STOP! Don't Move to Utah (Unless You Can Accept these 6 Things)
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- STOP! Don't Move to Utah (Unless You Can Accept these 6 Things)
If you are considering moving to Utah or moving to Salt Lake City, you'll want to not only search out the reasons why people love to move here, but also the reasons that some people don't like it here. In this video, I break it down!
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Why would I move to Utah it’s boring you can’t gamble you can’t really buy alcohol in a lot of places and there’s no lottery????
if you from cali. keep going
@Laver-galarga WOW!!!! I'm from Utah, and if you want gambling. 1 1/2 hours to the west is Wendover Nevada. You can drink 24/7. You just have to buy it before 1 am to 8 am. Utah is far from boring. There is so much to do here. The lakes are great to fish in or water ski on. The mountains are SPECTACULAR!!!!!! The Wasatch front is only 30 minutes away if you live in West Valley like I do. The Oaker Mountains are fun also. If the only thing you think is fun is drinking and gambling I honestly think it is you that is boring my friend.
The housing market is ridiculous in Utah. Nothing is affordable.
You're not wrong my friend
Not just Utah it’s pretty much everywhere
Was affordable before all the democrat trash from California, Oregon and Washington fled to Utah.
Why is Utah so damned expensive? I love SE Utah - seems really remote- but noticed the houses are priced the same as California!
It is due to everyone moving in
Fun fact….every driver in every state swears they have the worst drivers.
Touché!
ADVISEMENT: D O N O T drive in Park City during the Sundance Film Festival. (I live in Park City btw)
It does get crazy!
I went to Texas a few years ago and after driving around Houston for a while I became convinced that Utah is a driver's paradise.
The NTSB has rated Utah as having the worst, most rude drivers two years in a row.
Slow drivers in the fast lane is notorious here
This is no joke!
Then you have the jerks that is a mile back and you merge to the left to pass a truck and before you can move back over that jerk that was a mile back is now tailgating you. So these jerks speed up then want to complain you are going slow in the left lane. I’ve seen this a million times already. They were a mile back but somehow in 20 seconds they are tailgating you smh
@@BrianWaller-qe7gr AMEN!! I noticed that too
Also, with this getting over into the fast lane, for people to merge, this is non-existent.
He’s not lying about the food. It’s absolutely terrible. Way too many chain restaurants and folks with bland taste buds. There’s not a single pizza joint that can compete with any decent pizza place.
The food scene here is finally just starting these last couple of years and the best variety is in SLC
@@scottdsteele I agree. Although they have a long way to go for being on par with places like Denver or San Diego. You do indeed have to go into SLC and primarily downtown, is what I’ve come to learn.
When I moved here 14 years ago, OMG Ketchup on tacos. BTW, worst mexician food, plenty of it though
You're exactly right!
We need some good new Mexican Restaurants here!
I’ve lived in Utah for 4 years, and I’ve enjoyed my time here. My biggest issue is the total lack of separation of church and state. It’s pretty blatant.
Gotcha, what exactly do you mean? Examples?
@@scottdsteeleUtah’s medical cannabis program is a big one. The people voted for a bill that was a very standard medical cannabis program, and the church lobbied the state legislature to pass a different bill, greatly restricting nearly every aspect of the program. That has lead to prices being held artificially higher than any of our neighboring states, leading most patients that I’ve talked to to head out of state for their medical cannabis purchases.
Got it, that makes sense.
I don't mind it. It keeps the whole state from turning into shitty states the people are moving out of. . .
Also I don't smoke weed, so I don't give a flying fuck about the cannabis thing. But that is just me also.
Utahs cool. We moved here 10 years ago. You get what you give. Just make sure you wait for a few cars to run a red light before you go
Well said! Thanks
Yknow, I moved to Utah about 30 years ago and was impressed by the couteous drivers...my, how things have changed! I think it's the increased crowding.
I know! I hope that can all just think to be a little more courteous and kind
People here are way too courteous. I constantly see people slam on their brakes in traffic to give up their right of way. They are trying to be courteous but are creating a much more dangerous scenario.
Na, they are still great!
Driving has gotten more busy. That's about all I see.
I'm LDS and have lived here for 30 years, 65% of my life. Rude drivers: check. I admit I've been one of them, but I'm getting better! Mormon exclusivity: check. But it is incorrect to stereotype us all that way. I think maybe half or so have a judgment problem at some point, but we are human and change as we grow, so don't overgeneralize us for that either. The other half are very understanding and empathetic. Newcomers to any location need to remember the self-fulfilling prophecy. If you see your neighbors as bad people, they'll sense it and become defensive. Remember LDS has a history of being persecuted and can become defensive. I think we generally like people and will be very welcoming if not attacked first. Basic human nature.
Thanks for that comment John! I agree with you too that whatever someone is looking for... they will find it, whether it's the good or the bad
@@cj6884 This is a bit out of touch, you don't know the person you are talking to or the experiences they have had, and groups like that are often the butt of jokes and bullying, it's completely reasonable to see why they could get defensive or aprehensive of new comers.
It must be excruciating for you.
People that criticize the LDS for being human and not perfect are screwballs themselves acting like they are such good people and that no one else can make mistakes! Typical hypocrisy understated.
Do you or do you not believe that you are "God's chosen people?" I don't see how someone can believe that and not feel superior to others.
I grew up in utah
(No hate btw)
But growing up not mormon in my own experience has been lonely, no kids could ever hang out after school, no sleep overs, barely ever could play videogames with my friends online
I moved into a neighborhood with another household what wasnt mormon and they became my closest friends growing up but it was a bubble, school was entirely different
The mormons are fine upstanding people in my view but it is isolating.
Air quality, Housing Market, construction, Drivers, even food, I do agree with those being problems
Thanks for sharing Alex! I know this is the experience of many, and my hope is that more and more people are more inviting and able to help make everyone feel part of something and feel welcomed
As a Wyomingite with family and friends in Utah, I don't ever plan to live there. As wonderful and beautiful as it is, the tax structure would be my biggest concern. I can enjoy visiting and get back to the calm and less taxed comfort (except for the wind) of Wyoming. That may be the BIGGEST reason people don't want to be in Wyoming - Wind
Hi Cynthia! I respect that, Wyoming is a beautiful state!
If we look at total tax burden, the result is the best way to compare any state vs another.
To determine the residents with the biggest tax burdens, Wallethub compared the 50 states across the three tax types of state tax burdens - property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes - as a share of total personal income in the state.
Utah came in ranked #27 @ 8.08%
Wyoming came in ranked #45 @ 6.42%
That's a 1.66% difference.
Texas is an example that I talk to many about as well, and many believe that because they don't have income tax, it's so much cheaper to live there, but Texas came in ranked #29 @ 8.01%... nearly identical to Utah.
Not sure if anyone is going to scroll down this far and read this. Accepting these 6 things was not difficult in comparison to moving out from The People's Republic of Commiefornia and have no desire to turn Utah into what I left. However, being from L.A., the only thing I do miss is being able to surf.
Thanks for the comment Alex! Beaches and Dodgers baseball ⚾️
I moved here during the pandemic from California I absolutely love Utah !!! 😎
Awesome! Welcome to Utah and I'm happy that you love it here
Move back
For anyone (the vocal minority... many who comment here) who tells people to "Go" or "Move Back," I hope that you don't find yourself moving, for whatever reason, to a new place only to be treated that same way. People are going to move to new places for one of 1,000 reasons and shouldn't they be treated with respect, love, and to feel welcomed? I would hope that I spike be treated that way, wouldn't you?
Moved here in 2020 and I really enjoy this state. Wish the pay was better but at least this is a better way of life.
Welcome!
Not just winter air quality. It’s bad year round. Whenever you have a high pressure weather pattern, it’s going to put a lid on that surface pollution.
You are totally right. I tend to talk alot about that winter inversion, but it can be poor at any point of the year especially when California or the Northwest wildfires are in full force.
NOT ENOUGH WATER!!!!! The SLC metro needs to get less people, not more. If the GSL dries up, the whole city is going to have toxic air.
Your exactly right and we have to better manage our water resources.
We have plenty of water. But I agree...less people.
Yet It's impossible to stop
@scottdsteele No. It could easily be controlled. Require any new residential to prove 200 years of water supply before they can get a permit. Or, less drastic, xeriscape only, including established neighborhoods. Utah gets less rain than AZ, but uses water like it's Illinois.
I was saying it's impossible to stop people from moving here. People have the freedom to go where they want to and Utah is at or near the top of the list for so many reasons.
Traveled to SLC & Ste George about two dozen times while working for an airline. As a current Texan and former Oklahoman, you're not even close to the worst drivers. As for LDS, that's not on them to accept new people and the ones I've interacted with have extended me the same courtesy I've provided them. As someone that's moved quite a bit (CA, GA, OK, OH, IL and now TX) I've come to realize there's a culture to every region in the US and this whole idea of social terraforming - people trying to change their 'new home' into the one they purposefully abandoned - I find offensive. It seems the state is doing a lot right based on its economic success and low crime. Only thing that concerned me was the increasing amount of homeless in Salt Lake over the last 5-6 years
My favorite comment in a long long time Kevin. Thank you. I agree as well that homelessness has become a real problem and alot has happened in the last 2 years to remedy it. We currently sit at about 2,000 people experiencing homelessness and although any number is too high, SLC still ranks far, far better than most cities. Of the 25 cities in the U.S. with the highest homeless populations, New York City ranks as the worst with L.A. next followed by 12 California cities, 4 Texas cities, Las Vegas, Portland, Denver, and Seattle. I hope that we can find a way to better address homelessness in the near future that offers grace and a helping hand in addition to a path towards self reliance.
Being concerned about "fitting in" is a "you problem", shades of junior high school. Seriously, I am not LDS and spent 45 years in Las Vegas before moving to Happy Valley, aka Utah Valley. No problems.
Very well said John!!!
I live in Utah. Please don’t move here. Thank you. Have a wonderful day.
I hear you!
Love how you came with statistics. The food scene needs more diversity
Thanks John! The food scene has drastically improved in downtown SLC, and is just starting to improve elsewhere but yes, it's needs more diversity for sure
$3000 mortgages on townhomes that are tiny, wall to wall at $430K with $1200 quarterly HOA’s… and we have the worst income disparities among the country. Big companies know they can pay you much lower as a Utahn. Be prepared to have a couple side hustles to survive.
Also, night life is super lame.
Thanks for sharing Andy! Housing has gotten expensive...too expensive especially for wage earners
From the Central Valley of California it’s cute you think your air is bad. Not saying it’s perfect but I’ll take it over the Central Valley.
I totally understand! We do have some days on some years where we have some of the worst air in the world but it luckily doesn't stick around for long!
Racing home and running red lights is dangerous driving. They’re just getting away with it. We see it every day.
Me too
Great video. Lived in Utah a few years back andI overall agree. One point...the roads. I've heard this all across the northern states, but countries like Sweden and Norway get lots of snow and their roads are flawless. I think it's more about build quality and deferred maintenance,.
You're right, in fact Sweden is even building the first ever "Electrified" Road that will power EV's too.
I am not mormon or from utah and the majority of mormons have been extremely good to me.They treat me better than my own ppl as a minority ..
That's great! I would expect and hope that this is most people's experience.
I have been in utah 9 years and the mormons in my neighborhoods have regularly and consistantly excluded my family and my kids brcause they dont know us from church. They all just pretend we are not part of the neighborhood. We have worked hard to seek out the few other non mormon families to build community. It is frustrating.
@@brandongilligan6893 I understand were you are talking about because I have got lost in utah before and got kind of stranded in those neighbhorhoods and the mormons with long dresses give me this look like u dont belong here or plz dont rob me.Even though they dont know i am lost.But the truth is i would rather deal with them than deal with hoards and hoards of illegal alien mexicans comin here and destroying utah economically as well as the conservative culture here.Believe me i feel that is the least of ur worries, I also get the same looks from mormons when i play gosple christian music in my car, and they know its not LDS music. I get but i prefer deal with them than hoards of illegals that flooding utah and its starting to get really bad now especially in provo,orem, and lindon area it used to be mostly mormon now its getting mostly dirty everywhwere.There are plenty of non mormon churches u should try fellow shipping over there
@@brandongilligan6893Real talk thanks Brandon
I'm a Utah native, but this seems like a very true and fair assessment of the state. I've lived outside Utah as well. But you did great on this.
Thank you so much!
Ive lived in countries in europe, south america, and some states in the US. From my experience, ive not encountered as many passive aggressive and disrespectful people in such a small amount of time like i have in Utah.
Any experience that one person has in any given area is a very small sample of what's to be experienced and here or anywhere else, I'd recommend that if you're finding negative people, simply find a different crowd because there's so much more out there... including positive and uplifting people.
I was born in Utah and lived in other states before returning. I have found this is something in the culture here that promotes very Passive-Aggressive behavior. People here are generally friendly, but when is comes to money, driving or business, watch out!
I grew up all over Wisconsin. I have lived in a few different places (SC, FL, VA) and traveled around most of the country. I moved to SLC from Wisconsin September 2023. Point 1, Utah has poor air quality (in the valley). Wisconsin has contaminated ground water. Choose your poison. Point 2, Utah has rough roads. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Wisconsin. Point 3, Utah has bad drivers. Clearly a statement made by people who've never driven in Chicago (or Atlanta). Point 4, housing is expensive in Utah. Yeah, kinda hard to argue this point. It is expensive here. However, there are more opportunities here for me than any place with cheaper housing, and probably than other places with more expensive housing, so this place is still the best shot I have at doing well. Point 5, food scene in Utah. There is a lefse place here, so I'm good. Point 6, anxiety about "fitting in". Idk what to say about this point. I feel no connection to this concern. I've not fit in almost anywhere, so I've long since stopped caring about that, and yet, I have noticed that I fit in well here. Not fitting in wouldn't bother me if it were the case, but it is not the case. Utah is not without problems, but it still appears to be the best place to live. At least for me.
One of my favorite comments Joshua, and I thank you. I love it when people share their true experience and I hope that you love it here and feel welcomed.
As a native Californian, who moved to Utah, by way of Texas, I can tell you that I think the number one contributor to rude Utah drivers is that this state has no requirement for drivers education. If we don’t teach people how to be a courteous Driver how can you expect them to become so?
Very valid point sir! Do people get more training in CA or TX? My wife is from Socal, I'll ask her as well with respect to her experience
I'm curious where this idea comes from... I'm assuming you havent raised kids here, or they arent in high school yet as Drivers Ed is required before even *applying* for a drivers license... All four of my boys had to go through it in high school with getting their permits, doing the class curriculum, tanging (closed driving course), driving with an instructor, written test, driving test... that doesn't even take into account the hours they're supposed to have with their permit...
dld.utah.gov/driver-ed-15-17/
People comment regularly about things that they know nothing about
SLC resident here, I agree with this list. In terms of food, it's not a great scene and the service has been the worst I've seen anywhere so bad I gave up on eating out around here.
Thanks for sharing!
I really feel you should title this “6 things to accept if you move to NORTHERN Utah”, I just don’t feel these are as relevant to the St George area..
I agree with you 100%! I need to make that clear and do separate videos for St. George for sure
@@scottdsteele we have moved to Enoch, just above Cedar city. The air quality so far seems to be just fine. That’s definitely a Salt Lake City thing. Our neighbors have been extremely welcoming. It’s not nearly as crowded and the scenery is absolutely beautiful. Housing cost is extremely reasonable, coming from California. We haven’t found a real downside yet, except worrying about it getting more like California with the influx of people who carry their liberal values to their new homes. As conservatives, we are thankful to be among people who feel like we do.
People are friendly, employment is alright, but housing is just ridiculously stupid.
Very fair assessment!
I was born and raised in Salt Lake City and this is 100% correct in my opinion, maybe not in the same order of priority.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Is there any nightlife in Utah besides Sunday Bible school?
While the Salt Lake City nightlife scene is on the rise, it’s certainly not an outright destination like Vegas or Miami or other cities, but it doesn’t need to be. Because Utah already draws an international audience for its famed skiing, mountain biking and various other outdoor pursuits. With millions of tourists passing through Salt Lake International Airport each year, the presence of a legitimate nightlife scene just complements the countless other reasons people visit the region. Salt Lake City offers the unique ability to ski world-class resorts like Snowbird and Park City Mountain during the day and then to see world-class DJs in a true nightclub setting that same evening.
In Short, nobody comes here or moves here for the nightlife... but it is here for those who do!
not for me. I hate 'nightlife' . I prefer Reading the bible . Nightlife is for the young and dumb.
No nightlife doesn't suck.
Because there is no nightlife : (
Everything closes at 10. Facts!
Lots of meth and other drugs all over Utah 😂
Talk about population growth in the Heber area. Google shows it to be "near" Park City but not quite. Is it an employment center, or a housing/residence place, or a recreational place, or a combination of those? Are any large employers in Heber such as Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft, any tech startups, light or heavy manufacturing, other businesses? Is the Heber area government/public land, held for recreational or watershed uses only or is it mainly private land, open to development for housing, commercial, or industrial uses? I'd love to see and hear a video about Heber and a 30-mile radius around it.
Ok Steven, you've got me absolutely sold on doing a video all about Heber. I'll have this done over the next couple of weeks for you and everyone else
Born and raised Utahn, 24, Drivers I completely understand, the food as well (Local flavors get very creative), housing is abysmal in the Valley, I'm living with friends atm, but we're seriously thinking of moving out of the county. It's cheaper, it's got great growth opportunities, the only real difficulty is the fact that most of us have lived in the same area for well over a decade each. Same city, different spots. We'd be leaving where we consider home. I love the Valley's sunrises and sunsets like no other, the low hanging clouds of spring, the fairytale-like snow as the city lights flicker through the coming storm. It's just becoming too expensive to stay in the valley long term. Much love, Scott!
Very well thought out comment! I thank you for watching and sharing, it means the world to me
I visited Utah some 30 years ago, for a vitamin company seminar (Solaray), and had a wonderful time. Coming from Florida, the climate was what struck me as such a positive. The dry air out west is a refreshing change from the humidity we get here in swampy Florida (yes, the whole state might as well be a muggy swamp). As someone who is about a decade from Social Security and retirement, I am definitely looking for somewhere else to retire in, and Utah has always been in the back of my mind from that trip 30 years ago. With regards to the LDS, Utah is their state. If you move to Utah and can't handle Mormons, then that is your problem, not theirs. And frankly, I'd rather live amongst Mormons, who are among the most clean, happy, polite and safe people to be around, versus living in some huge city anywhere else where you are literally in fear for your life just taking public transportation (yeah, I'm looking at you NYC). Housing prices are probably the first factor I look at when considering going anywhere else. Because when you have a home with no mortgage, and all you pay are property taxes, I will only consider locations where I can find affordable housing, and lower property taxes (and lower insurance rates). So for those reasons Utah would not be considered.
:Music scene not good. Concert goers must see big names on week nights (unless country bands).They choose Denver or Las Vegas on weekends. :-(
Agreed, but I can't blame them
As a lifelong Utahn, this video is a fair assessment of the cons of Utah life. If you are a "glass half full" type, you will enjoy joy Utah life. If you are a "glass half empty" type, Utah will drive you crazy.
Bingo, well said
LDS peeps are nice people... not sure if that is a problem. Missionary knocking on our doors might be annoying, but they stop after they learn that there's no way of turning this guy...
Thanks for the comment!
Vouch on the driving issue. TN here. Nothing like the cut offs and wanting to do 15+ over on the speed limits.
Maybe it's that age thing. These boys testicles still haven't dropped yet. But I'm doing 9 over the speed limit which is a 50/50 on the cops pulling me over for vs the +11 over the speed limit which they will 100% pull you over for, but these people want that speeding ticket *smh*
Meet them on the street, at a bar, at a restaurant. Nice people!. Once they get in the car though, they all try to become Dale Earnhart *smh*
This is pretty funny
Moved to Clearfield from Seattle area 2 and a half years ago. Everything you say seems to be spot on! Though with influx of Californians and people like me the last year in particular. It's sort of turning into another left coast state. In five years probably identical.
Welcome to Utah!! What do you mean by left coast state?
Luckily the inversion problem is usually short lived. It is gross when it happens though. Living higher up on the West side seems to help quite a bit.
I lived up at the Cove @ Herriman Springs for years and it was actually above the inversion. Great point!
I moved to Utah back in mid 2016 from Los Angeles. I lived in Lehi first and then moved to Downtown SLC(I’m a city boy 🤷🏿♂️) I think people in Utah don’t understand the unwritten rules of driving on the freeway. In LA everyone drives like pissed off teenagers but it’s organized chaos. 🤣
The food scene has boomed since 2020. Location is important though for survival. Most fizzle out about 1.5-2years of operation.
I discovered golf in Utah and the quality and price is great in northern Utah. 😂
Going out for drinks in Utah is a whole other story….
I love this comment! Thank you so much for sharing!
Good job with the video. My sister lived in Salt Lake City for over 10 years, so I visited her at least twice a year during that timeframe. I agree with your list except for two things. 1) It is true, Salt Lake City does have the worst drivers, and I have been to 90% of all the states. I've noticed more people NOT use their blinker when merging more on Utah highways than anywhere else. There's no statistic that can show this type of behavior unless it involves an accident. 2) The LDS church DOES impact those local communities more than you give them credit for. My sister kept complaining to me how she kept being judged by everyone in her office because she wasn't Mormon. It's not that these people are bad, it's that the church instills fear in their teachings to their members, which forces those folks to be 'unwelcoming' to others who are not a part of their faith. Outside of those two items, your video was spot on!
I love your comments! I completely agree with you that our drivers are the worst, and that simply does not show up in the data because "Rude" just doesn't have a statistic. Also, I do agree that culture affects every aspect of the community and as a licensed real estate agent and the fair housing act, I cannot talk about many things with respect to religion among many other things but i do completely agree with you. Things have changed so much in a very short number of years recently, but it only takes a very small minority of any group to be the ones who spoil the experience for others and results in that entire group being represented in that same light and I completely see both sides of this every single day. Thank you so much for that perspective because this is exactly what is needed... more open conversation around more people's experiences.
Unwelcoming? Now you know how conservatives feel when they have work in San Diego, LA, SF, NY, and are subjected to Trump bashing all day long and told to put up with it or get out. As a blue state refugee to Utah, one really doesn't have it that bad in comparison.
Completely disagree that the Church “instills fear”. From my experience the Church does the opposite by instilling love.
There's a difference between the "church culture" coming down from leadership and the "church culture" on the ground in the community, as well as in social subgroups. I grew up mostly in California, and came to Utah as an adult. I belong to the local predominant religion. In California I had a lot of good friends who simply treated me the way I treated them, and then I encountered people who simply heard that I was religious and assumed I was a hateful bigot; I even encountered people actively spreading lies about my religion in California.
Here in Utah I've been part of wards (the local religious unit of the church) where I got along with my neighbors; I've been in other wards where they drove me crazy; I've been in others that were judgmental and unaccepting. There's every level of income, there's blue collar and white collar, there are well-to-do and affluent as well as poor and everything in between. It can be kind of a crap shoot when it comes to what you're going to get. I'll say this: most times when you come into an office, there's an established culture in place, and you're the new guy who has to assimilate; that's never a fun position to be in. Utah has no monopoly when it comes to backstabby and judgmental office politics.
Utah is not the Wasatch Front. There are plenty of other incredible places with pristine air quality.
You are exactly correct. While 2.8 Million of Utah's residents (82%) do live along the Wasatch Front, there are so many other places to enjoy
I moved here hoping I’d fit in and my neighbors have been great, but I have experience the good ole boy stuff while job hunting. They do hook up fellow members over nonmembers. That’s been my experience at least. I hope that’s changing.
I absolutely hope that's changing as well!
It won't, they only want their kind.
Well that's what you will find to be true then. Focus on negativity and that's precisely what you'll find more of
@@scottdsteele Your reply shows 1 or more of the following 3 things: Either you are "In the club", ignorant, or you don't live here.
Negativety and victimhood on display
I am from Pennsylvania and have been in vernal utah and herriman Utah for 10 years now.
Thanks Eric! What is your experience here? Do you like it?
Utah rates number one in tickets given over 100 miles an hour. It also rates number one per capita in road rage. These were just released in the winter 23/24.
Don't forget the rise in homeless.
I don't doubt this at all! Thank you for sharing!!
It has risen
Agreed
@scottdsteele Welcome!.....I have a great time when I'm in town (downtown) with plenty to do but it's something u can't miss or ignore.
I bought a house in Salt Lake City (Holladay) in 2018 and the price that I bought it for has doubled. If I had to buy the house now, I couldn’t afford it.
Thanks for the comment Jeff! You're right, housing affordability here is now a crisis
I have lived all over the US, there are bad drivers everywhere.
You are absolutely correct Liz
As someone who has lived in Utah in the past, (currently in Japan), the social environment is actually one of the best out of all the states I have been to. With the rapid decline of California, Utah is picking up the pieces, everything is more expensive, people are more toxic...the overall experience is wasted with this occurring event. Apart from this, Utah is a great state, one of the best. For people who like warmer climates, St. George offers the best scenery. Anywhere north of Utah is much much colder. And for the religious community that is prominent within the state, it has helped Utah stay in a friendly environment.
Thanks for your comment! Hopefully you'll come back at least to visit too
Fourth generation Utahn here. (None of us have been Mormon)
LDS churches are laid out geographically. So all your LDS neighbors attend the same church. Thus everyone in the neighborhood knows who is who.
This seems awkward but it's actually an advantage for us non-lds to get to make our own place in town. Plus your neighbors might be super nice to try and convert you.
Thanks for the comment Jeff! I really hope that you feel welcomed, included and treated with nothing but kindness. Everybody deserves that
Utah is an amazing state. The biggest reason I never plan to move there is the traffic. They are a victim of their own success. Their growing economy is great, but that growth makes for terrible traffic. Rural Utah would be nice though
I understand! It is all relative as well, SLC has far better traffic and commute times than most every other city of comparable or larger size, but of course it's much worse than it used to be
As someone who has lived in Utah their whole life as well id have to say the worst thing about to Utah has to be the housing 💯🤦🏻♂️ when I moved in my apartment 4 years ago the rent was $1200 now I pay $1800, another thing is our liquor laws are strict you can only buy liquor Monday through Saturday at designated liquor stores and bars don’t do doubles also. The weather here is very bipolar one day it’s beautiful and sunny the next day it’s freezing snowing other than that I really love Utah if you love being outdoors and hiking/camping and or fishing Utah is the place for you! there are so many canyons lakes rivers creeks and reservoirs to explore and are absolutely beautiful, skiing is amazing here as well and the food is great so many places to try here 💯
Thanks Peezy! Great comment and thank you for sharing your opinions
5:44 my opinion why the drivers are so rude: driving is the epitome of personal freedom. And, our roads change # of lanes without warning, 2 to 1 or 3 to 2, etc.
Interesting take!
They all dress the same … cookie cutters
I totally get it!
Plenty of options to move to if you hate utah. You can migrate to europe or mexico or some place else. There ya go. Now pack ur bags n enjoy
You're exactly right Hero...I love it here
Several businesses are CLOSED on Sundays. Like MOST all businesses are closed on Sundays.
And if you get a job that is open 7 days a week, anyone who isn’t LDS has to work Sundays. There are many people who use their Religious beliefs to not work on Sunday. So can only imagine why no businesses are open.
However, plenty of Mormon families go out on Sunday to buy things. And the hypocrisy is very evident. Makes them act privileged that they are LDS because they aren’t “working” on Sunday but you can and should.
Only the “non-members” are working Sunday. You will see a completely different crowd out in public on Sunday. Most people have a long day of Church duties on Sunday since it is run by each local area.
There are LDS churches everywhere. And they are used like facility buildings to hold activities and such each Sunday. You are welcome inside but need to adhere to the cultural rules that will make you feel unwanted in many ways because you are an outsider.
It’s not mean but it’s ignorant.
I completely understand your perspective and I would love to have conversation about this and offer another perspective as well.
"Plenty" is a relative term. While I'd agree that it's hypocritical to use your religion to avoid working on Sunday while you're going out to buy stuff on that day, they tend to be a self-selecting sample. So if you're in a town that's 50 percent religious and .05 percent of them are going out buying on Sunday, it could seem like half the town is out doing it. Also, if you're in a town that's 50 percent religious and half of the nonreligious people are out buying stuff on Sunday, you're probably going to assume that more people are hypocrites than actually are.
I'm guessing it's a bigger problem than .05 percent of the religious population, but having lived in Utah for over twenty years now, I doubt it's more than 1/3 of them.
Or I could be totally wrong. That's just my gut talking, and my nitpicky statistical brain.
Either way, there's a reason why people get lessons a couple of times a year on observing the Sabbath day and all that. Church is like a hospital; it's full of sick people trying to get better. It doesn't make their behavior right; it just makes them human.
Awesome reply, church is just like a hospital and everyone is sick. Who are we to judge anyone for choosing to go out on Sunday in the first place?
I am Chinese and have never been to the United States, but I love Utah and hope to visit it sometime. But my English is not very good and I can only communicate simply
It's worth the visit!
The food really does suck here. He is right, in that, a lot of restaurants pop up BUT same flavor.
Agreed
I live at the Uinta basin. I dislike that we are paying for this new bus system construction that no one rides except for homeless people on fentanyl or spice. Keep your problems in SLC don’t give them a free ride to my neighborhood on my tax dollars
I love and share your passion as well to have our dollars spent wisely and with prudence and a stiff sense of stewardship.
I wish that was the case brother and I think we need to keep the Olympics and this professional Baseball team out of here. We live in a treasure.
SLC was once that place but it has gone down in certain areas ijs. The younger generation has taken over and don't have a clue. The infrastructure is beautiful but it's some of the people that have taken away from SLC over the years.
We certainly do! I actually do want the Olympics and the baseball team myself but I totally get your perspective as well
I hear you!
Good Video.
Seattle Transplant, but have been in Utah longer than King County.
As far as the driving is concerned, maybe it is rude, but I generally think it is just cluelessness. Though when I do go home, I'm surprised people actually let you on the freeways, etc. so you may have a valid point. I guess you just get used to it.
Housing prices (all - rentals, condos, homes, etc.) are insane! Friends have sold homes here and then saved money paying cash for new homes in California! (No, not Los Angeles, but CA is a mighty big place).
"Fitting in" is an interesting subject. I don't see that as a Utah phenomenon. Having lived in NC where you were blackballed for not being Baptist - of course that was in early 70s.
Personal Big Concern - yes, they just keep building more and more everything. Houses, apartments, stores, businesses - particularly Tech here on Silicone Slopes, BUT they have yet to create more Water. Utah is a desert state. Some parts may seem pretty green, but there is not really enough water for the continual expansion.
Again, Great Video!
Thank you SO much for your thoughtful comment!
Utah native here everything checks out 😂
Thanks for watching!!
I’ve lived in Salt Lake for 3 years and if you come from a big city then you will think the food is terrible. Only those who grew up/lived most of their lives here don’t realize how bad it is.
That's fair to say Connor!
I've never seen people having trouble driving in Texas. It's probably only dangerous because people speed. One group drives around 70mph, another 80mph, and another 90 mph.
That sounds about like everywhere else
I've lived in Utah Valley for 60 years. To me, the pros outrank the cons, but I got my house and a couple of rentals decades ago, so ...
Nice move! I hope that you love it here
I have lived all over US, and UT drivers are the best by far!
Really!? That surprised me
Moved to Utah in 2015 and made some good friends, and do the occasional mountain bike trip and sometimes we stay in hotels, and I always get my own bed, I think it’s an lds thing, cause I offer the other side of the bed cause I’m skinny and don’t take up much room, sure I might spoon someone in my sleep but I’m married, 🤷🏻♂️.
I hope that you love it here!
Eh. I wouldn't necessarily call Utah drivers rude, so much as complacent. Well, apart from refusing to let a car pull out in front of you. Have some patience lol.
We could all use more patience and give some grace
I'm pretty sure that I once saw a bumper sticker that said "Jesus is my Savior, but Satan is my copilot" LOL
LOL southern utah has absolutely banana drivers
That's an understatement!
I think this is very misleading. People outside of Utah who move here rarely think it has the worst air quality, that the predominant religion is evil, or that the economy is bad. Saying "you need to be okay with this to move here" is a misnomer because people who don't live here because those things simply aren't things they've thought about. All the things in this video are mostly only opinions of people who have lived here their whole lives. Go ask the many Californians who continue to move here and ask they what they like and don't like.
Hi! Thanks for the comment! I actually do speak with and work with people moving here every single day. 1 out of every 5 is coming from California as well. This isn't misleading whatsoever, I've done my research (every 1 minute of video is literally 1 hour of work including research, planning, filming, editing and posting) and I've researched the precise keywords that are most often searched by people from outside of Utah (ie, those moving here) and Air Quality absolutely tops the list. To your other points, never did I say the economy is bad???? We have the best or top 5 economy in the nation year in and year out. Listen to this video again, or any of my videos and you'll hear this over and over and over again. Also, where did I say that the predominant religion here is evil???? I'm not sure that you actually listened to the video, or any of my videos because that has never and would never even cross my mind, let alone my lips. I've been incredibly blessed from my faith in so many ways including being able to communicate better and even do so in Spanish fluently as well. Maybe you could rewatch this video with a different perspective.
I've never had a non Mormon neighbor try to initiate any sort of contact with me in Utah, so it might not be all the Mormons fault for exclusion
You're right, there are examples of every single type of personality and person in every community
Utah has had a SUB-replacement birth rate for 6 continuous years, 2024 being that 6th year.
That is correct. What this stat (rate) defines as the replacement rate is that every woman needs to produce 2.07 children because for every 100 females born, there are 107 males, so in order for a female to replace themselves statisticly, they need to have 2.07 (rounded up to 2.1) children to achieve that result of replacing themselves. While we sit @ 1.92 and that is sub replacement, it does not account for a population decline in Utah because there are more babies born than those who pass away (24,000 more) and this replacement rate isn't accounting for the increase of net migration that is making this net increase possible.
Mormon Stone care who you are one way or the other !!! So don't believe the stupid crap you might be hearing about them they're regular people like everybody else.. they're more concerned about their lives than they are anybody around them..
I agree 100%
wyoming may be worse for fatal crashes but also living near a lot of those cars ha utah plates, speeding on the interstate across wyoming in bad weather. i also don't know those are per capita. and a lot of wyoming deaths often are truck drivers from out of state so they come drive stupid get us and themselves killed and then say this cherry picked data that wyoming is worse. at least we use turn indicators. also every crash i was in was a utah driver crashing into me 3 times, every time texting and driving. messed up my neck to.
I'm so sorry! And I believe you!
Drivers in utah are for the most part courteous. But they SUCK because they cant put their phones down. It causes so much traffic. As soon as they stop, BAM immediately on their phone and don’t realize the light is green. It can wait, you’re driving, pay attention.
I agree!!
I will say number 6 SLC has gotten far more diverse than the rest of the state to a point where its almost a different experience. You are far more likely to find people are more open and chill than say provo wherer I live, 4th most populated city in Utah and i had maybe 2 lds friends in school who would hang out with me on the regular where all my other friends even only ever did church events together none of which i went to cause Im not a member. Just feel its worth noting the further from slc you get the more the church's influence shows
You are correct, thanks for the comment!
My 6 things I hate about Utah
Ok, Scott touched about the pollution, You can tell how bad the pollution is the second you wake up, you will be coughing and your eyes burn and headaches. But what his number 2 issue is the quality of the roads, which actually is tied to the number 1 issue, the pollution. Obviously salt is very plentiful here and it is used in an over abundance to keep the roads clear. But, it breaks down to what is called a PM10 Particulate. The applied salt is pulverized to a micro dust that suspends in the air. Not to mention it ruins cars, the roads, bridges, and your driveway. Everything gets coated with salt, notice there is no roadside vegetation, nothing grows in salt. UDOT, the highway governance even sprays heavy salt water (brine solution) before storms and it can be seen by the car in front of you kicking up a white cloud of salt dust. The continual reconstruction of roads and bridges and destruction of your car all comes out of your wallet. It is expected that there will be a biblical over saturation of cars to road ways. There is a physical, finite amount of space for roads and it is expected within 10-15 years, but it doesn’t stop the growth explosion. There is public transit but it is barely used, not uncommon to see completely empty trax and buses.
The new build housing, I live in Draper, a suburb of Salt Lake City. Yesterday saw a beautiful 1.2 million dollar home literally 8 feet away from the home next to it. Shake hands with your neighbor through the upstairs window. Might as well be condos, great if your from the same church. Schools are way over crowded and Utah has the nations absolute lowest money allotment per student. Lots of kids, big family tax breaks, biggest child birth rate in the country, you do the math. Big families equal big cars, giant SUVs, hauling tons kids at high speeds. The drivers here totally suck.
Fitting in; it is almost always out there in various degrees. I’m not in “the club” and that may mean you don’t advance in a “club” owned business or it ay mean your kids cannot play with other children that are. Sometimes it’s no big deal, but sometimes it means you ay never meet your neighbors. It definitely polarizes the neighborhoods. And “the club” is a massive driver in state and local politics. We are all here together, we shouldn’t have to find a like “tribe”.
My children left Utah to go to out of state colleges, they had all they can take of the wonderfulness of the culture here and other than to visit, they aren’t coming back.
I won’t be here next year.
Very well thought out response, thanks Mike! Let me know if there's anything I can do for you or if there's a video you'd love to see
I find the same thing about "THE CLUB" i was shocked the first time i was told that my 3 year old was not allowed to play with their 3 year old because of "the club"
It will be interesting to see how that all changes in the next 5-10 years when people who arent in “the club” continue to flock into the state and the ratio continues to tip..
To be fair, I didn't let my kids go play with the neighbors until I met them, "club" or not. I know there's some with that attitude, but I wonder if it's not just how society is these days in general as well and the "club" thing is more perception.
You're right, it will be interesting
Im stationed in northern Utah, and have been for 4 years. Coming from SoCal, the weather here is atrocious. Im in a sweater 90% of year, even during summer. Too cold for me. Plus like others have said, its way too damn expensive here. Couldnt think of myself living here longer than I have to.
Edit: no gambling, no powerball, strict and intrusive alcohol laws, snowing in JULY. LOL. I could go on forever about how much this state actually sucks. Only GOOD thing about is it is the safest place ive ever traveled to and the 2nd amendment is semi respected, for now.
I can understand your weather thing and being cold, my wife is from SoCal and is cold very easily as well. However, snow in July? That has only happened up above us, not down here where most of the people live.
Stopped watching because of that music
Thanks for that feedback
@@scottdsteele thanks for being real 👊
Still watching but good point 😅
Don’t move to Utah it’s horrible! The snow and the people are horrible! In n Out isn’t even that good! Move to Colorado or California!
I don't understand how the snow is horrible? Millions of people come here each year for that very reason... the snow. Also, compared to most of the cities in the East or Midwest, our snow here in Salt Lake City along with the climate is a walk in the park comparatively.
Also, I don't think it's valid to say that the people in any city are horrible... there are both good and bad people in every single town and city in this world and with a positive and helpful perspective, you'll find the best in both people and a place, including Salt Lake City Utah
@@scottdsteele He was being sarcastic.
@@MichaelRobertt I'm normally not a fan of sarcasm but in this particular case, long live sarcasm!
Yeah don't move to Utah! We'll stay behind and "suffer" for yall.
I wish people would stop moving to Utah. not being sarcastic. it was much much better here 40 years ago. oh well.
Without watching the video I already know this is most likely a utah realtor and all the negatives will be fairly easy to deal with. But Utah in 2023 lost more people than it got. Based on recent data which every Utahn ignores
I'm not sure where you're getting your data, but if you ignore the headlines (that the increase has declined) and the sources that are all over the internet, and go straight to the source of the US Census Bureau, Utah gained 56k residents last year alone in 2023. 31k and change came from Net Migration (more people moving in than out) and 24k from net increase (more births than deaths).
Live in SLC 🏔
People are two faced here... Just saying
Hi Chris! Every single person in every single community has 2 sides and when you look for the good in people, that's more of what you'll find and conversely, when you look for the bad in people, that's precisely what you'll find as well. What you focus on expands
@@scottdsteele I lived in Japan for three years, it's the same here - for the same reasons.
Interesting
Our home doubled in price.
Hi Katherine! Yes, homes have any rocketed in value and that's not going to change. I do hope that we come up with (as a state) ways to make it possible for young people and 1st time buyers to buy homes here.
Notice it's only the people that are in real estate that actually like it here anybody that actually contributes to society through an actual day's work Make decent money but not enough to justify the living cost here
Hey thanks for the comment! I know that I'm doing something right when some choose to sling insults. I built homes, renovated homes and came from 17 years of an extremely hard working background and if you were to try Real Estate yourself, you'd realize how incredibly difficult it is and how much more work that it is. I wish you the best and hopefully have a great day!
I love Utah other then the crazy housing market right now. It is absolutely out of control. And Salt Lake City is falling apart to crime. Otherwise, its great haha.
Housing costs are crazy and unsustainable.
Although this video is SLC-centric, most other areas of the state do not have an air pollution problem caused by an inversion layer. And yes, the drivers and food in Utah in general, are terrible... And having lived and worked in Utah for years, yes the whole LDS culture is weird. It's not like "Children of the Corn" weird, but a lot of the people and families do have a "Stepford Wives" quality to them, which can be a little creepy...
I appreciate your perspective and I just want to add that the inversion happens all along the Wasatch Front, not just SLC. Anyone can check the EPA's website and look at air quality and art times it's SLC that's worst, other times it's Provo or Ogden or even Cache Valley up in Logan.
@@scottdsteele Definitely for the Wasatch front and foothills, such as SLC, Provo, Heber and areas near the lakes. However the entire rest of the state, including Southern Utah, Central Utah, the Moab area, Cedar City, St. George, Kanab, Escalante, Enterprise, Fillmore, Delta, Green River, Salina, Richfield, Boulder, Mt. Pleasant, Beaver and the vast majority of the state are unaffected by this. Housing is also substantially cheaper outside of the Wasatch area, and in many cases, the weather is better too.
You are exactly right!
You lost me at salt 😂 I'll stay in Grand Junction and look over the border at ya😅
I can certainly understand🤣
Kali yuppies took the quality of life, chopped it into tiny pieces and sold it to the highest bidders. They did it to OR, WA, CO, NM & AZ.
I understand where you're coming from
Lol I live in utah my whole life. Moving to arkansas soon.
Awesome, what is taking you to Arkansas?
If you are not Morman it is very hard to get good jobs.
This just is not true on the macro level. Each person's experience in their micro experience of course can be otherwise, so I'm not saying that this isn't true in your experience, but it simply is not on the macro level
Ummm. Friendly? Nah bruh. Live in Tremonton UT. and can honestly say as a so called non- member. I have never been persecuted more from any other group of people, than the Mormons. But hey to all the people out there that are thinking of moving here. Don't take my word for it. Listen to the native.777
Thanks for your perspective
Oh shoot, well I guess I already moved anyway.
Moved away?
@@scottdsteele Nah, I moved in for a job in wilderness therapy. Didn’t actually consider the state which is why I found this video very funny because basically all of those items bother me.
Got it! Hopefully you can find some great things here for you too!
Cut pollution by buying electric cars.
Does it though? While I do obviously understand that omissions are cut out, but after all is considered from production to the generation of the electricity needed to power them, it's interesting to examen the overall carbon footprint as a comparison between EV's and ICE vehicles. I am an EV fan though and have yet to buy one.
@@scottdsteeleYes: Tesla powerwall, charged by panels on the roof, which charge your car.
I agree, it's the production of solar panels and those very EV's that underpin my opinion. I'm all for EV's, but they aren't nearly as good for the environment as most people believe
Wear your seat belt if you get on I-15
No joke Andrew!
I work at the airport and people from UTAH give off the worst energy ever, I can easily tell when people live in Utah but aren't from there and give off a whole different vibe. I deal with people from around the world but people from UTAH often are rude, don't acknowledge, look down, snatch things from you, it's often a cold piercing almost narcissistic stare. I cannot speak for everyone but this has been my experience 8 out of 10
Hey, thanks for sharing! I'm super curious about everybodys experience. Maybe knowing that they'll be walking 5 miles on that new airport has them cranky 😠. I'm kidding, but I love hearing about what people experience
Anytime brotha, yeah Long Beach Airport in CA is literally the easiest smallest no stress Airport in the United States lol.
Happy such a well rounded travelled person could detect the energy flowing out of Utah. hopefully this will make others not want to come to Utah ever. Thank you very much.
It’s the same for Californians coming to Utah as a Utahn, people from California are the most self-obsessed and self-righteous haters. It’s probably a cultural dissonance thing, idk I guess we both oughta stay in our own states
Utah is a traditional values state so if ur not into traditional family values maybe try a blue state😊
Well said
Nice try in doing your part to keep outsiders, especially Californian out of Utah.
I'm not doing or pretending to try to keep anyone out. People in America are free to move as they so chose and it's nobody's place to tell anyone that they can't move here. Utah is an amazing place and for that reason, people chose to move here. Also, only 18% of those moving here are from California and every Californian that I've served has moved here because they are attracted to our way of life here and they have that right to move here.
Smog, smog, smog in winter. Salt Lake City and Logan are really bad because they are surrounded by mountains. Utah is the fastest growing state thanks to how well Utah is run. If there is one good thing about mormons, they are really organized. Utah doesn't have enough water for thIs expansive growth. If the Great Salt Lake keeps drying up, the land below it will blow into the air. There is arsenic in that there dirt. Rude drivers is true. My condo went up from $69,400 to $275,000 in 16 years.
Thanks for the comment!! That smog that you speak of is true during the winter inversion season which, on average, we see fire 14-18 days per year.
I’m LDS and i have been living here in So. Utah for 20 years. I’m originally from California, but moved here when i was 27. Some of the most dishonest people i have ever met in my life are from So. Utah. That being said, Utah is a dichotomy. The worst people I’ve ever met in my life have been here and some of the best people in my life have been here. All of them have been members of my church. I question everyone’s motives when they use their religion as a guarantee of their character. I could care less if someone is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I surround myself with those i can trust regardless of faith.
Good idea