Mini Drak, Dart XL Enhanced, and Aggressor Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Mini Drak, Dart XL Enhanced, and Aggressor Comparison. Forwards swept wing designs.
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They all have sleek designs, what a trio of awesome rigs! Sweet vid man.
A nice, balanced review Andrew. I’ve only flown my Mini Drak once. But it was so smooth and locked it. Can’t wait to fly it again. I can’t comment on the other 2, not flown them.
Andrew I just built the Zohd, and was super fast, 2 hours from box to maiden flight, CG by the book, 4000 turnigy battery, just fantastic, nothing bad to report, and I got the fist model, so got my love.
I would love a mini drak..looks stunning and really well built.
Nice comparison of these (3) Models. Each one scratches a slightly different itch ;-) See you in the Air!
In terms of the Mini Drak, you can turn it into a loafer with extended wings and a tail boom. I'm a couple of weeks away from having one in the air. With a 5200 mah 4S, she'll stay in the air for an hour plus, so I'm told. Great FPV cruiser.
Great job comparing and contrasting these three nice models! Cost is probably worth a mention though - although I appreciate the Mini Drak is good quality foam etc. it's pretty expensive for an airframe-only kit. Prices for the others change all the time with offers/coupons/etc. but currently the PNP Aggressor is the cheapest, then the Mini Drak (with no motor/prop/esc/servos of course.), then the PNP Dart XL?
That's about right, but prices and availability change
Andrew, Great comparison of all Planes in this video...! I still can't get over the speeds that you fly at, How smooth they seem to fly through the Air even with winds pushing against the craft. I didn't know that Styrofoam could be so rigid and not break apart under pressure's...! I am a Quadcopter/Multirotor pilot but I still enjoy watching your skills, abilities, crafting out these kits, the builds and then the flying.... it's all Awesome..! Here in the USA, the RC Hobby back years ago was quite expensive. My first plane was like a Cessna something or other, gas engine, fuel etc., but it 2 strings that I think that made it go up or down, but the pilot had to spin around in a circle.... not RC controlled..! Born in 1949, I think I was 10 or 12 when I got it..? The other day I caught a video on YT, JohnnyQ90, he bought a 1/4 Scale 2 cycle Nitro Engine for RC. This little thing fit in the palm of his hand, tiny..! Later he got a 4 cycle one, but it was a V-4, air or water cooled. He did a Video on the Air cooled, then said he wanted to try the water cooled, but he said he'd have to build a radiator and a water pump..! In his little machine shop, raw stock, looked like brass or copper..? He built the radiator, the water pump and later on an Exhaust system... These little Engines actually RUN on Nitro 10% to 20%, he used Glow-plugs to get it running and holy Cow it was amazing...! Later I watched another Video on 1/4 Scale Dragsters racing on a strip with the Christmas Tree lights, staging and doing burn outs...! I had no idea things had come that far along in the RC world...! Check out JohnnyQ90 if ya want and check out the tiny working Motors/Engines...! =)
Thanks. RC certainly has evolved. Subbed to JohnnyQ90, what amazing skills
The Mini Drak is definitely in a class of it's own. It is extremely strong as I have tried many times to prove it's durability. The speed takes some getting used to. That being said, with a good setup, and dependable FPV signal, the Mini Drak may not be the most efficient range wise, but it is a thrill to fly.
Good comparison, difficult though it was. Just goes to show it's best not to assume planes are similar based only on layout.
Great job with the comparison! I would buy the Dart XL.
The one bad thing I can say about all those beautiful planes: I don't have any of them! Now, which forward swept wing to choose from? No idea! Thanks again and keep flying.
Ha! That is a problem
Depends on your flying experience and what you are looking for I guess.
I'd love a mini drak for shorter fast FPV blasts but if I was looking for a longer range platform I think the Aggressor not only flys great but also looks fantastic in the air too.
Not so much a fan of the Dart XL due to its barn door nose and multitude of winglets, turbulators etc... which I find really ugly. I much prefer a sleek, smooth airframe. Each to their own though.
Love this Kind of comparison it just goes to show it should be flown at its own level and not overloaded .
this is one of the reasons some of this type of wing fails is when you set it up for what you want instead of what it can do
thanks Sir Andrew you are always a breath of fresh air when it comes to common sense
Take Care Have a great weekend
Thanks Robert. Rain has set in so no flying but soothing sounds on our tin roof
@@AndrewNewton sometimes that rain on the roof is like a reset button to just take a break
Nicely done Andrew!
As I stated seven videos's ago, my preference, and you have just proven it..
Just needs to be made from dense EPP though!
Thanks..
What a wonderful vlog sir Andrew! It answered my questions regarding my next build!!
Great to hear!
This was the video I needed to see! Thx for uploading!
No problem!!
Huge fan if the forward swept wings that have made a resurgence! Couldn't say no to this video, based on the epic thumbnail! Unfortunately my wallet has kept my collection to only the ZOHD Dart - fine with me, she's my favorite on iNav and 3s Li-ion. Can't wait to build an Aggressor with a simple panning FPV cam
Perfect for the big stable Aggressor
I like them all!
good and bad? in anything, fast is good, slow is good, depends on how you feel at the time,
but wings are the best.....for me anyway,
great vid as always Andrew..
Wings do stack well so the domestic manager can't see how many you actually have
@@AndrewNewton haha, but the financial advisor see's ALL!! (worst luck)
I think talking about efficiency, the mini drak is probably the most efficient when speaking in wh/km! comparing the consumption from those 3 flights, you can fly them all around 6-7 amps on around 50kph. Just the mini Drak was consuming less and its throttle was low in the 15-20%. seems the mini Drak has a very wide band of flying speed with very low stall speed as well ...
Yes it get places quickly.
You need to get a full sized Drak now. The density of the foam in these models are insane
Had my mini drak cruising around at 100 mph, and faster when really trying. It really is a fun plane
Might be too big and mean for me
Awesome flight comparisons Andrew! Question: Do you think the Agresser could be used for mapping with a few modifications?
Depends what sort of camera. The flight characteristic would be perfect but maybe not deep enough internal space.
@@AndrewNewton Thanks for your reply Andrew. I was just wondering because I love the look of this plane but I was thinking about being able to tell wife that it could be used to make money! That makes buying much easier if she thinks I might make her some extra spending$$ 😂😂😂😬😬
Aggressor reminds me of a goose in flight with it's long neck and big body lol
Why do you think the mini drak would be a terrible slope soarer? You don't go into the reason.
Thanks
Wrong airfoil, might be good for a gale and big slope
Unbelievable! Just got my Agressor! 4days!! That's a record. Well boxed, no damage, my kit has the fuse in 2 bits. Will make it easier to fit my edf.
You're a mad man, but I'm keen to see your results
Maybe the Aggressor can be slower but with only 1100kv and a 10x5 prop you won't get much speed from it.
Prop will be limited at around 110km/h
With 1250kv and 9x6 prop it will be around 145km/h
Already a big change.
You fly the other with 2000kv 7x5.
It will be around 190km/h
(kv*0.8) *16v with 5 or 6" pitch calculated back to km/h
So there isn't a big difference between them.
Just bought one second hand almost new. Original setup.
Good information thanks. It would be sucking heaps of current at those higher speeds.
Almost finished for an Inav maiden.
(my first flight)
Copied from my Bixler and adjusted where needed and reset the pids. Gave a little more than standard.
Will use a 9x6 HQ APC on 4s original motor.
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Nice and honest review Andrew!
Thanks! 👍
Wow you have a lot of planes
nice comparison and just shows that 3 similar wings fly very different, would of been nice to see the Rambler in the mix, but 3 are enough
Rambler is coming. Might compare the Dart XL to the Rambler seeing they are cousins. Might have to put a helmet on for the flak maybe.
@@AndrewNewton Im getting shot of my rambler, made the decisio to not do fpv or distance, sticking to boring old LOS,
Hi Andrew,
Can you remember where the CoG is on the Aggressor?
Don't have a manual, can't find one and the only hint on rcgroups doesn't seem right to me.
(just after the black leadingedge stripe at the servo protection hubs)
When I do that I have even a 4s5000 almost past the rear velcro slot. And when having it on the launch grips it wants to tilt quite much to the front.
So no idea right now and it's too heavy to gamble on it.
Banggood says 40mm from some point of the leading edge.
Thank you in advance.
On the CG marks
@@AndrewNewton
Ah found them. The two embossed stripes on the outside of the wing. Didn't noticed them as CG.
Still prette far on front but it's a start. Sweptwing and big fuselage will probably shift it to the front.
It's indeed on 40mm from leading edge.
Thanks
I noticed there's a lot of vibration in the camera with the aggressor, seen other reviews where that was a problem to
Just have to rebalance the prop
Hi Andrew great info on the models thanks. I have the Agressor and it's a beautiful smooth wing to fly but I'm not sure why mine draws so many more amps than yours, using the standard prop too. On 50% throttle it sits around 12-15 amps and barely goes under 10 cruising around. On launch it goes to about 58 at 1900 throttle on auto launch. Also I had a bad accident launching normally and had 4 stitches in my finger so I try throw it sideways from just inside the wing which went well a few times but yesterday changed to a 9.5 x 6 folding propeller and failed twice and snapped a wing off.. 🙄😢 May try the autolaunch with a delay next and 3d print a better grip for the bottom too 👍 thanks for any feedback and keep up the good work
I think that he is using 4s. Are you using 3s? That would explain it.
@@MatthewHeiskell no I'm using 4s too. I think either one of us something is up. I would think the big motor and prop on the aggressor would pull more amps than the dart xl for sure with same throttle. Is there a way to check the correct amount?
@@Nicklz5555 Instead of focusing on amps at 50% throttle, focus on amps per distance (Ah/mile or Ah/km). His 50% throttle is probably at a slower cruising speed.
@@MatthewHeiskell ill have a look at the osd settings but I just thought amps were amps at a given throttle. It draws almost 60 on launch at 1900 throttle which is more than expected with that prop motor combo I guess. I don't think it's really too high but I do think Andrews is very low compared
@@Nicklz5555 Have you calibrated your current sensor? 60 Amps sounds unbelievably high. What is the ESC rated for?
Hello.
One of my friends at my RC group recommending you when I asked for help finding a “decent” RC seaplane that can fly at a Lake. Got any good plane that are still in stock that you can recommend to me?
Thanks heaps, stay safe :)
Sorry Nerd, not my area of expertise. I tried the Ripple a few years ago and it kept filling with water. ruclips.net/user/AndrewNewtonAustraliasearch?query=ripple
Sorry to butt my big nose in, but think I can help out. Typically, I fly FPV quads, but dabble in planes more and more recently. I love seaplanes, and here in E. Florida, they let you fly anywhere.
The UMX planes on floats aren't great, too light to handle any chop. The Tundra is good, as are the Timber and Apprentice (both of which have SAFE self leveling, es muy bueno). But thats all expensive.
For $100, the Joysway Dragonfly is absolutely... amazing. Formerly sold as the Hobbyking Skipper, it's an all-terrain situation, so grass, snow, and water takeoff and landings. It uses cheap 1500-2200 3s lipos, and flies great without a stabilizer.
Awesome thanks guys.
I have a question for you Sir Andrew, but it's a lengthy question for a quite likely short answer....
The whole reason (well, excuse) for me getting interested in the hobby is/was that I wanted to scan terrain for use in 3D modelling car racing sims...
Until recently it looked like I was going to need to spend thousands of dollars on software to do this, once having captured the photos....
Recently I found that the name of what I wanted to do is called Photogrametry & that there is fee software out there thanks to a trio of clips from Un burro Volando FPV...
So, my question is, what would be the most suitable plane, in your opinion, for a job like this, that can be set up on the 'cheap', please?
(Well, cheaper than a ready-to-fly commercial unit!)
Also, what camera would you suggest would be best?
I had though one of the RunCam Splits- possibly either of the 4K options....
I already have a 'spare' Sky Hawk with a single pusher which should have enough internel room for a flight controller & a belly camera, but Im wondering what other options that might be more suitable that Im probably missing due to lack of knowledge gained so far in the hobby...
Attached are the links to videos on the subject but you will need to enable closed captions as it might as well be in Espenola for all I can understand of it 3:) ;)
Thank you for your time & I hope this might even spark an interest for you too!
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Mini Talon springs to mind. Heaps of space and cheap. Do you need to have a camera that doesn't have the fisheye distortion or does the software correct it?
@@AndrewNewton From what I understand the software can correct the fish-eye, & indecently 'Superview', to some extent, but it is preferable to have less-than 'action cam' field of view or more like a traditional field of view such as 55mm down to 29mm in the 35mm sizing (not sure what that is in modern digital....
I MISS FIL:M! :v )
I have here a Sony 'Cybershot 14.7Mp 26mm 2,7-5,7/4,7-18,8' (f-stop Im guessing) that could be used, although Im reluctant to pull it apart & re-solder the switch like old mate does in his clip I shared above...
Would also me nice to make it a permanent fitting inside plane rather than having to pull it out all the time... ;)
I'd love to see a comparison between the Albabird, Binary and Dragon
The Dragon has flown to other regions but I can do the other two. Next up with the AlbaBird is a prop rotation comparison.
@@AndrewNewton I've a Dragon still in one piece, if reqd...
You put on your fpv goggles only when the plane is high in the air? Same for landing? I have never tried one, and was always wondering.
Not always. Goggles off for hand launches, on for wheeled takeoffs. Goggles on for most landings
Any plans to do a DIY forward swept wings plane?
I did do a cardboard one, not the best
Ordered the Agressor and will be modding it with a Alloy 70mm EDF😀...edit.
Any advice on thrust angle Andrew?. Any pushers I've made in the past have been neutral with the wing
You're on your own there Duke. No idea about EDFs.
You do know that Ducted Fans are very inefficient compared to a prop right?
Yes they can be. Need good high discharge batteries. Edfs need to be very balanced. If you learn the correct parameters to set them up they work very well. Lots experience crashing/building jets of all shapes and sizes...lol🙃
@@dukejet6997 Sounds like a really pointless idea. It's not designed for DF...and won't fly very well with one..plus the flight time will be very short.
Hello! May I ask? Is the Dart on stock motor Esc? 4s? Thanks!
Yes, it is
I probably shouldnt say this as I cant say much as I dont fly these sort of planes, tbh cant see the point in swept forward wings apart from massive battery space not only that one of them seems to waggle side to side so much I couldnt watch, is it a Star Wars thing or just a novel way of vourism, to take place from above so the observed can look up and say oh wow look a star fighter plane up there! as they are being filmed? just my opinion good flying great videos thanks Andrew.
They all waggle a bit. Cool marketable looks might be a big part of the design brief
👏👏👏👏👏great video
Love your videos, but most of all, thank you for wearing a mask! So many people here in the US just aren't concerned about protecting each other.
Thanks Sam. Having worked in hospitals for almost 40 years I know they work. I even wear a mask when I jog at the moment. It's all about doing my small bit to hasten the end of this pandemic.
👍👌
My only criticism is the picture quality of all your drones not the drones them self's.
Standard definition FPV quality.
Nice video. Regards from canada
Greetings to the cold north
Was mention made of price comparisons ?
No, I generally leave that up to the viewer. Prices differ depending on where you are.
hey sir i have a 250g dart with ko pilot but it keeps crashing on launch please help sir
More information required
@@AndrewNewton i will head out to get u some dvr i realy appreiciate it buddy thank u so much for even responding to me i know u must be extreamly busy thank u
@@AndrewNewton i have the dvr i will post it on my channel this tyme it broke completey in half i cried on the inside
agressor can't go fast ... so no victims cause they can fly away easily.
lol the ending
They are so noisy but we love them
The mini drake is out of stock everywhere in Europe 😰
Hard to find anywhere
The Drac is for the whiny prop fanboys with deep pockets...Personally, I think the Aggressor has the best all round flight characteristics. This was best demonstrated when you initially flew it LOS.
It's a unique wing, quite a surprise.