Cheap Retrofit Upgrade | Recessed Can to LED Flush Light | BR30
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We decided to update our old can/recessed lights in our house. Considering that if you want to replace the old BR-30 bulbs with LED's it was going to cost around $2 per bulb, this upgrade wasn't that much more expensive. The new flush mounted, air-tight, lights were only a couple bucks more. The install process was pretty easy, only taking a few minutes per light.
Just remove the old bulb, remove the springs holding on the collar, screw in the new light, then push up into place. The hardest part was getting the new light to stay flush to the ceiling.
But the overall look is much better then the old lights.
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This video is the only one I found that actually shows how to take the trim and center piece down. Thank you so much!
One of the best DIY videos I've seen on the internet. Great presentation. This has come in handy as my son is buying his first home and they are all older and many have had recessed lights installed years ago and are in need of upgrading. Dad will now swoop in and look like a genius. Again thanks.
Thanks for this video. I installed several, but the ones I used didn’t explain where the spring arms were supposed to go, so I just pushed up inside the can. Inserting the arms in the four slots made a much better fit.
Thanks for the tip. Fought very dim can lights for 30 years. Bought 2 of them at Menards. Great product, easy to install.
Omg so it’s just changing a lightbulb. I swear I learn so much on RUclips. Thanks for this video!!!
I love that he used a kitchen chair instead of a ladder. That is true DIY strategy when you think its all gonna' go smoothly....
Amazing Video and instructions. Dave, you have inspired me to replace 10 lights in my house. You are a great communicator. Please post more videos of your projects.
Thanks Dave! Very helpful! I appreciate you posting this
Thank you so much for this video. I am glad you did not get the ladder nor turn off the power. I am about to do exactly what you did and like you, I know enough to realize what is absolutely necessary. My son sees that ladder mover he will say momma why didn't you call me if you needed something done. If I use the chair, he will be none the wiser! I will not be fibbing at all when I say I just changed a lightbulb, baby! Apparently, when they are grown, they become our parents and talk to us like we are their children. He is a pretty fantastic parent to his momma, so I guess he had a good teacher. Thank you for the video. I noticed the new light seems a lot brighter than the one on the right. I do not know if those bulbs decreass their brightness as they age, but there was a huge difference. I think your DIY solved the problem and looks fantastic. I already have the recessed lighting, but I am switching mine out with smart lights. That way, Alexa can do the walking to the switch.
Indeed. Looks much better. I am in Arizona, and this will be a big bonus for keeping hot air from being sucked in when the whole house HVAC kicks on.
I replaced all of our recessed cam lights with these about 3 years ago. Before I was always replacing the bulbs, but have not had a single one fail since. Great investment.
Why did not just replace with LED bulbs? Much easier than replacing can
Sweet, this is an awesome option! You covered everything nicely!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
👍🏼 Great job, thanks ! Greetings from New York City 🗽
This vid "not OSHA Approved" 😊 Well done! Short and to the key points. Tks, especially for pointing out there are 2 sets of attachment points for the spring clips - to fit either 5 or 6 inch housing. At first I thought i'd have to return these. Much appreciated! 👍👍
Thanks for this, just ordered, another one similiar that give Daylight light, instead of the softlight. Thanks again.
Hi Dave. I watched your video. I appreciate you uploading. thanks
Use a sharpened pencil to remove the retention springs; insert pencil into the loop on the spring and slowly push up to disengage the hook at the top.
Great and thanks! I have same concern for my family room and kitchen room , there are total 12 recess light. Will consider to exchange all of them.
Thanks.... Just what we need at our house...
Nice video, thanks for making it. Unfortunately, like so many things in 2021, the prices have increased...as of this date they're more like $10 each. Still that's a bargain considering the advantages.
Oh hell I like the airtight idea. I had put dimmable GE LED 65W equivalent bulbs in my cans a couple years ago and love em, but the fixtures still are certainly not airtight....
Thank you for posting this helpful video
Good stuff man! Thank you
Cool! didn't know about this product and good point about the cost of bulbs Vs the cost of these. Thanks!
Very handy and useful video. May the youtube gods rain over you with cash !
thanks for the video. Feit lights are now $21 for 2 from amazon.
Yep, I changed all of our outside lights with these. Mostly because the wasps love to build nests above the old bulb.
Great video, thank you.
Recessed lighting is way cooler though. You need to get the deep recessed led retrofit
Been looking for something like this for ages to stop draughts from existing lights.
Hopefully can get them in the U.K. or similar.
There is also something called the color rendering index (CRI), the higher the number (out of 100) the more complete the spectrum of light emitted by the LED and the more accurate (when compared with natural daylight) the colours of objects viewed under these lights will be. This a completely separate issue to color temperature or color appearance.
In a domestic installation I would be looking for a color temperature of 3000K warm white and a CRI of 90+
These 'glare bombs' in the video have no glare control and are visually uncomfortable especially in low ceiling height applications. Also be aware that if there is not enough void space above these lights for air to move and they are on for long hours, the operating temperature of the LED driver will exceed the recommended maximum and the light will not last a fraction of the claimed life time.
I am going to try this!
Would have been nice to see how you clipped in the new light!!,
yep much better. Can you get those in soft white?
Good helpful video thanks
A recessed light is recessed for a reason. It has anti-glare effect which means the light doesn’t hit your eyes unless you are standing directly under the lamp.
It’s an upgrade backward.
Not at all! LEDs are unidirectional, thus have less glare. After installing in our bathrooms, we decided to replace the other 24 in our home for an updated clean look. Well worth it!
looks worse
Awesome job thank you so much
Thank you for sharing.
Game changer!!!
Right on dude!!! Not bad
Mine clips and not springs in the illuminator. But the new light did a great job anyways.
Thanks for video!!!!!
I like the look of the can lights better, more character
If you are going to change out the fixture make sure to understand the color of the new bulb. Many make the mistake of mixing brightness (lumens) for color (2700k to 5000k). I most often use 4000k and secondly 3500k. 2700k, called soft white, but is very yellow and makes the room look dingy. 5000k is the bright milky white security light looking color. A lot of the LED lights now include a switch so you can change the color on the unit.
Wish we had known several years ago before making numerous Home Depot trips. Like how hard could picking out bulbs be I thought. 🤣 Next to the color issue was getting the lumens we wanted. Now that our house has matching color and lumens outside and inside, I'm sure they'll come up with something new just to mess with us.
Led lights are very bad for human cell reproduction..these lights are bad for us.
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Very nice. Functional and looks good.
Good video. I am going to check to see if mine are similar
Nice video but I'm guessing that this change did little to change the draftiness in the winter near the exterior wall in the kitchen. The wall is almost all window so cold window surfaces are inducing downward convective currents.
The old leaky can lights being replaced only helped with the stack effect drafts which were likely minimal since it is likely that you are living in a ranch-style single level house without habitable floors above.
I changed two LED bulbs out at home. The most notable difference was the increased amount of light since the bulb was no longer recessed 2” into the housing.
Be sure to buy inserts that allow you to choose the light (i.e., soft white, bright white, daylight etc.). So far, I haven’t found any that allow you to change the light from outside the fixture. The switch is on the back part so you’d have to pull the light down to change it.
If you have to add dimmer switches, some are about $25 each depending on where you shop. Definitely needed in some places (e.g., near a TV) as the light is much brighter. Great for finished basements or a room that doesn’t get a lot of sun.
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Awesome Share. Thank you
great video...
All the comments about “they look a lot better” are subjective of course! GLARE is the topic that is not mentioned here. The reason for the deep recess of the old incandescent cans was to reduce glare and to direct the light pattern in a more downward direction. The black color of the inner “stepped baffle” trim cone was all about reducing glare and eye strain. Black was the go-to for that but white and other colors came into fashion as well. 20 years ago I always preferred white step-baffle trim cones as they looked better IMHO when the lights were not actually on. Don’t get me wrong….LED is a wonderful advancement in our lighting world! Fabulous in fact. But recessing the light source a bit is also quite appropriate in many cases. For now though, LED’s are so “new” that the nuances of recessing the light source and being concerned about glare aren’t what consumers want to hear. And I get that. But in a few years this will be an improvement to what is out there in our choices for replacing our old technology.
Yep. This was a downgrade. Under most circumstances in lighting design, you want to minimize or eliminate any direct line-of-sight from the viewer to the actual light source. A relatively narrow and deep trim is a good way to achieve this. Plenty of options available from Halo, Nora, Juno, etc. These are rated for insulator contact and are air-tight. Especially note the ones that use replaceable MR16 or PAR20 LED bulbs rather than the disposable models with integrated LEDs. This also gives you choice in selecting the bulb. LTF SunLight2's have excellent specs (CFI: Ra=98 and R9=96). In addition to stepped baffles, there are specular aluminum reflectors with a variety of surface treatments. Performance never goes out of style.
Hello, in the United States do you use lamps with a gu10 socket? Could you explain what is appropriate? What spotlights would you use to illuminate the interior of a hotel in the USA?
Thank you
Very helpful! Thanks
This was a great video!! Thank you for the tip! Thought I'd ask, although I'm looking myself of course (to no avail): Have you come across black versions of this (or similar) product? I'd like to replace my cans in this way, but want to do with black housing.
No, just the white ones we got at Costco.
Thanks, this is great! Do recessed lights come in a standard size? I need to replace the one in my shower with one meant for wet places, and was wondering how to check what size I need.
I think typical recessed can lights come in all different sizes: 2", 4", 5", 6". But i'm just guessing based on what i've seen.
Your awesome
Great video, thanks! Do you know if these LED lights will work with a dimmer switch?
Yes they are dimmable
Thanks
Step #1 Get a ladder #2 Turn off light so it isn't in your eyes and isn't hot. I put in 18 Only 15 watts vs 65. My old trim rings were discolored. Problem solved. I pulled old trim ring down, cut springs and installed new lights. Much brighter, but you can use a dimmer.
I bought mine at Ollie's price was 3 for $9. HD has exact same thing; 3 for $26. Stll cost effective.
i have the same issue dave feel a draft underneath
Mucho bueno!!!
For aesthetic differences see new & old installed, off… 4:35 & on… 4:40. In small rooms where you’re not likely to see fixture(s) win-win, but in larger spaces, fixtures are much more noticeable when ‘on’ (glaring). So LED bulb (in old fixture) maybe visually preferable. Also beware dimmable LEDs don’t work on some (most?) old dimmer switches - mine didn’t.
Ya for most cases, i wouldn't suggest someone go out of their way to install them.
One big advantage for us was reducing air gaps. The old lights let in a lot of cold air in the winter at the light by the sink, then the lights that were upstairs leading to our attic.
But a few people have commented that they like the look of the old lights better.
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@@DaveWirth (oops, & apparently can’t delete)… Not always easy but if can/housing can be removed, better insulation around housing could help with cold. Have same LEDs and unlike others, no foam between metal rim and ceiling so cold housing = cold rim = heat-loss, tho guessing relatively minor.
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Ya i thought about insulating around the can lights in the attic but it was a lot of work and material cost.
Here's doing the blown in insulation by hand up there: ruclips.net/video/rlfJLcCJEdA/видео.html
@@DaveWirth both edit & delete access same and neither has worked (for me) for a long time. Meanwhile, nicely done vids can only imagine the challenge of doing while filming… kudos esp. on clear closeup shots!
I have two on same circuit , both dimming. Could something be wrong with circuit?
I can understand people like the look of them but personally its easier to install, replace if one dies and is cheaper to just buy LED light bulbs. If you want it to look better you should be using flood style bulbs that are larger in size in the can lighting vs the normal E12 type. Just imagine in say 1-5yrs one or two going out and having to try and find something that will match the rest. Not just the style but there will also be fading and it will look off. That means replacing all 4-6+ in one room and more if you wanted them to match in all the rooms vs just using any off the shelf bulb that you wont be able to see the difference from.
And today (1/19/2022) the price has jumped to almost $24.00 for a set of these. WOW.
What can I do with the old ones after 20 years?
Do they make these for showers?
Ok .. any ideas of installation if you have no clips to attach the new light ?
Double-stick tape, 4 little 1" squares should work. Or use silicone caulk and hold in place to dry with masking or duct tape.
So did this help with the drafts, and is it actually flushed against the ceiling. It looked like a lot of give. I don't want to change them and then come home one day to have them hanging by the hinges. Thank you
Yes i think it helped with drafts, not 100% sure.
Yes it's flush with the ceiling.....but the little springs aren't great.
You could use a couple little dabs of glue when you push them in place to make sure they don't sag down a little
Thank you for this helpful video have a question about the way the light appears? I have an aversion to the brightness of some LEDs -does it give a cold-cooler look in the room-I love the way old lights project warmth…. Thanks again for this well explained video
Look for a 3000K color (lower number is warmer color)
Question, is it possible to shove insulation in the cavity of the can & then put the new recessed light in?
Possibly.
I think the fact that the new lights are LED's and don't get hot, you might be ok.
But the old can lights are something like IC and non-IC rated. Meaning you can or cannot insulate them.
But i'm not 100% sure.
I have 20 year old recessed pot lights. they are almond ring and look dated. I updated to led bulbs years ago but the almond color looks ugly. Im going to get these in a smaller 4 inch size in white. Looks simple enough ( although whenever I tackle something simple it turns to shit)
Wow. Talk about inflation! Was $8 in Feb 2021, now Feb 2022 they are $22
Yeah I've been looking, the cheapest I see is $9 each...
Dave did you just let the torsion springs expand inside the can? I have the same older springs that you showed on my old lights with no available slot for the torsion springs. Thanks.
Ya the 'Y' shaped springs on the new lights are not great. I kind-of had to get one of the wire springs in one of the slots in the cans, then hope the other end had enough tension to hold the light tight to the ceiling. Sometimes it took several tries to get it to stay tight.
One commenter suggested using double stick tape to make sure it stays up.
@@DaveWirth , thanks. That's pretty much what I'm looking at. I bought a dozen led replacements on Amazon and am considering sending them back but might do just like you said.
@@DaveWirth Dave, the Y shaped torsion springs do not go into the vertical slots in the can. You squeeze them together and they go in between the metal tab hooks that stick out from the can walls into interior. Sometimes you have to bend these hooks down, but yours are down and visible at 3:24 If you do that, the light stays nice and snug up into the fixture and doesn't rattle around like yours did.
@@sintillate1913 Ya i knew i probably wasn't doing it correctly. I'll have to look into that next time i do it.
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Link shows these as $24.79 for the 2 pack, not the 7.99 in the video. Maybe they are still cheap at Costco (none near me), but otherwise BR30 LED bulb is much less.
HOW. WIDE. IS. THE. NEW. RING. ??
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The are the same size as the old recessed light rings. Maybe 7" diameter? Not sure
I don't have a screw on bulb in my housing. 4" recess light with a 120v 35w Two prongs.
Can I cut the wiring and not use E26 socket?
I don't see why not
Looks like price went up.
someone told me that the old recess light has a transformer and need to remove it before connecting a LED. is that correct?
Maybe up in the ceiling, but i didn't touch that. I just removed the bulb and screwed in the new light.
Can I send you a picture of my existing recessed lighting? I imagine that my new LED will need to be larger or the same size? Please advise.
Just buy the same size. Otherwise you might as well just buy the LED BR-30 bulbs. If the new flush-mount lights are not the same size as your existing recessed light opening, then it won't really work.
When the LED burns out, do you replace the entire unit or is the LED bulb replacable?
Ya it's a sealed unit, no real bulb to replace. So you have to replace the entire thing. But when i bought them they were $4 each, so basically the same price as a BR-30 LED bulb.
Old-style incandescent bulbs last for about 1,200 hours of use. CFL (fluorescent) bulbs last for about 8,000 hours but an LED bulb or light will last for around 25,000 hours. I'll let you figure out how often you'll be waiting for one of these fixtures to burn out.
When the bulb burns out, does the entire unit have to be replaced?
Yes.
Although LED's are suppose to last a long time.
But Matthias did show how you can repair a bulb that stopped working and people think burned out: ruclips.net/video/sUdPuk1ud9w/видео.html
How long before you have to replace the new lights?
I don't know.
LED's usually have a pretty long life.
It's been a year and i haven't had to replace one yet.
Can these lights be used in most environment, bathroom ceiling?
Yes, i would assume so
What if the led light goes out? Do you have to replace the entire unit??
yes
Less than a year later and they're not $4 anymore they're 24. I guess they got really popular
What was it that was new light was screwed into?
The new fixture is basically the new "light bulb", screwing into old light bulb socket and covering the hole altogether.
How do you change the bulb in those lights
I don't think you can. Don't remember exactly but I think it was a sealed unit.
I like these but, I don’t have screw in bulbs.
You could just cut and strip the wires, then connect to the positive and neutral wires.
Do you know how to remove it once installed?
I think you just pull it down and unscrew it. The springs don't really lock anything in place, just lightly hold it up there.
2024 ... 17 bucks each now!
like most led's they will start blinking after a few months then go out. the lamps that we are told will last years can't make it a year
I hope not. We have around 14 in the house for almost a year, so far they've been fine. But i did buy 2 extra's in case i have to replace them.
They're now $10 each (September 2022)
Do they work with a dimmer?
yes
how do you get it out if you need to change them?
Luckily i haven't had to replace any of them yet. But i think you pull the whole thing out, like they were installed. There's no bulb to change, it's the entire unit.
@@DaveWirth Gotcha. Thanks. It's the little spring loaded arms that make me think it's a pain. If they spring into place, how to you "unsprung" them when the whole thing is flush? I'll give it a try.
But can you change to different colors?
No. I think they can be changed from soft white to bright white though.