I have been watching many of your videos, but after this one I decided to patreon you, Nikola. You have earned it and you should have way more supporters than you have at the moment. Keep on creating these detailed videos. There is a lot we can learn from you about long distance FPVing and RC in general. Great stuff!
Thank you mate, really appreciate the support! I really am glad that apparently I manage to create some good content for you guys!
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It's been over 1 year since I asked you for help picking out the components to assemble an RC Plane for Long Range FPV ... here it is finally after several serious accidents, childlike mistakes of apprentice ...Are you flying this Sunday? Excellent video, let's move on to the next challenge, thanks for sharing with us ... Best regards ... What's new on my channel? I published my first video with Ranger 757-3 FPV with Arkbird and R9M from Frsky ... after numerous accidents, finally I managed a controlled flight to more than 2 km .. you are always welcome !!!
Arx: This was another high speed, well photographed strategy tips video where I gleaned your admonition to us that pre-planning needed wire lengths was main nugget. I can see that otherwise, the wiring would be a rats nest, and just add unnecessary weight to the plane. I also like your use of the AKK equipment for its economy and functionality. Keep this stuff coming! - Jim
Thanks for the awesome video! I see that you do not use a magnetometer and airspeed sensor, which traditionally I've always done with Arduplane. However I've found that both those sensors are the most tempermental. Do you find that Arduplane performs okay without those sensors even in high-wind situations?
Well... I've seen people only having issues with those on planes, and I've had tones of issues with them on copters, so I tend not to use the magnetometer for that very reason... as well as the airspeed sensor! So far, at least personally, I've not suffered any problems because of this, neither during auto missions, nor while flying myself!
Hey man, great video. You start just naming boards and products without saying what they do or what they are. Could you make an explanation about what a ardupilot system actually needs? I love the video but i dont know what im looking at, what are these products and what do they do. Thanks!
Right, well... I guess there is always something to improve on, isn't there? :) Not sure when I could get around to making such an update, but lets see... hopefully soon!
EXCELLENT video Nikola! I have built a few aircraft and am no beginner, but you have showed me many good tricks here to make the process and the electronics more efficient and reliable. Thanks mate. Happy flying!
You are welcome mate, glad this is helpful! I have ordered some stuff and will make another video with an even simpler process for this... that is IF all works out as I think it will! :)
I still remove the diode, 5V BEC to bottom rail of the board, so my servos plug directly to the board, more confident with that instead of making external wire harness cause you know those wires can break at solder point sometimes. :-(
How can I connect 2 ESC in this FC ? And how much current can be passed through the FC's current sensor? Can you make a build video of a twin motor fpv plane with differential thrust using this flight controller. By the way this explanation was great.
Thanks! You just connect the two ESCs to two different outputs, and them select the appropriate settings in the "Servo Output" tab in Mission Planner - Motor Left and Motor Right! Not sure I will be able to get to making a video about that soon... though we will see... may not be on this plane specifically... but the process is all the same!
@@ArxangelRC not including the airframe just powertrain, avionics, pov setup, battery. I studied aerospace engineering but would love to get into this hobby, would design my own airframe
Well... depending on parts... could be made within 200 USD I think! But that would also depend on size! As it grows... the autopilot could be the same, but motors, ESCs, props and battery would grow... and these become quite expensive when they get big enough!
Well... cheapest and simplest of the sort is the ZOHD Kopilot, but it doesn't have an OSD module, unless you wire in the antenna tracker module, which provide an OSD, but still requires some DIY, etc. Easiest solution, which includes the tracking data for the antenna tracker would be the MFD autopilot... but that is not exactly a budget version... although compared to a Cube... it could be considered one.
I was wondering if you could do something similar to this video but not a ground station setup? The closest I have seen is a crossfire and dragon link using pixhawk as FC. but then again they are all in separate videos. A complete video showing how they work together would be great. It’s easy to go and research the components on their own. But putting them together seems to be the thing where everyone seem to skip
@@ArxangelRC Thx for coming back to me on this. I would also like to do a bit of long range but I would not yet want to invest in a huge ground station. So the question is that rather using the Dragonlink as your FPV rather than the big ground station. Or if you can explain how you would setup your current system to be able to see the video feedback on something like goggles or a lcd display. The issue is that I'm not into ultra long distance - something like a good video feed at 10km would be all I need. Or you can mail met at johan.vdwerff@yahoo.com
Well, that should be pretty easy... a 1200mW Vtx paired with a quality Pagoda on the model, and a receiver with a Triple Feed Patch Array on a tripod, with a wire connecting to your goggles... pointed in the direction of the plane, should give you 10kms easy! Depending on altitude of course! If you move to the side too much, you will have to adjust the antenna position...
I might be missing something but it seems like the PDB and extra BEC are unnecessary... I've never had any issues powering my servos from the BEC of the ESC. It is merely to have a backup if the ESC burns itself so you can still glide home? If your ESC is rated to handle the expected current and has a temperature shutdown feature, should be ok. If you have a VTX and camera that can take full battery voltage, just power them directly off the battery. Less wiring and no custom harnesses needed. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have 6 builds that have been running ok like this for a good while. Then again if I flew at the distances and altitudes you do I might be inclined to be more concerned about power setup :) 9:32 shouldn't the video signal go through the FC if you want OSD?
Yes, exactly! I've had issues where the ESC experiences some kind of failure, servos become unresponsive... and all you can do it sit and watch how the plane nose dives at speed into the ground!!! Since then, on my bigger models... I have used a separate SBEC to power the servos for redundancy! As for the video stuff... I do prefer to have it powered from a filtered source in order to minimise interference in the video signal! And yes, the video signal should go through the FC for the OSD... I just animated the arrow from the wrong cable... but only noticed it when I uploaded it! :S
Well... the Matek F405 Wing is a bit more integrated: bit.ly/Wing-F405 and makes things a bit easier... but I don't think you can go much cheaper and still have adequate reliability! Here is the HOW-TO for that controller and ArduPlane: ruclips.net/video/DJipfp28rUc/видео.html
Well mostly Banggood and Aliexpress, and usually knowing what works takes time and testing, but over the years and all the experience I've gained... I could narrow things down, but it is mostly testing that really makes things clear!
Too good. Have you thought about putting a kit together for sale - all the electroncs in a plug and play fashion. ie a person without any electronics except a the motor and servos already in an empty plane - ready to install your kit ? People would pay for the convenience and not have to solder etc. I do now for by using a spektrum flight controllers and receivers and install myself. So limited but. Just an uninformed thought. I would be your first customer.:-) Regards from Sydney.
Well that would require time and money, both of which I don't have... to do and get going... and I have my doubts as to the success of it... would also take away from my ability to do the reviews and videos... which bad in my mind! Also... can't suit all plane sizes as each one has its own requirements for wire lengths, etc., and with the speed at which gear is being upgraded and is changing recently... by the time I have any "sets" put together... they would be old news and nobody would want them... I know from experience... sadly!
Can you PLEASE put a link to your servo crimping kit and where to get JST-SH connector kits as well? Those are the only things i cant find anywhere. Thanks so much for this video I am so excited to get started Ardupilot :)
Because recently RUclips has been deleting my links in the comments, I have added links for the crimping tool and the connector sets in the video description, so please check them out there!
Awesome and neat as always... I have a question please. Do you power the entire system from a single battery or you use a separate battery for the FPV system? Many Thanks
Thanks! Yes, I do power from 1 battery, hence the need for filtered regulators to power the FPV gear, so they can remove the interference caused by servos and the ESC/motor combo!
It is not clear to me how you connect the fc to the pdb. I understand from the video that the battery is plugged to the fc, and don't follow how you power the pdb... :( Did you upload to anywhere a connection diagram? Good job and thanks for sharing your experience!!
After going through the FC, via the power sensor, the wires then connect to the ESC, and there is a split wire from the ESC with battery voltage, that in turn connects and powers the PDB!
@@ArxangelRC My ESC doesn't have any additional JST connector with battery voltage, if I make a wire from fc to pdb and then on pdb battery pads make a "sandwich" cable -solder wires from fc to pdb and then from the same battery pads on pdb solder another pair of cables to esc - do you think it would work? Best regards :)
After fighting with ublox GPS not getting recognised after Ardupilot had done autoconfig, I figured out that I can connect the RX pin on the telefly used for GPS to a TX pin on the FC and set it to NMEA output in arduplane. Voila, it all works! (Think someone mentioned Mavlink as well, but no documentation for that).
I wish someone could do all the soldiering and build a complete kit with all these components. It would make it so much easier because I have absolutely no experience soldering haha.
Sure... not sure you'd like the price of the resulting product though! An alternative is the MFD Crosshair Autopilot, which is plug-n-play: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/337.html
That one requires no soldering or very much programming, and also works with the antenna tracker without the additional module, so basically you only need to connect a camera and a Vtx to it, and the radio receiver, and you're good to go! The GPS, power module and airspeed sensor come with it as a set and have their cables and connectors ready to just plug in and go.
Thanks for the video, do you use telemetry radios with your setup? I'm trying to figure out a combination of telemetry, video and RC frequencies for Long range. With my issue being that I wanted to use R9MM for RC, but SIK radio in US uses 915mhz
I use telemetry only for initial setup... which means pretty much LoS flights at close distance until I get the plane dialled in, and then remove the telemetry unit when I get to go long! Perhaps you could try 433Mhz radio for control... with 915Mhz telemetry... or the other way around!
@ 6:37 in the video you show a Runcam 3 wired to the PDB and a wiring hardness ( on the Runcam 3). Are you running 5v to the Runcam 3 and can you provide a link to the USB hardness plugged into the Runcam 3?
Hello, I own an iflight chimera 7 pro v2 o3 plane. I can install parts to it to increase communication distances or change the engine. I just want to buy parts to fly further or fly higher.
@@ArxangelRC okI bought an Iflight Chimera 7 Pro V2 O3 drone from Express for 800 euros. I am trying to buy any other parts, such as a video antenna. Sending signals to longer distances, but I do not know anything about how to install them or what I should buy or what is best for the planes to fly at farther distances or to higher altitudes (I mean at higher altitudes, such that am I forced to install more powerful engines or do I have to install the motherboard of the latest model and what should I do for it? Increase the voltage level of the battery to a larger size
@@mirchaat1390 Alright, so the Chimera is a quad, and I am not really an expert on quads, so it would be difficult for me recommend anything useful, but with these types of drones I don't think there is much you can do to noticeably improve flight times, etc., because these components for the most part are pretty good optimized out of the box nowadays! You can perhaps use better antennas for the video and control system, that should give you more stable link at longer distances, but really you should ask somebody who knows more about quads than me! :)
Thank you that was helpful, just one question, how did you power the PDB? directly through the battery or through filtered power from Omnibus' RAM port? Also, I have seen the magical yellow smoke apear from my omnibus V2 yesterday. Apparently, the wire used by me was thick and the positive battery input pad on omnibus is very small. It short circuited as the solder touched the copper lined hole for screws.
PDB has its own filters for the regulators on board, so I feed it power directly from the battery, but after it goes through the current sensor on the Omni, so it would measure that draw as well!
So for someone who has nothing at home and wants to build it, your parts list adds up to some $850 plus an airplane such as Volantex asw28 it will be about $1000 to get it done, not including shipping and a good camera tripod (but one can always tape the tracker to a table I guess). Is this right? I excluded the bigger camera, only considering the tiny one.
If you add in the tracker, then yes! It just needs to be fixed somewhere, but there are some pretty cheap tripods out there... so that shouldn't be much of an issue! I would definitely tell you that investing in a good radio and a good charger, at least in my experience, is a MUST, so it is worth spending a bit more money on! Once you have those... the cost of building additional planes drops down considerably, especially if you reuse the existing batteries!
Hi! I’m new to the hobby, and I was just wondering, what do you prefer, the Dart XL Extreme Enhanced, or the Talon Rebel GT? I am on a budget, and want to include autopilot and an Fpv system exactly like yours. Keep up the great work and stay safe!
I don't recommend the Micro GPS unit suggested in this video. I don't know how it works with Ardupilot, but it works horribly with iNAV, and you need iNAV if you want to fly with HD video (DJI FPV doesn't support Ardupilot telemetry). With iNAV it keeps disconnecting every minute or so. Also, it took me more than 10 minutes to get meager 6 satellites today. In flight both RTH and CRUISE stabilization failed with a suicidal nose dive. I tested exactly the same setup (Omnibus F4 Pro) with Beitiang BN-880 GPS and it worked like charm. But it was a really heavy GPS, this is why I decided to try the Micro GPS suggested here. Instead, I am going to use Beitiang BN-180, which also weighs only 4.8 g, and is recommended for iNAV.
That's the thing I don't get about iNav... so picky... such a whiny princess that firmware is! ArduPlane would just keep flying with or without a GPS unit... and I've yet to find one that doesn't work with it! Why even bother with iNav... since you've got a choice?
I just don't like the size of the antennas on the 1.2Ghz systems, and all the interference they cause with various other systems... filters that need to be used, etc., so am trying to keep away from it, but yes, that is the best solution so far for very long range video!
@ArxangelRC About the GPS system, are you able to pre-program a designated flight path into the UAV? Because in my area there are many flying restrictions and No-Fly-Zones within 5km of any airbase or airport.
Yes, this board is running full ArduPlane firmware and that does not have any flight restrictions, you can pre-program an autonomous mission with ease!
I have not heard of a tracker build in to mission planner! More to the point... if you are referring to the ArduTracker thing... got only 1 thing to say about that... life is too short to deal with it!!!
@@ArxangelRC This is the one I am referring to ardupilot.org/antennatracker/index.html I set it up and has been working great, I still need to install long range antennas, but so far very happy with the results
At some point I did waste some time trying to get this working... gave up and ordered the MFD tracker... have never regretted that decision! Also... I can do away with all that DIY, and additional telemetry units, etc.
Can you share diagram of the air unit video wiring, do you take video signal from fc to the air unit, or you make Y cable of the video (one for fc one for air unit) ?
The video goes from the camera to the flight controller so it would have the OSD overlay, then it goes from the flight controller to the antenna tracker module, so it would get the coordinates of the plane, so the antenna tracker on the ground would know where the plane is and rotate accordingly, and then it goes to the Vtx. In case you don't have an antenna tracker, the video signal would go directly from the flight controller to the Vtx.
Great board but i could never get the mavlink to work, could get osd no worries and gps but always no mavlink! Tried 3 or 4 boards . If you disconnect gps mavlink works , so frustrating so imwent to the dearer minipix, what am i missing here?
Yes, actually I have noticed something like this... for some weird reason... although... sometimes they do work together... sometimes they do not! Not sure why that is happening... but it just is... sadly... not a big issue for me since I do not rely on telemetry... or use it that often anyway... but for some people it might be an issue!
What does the compass do in the gps unit and do I need one. GPS units with compasses are more expensive and it would be super helpful to know if I need it.
You don't strictly need it on planes! Since they are always moving, the autopilot is more than capable of estimating a direction from the GPS data, so does not need a compass! They are, however, needed in case you would be running Auto missions in various weather conditions, for mapping for instance, or for VTOL and copter applications, where the model would be hovering in one spot for any amount of time!
Thought you need a audio transmission over the vtx for the MFD Antenna Tracker to work, or am i wrong ? Or is the audio signal also send over the video input ?
@@ArxangelRC Thanks :) !!! That question always creeped arround in my head and keept me away from getting a ATT System. Well i think a MFD Tracker would be a nice addition to my Longrange Setup :).
@@ArxangelRC Ok i got one last question. Whats the difference between the 6CH MFD Tracker version and the 12CH MFD version ? Sorry if i'm kinda annoying but i'm pretty curious ^^
Those are the slipring channels! Better get the 12ch version, because you can wire more stuff through it, that you can put on the tracker, and then can power and communicate with them without sacrifice the unlimited 360 degree rotation!
@@ArxangelRC I'm sorry this may be a dumb question, but does this mean that I can use this system to build an autonomous drone (what I'm wanting to build).
Well the Matek F765 Wing, and the Matek GPS unit should be a good match! I have a HOW-TO on the Matek F405 Wing, you can follow that one and it is pretty much the same for the F765 Wing.
The Omnibus, if you can still find it, is absolutely a viable option, but nowadays, unless cost is a major concern, I would recoomend you go with either the SpeedyBee F405 Wing - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBlyezP - or with the Matek F405 Wing - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkQYreN - both are much more convenient and easier to work with.
@@ArxangelRC Hi I saw the Speedybee F405 V3 (Stacked) in RUclips. He said it has built in ESC Can I use that part for RC Plane? It seems the part is commonly used for Drone
@@Indonesia01ian Well the ones with ESCs in them are usually for copters! Using that on a plane is possible, but it is never a good idea to have the ESC to motor cables be too long. Personally, unless I have no other choice, or I am constrained in terms of space A LOT, I would never use one of those for a plane.
Hi thank you so much for the information Finally, I bought my F405 Wing By the way, where should I plug my JHE42B Loss Signal Buzzer? There is no buzz socket information in the board@@ArxangelRC
@@Indonesia01ian I am not sure what to tell you... I have never used such a thing, not sure how it detects signal loss. The Wing controller has a buzzer on a small removable PCB along with the USB-C port.
Hiii I have a problem with the GPS. So both, the GPS and the omnibus are working. but the omnibus says there is no GPS attached. When i use the ociloscope to measure the rx and tx of the GPS i do measure something. Maybe i destroyed the connector on the omnibus. Is there a possibility to change the port where i need to attach the GPS?
Oh mate... not sure I want to get into that line of business! What are you looking for? Outfitting a plane for you? Or just building up the whole system and shipping you the components ready to be installed?
ArxangelRC Hi! Actually just the components teady ro install. I just ordered the Zohd Orbit Neon and I already have the Nano Talon. But I am not the best in electronics and sometimes the magic smoke visits me...😎 - therefore I would be interested to buy a RTF system that I just have to place in the airplane. I have some experience with the storm and tornado products but wiring and connect cameras with flight controller, Servos etc... no thanks (and I guess I am not the only one) maybe this is a business idea? Anyway, I am using a Frsky RC (just received the Jumper T16 RC as well) and I do have the EzUhf and the Dragonlink long range. However I think I have to concentrate only on one. Can‘t fly in Switzerland for more then 10 / 15km away...
Well... once you get to 15km out... what is stopping you getting even further out!? :P Not sure about this... my experience so far is that this is just stock and effort that will go to waste and will rot away in some box here... 1-2 people will buy it... but the labour costs to make this worthwhile for me would be high... because I would be taking time away from doing... well... this channel!
Pretty much all analogue video transmitters should be compatible with any analogue camera. 3W of power should be enough, I'd hope: www.akktek.com/products/vtx/ultra-long-range-vtx.html?acc=321 paired with this antenna, which I've had very good results with: www.akktek.com/products/antenna/akk-fpv-flat-panel-antenna.html?acc=321
Well I am not certain with the specifics of the F405 STD... but I guess it could work! You will need to read up on it and see if you have all of the connections! You will not have a power module, but all else should probably work!
@@ArxangelRC thanks for your kindness reply my comment and advice. I have been trying to make one and my friend said he would help me. I have built my plane from scratch (foam), sky surfer-like plane. He arranged the electronics and setup the FC with INAV (he said so).. but unfortunately, he burned the PDB and i have to buy new one. I hope it can fly like yours asap! 👍😍
Ah man. I want this to be my full time job as well!
Turning a hobby into a job.
I'm glad for you man!
Thanks! Not always the best of situations, but I am happy! :)
I have been watching many of your videos, but after this one I decided to patreon you, Nikola. You have earned it and you should have way more supporters than you have at the moment. Keep on creating these detailed videos. There is a lot we can learn from you about long distance FPVing and RC in general. Great stuff!
Thank you mate, really appreciate the support! I really am glad that apparently I manage to create some good content for you guys!
It's been over 1 year since I asked you for help picking out the components to assemble an RC Plane for Long Range FPV ... here it is finally after several serious accidents, childlike mistakes of apprentice ...Are you flying this Sunday? Excellent video, let's move on to the next challenge, thanks for sharing with us ... Best regards ... What's new on my channel? I published my first video with Ranger 757-3 FPV with Arkbird and R9M from Frsky ... after numerous accidents, finally I managed a controlled flight to more than 2 km .. you are always welcome !!!
Sounds great mate! Well done! Did you have FPV on that flight?
@@ArxangelRC hi, yes, you can see in my video, thank you, let's go forward...
:)
The best commentator tutorial video I have seen on tube great job
Thank you!
Arx:
This was another high speed, well photographed strategy tips video where I gleaned your admonition to us that pre-planning needed wire lengths was main nugget. I can see that otherwise, the wiring would be a rats nest, and just add unnecessary weight to the plane. I also like your use of the AKK equipment for its economy and functionality. Keep this stuff coming! - Jim
Thanks mate, appreciate it! :)
I like how you are using the creality blue pliers to cut the wires, I DO THE SAME THEY WORK GREAT!
Actually I have a set that came with the Ender 2, but I also had ordered a set separately, called something else... and they are identical! :)
Thanks for the awesome video! I see that you do not use a magnetometer and airspeed sensor, which traditionally I've always done with Arduplane. However I've found that both those sensors are the most tempermental. Do you find that Arduplane performs okay without those sensors even in high-wind situations?
Well... I've seen people only having issues with those on planes, and I've had tones of issues with them on copters, so I tend not to use the magnetometer for that very reason... as well as the airspeed sensor! So far, at least personally, I've not suffered any problems because of this, neither during auto missions, nor while flying myself!
Hey man, great video. You start just naming boards and products without saying what they do or what they are. Could you make an explanation about what a ardupilot system actually needs? I love the video but i dont know what im looking at, what are these products and what do they do. Thanks!
Right, well... I guess there is always something to improve on, isn't there? :) Not sure when I could get around to making such an update, but lets see... hopefully soon!
EXCELLENT video Nikola! I have built a few aircraft and am no beginner, but you have showed me many good tricks here to make the process and the electronics more efficient and reliable.
Thanks mate. Happy flying!
You are welcome mate, glad this is helpful! I have ordered some stuff and will make another video with an even simpler process for this... that is IF all works out as I think it will! :)
I still remove the diode, 5V BEC to bottom rail of the board, so my servos plug directly to the board, more confident with that instead of making external wire harness cause you know those wires can break at solder point sometimes. :-(
Once you have the heatshrink on, and if you use silicon wire... all should be good! :)
@@ArxangelRC correcto. Those are the 2 ingredients to get it right and reliable
Yup! :)
I just read your blog and wow - I was amazed to see how many documented projects you have, that is awesome! I'd like to start documenting mine too ;)
Thank you! It does take quite a bit of time and effort though!
I love your voice and your experience. And explanation is very good thansk alot 🤜
Thank you! Much appreciated! :)
Could you make a newer version of this video with newer components?
How can I connect 2 ESC in this FC ? And how much current can be passed through the FC's current sensor? Can you make a build video of a twin motor fpv plane with differential thrust using this flight controller.
By the way this explanation was great.
Thanks! You just connect the two ESCs to two different outputs, and them select the appropriate settings in the "Servo Output" tab in Mission Planner - Motor Left and Motor Right! Not sure I will be able to get to making a video about that soon... though we will see... may not be on this plane specifically... but the process is all the same!
I still use the trusty old cyclops storm osd. Super simple to install and works well. It’s never failed me.
Actually I have the Tornado... has been sitting brand new in a box for years now! Haven't opened it yet! :)
What would be an estimate cost for this full setup? Thank you!
You mean including the plane... or the autopilot and needed peripherals?
@@ArxangelRC not including the airframe just powertrain, avionics, pov setup, battery. I studied aerospace engineering but would love to get into this hobby, would design my own airframe
Well... depending on parts... could be made within 200 USD I think! But that would also depend on size! As it grows... the autopilot could be the same, but motors, ESCs, props and battery would grow... and these become quite expensive when they get big enough!
Too much expensive, does there any alternative under budget?? Please tell
Thanks. I have been looking for a cheaper FC than the mateks so I can cheaply equip some extra planes.
Glad this helps! :)
Great job! Is there not an also cheap but easy solution where all parts are plug and play? Where you don't have have to cut and solder everything?
Well... cheapest and simplest of the sort is the ZOHD Kopilot, but it doesn't have an OSD module, unless you wire in the antenna tracker module, which provide an OSD, but still requires some DIY, etc. Easiest solution, which includes the tracking data for the antenna tracker would be the MFD autopilot... but that is not exactly a budget version... although compared to a Cube... it could be considered one.
@@ArxangelRC great info!! Thank you so much
@@Larsonaut You are welcome mate.
I was wondering if you could do something similar to this video but not a ground station setup? The closest I have seen is a crossfire and dragon link using pixhawk as FC. but then again they are all in separate videos. A complete video showing how they work together would be great. It’s easy to go and research the components on their own. But putting them together seems to be the thing where everyone seem to skip
Ammmmm... so you want a video where I show how I connect the Dragonlink to this controller... and why? Not sure I follow exactly...
@@ArxangelRC Thx for coming back to me on this. I would also like to do a bit of long range but I would not yet want to invest in a huge ground station. So the question is that rather using the Dragonlink as your FPV rather than the big ground station. Or if you can explain how you would setup your current system to be able to see the video feedback on something like goggles or a lcd display. The issue is that I'm not into ultra long distance - something like a good video feed at 10km would be all I need.
Or you can mail met at johan.vdwerff@yahoo.com
Well, that should be pretty easy... a 1200mW Vtx paired with a quality Pagoda on the model, and a receiver with a Triple Feed Patch Array on a tripod, with a wire connecting to your goggles... pointed in the direction of the plane, should give you 10kms easy! Depending on altitude of course! If you move to the side too much, you will have to adjust the antenna position...
I might be missing something but it seems like the PDB and extra BEC are unnecessary... I've never had any issues powering my servos from the BEC of the ESC. It is merely to have a backup if the ESC burns itself so you can still glide home? If your ESC is rated to handle the expected current and has a temperature shutdown feature, should be ok. If you have a VTX and camera that can take full battery voltage, just power them directly off the battery. Less wiring and no custom harnesses needed. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have 6 builds that have been running ok like this for a good while. Then again if I flew at the distances and altitudes you do I might be inclined to be more concerned about power setup :)
9:32 shouldn't the video signal go through the FC if you want OSD?
Yes, exactly! I've had issues where the ESC experiences some kind of failure, servos become unresponsive... and all you can do it sit and watch how the plane nose dives at speed into the ground!!! Since then, on my bigger models... I have used a separate SBEC to power the servos for redundancy! As for the video stuff... I do prefer to have it powered from a filtered source in order to minimise interference in the video signal! And yes, the video signal should go through the FC for the OSD... I just animated the arrow from the wrong cable... but only noticed it when I uploaded it! :S
Nice build
Any other way for autopilot to reduce the cost or Is this the last option ?
Well... the Matek F405 Wing is a bit more integrated: bit.ly/Wing-F405 and makes things a bit easier... but I don't think you can go much cheaper and still have adequate reliability! Here is the HOW-TO for that controller and ArduPlane: ruclips.net/video/DJipfp28rUc/видео.html
Hello my friend, thank you for all the information. I want to know how much the control panel and all the accessories cost. You have my full respect
Control panel?
Where are you buying your equipment and how do you know what works with what. Sincerely first timer
Well mostly Banggood and Aliexpress, and usually knowing what works takes time and testing, but over the years and all the experience I've gained... I could narrow things down, but it is mostly testing that really makes things clear!
awesome stuff what are you flying in this?
Like mentioned in the video, this system was for the Talon GT: ruclips.net/video/lDmfXqQ6BxY/видео.html
Too good. Have you thought about putting a kit together for sale - all the electroncs in a plug and play fashion. ie a person without any electronics except a the motor and servos already in an empty plane - ready to install your kit ? People would pay for the convenience and not have to solder etc. I do now for by using a spektrum flight controllers and receivers and install myself. So limited but. Just an uninformed thought. I would be your first customer.:-) Regards from Sydney.
Well that would require time and money, both of which I don't have... to do and get going... and I have my doubts as to the success of it... would also take away from my ability to do the reviews and videos... which bad in my mind! Also... can't suit all plane sizes as each one has its own requirements for wire lengths, etc., and with the speed at which gear is being upgraded and is changing recently... by the time I have any "sets" put together... they would be old news and nobody would want them... I know from experience... sadly!
Can you PLEASE put a link to your servo crimping kit and where to get JST-SH connector kits as well? Those are the only things i cant find anywhere. Thanks so much for this video I am so excited to get started Ardupilot :)
Because recently RUclips has been deleting my links in the comments, I have added links for the crimping tool and the connector sets in the video description, so please check them out there!
Awesome and neat as always... I have a question please. Do you power the entire system from a single battery or you use a separate battery for the FPV system? Many Thanks
Thanks! Yes, I do power from 1 battery, hence the need for filtered regulators to power the FPV gear, so they can remove the interference caused by servos and the ESC/motor combo!
It is not clear to me how you connect the fc to the pdb. I understand from the video that the battery is plugged to the fc, and don't follow how you power the pdb... :( Did you upload to anywhere a connection diagram? Good job and thanks for sharing your experience!!
After going through the FC, via the power sensor, the wires then connect to the ESC, and there is a split wire from the ESC with battery voltage, that in turn connects and powers the PDB!
@@ArxangelRC My ESC doesn't have any additional JST connector with battery voltage, if I make a wire from fc to pdb and then on pdb battery pads make a "sandwich" cable -solder wires from fc to pdb and then from the same battery pads on pdb solder another pair of cables to esc - do you think it would work? Best regards :)
Thank's for explain and presentations. Appreciate it 👍
You are welcome! :)
Thanks for sharing, great info and advice.
You are welcome!
good video ;) but with no telemetry, you have the OSD of the board. no?? (only one thing ;) ..) thank's for your job, very nice ;)
Yes, I do use the OSD capability, rarely need telemetry for FPV flights!
I'm surprised your not using flux even though solder mostly comes with a so called rosin core it's not adequate
Actually the one I am using is pretty good and I've never really felt like I needed additional flux! Not cheap though!
After fighting with ublox GPS not getting recognised after Ardupilot had done autoconfig, I figured out that I can connect the RX pin on the telefly used for GPS to a TX pin on the FC and set it to NMEA output in arduplane. Voila, it all works! (Think someone mentioned Mavlink as well, but no documentation for that).
Glad you got it working! Yeah... latest firmwares should support direct Mavlink input!
This incredible information delivered perfectly .
Thank you! I am glad it is useful!
I wish someone could do all the soldiering and build a complete kit with all these components. It would make it so much easier because I have absolutely no experience soldering haha.
Sure... not sure you'd like the price of the resulting product though! An alternative is the MFD Crosshair Autopilot, which is plug-n-play: www.myflydream.com/products/d-0/337.html
Awesome - I wan't to FPV my Trex 500 now - very inspiring video. Subscribed!!
Hmmm... that is a helicopter I assume?
@@ArxangelRC Yes - The Align range of Helicopters - I have a 450, 500 and recently a 600.
OK... I hope the video won't be too shaky! What I've seen from FPV on helis... the video has been full of vibrations!
Very interesting and insightful video. Great job 👏. Thank you. 🇬🇧
Thanks mate, appreciate it! :)
Just curious, if the MFD auto pilot is included in this setup where would it be best connected here? Thanks the excellent video.
That one requires no soldering or very much programming, and also works with the antenna tracker without the additional module, so basically you only need to connect a camera and a Vtx to it, and the radio receiver, and you're good to go! The GPS, power module and airspeed sensor come with it as a set and have their cables and connectors ready to just plug in and go.
@@ArxangelRC Thank you for your reply, sir.
@@CertsUAsPilot You are welcome! :)
Very good video, do you know how to connect a pitot tube?
For the Omni F4 Pro board... sadly no!! :S
Thanks for the video, do you use telemetry radios with your setup? I'm trying to figure out a combination of telemetry, video and RC frequencies for Long range. With my issue being that I wanted to use R9MM for RC, but SIK radio in US uses 915mhz
I use telemetry only for initial setup... which means pretty much LoS flights at close distance until I get the plane dialled in, and then remove the telemetry unit when I get to go long! Perhaps you could try 433Mhz radio for control... with 915Mhz telemetry... or the other way around!
I found this a bit too fast to follow but appreciate you doing it
:) You can slow it down from the video options, or pause and rewind! :)
@ 6:37 in the video you show a Runcam 3 wired to the PDB and a wiring hardness ( on the Runcam 3). Are you running 5v to the Runcam 3 and can you provide a link to the USB hardness plugged into the Runcam 3?
Yes, I power the RunCam 3S from the 5v reg on the PDB. The cable connected is the one that came with the camera...
Hello, I own an iflight chimera 7 pro v2 o3 plane. I can install parts to it to increase communication distances or change the engine. I just want to buy parts to fly further or fly higher.
Well, objectively if you are able to fly further, you should also be able to fly higher! :) So what exactly is your question here?
@@ArxangelRC okI bought an Iflight Chimera 7 Pro V2 O3 drone from Express for 800 euros. I am trying to buy any other parts, such as a video antenna. Sending signals to longer distances, but I do not know anything about how to install them or what I should buy or what is best for the planes to fly at farther distances or to higher altitudes (I mean at higher altitudes, such that am I forced to install more powerful engines or do I have to install the motherboard of the latest model and what should I do for it? Increase the voltage level of the battery to a larger size
@@mirchaat1390 Alright, so the Chimera is a quad, and I am not really an expert on quads, so it would be difficult for me recommend anything useful, but with these types of drones I don't think there is much you can do to noticeably improve flight times, etc., because these components for the most part are pretty good optimized out of the box nowadays! You can perhaps use better antennas for the video and control system, that should give you more stable link at longer distances, but really you should ask somebody who knows more about quads than me! :)
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Thank you!! Great tute! Hope to do this setup one day soon!
Thank you! Depending on the FC used... it could be a bit simpler even!
Sustain the excellent job and producing in the crowd!
Thank you! :)
Thank you that was helpful, just one question, how did you power the PDB? directly through the battery or through filtered power from Omnibus' RAM port?
Also, I have seen the magical yellow smoke apear from my omnibus V2 yesterday. Apparently, the wire used by me was thick and the positive battery input pad on omnibus is very small. It short circuited as the solder touched the copper lined hole for screws.
PDB has its own filters for the regulators on board, so I feed it power directly from the battery, but after it goes through the current sensor on the Omni, so it would measure that draw as well!
If I don't need the video system, do I need to buy the PDB Power Distribution Board anyway?
I suppose you can do without it in this case!
So for someone who has nothing at home and wants to build it, your parts list adds up to some $850 plus an airplane such as Volantex asw28 it will be about $1000 to get it done, not including shipping and a good camera tripod (but one can always tape the tracker to a table I guess). Is this right? I excluded the bigger camera, only considering the tiny one.
If you add in the tracker, then yes! It just needs to be fixed somewhere, but there are some pretty cheap tripods out there... so that shouldn't be much of an issue! I would definitely tell you that investing in a good radio and a good charger, at least in my experience, is a MUST, so it is worth spending a bit more money on! Once you have those... the cost of building additional planes drops down considerably, especially if you reuse the existing batteries!
Hi! I’m new to the hobby, and I was just wondering, what do you prefer, the Dart XL Extreme Enhanced, or the Talon Rebel GT? I am on a budget, and want to include autopilot and an Fpv system exactly like yours. Keep up the great work and stay safe!
Hey, well... have not flown the Enhanced version yet... both fly quite well, the Talon GT is a bit more efficient due to less drag...
hey hi ! thank you was good and cool info ! continue !
Glad you liked it!
I don't recommend the Micro GPS unit suggested in this video. I don't know how it works with Ardupilot, but it works horribly with iNAV, and you need iNAV if you want to fly with HD video (DJI FPV doesn't support Ardupilot telemetry). With iNAV it keeps disconnecting every minute or so. Also, it took me more than 10 minutes to get meager 6 satellites today. In flight both RTH and CRUISE stabilization failed with a suicidal nose dive. I tested exactly the same setup (Omnibus F4 Pro) with Beitiang BN-880 GPS and it worked like charm. But it was a really heavy GPS, this is why I decided to try the Micro GPS suggested here. Instead, I am going to use Beitiang BN-180, which also weighs only 4.8 g, and is recommended for iNAV.
That's the thing I don't get about iNav... so picky... such a whiny princess that firmware is! ArduPlane would just keep flying with or without a GPS unit... and I've yet to find one that doesn't work with it! Why even bother with iNav... since you've got a choice?
Please make a video for matek f405 wing with partom 1.2ghz 800mw vtx..
Might get to the F405 Wing eventually... not sure about the 1.2Ghz though... still staying away from that frequency!
@@ArxangelRC why sir? What is your recommended vtx for long range?
I just don't like the size of the antennas on the 1.2Ghz systems, and all the interference they cause with various other systems... filters that need to be used, etc., so am trying to keep away from it, but yes, that is the best solution so far for very long range video!
Excellent Excellent tutorial. Keep up the good work.
Thank you! :)
@ArxangelRC About the GPS system, are you able to pre-program a designated flight path into the UAV? Because in my area there are many flying restrictions and No-Fly-Zones within 5km of any airbase or airport.
Yes, this board is running full ArduPlane firmware and that does not have any flight restrictions, you can pre-program an autonomous mission with ease!
I am curious as to why you use an external tracker instead of the tracker built into mission planner?
I have not heard of a tracker build in to mission planner! More to the point... if you are referring to the ArduTracker thing... got only 1 thing to say about that... life is too short to deal with it!!!
@@ArxangelRC This is the one I am referring to ardupilot.org/antennatracker/index.html
I set it up and has been working great, I still need to install long range antennas, but so far very happy with the results
At some point I did waste some time trying to get this working... gave up and ordered the MFD tracker... have never regretted that decision! Also... I can do away with all that DIY, and additional telemetry units, etc.
is the main board has a receiver?
how to connect to the transmitter
It does not! Receiver is a separate unit, dependent on what you radio system you use!
ArduPlane > iNav ? Or is it only personal preference?
Different. Arduplane has way more features.
True, and for me at least it has been way more reliable over the years!
@@ArxangelRC reliability yes! More matured compare to iNav
Exactly!
Thank you for an excellent video!
You are welcome! :)
Can you share diagram of the air unit video wiring, do you take video signal from fc to the air unit, or you make Y cable of the video (one for fc one for air unit) ?
The video goes from the camera to the flight controller so it would have the OSD overlay, then it goes from the flight controller to the antenna tracker module, so it would get the coordinates of the plane, so the antenna tracker on the ground would know where the plane is and rotate accordingly, and then it goes to the Vtx. In case you don't have an antenna tracker, the video signal would go directly from the flight controller to the Vtx.
Hi. I just purchase a Sonicmodel AR wing and I was wanting to get a OSD and return to home. Will this work for me. Thanks for the info and help
I would say the F405 Wing would be a very good choice! The Omni F4 Pro with a PDB is also a good option, but does require a bit more work!
What is the range you get from ur setup?
It has been out to 25kms, if memory serves!
@@ArxangelRC wow thats far, i am looking to do this soon
@@silent4916 Good luck! :)
Is there is way to make my fixed wing hold altitude in straight fly
Yes, Cruise mode or FBWB, if I am not mistaken.
Which cammera are you using
RunCam Swift 2 for FPV and RunCam 3S for recording, all listed in the video description.
What kind of range could you get from a setup like this using an antenna tracker with directional antenna like yours?
I've been out over 30kms!
I gave up on the omnibus when i could never get the osd flicker to stop. Is this not an issue for you?
Hm... don't remember that happening very often!!!!
Great board but i could never get the mavlink to work, could get osd no worries and gps but always no mavlink! Tried 3 or 4 boards . If you disconnect gps mavlink works , so frustrating so imwent to the dearer minipix, what am i missing here?
Yes, actually I have noticed something like this... for some weird reason... although... sometimes they do work together... sometimes they do not! Not sure why that is happening... but it just is... sadly... not a big issue for me since I do not rely on telemetry... or use it that often anyway... but for some people it might be an issue!
The link to MFD TeleflyPro OSD in your description is no longer working
Yes, they did change the website... have updated the links now!
How to make a gesture controlled drone ?
No idea! Will have to ask DJI about that!
What does the compass do in the gps unit and do I need one. GPS units with compasses are more expensive and it would be super helpful to know if I need it.
You don't strictly need it on planes! Since they are always moving, the autopilot is more than capable of estimating a direction from the GPS data, so does not need a compass! They are, however, needed in case you would be running Auto missions in various weather conditions, for mapping for instance, or for VTOL and copter applications, where the model would be hovering in one spot for any amount of time!
ArxangelRC thanks
@@TheThumbsUpChannel You are welcome! :)
Thought you need a audio transmission over the vtx for the MFD Antenna Tracker to work, or am i wrong ? Or is the audio signal also send over the video input ?
Nope, has been a while since that was the case! The tracker is moving the GPS data as teletext over the video channel!
@@ArxangelRC Thanks :) !!! That question always creeped arround in my head and keept me away from getting a ATT System. Well i think a MFD Tracker would be a nice addition to my Longrange Setup :).
@@ArxangelRC Ok i got one last question. Whats the difference between the 6CH MFD Tracker version and the 12CH MFD version ? Sorry if i'm kinda annoying but i'm pretty curious ^^
Those are the slipring channels! Better get the 12ch version, because you can wire more stuff through it, that you can put on the tracker, and then can power and communicate with them without sacrifice the unlimited 360 degree rotation!
@@ArxangelRC Ok thanks !!! :)
Isn’t the “l” in solder silent?
I guess it depends on which part of the world you are in! For me it is not! :)
Hey can this also be used for drones too?
This is what makes a drone actually a drone! Without this its just a plane, old, regular RC hobby model!
@@ArxangelRC I'm sorry this may be a dumb question, but does this mean that I can use this system to build an autonomous drone (what I'm wanting to build).
@@anddop Yes.
I bought the pnp version of the mini talon what should i buy for gps integration ?
An autopilot with a GPS unit! :)
@@ArxangelRC and what auto pilot come with it ? And how i instal it ? Sorry im a starter in the hobby
Well the Matek F765 Wing, and the Matek GPS unit should be a good match! I have a HOW-TO on the Matek F405 Wing, you can follow that one and it is pretty much the same for the F765 Wing.
Hi did you still recommend this build or do you have any upgrade? I really wanna make an Ardupilot RC Plane
The Omnibus, if you can still find it, is absolutely a viable option, but nowadays, unless cost is a major concern, I would recoomend you go with either the SpeedyBee F405 Wing - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBlyezP - or with the Matek F405 Wing - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkQYreN - both are much more convenient and easier to work with.
@@ArxangelRC Hi I saw the Speedybee F405 V3 (Stacked) in RUclips. He said it has built in ESC
Can I use that part for RC Plane?
It seems the part is commonly used for Drone
@@Indonesia01ian Well the ones with ESCs in them are usually for copters! Using that on a plane is possible, but it is never a good idea to have the ESC to motor cables be too long. Personally, unless I have no other choice, or I am constrained in terms of space A LOT, I would never use one of those for a plane.
Hi thank you so much for the information
Finally, I bought my F405 Wing
By the way, where should I plug my JHE42B Loss Signal Buzzer?
There is no buzz socket information in the board@@ArxangelRC
@@Indonesia01ian I am not sure what to tell you... I have never used such a thing, not sure how it detects signal loss. The Wing controller has a buzzer on a small removable PCB along with the USB-C port.
How do u set up the electronics for the camera on the plane is it diffixult?
Not really... just need a camera, a Vtx... and that's about it!
is there a alternativ to the AKK Omnibus F4 Pro. because they are sold out at banggood, aliexpress...
Matek F405 Wing comes to mind!
Superb !!!
Thank you! :)
Thanks!
Thank you! Much appreciated! :)
Great video! Thanks!
Thank you!
Thenks
You are welcome!
can we install ardupilot_
Yes, that is what I am running on the flight controller!
This is what im trying to do with the anaconda UAV, only im using MP Ardu pilot and wanting to run off of 4G lte. Very lost on that aspect
Can't help much on 4G setups... have never done one, or even looked into what gear is needed!
Hiii
I have a problem with the GPS. So both, the GPS and the omnibus are working. but the omnibus says there is no GPS attached.
When i use the ociloscope to measure the rx and tx of the GPS i do measure something.
Maybe i destroyed the connector on the omnibus.
Is there a possibility to change the port where i need to attach the GPS?
Hi, try reversing the Tx and Rx wires! The Rx from the GPS should go to the Tx of the FC, and the Tx from the GPS should go to the Rx of the FC!
Whats is all of elektronics cost
Roughly around $250 for what I've used specifically!
what would be the cost for the showed set incl. your work?
Oh mate... not sure I want to get into that line of business! What are you looking for? Outfitting a plane for you? Or just building up the whole system and shipping you the components ready to be installed?
ArxangelRC Hi! Actually just the components teady ro install. I just ordered the Zohd Orbit Neon and I already have the Nano Talon. But I am not the best in electronics and sometimes the magic smoke visits me...😎 - therefore I would be interested to buy a RTF system that I just have to place in the airplane. I have some experience with the storm and tornado products but wiring and connect cameras with flight controller, Servos etc... no thanks (and I guess I am not the only one) maybe this is a business idea? Anyway, I am using a Frsky RC (just received the Jumper T16 RC as well) and I do have the EzUhf and the Dragonlink long range. However I think I have to concentrate only on one. Can‘t fly in Switzerland for more then 10 / 15km away...
Well... once you get to 15km out... what is stopping you getting even further out!? :P Not sure about this... my experience so far is that this is just stock and effort that will go to waste and will rot away in some box here... 1-2 people will buy it... but the labour costs to make this worthwhile for me would be high... because I would be taking time away from doing... well... this channel!
Make a bike autopilot please
A bike??
Thanks, once again, great video, thorough and great tips.
Thank you! :)
How much long range it be used
That would depend on your video setup - antennas, video output power, availability of an antenna tracker!
Why do you have 2batterys
I most certainly do not... all my planes fly with a single battery!
I ment to battery conection
Oh... one is input, the other one is output for the ESCs!
can the MFD be used with inav?
Yes, as long as you have the TeleFly OSD module... any of them would work.
can i fly this setup with a spektrum dx8 transmitter?
As long as the receiver has an SBUS or PPM output, you can! Otherwise you will need a PWM to SBUS encoder.
@@ArxangelRCis there a alternative to the frsky receriver
Can you name me the Vtx of highest power that have good antannas can be used in a night eagle 2 pro ( a night vision camera )?
Pretty much all analogue video transmitters should be compatible with any analogue camera. 3W of power should be enough, I'd hope: www.akktek.com/products/vtx/ultra-long-range-vtx.html?acc=321 paired with this antenna, which I've had very good results with: www.akktek.com/products/antenna/akk-fpv-flat-panel-antenna.html?acc=321
@@ArxangelRC Thanks
You are welcome!
Hi,
what sort of range do you get on this please
Range of what? Video, radio, plane battery?
@@ArxangelRC Sorry, range of the video and radio please.
@@thesmartwash8074 I have been out to over 22kms and video was still good, radio could a lot more!
@@ArxangelRC Thanks,
Is that with the directional antennae on the ground? can you please show us the ground setup ?
@@thesmartwash8074 Aren't those items linked in the video description?
i only have Matek F405 STD and FC HUB.. can I have this autopilot system...?
Well I am not certain with the specifics of the F405 STD... but I guess it could work! You will need to read up on it and see if you have all of the connections! You will not have a power module, but all else should probably work!
@@ArxangelRC thanks for your kindness reply my comment and advice. I have been trying to make one and my friend said he would help me. I have built my plane from scratch (foam), sky surfer-like plane. He arranged the electronics and setup the FC with INAV (he said so).. but unfortunately, he burned the PDB and i have to buy new one. I hope it can fly like yours asap!
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Fingers crossed you get it working! Best of luck!
@@ArxangelRC thank you. 👍👍😍
@@likulakuku You are welcome!
thanks
You are welcome! :)
ArxangelRC at 3:35 on the video were do i get that white jst connector i need it for me GPS pplz help
They are JST-SH connectors! :)
Thank you!
You are welcome! :)
can u build me one for long range, 100km ,i can pay for shipping and instructions for assembling
Hi, build you one what?
Can u build and send me all the setup and rc plane remote and everything iam from India
Hi, sadly that would be way too expensive for you. Especially the shipping!
Nice job (Y)
Thank you! :)
0:21 rip headphones
Oh?