While I don't agree with kickstarter as preorder / promo by a large company, the prints are super clean. 0.15 on the clearance test is not easy to achieve!!! Crazy how far along bowden ooze control has come in the last few years.
@@toyotatrd Considering Creality is one of the most popular brands on the market with a solid reputation, and the printer is in preproduction already, it's a pretty solid bet you'll get your machine.
@@toyotatrd Creality has a great reputation and this will help them to communicate with their customer base. Needless to say we Kickstarter supporters are getting nothing but good news. I recommend you support it so you get it a bit cheaper and get a ton of benefits. :D
I backed this machine early on, and I'm glad I did. I've got the E3P but this has everything I've been hoping for IMO. Best review of the CR 6-SE I've seen so far. New subscriber! Thank you!
You'll end up eating the (approximately) $100 difference. Considering the track record of Creality and their quality products, this KS isn't really a risk versus unproven companies.
Thanks Joel! Great review on this product and very helpful for someone looking in to making this printer his very first printer (like myself). I did "pull the trigger" and back the printer, partly because of your feedback. I share your excitement and partly your concerns as well. I look forward to seeing you work with this machine, but also I look forward to using it myself. 😊 Take care! High five! (From a safe distance)
I bought a 6-SE at MicroCenter and honestly, i am so happy to have a solid and reliable printer where i can hit print and once the first couple layers start, i can do something else without worrying
One more thing i'd like to know when the printer pauses, either by clicking pause or by filament runout: does it dis-engage the stepper motors? Every time i have paused a print on my ender 3, after i think something like 10 minutes, the motors dis-engage, which has allowed it to drop the gantry a little bit, enough to cause a collision when resuming the print, and if the part hasn't popped of due to the cold bed already, the nozzle smashing into it as travel speeds surely would
Also backed it with options. Great machine, no probs. Also got Prusa Mini. I prefer the Mini, but need a bigger build plate from time to time. Software design on the touchscreen is a bit clunky. These are my first two machines. I want to thank you and the rest of the RUclipsrs in the 3D printing community for your contribution to getting me down the learning curve.
@@magnussamuelsson2630 Its a fantastic machine honestly. I've had it for around 6 weeks and can't fault it. I have no use of either of my thumbs and this machine takes away all the stress of gripping clips and things. It printed perfectly out of the box and still does now
@@magnussamuelsson2630 its okay! not always the best and sometimes (rarely) i have to level twice but its still kicking! deff made a difference in my prints
Its using a nozzle probe, nozzle impact beds, causes it to hit a FSR switch in the toolhead i believe, so its doing a mesh level like every other printer with a probe of some sort (inductive, bl touch etc.) Nothing super special
A year later, trying to get back into 3D printing, I bought this machine. So far, it's worked great with Creality filament, although it has been a real challenge to get prints to release. With my ancient previously opened filament, I've not been able to get it to stick prints. I've got two more ancient but never-removed-from-the packaging filaments to try. Wish me luck...
Thanks Joel! Great video as always... After all my hassles with printing PETG on my CR-10 Mini over the past week, this is very, very, veeeeeeeeee... *deep breath* ... eeeeeery tempting.
Thanks for giving us a first look! I tried to purchase the Ender 3-Pro from Ali 3 times with no luck. My money is on hold and said they can't ship from China to US. Was reluctant but ended up backing the Kickstarter for CR-6. It looks like they're shipping from HK. First time on KS and never owned a printer. I thoroughly enjoy all your videos. Thank you!
As an owner of a Ender 3 Pro, which I bought with the glass bed as an extra option, this kinda feels like an Ender 3 with all the most popular upgrades from the community.. That said, I can't judge the hot end, sensors and electronics of course. On top of that, I can hardly imagine a Creality printer would disappoint. Informative video as usual, thanks Joel.
My main worry is all of these high profile reviewers being sent the best printers, and the build quality varying heavily once production happens. As much as I love my CR-10, it's taken a lot of work to get it to a state where it's reliable, with plenty of aftermarket parts, and the build plate that came with it wasn't even usable due to warping. I'm hopeful that the production units will be as polished as the review units, but I'll have to wait until some of these are in the field before I decide to throw down the money.
they have send me BROKEN hardware that I had to fix. heck my cr6 SE stopping working live on stream (grubs came lose on the drive gear in the feeder) let me tell you it was no fun getting that spring back in. Most of these established companies can't be bothered to try and "cherry pick" units for people.
Hey Joel, just a quick update in case you haven't been following. Kickstarter users are FURIOUS with Creality over this printer. Many of them are arriving broken, miswired, potentially bad enough to be fire hazards, faulty power switches which might be shorted out, and today they announced that they're starting to sell to resellers before even completing their kickstarter backers' orders. I received my printer yesterday without ANY of the add-ons I ordered (almost $200-$250 worth), and many others have had the same thing happen. Creality is deflecting and not answering questions directly at all. I think you should seriously consider posting a third update about everything going on, maybe reach out to Creality about it, because being such an enthusiastic/vocal person who supported the idea of this campaign, their recent shenanigans might reflect poorly on your channel which I really love and support.
The trick to using the Creality glass build surface (on my Ender 3 Pro) for ABS is to coat it with ABS dissolved in acetone. It sticks very will. I turn off the fan and heat the bed to 100C, nozzle temp (+-)220C . I've used it quite a bit. I need an enclosure to print large ABS prints. I get layer separation at about 3/4" tall. I have two separate glass surfaces, one for PLA, cleaned with alcohol and the other for ABS with the coating above.
Backed it, because of this video. Great features, good improvements over the Ender 3 that (I think) justifies the price difference. And with a 32-bit board (was a stretch goal that was met) it's just that much better.
actually thats a big "upgrade" for us :-) all past machines are MINI USB though I actually think mini is superior for this application (sturdier) Would have loved USB C but there really is no point on something like this.
And what would you have wanted? USB-C? That's BARELY showing up in notebook PCs right now, and open source drivers are too damn new (source: Linux kernel dev as my day job).
The flexible filament is filaflex from recreus, a Spanish company. The website was on the spool. They also make some less flexible ones that are easier to print on a bowden setup
Very interested in getting this only there are 2 things in the way: 1. debating on whether to buy a prusa mini or one of these 2. Not entirely interested in backing in it on kickstarter so I may have to wait.
In the same exact position, but I don't do kickstarters and the mini has 4 months lead time. So I'm going to wait after summer... I already have an ender 3 after all.
I ordered mine the first day. Shipping seems high, but does look like a great machine. I agree that the kickstarter is more like an advertising ploy, but seems to have worked.
I know there’s tons of Ender and CR10 channels out there (hopefully they continue with the CR6 as well) but I’m excited to see Joel jump in more on this and maybe potentially make some getting started or tips and tricks in his style when the CR6 ships!
I’m helping Creality with firmware stuff for the Ender 3 v2, but there’s likely to be some overlap with this model, so be sure to keep us posted about any issues you see. The probe is particularly great. You get the very best results when the probe is the nozzle.
*Shameless plug* I have one you might find useful one day: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4133753 I made this to combat the problem he mentioned of the filament not feeding into the PTFE tube properly. On my Ender 3 I have to take the tube of everytime I want to change filamnts, no idea why. Maybe you find this useful, anyway thanks for reading and have fun printing.
1:46 "The build dimensions are 235 on X, 235 on Y and 250 on Zee or Zed, though the build plate size is nearly the same as a Prusa Mk3 flex plate rotated ninety degrees." Wait, what? My English parser must be broken. Isn't a 235 x 235mm bed rotated ninety degrees... still 235 x 235mm???
I love the hug each other, but high five from a safe distance. Great video and can't wait to see some testing with different build plates to get those ABS prints to stick. Can't wait to get my CR-6 when ever it arrives.
Looks like what I want as a second printer (have a CR10 now). But, I really don't want to fiddle with the whole Kickstarter silliness, just want to buy it. Great review!!!
There's a lot of boardgame companies, COMPANIES, that use Kickstarter as a "pre-order" system. Not just indie folks. So Kickstarter has evolved, or at least, companies are using it for things like this. Thank you for that look at the machine!!
I much prefer that kind of glass over flexible build plate because that gets scratched so easily. My glass plate still looks as good as new on my Ender 3.
Same here very happy with my Ender 3 Pro, great printer for the price. So I pre-ordered it I was going to wait, but I knew I would end up buying so it makes sense to get it while its cheaper. This 6E has features I wish the Pro had. Now I will have 2 printers, am I Official a farm now? LOL.
Great point about the morphing of KS! I've been active with KS campaigns from almost day 1, and have been burned by a couple. Presenting almost complete products gives backers a heckuva lot more confidence that they will actually see a product in the end, so I have no problem with KS as a "pre-order" system. In fact, I kind of prefer it.
$319 is honestly pretty fair. Considering the upgrades in specs that they did can be done on a $200 printer that doesnt have them. It would still cost close or more than $320 total, while also risking damaging the printer itself. I don't think the auto bed leveller is as good as the bltouch, but its still going to do its job.
I do not think using Kickstarter is too bad personally, I am not sure why it is such a big deal. It is an easy way to provide early bird discounts at different tiers (which makes it worth getting over msrp) and there seems to be some reasonable stretch goals which is always nice to have. I have backed a few things on Kickstarter like the Copperhead Hotend and Tilt Five, and they are basically doing the same thing. This was a great overview compared to your unboxing, so much appreciated, even though I already backed it :D My biggest concern with everything I have seen so far is the x carriage belt alignment. 18:32 you can see the huge angle of the belt. This is issue because not only does it cause x carriage torque at the extremities of x position, but it will actually change how much the x carriage moves (Pythagoras) resulting in less dimensional accuracy at those extremities. Is it a big deal? probably not, either way my intention is to convert it to direct drive and I will definitely fix that in my design 😊
Re: ABS I wonder if the open frame has anything to do with it? Otherwise yeah, PEI should do the trick, or maybe hairspray/ABS Gloop on bare glass. I have not tried ABS juice yet, it's on my bucket list. I'm assuming the filament was bone dry when you tried it.
Really been waiting for a 3D printer of this quality to buy for awhile now. But went to go back this, and can't believe the one credit card I have (Discover) will not work!! WTF am I to do!! Can't believe it!!
Joel, very nicely done and a great selection of prints to show of. People who can exercise some patience (we live in a I-want-it-now society) will be rewarded with a very good printer (in its class) for a lower price.
to be fair .. creality did state in one of there live streams that the primary and main reason was to use it as a pre-order platform and to see how popular the machine would be
i hear you on the flexible build plate but i have a (i think) similar bed on my cr10- v2 - i have come from a flashforge printer with a flexible build plate and while i loved that i found the usual problems of prints not sticking... with that i had to use a glue stick and a raft every time to get it to work. granted, as soon as the print was done i could remove the build plate, bend it and get the print off but...the build plate on the cr-10 which i think is the same one as this is fantastic, i use isopropyl to clean the bed and as long as i have levelled it propperly it sticks straight away and my first layer is beautiful. once the print is finished and the bed cools the print literally pops off so i dont need a flexible bed anyway. took me a while to get used to it but i love it now.
the Creality Ender 3 pro glass is amazing. it has some kind of coating that just makes everything stick. I print PLA at 35C bed and PETG at 40C, havent had a print come loose in half a year. Im using a brim though, as its easy to remove and you can reduce temps even further. I have no idea why people print PLA at 60C bed, just not use a flat glass pane.
i will never go back to a solid bed from flexible again if I can help it. the convenience factor is just too huge. I also like doing heater off printing which you really can't do with glass (when your running 20 machines the electric bill can be quite substantial unless you can turn the heat bed off :-)
Currently saving up for either a Prusa Mini or a TriangleLabs Prusa MK3S Bear. Creality's outdone themselves (I like how they've refined the mechanical system), but I've been so spoiled by the spring steel sheet and inductive tramming sensor.
Great review, thanks! I do hope they leave the build plate on during paused prints, that needs to happen. I actually wish (and I'm sure there will be a hack for it later) there was a way for an audible alarm to sound, as well. Even if they just have a normally-open connection get closed by the runout sensor so I can connect a buzzer or whatever.. I don't care too much about ABS not sticking, I've never printed with it, and between warping and fumes, I'm not really interested. The flexi was a pretty amazing fail, but I wasn't expecting a bowden to print flexi super great anyway. I actually have only used direct drive on my Anet A6, so I'm not well-versed on the bowden style. (How do you continue a run-out on bowden, anyway? Does new filament just force the other through the tube reliably and contiguously?) I think the kickstarter price is a good deal and it looks like it's going to be worth it.
Thanks Joel I did back it too. Reason: it seems as a neophyte to 3D printing this machine has a lot of new technology that when I have exhaustively studied all the 3D RUclipsr it incorporates a majority their wish lists
Given that the 6e is a Bowden system, the flexible worked pretty well. And yeah, the Kickstarter thing is odd, but the printer looks to be highly polished.
Update, backers Get a first from Creality 32bit Board with tmc2209 drivers. Also they are giving 10 0.4 nozzles & 1 extra PTFE tube, Maybe add that to the end of the video.
A pre-order system....maybe...except that with kickstarter you don't have any warranty, you receive a prototype.... and kickstarter is not a store. no refund, no warraty if you are not plenty satisfied. Anyway, a really good video as always, nice catapult !
Many are upset that this isn't really a "Kick Starter" in terms of needing R&D Funds, and more of a Pre-Order, but I'm OK with it. I know way too many people that have been burned by KickStarters that sounded amazing, should have been great, and then NOPE nothing...never got the product. I backed this, only because I liked the idea, and I have a Ender3 that I have literally put over 6,000 hours onto since getting it...kilo after kilo of filament through it, and it JUST FREAKING WORKS. Many have no luck with their Ender3...I've had my ups and downs, but lately? ALL GOOD like for the past 2.5 years all good...I don't even have a BLTouch or the like on it...I haven't touched the level in 4 or 5 months...but it just works. :)
I would still like to see a retail option for both models, at some point. It's also unfortunate the last stretch goal wasn't $4M; a Kickstarter-themed 3D printer would've turned some heads, like Prusa's own line.
It's an amazing machine. if you are backing this on Kickstarter, you have the ability to give feedback on what you think about this machine, what Creality can add, or should change. And Joel, You are awesome
As always Joel an awesome video! You always have me hooked, and your nerdy jokes I just can't help laughing at :-) top job buddy and thank you for your insight. I've also backed this so lets see what turns up eh :-)
Yeah totally agree with you Joel. I don't get why Creality went the Kickstarter route. I've back a couple of failed Kickstarters, and they really have a reputation of maybe you'll get something, maybe you won't. Is Creality really hurting for R&D investment that badly?
I've never used a flex bed but I can see where they would be nice in ways. That said though, my CR-10S came with it's glass and once leveled properly it prints amazingly on it and I don't use any glues or tapes to do so. Sticks quite well to the bed yet can be pried off easily enough as well after a minute of cooling.
I used the flexible that came with my ender 3 pro one time and replaced it with glass. Its stuck to my office mini fridge with no intention of ever using it again.
I thought the same. This is for them to get a feel of the demand for this model category. So it was a pre-order system and some cash infusion. But it will be hard from the pre order system to find out how many people are going to order the unit once it hits full production. They will need to dump the ender 3 pro. They need to have a cheap sub $200 printer (Ender 3) and then this unit in the mid $300 I would say $350. FYI I pre ordered , I have an Ender 3 Pro, and slowing building farm so this new unit is cheap.
What is your opinion cr-6se compared to the Ender 3 Pro? Price performance, print quality, upgrades, etc. How do you see it? Would the Creality cr-6 se be a better investment than an Ender 3 Pro? I like your content. Keep it up👍🏻
Joel, so here is the question I'm left with after watching the review. You mentioned that you didn't have much success with ABS or TPU, and your PETG prints were only "okay". Do you think that these are issues that can be addressed through firmware updates, or is this going to end up being a PLA only-ish printer? Thanks for the review, and keep on with the great work.
For TPU, I suspect I need a better / drier TPU. For ABS, it was printing it fine, but it needs a better way to adhere to the bed. PETG was okay, but tuning a profile would make it better. I think there are going to be a large number of people that will use this as PLA only, though, I don't think that's it's only future.
I bought the Creality CR 6 SE and it's great! as I'm an old man and not so sharp this 3D-ing is not easy, although I do have the Ender 3 Pro too. shame so much distance from Spain to USA, I have so many questions and need lots of help
I think that if we can't print correctly Flexible, because Flexible has a lot of retraction. it has to have the possibility to change offset reduced the gap between the nozzle and the heating bed on autolevelling. It 's the same for PETG). Is there the possibility to choose gap between nozzle and heating bed for autolevelling?
in 2020 it was on kick starter but not in 2022. on amazon 569 Can . I am analysing if i will buy this model seems interresting to me. would be my first 3D printer. after looking at so many models, why does Creality not add thos bars like on the cr 10 v 3 on all those models that place the filament roll on top? It would make the hole printer more rigid and stable no?
I backed it weeks ago good to see reviews coming out. Glad i backed it hopefully they atleast hit the 3000000 million mark would love to have the upgrade. I currently have an Ender 3 Pro and love it but this has all the upgrade i wish i had but i also want a second printer. I was wondering that if you back the kickstater would we be getting the 32 bit board or is that still up in the air? I hope to see more reviews about what this thing can do it seems alot more capable than a stock Ender even with a few add-ons and the fact that the fan seems to be blowing right at the nozzle or a little lower is awesome and the light looks nice too. Wish they would have made it a white light but Im sure i can solder a white led on it instead of blue.
If you have to order anything from Creality in HK....Just a heads-up....Took me about 2 1/2 months to get the product I ordered from there. They kept saying it was due to Coronavirus, but I had ordered other things from China after I ordered from them and they only took 3-4 weeks
I canceled my kickstarter support for this printer. I was thinking of how the print outs no matter how hard you try are never perfect or reproducable. I saw a more expensive xy unit and the results were really great. At 369 or so dollars, I'm not sure it's worth it.
@@michaelplaczek9385 Same (the pro though), its amazing with Cura, best entry level 3d printer to this day, perfect to learn along with upgrades etc. as well.
Makes sense if you've already got one. I needed to replace my FDM, and this makes sense vs the Ender 3 (less hassle, better features), and the KS price point is decent.
@@AndrewCislak I run an ender 3 pro and with the right profile (Cura) you can get absolutely perfect prints with common materials. The only problem I ever ran into is the fact that you kinda need to replace the extruder feeding part with a metal kit (10-15$, its super easy to install) because the stock one might break. Id say that if you dont want to print fancy materials like PC, the ender 3 pro is a steal of a deal at 200$. If you have the money and know that you will stick with 3d printing, the CR6 might still be worth it. However, if you want the abality to have access to the largest community that has the same printer and the most mods, the ender 3 right now is the best in this regard. Modding support for the CR6 will likely be large too within a short while as the printers arent too different I think. Over all, if the difference in price seems like its worth it to you (auto leveling is kinda cool to be honest, especially if you are a beginner) for the many quality and quality of life improvements, go for the CR6. If you are not sure you will stick to the hobby or your budget is a bit tighter, better get an ender 3 (with the metal extruder kit would be best, it really is super easy and cheap). The leftover 80$ is enough to pay for 2-3 rolls of filament or any further upgrades you might want down the line. Final note: Please use Cura, nkt Creality Slicer. I conducted a small test and Creality Slicer is pretty good, but Cura has so so many more options and results in visibly better prints. Also, Cura has the former mod called Creawsome integrated into its Creality profiles. This mod is basically an almost perfect profile in every regard, its absolutely amazing. Pardon the eventual typo, Im on mobile and english isnt my first language.
Interesting the bed looks a lot like the bed on the Cubicon single printers and they have no problem with ABS. I wonder what the print bed of the Cubicon single is made of..
I'm new (this year) to 3D printing. Could you do a video on the technology differences are between the Ender 6 and CR-6 SE? I love my Ender 5 pro, but I"m already drooling over the new features of the 6's... but they both seem to have cool technology the other doesn't. Like if I want the direct XY drive I can't get the auto bed level, etc. Love your show!
Got mine a couple days ago. Done around 15 prints (all pretty small) so far with the included filament. One failure and that was my fault. Set the bed temp wrong by accident.
Please do a new review, or update this one regarding Creality's poor policies and management of their Kickstarter project. As you can see in comments, these products are not shipping, shipped late, shipped wrong, and when/if they do arrive many are broken, damaged or haven't been QC'ed before shipping. Creality needs to be held accountable for managing such poor products and process.
While I don't agree with kickstarter as preorder / promo by a large company, the prints are super clean. 0.15 on the clearance test is not easy to achieve!!! Crazy how far along bowden ooze control has come in the last few years.
That’s just it. That 0.15 clearance test pass was done with default slicer settings. How cool is that?
Will you review it too?
7:35 thats awesome how the support comes clean out
Great review CR-6se! Definitely the best out of all the reviews that I have watched! Thanks for setting the bar!
I've backed this, you get a lot of bang for your buck, and seeing these prints has made me very happy to keep my order!
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There’s a chance you may not get it though
@@toyotatrd Creality is not a new company. Everybody will get their machines
@@toyotatrd Considering Creality is one of the most popular brands on the market with a solid reputation, and the printer is in preproduction already, it's a pretty solid bet you'll get your machine.
@@toyotatrd Creality has a great reputation and this will help them to communicate with their customer base. Needless to say we Kickstarter supporters are getting nothing but good news. I recommend you support it so you get it a bit cheaper and get a ton of benefits. :D
I backed this machine early on, and I'm glad I did. I've got the E3P but this has everything I've been hoping for IMO. Best review of the CR 6-SE I've seen so far. New subscriber! Thank you!
Great review. Sounds like your only gripe with the use of kickstarter, which I can agree with. Happy with that as I backed the project yesterday
Thanks for this review. I am going to wait until the CR6 is officially released before picking one up.
You'll end up eating the (approximately) $100 difference. Considering the track record of Creality and their quality products, this KS isn't really a risk versus unproven companies.
@@halifornia2001 Too bad I missed it, I would love one or the max version. Guess I'll have to wait a long time.
andy parry how much is it?
Thanks Joel!
Great review on this product and very helpful for someone looking in to making this printer his very first printer (like myself).
I did "pull the trigger" and back the printer, partly because of your feedback.
I share your excitement and partly your concerns as well.
I look forward to seeing you work with this machine, but also I look forward to using it myself. 😊
Take care!
High five! (From a safe distance)
Updates for us? How do you like it? Is all the rumors of the bad customer service / shipping true?
I bought a 6-SE at MicroCenter and honestly, i am so happy to have a solid and reliable printer where i can hit print and once the first couple layers start, i can do something else without worrying
One more thing i'd like to know when the printer pauses, either by clicking pause or by filament runout: does it dis-engage the stepper motors?
Every time i have paused a print on my ender 3, after i think something like 10 minutes, the motors dis-engage, which has allowed it to drop the gantry a little bit, enough to cause a collision when resuming the print, and if the part hasn't popped of due to the cold bed already, the nozzle smashing into it as travel speeds surely would
Also backed it with options. Great machine, no probs. Also got Prusa Mini. I prefer the Mini, but need a bigger build plate from time to time. Software design on the touchscreen is a bit clunky. These are my first two machines. I want to thank you and the rest of the RUclipsrs in the 3D printing community for your contribution to getting me down the learning curve.
I backed it for 1 last night. Thanks for your in depth content on this printer.
Well, I had been on the fence for as while but after watching this I've decided to back this project. Thanks Joel
love how informative and fun you make your videos Joel
I've backed it and looking forward to getting my machine! Great review, thanks!
This machine brings me so much joy. I don't have use of my thumbs and this machine just takes away a lot of the struggles i had with my other ones.
It does? I am seriously considering buying one... So please tell me more about your thoughts about it.
@@magnussamuelsson2630 Its a fantastic machine honestly. I've had it for around 6 weeks and can't fault it. I have no use of either of my thumbs and this machine takes away all the stress of gripping clips and things. It printed perfectly out of the box and still does now
@@nikkimoyle5220 How is that auto-leveling-thing doing? This is pretty much the reason why I am considering.
@@magnussamuelsson2630 its okay! not always the best and sometimes (rarely) i have to level twice but its still kicking! deff made a difference in my prints
Awesome video Joel!
You deserve more than 1 million Subscribers!!
I was waiting to see if the leveling-free technology will be tested in this review. Sad that it wasn't.
Its using a nozzle probe, nozzle impact beds, causes it to hit a FSR switch in the toolhead i believe, so its doing a mesh level like every other printer with a probe of some sort (inductive, bl touch etc.) Nothing super special
I've seen other reviews and it was tested. It works. There is no manual leveling, only live Z adjust.
He has another video on it i think
A year later, trying to get back into 3D printing, I bought this machine. So far, it's worked great with Creality filament, although it has been a real challenge to get prints to release. With my ancient previously opened filament, I've not been able to get it to stick prints. I've got two more ancient but never-removed-from-the packaging filaments to try. Wish me luck...
Thanks Joel! Great video as always... After all my hassles with printing PETG on my CR-10 Mini over the past week, this is very, very, veeeeeeeeee... *deep breath* ... eeeeeery tempting.
Thanks for giving us a first look! I tried to purchase the Ender 3-Pro from Ali 3 times with no luck. My money is on hold and said they can't ship from China to US. Was reluctant but ended up backing the Kickstarter for CR-6. It looks like they're shipping from HK. First time on KS and never owned a printer. I thoroughly enjoy all your videos. Thank you!
They got hundreds at microcenter here in my town i was shocked! They also have the auto bed leveling accessorie
As an owner of a Ender 3 Pro, which I bought with the glass bed as an extra option, this kinda feels like an Ender 3 with all the most popular upgrades from the community.. That said, I can't judge the hot end, sensors and electronics of course. On top of that, I can hardly imagine a Creality printer would disappoint. Informative video as usual, thanks Joel.
Great review Joel, your reviews are always thorough and entertaining!
My main worry is all of these high profile reviewers being sent the best printers, and the build quality varying heavily once production happens. As much as I love my CR-10, it's taken a lot of work to get it to a state where it's reliable, with plenty of aftermarket parts, and the build plate that came with it wasn't even usable due to warping. I'm hopeful that the production units will be as polished as the review units, but I'll have to wait until some of these are in the field before I decide to throw down the money.
they have send me BROKEN hardware that I had to fix. heck my cr6 SE stopping working live on stream (grubs came lose on the drive gear in the feeder) let me tell you it was no fun getting that spring back in.
Most of these established companies can't be bothered to try and "cherry pick" units for people.
@@nerys71 Aren't the review units made using rapid techniques such as 3D printed parts where final would be injection molded?
@@johndododoe1411 some were but mine came with all injection molded parts
I have backed this after your first opening of it and video upload. thank you!
Hey Joel, just a quick update in case you haven't been following. Kickstarter users are FURIOUS with Creality over this printer. Many of them are arriving broken, miswired, potentially bad enough to be fire hazards, faulty power switches which might be shorted out, and today they announced that they're starting to sell to resellers before even completing their kickstarter backers' orders. I received my printer yesterday without ANY of the add-ons I ordered (almost $200-$250 worth), and many others have had the same thing happen. Creality is deflecting and not answering questions directly at all. I think you should seriously consider posting a third update about everything going on, maybe reach out to Creality about it, because being such an enthusiastic/vocal person who supported the idea of this campaign, their recent shenanigans might reflect poorly on your channel which I really love and support.
I've commented on Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu's video as well.
Been waiting for this video. Kickstarting this and can't wait to get it.
Of course your words matter Joel. Very keen on this new printer. Creality is going far. I like the clips. Looks like a promising machine.
The trick to using the Creality glass build surface (on my Ender 3 Pro) for ABS is to coat it with ABS dissolved in acetone. It sticks very will. I turn off the fan and heat the bed to 100C, nozzle temp (+-)220C . I've used it quite a bit. I need an enclosure to print large ABS prints. I get layer separation at about 3/4" tall. I have two separate glass surfaces, one for PLA, cleaned with alcohol and the other for ABS with the coating above.
Great video, Joel. I’m tempted. Well done on 400k subs. ✋
Thanks!
Backed it, because of this video. Great features, good improvements over the Ender 3 that (I think) justifies the price difference. And with a 32-bit board (was a stretch goal that was met) it's just that much better.
Your channel is just so awesome. You should have more subscribers. Just love your content, how you take time to explain things.
I feel like Im stuck in a time warp when a 2020 product so new it is still in kickstarter is still coming out with microusb
I feel dirty from the fact I wish it was mini usb
Cheap, works, semi-durable, cheap & available cables.
actually thats a big "upgrade" for us :-) all past machines are MINI USB though I actually think mini is superior for this application (sturdier)
Would have loved USB C but there really is no point on something like this.
And what would you have wanted? USB-C? That's BARELY showing up in notebook PCs right now, and open source drivers are too damn new (source: Linux kernel dev as my day job).
The flexible filament is filaflex from recreus, a Spanish company. The website was on the spool. They also make some less flexible ones that are easier to print on a bowden setup
Lets just hope 3 million dollars is enough money for this “project”
I still don't understand why a established company like Creality is having to run a KickStarter for this printer.
Feels more like a pre-order. Not seeing the greed side?
It's not totally greed, it's risk avoidance. Crowdsource the tooling...or don't if no one wants it.
Ever spent $1.5m in cash up front hoping to sell your products? I didn't think so.
@@HowDareYouu EXACTLY!
@@scrapjack It's not a preorder because they're not legally obligated to provide your purchase, nor to the advertised specs.
Very interested in getting this only there are 2 things in the way:
1. debating on whether to buy a prusa mini or one of these
2. Not entirely interested in backing in it on kickstarter so I may have to wait.
In the same exact position, but I don't do kickstarters and the mini has 4 months lead time. So I'm going to wait after summer... I already have an ender 3 after all.
I ordered mine the first day. Shipping seems high, but does look like a great machine. I agree that the kickstarter is more like an advertising ploy, but seems to have worked.
Shipping on the site is listed k
in HK, about $20 USD.
thanks, mate. gave me a lot to think about. definitely keen if you follow through on what you hinted at right at the end of the video.
I know there’s tons of Ender and CR10 channels out there (hopefully they continue with the CR6 as well) but I’m excited to see Joel jump in more on this and maybe potentially make some getting started or tips and tricks in his style when the CR6 ships!
I’m helping Creality with firmware stuff for the Ender 3 v2, but there’s likely to be some overlap with this model, so be sure to keep us posted about any issues you see. The probe is particularly great. You get the very best results when the probe is the nozzle.
Joel, thank you!! I backed it too and I'm already accumulating STLs to print.
*Shameless plug*
I have one you might find useful one day: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4133753
I made this to combat the problem he mentioned of the filament not feeding into the PTFE tube properly. On my Ender 3 I have to take the tube of everytime I want to change filamnts, no idea why. Maybe you find this useful, anyway thanks for reading and have fun printing.
1:46 "The build dimensions are 235 on X, 235 on Y and 250 on Zee or Zed, though the build plate size is nearly the same as a Prusa Mk3 flex plate rotated ninety degrees."
Wait, what? My English parser must be broken. Isn't a 235 x 235mm bed rotated ninety degrees... still 235 x 235mm???
Rotated 90 degrees on the X or Y axis, not the Z.
I love the hug each other, but high five from a safe distance. Great video and can't wait to see some testing with different build plates to get those ABS prints to stick. Can't wait to get my CR-6 when ever it arrives.
My favorite moment. 17:50
"I'm sure we'll put the name on screen"
"Nope"
I picked one of these up used in a package deal with a Prusa Mk2. I'm pleasantly surprised it's actually a great little printer.
Looks like what I want as a second printer (have a CR10 now). But, I really don't want to fiddle with the whole Kickstarter silliness, just want to buy it. Great review!!!
There's a lot of boardgame companies, COMPANIES, that use Kickstarter as a "pre-order" system. Not just indie folks. So Kickstarter has evolved, or at least, companies are using it for things like this. Thank you for that look at the machine!!
I much prefer that kind of glass over flexible build plate because that gets scratched so easily. My glass plate still looks as good as new on my Ender 3.
I have the same plate from Creality on both of my Ender 5s and my Ender 5 Plus, works great
Yeah I have it on my Ender 3 and it works well, just releases as it cools.
I am actually considering it even though I just got my Ender 3 Pro a few months ago
Same here
Same here very happy with my Ender 3 Pro, great printer for the price. So I pre-ordered it I was going to wait, but I knew I would end up buying so it makes sense to get it while its cheaper. This 6E has features I wish the Pro had. Now I will have 2 printers, am I Official a farm now? LOL.
Great point about the morphing of KS! I've been active with KS campaigns from almost day 1, and have been burned by a couple. Presenting almost complete products gives backers a heckuva lot more confidence that they will actually see a product in the end, so I have no problem with KS as a "pre-order" system. In fact, I kind of prefer it.
$319 is honestly pretty fair. Considering the upgrades in specs that they did can be done on a $200 printer that doesnt have them. It would still cost close or more than $320 total, while also risking damaging the printer itself. I don't think the auto bed leveller is as good as the bltouch, but its still going to do its job.
I do not think using Kickstarter is too bad personally, I am not sure why it is such a big deal.
It is an easy way to provide early bird discounts at different tiers (which makes it worth getting over msrp) and there seems to be some reasonable stretch goals which is always nice to have.
I have backed a few things on Kickstarter like the Copperhead Hotend and Tilt Five, and they are basically doing the same thing.
This was a great overview compared to your unboxing, so much appreciated, even though I already backed it :D
My biggest concern with everything I have seen so far is the x carriage belt alignment.
18:32 you can see the huge angle of the belt. This is issue because not only does it cause x carriage torque at the extremities of x position, but it will actually change how much the x carriage moves (Pythagoras) resulting in less dimensional accuracy at those extremities.
Is it a big deal? probably not, either way my intention is to convert it to direct drive and I will definitely fix that in my design 😊
Re: ABS
I wonder if the open frame has anything to do with it? Otherwise yeah, PEI should do the trick, or maybe hairspray/ABS Gloop on bare glass. I have not tried ABS juice yet, it's on my bucket list. I'm assuming the filament was bone dry when you tried it.
Really been waiting for a 3D printer of this quality to buy for awhile now. But went to go back this, and can't believe the one credit card I have (Discover) will not work!! WTF am I to do!! Can't believe it!!
You have until June 5th, I hope you get it working.
Joel, very nicely done and a great selection of prints to show of. People who can exercise some patience (we live in a I-want-it-now society) will be rewarded with a very good printer (in its class) for a lower price.
to be fair .. creality did state in one of there live streams that the primary and main reason was to use it as a pre-order platform and to see how popular the machine would be
I got mine in the mail today! So excited
Great video, if you were to purchase your first 3D printer what would be your choice between Anycubic mega x or Creality CR-6?
i hear you on the flexible build plate but i have a (i think) similar bed on my cr10- v2 - i have come from a flashforge printer with a flexible build plate and while i loved that i found the usual problems of prints not sticking... with that i had to use a glue stick and a raft every time to get it to work. granted, as soon as the print was done i could remove the build plate, bend it and get the print off but...the build plate on the cr-10 which i think is the same one as this is fantastic, i use isopropyl to clean the bed and as long as i have levelled it propperly it sticks straight away and my first layer is beautiful. once the print is finished and the bed cools the print literally pops off so i dont need a flexible bed anyway. took me a while to get used to it but i love it now.
Aren't glass beds usually considered an upgrade? I know a flexible pad has it's advantages, but wouldn't a glass bed as standard be a good thing?
Yeah I'd take a glass bed over a flexible bed anyday.
Yup glasbed and 3D Lac is the best combination Ive ever used
the Creality Ender 3 pro glass is amazing. it has some kind of coating that just makes everything stick. I print PLA at 35C bed and PETG at 40C, havent had a print come loose in half a year. Im using a brim though, as its easy to remove and you can reduce temps even further. I have no idea why people print PLA at 60C bed, just not use a flat glass pane.
i will never go back to a solid bed from flexible again if I can help it. the convenience factor is just too huge. I also like doing heater off printing which you really can't do with glass (when your running 20 machines the electric bill can be quite substantial unless you can turn the heat bed off :-)
Currently saving up for either a Prusa Mini or a TriangleLabs Prusa MK3S Bear. Creality's outdone themselves (I like how they've refined the mechanical system), but I've been so spoiled by the spring steel sheet and inductive tramming sensor.
Great review, thanks! I do hope they leave the build plate on during paused prints, that needs to happen.
I actually wish (and I'm sure there will be a hack for it later) there was a way for an audible alarm to sound, as well. Even if they just have a normally-open connection get closed by the runout sensor so I can connect a buzzer or whatever..
I don't care too much about ABS not sticking, I've never printed with it, and between warping and fumes, I'm not really interested.
The flexi was a pretty amazing fail, but I wasn't expecting a bowden to print flexi super great anyway. I actually have only used direct drive on my Anet A6, so I'm not well-versed on the bowden style. (How do you continue a run-out on bowden, anyway? Does new filament just force the other through the tube reliably and contiguously?)
I think the kickstarter price is a good deal and it looks like it's going to be worth it.
it has to change gap ( reduce gap between nozzle and bed) because there is a retraction between nozzle and bed
Thanks Joel I did back it too. Reason: it seems as a neophyte to 3D printing this machine has a lot of new technology that when I have exhaustively studied all the 3D RUclipsr it incorporates a majority their wish lists
Given that the 6e is a Bowden system, the flexible worked pretty well.
And yeah, the Kickstarter thing is odd, but the printer looks to be highly polished.
Update, backers Get a first from Creality 32bit Board with tmc2209 drivers. Also they are giving 10 0.4 nozzles & 1 extra PTFE tube, Maybe add that to the end of the video.
A pre-order system....maybe...except that with kickstarter you don't have any warranty, you receive a prototype.... and kickstarter is not a store. no refund, no warraty if you are not plenty satisfied.
Anyway, a really good video as always, nice catapult !
Many are upset that this isn't really a "Kick Starter" in terms of needing R&D Funds, and more of a Pre-Order, but I'm OK with it. I know way too many people that have been burned by KickStarters that sounded amazing, should have been great, and then NOPE nothing...never got the product. I backed this, only because I liked the idea, and I have a Ender3 that I have literally put over 6,000 hours onto since getting it...kilo after kilo of filament through it, and it JUST FREAKING WORKS. Many have no luck with their Ender3...I've had my ups and downs, but lately? ALL GOOD like for the past 2.5 years all good...I don't even have a BLTouch or the like on it...I haven't touched the level in 4 or 5 months...but it just works. :)
I would still like to see a retail option for both models, at some point. It's also unfortunate the last stretch goal wasn't $4M; a Kickstarter-themed 3D printer would've turned some heads, like Prusa's own line.
I got this and it has no prefab on the following SD card. I love the design.
It's an amazing machine. if you are backing this on Kickstarter, you have the ability to give feedback on what you think about this machine, what Creality can add, or should change. And Joel, You are awesome
As always Joel an awesome video! You always have me hooked, and your nerdy jokes I just can't help laughing at :-) top job buddy and thank you for your insight. I've also backed this so lets see what turns up eh :-)
Yeah totally agree with you Joel. I don't get why Creality went the Kickstarter route. I've back a couple of failed Kickstarters, and they really have a reputation of maybe you'll get something, maybe you won't. Is Creality really hurting for R&D investment that badly?
This is a preference thing but I'd take a glass bed over a flexible bed anyday.
Same
Flexible is just that much more convenient for people doing a lot of smaller Objects that don’t require glass.
I've never used a flex bed but I can see where they would be nice in ways. That said though, my CR-10S came with it's glass and once leveled properly it prints amazingly on it and I don't use any glues or tapes to do so. Sticks quite well to the bed yet can be pried off easily enough as well after a minute of cooling.
I used the flexible that came with my ender 3 pro one time and replaced it with glass. Its stuck to my office mini fridge with no intention of ever using it again.
Backed and Ordered mine !! Thanks for the review of it :) I don’t mind it being pre order service to be honest
I thought the same. This is for them to get a feel of the demand for this model category. So it was a pre-order system and some cash infusion. But it will be hard from the pre order system to find out how many people are going to order the unit once it hits full production. They will need to dump the ender 3 pro. They need to have a cheap sub $200 printer (Ender 3) and then this unit in the mid $300 I would say $350. FYI I pre ordered , I have an Ender 3 Pro, and slowing building farm so this new unit is cheap.
What is your opinion cr-6se compared to the Ender 3 Pro? Price performance, print quality, upgrades, etc. How do you see it? Would the Creality cr-6 se be a better investment than an Ender 3 Pro?
I like your content. Keep it up👍🏻
Joel, so here is the question I'm left with after watching the review. You mentioned that you didn't have much success with ABS or TPU, and your PETG prints were only "okay". Do you think that these are issues that can be addressed through firmware updates, or is this going to end up being a PLA only-ish printer? Thanks for the review, and keep on with the great work.
For TPU, I suspect I need a better / drier TPU. For ABS, it was printing it fine, but it needs a better way to adhere to the bed. PETG was okay, but tuning a profile would make it better. I think there are going to be a large number of people that will use this as PLA only, though, I don't think that's it's only future.
I bought the Creality CR 6 SE and it's great! as I'm an old man and not so sharp this 3D-ing is not easy, although I do have the Ender 3 Pro too. shame so much distance from Spain to USA, I have so many questions and need lots of help
I think that if we can't print correctly Flexible, because Flexible has a lot of retraction. it has to have the possibility to change offset reduced the gap between the nozzle and the heating bed on autolevelling. It 's the same for PETG). Is there the possibility to choose gap between nozzle and heating bed for autolevelling?
in 2020 it was on kick starter but not in 2022. on amazon 569 Can . I am analysing if i will buy this model seems interresting to me. would be my first 3D printer. after looking at so many models,
why does Creality not add thos bars like on the cr 10 v 3 on all those models that place the filament roll on top? It would make the hole printer more rigid and stable no?
I have a heavily modified ender 3 and the prints from it are awesome. I am thinking about getting one of these to use it for a second printer.
I backed it weeks ago good to see reviews coming out. Glad i backed it hopefully they atleast hit the 3000000 million mark would love to have the upgrade. I currently have an Ender 3 Pro and love it but this has all the upgrade i wish i had but i also want a second printer. I was wondering that if you back the kickstater would we be getting the 32 bit board or is that still up in the air? I hope to see more reviews about what this thing can do it seems alot more capable than a stock Ender even with a few add-ons and the fact that the fan seems to be blowing right at the nozzle or a little lower is awesome and the light looks nice too. Wish they would have made it a white light but Im sure i can solder a white led on it instead of blue.
If you have to order anything from Creality in HK....Just a heads-up....Took me about 2 1/2 months to get the product I ordered from there. They kept saying it was due to Coronavirus, but I had ordered other things from China after I ordered from them and they only took 3-4 weeks
Great video, all my hugs from Dublin :)
Socially distant hugs right back
Well, its a year later and i have two of them. Yes there are those machines. I love the cr6
I saw that the firmware has been updated through November 2022. Have these updated helped with the Creality CR-6 SE or 3D prints?
Unfortunately I no longer have the Creality CR-6 SE in my stable of machines, so I cannot verify.
I know that flexi benchi may not be the prettiest, but damn default settings and old filament that's a hell of a good print from a Bowden!
To be fair its $29 more than a Prusa mini and is in many ways a superior machine with a much bigger build volume. soooooo Take that how you may :-)
Thanks for the review. I was lucky to get the Flash Sale.
You’re the best! Merry Christmas.
I canceled my kickstarter support for this printer. I was thinking of how the print outs no matter how hard you try are never perfect or reproducable. I saw a more expensive xy unit and the results were really great. At 369 or so dollars, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Chilling with an ender 3
Same
@@michaelplaczek9385 Same (the pro though), its amazing with Cura, best entry level 3d printer to this day, perfect to learn along with upgrades etc. as well.
Makes sense if you've already got one. I needed to replace my FDM, and this makes sense vs the Ender 3 (less hassle, better features), and the KS price point is decent.
I’m stuck deciding between backing this vs an Ender 3 pro for $200. Any thoughts?
@@AndrewCislak I run an ender 3 pro and with the right profile (Cura) you can get absolutely perfect prints with common materials. The only problem I ever ran into is the fact that you kinda need to replace the extruder feeding part with a metal kit (10-15$, its super easy to install) because the stock one might break. Id say that if you dont want to print fancy materials like PC, the ender 3 pro is a steal of a deal at 200$. If you have the money and know that you will stick with 3d printing, the CR6 might still be worth it. However, if you want the abality to have access to the largest community that has the same printer and the most mods, the ender 3 right now is the best in this regard. Modding support for the CR6 will likely be large too within a short while as the printers arent too different I think.
Over all, if the difference in price seems like its worth it to you (auto leveling is kinda cool to be honest, especially if you are a beginner) for the many quality and quality of life improvements, go for the CR6. If you are not sure you will stick to the hobby or your budget is a bit tighter, better get an ender 3 (with the metal extruder kit would be best, it really is super easy and cheap). The leftover 80$ is enough to pay for 2-3 rolls of filament or any further upgrades you might want down the line.
Final note: Please use Cura, nkt Creality Slicer. I conducted a small test and Creality Slicer is pretty good, but Cura has so so many more options and results in visibly better prints. Also, Cura has the former mod called Creawsome integrated into its Creality profiles. This mod is basically an almost perfect profile in every regard, its absolutely amazing.
Pardon the eventual typo, Im on mobile and english isnt my first language.
Interesting the bed looks a lot like the bed on the Cubicon single printers and they have no problem with ABS. I wonder what the print bed of the Cubicon single is made of..
I'm new (this year) to 3D printing. Could you do a video on the technology differences are between the Ender 6 and CR-6 SE? I love my Ender 5 pro, but I"m already drooling over the new features of the 6's... but they both seem to have cool technology the other doesn't. Like if I want the direct XY drive I can't get the auto bed level, etc. Love your show!
Got mine a couple days ago. Done around 15 prints (all pretty small) so far with the included filament. One failure and that was my fault. Set the bed temp wrong by accident.
Thanks great review. An idea when they will ship?
The flexible print was of a benchy that had spent some time at the bottom of a sea or an ocean...
@ 13:44 maybe with abs try gluing some fine sand paper to a flexible plate. With it being course it should hold, if not try course sand paper.
Please do a new review, or update this one regarding Creality's poor policies and management of their Kickstarter project. As you can see in comments, these products are not shipping, shipped late, shipped wrong, and when/if they do arrive many are broken, damaged or haven't been QC'ed before shipping. Creality needs to be held accountable for managing such poor products and process.