Living In Utah As A Non-Mormon | What You Need To Know
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2022
- Are you wondering what it's like living in Utah as a non-mormon? If you're not familiar with mormon culture, then this is the video for you!
I do make a few disclaimers about this video...
This video is not meant to offend anybody, or give the wrong impression about what it is like to live in Utah as a non-mormon.
This video is based on facts about the mormon church instead of opinion. Most of my family is mormon and I was raised in the mormon church...in fact, I participated in church events, meetings and activities until my early 20's, so my perspective in this video is from my experience as a member for half my life.
This video is not meant to steer anybody towards or away from Utah because of the mormon religion. As a real estate agent, I have to be extra careful to not be biased in situations like this. This video is in no way meant to be offensive or steer anybody in any direction! It is only informational and educational.
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Just a teeny tiny correction - Jewish sabbath begins at sundown on Friday nights and ends at sundown on Saturday, the largest service is held on Saturday - not Sunday.
shalom...
Gut shabbos.
Yah tiny schminey. A person who does not even understand basic Judaism should Totally Not discuss it. So get with it person! Any lukewarm Christian knows more about Judaism than you do.
some reformed Jewish synagogues have Sunday services.
I'm not Mormon but I have to say.....living in a Mormon town is the safest I've ever felt..yeah it can feel like your an outcast sometimes but I cannot tell you relaxing it feels to live among upstanding citizens. Worth trading in pubs for
I grew up in a Mormon city. It’s just like you say. It was a safe, pleasant city.
Even if you are a member you might feel like an outcast.
As a non-Mormon adult, you can adjust. But as a child I can imagine it’s very difficult, at an age when they want to connect and feel accepted.
Safe or not, if you’re feeling unwelcomed, who would want to live there?
@@sharongillesp Depends...some prefer solitude to big city life. It's nice here if you have the necessary resources.
35+ years ago I was going to move to Mormon country for a job. The advice I was given was this: Always take two Mormons with you when you go fishing. Because if you only take one, he'll drink all your beer.
🤣 I think it's true!
Well, maybe we're thirsty.
Lol! OK that was funny.
I heard this joke with Baptists instead of Mormons.
LSD IS A TRIP. LDS IS A MISSION.
This was fascinating, thank you so much for sharing! Love Utah, a beautiful state!
Thank you! We are so glad you enjoyed it and took the time to comment :)
I worked on a land survey crew in Wyoming back in the late 70's. We had a couple of Mormons on the crew, one that would try to preach his religion to us non-Mormons. My boss would tell them, "Dont preach to me, and I wont spill my beer on you". That solved it..hah. For the most part, the people in the small town community were great to deal with.
You must not have lived in a small town. Grew up in Utah, non-Mormon, living in a small community. They are very nice to you if they think they can convert you.
My cousins, born and raised in Utah, lived in Liberty Utah and still live in Liberty. Its not even a city. Its a beautiful area. Its a mix of LDS people and transplants from California and other states. It was also where the Winter d
It was also where they held down hill in the Olympics!!! Do you want to how stupid and ignorant non LDS people are about LDS??
A Family came into the the tourist office and they asked a question that only a really stupid and ignorant non LDS people are about us. They came in and with all sincerity asked, "Could you tell us where we could go to see a real Mormon family with their horses and wagons and everything. This family sincerely believed we were still running around in wagons being pulled by oxen or horses. Really?????? Geeze!!!
Well said, that's how they were when my family moved us out from California back in the 90s. Everyone was happy and nice to us for about 2 weeks until they found out we weren't going to church and then their kids were told not to play with us and we were basically shunned
I am not Mormon, but I admire their prepping! Disasters are real; they happen all the time! When disaster hits my area, I hope to take care of myself and a couple of friends.
Great video thanks for sharing all this information.
Hi! Thank you for this great video.
We are moving to Salt Lake City, UT or close to there, what will be the best area for schools? We have 3 kids - high school, middle school and elementary school.
It is difficult growing up as a non-mormon in Utah. My uncle transferred to Utah in.a government job and my cousins struggled in school because they weren't mormon. They were not included by the mormon kids and even treated differently by a few of their teachers.
Imagine non white non Mormon. Odds are stacked against them.
Grew up in Ogden in the 60’s, try being Hispanic catholic minority in the schools then!, it was rough, my father was escorted out of bountiful by the police once when he got pulled over and told his kind wasn’t welcomed here, Utah has come a long way and has changed plenty but the underlying discrimination is still alive and well, that demon will not be rehabilitated
@@gina2464 we need more black people in utah. Keep the white folks in check if they get out of line
@@jimmyjames5006 hahaha yup
Try bring African American Non Mormon around them some time. Though, Hispanics know full well, as was brought out in the case involving LDS preferential treatment int he FBI. If was that case, when a Hispanic was the target of harassment by his LDS superiors because of nothing more than his race, were the term "Mormon Mafia" in describing the FBI came from. Also, a bit of trivia, an LDS was the only FBI Agent to be convicted of being a "double agent"
Back when I was a kid, I was playing basketball with some friends at the local park. A couple of missionaries come walking up asking of we wanted to hear them talk, of course we didn't, we were kids from the street! But then he challenged us to a basketball game, first to 21. If they won, we had to listen to them. We thought it would be easy. I now know something about a John Smith or some guy finding tablets in the woods or something.
Pure 19th century fiction, there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon or any tenants of faith to date.
Lol. Yeah from guy supposedly found gold tablets that no one else were able to see and he made up a book how about people from Israel who migrated to America and the Book of Mormon claims that this is how the Native Americans came to be😂. It's so funny because there's a lot of educated Mormons out there but they're not educated enough to know that the book is completely bullshit and has no truth to it. I like to say extraordinary claims, need extraordinary evidence. And it just doesn't have that
you answered everything I wanted to know about Utah, thank you so much !!!
Awesome! Go glad the video was beneficial for you!
The Mormonism is why my wife and I left. It’s still a bubble. And it pervades a lot of life - law culture politics and business. I never fit in. Didn’t care to stay. Paying the high taxes. Yuppie culture.
I come from a upper-middle class family. A family that works hard and chooses never to conform. My family is well educated and we’ve lived all over the world.
Utah is the worst place I have ever lived. I had high hopes and expectations but good riddance.
I’ll get my chemical engineering degree and leave the US. And AFTER I lock down the salary and job is WHEN my wife and I will have kids.
Not gonna have the state subsidize my family and children.
I will provide for them.
Thank you.
@@Starfish2145 oh and trust me:
My parents will be next. Even in retirement they make close to $200k.
While working they paid $30k in state taxes.
Soon enough the state of utah won't have them to subsidize your mormon children.
Mormons might have to practice contraceptive or wait even more well into marriage.
and how are you doing now, have you moved to a 3rd world country?
@@honeybadger3643 No. Not yet. But I’m more aware than ever before. I’m sure the meaning of my words will whisk right over your head however.
Let me make myself clear: you don’t have to be appear to be the identity of what you want. But you do in Utah.
@@gottisttott6350 thanks
Thank-you for the the explanation
I'm dying over that lovely sweater, where did you get it?
What's it like now to go out and about? I remember the one time I was in SLC they had some very different laws. It was even weird just to get a drink at the hotel I was staying at.
Things have changed A LOT (we'll have more videos soon). You can drink in bars and restaurants and a lot more attractions, entertainment, shopping, etc are open on Sundays nowadays.
If you want a cocktail at 10:00 am you can go to Mixed Emotions on State St. Dive bar thats been around since at least the early 70s. When you walk in, you won't know whether it's day or night. If I remember correctly the bartender is Keith.
You can't buy beer at a gas station in Maryland. It really isn't that weird to have strict laws around alcohol.
I am a member and I live in Utah and I think you did a great job explaining some of our little idiosyncrasies. Lol
Not every member is nice, but I would say most are. I think if you come here without any preconceived negative expectations you will like it.
I would say that if you want to be neighborly with your neighbors, it might feel like it takes a little extra effort because, since all the members attend church together, they have an automatic “bond” or relationship. So, if you see them getting together and they don’t invite you, it is most likely nothing personal they just know each other. If they are doing something you are interested in, speak up and let them know you would like to join.
We are often accused of being pushy with our religion. We don’t want to be seen that way, so we might be hesitant to invite. If you are interested, ask.
If you don’t understand some words we use, ask. If you want to know what the people around you believe, just ask. We are happy to answer questions.
Some people are stuffy, but I think that, as a whole, we are getting better about being more inclusive of those who think or believe differently than we do. (Even amongst the members, people think differently. Lol)
Lived in UT ( Orem) 10 yrs as a nonmormon . Never been a mormon Never will be a mormon . Lots of mormon friends . Very friendly . LOVE IT !
Agreed I was never Mormon. Never raise Mormon, but I grew up in Utah and I think it’s actually a fantastic environment to live in. I own three different businesses. It’s a great business environment with great schools and safe neighborhoods.
The young lady said our food supply is for end of times. She didn't state that the food supply is for any difficulty that might arise....job loss, sickness, hurricanes, floods etc
How prominent is the FLDS in the larger cities? I do know they are prominent in the smaller, border towns.
Not prominent really anywhere just small clusters that are dissolving as warren Jeff's is in jail. Flds in 10 years will be no more
Miniscule.
There's one tiny town in south utah, their leader in in prison, and I've lived in utah 18 years almost and seen them once.
The FLDS has a number of compounds in North America. The most prominent one is Colorado city where Warren Jeffs ruled. He’s the creepy dude who raped and married children. He’s spending the rest of his life behind bars but they still worship him. Then there’s the Black family up in Canada. A lot of girls and women have escaped from that cult too. There are also a couple of branches in Mexico and of course the one in Texas where half the town of Colorado city went went when the Feds cracked down on Warren Jeffs. Read the book “under the banner of heaven” by Jon Krakauer.
Good video. Thank you so much. 😊 I knew some of these things, but not all of it. I love Utah. Beautiful state.
Well I live in California and it’s not working. I need to go someplace where I can afford to get a place to live and get a job. So do you know anything about that?
why not stay and fix the problems
I’ve been trying for TWELVE YEARS. I think it’s time to try something else…
Tired of the church of Nancy?
Who is Nancy?
Try Vegas we now have a labor shortage
Moved out here a year ago from the south East and absolutely love it! Never had any problem with any Mormons at all.
How's Provo got a job offer from New England and biracial may move do to better pay plus rent here is to high but in Provo it seems cheap
Thank you for the video! I have a question: you mentioned that Mormons are quite traditional. Would a woman working in a usually male-dominated industry witness some kind of discrimination in Utah? I hope this question isn't harsh, I would appreciate hearing some thoughts
Thanks for sharing....very interesting... What version of the Bible is used by Mormons?
The King James version. :)
Great video! Thanks!
Glad you like it!
That food storage would be coming in handy right now.
Nice to see and hear what's life looks like in this part of US. Thanks for video. Best wishes from Serbia/Europe.
Thank you for watching on the other side of the world!
@@lifeinutah It's nice to notice the small and big differences between our sides of the world. There are also some similarities. Тhanks for reply.
What about moving during winter months?
Would a non Mormon realtor have a lot of business in Utah? Is it true the LDS community stick with their own Realtors? Thinking of moving my license there.
We have been very successful selling real estate in Utah as non-mormons. I think that the LDS community, like any community, looks for opportunities to work with fellow members of their community, but that doesn't exclude others who offer a valuable service.
What does “white and delightsome” and “ dark and loathsome” mean ?
The status of your spirit.
It refers to ones heart/ spirit.. you either have good intentions or evil intentions towards God ..Jesus ..and others. Sadly it’s been wrongly represented my non believers and the mis informed to represent skin color...which is so sad for anyone to believe that! We are ALL Gods children no matter what race we are ....He loves each of us the same...including the fact that we are all sinners. Hope that helps clarify the phrases you referenced 😊
My Japanese-American wife was bullied and called the N word all her school life and then my new son called the same and bullied 40 years later in a different part of Utah. The bullying child was the son of a bishop. And how many times have i been called ignorant while living in Utah. it is a pitiful society.
I have also gone through being called the N-word here definitely more than anywhere I’ve ever lived but he just kinda realize that people have issues and move forward but I’m sorry wife went through that
I have lived in Utah for almost 40 years. I went through High school here and have teenagers. Never ever heard the N word being used. I think you’re lying.
@@DRT279 you must be white. I'm from Jersey and minority. These white boys so called Mormons are f#$king nasty
why would they call your woman from an asian country the 'N" word? how puzzling? isnt she not the thing they called her? sounds like the bully was confused about recipient of the connotation?
Where was this? So sorry to hear that happened to your wife and son.
I moved to Utah twelve years ago from Michigan. This place is awesome! I'm Catholic, my husband and In-laws are Mormon, some of my friends are Mormon, but most are more Jack Mormon or just cultural Mormons, and to be honest, it's been a very accepting place. I also love that my husband is all about food storage because when the pandemic hit, we were all set. I'm not the dominant race or religion here, but moving to Utah is one of the best thing I've done in my life.
Just curious why didn't you convert to Mormonism, And how is it being married to someone who's faith completely contradict yours
As long as ppl aren't dems then it's cool. I'm a formal CA but it feels like I'm the only one who learn not to vote for the same leaders that made me moved in the first place.
Sorry to bring that up but it's a issue unfortunately.
Salt Lake is 💯💯💯 Dem.... The last Salt Lake Republican Mayor was back in the 80's.. Look it up
@@DavidJackson-fs8bp yep! 100% correct
I plan to move to Colorado for a year or so, but I want to consider buying my house in Utah. I currently live in Michigan.😊
i'd like to live around St. George since the winters are milder and its close to a lot of National Parks that i like
St. George is beautiful!
Summers are VERY HOT around St George. But yes, close to Zion and Bryce is nice.
@@thomasmaughan4798 and North Rim of Grand Canyon
Why nobody speaks about polygamist program what they live in and teach about which is a painfull and sinfull act?
What's that cathedral in the cover photo of curious about that
That's the SLC Temple
I grew up in Idaho and while it is not Utah it is very heavily Mormon influenced. Yes the members of the Church can be standoffish to non members, but it is no different than other religions that I have encountered. They have for the most part treated me well. BTW, I am married to a Active Mormon girl for 40 years now. Just to be fair I had far more issues with the LDS members in California and Oregon than I have ever had in Idaho or Utah. Just my 2 cents.
I live in Idaho....
So from what I understood you are not Mormon right? If so what is it like to live with a Mormon wife? do they treat you differently or is it difficult?
@@shenomiya6194 no I am not LDS. I was for about 18 months but left the church. I had them wipe my records as well. That was over 20 years ago. We have our moments but so does every married couple.
The members in Ca treated me ok for the most part. It was the holier than thought one that treated me likecrap
@@DelRBowlby how unfortunate that some have treated you bad, so sorry :( I was in love with a boy who was a missionary I was even in the church but I couldn't lie to myself since I'm not a Mormon so I left the church, I came to the conclusion that it would not be possible a relationship or much less a marriage between two people with different religions so that's why I asked you, btw thanks for answering:)
How is life for an Engineer in Utah?
Utah has a booming construction market right now. Finding that kind of work there would be easy.
If you like hiking its great. If you like beer then not so much.
Like Spencer said, Utah is booming and outside of our housing prices, our cost of living is below the national number, plus we have a beautiful state!
If you like to drink, there's several bars, pubs, wineries, distilleries, nightclubs, and a lot of restaurants serve alcohol. There are are state liquor stores, they close on Sunday, so stock up. One caveat, legal BAC limit is .05%, so one beer can land you in hot water.
I was never Mormon. Never raise Mormon, but I grew up in Utah and I think it’s actually a fantastic environment to live in. I own three different businesses. It’s a great business environment with great schools and safe neighborhoods.
Well said! We agree with you and find that a lot of people feel the same way. Thank you for watching and commenting and congratulation on your success!
I lived next to a 90 year old lady I’m Southern Utah She was still shoveling coal from her basement to keep herself warm in the winter. She told me that when she was a member of the Mormon church and they would come over and shovel her coal, and take her to medical appointments and bring her food. She decided that Mormonism wasn’t for her so she quit the church. All of the help stopped. They are hypocrites. Totally insular. They will take care of their own but screw the rest of society
That’s no surprise. It’s very much a religion of either being in the club or out. There isn’t much in between. They take very good care of those who are in, and if your out, well, your out. I have had a lot of Mormon friends and I’ve investigated the church but it’s not for me. As a high earner with no kids and no plan for kids, I feel like I’m just a potential funding source and after paying out about 40% of my income in taxes I feel like I’ve paid my dues to society already.
In Haiti the LDS church turned away non-members for food and shelter.
Also, their is no real charity in the church. If you get help you have to attend meetings, tithe not just 10 % of your income, but the cash equivalent of 10% of food stamps or other benefits
@@mylesgray3470 _"Potential funding source"_ Mormons pay for the church? How much, monthly/yearly? What happens if you dont pay?
@@JohnTronto Well your supposed to pay 10% of your income. I don’t know exactly what happens if you don’t pay up but I know you are limited in what activities you can partake and there is some social pressure to pay up. 10% is more than most people save for retirement. Seems like a lot.
@@mylesgray3470 Thanks God I'm a Muslims! :) We dont pay for the mosque. We do have to give the yearly zakat - 2.5% off our savings that arent use towards living & any expenses but we give them out directly to people/causes we choose, no mosque no one come collecting it. And we dont have membership to mosque. While we do have our regular mosques, ones close to our places, we are free to pray & attend activities in any mosques. Sure we can choose to give the sadaqah (voluntary charity) for the mosque or their programs but no specified numbers, it would be totally up to us to give some or not.
Good stuff, one thing to add, many members say one thing but do another. I think many drink coffee without admitting it. I do love the store rooms in houses here and when we built out of state, I put one in my home. FYI they are not as honest in dealings especially business, don’t get fooled! Good video!
No where in the *Bible* does *The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit* says that one cannot drink *coffee* so who made that rule?
Also *Jesus* himself drank *Wine* and *Wine* was shared with his disciples at the last supper.
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
John 6:54-55
[Jesus said,] “He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.”
@Wynter Rose, It does say in the bible that addiction is bad and in the lds faith coffee is seen as one of them.
@@spencerallison3196 I expect the coffee abstinence to eventually fade out, coffee is found to have health benefits and the early members were just throwing ideas around when it was originally banned, it’s origins are rapidly becoming outdated, they may not be out right and say ok drink your coffee, but they may just stop asking about it specifically
@@Jaisee14 wrong place for your comment, hun. It is their belief, and if you did in fact understand their religion you would know WHY they abstain from certain things. If you want to explore the WHY, go onto a LDS website. Just saying...not the place for you to get all Biblical.
@LC it could go the other way too as caffeine causes negative effects (including dependence) to your brain. I personally don't care if someone drinks coffee, I don't like coffee because it tastes nasty but I do see certain appeal. There's just some better alternative though.
The big mistake in Utah is Mitt Romney.
No, he has more backbone and is more loyal to the US than the typical neo-fascist.
Only redeeming quality
I think of Mitt Romney as a traitor to the USA.
@@tigeroll really, when he stood against the traitor attacking democracy?
Interesting opinion.
@@brandoncrusen9160 You mean pudding brain Biden? Yes he is selling is all to China. How's that working for you?
My Aunt was a member. She had a ton of canned goods for food storage. It expired and 99%of it had to be thrown out.
Your aunt's just an idiot then. You're suppost to circulate through your storage. It's like that with literally every restaurant people just don't get it on a personal note.
Hence the counsel to actually rotate and use what you store! Too bad it wasn’t used! Ugh!
I worked at coldstone and we had a very strict policy of first thing in first thing out and if something went bad it had to be thrown out asap. And management would find out who was responsible, don't waste food, use it.
Jeez, I can think of several reasons why food storage is important: pandemics (remember the shelves being bare two years ago) tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, unemployment, economic downturns, floods, droughts, baby formula shortages, food factories burning, rioting and looting, etc. Seems like we’ve been through it all, and I’ll just bet everyone will know where to go for help. Sounds like a great idea and well thought out plan. Maybe DOOMSDAY has arrived.
Yes they waste thousands of pounds of food for no reason at all go looking at dumpster
@@byronleatham1183 EVERYONE EVERYWHERE wastes thousands of pounds of food.
I am not a Mormon and I believe in food storage especially nowadays with the way our economy is going. We all should think about having a food storage.
Okay, so my family migrated with the Utah Pioneers. They came from England and Sweden. They said it was for the church but my belief is that they came for the land. I moved away at a young age because I broke away from the church after my bishop came on to me. So when I moved back from Arizona 25 years later, all of the houses I looked at were huge! No Ranch Style houses to be found. Also, there was generally a picture of Joseph Smith or the current leader of the church in every home. I was not impressed. Those of us who were "Jack" Mormons or those of us who do not believe their doctrine at all, find this a bit insulting. Having been born here and groomed to be a Mormon, I understand all of this weird behavior but I don't like it. I stick to myself and pray for my family members who are so brainwashed. Want to move to Utah? Prepare to be a second class citizen. (Sorry for my opinion)
You don't like the houses because they are huge and have pictures ? Did you set your filter to smaller homes? The pictures don't come with the house btw.
@@stacy6994 ,.....The 100% fake manmade antigod/antibible/antichrist cult of mormonism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible or the Bibles Christianity. It is a manmade fraud. Do not continue to be deceived by this ungodly cult.
You find it “insulting” to find certain pictures in their HOME? Good hell, what kind of a person cares what’s in someone’s HOME?
Definitely a second class citizen and be left out!!
Not sure about the melting pot comment…
Try getting a contractor here if you aren't in the "book". The mormons around our place wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
Can I live on an average income for a family of four?
We moved here almost two years ago from the Midwest. The people in my neighborhood are very nice, but nobody needs or has time for new friends (they have “built-in” friends in their ward). This is the weirdest place in the USA. I met a Mormon lady in an airport (lives in the Midwest), and she said that LDS in Utah are weird and cliquey. 😊
My ancestors were Mormon pioneers who thankfully settled in Arizona. I'm a lifelong member of the church, and I refuse to live in Utah.
I grew up in West Valley City in the 80s. By the time I was twelve I was over the hypocrisy. There are good people. Unfortunately many use the church as a means to scam, abuse, etc. Just like any religion.
Yup. Moved here in 77 from Alabama( wasn’t brought up there) and real culture shock. I know two of my neighbors and though they’re nice enough to my face they’re not too friendly. When I was looking for a job they asked me what ward I was in(?) and did I smoke or drink coffee! I finally did get a job where co workers were nice to but always felt left out because I wasn’t Mormon. Our daughter had a hard time in school, told her she’d go to hell but luckily made a good non Mormon friend. It was and still is culture shock. I’m Catholic and we are a minority here. In Alabama many are Baptist but very friendly and no one asked what religion I was and didn’t care. BTW they don’t drink either but don’t shun someone who does. It’s changed for the better but the least friendly place we’ve ever lived in.
@@rosemariekury9186 The Avenues and Marmalade district have been predominately Catholic since the late 1800's. Downtown is not nearly as "exclusive". Good luck to you.
This is why most Lds outside of Utah don't care for the Utahns. They live in a bubble and act holier than thou. My son actually served his mission in Utah. He is from Argentina and loves the church. After being there a year he was over Utah being a special place. The people don't value what they have because they have never seen what it's like without it. Outside Utah is much better to get to know the Church. I would even venture to say Utahns don't have a clue what it's like to be a member of the church.
So awesome. If I were looking to buy in UT, I’d call YOU. 🇺🇸❤️
My cousins who live in Utah are Mormon and I find them to be passive aggressive in their communication style. It's like they're so hyper obsessed about being "nice and a good person" that they don't understand how to set boundaries correctly. For example, one of my cousins who is active always breaks her promises because she doesn't want to disappoint, but in the process that makes whoever she's making the promise to really dislike her. I find that fake, and for awhile I really didn't understand why she was that way until I realized it was because she grew up in such a toxic Mormon culture where everyone tries to act "godly" but we're really all just imperfect humans! So be careful about meeting Mormons who at the surface seem super nice. They will disappoint you.
That is typical of the vast majority of Mormons. This is also apparent in legal records as most discrimination cases for other faiths, lie Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.. involves how those people were wronged. In the vast, vast,vast,vast majority of Legal cases involving Mormons is them being the perps, (usually giving preferential treatment to Mormons and/or discriminating against people from other churches, or darker races). Such as the cases in the FBI, university of Phoenix, City of Tempe, etc..
I grew up in a Mormon family in Utah. You just nailed some of my family dynamics.
(There are layers and layers of dysfunction in Mormonism.
You will find that your cousin is one person among many people who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ. We are all different. The fact that one person among our faith struggles to keep her word does not mean that we all do. Just like you would any group of people, it is best not to say we all are one way or another. For sure there are tendencies. Please let us be individuals and get to know us.
@@canyonscott Kind of, but you see behaviors of people in destructive cults that more common than not. This is easy to illustrate, when you ask if Joseph Smith married a little 14 year old child Most Mormons will tell you no even though they know its true. Most LDS will think nothing of lying to your face for the church, it is one group behavior that true for MOST.
B Why.... I have cousins all over Utah. Their great people. I spent my summers with my cousins. None of them are stand offish or unfriendly. The problem is, there are so many lies, misunderstandings about us its sad. What's even sadder is they get their info from anti sites or from someone who thinks they know about us, but don't know anything at all. Its really sad.
I grew up in Utah, on Sundays some of the small towns everything would be closed. In my family all my cousins are brothers and sister even to this day. I moved from Utah in my late 20s.
I think this is great information for someone considering a move there.
A few other things about Mormons and Utah:
Gentiles are considered anyone who isn't a Mormon. They even refer to Jewish people as 'gentiles'.
They don't typically use swear words, so you will hear statements like, "oh my Heck!", and "Gosh-darnit!", and "Fudge" or "Fricking".
Not all Mormons are devout, and most cherry pick different church policies and quirks mentioned. When I was an active member, I watched R rated movies and listened to music that church leaders told us to avoid. I held a job where I had to work on Sunday twice per month. My best friend growing up swore like a sailor. Most have a few quirks that most will find weird, but are pretty normal people, otherwise. While most are pretty normal, some are pretty extreme. I have heard from some that were shunned by their peers for not being LDS. Some were let go by employers so that he could give their job to a returning missionary from his ward. I saw similar things in the South where I served my LDS mission, with some of the more fundamentalist evangelical Christians.
I would love to see more non-mormons move to Utah. Maybe we could finally get some people elected that aren't beholden to the LDS church.
I’m a non Mormon. Moved here 47 years ago and things were much worse. Talk about culture shock! I isn’t know they didn’t drink coffee or smoked. I greeted two Relief Ladies that visited me with a cigarette. Never visited again. I moved here from Alabama where there were a lot of Baptist’s but they were so friendly and didn’t care what religion you were.
I also know a lot of jack Mormons who drank coffee in our office and some who smoked. Nowadays it’s much better. Stores are open on Sundays and everyone seems to be more relaxed, or maybe I see that as I’m retired now. However, in some neighborhoods ( like mine) neighbors will be friendly but if you’re not Mormon that’s as far as it goes though there’s always some exceptions.
Generally though this is a family friendly state. Just be aware there are strict liquor laws AND if the 4th of July is a Sunday it will be celebrated on a Saturday! If you love the outdoors, this is “the place”. But if you’re looking for restaurants that stay open late on Saturdays forget that, and it’s not because of not enough help. All in all though I like living here, but sure don’t want the politics of California seeping into the state. Sorry, but you’ll be happier in Colorado, Oregon or Washington state.
@@marijaberisha5191 they used to. Some bishops may still ask those invasive questions, but the claim now is that the church stays out of what a husband and wife do in the bedroom as long as no one else is involved.
@@marijaberisha5191 the question that should be asked is why did the church show porn to gay LDS young men at BYU, (to try to change their sexuality), when the church teaches that porn is wrong?
4:42 - It's _a_ gospel, but not _the_ Gospel. Mormonism is a different gospel with a different Jesus and a different understanding of eternal life, which is actually a free gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9). We couldn't earn it if we tried because we're sinners (Romans 3), every…single…one of us.
I realize that by saying this, I am probably stepping on alot of toes, but please understand, that as a Bible believing Christian, I (as well as all Christians), are commanded, _by God,_ (Matthew 28) to preach the true Gospel that is found in only one book, the Holy Bible; God's inspired, inerrant, incorruptible word. As with God, the Bible is without error and without contradiction. You (whoever you are and wherever you are in this world) are my fellow human being. I love you and care about you and where you'll spend eternity. Your only two choices are heaven or hell, life or death. Please, _choose life!_
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Overall, this is a good representation of Utah culture. I do however, think that she glossed over the fact that teen dating in Utah can be difficult. While Mormon children may or may not include non Mormon or inactive Mormon children in their activities, that starts to change once they reach dating age. Many active Mormon teens are only allowed to date other active Mormons. This practice can vary by county and by neighborhood.
Yes, we agree. We'll dive into that more in future videos.
@@lifeinutah I'm deciding on whether to move to Utah from South Florida to reset my life. You think it would be too much of a culture shock? I am not Mormon.
I think the practice will vary from individual to individual not so much by geography.
@@jeffreyexposito3803 where are enough from? Depending on where Florida could be a bigger shock than Utah.
So Cynthia,
I gather you went around from county to county and with a survey in hand you went from door to door and took a survey to get your statistics?? Wow, you must have really been tired when you were finished!!! 😵💫😵💫
Well, I am not moving to Utah, but I visit there frequently. Beautiful state. The LDS religion doesn't bother me in the least, but this video, while somewhat entertaining, certainly is heavily biased towards the LDS church. But I can also see if you're selling real-estate, one may want to paint the church in a good light. FWIW.
I enjoy the "stay out of Utah" videos. It is getting a bit crowded, prices are high and water is scarce. Socially it can be unwelcoming depending on how a person approaches his neighbors. Many people place great stock in having many generations of Utanian ancestry. But then, this is similar to going to Boston and having the wrong accent and not being 100 percent pure New England AND a Democrat.
Is this a good State for homeless people?
Didn't understand what you said that sounded like "niche little sugar" at 8:45
We love Utah. We traveled Utah a few years ago and had a great time. We saw the Tabernacle Choir, The Mighty Five National Parks, drove the Moki Dugway and went to Four Corners
That's great! It really is a great place to visit and experience. Something for everyone :)
So then what does "soaking" mean?
hahah.
As a non mormon, I'm moving to Utah from Florida May 2024. Looking at the draper/sandy area. Thanks for the video
The east side is nice!!
I was baptized, Mormon, I treaded & felt like an outsider so I left and still to this very day I still get harassed into coming back! Sorry we live in the East Valley of the Phoenix area.
Growing up in Utah not Mormon, and gay, it’s been super different! My mom is from Georgia and my dad is from Los Angeles, so completely different places compared to here. Utah will always be my home, but when I was younger, they wouldn’t let me join Boy Scouts because we weren’t Mormon, and when I got into highschool, my counselor refused to put me into seminary when I asked because I needed a “bishop recommend”. In my defense, I thought it was solely just a theology class. Because of those reasons I always did have a different view on the church and their members, until I started dating my ex of my 4 years & his entire family were very big into the church. They were all so supportive and sweet to me.
Thank you for sharing! I can only image some of the challenges you experienced but love to hear that Utah is still home to you and that you experienced a supportive and sweet family!
But when Jesus comes back we will go with him to heaven why they’re storing food I didn’t get that part?
Just to be safe, what I don't understand is how so many people follow the religion just on Blind Faith. It's easy to do research and find out that nothing in the Book of Mormon actually happen. Someone once told me that extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. And I'm sorry but the Book of Mormon and all the research involved in trying to prove the story true just falls short
Very interesting.
Jack Mormon here. Thanks for sharing. Very polite
utah being “one of the biggest melting pots in the entire country” is an interesting statement
I've heard that if you are not Mormon in Utah that your son so Waze is not true? I have a couple of really good Mormon friends and they've never push their religion on me. I believe Mormons are very good people and they have really good morals but there's some things like the temple that I I don't quite understand. This is the first time I've seen one of your videos. Thank you for your explanation of the Mormon faith.
You seem like a smart, well spoken educated person.I hope lots of people like you are there
I was married to a Mormon it wasn't easy, the faith dominated her life and in addition every few months I had to tolerate having missionaries eat my food then spend the rest of the evening trying to indoctrinate me into their church. I had bypass surgery the members were convinced it was their prayers that got me through, and when I was fresh out of hospital (and very weak) they again tried to sign me up. When I eventually told my wife I couldn't be a Mormon, she left. The Mormon church is all about money, they want yours. The church operates like a franchise, if you live in this street you must go to this church, and if they change the franchise areas, you must go where you are told (say goodbye to your friends).
I'm sorry to hear about your experience - we have friends and family who have experienced the same thing. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and experience.
I am sorry you feel that way Bob. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not all about money. It takes nor asks for money from outsiders, never has, never will. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a totally independent Church. We pay tithing because we want to, not because we have to. It is the tithing the members give that builds the Church houses and Temples and other buildings we use. The first Sunday of every month is fast Sunday. We give what it would cost to feed our families for two meals or whatever we want to give. The amount is up to us. We also fast for those two meals. The money that comes from the members Is kept there and is used to help members in the ward with what they need, when they need help. The money or Fast Offerings is not kept in the Church houses. Its in the bank and drawn on when needed. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a huge welfare system that helps people all around the world. We have big thrift stores that everybody shops in Deseret Industries... I could keep going on and on but I won't. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not ask for donations from non members. As for the Missionaries wanting your money.... No they don't. There own families support them. If their family can't support them the ward does, via the Missionary Fund that comes from the fast offerings. You get the point??? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is totally independent. We don't ask for donations from non members. Never have and never will. 😌😌
@@Annie-ll2jp Well said.
As someone said, Jewish sabbath is Saturday, not Sunday and we go to services on Friday night/Saturday. But ALSO, only reform refer to place of worship as a temple and Conservative and Orthodox do not(for theological reasons I won’t get into) Orthodox and conservative Jews refer to it as synagogue, shul or beit Knesset.
I’m actually orthodox and I think that Mormon culture is super interesting because there are a lot of things that are very similar. I can’t think of everything but some things are Big families, sabbath is a big deal day of rest, also we kind of approach services and whatnot as private members only activities, not that we’re not welcoming but due to antisemitism and that Judaism is not a confessional faith but rather a tribal/ethnoreligion and we don’t encourage conversion so its not really an “all are welcome” type of thing. Plus services are all in Hebrew and extremely difficult to follow if you’re not experienced so it’s not something an outsider would likely get much out of anyway.
My husband worked awith some Mormons at one point and said they were the nicest most genuine people!!
I don't know why I watched this video. I live in Utah and I moved here many years ago. My viewpoint is a little different than a real estate person who is essentially a non-practicing Mormon.
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In the world of religions, the LDS/Mormon religion doesn't register - unless you are in Utah or a few Western states. There are over 1 billion Catholics and there are about 16 million Mormons. If you watch the video you will see many other large religions.
In Utah there are "members" and "non-members". Guess which one most of the people in the world are? If you are thinking about moving to Utah, make sure you have an open mind and choose the location you will live carefully. Some areas are worse than others. The more urban areas have a much more diverse population. If you move to a rural area you are likely to have 95% Mormons.
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints in Philippines before we become a member my parents always fight together because my father always go home late and drunk and no food to feed us and there is a time were my family almost broke up I am glad that missionary came in our life and preach my family of the gospel of Jesus Christ and converted in the church since 2011 and now we are continue growing and prosper in this life full of challenge our relations with God and my family become stronger. I'm happy that I became a member of this church and we received lot blessings (sorry for the bad English)
Thank you for sharing! We are so glad that the church has had such a positive impact on your life!
The Salt Lake Valley is fairly diverse, but if you live in small towns in Utah I guarantee you it is still a theocracy. Lived in one for five years
Small towns everywhere in the West. Not just Utah....🙄🙄🙄
Except the Salt Lake Valley can be a little too progressive, aka covid mandates and BLM riots.
Said to me in church in Pennsylvania upon hearing I was moving to Utah, ‘oh, no! It’s awful. It would be great if it weren’t for the Mormons. I’m a life long Mormon at a Mormon church. I’ve lived here for 13 years and don’t have one single friend. I’ve been told to my face that , ‘I don’t need another friend’. I was asking the title of a book she referenced. I went to a baby shower for a woman and 2 weeks later she had no idea who I was or that I had sat one person away from her. A guy up the street was my ‘bishop’ AND my dentist. As he was walking by my house I said hi. He didn’t recognize me. This woman is a prime example. Her life is going great and she has no idea what she’s talking about. Ask her why ‘Mormons’ don’t let their kids play at a non member’s house. She’ll stammer and claim they do. They don’t
To Debby Lou - Wow, wow, wow. There's a lot that you are not self-aware about. 😳 Amazing. A NEW chapter in Life to reach happiness & self-responsibility would be awesome. It's attainable & your birthright IF YOU CHOOSE. The Holy Spirit & a good Counselor/Therapist is the key for many people. Wishing you an incredible journey ahead. 💗🙏
@@kjnightbird121 and you’re giving me advice?! I’ve lived in 3 places in Washington, 2 in Oregon, 2 in Montana, several in Idaho, Connecticut, upstate NY, Atlanta Georgia, Toronto, Ottawa, 2 different places in Pennsylvania, Illinois, and 2 places in Utah. I’m very self aware and have extensive experience in moving and making friends. Before I lived here I had several CLOSE friends…..I’d only lived there 10 months. This place is horrible. I’ve never experienced anything like it. My sister got a job here, several of her work colleagues moved here as well. 2 of her colleagues had been out of work for several months and were very excited. They all left after around 7 months. The place was just too weird. I’m not sure I understand your message. I will tell you, it sounds like you’re a Mormon. Only Mormons can deliver a message about someone else being the problem this awkward. We all must be suffering from a lack of ‘self awareness’ and lack of spiritual understanding as OUR fault. No it’s Utah. My relatives live around Idaho Falls and they’re even worse, if you can imagine. They’ve told my entire family that we were less valued by god and that’s why we lived where there weren’t many mormons
@@debbylou5729 Bless your heart! You will never need to prove yourself to me or anyone else when it truly comes down to your own happiness & self-worth. THAT'S HOW POWERFUL each & every one of us are. You also have the POWER to filter every thing & every one through the eyes of the Holy Spirit. And THAT changes EVERYTHING. I am a non denomination Christian; if that helps you to put me in a box. I am also an "Eagle." Meaning: I tend to see things from above & more broadly. It does not make me superior. Only different. I like your firey energy. It can be directed to do great things.
@@kjnightbird121 don’t put your labels on be and don’t think you know anything about me. Having met as many people as I have there aren’t enough boxes.
@@debbylou5729 Only God knows us perfectly. Stay EMPOWERED. Thankfully, He is our Rock & our Home that we take where ever we go & who ever we meet. Truly an inner-experience that is uniquely our own. I still love your firey spirit.
As a Gentile who lived in Utah for a time, I tell people who want to move there that the culture will feel like you are in another country where they use the same currency and speak English. Free thinking is not encouraged in Mormonism, for example, most people do not have bumper stickers on their cars...just stick people. Minivans are the state vehicle and are otherwise known as MAVs, Mormon assault vehicle. I won't repeat the name of the 13 passenger vans.
really want to know what you call the passenger vans
That is hysterical! good for you!
This might not be the name you're thinking of but we call the 12-15 passenger vans 'plyg rigs'. 🤣
@@theancientonetmnt1493 Yes, PWs. Plg wagons
@@marinhusky8863 yes I've heard that one do haha
I live in Tennessee and we have many mormons here. My only bad interaction occured about 15 years ago when a mother n daughter gave me some religious tracts outside of a grocery store. They were very nice until i accidentally called their temple a "church", and when i did their attitude did a 360. It was clear they felt i insulted their holy place but i didnt do it on purpose n certainly didnt intend to be disrespectful in any way. It was one of those weird events ill never forget, because although im not the least bit religious i DO respect other ppls beliefs n enjoy learning about others faiths.
I am really sorry that happened to you. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I feel like that is rude of them to do that to you.
I am glad you like learning about other faiths. I feel like when I learn about other religions it helps strengthen my own faith I have. :)
Friendly neighborhood member here! This person did a great job with the culture. I will say that when it comes to family my wife and I are 100% equal partners, including in finances. Doctrinally it’s crucial that families are places of love, safety, and equity. If one partner feels somehow beholden or inferior to the other in any aspect that is not what we preach. We are a team, and try our best to support each other in every way we can.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
I find it curious that people can only be supportive and caring only under the umbrella of a religion … that seems sad and suffocating to me.
Everything you're saying that the LDS does regularly and on Sunday and everything you're saying that they don't do, are actually things that are very good, especially to raise children amongst... these are attributes, these are things we should look up to, not put down. If they are so nice, great!
We agree with you - the values that the Church teaches are strong values that many parents in Utah (ourselves included) try to instill in their children, whether they go to church or not. Thank you for commenting!
I'm not Mormon myself but I live in an area with only a small mormon community and I've been raised in the church and it's really interesting watching and comparing american mormon-dominated utah to australian not very mormon small town
It is not bad in the large cities of Utah for non Mormons. Were you have to be careful is places like rural areas with nothing but a Mormon church between a highschool and elementary school. Don't subject yourself to places like Mudlake or Terreton Idaho for example. There are pockets of dead areas that have weird stronghold of Mormon "odd behaviors" The population is all 95 percent Mormons. Nothing to do but things revolving around the Mormon Church. They also intermingle within the school. That is where you have to be careful not to end up in small rural isolated areas like there.
I'm Swiss and here in Zurich there's so many mormon missionaries. They're perfect citizens - no any drugs, even caffeine/nicotine/alcohol, big families, conservative values, no crime of course. But as actual missionaries they're a big problem id say. They just put the book of mormon to my mailbox without my consent, and now write me all the time asking for a meeting. I've read a lot about mormon faith, and not even as Calvinist, but just a Christian in general, I have too many questions to it
It would be good to alert persons of Indian or Middle-Eastern descent, who move to Utah with their families, to not move to into strong LDS neighborhoods. There is a possibility that their children and spouses might be "shunned" in the neighborhood....leading to the decision to pack up and leave Utah after about six months.
Trilobites, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is already in the middle east. A Temple is being built in in the SAE (The Saudi Arabia Emirates) and in Bengaluru India. What you said was a terrible thing to say. They will not be shunned or shamed. You Trilobites, its people like you who cause the most problems. Yes, they may run into members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who act that way and they should be ashamed of themselves if they do. But do NOT put the whole church in the same boat, because those that act like that are few. Trilobites, go crawl back under whatever rock you climbed out from under and don't come back!!! 😡
We are not “Mormons”. We do not worship Mormon. That was a Nick name given to us (unwillingly) by the angry mobs who hunted, harassed, and massacred the early Pioneers.
We worship Jesus Christ. We are called by His name! We are of His Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Lastly, why do so many people think Ill of us? Why? What is your reasoning? It’s so unfortunate! The true members of The Church of Jesus Christ are among the best this world has to offer. I say that humbly. We do not want to fight, we do not judge, we do not hate. We only love and want the best for our “neighbors”. Do not take bad experiences with PEOPLE and blame the entire Church! The people who happen to be members who have wronged you or made you feel uncomfortable need to repent! The Lords teachings do not teach us to judge, or hate, or exclude etc… If you would give everyone a fair chance then you would see that we, Disciples of Jesus Christ, are not as scary as everyone assumes. It’s unfortunate, this world is just so confused and misplaced.
Thanks.
We did say "Mormon" is a nickname, just like you said.
That food storage ain't looking bad right about now, TP baby formula and who knows what's next.
If you like eating canned food regularly, then yes.
I could write a book about being the most none Mormon, Mormon you’ll ever meet. Born and raised in bountiful, the most beautiful place to grow up as a child-teenager
Sounds like a cult to me.
It is.
8:05 I would say I know more women in the church who work, many who have professional careers, than who don't. Those who dont "work" almost always have some kind of side-gig that they are doing at home to contribute to the family income.
I had two elders come to my house and they basically said to me if I was not a Mormon I wouldn’t inherit the kingdom of heaven. I couldn’t believe they said that. Very surprised. I was Mormon up to 15yrs old. Quit when God took my father when I was 15. Around the age of 47 God opened my heart again. I have seen miracles. Not as a Mormon but as a Christian. When I play my drums for Jesus the Holy Sprit fills me up. There is power in the name of Jesus. Don’t have to be a Mormon to know where I’m going. I will say that Mormons are very nice.
Gosh I hope those Elders don't really believe that! We've had some odd Sister missionaries at times. I guess everyone has different ideas. My daughter also blames God for taking her Dad. (we are LDS) She was 8. I really hope it doesn't take her 32 years to open her heart again! It's heartbreaking to see that kind of pain. I'm so glad you are whole again. Peace be with you.
Christianity is a cult. Mormonism is just one of the more irrational sects.
Live close to SLC and you'll be fine, it's only 30% Mo in the city and you barely notice them. The further out you get from the city the higher the % goes. I've lived in SLC proper for 20yrs and have never had a morman neighbor.
"and have never had a morman neighbor."
And after 20 years still cannot spell "Mormon" ;-)
Brother and Sister greeting is common in most Christian churches as well
Pentecostal
They do drink alcohol. Lots of it. They simply go to Mesquite, NV or Wendover, NV on the weekends 😉. Weird, true experience: visiting SLC, driving south in State St at midnight, right lane stopped moving, so I got over to the left. Seven block backup to make the turn into the drive-up of the open til 2 am liquor store😎
Yes, seems like 90% of the cars in the parking lot in Wendover casinos (90 miles west of Salt Lake) are from Utah.
If you make it past 5 years you'll probably stay for a loooong time. We bailed at 4 1/2.. it was just too much
Thank you for your video Sister Barber :) Yes, in Utah there is something for everyone! If people come here with attitudes and energy like yours they will fit in just fine and come to call this place home. May Heavenly Father continue to bring you happiness and prosperity!
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High Priest in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Four walls does not make a church. Just saying so is what ?
I just want to tell you that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not a male dominant church. That is a misconception. And your opinion. I think you should retract that statement. The Church put out a “Family Proclamation to the World” in 1995 that explains the church’s views on the family. Also, women play a vital & very important role in the Church. I don’t mean to be critical of you post. It is very well done one everything else.
The dirty little secret in the Mormon church is that women are in fact the real strength of the church. I applaud it. My mother was a woman and instilled correct values on me.
I'd have to say that the most egregious lie I can remember anyone telling me as a teenager came from the mother of one of my schoolmates, whose family had joined the Mormon church a few years earlier. She told me with a straight face that nobody in the church was particularly enthusiastic about the church's racist policy, and they were all so happy when god changed his mind and told their prophet that blacks could join now!
At 15, I was already pretty good at reading people, and it was obvious that 1) she didn't believe it herself, and 2) she didn't respect me enough to discuss the subject seriously. I wrote her off.
NSResponder....They could become members of the church if they wanted to. It had to do with holding the Priesthood.
@@lq6424 It had nothing to do with their becoming members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If they wanted to join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints they were free to do so. It had to do with the Priesthood. Good night.
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent..." (Numbers 23:19) God doesn't change his mind, but the LDS church hierarchy decided to admit blacks to the priesthood to escape the heat and bad publicity they were receiving back in the 1970's. From 1849 to 1978, both black men and women of African descent at various times were prohibited from taking part in ceremonies in LDS temples, serving in certain leadership church callings, attending priesthood meetings, and speaking at firesides. Spouses of black people of African descent were also prohibited from entering the temple. Over time, the restriction was relaxed so that dark-skinned people of non-African descent could attend priesthood meetings and people with a "questionable lineage" were given the priesthood, such as Fijians, Indigenous Australians, Egyptians, as well as Brazilians and South Africans with an unknown heritage who did not appear to have any black heritage. In 1978, LDS Church president Spencer W. Kimball supposedly received a "revelation" from God to reverse church policy regarding blacks and the Mormon priesthood. Coincidence? I think not, because I remember clearly how much negative press and public outcry was going on at that time. Both Joseph Smith, Jr. and Brigham Young, who claimed to be true prophets of God, clearly taught that blacks were excluded from the priesthood. Concerning the LDS priesthood, Young said that “any man having one drop of the seed of Cain (i.e., black blood) in him cannot hold the priesthood, and if no other Prophet ever spake it before, I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ.” Sounds pretty authoritative, no? Mormonism has a history of changing their policies after they determine which way the wind is blowing. Total hypocrites.
@@fumble_brewski5410Мормонизм - это псевдорелигия, секта, которая не имеет отношения к христианству! Ее основатели - мошенники, извращенцы, многоженцы и педофилы! Мормонизм могут принимать только тупые, безмозглые люди, не умеющие думать и анализировать факты. Вся книга Мормона - это несусветная чушь и глупость, не выдерживающая никакой критики! Цель этой псевдорелигии - деньги и власть тех, кто управляет всем этим мормонским сбродом!
@@fumble_brewski5410 rough life?
I have read Utah is changing -like New England-because so many transplants come there for what it offers. Then they try to change it into what they left behind.
Ohhh. I know an LDS guy, he lives off the grid, now I get why. I previously thought he was just eccentric.
Here are all the things you got wrong:
1) Low Mormon population areas are divvied into branches and missions instead of wards and stakes.
2) A stake is usually 5-6 wards. The largest stake IN THE WORLD has 15 wards. There's no stake with "several dozen wards".
3) A "member" is not necessarily "baptized". You are supposed to get baptized after turning 8. You are a "member" if you are age 0-9 and some adult around you is associated with Mormonism. If you haven't baptized by age 10, your membership is supposed to be removed.
4) In areas served by stakes, a ward bishop and a stake president EACH must approve your temple recommend. In non-stake areas, that recommend comes from both a mission president and a branch president.
5) The average number of children in a Mormon family is 3.4.
6) Young men can go on missions starting at age 18. Women cannot go until they are at least 19.
7) Male missionaries serve for 2 years. Female missionaries serve for 18 months.
8) Sunday worship was changed from 3 hours to 2 hours in 2018.
9) I lived in Utah for a while. I went to BYU. No place I lived in had a "long, cement, cold room" in the basement. None even had a basement.
10) Utah is not a "melting pot" by any stretch. It has super low numbers of minorities compared to other states.
11) "Sexual orientation" outside the "traditional roles" is highly discouraged. Anyone in the LGBTQ+ community is VERY likely to encounter bigotry or even outright hatred.
12) Utah does not have a huge PRIDE population. It ranks 38th percentagewise in the country.
You got enough wrong that I would never trust you. I am ex-Mormon from Mormon pioneer stock. I went to BYU. I went on a mission. My huge extended family is mostly Mormon. I am no longer Mormon. I had my records withdrawn. I know what I'm talking about.
Self-Reliance and "prepping" is pretty common across religions and cultures, especially after the past few years of turmoil. And waiting for marriage is a fringe idea? That tells you how far mainstream Christianity has drifted from the gospels.
My family is moving out of utah and I couldn't be happier. When people say mormons are friendly, welcoming, nice, all those kind words, I call BS on that. Especially when they find out your weren't raised the same way.
Just hope where I live next, I don't have them doing the "cop" bang on the door or having them try to shove their beliefs onto me even when i tell them no a million times