FF Plus Leader Pieter Groenewald: Hlabisa for Coalition President, Rejecting white Head of State
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Recent experiences with coalitions in South African metros indicate that opposition parties are facing challenges finding agreement on coalitions, raising concerns for the upcoming national and provincial elections. However, in an interview with Biznews, Freedom Front Plus leader, Dr Pieter Groenewald said political parties and voters are in a learning process. Groenewald also addresses concerns about trust and potential coalition partners, particularly highlighting the need for the DA to clarify its position on forming a coalition with the ANC. He also touches on the potential challenges of a white opposition leader becoming the President of South Africa and suggests the leader of the Inkatha Freedom Party, Velenkosini Hlabisa as a potential candidate for the presidency- Linda van Tilburg
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I don’t care about race. I will vote for white, black, Indian, Asian as long as they have the people of SA at heart ❤️.
True
Why do you leave out coloureds ?
But they don't think like that
Agreed.
Unborn babies?
Meneer Groenewald, I never would have thought I would say this in a million years, but I appreciate your clarity of thought on these matters. We are tired of being blackmailed on this race thing. 2024 is monumental, a year of significant change in both national and international politics. We cannot continue to vote based on sentiment. We have been treated with contempt by black leadership. It's time to reframe our thinking. We need leaders we can hold to account, not leaders who behave like they are some sort of royalty and we are their peasants. Race won't work this time around as a blackmailing tactic. Show your worth as leaders or get out the fu#*#* way! I vote for my interests, not a race.
Race and power in this country chief go hand in glove, you can fool yourself but you will not maintain peace with your white friends
Look at the flags behind him , and then rethink what you just said
@@bakangmatabane711 no single African flag at his house
@@simphiweclement4656 Maybe there is an african flag behind his head or behind the camera.
@@simphiweclement4656 can you see his entire house?
Thank you for this educational and honest views from the FF+ leader
Dr Groenewald is spot on about party identities.
Excellent sence from Dr Groenewald as always.
I'm voting ff+ come 2024.. the only party at the moment to vote for
The only adults in the room.
Lol …
That is key, get the registered and unregistered voters to vote, register and vote respectively.
Most of the registered and unregistered voters that don't vote would vote for the ANC if they did.
Always enjoy listening to this man. I hope with all my heart that the DA and ASA can put their bad blood aside. I don’t see the ANC retaining Gauteng or KZN next year. I think the DA will hang on to the WC. KZN can be won by an IFP/DA coalition.
Mr Groenewald for president pls the man is upright if not Mogoemogoeng for President
Don't loose the bigger picture,listen to what Mr Groenewald is saying about the presidency 🎉
Pieter i just love your honesty
The DA has gone awfully quite lately.
Maybe theybare busy reducing the unemployment rate and loadshedding in Western Cape as they have been doing the last 20 years? What did your party do or were they just loud mouths behind a microphone?
I think he is talking about public perception
It's better they shush , they are empty vessels anyway
Our electoral and governmental systems are so attuned to polarization via this silly political party system. For instance, apart from the structures we have gotten used to ... why should our President belong to a political party? Why can he / she not just be elected on his / her own merits?
The president needs to be a part of a political party, because on his own he will not be able to achieve much, and in a political party, he can be held accountable to the values of that party, but as an individual, you give him a mandate to pretty much do whatever he wants. I don't get why people are making such a fuss about political parties. A political party is nothing more than an association of like minded politicians, and it makes for better elections. The voters want political parties, and you can see that in municipal elections: Very few people vote differently on the two ballots. And politicians prefer political parties, because they frame the narrative, saving them a lot of time having to state their position from scratch. Political parties are an inevitability, because they make politics more intelligible.
@@Hannodb1961 The President certainly does not have to be beholden to a political party. Of course he will not be able to "do whatever he wants" ! Because he is at the lowest rung of the democratic hierarchy he is accountable to everyone in general and to the Cabinet and Parliament - the levels immediately above him - in particular.
Political parties are mostly inward looking and focused on power, rather than to serve, manage or develop the country. The political party system is archaic and almost barbaric - dating back many centuries. For evidence of what "likeminded" politicians can do, refer to the Nazi party of Germany and also to our own ANC party.
Of course politicians prefer political parties - it is after all a system designed by politicians for the benefit of politicians - but what we should strive for is to move away from populism towards a system based on quality and servitude. We still have a long way to go.
@@maseratifittipaldi Wow. What a bunch of fallacies.
"He is accountable to everyone" aka, he is accountable to no one, because you will never be able to please everyone
He is the lowest rung of the democratic hierarcy. Nope, He has the highest authority in cabinet, and thats also why he needs to be a party member, so he doesnt work against the will of the majority party. If that is not the case, why would you even care who the president is?
The Nazi's was a party. Seriously? You advance that as an argument? Do you seriously want me to respond to that?
Parties want power. Yes, and thats why its a _good thing_ that we dont have a two party system where the biggest two parties have a guarenteed monopoly on power. In a proportional system, any small party can become a major player, and a dominant party can disappear into oblivion. So if a party abuses the power intrusted to it, it can not only loose power, but disappear for ever. We have a much more effective mechanism to hold parties accountable, if only the electorate would educate themselves on the benefits of the proportional system.
You can forget about parties ever going away. That is never going to happen. Even if we only voted for individuals today, within two elections, those individuals would've organised into parties, and the electorate would reward them for it. The notion of direct elections is ignorant and naieve, and even dangerous, because that is where the first past the post system came from, and we _certainly_ dont want to go back to that.
Direct democracy combined with the decentralization of municipalities would help.
FF+ you have my vote....( never ever have I thought I'd be saying and doing this, but they're the only party offering substance vs just rhetoric...hope they'll get a big slice of the pie in whatever coalition they'll be in)... agree we have to activate the unregistered and no shows as I do think that if successful this constituency will be the swing... come on Saffers we've always risen to the occasion..lastly, moonshot pact as a concept is great, but I think the announcement of it was cart before the horse, lacked depth and acceptance of the other parties ( DA should've stealthily reached agreement with others before blasting it prematurely)... anyway boys and girls let's play nice, everything is at stake and we have one last chance to make it count... You SA my beloved country, belong to all of us living in you, united in our diversity... Viva SA💪🏽
Let's do it! Something's gotta give, we're tired of being treated with contempt. It's time to change things. Let's take a chance on the unknown, rather that than what we have been experiencing all these years.
I am surprisingly agreeing with this Man... You can't have a coalition before elections
This man understands the mind of an ANC voter. The middle class is already flexible in their vote! We need to shift votes from ANC to the coalition to win elections. They need to please ANC voters, no one else!!
Agreed
@@marleneclough3173 it is important to note that the majority of black voters are prepared to forfeit infrastructure like roads and bridges for dignity and respect. Most of the time DA focuses on roads and infrastructure. We need leaders that can restore people's self esteem and their identity. People need to learn to love respect themselves again...then they will love and respect your infrastructure...
@@sengamemela3720 No. The coalition needs to focus on improving townships. They need to build roads, RDPs, supply electricity and reduce crime. The townships feel neglected hence why they continue voting for corrupt leaders. They have no stake in the economy. They own nothing!
@@Noka227 People are voting for bad leadership because they lack identity and self confidence. They do not love themselves and have lost their self worth..and this cannot be restored by a RDP house...We need leaders who can build a black man's self esteem , this will empower black people to think better on how to build infrastructure themselves...we need to inculcate an Orania spirit to black communities...
@@sengamemela3720 you're leaving an important aspect out of your exchange of 'dignity and respect' - social infastructure: feeling safe, women and children not being subject to abuse, having job opportunities thanks to investments, having access to health & mental health, etc.
The ANC has not improved this either for millions of poor black south africans..the sad thing is that i guess a lot of people have just accepted that their life will just always be as rough as it has been & it will not improve
I will vote for ff plus
I really like ffplus views they speak facts 💯 👏..this party is better than DA. They have diversity of young vibrant people to represent the party.
Anyone who thinks eff is the party that can change South Africa, vuka , you are dreaming
It will change south africa
Yes but change the country into a impoverished 5th world nation
@@leratosikoshule2771 For the worse.
You people will keep making a lot of noise for nothing, thefact of the matter is the eff come 2024 is going to have a lot of black majority voting for it
Coalitions signals the death of a party that was supposed to rule until Jesus comes.
I cannot wait for our new leader and Lord.
And this is why afrikaners must support FF+ more than the DA. They are sensible and logical. The DA lives in their own la la land thats costing South Africans the chance to defeat the ANC
Very true, but why only Afrikaners ? So can't I vote for the FF+ because I am a white English speaking person ?
@@nielwilliams4687 sure you can. I'm just saying, every political party has a base. The core base for FF+ are Afrikaners. If you're English and you wanna vote for them, go ahead, but their core will always be Afrikaners, similarly, the core for IFP are Zulu people
I fully agree! The FF+ has proven themselves to be reliable and stable over a very long period
That's a good move from the FF+
@@vik4741 No, In this country we need to broaden our outlook. The FF+ will never grow if they adopt your narrow philosophy. The FF+ must be welcoming to all that believe in their message.
The most qualified should get the job
Groenewald is wide awake. He doesn't suffer fools.
I agree that the "moonshot pact" as a Branding should be scrapped and that it is too strongly linked to the DA. I would like to suggest that it be renamed (perhaps "Rainbow pact" ?)...but it should be agreed as a brand name with all the potential coalition parties in agreement and then when canvassing for votes each party involved can link their connection to the pact.....this would surely solve existing tensions between potential coalition parties and further make such parties' intentions clear to voters !!
Please get together all politicians concerned...we have to work together for the sake of all South Africans! 🙏🙏🙏
Perhaps not "Rainbow". That is too 1990's and has an ANC flavor to it. (And other unsavory flavors too)
@@Hannodb1961 I get that....merely a suggestion ! The Brand should be researched and mutually decided upon as a first step as a display of working together.
Money shot pact.
Just name it "The Pact"
@@gemaskerdeskedel5040 The Justice League. 😏
Finally someone has said it! And this has been the reason why the DA did not gain support in 2019. I spoke to someone and they from EC and she said that locally she always votes DA but on a national level she votes ANC. Because of the DA's perceived arrogance and whiteness. This comes from someone that admired the DA in the past and unfortunately voted for the ANC in 2014🙈
#NeverAgain
I like what I hear, he doesn't change his stand every month depending how he feels 🎉
All politicians should go on pension at 60. Any corruption or fraud must be stripped from their pension and wealth of all their families and business connected friends. Straight to jail. That will end all their theft
Not even a single African Flag in his house, mxn.
Him not supporting Steenhuizen for this role says a whole lot..!
What does it say
Steenhuisen is not good,too much of a puppet and no puppet master
@@mikefibre5337 Who cares? This country will be better off with Steenhuisen than the current state of affairs.
It says that blacks are racists. That's all.
@@thembelandesi4741 Stop ebarrasing yourself....
Mmm!! One honest response!!!!
We should have Mashaba
I agree that a coalition government, will not only keep everyone on their toes, but will also ensure a government that represent the broader base of population. Although the need exist to get the current criminal enterprise, the ANC out of power, that cannot stay the motivation for coalition. If each party put their "gripes"aside and commit themselves to serve the country and its peoples with clear policies, transparency, and a motivation to serve all peoples, it will bring voters in. We the people are tired of a lack of leadership, divisive politics, and poor law enforcement. The concept that a coalition elect the most competent person(s) from all the partnering political parties for leadership positions, will build confidence and resilience in coalitions. Good interview!
Thanks for this interview, I am hearing Mr. Groenewald for the first time ever and he makes a lot of sense. His point about a black president is correct because race matters. Not only to the ANC constituency but to all SA. The preference is predictable, It was always going to be Hlabisa or any IFP leader because the IFP has never been known to rock any boats - he can't be worse than Ramaphosa anyway.
Interesting assessment. I am concerned about the DA'S stance regarding a coalition post 2024... They are arrogant and are acting like the playground bully. Not a way to encourage co-operation and build a team. I also worry my vote for them would end up putting the ANC back in power with them. I agree we need an agreement of understanding pre-election from all players so that we, the electorate, can hold them accountable re coalition formation.
Exactly, very arrogant
as good as their intentions are, nomatter how capable they are to deliver and how low on corruption they might be, the DA needs to get over it’s righteous self-interested hierarchical colonial mindset.
‘colonial mindset’ is simply descriptive, like ‘this is a cup’, ‘this is a tree’.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
You want voters, reform the system.
Outlaw lobbying, bring political funding transparency, publicized debates and profile candidates.
The old man is correct,but ANC is going to win the next election.we like it or not.! I hate ANC too. I wish Chris Pappa is a leader of DA,that guy is very active.
I wonder if ANC could do better in all areas are people going to still blame ANC.
We can have anyone as a president not to say it must be a black person it can be coloured, asian or white. As long as they are for the people and not self inrichment. For all are made in the image of God.
Wow
6:53 and this is exactly why we need system change! Politicians put their party first and not the people! How is this democratic at all? Politicians should be voted in directly by the people, serve the people and fear the people! The multi party system have failed us! Changing the party in charge will do very little because they will once again just put themselves and their billionaire funders again.
People need to realise that the system is broken and that it can change and that it was deliberately kept this way to benefit political parties with mediocre lazy politicians loyal to the parties and not to the country or voters. This year for the first time independents candidates can contest elections. This is the future!
Dankie Mr Groen..........we need a strong coalition.
I want meneer Pieter groenewald to be the president of my country
Look at the background why there is no African flags included this is concerning to me.😮
I dont care if the president is pink blue or purple! I just want a honest down to earth fair president
No coalition with the DA should ever rule in south Africa.
Lets see if the DA will campaign on policy in 2024 for a change, rather than just campaigning against their future coalition partners, as they always do.
Thats actually what we always campaign on , why don't you see that ?
@@christopherwalker5017 Nonsense. Your message has always been:
"Dont vote for smaller parties, you're wasting your vote" (True in a first past the post electoral system, a complete lie in the proportional system)
"We need to unite the oposition to defeat the ANC, dont divide the oposition" - ditto
Many people who do not share the secular humanist views of the DA have been duped by these slogans to vote for a party that does not represent them, and who would inevitably have to betray them in order to grow. For the most part, the DA message is more directed against smaller parties than it is a clear message of their own position. Hopefully, it is now dawning on the DA, (And the electorate at large) that the Westminster political model the DA has been promoting is ill suited for the proportional electoral system we have, and that the DA will stop trying to prevent people from voting for the party that best represent their values, even if its not the DA.
Sorry but i disagree with you. It should be the right man man for the job irrespective of colour.
You heard the man no "white president" his words
Then you are naïve and this conversation is above you
Unfortunately, you have overlooked the harsh reality of our history and wishing for utopian ideals.
No woman? Just 🤔!
When "Ok" and "Bad" are the options on the table, you don't get to pick "Great."
Coalitions is about compromise to get the best possible deal for everyone. If you're going to be too stubborn on some points, you're going to walk away with something worse than what you could've gone with. In a Coalition, you need to pick your battles wisely.
Great idea but then he will be called puppet of WMC
Agreed, we need a black president. The management team surrounding the president must be highly qualified people who can implement strongly. We need a competent executive team.
As a coloured I don't agree .
@@Gerrard_yardy why
@@ernestinewatson4444 lost faith in black Bantu leading
@@Gerrard_yardy we need to stop this skin colour issue it’s not helpful we do have competent citizens of all cultures in our country we just need to find them. All governments are corrupt, put in the checks and balances and be transparent it’s up to us.
The Federal Coalition of Mzansi? On policy each party has a different leaning on the political spectrum but there seems to be a common denominator. It is also the key differential factor separating these parties from the EFF and ANC. They are pro-federalist, pro-decentralisation and against centralism.
Pieter nothing new about coalition government in SA….the ANC has had a coalition from the START prior to the election in 1994 , The real ANC is a small party but because of their coalition with the SACP, The trade Union ,the woman’s league and the Youth league they are the majority currently ‼️…you can have a agreed coalition prior to the election but cement it formally after the election..
Further you can make those agreements prior like the ANC did prior in 1994.
But I agree SA can’t have a white led government but you can have coalition multi party government like the current ANC coalition party government….
There is only one candidate for the president of SA, this can only be HERMAN MASHABA, he has all the right qualities to make SA work, this is my opinion studying all the characters of possible candidates.
How can the IFP have commonalities with FF+? It is clear proof that THE IFP is not founded on principle but Tribalism.
You will be surprise to hear about the simalarities between Zulu nationalism and Afrikaner nationalism. There is common ground between these two parties.
Tribalism is the answer to the many problems in this country and it will happen in any way.
No. The IFP is not based on tribalism.
@@thomasbisschoff7136 I'm an FF+ supporter purely for how little theatrics they play and their consistency. But for better or worse, I think your observation is perfectly accurate.
Yes we know this, but in order for this to coalition to work means giving back land and honouring a 92 referendum...
blacks mustn't think they deserve another term because of skin color over, after the last 50 year balls up they should instead admit the problem. No political party is prepared to even campaign on land rights how can they then be trusted to take us forward?
If this coalition is being spoken of which is a historical one, and coloureds have outright rejected Democrats and come behind whites we know the writing is on the wall... African minorities are in for a nightmare and on there way back to Rwanda, you can bet your bottom dollar that Cape Whites are not going to hang around as whites want the liberals gone.
Reality is that any future workable coalition will have to involve opposition parties keeping the ANC in power since the ANC will never accept electoral defeat, but will make South Africa ungovernable and most probably resume the armed struggle. At best the ANC may share power but relinquishing power due to electoral defeat simply does not exist for the ANC.
The amc can't even use military force to hold down the country. They'd get slapped.
There is nothing that makes a black person, like hearing an Afrikaaner accent because there is a misconceived prejudice that there are the most racist, yet, Dr Groenewald's interpretation makes really sense than Steenhuisen. And there is nothing wrong with having a white president, however, they are always far from understanding black behaviour and do not attempt to consolidate black voters by becoming much more closer to them. For instance, fear of being in a township, crimes and all these sensitive based ideas make it much more complicated; thus making the black populace feel doubtful to vote for people who do not understand the struggle.
i don't think he can helps his accent, but i hear you. i think white politicians should make an effort to learn a native language. i understand that to learn a new language above 50 is very hard for most, i too struggle as an afrikaner to learn IsiZulu. but as a politician you should be able to speak to a majority in a native african language.
IFP leaders should read Thomas Sowell (FF+has already started) and FF+ must read Black Consciousness literature. Provided they can absorb what read, these two could eventually form a worthy alternative -short of overturning the entire system.
Thuli Madonsela for president
I never liked DA
The only thing ANC did, is saying there rule south Africa antill Jesus is coming, theres a problem,😂 ningobani nina eningasho njalo?😊😊😊
Where does the IFP stand on abortion?
Not surprising that the FF+ president thinks it should be a Zulu who should be the president of any coalition; why not a Motswana, for instance? After all, the relationship between the so-called afrikaners and Zulus, especially at the height of the liberation war, is well known to the knowledgeable.
Very interesting I didn't know
I think as a Zulu nation , we have a lot of commonalities with the Afrikaans nation. Both nations share values of self identity that are not rooted on self preservation but collective generational preservation and strong family values. Our strong sense of self identity allows us to respect ourselves, our elders and others. I believe we can learn a lot from each other and build this country by rolling up our sleeves...and getting our hands dirty..
Only joking🤣🤣
Hopefully a good Nationalist President that will put an end to South Africa Inc. and resurrect South Africa. imho.
Facts we need a nationalist now resources must benefit the people not the Global cartels
Well I'm not Suprised. IFP has only been concern about the preservation of the Zulu nation, Movements like afri forum and FF+ also share the same desire to preserve the culture of Afrikaaners, long list of collaborations between this two tribes during colonial times costed damage in Southern African all the way post 1994. I my self as Zulu descendent but I refuse a government of coalition of IFP and FF+ both cultures (Zulu and Afrikaaners) have a bad history
At least fly the South African flag! No African flag at all!
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EFF is definately making the most sense for people who realy want us to thrive as a nation
I think you are calling in from an alternative universe mate
😂
@@BVideotube99 Why? Because he has a different view from yours?
The EFF wants to take every policy of the ANC that caused South Africa to fail, and double down on it. They're not the solution, they are the problem in concentrated form. If the DA is ANC-Lite, the EFF is ANC-Concentrate. It should've dawned on you by now that Malema is a manipulative, abusive, corrupt psycopath who cares nothing for you, and who would do anything and say anything to increase his own personal power and wealth by any means possible.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uninspiring character….. he skirts the issue that the majority party in a coalition should lead the coalition. This is the only fair option for the electorate…. But of course his buddies in Action SA and the PA do not support this subversion of democracy.
South Africa needs a white president and cabinet members of his choice now
Is Pieter Groenewald really succumbing to identity politics. The leader of largest party of the coalition should be the head of government and that's the bottom line.
What will be wrong with the best leader ? You can clearly see calls for separating the vote for president from the public.
Its not that he is succumbing to it, it is that he recognize it as material threat to the chances of the coalition. We need to pick our battles wisely. If a black president is required to get the majority of people to vote against the ANC, then that is a small price to pay.
@@Hannodb1961 This is a slippery slope which will not be advisable for the FF+. The DA attempted a little bit of BEE in their manifesto in 2019 with Mmusi and it hurt them badly, Groenewald and co should wizen up and learn from these errors. Effective governance is what counts, not what pantone you are wearing.
@@jacoloots8694 would require a relatively major overhaul of the electoral system, though I do think that accountability to a constituency is an important mechanism. Also removing the executive from the legislature to allow for proper oversight.
He's not succumbing to anything. He's just a realist who understands that blacks are the real racists in the country.
You want to use him and make him your puppet mxm