Firefight. Two ranks line VS Three ranks line. Empire: Total War.

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  • Опубликовано: 5 июл 2021
  • Basically, unit with lesser ranks is always superior in 1vs1 firefight.
    Unit delivers fire volume faster. Own casualties from musket or artillery fire are less due to formation's density. Soldiers standing in two-ranks line do not regroup (it is shown in the video). They do not waste time for this and fire where they stand till the end of the fight.
    However, it takes longer to maneuver and to form square. Also, frontline is longer and the enemy can concentrate more units against one thin line.
    Here, Russian infantry formed in two ranks faces three-ranks British line. Stats are vanilla.

Комментарии • 49

  • @red.s1k
    @red.s1k 3 года назад +82

    I didn't expect anything else, I always stretch my lines for maximum firepower

    • @gabinchorein-parisot3255
      @gabinchorein-parisot3255 3 года назад +6

      Idk if it’s the case for line infantry, but sometimes, light infantry in skirmish doesn’t have all soldiers shooting the target (especially when it’s on the far left or right of the range). I only use 1 line when my units have few men

    • @ryanlaird6447
      @ryanlaird6447 3 года назад +15

      Very susceptible to a cavalry charge though

    • @Raisonnance.
      @Raisonnance. 2 года назад +1

      Yeah I do that before I have the fire by rank tech

    • @gosling4391
      @gosling4391 2 года назад +1

      Only for 1v1's. If you have a large block of multiple units, you will find that you can have more men firing in a smaller space.

    • @shoddypeasant8762
      @shoddypeasant8762 Год назад

      all it'd take is one brave charge and you're a dead man

  • @itzmystic5808
    @itzmystic5808 3 года назад +47

    personally i proffer 3 lines because it feels like it preforms better against charges then a 2 line unit

    • @evelynfarfellwooosh1219
      @evelynfarfellwooosh1219 2 года назад

      Inefficient

    • @matthaeusdecuiavia8637
      @matthaeusdecuiavia8637 10 месяцев назад +1

      3 lines are maximum that can fire by rank, And I can agree with you. But the efficiency depends on playstyle. I do like cavalry, so I tend to use it instead for charging and countercharging, while infantry gives them support from distance. Two lines perform much better in that case.

    • @itzmystic5808
      @itzmystic5808 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@matthaeusdecuiavia8637 i understand that and do use more cavalry in empire now, but I usually play as Britain and utilise the strong charge of basic infantry and the exceptionally good charge of the grenadiers while they are supported by other infantry and artillery (order mixture from Napoleon) who focus on specific units to break a line. Pair this with cavalry guarding the wings but not engaging the line or the flanks, unless a unit is routing or exposed (Britain has worse specific cavalry units, e.g no lances and basic heavy and light cav, and are more a jack of all trades faction for cavalry)

  • @joakimberg7897
    @joakimberg7897 3 года назад +45

    Finally, some Good quality content

  • @henriquecarvalho880
    @henriquecarvalho880 2 года назад +5

    The military techs such as fire by rank are one of the thing I miss of empire, watch your soldiers firing in organized lines is pretty awesome and I missed that in TW Napoleon

    • @ronal8824
      @ronal8824 Год назад +2

      you can get fire by rank with darthmod for ntw

  • @Starvationru
    @Starvationru 2 года назад +4

    This is the reason why I have won every battle in this game. Those regiments of line infantry that turn out to be "superfluous" due to the length of the ranks - can be placed "at an angle" - first inward in order to catch enemy cavalry units - and then outward - thus enclosing the enemy regiments in a semicircle.

  • @mythicalrp5642
    @mythicalrp5642 2 года назад +2

    I kinda miss my lines firing like this because I modded my lines to have the "can skirmish" so that they will all fire, not quite a mass volley but it's close there

  • @diegopepe537
    @diegopepe537 3 года назад +10

    Because the rows are not as stretched out, does that affect performance somewhat, does it give the more stretched row the advantage, or is there no difference?

    • @Daniel-dk9zu
      @Daniel-dk9zu 3 года назад +16

      The more stretch out it is, the more soldiers in the front and since only troops in the front can shoot, more troop in the front = more shooting

    • @ViJoker1
      @ViJoker1 3 года назад +9

      Also less chance of a bullet hiting someone if the shot go past the first row

    • @khaak2390
      @khaak2390 3 года назад +11

      @@Daniel-dk9zu No, Lines in E:TW will emplyo fire by rank till the 3rd rank, so all ranks fire (so all 120 men are firing in both formations)
      This is simply a matter of Stray bullets hitting people in the 3rd row, which isn't possible in the one with 2 ranks

    • @zimtwiers9726
      @zimtwiers9726 2 года назад

      @@khaak2390 Wider formations are also just simpler to focus fire

  • @AttiliusRex
    @AttiliusRex 3 года назад +11

    what difficulty are you playing? sadly difficulty affect unit morale & accuracy

    • @marlborotheman1222
      @marlborotheman1222  3 года назад +14

      This one is on medium difficulty i guess. In campaign, on expert, some of the AI buffs you can compensate with better generals, army composition, proper techs researched earlier, etc, you know. But still two rank will be more effective than three.

    • @AttiliusRex
      @AttiliusRex 3 года назад +14

      @@marlborotheman1222 i did a lot of tactics testing back in the days and realized that in hardmode, your gyards will lose against militia in a 1v1 shootout
      I guess medium is without any modifiers

    • @ryanlaird6447
      @ryanlaird6447 3 года назад

      @@AttiliusRex what really that can't be right

    • @alla3732
      @alla3732 2 года назад

      Streltzy still beat AI in Hardmode no one can stop cheap unit spam and reinforment waves of a few thousands a turn for the same amount in ducats

    • @Raisonnance.
      @Raisonnance. 2 года назад

      @@AttiliusRex I'm currently playing in VH/VH with Germany and during an Austrian rebellion, (it was some hours ago at the moment I'm writing this message) there was a militia against my infantry line.
      The infantry line crushed them. Militia lose 40 soldiers and they are out lol.

  • @bemusedalligator
    @bemusedalligator 2 года назад +3

    can we check this with fire by rank on? Presumably 3 lines on FBR would be better than 2 due to a narrower front presenting a smaller target...

    • @AttiliusRex
      @AttiliusRex 2 года назад +1

      The nartower target shouldnt matter that much, however 3 ranks has 50% more local firepower and allows more of your soldiers to fire at the same unit

    • @smokedout500
      @smokedout500 2 года назад +2

      fire by rank was on in this video or did you not watch it?

  • @mateuszwisniewska1848
    @mateuszwisniewska1848 Год назад

    I mostly use 3 lines because then i can fit more men next to the enemy so instead of 160 fiering i get 320

  • @AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen
    @AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen 3 года назад +1

    👏🙂

  • @benpearson49
    @benpearson49 2 года назад +5

    Wish this game worked on my computer, the damned thing crashes every half hour or so.

    • @TheT3MK4
      @TheT3MK4 2 года назад

      like how it crashes? stuck on ottoman turn or?

    • @mythicalrp5642
      @mythicalrp5642 2 года назад

      Bro I was playing this on my backup pc with core 2 duo and gt 730 with 2gb of ddr2 ram when my gaming pc broke down and it was surprisingly running quite well on everything low but ultra textures since it just utilizes the vram and doesn't impact the performance that much

    • @Raisonnance.
      @Raisonnance. 2 года назад

      My own computer doesn't even want to download it -_-

  • @kducpham
    @kducpham 10 месяцев назад

    What mod is it? Where can I get it?

  • @nicklarocco4178
    @nicklarocco4178 3 года назад +5

    I say, Not very sporting of you, old chap.

  • @blackfish9728
    @blackfish9728 3 года назад

    It worked did it 👍 @Marlboro Theman

    • @marlborotheman1222
      @marlborotheman1222  3 года назад

      It will work until you met another player who will place two ranks as well;)

    • @blackfish9728
      @blackfish9728 3 года назад

      @@marlborotheman1222 in that case you gotta add more tricks such as yours, and then hope they overlook it by making distraction in another area or something

  • @samthecrazywowgamer9558
    @samthecrazywowgamer9558 2 года назад +6

    The russian line infantry has a lower accuracy though

    • @rasmuslundsnnichsen4984
      @rasmuslundsnnichsen4984 2 года назад +3

      Just underlines the point even more

    • @samthecrazywowgamer9558
      @samthecrazywowgamer9558 2 года назад

      @@rasmuslundsnnichsen4984 Would prove the tactic more effective if the equal units were presented

    • @rasmuslundsnnichsen4984
      @rasmuslundsnnichsen4984 2 года назад +7

      @@samthecrazywowgamer9558 not really - if you have a unit that has worse stats in the focus area of this test, and it still performs better than the other, that is as good a proof that the method used by the bad unit is better, as any other you can find

  • @koreancowboy42
    @koreancowboy42 Год назад

    Ehh played darthmod it doesn't matter how stretched your line is or isn't. It's all about your army comp and tactics

    • @McNab1986
      @McNab1986 Год назад

      I play darthmod and a stretched out line still outperforms a tradition one, because they still attack you in compact formations, so you can always wrap your flanks around the center and kill zone them