Family SUV Drag Race: Nissan Pathfinder vs Mazda CX-9 vs Honda Pilot vs Jeep Grand Cherokee L.
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- Family SUV Drag Race: Nissan Pathfinder vs Mazda CX-9 vs Honda Pilot vs Jeep Grand Cherokee L.
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Any VQ V6 not attached to a CVT deserves more respect.
Indeed! And that ZF 9-speed is really good at taking advantage of an engine’s powerband. We have that transmission in our MDX and it makes it feel much faster than a rental MDX with the 10-speed.
Nissan makes the best v6 engines transmission not so much even there v8 the vk56 is amazing
No vq deserves any respect from anyone
@@GermancogNissan always had pretty reliable transmissions, they messed up when they switched to cvts, their 4, 5, 7, auto transmission were all pretty decent even the hybrid Q50 3.5L.
Owned a 2007 Quest for 10 years. Mind you it was a gas guzzler. But when it was time to haul, even with a fully loaded Minivan, getting up to speed felt natural. Pretty fantastic engine the VQ.
I am MOST impressed by the lonely four banger and OLDEST suv the Mazda.
It’s turbocharged which helps a lot, but ye
If the Mazda didn’t have premium fuel it’s only making 225HP too!
Torque not enough horsepower though
Yeah, this was unfair they are all 6 cylinders except the Mazda. The Mazda C9 also comes with an inline 6.
@@kuntekinte6246 Goes to show the average buyer of these cars knows nothing about performance. A turbocharger can more than make up for the difference in cylinder count.
I can feel the emotion of the cx 9 driver lol😂
Sports mode on cx90 would have changed the game
You see how they chose the 4 cylinder instead of the inline 6.
11:19 😂
I think mazda cx9 won the formula of highest torque, best fuel consumption, fun to drive and very good performance among the four cars even though I believe cx90 should be the one selected with the other cars since they are already latest models. Thanks for your efforts.
And it wins the Beauty contest as well.
Both of yall are mazda lovers 😂😂
The oldest car with the least power, fewest number of cylinders, smallest displacement, AND by far the fewest number of gears in its transmissions really put up a great fight.
Underrated af
The fewest number of gears yet the most tunable of all, that transmission can hold a lot of power it’s not old or weak. I’d argue the pathfinder and pilot have the oldest engine technology, yet having better gear ratios on NA due to less stress from torque, torque kills transmission not horsepower
I drive a 2016 CX9, first model year of that generation, great car, some of them had problems with cylinder head cracking but my example has been great at 120K mi with no issues, we also have a 2023 CX5 turbo with the same motor and despite the difference in age in miles they run exactly the same it's remarkable! The CX9 is FWD and it really surprises me somtimes with torquesteer or otherwise the front pulling straight on when I put my foot down a bit coming around a corner, it's very fun to drive for being a three row, handles like a normal car
Terrible MPG though on both
cx 9 is like baby car wheres JGC-L feels heavy and solid [too big].
JGC-L might be biggest car on road due to longitudinal platform.
@@Slowwagonftl and best mpg
I would get a used cx-9 over rest anyday
VQ35 with a 9 speed is no joke
But no Nissan/infiniti never had a transmission over 8 gears so how would it be no joke and today is the time it’s been drag race?
@@leonbaptiste2272 been around for 2 years. So yea it’s no joke.
@@user-yn4cn3el5q Even on a cvt is no joke.
@@leonbaptiste2272 idk the pathfinder cooked the rest
Put it up against an x5. X5 will smoke it.
mazda cx9 did pretty well
this makes me wonder the potential the Maxima or Nissan in general would’ve had if they didnt stuff CVTs in their entire lineup. just insane but here we are today.
Would be unmatched
oh what nissan could have been without carlos ghosn
Go nissan Pathfinfer/QX60 . 3.5 v6 is still one of the best in the business. Good power and sound 👌
Weight. Only factor would be weight. 8 9 or 10 speeds would be speculation.
I own the Pathfinder and I feel it very slow
@@alldaymaxwell put it in sports mode 😂
The mazda cx9 so significantly underpowered with more fuel efficiency and no cvt and still keeping up in the top end. It is also the oldest car in this group. It first debuted in 2016.....amazing.
Perfect example of why turbochargers are cheating 😂
320 torque from a family 4 banger
The cx90 taking its place is very different
VQ35 still moving. Sorry I missed out on this one. Nice to see the current Pathfinder with the 9AT in action. 39k on my 2022 now, and as good as the day I picked it up.
Whoever drives the Honda is slow on the gas when drag racing. Replace that driver.
Totally agree!
Me too I Agree Honda's are usually good at racing.that driver has issues
As a cx9 owner can confirm the Mazda has a lot of off the line grunt but boy does it fall off fast after 80kph… still fun to drive for a 3 row.
Seems like it would automatically be the fastest car here- but ig it’s not accurate having the 4 cylinder option vs 6 cylinders. And the 6 speed, which is tuned for great performance, but Mazdas new transmission gives you a bit more flexibility
Because its a turbocharged hybrid
@@GoldRaven-oe4bycx9 is non hybrid lol. I think you’re referring to cx90
I have the 3.7 cx9 and it keeps pulling strong until it reaches top speed.
@@josepineda501 fr
VQ doing VQ things. The 4 liter in my 2008 Xterra still shreds after 16 years.
A lot of people sleep on the pathfinder, when it first came out for 2013 with the 3.5 it got sooo much hate with the cvt even tho in the qt Mile it was unbelievable how quick the pathfinder pulls once it gets to redline and stays there. It’s basically a maxima with extra weight and awd. Finally a good race Sam!
They get rid of the CVT transmission, and now it's great!
Wife has a Pathfinder just like the one in the test, except FWD only. It’s pleasant enough and it is an excellent real world value compared to the Pilot and some others with available discounts. The swap to the 9 speed automatic was a big boost. It is probably Nissan’s best product right now.
Just FYI. The Nissan Pathfinder that you tested is 284 hp. Only the Rock Creek edition has 295 on 93 octane. Also, the Pathfinder in this test is not CVT rather a ZF 9 speed auto.
Actually all Pathfinder’s make 295 horsepower on 93 octane. The Rock Creek is advertised as such, but all Nissan/Infiniti models can advance timing and use the 93 octane timing maps to access the increased horsepower ratings. The Rock Creek model can also use 87 octane and retard timing to make 284 hp. The more you know 🌈
Stellantis last...about right 😂. Nissan without a CVT makes a better vehicle.
Anything without a cvt makes it a better vehicle!
@@derronsanchez391 True. Most ppl won't really notice the cvt until you floor it or drive on hilly terrain. Then it becomes just awful.
Considering the 200kg weight disadvantage of the Grand Cherokee L over the rest of the pack it did quite well in my honest opinion, I will agree the Nissan needs to ditch the CVT in all their vehicles and go back to conventional automatics.
@@MichaelSmith-kr9qwNissan did ditch the CVT. They have a 9 speed auto, and it’s ZF sourced.
@MrNismopro Their cars and smaller SUVs still use the CVT. Titan, Frontier and Pathfinder use the 9 speed I believe.
This is my favorite kind of content. Everyday vehicles!
In all my years of owning a Pilot, I have never drag raced it once. 😆
Pilots engine without a vtec make a lot difference,my 2016 awd Pilot i stop the clock a 6.5 seg
@@leonelsantamaria9653yup with the 9 speed it does about 6.4-6.5s and 1/4 mile would be almost the same if not a hair quicker as that pathfinder
The younger me would drag race a shopping cart. Hell, I drag raced a '78 Volare wagon I6 (110 hp) against a friends 4 door 72 Malibu 250 I6 (110 hp). We were so slow no one around us even noticed we were racing. After a long, long time, I thought the race was over, but he got me on the "top end" whatever that was.
@samwh4775 We've seen them do as low at 6.2 sec. to 60. Best hold on to that bad boy. Biggest mistake I made, back in 2018, trading my v6 2014 Accord Touring for a 2018 Accord Sport 2.0t instead of a remaining loaded brand new 2017 EXL V6 Accord. HONDA is now catering to the market of people who look at vechiles as appliances in terms of which one is most efficient.
New Pilots drive nice. I was blown away by how tight it is and how amazing it handled on back roads. It feels small compared to the smaller Passport. The new Passport feels like an old slug in comparison in the corners.
The new Passport will be awesome when it comes out.
The front of that mazda looks so clean. Just looks classier than the rest
My mom has one imo I really wonder if he is running premium or regular on the mazda because it loses 40 hp using the low octane and I feel like the cx9 on premium is actually really fast
@@anthonycruz8011Yes this is an important point. To be precise, every Mazda engine is supposed to be running premium no matter the trim or size. This is because of the technology and high compression ratio of Mazda engines. Long term, it’s horrible on one of those Skyactiv engines to be running low octane fuel. I used to work at Mazda and older engines that weren’t being treated right had the most expensive issues. Use premium!!
@@christianbryant5617 that's pretty dumb on mazda's part but that would explain the 2.2 turbo diesel engine issues
@christianbryant5617 I agree I have the 2022 MX-5 and always use 91. The dealer told me I could use either. I asked him , "Wouldn't that reduce the longevity of the motor?".He responded, "No, you will just get less hp. I know better though.
@@christianbryant5617 For older Mazda engines this was true. I have a 23 CX-9 and run 87 octane. I ran both 87 and 91, and in everyday driving there is no appreciable difference. I wonder if they had it in sport mode? The transmission definitely holds gears longer and it raises the idle rpm. You take a hit in economy, but it sure seems to pull harder in sport mode. I've also found that you can't brake torque a new Mazda. It bogs off the line. Best to just floor it
NISSAN
Nissan needed that win!
To be honest
The car with the oldest motor won that VQ35DE with direct injection the only change on it
Actually it’s a VQ35DD and it was made in 2017. Still old, but a beast.
I was looking forward to a drag race like this. The Mazda CX-9 did well, but would have been nice to see these other mainstream SUVs against the CX-90.
Wouldn’t even be a competition lol. Didn’t think the older CX9 wouldn’t be first in this case either. Was surprised fs
Can we just talk about how the new M5 weighs more than all of these
😬😬😬😬
Just bought a 2024 Pathfinder SL AWD, 3-4 weeks ago, and it rides beautifully. Very tight suspension, comfortable seating and a lot of room. Very, very pleased with our new ride. Would highly recommend the Nissan Pathfinder.
the cx-9 might be old but it still has a lot of torque and it looks the most attractive out of all the suvs
Heck yeah, love these types of races.
Damn how the cx9 the 4 cylinder engine took second place against 3
6 cylinder engines and it's a 2016 model that's just amazing
Appreciate the race Sam👍🏾
Appreciate your support 👍👍
Thanks for the amazing videos, would love to see more videos of economy cars drag racing.
More to come!
Nissan
Why is it every vehicle chosen is a 6 cylinder except the Mazda? Mazda does make a inline 6. Whats fair is fair.
Should have done the new cx90 with the inline 6 turbo!!!!
Turbo 4 makes a lot more sense here vs N/A 6s. No one need a video to guess that the inline 6 turbo will thrash everyone else here lol
@@Kaykaytrupka nah they should do it with the phev version cuz it’s quicker and still is na
Great video. I wonder new Pathfinder vs CVT Pathfinder what will be the results
Not even close. Cvt Pathfinder is about 7.8 seconds compared to this model averaging about 6.6.
Love this real world content!!
I would imagine a NON Trailsport version of the Pilot to be quicker. They are lower with much better tires for speed, and less weight.
Pathfinder for me, just needs the new Rogue's infotainment system, also can't wait for the Outlander PHEV, Tuscon/Sportage PHEV, and RAV4 Prime drag race.
Enjoyed the race 😊
Now let’s see the Pilot, Highlander, and Pathfinder rock & roll Japanese style.
Is it too late for the last gen pilot to be in one of these races
A T E and left no crumbs…
Enjoyed the race, but you guys didn’t have enough room to truly rock & roll.
2022 Pathfinder 2wd platinum owner here. At 37k miles and still as awesome as the first day. Never had a single issue. Still love driving it every day. Sport mode is noticeably faster than standard.
Love the drone shot at 5:00. Can see how much smaller the Mazda is than the competition. It’s a class size down from the pilot and pathfinder
Were u running premium fuel in the cx9? Makes a noticeable difference in performance.
Ok I never thought of these but wow madness
The mazda cx 9 being the only one with a 4 cylinder on this drag was the real winner..
4 cylinders = 💩
@xsej4223 Also the only one with a turbo which more than makes up for the 4-cyl when it comes to performance, except when it comes to high-end torque as we've just watched lol.
4 cylinder sounds like a grinder, coarse engine for sure. 4 cylinders should be kept on a sedan not for a 3 row SUV.
@@uaeelectronicsThe turbo actually seems to cut down on the sounds. At higher revs, Japanese 4 cylinders sound good...unless you put on those stupid resonator tips. Wait til you hear the base engine on the Chevy 1500 is a 2.7L turbo 4
Even though the mazda having a 4 cylinder engine with turbo , it has less peak HP which is really matters in high speeds also less gears to play with yet it still holding up with the other 6 cylinder suv’s
That is madness !! 🤯🔥
Love it
Realizing that the R51 Pathfinder (2005-2012) smokes them all (including the new "Pathfinder")...priceless.
11:20 is a priceless moment reaction,looks at him😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂
Hi Sam. I think this was the first time a four way drag & roll race was done. Like what you mentioned in the video, a four way race would be dangerous for high performance vehicles. As for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L being slow there are two reasons for that. The V6 engine has good horsepower numbers coming in at 293. However, the downfall was the pound feet of torque which is just 260. The other three vehicles had torque numbers more than 260. The Jeep Grand Cherokee L comes in at a length of 205 inches long. At 205 inches long, that automatically means it's a heavier vehicle. What Jeep should've done when they came out with this fifth generation in 2021 as the 2021 model year, they should've increased the torque numbers to 270 for this third row seating vehicle to compensate for the weight. I also have the Jeep Grand Cherokee L. However, mine is different. Mine is the 2023 model year in the Summit Reserve trim with the HEMI V8 engine with 357 horsepower along with 390 pound feet of torque. A good performer. Maybe during a mid-cycle refresh for the Jeep Grand Cherokee L, maybe they will increase the torque numbers for the V6 engine. If they do, I hope it'll be 270 or 275. One thing they will do is introduce one or two new engines for the mid-cycle refresh of this fifth generation.
Pathfinder reached deep to find some Gojira and pull it out 😂
Nice Race . Nissan wow😮😮
plz put the mic and camera for all drivers so the reaction will be so amazing
We had a Cherokee L for a rental and I can confirm it is SLOW! Recently had Chrysler Voyager and Pacifica rentals and they oddly felt much faster despite having the same Pentastar V6. Guess its the weight.
You can call the VQ old, but it still does what it needs to! And WHOA, that fuel economy was surprising. The VQ has never been known for fuel efficiency. BTW the regular Pathfinder is rated at 284hp.
The L pairs better with the V8 which smokes all its competition try the non L with the V6 that thing is quick
To be fair tho, it's still the better option. Better quality, better tech, pretty reliable. Also optioned with a V8 it's insanely good.
@@stellaa1328 Ehh. It was in unremarkable in my eyes. Also rode very floaty. Quality wise, on the base and mid-trim levels it’s no better than the mainstream competition, but on the upper trims it gets much nicer… but it better for the price.
@@bigd7386 I mean keeping it competitive, from what I've experienced the quality base, mid, and high compared to the competitors base, mid, and high are either on par or just flat out better. Like comparing an Explorer to the Grand Cherokee low, mid level, higher spec, the Jeep will remain better imho.
I race the Pacifica I confirm is faster . I race it with my Cx9 with the 3.7 engine . The Mazda is faster
Good Ol VQ 💪
Is the CX9 still offered new in other markets?
Pilot looks asleep on the tree 2x lol the 3rd drag race was the best one.
I recently traded in my top trim mazda CX9 Signature for the top of the line Mazda CX90 Turbo-S Premium
The CX9 not only felt faster, but had much better steering feel...the steering wheel would glide smoothly and effortlessly...it felt so light
The steering on the CX90 feels tight and heavy
Sound system was also better on the CX9 but maybe its because it had the same exact Bose Centerpoint system as the CX90 in a smaller car
The design of the LED headlights are what miss the most...the CX90 doesnt even come close in headlight design
I love my CX90, the interior is so much nicer and the car is much more luxurious and imposing...but the CX9 was no slouch at all
The Nissan Pathfinder makes 285 HP in the Platinum trim (sourced directly from Nissan's website). You quoted 295 HP. The only Pathfinder to get 295 HP is the Rock Creek edition (or all Infiniti QX60s). You may want to edit that.
Not really they have not changed the motor,even my older one has a noticeable difference on premium.
I think the engin adapts to higher octane,it may just have good air to fuel ratio and a hotter spark.
Nissan has been doing the small to midsized well for a long time.
The best thing is the 9 speed tranny
Did the Mazda have premium fuel? If not it’s only 225hp
Very good Nissan 3.5 V6 9 AT... Fast and eco💪🙌
Awesome race no matter the cubics.
Having test driven the Pathfinder and owning that gen Pilot, I expected the PF to take it. The acceleration off the line is great.
I am also confident both the Pathfinder & Pilot (not the Trailsport seen here) can give 29-30 mpgs if you cruise at the posted speed limit.
Nice one.. 😁 having a vehicle that's quick wether, Van, Truck or SUV is a plus who wants to be stuck behind a sloww moving vehicle.. if you're fast you get by, if you're slow you got to wait till the next passing lane and hope it's long enough
The old girl still putting up a good fight! Love to see it :D Great video!
interesting choice using a cx9 and not the cx90 that replaced it
I'm a bit disappointed with Honda for ditching the J35 v-tec engine. That thing is awesome.
Agreed. Honda seems to be keeping that for MDX duty
People make fun of the Jeep but considering that the 3.6L is now 14 years old and still does not use direct injection, and it is powering the heaviest of these 3, it does very well. It is one of the last simple and decent V6 engines left.
I wish you guys did the ford explorer 2020-2024 with the 2.3l Ecoboost
I tried
I wish I can see the 2024 Sonata N line racing one day 🙌🏾
How did that only 4cyl able to maintain the second place in most runs?
Which one handles the best?
I want to see them do some laps on the track. The only one I didn't test drive was the Jeep. For me, the Mazda was hands-down the most nimble in terms of handling.
Should've had an explorer in this race too
Lots of competition in this class, either engine would mostly likely won.
Finally a honda pilot race we need more
The new Honda Pilot and Ridgelines are fast!! I have both.
I have '24 CX-5 Turbo. Wonderful car about town. That fat torque curve makes driving feel effortless. Live in the SW and turbos are excellent in the mountains. Perfect car for soon-to-be empty nesters.
How long ago was this filmed and why didn't you use the CX-90 instead of the 9?
@@diamondjim76 take a guess
@@SamCarLegion I mean, it is a V6 Turbo but still a V6. It would still be fun to see the comparison.
Why would you not go with the Mazda CX-90 being that that’s the current model?
They didn’t stop selling cx9?
I've seen some really slow numbers in road testing of the GC L with the V6 and so had low expectations for it. But I'm genuinely surprised it kept up in a lot of the races with some of the other really quick SUVs. Considering it's only got 260 ft/lbs of torque and weighs over 5100lbs. The standard GC is a lot lighter and should do considerably better.
I have a '24 Pilot Elite, like it overall but it could do with about 30 more HP/30 more lbs ft of torque. You can definitely feel its weight driving around. Once it gets up and going it's not too bad but not as quick or light on its feet as the previous gen.
I heard the last Gen pilot was faster lol
@@CARBONHAWK1because it had a VTEC, Honda's R&D failed this time. They give it only a 5 HP bump while increasing its weight much more. Maybe it's time for Honda to use a turbo charged 3.0L V6
@@uaeelectronicsno plz no turbos. There’s enough of those already. Keep the NA 3.5 of Nissans and Hondas. I have 2018 odyssey and before a 08 odyssey and they go. Love hearing the V6. Just wish the new 9 speed AT was little smoother
Can’t believe you paid 70 grand for a Honda Pilot Elite when you could’ve gotten a better product for less money i.e. Nissan Pathfinder, Mazda CX-90. Pilot feels like a VAN. Trade that garbage in.
@@aazanahmed8325 Your Nissan Pathfinder and Mazda CX9 are smaller and unreliable than the pilot. The Pilot is the most rugged amongst them dear.
Is this the same race track that Throttle House uses? Just curious
It’s an old airport we both use
sorry bro, I have got an VQ35HR under my pants
Would love to see the telluride and palisade in the next one!
Anyone know when the Cherokee is gonna get the Hurricane?
That Mazda does very well!
I think the elite or touring model of the pilot would have better performance
bc the different tires
Why do people think the 2.0 Honda is Faster than the 2.5 sonata N-Line. Can someone please explain!
Had a feeling the VQ would come out the winner. A fine-tuned VQ35 is used in their 350Z lineup, therefore the engine does have a racing heritage behind it. But was surprised to know that it did very well in the mileage department.
At 4600 pounds it is one of the heaviest out there.
My 2022 Ram is a quad cab 4x4 and it's right at 5000 pounds.
I wish they kept the vtec in the pilot the previous gen pilot was way faster the current gen.
Mazda driver @11:20 was PRICELESS, LOL!
Mitsubishi needs to enter this space with a new Endeavor
That's actually a Nissan Rogue with a set of jump seats in the back.
My 2019 Pathfinder has the cvt.
It is quick but not as quick as it could be.
It raises up and gets squirrelly.
I know there is more power but need new tires
Cx9 is perfect 😮💨
I noticed the 2024 pathfinder is larger than my 2019.
The 2024 is more stream line and has larger tires
Grand Cherokee L RWD, I think would have been a better match.
Great video though.
Not available in Canada
@@SamCarLegion That makes some good sense, the weather & terrain can be much more exciting in Canada 🇨🇦. I love that place, I use to own the GCL, RWD. It would not do well, but the AWD did some amazing things.
A great channel! As always Sam.
Why not cx90 instead of cx9 ? It also has v6
Inline 6, and I totally agree