Canon C300 III - Hands On
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2024
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Looks like Canon's 'Cripple Hammer' has self isolated and has socially distanced itself from both the C300 Mkiii and the R5.
It might be gone forever :D let's hope so
@@MohamedKeita it will remain a hope. Canon cripple hammer will definetely come back soon or later lol.
I think you spoke too soon lolol!!
@@justinashlye I did 🤣
@Sage Tate Umm, no thanks.
Thanks so much Carl for taking the time to showcase this new Canon cinema camera. Looks like a real winner on the part of Canon. Again, many thanks. 😊👍
No problem, thanks for watching
Carl
The way you present it just awesome!
This is an awesome piece of tech. The DGO makes this stand out of the crowd, very good job and awesome product for filmmakers.
Oh, the colors♥
To be honest... I did not expected such a great and detailed review this early
Carl: Due to self isolation and lockdown, I cant leave the house to shoot test footage, so here are some relaxing 4k cat videos.
Us: Yayyy!
Great and informative showcase as always Carl!
I agree that the 1080, 4:4:4, 12 bit option should be included despite raw capability. Fingers crossed a firmware update fixes that down the line! 🤞🤞🤞
C300iii vs FX9 will be a great test in the future, looking forward to that at the end of lockdown. ;)
Agreed. That would be a very interesting side by side comparison. Carl
@@ProAVTV Everything the Canon C300III is able to do internally Sony FX9 will be able to do externally but better. So Canon will forever be the run and gun champion of the world! Comparison done. You're welcome!
@@capitalgeorge "will be able to do". But it still doesn't
@@capitalgeorge Something about that auto ND though which is such a shame it's not in the ergonomics of the Canon. Both excellent cameras but yeah, I think most people would go for the Canon just on size alone, because that ND loses some of it's appeal having to get a bigger gimbal just to make use of it.
DGO is basically like having a safety track with audio. Very cool.
Nice hands-on as always!!
Thanks very much!
Carl
Great overview! This is definitely next on my list. Now...If B&H Photo would just get them in stock, haha. Keep up the great work!
I was going to make that move from Canon to Sony - was contemplating an FX9 plus an A7riii for my new kit. Now with this, and the announcements of the specs of the new Mirrorless EOS R mkii - I'm thinking I should stick with Canon....
Great overview Carl. Thanks. Looks like a good improvement on the Mk2 which in 4k never looked that sharp. Still not convinced about the audio controls though, if you're in full handheld mode using the hand grip you can't use them. Now if they did a package with the EVF and ditched the monitor that would be interesting for us non AF users
8:50 double datarates for 60p might be the most exciting part of the announcement, hope this becomes industry standard
Agreed! It’s a small detail but means a lot. We use 4K 50p a lot. Carl
What interests me is how Canon circumvented the Arri dual-gain patents. I was under the impression only they could make such a sensor...
In C300mk3 it seems they have introduced something similar to the dual gain architecture of Arri Alexa Alev sensor,
I'm curious to see how it works because I know there are some important patents in Arri cameras tecnologies that can't be violated.
I can't afford it, but now I can afford the C200, so I love it
Canon never disappoints.
thanks for clarifying the DGO!
Great info film thanks a lot
You were the only presenter who managed to successfully explain DGO without making it all confusing. Great job, and that is one hell of a camera. Welcome back, Canon.
lock down is extreme if you cant even go out and get some fresh air and sun in a park for example....better times will come.........thanks for the great video....I enjoy your channel
Canon is coming out swinging!
Looks like Canon has a winner. Wish it had the weather sealing capabilities of the C300. Keen to see what they have in stock for the replacement of the C200 :)
I agree. This camera has a lot going for it. I'm more interested in a replacement c100 to complete the line up.
Carl
Of Two Lands I was thinking that same thing. When you are in harsh conditions, the c300 Mark iii and c500 Mark ii will be unusable without a rain cover which is less than ideal. I guess that’s what they made the 1dx iii for though..
@@ProAVTV Yeah for sure me too. Especially with the announcement of the R5 they might bring one camera only to bridge the gap. RF mount, 4K 60, DPAF, 10bit. Simple but great for one man band and docos.
Finally Canon has a camera to steal the crown from the ubiquitous Sony FS7!
One thing I've been considering is the crop-sensor. I understand why they chose to incorporate the super 35, but I can't help feel as though I'd be missing something. Still, I don't know if that alone would justify leveling up to the C500...
I appreciate that this still turned out to be another cat video on RUclips ;-)
Not much else to film in my tiny back garden! She was a great model in the end though.
Carl
Hans Packer some things never change!
No time-lapse mode. Wish they would put that feature back in. The C300, C300 II and the C200 all have it.
As a Canon C500 Mark II owner, I feel like I missed out on the 4k 120p. Don't get me wrong, 5.9k and Full Frame is totally worth it but would have been nice to have that option. I'm just going to have to pickup the R5 for those specialty shots and maybe even keep it as a dedicated gimbal camera. Now what to do with my C200...
Canon has upgraded or introduced every possible camera in the Cinema EOS line, except for two: the 1DC (which they killed because of low demand) and the C100, which has been neglected for 6 years and to my knowledge hasn't been killed yet. We've gotten the C200, C300 MK3, C500 MK2 and C700. The C100 is an amazing camera that deserves a MK3. If ever there was a time to upgrade the C100 it would be now. It's long overdue IMO.
exactly what I was thinking. We need a C100 mk3
I just brought one of them today :)!
I will you it more then my RED
Very interesting camera! For our needs, this pretty much ticks all the boxes. We're currently shooting with the EVA1, but interested in the Canon cinema lineup. The C200 didn't do it for us, but the C300 mkiii just might!
I think a lot of people will be in the same situation. If you want to preorder one at any point just let us know.
Carl
I truly appreciate your effort in providing us with those reviews even in these difficult times. I must admit that it is a very very interesting camera for broadcast (as it was the original C300). Does Canon have any sort of shoulder mount accessory? And, is there any way to put a professional wireless mic receiver in between the back and the V-lock battery without the need of cables?
Our pleasure. The thanks should go to Canon for managing to get us one in these times!
No you would want a baseplate and rig for shouldermounted work.
No, theres no broadcast audio drop in slot like on Sony's XDCA for example. That would be a great module for them to add.
Carl
Good stuff thanks
It's weirdly perfect for what I do, how are the pre amps? I self shoot most of the time when using a camera and the other option I had was to attach a Mix Pre 3 somewhere on the camera and use that for the audio. The mark ii was pretty good for audio but is it the same pre amps again or have they made improvements there too?
Let us all have a moment of silence for the early C500MKII buyers.
Why? If you need FF/6k and slo-mo wasn't a big deal, you're good
and an even longer moment of silence for the C300MKIII buyers #EOSR5
@@petero1068 Oh...please. Do actually work in production?
@@petero1068 The R5 is not a viable camera for high-end production, regardless of its 8K resolution.
Would much rather have the form factor of an actual video camera on set than a franken-rigged mirrorless camera.
Zach Hunter then I take it you’re not a Red Fan boy. 😀
A very interesting camera. The Intra frame mode of XF-AVC is a real plus for an efficient video editing workflow.
Can you still use external monitors like a SmallHD?
Thanks for the review Carl.
Greetings from Lisbon
Yes external monitors will work great with it.
Thanks for watching
Carl
damn, this means so many good things. the c300 II will probably drop in price so more people can afford a great camera. it also means canon still loves their old series so maybe we might see a c100 III? something like no RAW but beefy codecs with 4k? i can't wait :)
man im sticking to my canon xl1s...it still works great
The "Chainsaw"
What do you guys film your episodes with. Production quality A1!
Normally the Canon C300 II, this one though was actually the Sony FX9
Carl
Would love to now see a C100 MK3 for around £3,000 that can do 4K 30 10 bit with dual pixel autofocus. Would be a great entry level
Looks like a great camera to upgrade from my C200 but does it have interval recording mode?
Hey Carl !
Does the c300m3 have anamorphic recording/monitoring modes ?
Thanks
Can the Canon EVF-V50 be used for this camera? So that I can still use my touch screen with all controls but still have an evf is to view in bright daylight situations? Or does it need to use the video port as well?
Yes you can use the EVF-V50. Thats a back module so doesn't need a video port.
Carl
EXACTLY what I've been waiting for. Too bad it's hitting during a pandemic so I feel less comfortable dropping the coin on one this second. Otherwise this would be an immediate pre-order.
It is a shame, but this will all hopefully be over at some point soon. Then we can all go back to work as ususal. This camera will be around for a good few years.
Carl
Can the C300 III output 4k60 4:2:2 over HDMI? My external capture devices use HDMI and that's crucial to my workflow
So you can't run the view finder and LCD at the same time?
What's the raw light bit depth while shooting at 4k 60fps and 120fps? all 12bit? or drop to 10bit like c200?
Can you tell me the data rates for the different codecs when shooting 50i?
Does it record audio at 4K 120p?
All my vids are c100MKII ... Cant wait to check this baby out!
C100 mkII is a fantastic camera, if due an update now. This will be a huge step up!
Carl
Yeah me too, I've been waiting for this camera for ages. Finally, time to hit the button and upgrade.
@@ProAVTV Totally agree!
I don’t blame you. When your ready to preorder here’s the link : www.proav.co.uk/canon-eos-c300-mark-iii
Can you please create a video comparing C500Mark2 and C300Mark3, That will be super amazing! Thanks
I certainly will at some point once they are more readily available. Carl
@@ProAVTV thank you
There are things that other cameras can't match with Alexa like the ability to limit saturation from exceeding a limit when exposure/gain is increased and the beautiful highlight roll-off. It is in the highlight roll-of the DGO helps for Alexa, not only in increasing the dynamic range.
Well that’s what Canon are aiming to achieve with this technology. They talk a lot about saturation levels in highlights in the info they sent over before release. Will be interesting to see people’s tests Carl
www, great cam. Do You have any idea about the price?
Can you get the gold mount pack with this?
Does the Canon C300 mark iii allow user loadable luts? Also , can you send video out to larger, external monitor , whilst also using the supplied touch screen monitor ( I’m assuming it’s touch screen now)? Thank you for making this video during this difficult time!
Yes it does, and yes it does, and yes it is a touchscreen. No problem, thanks for watching! Carl
Bit disappointed that I just forked out £17000 at ProAV on a C500MKII that seem to be outperformed just after few weeks in terms of slow motion!!!! It seems to me that the C500MKII just has the full frame sensor but everything else the C300MKIII has and even better...
The C300 III does have better slow motion. But the C500 II is still very much the flagship. A better, larger sensor and better low light seems to be the two big things. But we need to get them side by side before knowing all the differences.
Carl
It's an interesting take and comment in regards to C500ii vs C300iii🧐
I already sent an email to Canon Canada asking about trading my (highly likely to be unused) C500MKII for a C300MKIII... 2020 is really a year to forget.
I love seeing people complain about gear purchase decisions.
@@MichaelRichards983 loool great time to be alive
Is c300mk3 better than 1dx mark 3 for music videos
I’d call the C300mk3 essential
Can I upgrade my BMPCC6K to C300 mkiii?
5:17 LMAO....5 mins into the video I thought I was watching a review on the C500 Mark II and then couldn't figure out why he said the sensor was super 35 and then I realized "holy shit this is a new camera". I didn't realize Canon announced the C300 update until now.
how about rolling shutter?
Thanks for the rundown and sample footage. Didn't look fully credible though with a UK garden just about bathing in clear sunlight :)
The sun only comes out over here when there's a lockdown in place.
I got lucky!
Carl
sony sensor may still have advantage about low light performance BUT c300mark3's dynamic range should be spectacular!
Canon beats the brakes of the Sony in skin tones. If you shoot people for a living, there's no comparison
@queefreak. I concur 100%.
What does the PQ setting do?
Do you still retain autofocus abilities with the locking EF mount?
Yes you do.
Carl
It is so sad these days... I saved up some money for investing in new gear, maybe this one (but to be honest, the new version of the FS5). And now i have to buy food, pay rent, insurance etc. with that money... I hope i will survive :-( ... But thanks for your effort! It feels good, simulating some kind of normality.
Lots of people will be using up their emergency savings right now. But work will flow again at some point. Carl
Yep same here, was getting loads of freelance work and was planning on investing in new gear, now due to all of this I haven’t got the work coming in and the income so all of that “investment money” is being quickly used up to pay the bills. Hopefully our industry can recover quickly!
I think it would be nice from canon if they bring an update to the C500 Mark II so it can shoot 120fps in S35 4K. Otherwise C500 M2 people will be a little disappointed...
That would be fantastic, hopefully that comes and the camera is capable of it as it has a completely different sensor. Carl
Many people in the C500MKII Owners Facebook group are pretty livid right now.
Just goes to show that you should never jump the gun on a brand new camera, especially when NAB is right around the corner. The camera market these days is very unpredictable and so supersaturated, that some lower end models will inevitably encroach on some of the higher end models' capabilities. Its less about tiers these days, and more about niche capabilities. If you want full frame 6k, go with the C500MKII, but if you don't care as much about FF or 6K and would rather have HFR, go with the C300MKII. And if you need 8K, but no internal NDs, the R5 is perfect for you.
Cameras are so close in capabilities these days, that's its more about what you as a creator can do with it, rather than the camera itself, which I think is ultimately a good thing.
Does the smaller sensor mean worse low light performance?
Compared to the C500 II ? Possibly, would have to do side by side tests to know for sure.
I wouldn't class this as having a small sensor though, super35mm is pretty much industry standard now at this point.
Carl
Amazing looking camera. Mouth watering. Fantastico! But... As a predominantly a Sony shoote, I'd be interested in switching systems, in taking the pain and expense of investing in new glass, in the bit and bobs and batteries- ..so as to make use of their exiting, incredible Canon RF glass. I struggle to see why, as they continue roll out their new RF mount and parade the advantages of mirrorless lenses, that these new Cinema cameras don't have a RF mount underneath an EF adapter... The EF system is essentially dead, and as we see with the coming R5, the future is mirrorless. The physics of the lenses is undeniable... Sony has the same mount from the a6000 to Venice, still the only manufacturer to do this- and once you've been adapting any lens under the sun to a mirrorless mount, it's really, really hard to look at the EF mount the same way again, and lay down a sizeable chunk of change for an EF camera. Canon will keep many customers with this camera, but they may not get many new ones.
3.45 highlight roll off didn't look great on the leaves.
Does the body have XLR? (Without Extension brick)
Yes, 2 Carl
Him i noticed also on ISO 6400 there was planty of red noice in the black area any one noticed ? Is it going to be fixed after ?
This is a preproduction camera, so probably unfair to judge things like that too closely right now.
Carl
Think it's unfortunate of Canon to release the C300III shortly after launching the C 500 MK II. Higher framerates have become an important feature, which the C 500 is missing. I feel fooled as a buyer of the C 500 II and as a Canon customer (in spite of the full sensor).
Wonder if it will be addressed in a firmware update. Is the extra $5K USD worth the 5.9K sensor? Will the increased dynamic range make for a better image? Guess we'll see in the tests but both cameras without a doubt are more than adequate for 99% + film makers. The 2k 120 crop isn't the end of the world and is still completely useable but the fact you don't have to readjust your shot on the C300MKiii will be incredibly beneficial to doc film shooters, etc...
@@Jimfinites thank you for your reply on the C 500 II. Appreciate your channel, inlc. today's live presentation!
I have tried out the 2K 120 fps - it's ok and perhaps good enough for the few time one is using it. Nevertheless the full sensor 6 K is fantastic. As a backup camera I am also using the Black Magic 6 K - for light travelling. The quality in 6 K 25-50 fps and 2.5 K up to 120 fps is amazing for it's price.
Hi thank you for video, can it support RF mouth ?
No, their interchangeable mount design doesn't allow enough space for an RF mount option unfortunately. So I doubt it will ever happen. The back of the lens would have to be recessed inside the camera pretty much.
Carl
Thank god they gave 4k 120fps 2k 180fps.... thank god canon thought about slow motion feature... this is the best camera of canon. Even they gave 4k 120fps in canon eos r5 mirror less camera great to hear that.
Canon finally did something for slow motion...
Its great to see isn't it! 4K 120p is going to be fantastic to have on this camera.
Carl
Does the Canon C300 Mark 3 have two sd card slots and two cfast card slots
No, just two CFast card slots. Its the same media set up as the C500 II.
There is one SD card as well but it is for proxies.
Carl
Still no RF mount. It's like they don't know that EF lenses can be adapted. Strange. The dual gain ISO is clearly the most exciting thing about this camera.
Yeh, no RF mount being built into these cameras is a bit of a mystery isn’t it. DGO is looking fantastic. I’d be careful about calling it ‘dual native iso’ though. Keen to separate it in peoples minds from a dual native ISO. As it’s very different. Carl
RF mount is fly by wire or let's say focus by wire technology which is very unreliable in manual focus till this date, and in these kind of Pro/Semi Full production cameras those lenses are not reliable. Other half is it's still lenses and suffers through Par focal, stepless aperture, inconsistent ring sizes(front diameter, focus ring, zoom and aperture ring). My be one day RF lens might come with those all upgrades, which means Canon doesn't have plan for those in RF lenses. I think this way no offence though.
Yeah not gonna happen until they decide to produce RF cinema glass. With so many other cameras having EF mounts or people adapting to EF cinema glass, I don't see that happening anytime soon!
I believe that what Loud&Clear and Carl are trying to say is that by having an RF mount you still have the possibility of using EF , PL and Locking EF adapteurs. The question is: does an RF mount give you the space to put internal variable NDs when using RF lenses.
My bet is that canon will come out with RF mount for the cinema line by January 2021, that will sit either above or below the C500Mkii &C300Mkiii in order to protect these 2 cameras.
I wish it was full frame 🖼
I’m guessing this won’t have the ability to do ProRes RAW anymore ?.. like the Mk 2
Mk 2 did not do ProRes Raw
The Raw is internal now, so theres no Prores raw option i'm afraid. Canon Raw Light can be used in more software now though than Prores raw.
Carl
C300mk3 vs fx9 which is better for music videos?
Canon C200 for $5000 you get canon RAW Lite, With the money you save , you can buy Lenses or Lights . Think about it Music Videos are short you can film in raw.
you can even buy it used bro you ll get good deals now
when is it going to be realistically priced?
What would you class as 'reasonably priced' out of interest?
Obviously its always great when things cost less. But its already at a lower pricepoint than the C300 line normally sits at, plus its priced lower than Sony's FX9.
Carl
😍😍😍
now sony hv to give us FS7 iii
Great, now when will I get any work to pay for it!
Change the way that you work....some people are flourishing right now. Why can't you?
How exactly are you supposed to go out and shoot in this current climate?
@@MichaelRichards983 Exactly who is "flourishing"?
Red Who????
Press F for those who just bought the new c500 --__--
The c500 II is still the flagship. Sure it doesn’t have the slow motion. But it does have a beautiful large format sensor. Carl
@@ProAVTV For sure, although I think a lot of people would prefer the slow motion and saving £6.5k!
@@ProAVTV It does have slo-mo, what are you implying? Not the extent of the 300mkll, but 60p plenty slow for most
ProAV TV isn’t the C700 the flagship?
cool cat!
No DCI 4k 😏
According to Canon, there is: www.canon-europe.com/video-cameras/eos-c300-mark-iii/specifications/
He wasn't clear if the sensor is Full Frame
He said it's s35.
It’s super 35mm. Not full frame. The c500 II is the full frame option from canon. Carl
5:03
Nice video but audio is too low
Canon is throwing EVEN the kitchen sink
It’s great to see isn’t it! Carl
i don't know what to critics.
I agree! They got a lot of things right with this camera.
Carl
Да, ясно все... Кому камера, а кому карантин...
Your cat's eyes are terrifying
RIP Sony, Fujifilm, BMD, Panasonic and Nikon.
That is so not true! C300Mkii seems nice, I have the budget for it, and I need a dedicated video camera with built in ND and XLR imputes , but I am still on the fence because FX9 is no slouch at the same price point, and I have a feeling Black magic might drop a New Ursa Mini Pro anytime soon with internal B-Raw , That will be huge if you ask me, and Panasonic might drop a new cinema line with there new Full frame L-mount, I would Hate to buy a C300Mkii and aa bunch of lenses and then have one of these cameras come out at the end of this year, let alone if canon puts out a C100 with an RF mount. YES C300Mkii looks nice but its not that exiting . I'll tell you what is exiting an XT4 paired with MKX Zoom Lenses, now thats pure FIRE
Canon is coming out swinging!
Agreed!
Carl