Trevor Manuel: 'Our leaders are out of touch with the people'
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- South Africa's former Finance Minister, Trevor Manuel says the country's leaders have become out of touch with the people and that has become a fundamental problem.
Manuel joined CapeTalk presenter, Clarence Ford in studio, reflecting on various issues, while also sharing his views on how to rectify the many problems South Africa faces.
Manuel added that governments failures to provide basic services is leading to people opting for private services, such as healthcare or education, and public services deteriorate further as a result.
This interview originally aired on 28 September 2023.
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Trevor, you sat and watched while your party destroyed the country, now you dance on the minefield.
You go round and round Trev without having the guts say that its the ANC that is the problem. And then you blame us, the citizens, for not being activists.
He talks as if he didn't know what was happening in the government that he served in goodness me how on earth didn't he and cyril knew what was happening under there buggg noses.Bull%$$#.
@markwinter7511. On the button friend. I had a bit of a giggle when I read the heading "leaders out of touch." Ntaturally our prior "worldwide esteemed" Finance Minister was not at all OUT OF TOUCH" When that infamous ARMS DEAL rot occurred....UNDER HIS WATCH. . Humanity may well understand the "price" one day. Of terribly short and "selective" memories.
Trevor Manuel is just a banking stooge, he may as well be married to one like Musi Mayemane. Liberation movement my arse.
Mr.Manual when did you wake up to this disaster? Before or after you retired.
you mean retired...RICH
Trevor did not “retire”, he was merely paid to step out of the limelight - and to cause havoc behind the scenes.
Trevor always thinks he is the voice of authority while he and his party have destroyed South Africa materially.
And he blames things on the "inherited system". They've sure had enough time to improve things rather than just trash them
THEY Started the CAPE FLATS..Mitchells Plain..Gooi All die Colourds onder die Bus.Western Cape University Students.. At 1988 so Brainwashed with Appartheid.
Zero respect
100% spot on. He does come across as the moral custodian of society....
Ag shame!!!!!! BS!!!
Sit down son. All this was on your watch..
The ANC is a large organization, I don't think he had that much pull in the party
Where can I get hold of Trevor Manual for a interview like this, regarding his contribution to the unemployment in this country. He is guilty as all the rest.
The no fees schools the ANC'S pride, but the education is the worst in the country. My neighbour teaches at a no fees school and I was told personally how bad the situation is there. If I were Trevor, I would have hung my head in shame to see how they looted the country and people are living in poverty because the ANC. Trevor you know full well that if the people take a stand, tomorrow their lives get ended. This is how the ANC roll. The ANC came and destroyed this country and stop blaming apartheid. Trevor the only skills that the ANC has is corruption.
This country is in a mess and made like that by those in charge. They had the opportunity to make this country better than it was in apartheid but they took on the same mentality.
The effects of apartheid can not be pushed to the side, but they could've taken a better direction, but they didn't. The government only cares about a minority being those in their circles just like the apartheid government. In a way, we have not become better. The apartheid government had the power to muzzle people violently, where the ANC does not have that power.
The majority of this country has not had adequate leaders from the get-go.
We are still in apartheid, only the leaders have just changed. Those who have benefited from apartheid are still benefiting.
Trevor took his cut and ran
😂😂
I just want to change country so I never have to hear "ANC" ever again.
It took you almost 30 years to realise Trevor. You should have seen this coming in 1994 already.
his wife couldn't trust manuel. why should we?
He and Mbeki was the only politicians who grew the economy, something you cannot deny. Zuma and Ramaphosa leadership are the problem.
@@Tinker8531Grew the economy from the fat left by the Nationalist government and then under their 'WATCH' R trillions were corrupted and mismanaged e.g., the Arms misdeal, Sarafina, continuous visits to Dubai to 'inspect' cranes, of all things etc. etc.?
@@Tinker8531Trevor Manuel belonged to the IDF. He and Pravin planned the destruction. He is a criminal.
Ask him how he afforded his R20million apartment in greenpoint
By stealing money.
Correction it is in Mouille Point - and before he says it was from his salary at Old Mutual and his wife from ABSA, he purchase was too soon after he left government to make that size of purchase at the time - 3 bedrooms on the platinum mile 🤷🏼♂️
And his wife???
What happend to his fiŕst wife?
Has any politician ever been in touch with the people?
Him included
Prime Andrew, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton to name a few, but it depends how you define touching the people 🤔
Also yes, his name was Marcus Aurelius.
They have and it's called Mas...........terbating
Yes Neil de Beer of the UIM
I'll never forget, I walked past this guy once & greeted him. Nothing. Not a nod, not a hello, hi, howzit, nothing. You can tell the character of a man, when the cameras aren't rolling.
Wow, I had the same experience and I actually interacted with this guy many times in the past.
Hubris and untouchability, perhaps, hallmarks of an association with the oligarchic Rothschilds and the
previous glory of the now disgraced and utter embarrassingly failing ANC.
Most of them are like that, when they are in front of the cameras they lift up unclean babies belong to the abject poor parents hugs the shabby looking members of the communities, so on and so on, but when they are alone out of the cameras they become the real cruel insatiable people they really are, no pretense, the true unloving leaders of the same constituents that voted them into power, only love the money that they've been brought closer to steal.
Agree ,once an A hole always an A hole .
I so am intrigued and amused by how civilised and politely we discuss these matters. My word the boat is sinking, we are in dire straits, the price South Africans pay is too high. Say what needs to be said bluntly, no excuses. Time is of essence!
Trevor are you still ANC ?
Of course
Here are a lot of caring people here but at every turn they are stymied by your ANC and it's policies
tsek you corrupt trough feeder
He's the one who supported Cyril
Time for nationwide step down government thats all
As far as health care is concerned there was no need for a medical aid. I was quite confident and indeed had an operation at the Somerset Hospital in Cape Town before the ANC took over an f..ked everything up Mr. Manual.
The township schools are blighted by the teacher union which brooks no contribution or criticism from anyone let alone parents
Did he not participate in the destruction of South Africa?
Exactly. He did and said nothing.
I am literally shocked how selective your memory really is. Its ine thing blaming the ANC for allowing a rot to set in that has created untold hardships.
It is a fact that under him we had better growth than in the latter parts of Apartheid tragically it was jobless growth. So money was not spend as promised to grow the economy but to line shareholders and their executives pockets. He and Mbeki allowed South African enabled corporates to do foreign listings, dismantled economic protective measures which any other socalled western country still have in place.
Your eagerness to bludgeon a black government for any problem in the country makes you blind to see and acknowledge finer differences.
I for example would criticise them for not having the guts to push through a more change not transformation orientated economic reality and which subsequently allow these ravenous crooks to capture the state.
I would in my crotoque include the role private sector and their organisrd networks had played in this sordid saga. Too often they are not fingered in the mess we are having. Some virtue signallers and hypocrites with the worst double standards we are.
Mr. Manuel and former president Thabo Mbeki were qouted as being disillusioned by the fact that their enthusiasm to deliver a far more laissez faire neoliberal enabling business environment the consequence of secret economic negotiations during Codesa were not met with an equally enthusiastoc FDI in flow and more disturbing a gla4ing lack of domestic reinvestment of earned capital here in skills and jobcreating business ventures.
This all while prioritising the paying off of debt the largest which was Apartheid debt to internal creditors who proped up the Apartheid regime.
So, please the day you can be honest, transparent and sincere in your judgement the country would move in the rihht direction.
Take off the racialised blinkers and have a degree of objevtivity that is solution focused that factors in all South Africans as a priority.
The curernt trend of simply blaming the ANC led goverent for all problems is of no use and people are not stupid because they know. The levels of destitution cretaed by poverty, unemployment and inequality is an extremely dangerous powederkeg which need spund minds and hearts in the right places for the people of South Africa not racists diatribes.
We will all be negatively affected if a spontaneous revolt break out while we are busy virtue signalling.
Please improve spelling and then try again
@@herbertduplessis8967Lol, why am I not surprised?
No substantive response to the issues I have raised!
I am quite correct in my reading of you. Instead of taking me on on the issues I raise you try and dismiss me for some insignificant typos which if read correctly do not detract from the argument I am making.
But such are grammar Nazis when they do not have any valid argument to start with.
Any case if it may be of any assistance my eyes are not too good when writing anything on the mobile phone.
But no excuse. Therr is however one that needs to try harder and that is you. In fact yours was an inappropriate or rather irrelevant reaponse.
Cognitive dissonance me thinketh!!!
So please, enlighten me with your wisdom Spellchecker!!
Yawn
You did a great job....
Don't mess it up by not wagging a finger at wrong doing
He was part of the destruction
Scrap the voting system from party based to constituency based! It's the only way of getting the public actively involved in the daily decisions which effect their lives.
Correct.
Ronald Dipenaar, the very first time i come across such a noble idea, that will work much better for all Africans, constituency for a good quality Leadership is the only way that would curtail all the corruption unlike the voting for a political party.
@@nathanielkgobe427 Correct friend. That is why sadly it will probably never happen.
I agree citizens must take responsibility for their everyday lives, but then what happens to all the taxes paid.
he was finance minister from 96 to 2009. what did he do for the people?
He grew the economy by 5% and a middle class Black grew. Zuma came and mucked everything up.
show you the mentality of the anc. everything worked till the anc came into power . Trevor Manual has still the anc mentality
Trevor howmuch did you pocket?
Me again
1.Yesterday's Biz news explained that SA is 7 th on International list of most Corruptive countries
2. Our mafia style corruption listed in 7 areas come to 155 Billion... 2:39
You cannot compare government public hospital care in 1993 with government public hospital health care in 2023! I know because I was in that system from the 60’s 70’s 80’s 90’s till now and I have seen the massive decline firsthand! Also I come from the Education Sector and I have seen firsthand the massive decline in Education starting when th Bengu introducing OBE in the early 2000’s and because schools especially high schools and hospitals were not being built in ratio with population growth . Add cadre deployment with people put in top management positions who did not have the qualifications,skills and experience for the positions they have been appointed to. The morally bankrupt character of virtually every one of these politicians and their appointees have obviously infected every fabric of the society of South Africa. Rotten tomatoes in a box of tomatoes cause all the other tomatoes to rot quickly also !
From someone who sold out right from the start along with the 'ICONS'!
Trevor watse kak praat jy van ouderdom van mev Helen....terwyl al jou ou thommies sit daar in die palement....tusen hulle 70 tigs en 83 tagtigs... word wakker my china
Trev het net so lekker gevreet soos die ander 🎉
Good that you talk about this, hope some ANC leaders listen about truths, fire the corrupt, practices
Pls Mr Manuel. Help us , getting getting out of this mess.😢we the people of SA are scared.
RDP homes with 20- 30 Family Members per House..One Toilet One Bath Room.2 Bed Rooms.
Former Minister Manuel is quite on point on the matter of incapable ministers that are currently in cabinet. We have a crisis in this country regarding political leaders who think they are untouchable. It is indeed the responsibility of active citizenry that can help the State to hold accountable the very incapable, corrupt and despondent political leaders and ministers. For instance, the Minister of Police is more concerned about the PR of his Ministry than he is more concerned about the levels of violent crimes taking place in the country. In Cape Town alone we are inundated with mafia-style kind of crime active with this issue of extortion and murder being at very rates in the Langunya are within the Cape Flats, and yet both local and national governments are not doing enough about such realities. The Minister of Police is not bothered about such issues. And so, as members of public we are left to our own devices to find ways to deal these issues of crime hence the establishment of neighbourhood watch and police forums.
Agree 100%. 😢😢😢
Something Trevor doesn't mention is that his speeches used to be written in Stellenbosch
Thank you 🙏 god bless your place help our butterfly country
Democracy is almost as old as apartheid was around and nothing to show. Just a downward spiral. Yet they blame apartheid for every wrong 😅
Hey I’m watching this from Australia, Trevor has enlightened me on many scales in terms of why SA’s seem to lack care when they are able to opt out. Ja I can see it now, I have been sitting on this end of the world wondering why they are putting up with the complete failure of a government, including the destruction of all infrastructure. Yes the Zondo commission brought up many names, those who still hold a position on the gravy train. Does anyone still wonder why the Rand has been devalued to such an extent that it reminds me of an old man jiggle the cents in his pockets, just a noise. No value anywhere. Only the people in SOUTH AFRICA can make a change, they need to vote for the people who CAN actually fix what’s broken, those who have shown that they have the balls to show what they can do. I have one request of the person who is the interviewer, please stop smoking……….. you have reached a stage where it’s obvious and that means the nicotine is effecting your systems. Please.
First rate interview .. thank you both. 2nd time as I heard it first on radio. Clarence is much more convincing and easy to follow on camera than just audio. Which is an interesting thing for Cape Talk to consider. 🌹🌹🌝
Trevor defending the ANC
He mentions spending of the MA group which comprises about 16 % . That money doesn’t come from tax payers money but is paid for by the employer and or the individual. Look at demographics, in the past most people who were on MA were white, that group is far more diverse today. People of all races whose employment benefits often include a MA contribution from their employer have the right to choose if they want to belong to a MA, often a difficult choice as their contribution impacts on their monthly expenses and the State does not provide an effective alternative. We are fortunate in the WC to have better state healthcare than the rest of the country
Responsible Citizenship is key
In which country are you recommending, Aus or NZ?
When you rich from steeling from your citizens how in da world can you ever care
Good day Clarence & CapeTalk FAM,
Please relay my best wishes to Honourable Trevor Manual and tell him my path now includes REJECTING INTERNATIONAL FUNDING OFFERS to run in local politics.
Couldn't agree more with Honourable Trevor Manual and I insisted he prologue one of my former client's books when the matter arose CapeTalk FAM. Politicians aren't just not in touch with the people, they aren't even in touch with REALITY.
Literal example, Chester Messing asks Alan Winde to name 3 Bafana Bafana players during the recent Afcon tournament and guess what happened?
I am building 3 x hospitals in Tanzania, Kenya and Zambia as well as 60 schools so I know the formula on an very intricate level.
Please remind me; during which struggle did old Trevor pick up the Oxford English and the accent?
What he is saying some of us already knew in 1994, no sorry in 1957! I can clearly remember how this man went wild on stage when the ANC won the 1995 election! Like Mbeki he also struts around as if the saviors of present SA but in fact they were part and parcel of the last TWENTY-TWO YEARS of CHAOS!
Stil sad was Mr.Trevor Manuel minister of finance our country will never be captured.🙌
*Very interesting interview with a very intelligent man!*
But for a guy who was in the middle of everything...
I left this interview with nothing.🤷🏽♂️
The interview with Trevor was undeniably captivating and thought-provoking. His eloquence and articulate manner of speaking truly showcased his deep understanding of the current political landscape. Trevor's insight challenged conventional narratives and encouraged a more nuanced understanding of the complex factors that have contributed to the current state of affairs.
During the conversation, Trevor expressed his belief that the current regime has been unfit to rule for approximately three decades. This bold statement shed light on the longstanding issues that have plagued the nation, emphasizing the urgent need for a significant shift in leadership.
Furthermore, Trevor offered a nuanced perspective on the role of apartheid in the regime's failure. Contrary to popular belief, he proposed that while apartheid undoubtedly had detrimental effects, it should not solely shoulder the blame for the regime's shortcomings and failures. In fact, quite the opposite.
Most strikingly, Trevor passionately advocated for change, emphasizing that the time for transformation is not only desirable but absolutely necessary. He underscored the importance of individuals taking ownership of the systems, laws, schools, and other vital components of society. By actively participating in these areas and embracing their responsibility, people can play a pivotal role in shaping a future that is both positive and meaningful.
Trevor's words resonated deeply, reminding us that change is not a passive process but one that requires active engagement and commitment from each and every one of us. As we collectively embrace this transformative journey, we have the power to pave the way for a brighter and more inclusive future.
Wrong!
🤮🤮🤮🤮
Yes....very well said......WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO TAKE CONTROL........AND MAKE THINGS WORK......THEREFORE WE ARE OBLIGATED AND ITS FUNDAMENTAL THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE THEM OUT....ONCE AND FOR ALL....if this will happen not too sure......but ITS A DREAM T THIS MOMENT.....OUR ONLY SOLUTION.....WE MUST TAKE THEM OUT.....POINT....NO DISCUSSION.....I HOPE THIS VERY ELOQUENTLY SPOKEN MAN....WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE ANC ...😮😮😮😮😢
@@paoloseri8069He speaks like a snake oil salesman.
Clapping + ululating for a poor show when u wasted money on a ticket, is not very clever.
Positives: Mbeki, Mboweni and Manual provided a good economic structure. Negatives: Manual destroyed the clothing sector in the country and 20 000 jobs. We are still waiting for Arms Deal off setts. His party ensured that unemplyment is now double than during Apartheid. The ANC presided over the biggest Aids disaster (8.2m) in the world and 4 presidents provided no leadership on Aids. The ANC treasurer accepted funds from criminals since 94 and the top 6 in the ANC all know this or are complicit. Education results are 160 th out of 163 countries. Manual was silent on all the above.
Manual and the ANC keep comparing black (poor) and white (rich) to claim benefits - while blacks here are not worse off than their peer group in Moz, Zim and Angola.
Notice Trevor lives in a DA run province. 😂
Clever.
Cool Shirt you wearing !
Trevor served in Parliament as an ANC MP for 20 years and proud of it ? Voetsek !
They ask him:
"'Why is there so much corruption"
He's answer is blame the people coz we opted out!
Typical ANC demagogues
I agree with the view expressed that government is not in touch with the people.The ministers are too concerned in ammassing money money!! 12:15
Without question. Largely they not even listening and if they did they hsvent a clue how to fix things anyway!! Where are the educated black diamonds- why are not enough new young faces stepping up in politics?! Where are we heading????!
Down the tubes!😅
Trevor Manuel side steps every issue!
The government hospitals during apartheid was working, and all departments too. I hate apartheid. Bishop Desmond Tutu made the comment to pray for the ANC to fall 100% true. He experienced the decay of our society..
ANC have trashed RSA.
He is a politician .....☹
if the lips move it's all lies that's how you spot the politicians 😂
Enriching themselves and the people suffering.
No wonder out of touch with the people.
All the state apparatus has been run down, this has caused those who can afford it to look for other options. IF the monies allocated to the said departments had been spent wisely then all of the citizens would have benefitted. Centralisation and patronage has ruined us. The ANC has made people lose faith in the vote or in agencies that protect their cause, once again the apathy created has played into the governing party's hand as fewer people vote.
Leaders should only keep their positions based on their capacity to deliver on the mandate, excellently. No space for mediocrity and myopia. The only time we'll witness tangible progress.
Almost 30 years later and he has at last found out he has a mouth......
He was aware of the aims of the NDR and NDP as an upper echelon cadre. To now sit and diplomatically try and say that things are not right is showing a partisan nature which belies his position in the business sector.
Well said
lets go Trevor...
Oh come on Trevor, no matter how loud South Africans cry out, the ANC don’t listen ! Solution = #VoetsekANC
Hay Trevor you team is doing well absolutely annihilating Italy
The ONLY way to fix this is at the ballot box
Oh my goodness he went to the same schools as me.
The structure and the operation of the ANC have de-democratised South Africa. This started with Thabo Mbheki with the agreement of the leadership of South Africa. When you killed the branches you killed democracy. The people are not allowed to question the leadership.
Very Rich coming from him. mxm.
Agree 💯
Politicians are not celebrities! We have allowed this broken relationship to rot. It is time to stop listening to the nonsense on transformation. The only visible transformation is our rapid deterioration. Cele is the key person for the current (chaos) status of this country.
Trevor must never sit in judgement without dealing with the corruption he supported… and for the avoidance of doubt i mean the arms deal
Manual thy are into tuch with there pockets ,I can't see how there greatgrand children are going to make it
If educated fool was a person
😂😂 Amm. Ammm. Laughing😢😊
Totally agree with that comment about Helen Ziller. She needs to stay at home or bugger off overseas somewhere, she is a waste of space.
Trevor tel is hoe veel geld maak southafrica jaar kak Speech elk jaar wat gehet 🙈🙈🙈🙈
Media indoctrination is still very strong when it comes to shaping people's opinions and actions in SA. I hear people saying "Oh, the ANC is corrupt" and whilst that is obviously true, it should be clearly understood that the ANC's main problem has always been racism. Corruption runs a second place.
as much as people blame Trevor Manuel, remember that on the 17th of March 1992, white south africans voted in favour of the process of transformation, i.e. handing over political power to the ANC.
what did they think was going to happen ?
Die ding het ons Bruinmense Uit verkoop aan die swartes saam met sy maters van UDF . Blikskottel !!! Cheers 🥂 KAAPSTAD
Now R350 For Allowence for Bail money and Pregnant Mothers.
Trevor why dont you answer the question "who should we vote for"
should be in jail
He was out of touch when he has joined the ANC.
Always entertaining to watch a 'struggle hero' when he tries to distance himself from the fiasco. Still in the country? So what do you know!!..not amongst his comrades that are now living overseas cashing in on their struggle credentials. . Mr. Manuel, we know what is wrong... the question stays... can an ANC or EFF Government deliver. After thirty years we now know that the new dispensation has been a dismal failure.
kakistocracy
noun
government by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state.
"the danger is that this will reduce us to kakistocracy"
a state or society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens.
plural noun: kakistocracies
"the modern regime is at once a plutocracy and a kakistocracy"
Zondo R1bln novel 😂while glencore & Glassenberg was left untouched😂Jooste/Wiese are having fun after R12bln heist
If you had one iota of courage you would put your weight behind another party. Be courageous.
You still call them leaders....leading what...to Where...
Inherited system? so what has been done to review it since your party came into power trevor? or is it easier to allow the system to be trashed?
He talks as if he wasn't there, as if he was not the driver of neo liberal policies, really spare us the crap about the system inherited before 1994.
I agree citizens must take responsibility for their everyday lives, but then what happens to all the taxes paid? these questions are systematic of the failure of the anc and how words achieve nothing compared to actions. Trevor distances himself from the reality that he was party to creating, frankly he speaks a load of crap.
Will never forget sometime in 1996 (I think it was) THE FINANCIAL Mail had on it's cover in HUGE letters "TAKE A BOW MR MANUEL"...
What a compliment!!! Says it all - Thabo Mbeki too was an outstanding man...
Sadly State Capture in the personage of Zuma came in and took over... Intimidation became the modus operandi, Mbeki and Manuel knew the stakes...
Tender "hijacking" became a priority...
Africa adieu.... 😢😢😢