One X-Cellent Scene - Magneto: Nazi Hunter
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Hey Tim, German here
Just wanted to let you know that it's nürnberg not nuremberg (not that it's important but just thought I'd let you know... grammar Nazi I guess xD)
What's not to love about art that tells stories?
Oh, cool! I'm working on a comic book, actually! No joke, I subbed to you because your writing videos are 👌🍰.
Anyway, I have a bit of a moral quandary that I often think about relating to racism and the like.
So, here in America, a lot of people can get their DNA tested and it's quite the shock when white supremacists realize they have "a little more than just white in their blood". Okay, ironically it's kinda funny, but personally that's really sad that people can be so brainwashed by hateful morons.
I also have a bit of a moral quandary, myself. I am 20% French/German, 20% British/Irish, and 23% Scandanavian (
I remember watching X-Men: First Class in the cinema and when Charles said "They're just following orders," an old man in the row behind me solemnly said, "Oh no."
That was exactly what I said when I saw that scene first time.
With Charles empathic abilities, he must have known exactly how Eric would react to those words as certainly as a soldier knows the internal workings of their weapon as they depress the trigger and feel the linkages and sears engage in the fire control mechanism.
@@tarmil You dont have to be a mind reader to predict how a Holocaust victim is going to react to that
That guy knew what was up.
@@klaseniusproductions7591 i think that's it actually. Charles was so reliant on his telepathy that when Erik put that helmet on he was just clueless, esp funny (well, not really funny but you know) when you consider how he claimed to know everything about Erik... Charles at that moment was just a dumb kid who tried to wisely guide everyone bc he's so smart with his seven doctorates and what else, but he actually knew s**t. He was not really evil or malicious there, he was just that rich, privileged white boy (you know the one, we all know that type).
As a German, I really appreciate what you said about making Nazis into a myth. I’ve made the same observation for a couple of years now: Nazis in media are mostly these horrific, monstrous superhuman beings, and that makes us forget that they were only people. And if we refuse to remember that, we don’t recognize it when people around us start going down that road, since they’re not like we’ve seen in movies.
Even you’ve known someone for a long time or they are nice to you, they can STILL be a Nazi!
Absolutely. One of the leading nazis in politics in germany is just a history teachers (who talks like Goebbels but still) and a lot of people hide behind obviously fascist claims. It is really important to break that myth every single time because if you get tired of it you don't notice how they make their way back.
@@flassadar I still can't believe how someone who denies the holocaust can be allowed to teach history.
Nazism isn't a myth. Any country and people can be turned into Nazi country,doesn't take much,little panic,little propaganda,it's human nature and seems extremely easy. I'm a jew from Israel and a law giving the same powers to the prime minister just passed same exactly like the one that gave Hitler the power after burning the Reichstag. Democracy is being whittled away while the police is randomly punishing and terrorizing the population,especially those protesting against him. There are new anti democratic laws passed daily.
Today the dictator said on TV the protestors are shi**ting on the streets and spreading the plague. It's sad when you realize the prime minister of Israel is saying the same Joseph Goebbels propaganda. You can also be a Jew and Nazi.
@@corvus_da I think it is because people shouldn't be discriminated by their opinions. And he is currently not teaching. He could have hidden that fact that he thinks we need a full u-turn considering our perception of the holocaust. But yeah... that is something different. As a teacher you need to keep your opinions out of the classroom. And also we shouldn't have nazis as teachers. Like ever. Problem is: in germany we never really got rid of nazis in positions of power. Most of them just kept their positions as judges or teachers after 1945. And the bavarian party CSU still speaks highly of Franz Josef Strauß who was so racist. It is weird.
But coming back to the video: I really like how they dealt with the theme and I would hope that this kind of portrayal of politics and history would be stronger in such movies. Because it was really strong.
Well said. As someone who saw a classmate join a neonazi group and gradually shift from saying it was a funny environment to then outright embrace all the ideas and lose the logical shame of declaring such, always trying to justify wicked logics and racism, plus sexism of the kind that women shouldn't work at mixed (gender) environments, that only married couples should vote and then replacing all his joke repertoire into the bizarre completely racist lines, while claming not to be racist, but instead "racialist" as in "races" (sadly a wrong term that became conventional...) shouldn't be hated just because "they are inferior" and that everyone has their place in a society, except in such case they're talking about segregation...
... I can only agree with you. A nazi will try to appear reasonable and will try to convince that their ideas hold any logic. It's not really the shift to nazi that makes someone aggressive or violent, but among themselves they might try to compete in a display of fervor and hate indeed.
Another thing is that the everyday nazi won't openly target a person of their hate groups. They will instead just avoid or target them through negative bias, for example, as a differential treatment from a teacher, manager, secretary, physician, policeman, et cetera. The difference being that violence is much more common when there's the opportunity to do so when at much lower risk of being punished as such. Examples being: group engagements, online interactions or when the nazi has the "upper hand." But again, this is not exclusive to nazis, but for any hate group in general. A person who simply jumps into violence when triggered, regardless of consequences is a complete different case.
Regarding their jobs: In German Tailor is called "Schneider" and "Pig Farmer" is called "Schweinebauer". However nobody says "Schweinebauer", you usually just use "Bauer" (=Farmer). Do you notice something about those words on German? They both begin with S.
Iirc in the movie they are quite amused about their job descriptions, so I don't believe those are cover stories. They're openly telling Magneto that they are ex-SS and laugh about it like it's the funniest shit ever.
One could even say they used their jobs as metaphors. The “pig farmer“ crowding the jews he doesn’t see as equal in KZs and the Tailor with the whole leave you clothes here you‘ll get some striped clothes over there.
(I know the latter comparison limbs a bit but my gawd in this context pig farmer is awful, I mean he could’ve said he‘s a carpenter and therefore a “Schreiner“)
2020 is so crazy that I've just seen Palpatine criticizing nazis
@@Max3110 That is what I took from it at the time anyway, certainly the "pig farmer" one anyway
@Instrumentality1000 glorious, yes...
But by the fucking _Gods_ was it too damn fast!!!
Like I get that it was someone else's bar, but c'mon!!!
If there's one thing Nazis seem to love, it's dropping "subtle" hints about their political affiliations.
"Blood and Honor, let's see what you shed first."
Best line in the whole movie IMO.
It's more closely translated to "what would you like to lose first?"
Well regardless, the dude still lost his honour first
"Blood, then."
I always have to laugh when i hear the word "honor"
in relation to Nazis. The Nazis are so far away from bein honorable that it has to be some kind of inside joke for them.
@@cavareenvius7886 Imagine being barely an adult, having been indoctrinated into racism and forced to work for genocidal maniacs or you'd alternatively be shot.
There's no place for honour in such situation. I'm not trying to excuse anything, but nazis were still people. Yes, a lot of them WERE basically monsters, but not everyone.
I'd have happily watched two hours of Magneto Nazi Hunter. This scene is one of the best ever written.
I wouldn't. My country veered away from that, whether it was not as bad here as it was under nazi Germany. After Apartheid we had truth and reconciliation, where there was a level of forgiveness granted for those following orders. Then again I should also note that there are various other factors involved.
@@adrianmcbride1666 I very much doubt forgiveness was overly genuine and there is a lot of bad blood to this day in South Africa from what I hear.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 oh yes, there is bad blood but that is true for all white people regardless of their roles during Apartheid. Said whites do not need to have even been involved, and sometimes could have been against the Apartheid regime. Then again, black South Africans are fairly racist in their own right (there are historical tensions between the Zulu people and the Xhosa people, along with the xenophobia which is it's own mess). Legal ramifications however were weakened or nulled (from what I understand, from what little I have learned because I honestly don't care much for history beyond early AD unless I see something useful for my world building in it) if they could show that they were a) acting on orders and b) can give information to help victims try and find closure.
Honestly, I typically try to stay out of SA politics primarily because I find it depressing. Talking about politics in the Americas and Canada offers a sense of distance. My knowledge on my own countries history and politics is mostly what I am forced to interact with, or what is crammed down my throat for whatever reason.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 For the most part thete's loads of forgiveness, just, there's just that little problem of whites getting killed just because they're white. (Sorry if this came off hostile that wasn't the intent)
@@cosmicostrich3657 I didn't take it as hostile. If there is truly forgiveness that is a heartwarming thing in these times. One wonders though, where the line between forgiveness and unforgivable can be drawn?
The fact that the guy says “we were just following orders” as Magneto holds a knife that is tangible proof of his allegiance to the SS, one of the most high-ranking forces in the orchestration of Nazi genocide, makes this even better. He wasn’t just following orders; the guy had power in the regime and was probably deeply involved in its war crimes. He was lying and Magneto knew it.
I mean not to say it was a good excuse but the SS was a very large organization. Being a footsoldier in the SS, on the same level as an army private is possible. There is not much that indicates that he was an officer since every SS member had those daggers.
The fact he attacked Eric/Magneto first is a far better proof that "just following orders" thing is bullshit.
Gokbay Thanks so much for the clarification! Sorry for any inaccuracy. Also, I just realised that the fact that he’s still carrying the knife around might indicate he still has pride for his past or, at the very least, doesn’t see anything wrong about it.
@@gokbay3057 Well, I mean they were buddies with Shaw (which he noticed before the dagger came up), so most likely they were roughly similar in ranks.
@@gokbay3057 Large, yes, but for most of its history, the SS was also a volunteer organisation. Anyone putting on that suit *chose* to do so, and as a rule also knew who and what they were joining. For that matter, even after the SS gained conscription privileges, the overwhelming majority of SS personnel were still volunteers.
@@jochentram9301 yes I didn't say he joined the SS against his will I just said that it was quite possible that he was a lower ranked member and that SS in general did not mean high ranked. But yeah joining the SS is generally a good enough indicator that you bought into the Nazi ideology somewhat since you joined the Party's paramilitary.
I always thought that Charles' line on the beach was a wonderful display of how, despite his power, Charles really isn't that charismatic or even good with people. When acting on instinct, saying what he thinks is right, while incapable of just reading Eric's mind, he says the worst possible thing at that moment. It's a strong character moment for Eric, but also a strong one for Charles
For an academic and emotionally intelligent man, Charles was really stupid for uttering that phrase to Erik. The worse five words to use to a Holocaust survivor.
I don't think he's actually emotionally intelligent at all. I wrote a much longer comment on this up above, but the gist of it is that Charles _looks_ emotionally intelligent because he uses telepathy to cheat his way through every social situation he's in (by knowing the exact right thing to say), that he's been doing that since grade school (which is when you normally start learning how to interact with other humans), and that as a result his actual social skills (sans telepathy) are on par with a feral child.
@@dylandarnell3657 I mean, his social skills are probably a lot better than "a feral child." While it's true that Charles has relied on his telepathic abilities to get through social situations his whole life, it's not like his normal social skills didn't grow with that. Even while reliant on his telepathy, his ability to navigate social situations would be impressive on it's own because he's done it for so long already, I'd argue that because he's been able to look into other people's minds his whole life, he has a better understanding of people than most people do and knows how to act accordingly. We best see this in Charles's later years when talking to Magneto he's still composed and just carries the same level of social competence.
To explain why he chose his words so poorly in that one instance, I'd chalk it up to the writer's prioritizing a theme/message over in-universe realism.
A bit late, I know, but I think that's the perfect point that divides Charles and Erik. Charles, with his idealism and carefree upbringing *thinks* he's convincing Erik about the good of the people shooting missiles at them. He's such an idealist he wouldn't even dare to think about any other way his words could be construed.
Instead, he only reminded Erik of humanity at its very worst.
I really blame the writing. It was clearly intended for the audience rather than for Erik and it shows. It jumps off the screen and not in a good way, in a way that takes you out of the scene. As much as I enjoyed first class they were pretty on the nose with some of their storytelling. There is another scene where Erik is describing what happens after they identify and categorize mutants making a direct allegory to his time as a nazi prisoner and when he says the word "ENSLAVES" the word itself seems to be emphasized well above the rest of his narrative, and the camera pans to an extreme closeup of the only major black character in the film. It was so bad and so immersion breaking that it still stands out to me to this day.
This scene managed to show both that Nazis were human and still not excuse what they did. I think people have a tendency to either dehumanize Nazis or try to use their humanity to make them more sympathetic, when really their humanity only makes their crimes more horrifying.
EDIT: anyone saying that I'm excusing Hitler or the Nazis in ANY way has absolutely misinterpreted me. They are still evil but because they CHOSE to be, and its something that other people, seemingly normal people, could also choose.
"Their humanity only makes their crimes more horrifying" is a bomb-ass quote that I'd like to add to my own conversational repertoire. Like, yeah, your average Nazi has the same capacity for reason and empathy as any other person, they just *choose* to abandon it for a despicable cause.
Many took lifes, to save their own life. Many of us, would have made the same coice.
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Also makes you aware that anybody is capable of it. Simply speaking, fascism is just zealotry in a political context, a belief that "our way is right, your way is dangerous to us." Anybody can do that. "Mythologizing" the nazis separates us from awareness of that flaw.
I just wish people would all decide..."Okay, that guy with the little moustache and the entourage of douch bags--yeah--we gotta take him out. It's him or us...This man-baby is not well. These are good people."
At least Schindler tried and succeeded. He could not be swayed. He even became broke after the war...and the Jewish people helped him in return. Helped in what little ways they could at that time, I suppose.
"Don't do a war crime kids."
Puttin' that one right in my pocketses.
LOL just a few Ages late...
Sadly, might have a few occasions to use it.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 Read OP's comment first, "pocketses" strange place for a Gollum reference, but ok.
Then read first reply, "Ages", another LotR reference? Wtf is going on here?
Looks back at OP's pic, "Eye of Sauron", oh it's Sauron?
Reads OP's name, "Sauron". *hearty chuckle*
Puttin' or Putin?
Unless you were part of the Allies, in which case, you get off free of murdering hundreds of thousands of German civilians during carpet bomb raids, as well as sending many to Soviet gulags, many of whom never returned, and not just Germans and his allies were sent there, but Americans, Brits and French sent many Ukrainians and other former Soviet subjects back to be either murdered by the Soviets or be used in gulags, forced labour, etc for having collaborated with the German military or simply having been captured by Germany. And of course, if you were a Soviet soldier who was involved in the rape-murder of millions of German, Polish, etc women, then also no problem. Or if you were a Pole, Czech, Serb, who murdered hundreds of thousands of Germans, Italians, Croats, etc who had already surrendered. The list goes on and on.
Ironically, Argentina has like, the largest jew community in South America
It's petty much open borders for everyone here in Argentina, even more during the first half of the 20th century and especially if you were immigrating from Europe. There's a reason for the misconception that we're all 'white'
@@asdfgh161001 So if most of the current population are immigrants or descendants of immigrants, who are the native Argentinians? Where are they?
@@asdfgh161001 I know! I'm argentine too!
@@Fudgeey Well, most of the european descent population are on Buenos Aires. The mestizos are mostly on the other provinces. Mostly up north I believe?
I'd imagine the nazis weren't hiding in Buenos Aires though.
@@Fudgeey actually most of the population is mixed to some degree, because of the way Spanish colonization worked. But the most white looking people are in Buenos Aires (most populated province, which also houses the national capital) and the south of the country (where a lot of nazis went). In the south, the Desert Campaign in the 1860s was basically a genocide which exterminated the native peoples. There are still some of them though, and the southern provinces aren't very populated in general. Native presence is mostly in the north and northeast of the country, with some exceptions
Oof I just realized the sinister double meaning of pig farmer and tailor.
I'm dumb, what is it?
@@bigboi8028 Both words start with S in germna
German
Also, "pig farmer" ("schweinebaur") _wouldn't_ normally start with an S - you'd just say "Baur." This isn't just subtle writing - they're flaunting it.
Also the "pig farmer" = "person who herds pigs onto trucks / trains to the slaughterhouse, and by the way pigs is a metaphor for Jews if you didn't get that, because I'm a smug Nazi bastard" and "tailor" = "person who tailors i.e. removes undesirable elements from something, and undesirable elements isn't even a metaphor for Jews at this point because I'm an even smugger and more bastardly smug Nazi bastard than the first smug Nazi bastard."
they're smug Nazi bastards is what I'm getting at here
@@dylandarnell3657 Also, the tailor routine could be a reference to the Star of David patches that many jews were forced to wear.
My favorite part of the scene is after he stakes the guy in the palm to the table with his own dagger, he uses his powers to throw it at the guy with the gun, then calls it back, and stakes the first guy in the same knife hole. Then calmly but furiously continues interrogating him. It shows Eric's ruthlessness but also his self control and confidence.
Darwin Xavier I love that too. It was so emotionally charged and evoking his dominance over his own power that he couldn’t control before. They could easily had made this whole movie into a series and had it end similar to how it did without cramming all X-Men storylines into redundant movies. Even the MCU movies fall flat because there’s nothing at stake, nothing that serious to hold onto...
@@serbisthehero1987l I just wanna make sure you knew I meant stake like tent stake or wooden vampire stake. Not the other meaning like the world at stake.
Darwin Xavier Oh no, I understood you perfectly. I was mostly just agreeing with you. :)
I interpreted the “pig farmer” and “tailer” as metaphors for how the Nazis treated Jews and other minorities as animals and the key Nazi ideals of a “superior race” respectively. The tailor part especially symbolises how the Nazis chose to disregard certain aspects of the human race (ethnic minorities and disabled people among other) as to create the “perfect” Aryan race that Hitler envisioned. Its interesting to see how other people view this scene though!
Also Magneto is a badass, the fluidity of that knife throw gives me chills
Far better metaphor for the tailor than I had.
Honestly, I thought the tailor part referred to how Jews would be forced to strip off their clothing and belongings, later to be sorted through and repurposed for other use, and that the guy was one of the guards that would do the sorting. Just my personal, pretty messed-up take.
My take on them was that there were extreme experiments conducted on prisoners in concentration camps allegedly up to turning human fat tissue into soap and making things from human skin, so their new jobs are an 'in your face joke'.
@Hans Hanzo wait till you find which party in the USA was in favor of those and was inspiration for the nazis in Germany... Want to go into the rabbit hole, then watch an interesting documentary "Death of a Nation".
Schweinbauer und Schneider = pigfarmer and tailor. S and S, SS. Probably a coincidence or maybe some clever writing to show that the nazi's not so subtly say they were SS, with a high likelihood of being camp guards in the past.
Someone else made this connection in the comment section btw.
magneto theme makes this even more better.
You don't need to add "more".
ImVastolorde17 it’s ok in this context
@@ashura9706 It's really not. This is a learning channel, so to speak. I'm just trying to help out. You shouldn't add more before better, faster, smarter, happier, or any adjectives that end in -er.
More intelligent, more charismatic, more frightening. These are fine. More cooler, more scarier is not.
His theme (the one in this scene) is actually called "Frankenstein's Monster"!
@@ashura9706 Exactly! English isn't a prescriptivistic language, so it changes and there isn't one "correct" way to use it. It's enough when others understand you. To my experience, using "more" with already comparative forms and "most" with already superlative forms can be used as a form of empahis, like here!
When I first saw this movie in theatres the "Just Following Orders" line hit me hard. This was before I knew the details of the Nazi trials, but I can't remember the last time a film delivered a line that still echoes in my brain.
Kurt Barryman evidence for that please. No I won't accept a link to a ten hour vide where it's just mentioned. Documentation. Equal or better than the documentation for the war crimes themselves.
The most hilarious part of the scene as an Argentinian is the beginning, it has become a national meme because Villa Gessel is located in the beach of Buenos Aires, while most nazis hid in Bariloche, near the mountains. It's hilarious, Erik just walks through the mountains as if Villa Gessel isn't in a damn prairie, there is no mountains.
Las bellas montañas de Villa gesell, nada les gana 😝. Junto a las "cataratas del iguazu" en la patagonia (escena de smallville) nos dieron los mejores memes.
Que significa "prairie"?
@@feralharmony5927 no estaba en la Pampa? O al final no existía?
@@juanrodriguez9971 Pradera
I was about to make exactly the same comment about the meme and was only checking to see if anyone had said it first :P
One of my favorite lines in the movie:
“Who are you?”
“Let’s just say I’m Frankenstein’s monster, and I’m looking for my creator”
"Blood and honour, which would you care to shed first?"
"We were under orders"
And right there, with the coward's excuse, honour is shed, all that's left is blood
"Blood and honor, which would you like to lose first?"
*Gets a cowardly excuse*
"Blood, then."
It didn't click until just now that the reason he says that is because the "pig farmer" *HAS* no honor left to lose.
"We were under orders!"
"You just tried to kill me."
"...We were under orders!"
The only thing I hate about this scene as an Argentinian is that they chose Villa Gesell (I'm guessing because it sounds German) as a name for the town when in truth it's a beach city in another province, petty far from the southern mountains
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@@idolanumber1 jajskajs de todos los lugares VILLA GESELL dios me cague tanto de risa
siempre me pregunte "que te costaba googlear VILLA GESEL antes de mostrar alta montaña"
I was about to post the same thing
@@felipe.arenas No costaba nada, pero claramente pensaron que Villa Gesell suena mas aleman que Villa General Belgrano
You want to know the scariest part about Magneto? You cannot say, with complete certainty, that he is wrong.
He was right, especially in his speech in days of future past where he says : humanity has always feared that which is different.
He isn't wrong. What he does to further his point is sometimes wrong, but he himself is not wrong.
They did come back. Because of Barack and his beloved Majdan my mother killed herself and my father died two years later from a broken heart. And these days my brother and I are hunting Nazis.
@@ladywaffle2210totally agree
Ah, yes... The mountains of Villa Gesell, beautiful like the Mountains of Miami.
Even more picturesque than the mountains of Saskatchewan.
a beautiful former hippie paradise, with a barman speaking mexican slang.. i mean as long as it sounds spanish the pelotudos yanquis won't notice.
@@Mr.Maguro To be fair Americans wont notice that the location doesn't make sense, the same as you probably wouldn't notice if they got the location wrong for an obscure city in India for example. I'm not making excuses for the filmmakers getting this wrong, I'm saying its very understandable for the general public not to notice.
Please use X-Men more ! Maybe in "On Writing". Would love to dive in to Magneto's deep personality !!
He's one of my all-time favorite "villains"
Honestly if they made a movie or series of Magneto hunting down nazis it would make a great watch especially if they keep with that scene
I've always considered that scene to be Fassbender's audition to be James Bond. I'll admit that I'd be a little confused at first as to why 007 isn't manipulating metal at first, though.
Dont do a war crime
That ruins my weekend plan
Well looks like my plan of destroying supply routes to a village I want to conquer this weekend just fell apart
What else am I supposed to do with my time?
Just switching to normal crimes, although they are not nearly as fun
Anyone need some nerve gas?
@@KitchenSinkSoup
Here here
I got a bus load of kids i needa get rid of
"Funfact": One of the last "pigfamrers" got 2 years suspended sentence for his war crimes (helped to kill over 5000 ppl) back in Hitler germany, today. He is 93 years old.
Of course it's symbolic, but shows germany doesn't forget. He was 17 years old back then. Greetings from germany.
I heard about that. And then there are people who say stuff like "Germany erases Nazism from history" and such shit. That's just Unsinn
I just watched this movie last night. My favorite thing he does in this scene is the way he throws the knife, and then draws it back. The fluid way he moves during the attack is so...elegant.
You could say it was ... artistically done?
"I've been at the mercy of men just following orders... never again!"
Responding to fascism with war on terror - Magneto is one line.
Idk, terrorism isn't automatically facism.
I think this was the best choice amongst all the X-Cellent Scene videos.
Fun fact: in the take that introduces this scene, mountains and a lake are shown, even though they are in Villa Gesell wich is a city on the Atlantic coast with no mountains (nor lakes) at all.
There is also a very good theme of justification in this movie overall, and it is primarily setup with this scene you discussed here.
Because Charles says "they are only following orders" it is a direct and deliberate callback, but this time we have the other viewpoint.
And with the x-men, the question is when are you justified in using force?
Where does the force end?
One action is not equal to another, and this theme of justification for your actions runs throughout the movie, but isn't well explored for most of the characters.
I do love this scene however, and I had hoped they would have continued the theme of justification for Erik, at the very least, for the following movies.
It is very close to his character and his actions throughout the x-men universe.
When is violence justified, when is it not.
Also, this is basically what Aang is doing on the lion turtle. Exploring justification for violence.
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Funnily enough, there was an experiment regarding "Just following orders."
@Johan Harmse Whag kind of experiment, where can I find it?
@@JReds-bw9kg It's called the Milgram Shock Experiment. A bunch of people were informed that they were taking part of an experiment on memory, and if shocks delivered would aid. An actor would be placed in another room, and would cry out in pain whenever a "shock" was administered. No damage was ever done, but the results were, well, shocking. Two thirds of participants would continue to maximum 450 volts, which is a lethal dosage, despite being able to hear the pain. All of them would administrate at least 300.
The participants were informed by a man with a white science coat to continue, everything was alright, and that they could stop, but it would jeopardize the study. It was performed in order to figure out why Nazi soldiers and scientists committed the atrocities that they did.
The participants were informed afterwards about the true nature of their experiment.
@@johanharmse1789 I thought you were talking about the Stanford prison experiment where a group of students were ordered to act as guards and be strict as possible while another group were told to act as prisoners. It got carried away and was overall a failed experiment.
I heard the Milgram experiment was unethical and caused psychological issues to several participants
@@raspberrycrowns9494 Stanford was more of a social experiment on “what happens if seemingly good folks are given authority over others.”
And that’s also deemed unethical as well.
4:42 very reminiscent of "it was just a joke bro"
1. This is also my favourite X Men scene
2. If I had walked out of the cinema after this scene and missing the rest of the film I would still have been satisfied.
3. I must have googled 'magneto nazi hunter" at least once a week for a considerable time after seeing First Class hoping there would be such a thing in the works.
4. Fassbender gives a great audition for James Bond here I reckon.
5. Lastly (yet most importantly) - and I'll keep this brief or I'll only write an essay on the subject but Tim - I tip my hat to you. Debunking Nazi myths is important work. Very educational. Hopefully people will realise that people like this exist today and are no better than these 2 in the bar. "Look at them" you say, "they dont look evil enough to be war criminals and commit mass murder, they are everyday blokes". You have all met these guys, but you stoke the flames, appeal to their lower intellect, bitterness and hatred then promise them or give them some power and then you have deaths,unrest, more anger . Great topic to hit on given the times. But of course there is never a bad time to take a dump on the waste of oxygen that was members of the SS. Angry lowlifes given a uniform and a big stick and told that it is in fact someone elses fault and you should punish them. Well explained and put.
Pig farmer and tailor is deliciously open ended in meaning. Either that was their former occupations before they joined the Nazi party. Or it alludes to their roles.
Tailor: processed/recycled all the clothes of the people sent to the furnaces.
Pig Farmer: was in charge of running a concentration camp, and how he sees the victims that were fed into it.
Is was definitively one of the best scenes from the whole X-Men series. As you said, it showed the Nazis as humans. Not as comic monsters, but but as human monsters. And I need to say, as a German it was very satisfying too.
Humans love to classify people who have done horrible things as “inhuman”. But it is the exact opposite, humanity is a bunch of hyper intelligent apes that have left the trees. We are capable of great things but we are equally capable of terrible things, especially when driven by our instincts and emotions. The people of Germany were in a terrible situation in the decades between WW1 and WW2, to the point where Hitler’s ideas were able to ignite their anger and direct it to do great evil. If we can’t accept that Nazis were human beings just like us and we’re not all pure evil we risk following in their footsteps.
Im sure im not the first one to say this but as an argentinian i loooove this scene so much and it was really satisfying to watch but also a bit distracting the first time i saw it since the movie says that this scene take place in villa gesell and you can see mountains but in reality villa gesell its a city in the coast of the ocean and with no mountains so i remember a lot of people in the theater holding their laughs , of course that quickly changed when we realise what whas happenning and start chearing for magneto.
Ps: sorry for the bad english
This scene carried me all the way to the end of Apocalypse. If he'd killed a Hitler in hiding I probably would have gone to see Dark Phoenix.
Only thing you need to know about Dark Phoenix is that in the end, Charles moves in with Erik in his anarchist farm commune.
@@erikw.s.5209 Tupping heck yes.
Michael Fassbender will always be the definitive Magneto for me. If nothing else, the guy actually is German. That lends a kind of authenticity to the role. With all due respect to Sir Ian McKellen, his version just seems like a generic British bad guy. Fassbender actually shows us the sheer fury of a Holocaust survivor.
I like Ian's take for its campy gravitas and wonderful dynamic with Patrick Stewart, but you're right that Michael's performance is a lot more intense. But that's just me, enjoying recklessly cheesy shit just as much as the serious stuff.
@@n.l.g.6401 Yeah, you do you. Nothing wrong with recklessly cheesy shit. I just think a Holocaust survivor villain deserves some level of seriousness otherwise his characterization just feels a little empty.
@@chowyee5049 I think that's a problem with X-Men in general: It's an inherently camp genre trying to tackle very serious issues. Like, even its core premise--mutants as a civil rights allegory--loses some of its potency when you remember that the oppressed class is running around in spandex and has super powers. It's incredibly difficult to strike that balance between social commentary and goofy action, and with a series as long-running and commercialized as X-Men, it's bound to list too far to one side or the other at times.
@@n.l.g.6401 I agree about problems with the allegory since it kind of does a disservice to oppressed groups by comparing the real world struggle to a fictional group who literally do have dangerous powers that makes the issue actually complicated. The allegory also flip flops from being vague about what kind of civil rights group to being a verbatim depiction of a coming out scene (with Iceman in one of the films).
Ian McKellan's magneto was much older than Fassbender's though which would help explain that difference in fury.
They are supposed to be the same person based on Days of Future Past, for what that's worth
“... They were fired up men in a cult, who were told they were better than those around them, given weapons, and free reign...”
The parallel to current events in the US is strikingly...haunting, Tim😬
Plus, you covered Magneto ... take my thumbs up.
Ironically, in America, they were told that the Nazis took away their weapons.
This is a lie propagated by gun advocacy groups. Those who do not care for history. In reality, the wealthy and "pure" Germans were given lots of weapons. And they were even encouraged to form militias. Most prominent of them was the "Volksturm" which the NRA would never mention or even acknowledge the existence of.
Furthermore, the police were given the right to arrest anyone whom they found "disrespectful" which in reality caused left-wingers, such as liberal, social democrats, and socialists to be locked up. But not only political opponents, but also especially Jews.
@@Thor.Jorgensen you learn that in a classroom?
@@joogullae3456 No. And certainly not in an American classroom.
I do a lot of reading and have visited a lot of historical sites and museums. Visited a few concentration camps and I have some insight from the stories told by my grandparents.
My own grandfather was a resistance fighter and saboteur during the occupation. His brother was a policeman who went to a concentration camp in North Germany, when the entire Danish police force was sent to the camps, to be completely replaced by the German military - Wehrmacht.
Prior to all this, my grandfather worked for Siemens-Schuckert in Sønderborg. He resigned after the NSDAP was elected in 1933 when he was informed that Siemens would be controlled by the fascist state and serve the German military. He was gifted a brass pocket watch by Siemens upon his resignation, with Siemens' inscription on the back, which I still have today. After that, he went on to become a farmer and a volunteer firefighter. He continued this profession during and after the occupation, although he quit as a volunteer firefighter after the occupation, but continued his profession as a farmer for the rest of his life.
It would be an understatement to say that it was difficult for citizens in occupied countries to get a hold of weapons. But in Germany, if you were wealthy and "pure" it was hard to avoid handed a gun almost free of charge. And it was free of charge during the later years of the regime.
I've always been interested in history, ever since I listened to my grandfather's stories when I was little. And since then I have wanted to learn more. So almost every day I seek more information about the past, in my spare time.
I can only implore you to go and look for yourself, rather than believe what political pundits want you to believe.
@@Thor.Jorgensen I've read many books on the subject, i love history, although all my books were from American Authors admittedly. If you have any suggestions I would love some.
The parallels to 30's Germany have been apparent for the past 4-ish years.
The really outrageous thing in this scene is that the location is obscenely wrong (Villa Gesell is a beach town, not anywhere near the Andes), and that the bartender has a cartoonish Mexican accent and uses the expression "detente cabrón", two words Argentinians most decidedly do not use. I guess in the eyes of the US we are southern Mexico or something like that.
Haven't you noticed? If it's on a screen and Spanish is being spoken, it's Mexico. Always Mexico. Suuuure, Hollywood might pretend they know the names of any country in South America, but nope. Mexico. Culture? Mexican. Dress? Mexican. Houses? Mexican. Slang? Mexican. I just wish they would give up trying to pretend other places exist and never call any Spanish-speaking place anything *other* than Mexico, just so that I can stop being offended.
(sorry for rant, pet peeve of mine lol)
that's bad, but it actually made me feel better. Only foreign languages i speak are English and a bit of Russian so everything sounded quite right for me (and man, i love hearing foreign languages in cinema), but then i heard that "Polish" in Apocalypse... and let me tell you, i feel you bro, but thank god my native language is not alone XD
Nerd Sync, Overly Sarcastic Blue and Red, Hitop films, Cinema Wins, Comic Drake, Hello future me. So many notifications from so many great RUclipsrs
00:17 "you know the drill"
me: *has no idea what he's talking about*
Eric’s face when Xavier said “they are just following orders” 😂
This is the scene that cemented Michael Fassbender as Magneto for me. His indignant yet serene rage towards these foul men for their unfortunately ordinary hatred towards him and his people. He has nothing but righteous contempt for them, and it's just magnificent.
Speaking about War Crimes, why did that actor have to get massacred like that?
lmao was wanting to say like, sure I get it, Nazi's deserve to be roasted but in the context of this being a movie, Hello Future Me is kinda just roasting some poor guy for his looks who's *playing* a Nazi.
@@getschwifty5537 I don't know if it was how this man looked specifically so much as the fact that he was old and pathetic compared to the common depiction of nazi's as strong and frightening
I dont remember that actors name, but I´m pretty sure I have seen him in multiple movies/shows and "rat-like pathetic baddie" seems to be what the poor dude gets typecast for.
"he just happened to come across them." Wait, I thought the implication of this scene was that he was spending most of his spare time hunting for Nazis? In which case he was likely frequenting locations where there was a high likelihood of him finding his quarry.
the way the music builds, the way Erik cheerfully says how his parents were stripped of their dignity, and the calm way in which he shows them his serial tattoo...perfect
I didn't expect to see all these Magneto videos today lol
you can't just drop all of these on me at the same time, i have a life!
Not anymore, wellcome to the crowd ;)
I can’t believe hearing someone else highlighting how underappreciated this scene was. Thank you.
I risk killing conversations just to bring up this scene and describe in rich detail how incredible it is.
Fun fact, the movie shows Villa Gesell in the mountains, irl Villa Gesell is in the beach.
Interesting that you used footage of Man in the High Castle to illustrate how we mytologize the Nazis. The politics of that show had been a bit befuddling. I remember the creators talking about that scene almost with childish giggles about how cool thousands of stormtrooper under one roof looks which made me a little uncomfortable: it is exactly how the OG Nazis wished people would react to their propaganda films.
Are you just saying that because it's an alternate history show with the main concept of "What if Axis won WW2" or do you have actual basis for thinking the politics of the show is "befuddling".
@@gokbay3057 You are right. It was a bit hyperbolic. Edited to be more precise.
That _is_ uncomfortable.
Kinda reminds me about how for years the History Channel aired copious documentaries detailing the nazi war machine as if there weren’t people nerding out about for some heinous reasons
@@rosemarymcbride3419 Ah a fellow Quinton Review fan, I persume.
Should definitely be longer. You are a master artist man.
TIM, I ALREADY LOVED ALL YOUR VIDEOS BUT THIS ONE SIMULTANEOUSLY KILLED ME AND MADE MY DAY HAHAHA. CAN WE GET MORE LIKE THIS SOMETIMES? hopefully you enjoyed making this cuz what a fun journey :)
"and yes, comics are art" you wouldn't believe how many people don't believe that...though considering the examples you'd find in a wallmart or gass station book rack or what have you I honestly can't really blame 'em.
the other MASSIVELY prevalent art prejudice I run into constantly is that basically anything internet associated gets instantly disregarded which is exspecially weird since webcomics and web serials (basically books written and published a chapter at a time online) are one of the very rare cases where the 90/10 rule breaks down heavily in favor of better quality: short version is that since it's all self-published you have a disproportinate percentage of people who don't really care about what they are making simply dropping it as they realize making regular updates is actually pretty hard work and people who either really care about what they are making or are making something specifically to self-improve tend to stick with it a lot more.
it also helps that you don't have a publisher/etc dictating what you produce.
of course, caring about what you're doing doesn't always mean you can actually _DO_ it, there is a LOT of work that goes into this stuff that has nothing to do with artwork and being able to get that done effectively matters in so many ways. heck: the single most impressive webcomic I've ever seen has frankly bad artwork and high-side-of-mediocre storytelling, what's impressive about it is that a 2-man team has managed to go through 20 frieking years of daily updates and small buisness management without missing an update or failing to fulfill a business deal.
you still get the occasional wildly successful piece of crap though since it's basically fanbase dependent and it's really easy to end up with a fanbase that cares more about being part of the fanbase than the associated work, and/or cares more about the associated work identifying as part of an associated subculture.
It's sad that you have to say comics are art. Of course they're art, and they're beautiful, and sadly looked down upon by too many.
It's not comics that get a bad wrap, it's the dudes who read them. Talk to any Rorschach fan and you'll get what I mean. -.-
@@Kaipyro67ALT Isn't saying that perpetuating the bad wrap comics get. I don't deny that there are toxic comic fans, but there are toxic fans of literally everything. But toxic fans are usually just an extremely vocal minority. And it's not something unique to comics.
5:00 Another of those Army Catch 22's.
Either you disobey orders and you're executed by your own side.
Or you obey orders and you get executed by the enemy.
I had forgotten how much I love this scene. Thank you for making me realise why.
It took me (a German) the whole video to understand you were saying "Wehrmacht", the name of the german military at the time.😂
Nice video👍
7 "X-cellent" videos on 7 different channels in the last 5 minutes 🤔
What are you up to Disney?
And all the notifications came in the exact same second
Seven? I've only subscribed to Hello Future me and Overly Sarcastic Productions.
@@matimatimati1992 Hello Future Me and Lesson From The Screen Play both had one at the same time. I searched "one X-cellent" in RUclips and found the others.
Patrick H Willams just added a video too!
The other channels look like good ones too. I just may subscribe 👍
Disneylatti confirmed
Thank NandoVMovies who started this. He's also behind the "One Marvelous scene" series too
This just popped in my head. Magneto's helmet prevents Charles from getting in his head, but is there anything stopping him from psychically taking the helmet off when Magneto isn't paying attention?
Charles is a telepath, not a telekinetic. he can read and potentially control minds, not move things with his own. jean grey, is both, so she gets a pass.
Your humor in this is absolutely gold
This is my favourite scene ever, as a German I can relate to both Erik and the nazi scum. And yes, him killing them in such brutal ways feels like christmas.
6:30 feels realllly relevant today
This was actually one of my favorite scenes in this movie. There's always a certain kind of humor that especially comes from Magneto's scenes, with his magnetic powers but it does not take away from the effectiveness of them. This one is no exception.
From my point of view, you nailed it.
I remember reading (sorry I couldn't find the source) that the scenes where Lehnsherr is hunting Nazis in and the dialogue with Xavier are what's left of the could have been the Magneto origin movie.
The movie was supposed to follow Erik Lehnsherr and Charles Xavier during the 50's and 60's. Their meeting in Israel, their growing friendship and their breaking apart because of their divergent believes.
Lehnsherr, scared by his time in the camps, thinking that the humans will turn against the mutants and would treat them has the Nazis treated his people. Making his goal to ensure that mutantkind would never be suffer the same fate by systematically eliminating threats.
Xavier, always the idealist, wanting to follow the path of mutual understanding and peaceful coexistence by showing that mutants are people and can be a gift for humanity (i.e. Xavier’s school for gifted youngsters).
This movie would have painted Magneto has a man so blinded by his goals that he became what he hated most: a mutant supremacist.
His pronunciation of myth and meth sound incredibly similar, he did say meth, correct? Like, Nazis were doing meth??
Yes. They gave their soldiers meth to keep them going. It's part of how they pulled off the blitzkrieg against France.
@@Meshakhad ain't that fucking something, huh?
@@laarrsiavelli many soldiers were on drugs back then, even the americans and brits used them. Though more commonly as painkillers.
To be fair, they were also high on myths.
Another Unfun Fact: these people also helped the fucking bullcrap homoeopathy is to get to somewhere.
Hello Future Me: today we are talking about killing Nazis!
RUclips: that's wrong. Demonitized!
This breakdown is f#%king brilliant. Really glad you got this one, T. Perfect match
Really excellent analysis of a really excellent scene! :D
Kind of harsh to keep hammering the "rat face" nail. It's the actor whose appearance you're attacking, after all, not an actual nazi.
That’s probably why they chose him lol
His looks were intentional for the character
@@sociallyineptspider-man2366 Sure that's how casting works.
snowflake alert
Jesus Christ
I believe he was attacking the character on the basis that he is a Nazi, not attacking the actor on the basis of his appearance. He is a rat because he is a Nazi.
“The nazis were really made up by the inflamed prejudices of ordinary people.” Wow. That is so succinct and powerful. And incredibly relevant today.
This scene was honestly one of my favorites.
One of the actors (Ludger Pistor) playing the two Nazis (the "following orders" guy) has played some goofy characters at mid-size budget German TV production or comedy movies. This made this scene into one of the weirdest 4th wall breaks I ever experienced.
Finally, a nuanced analysis of the Nazis that neither hyper-demonizes or hyper-humanizes them!
The Nazis dis not become the ruling party just because they were brutal. Or because of a smart or charismatic leader. Or because most of the population voted for them. Or because they pulled off a coup d’état. None (save the first) of these are an apt description of the Nazis.
They rose to power because they were a loud and radical minority tolerated by the majority. And when you start tolerating racists, fascists, and narcissists, you start heading down the same path our ancestors in Germany did.
I love your take on it, really reminiscent of Jung and his views on how everyone has the capacity to be monsters given the right circumstances.
Love your work as usual.
I was wondering why so many videos were with the title X-cellent, thanks for clearing that up
What the hell? "The Take" and "Overly Sarcastic Productions" both put out videos with the exact same "X-Cellent" pun at exactly the same time as yours? That's a very strange coincidence.
Not just them, also "Hello Future Me" and other youtubers all posted them at the exact same time. Do a youtube search of "one X-cellent scene." What the heck is going on......???
MathShinobi yeah normally these types of collaboration are in made in hype of something, like the marvelous thing was for Endgame, or monstrous for Godzilla King of Monsters
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px New Mutants is potentially (finally!) coming out.
it's not a coincidence, it's intentional. this has happened before.
I mean, Magneto also turned into basically mutant-hitler
"Its ok if we do it" said every group of people ever.
That shit can happen when a bunch of liberal-centrist white dudes try to write a civil rights allegory. X-Men is beautifully and hilariously flawed like that.
Not really. More like he turned into a mutant Malcolm X, as the foil to Charles' role as a mutant MLK. They both want to ensure the survival of mutants in a world that despises them, but Charles wants to do it by teaching humans to accept mutants and live alongside them as equals. Magneto wants to do it by killing humans before they kill mutants. The comics actually show that they're both right. The Sentinels and the people who built them are too big of a threat for Charles to make peace with, and Apocalypse is too evil for Magneto to tolerate. There are other examples, but those are the most obvious ones.
@@josh-oo Thank you. Comparing Magneto to Hitler ignores the wildly mismatched power dynamics at play. Mutants actually are under constant threat from humans in the X-men narrative. White germans were never under threat from other races. In fact they held most social and economic power in german society. They just wanted to believe they were.
@@fffianist Exactly. I'm glad I'm not the only one here who's done their research (by reading comics and watching cartoons).
Hell i remember when i went to ski to Villa Gesell, thankfully it's only 100 km from Mar del Plata. The perfect Holiday spot all year long!
MagNATO and the most french sounding german accent ever. You sir have a new subscriber.
Why do I have a feeling that this sort of scene will be repeated in the near future, but with Sino NAZIS masquerading as "Communists" instead...
I still find it "unrealistic" that they depicted the Soviets as anti-mutant as the west. First of all, the Soviets were almost never the aggressor in the Cold War. They mostly reacted to western aggression. The Warsaw Pact was founded as a reaction to NATO, East Germany after the founding of West Germany, the nukes were put on Cuba after the US had put such in Turkey and so on. They certainly wouldn't have wanted to attack the mutants first.
Not to mention that the Soviet Union was for a long time a haven for minorities from all over the world to get free education etc. I don't think, they would have been against mutants at all.
Expectations for a fair depiction of the Soviet Union in Western cinema need to be seriously managed
*Stalin throwing all jewish doctors into gulags intensifies*
*Anti-semitic propaganda intensifies*
*transforming the modern ethnic makeup of entire nations within a lifetime intensifies*
*decossackisation intensifies*
*collective punishment, exile and replacement of entire ethnic groups intensifies*
*destalinisation campaigns denouncing all of stalin's "genocidal" policies intensify*
*oppression of the small greek population*
*mass transfers of different "anti-worker" siberian peoples*
absolute haven for minorities lol
@sdguy 1
Well, polls show people, who actually lived during those times, prefered it compared to how things are now. So yeah... :^)
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901
**A guy literally called "Alt-Centrist" trying very hard to make Soviets look as bad as possible, even by taking things out of context, telling half-truths, exaggerating and spreading outright frabrications, all while gish gallopping extremely intensifies*
The propaganda was directed against all religions, including but not limited to Christianity and Islam, because communist ideology is atheist.
Most deportations, while admittedly done very sloppily and hastily, were not done for ethnic reasons, but were intended as punishment for Nazi cooperation during the war among other crimes. Other ones were directed at the elites of a group, such as landlords, rich people etc.
EDIT:
Minorities, which went to the Soviet Union, came mostly from very poor countries and weren't fluent English-speaking western celebrities. They came mostly from West Asia, East Asia and Africa, the latter of which had plenty of war waged by European colonisers back then.
@@BanBootlicking I wasn't talking about any religions, I was only talking about ethnicities, you can be an ethnic but not a religious jew, as karl marx was. Entire ethnic groups were collectively punished for the actions of some who sided with the nazis due to their own beliefs that the soviets were more oppressive following a number of famines and oppressive deportations (the deported koreans were first and as a group did nothing in russia) and some were genocided due to the belief that they didn't support worker's rights enough as a collective ethnicity and culture. I also deliberately avoided the targeting of elites.
And I mean hey, if you're more extreme than lenin and krushchev I think that speaks volumes about you, much more than my clearly joke name says about me.
omg thats really cool that you got invited to do this :O
You truly do your best work when you use art to mirror reality. Great vid.
And the award for best RUclips title goes to..
Too me that was the coolest scene in the movie. I loved how magneto didn’t just say that his parents were killed by not nazis, but instead regular dudes.
Eric's line after Charle's "just following orders" line is one of the most powerful lines in cinema and has become my clap-back whenever someone uses the line one me: "ive seen what men following orders can do"
I want more X-Cellent content, please!
This is one the best scenes EVER! Sadly most movies suck but just this one scene is exquisite!
i saw the title and knew it must be happening again. it's video essay marathon time
I always loved this scene. Erik was sooo cool in first class and well written in the movie
One of the best videos I've ever seen...