You're a weirdo do you realize the voters voted for change not for what you queer for Palestine think why would you want to stop the change that America voted for you don't think Trump voters expected all of his picks
The major problem with this is that the left wing was TOO DIVIDED with inner squabbling, meanwhile the right wing was UNITED in supporting Trump for the most part! You leftists especially those with socialist and progressive bias and ideology, combined with alternative media, anti gov/establishment/mainstream divided the voting base up, contributing to the failure of this election. That plus centrists and other podcasts giving Trump soft balls and undecided voters is what led to your failure, most of the left wing's REFUSAL to unite and support the corp dems and too much time WHINING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT CORP DEMS is what led to this failure! So next time, after this 4 years of misery under Trump, figure out how to unite the left wing under one banner or it's another Trump win!
It’s because the voters vote on the feelies. Trump has a much better connection to this. His double digit IQ connects better with the angry white voter. Hell. the angry Hispanic voter too. You are looking for a logical argument here. No. It’s how it looks. Elon is the spaceman and contributes to the American image of a winner. He gets a pass.
Cenk made some good points. To say that the media doesn't have candidate favorites and doesn't affect elections is hilarious. Most people didn't even know who Bernie was until the middle of the 2020 primaries. Destiny got cooked here
Bernie was doing just as well in 2016 as he was in 2020... but the DNC rallied against him because he wants to get money out of politics, and they don't.
This is where I think Cenk did a bad job making his point. Destiny tried to claim that populism needs to show some proof and they can't, but he's being dishonest in this and Cenk didn't phrase it clearly to show the bad faith argument. Populism is an idea the democratic establishment hasn't embraced fully and thrown it's media behind, they've literally used media against it. The same argument in reverse that destiny was making would be like telling him "try winning a race on corporate centrist ideas but do it without a budget this time, and with a populist counter narrative being broadcast against them the entire time". they'd get obliterated. Media and propaganda amplify results. They have lost many races WITH a budget at their disposal. Populist Democrats have won some races with no budget and Democratic media shitting on them, which essentially is the proof destiny was asking for.
I don't really understand why destiny is in favor of the corporate Democrats. Even if his argument is they are "more electable". They don't do enough good for that to mean anything. Just winning one election doesn't matter if significant real changes don't come out of it. Then you got some half measures that don't make people feel the changes and they just go back to letting Republicans win.
Did you delete my comments? Like why? I was agreeing with you and trying to give clarity to your points where I felt Cenk fell short in his explanation.
She did but she didn't use progressive talking points, call out billionaires or go on that ONE podcast that would have changed the game. At least I assume that's the left-wing response.
Sadly, our two party system is showing its age, as they've both slid so far to the side of big business that the things which differentiate them are merely topical "issues" that they then weaponize and use to vilify "the other side" without any recourse to the fact that we can disagree with one another and still work together to get fundamentally important things done, such as demonetizing politics and removing public taxpayer money going to the private healthcare firms... Social issues ARE important, but the fact that the two parties are so preoccupied with focusing and fixating on "identity politics" and "feelings" rather than the things that we ALL want and need... And the Republicants are horrifically in the pocket of the corpo-fascists...
Can I tell you a secret? Obama was a Bush Sr. Pick. If anyone could be considered Obamas god father. It was Bush sr. Obamas adopted father was Bush sr best friend in the world. One of the five richest men. He ran haliburton international. For Bush sr. Chenney met Bush sr because he was Obamas second cousin. For real. Obama pays more taxes than all the presidents combined he insanely more rich than Trump. 33% of his fathers Trust. Is 50 million a year. He never had to do a thing in his life. Running for president was a favor to Bush sr. That is why anyone of intelligence on the left like me knew the neo cons switched sides because they had too. They were hated and to stay in power they had to take the democrat party. They will stay there until they find a good replacement. in secret of course. You will only know the neo con by the way he votes. They can erase some ones history and ties to the neo cons completely. The way they have scrubbed Lolo Soetoro's name from the internet and the fact that Obama was using a social security number of someone who was born in Connecticut, fyi it was Big Mikes great uncles number. A woman sued him for that and he paid her 5 million to shut up. No one cared because the news cycle that day was all about how seal team six murdered a patsy thinking they killed Osama Bin Laden. A five year old can strip Obamas birth certificate apart into layers on adobe photo shop. If the idiot would have just saved it as a jpeg file instead of saving it to a .gov website in its original pdf format no one would have ever known he wasn't an American. Hillary knew that is why she said he was kenyan born and couldn't be president. I'm surprised she just didn't have him killed like every one else from africa she has met. Her pet name for the white house chef was N word. That is all she called him by. Her daughter is Web Hubbles Bill I don't think has ever slept with her. Web was a fellow partner in a law firm she worked at in Little Rock. If you think any of this is a lie go look up a picture of Web Hubbles daughter. Chelsea should be in those results too. Because they might be twins. who knows everything else about the democrat party has become a lie. Those are not Obamas kids either. Michelle can't get pregnant neither can any man. I know you leftys don't like to here that men can't get pregnant but its the truth. Michelle is still trying, but sadly will never be a natrural mother. I feel for her but its not the fault of the right. They didn't make her a dude. She really should lean into the whole I'm a man thing. Because damn she has a huge cock ! If you wanna see it just watch her do her dance on the Ellen show. That thing was about to come out of her skirt. Its like she was hiding a trebuchet down there. Big enough to destroy any kings Castle. Also Hillary had her friend try to kidnap around 30 children from Haiti for her and her fellow Luciferins to sacrifice and or child traffic. More than anything else was she was running out of adrenochrome. Or as they say Walnut sauce. Language pulled from her emails that wikileaks released. her emails shown that she was told that her packages in Haiti were stopped by police and she immediately sent a known child trafficker and lawyer to Haiti to get her friend out jail. That lady plead to lesser charges the kids went back to their distraught parents who were looking for them none were orphans. That lady went on to be the vice president of the company in charge of handling the amber alert system. Just in case I guess. If the same happens here they can get away with it. I don't know why the hell democrats didn't read her emails. They are really dumb. Because had they read them they would not call themselves democrat anymore. That is a fact. I could never call myself that, again. not after that crazy shit. They were enlightening.
How do you feel abandoned? I am as working class as it can get and I feel abandoned by the democratic voter. They sat on their asses and let Trump win.
@@thetruthstrangerthanfictio954 nah Destiny makes sense he is just emotionally retarded if I can make up a term. Dude doesn't understand empathy. I don't watch him often but if he's not Autistic I'll be shocked
Lol, this whole debate is stupid…still pretending their party did not make terrible policies that people clearly sees are bad now…not only that: divided population with racism, misogynie, anti-science, fact checkers (I could go on…)
@@mariokz8055 Oh, do go on ... Only delusional people and ruthless rightwing grifters are afraid of facts and reality. But I do concede, in that under and miseducated, media braiwashed, science fearing religious fundy MAGA heartland open racism, misogyny, white supremacy and bitter hate are clearly winning policy propositions! Apparently human compassion, acceptance, inclusion, universal physical/mental healthcare, a working life compatible with human existence, and striving for the common good is an anathema to a large segment of US voters.
> my union voted 90% trump but trump made it very clear hes anti union? even that whole musk "you fire everyone if they strike!" comment? evidently i have no clue either, can you explain why your colleagues would vote for someone who will destroy union power and worker rights
I don’t think David gets enough credit for being a great debate moderator. Even in the past when he’s had people like Denis Prager on for debates, he doesn’t put in his thumb on the scale too much, and keeps the conversation on track.
Yeah, this is the first time I’ve seen him moderate. I’m super impressed. I usually hate debates because I can’t stand the yelling and talking over top of each other. I love how he guided the responses to keep things on track and narrowed down specific ideas for the reply. This was actually really enjoyable to watch and I feel like I came away having clearly heard each person’s response. Cenk and Destiny were both also refreshingly respectful of the other person’s talking time and listened without interrupting.
@@TyCook-s1cyou just proved his point ao incredibly well its hilarious. America us a consitutional republic, and a democracy. Republic in western generally means not having a King. Constitutional means the presidents power is limited by a constitution. Otherwise there isnt a single democracy in the world. Sweden and England and constitutional monarchies, we are also democracies. America is so uneducated and irrational, atleast it makes internet alot more entertaining lol.
which is why we need to reform education why are kids learning Spanish and geography over coding and economics. why are civics and home ec not a thing anymore. why dont we have carpentry welding auto mechanics electrical engendering engendering medics philosophy(law) and computer science. 12 year of the same subjects is nonsense. math should be able to teach geometry by the 6 to 7th grade that shouldnt be a highschool subject nor should English
@@jca9417 clue for you Mr. anti-intellectual... L O L when you weren't funny, makes you just sound dumb like your entire generation. Try not to write lol ever. He is smart... you just have an inferiority complex
I think his aggressiveness is refreshing. He learns about the topics before he discusses them. We need more people to discuss these subjects with accuracy. And, get shit on if you don't have the integrity to do so.
That's kinda' like saying "do sports commentators think that people who watch sports actually pay attention to the inner workings of each team?" Some do, some don't. You can be a fan for a team and have very little knowledge of what goes on with them.
@@dandotvid The difference is that sports are entertaining and people actually want to watch them meanwhile the average normie gives no fucks about politics beyond what the media portrays as giving them a better economy and having better vibes, nobody reads or cares about policies which is why Trump never talked about them during his campaign
These 3 need a podcast together, both to show that even if you disagree/dislike someone you can come together and talk it out, and it would be entertaining
Destiny is SUPER wrong if you listen to him you will always lose. Trump never ran political office and he won!!!! We need need a celebrity like Jeff Ross the roast master or John Stewart!! Not Joking
No. Destiny does not deserve a platform at all. He says the n word as a white dude. Openly supports genocide. And has crusaded against cenk's nephew hasan for years now. He's also platformed nazis like Nick fuentes, and they do not call them nazis when Nick fuentes is a holocaust denier and even invited him over to his house.
I just watched two lefties argue for supporting candidates more like Trump, and praise the idea of a government spending audit and budget cuts, essentially supporting DOGE😂 The country is healing.
They have NEVER passed an audit.... Their audits only became mandatory 7 years ago. Their spokespersons always blow it off when they've been asked about it, as well.
That’s just one sector of the government, and let’s face it: a majority of Americans aren’t going to decry the Pentagon until Trump says to. Like come on, why are we losing the plot so easily.
@@masterchief9291 specifically he was right that Kamala had a lot of momentum after being nominated and choosing Tim Walz, a very progressive governor, as running mate. But then she basically went center right on issues such as immigration and Israel-Palestine and parading around with Dick Cheney. She became establishment and corporate backed and that’s when she lost. She gave up on running on progressive policies.
@@masterchief9291 or when he called Elon’s bluff on cutting government bloat to see if we can make big cuts to Pentagon budgets. Destiny just complains that he doesn’t know what to cut, so I guess don’t even try? I couldn’t quite understand Destiny point there
@@micahvandam9658 To your first comment, this seems like having an answer and searching for the question.. it's too circular for my taste. It could be as simple as no one pays attention to the VP normally so she was suddenly thrust into the spotlight with a media entourage behind her which soaked up all the positives, and as time went on (as it does for everyone) support wanes. Saying she went "center right" on [x] isn't really saying anything. Arguably the majority of Americans agree with her position more on what you referenced, but this wasn't a policy based election. At least imo.
Yeah I noticed that. I don't think Destiny had a great grasp of British politics either (and I can't blame them, they don't live here) but yeah I thought the same when I heard Cenk's comments. Destiny is right that it was a rejection of the incumbent, not a vote for the left.
@PaulStargasm Yeah the polling shows it was a collapse in the Conservative vote that led to Labour winning, rather than a massive uptick in Labour votes. As an aside, I don't think Cenk has any grasp of UK politics beyond the Labour party and even then he's shoe-horning the little he does know into a broader narrative which doesn't fit; whereas, Destiny at least has an accurate general sense but, in contrast, he doesn't fall into the trap of speaking on elements he doesn't really know 🤷
I think you might have misinterpreted Cenk slightly. What he saying is that the people are voting against both the left and the right because the majority of the population are sick of politics as usual. Therefore in one sense they appear to lurch left and right because they switch between left and right parties. Yet the real reason this is happening is because neither party are pursuing economic policies that are popular to the voting majority.
Just run a candidate that has absolutely no problem appearing anywhere, being interviewed by anyone. The only two people I could think of is Jon Stewart and Pete Buttigieg, and only one of them wants to be President.
Dude above said how he right is, when off the top of the dome he lied about far left winning and saying Britain flips from left wing to right wing back to left wing 😂😂😂
I absolutely love this: legitimate discussion spurred on by genuine questions. Piers needs to take some bloody notes! Cenk even tempered himself when he didn't get a rise out of Steven. If you don't encourage the guests to act like monkeys throwing shit, they can actually have constructive discussion. Who would have thought it possible.
The media is not unfair to corporate democrats, but it’s certainly unfair to democrats (or independents like Bernie and Dan Osborn) who don’t take corporate money and are actually advocating for economic policies that will materially hurt the wealthy who control society
I think Cenk and Destiny both bring some good things to the table. But man, Cenk can really have a hard time listening sometimes, especially at the end. Almost unwilling to understand Destiny (and David’s) takes on the pentagon stuff. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Cenk never actually named anything he wanted to cut, even after being asked and saying he would name something 😂
I think cenk is advocating the idea that we should go looking for things too cut (sounds a little conservative, but I FWI). Destiny , is concerned about the use of the freed up money under the trump administration. Ignore the way Destiny and Cenk treat each other and we can see some interesting things
What Cenk what's saying is how can he propose cuts for a specific things when money is going missing. So essentially if you are missing $400 million or can't account for where it went, the next year's budget should be $400 million less
I understood you cant name the things to cut because the money they lose is not accounted for. Theoretically whatever they couldnt account for should be cut because they apparently didnt need it
When I was in college I took a class got Organizational Behavior and it was a requirement for Business majors. In that class we learn that ppl hate change. They get comfortable with the status quo. To enact big changes you must create a ‘burning floor’ and once the change is done you must freeze it and get ppl to be comfortable with the new normal. The left needs to understand this dynamic more than anything. And this is why I think pragmatism is critical. Too much change scares ppl
Just take a look at national approval ratings of some of the more progressive policy proposals in the U.S. It clearly shows that the majority of Ameicans are in favour of progressive policies but the democrats either suck at messaging or don't care to message effectively.
If that was always true, you'd expect them to vote for Biden or Harris. Trump was the change candidate this election. (Change for the worse, but still).
This is how debates should go unlike when piers Morgan does them. People allowed to get complete sentences in and finish their thoughts without interruption or mockery that especially piers like to do
Piers entertains debates between different political parties. He doesn’t line the panel up with one party to debate amongst themselves. Expecting both debates to produce the same level of courtesy is delusional.
@@richardzammetti7453@richardzammetti7453 Piers Morgan does more right-wing vs left-wing panelists. He constantly interrupts left-wingers and makes rude remarks, yet pampers the Republicans. Piers has shown bias and lacking knowledge when it comes to Trump topics while offering misinformation with right wing media talking points while ignoring actual facts presented
When I first started being more politically engaged a few years back, the YT algorithm led me to TYT and debate bros. I thought I got away from them for good... 💀
how do you feel when someone like cenk argues against David Packman 10 months ago saying Biden should drop out and we should have a Democratic primary. And David is against it. Makes me think cenk is more correct than David.
Did destiny really say that leftists critique Kamala too much and then point to mainstream media questions at a debate as evidence? Wtf is he talking about? Has he ever formed a coherent argument in his life?
These type of clowns speaking are part of the reason why the democrats lost by a landslide and if the democrats do not walk away from the far left and pull back to center they will never win a election again . Lol
Great conversation, both parties listened to each other and argued on a factual level. I absolutely agree with Cenks take here. @David great job moderating.
Because Cenk doesn't actually know anything about defense spending or military spending or much of anything military related. He just remembers the Iraq War, the constant headlines about failed Pentagon audits, all those early 2010s articles about how terrible the F-35 is, and random tidbits of information about former generals going to work in the defense industry (How wild is that? People with knowledge about defense going to work in the defense industry after they retire from the military. Crazy and obscene!) and thinks that the DoD is just some giant grift made to line the pockets of defense executives and politicians He couldn't name two defense programs he'd want to cut if you asked him. It's all just more of the same under-researched uninformed vibes-bases populist drivel that's poisoned our politics
There is no difference. I think what you are talking about is mandatory vs discretionary spending, which is completely irrelevant other than debunking the claim that we pay more for military than healthcare when it is the opposite. Either way, the military only costs as much as it does because the vast majority of military spending is spent on other countries. In fact if you look at total federal spending, the vast majority of taxpayer dollars goes to foreign countries, or foreigners in America than American purposes. This is why America rarely fights wars that actually directly involve us, we are instead fighting wars of other countries who bribe politicians under the table.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Military spending is funding all the US bases around the world. Empirical escapades. Dr. Ron Paul tried explaining this to the American ppl when he ran for POTUS. He had more support among on duty soldiers & Veterans than the rest of his opponents combined.
This was an interesting convo! We should have more of these where it’s “people on the left” disagreeing with each other on nuanced issues like this. Hopefully y’all will have more of these!
@@wddilly8488if you're honestly questioning that you're likely so far "left" that you fell off a cliff. You should probably stay down there, Respectfully.
Because it's a loaded question. How the hell is anyone supposed to answer that without being a military expert as well as an accountant and having all the data in front of him?
It's always the same thing everyone looking at why people lost using their ideological glasses. Everyone creating a story that fits with their ideology to explain why they lost.
You mean the guy that was born in a country that has spent more time in charge by authoritarian regimes, moves to the US and now preaches idiocy that I'll lead to political unrest. 😅😅
@Tqoratsos666 I don't judge people where they come from rather on their behaviors. Cenk is a smart guy, but I think he is rude, arrogant, dismissive and doesn't have much empathy.
@@BuckeyeExpat I was actually talking about Pakman, and I'm not judging him on where he comes from, merely what political divisions did to his country of origin and how he's helping seed those same issues here.
@@Tqoratsos666 ok..sorry I misunderstood you. Cenk was also not born in US. I think Pakman gives alot of effort to critically think through issues. He is usually polite and lets people finish their point. Sometimes he is an alarmist I agree. I don't believe or agree with everything he says. But we all have to have critically think about any political pundit left, right or whatever. Still I like Pakman's style over Cenk. Pakman stays cool and he does reflect on both sides of the issue often.
I used to think Cenk would be the first progressive commentator to flip right. I was wrong. My guys principled as fk. I find my self agreeing with him more and more. Him and Kyle Kulinski. Destiny makes some good points, but he's just missing the major point.
I feel that cenk is to emotional to convey his political stances on issues which makes it hard to have a conversation and destiny is to cynical not of policies but of people in general I genuinely feel destiny thinks large parts of America are knuckle scrapping idiots for having mild disagreements on issues.
One side attacks each other more than they attack their opponents. They also do these attacks in public and not behind closed doors. Maybe that's why they lose?
@@blackout07blueFirstly, this was not a landslide defeat. Secondly, the progressives/leftists were being openly critical of the party even before the eelction, and many wouldnt even give Harris their support.
haven't you watched kamala's debate/campaigns? where even after watching quite a few you still have no idea of her policies? and where most of their time is spent on attacking trump??
Tens of millions consistently vote for the Democrats, and Trump's victory was 1.5%. The Democratic party has delivered for the working class for over a century.
I supported Katie Porter in the CA Senate primary and there was some intense trolling on her FB page. Someone really wants to squash anyone who talks about corporate greed.
You sound paranoid. She's genuinely unpopular, at least compared to Schiff. When people attack Schiff, who I strongly support, I never think "it's some shadowy cabal!" This is why progressives always lose- no self-reflection or accountability.
@@rickmolina2206exactly! I'm in Europe and it is not better here (I'm not from the US) but it seems like you have lots of trolls in the comments wanting to split your left up. Please work with concepts like coalitions (even wjth people who are not 100% great if need be) to turn the tables. The people agree on the issues like gun control etc Also... I'm not saying this selflessly OpenDemocracy has published investigations into 'dark money' coming from the US to other parts of the world to influence our politics too. Just like Russia etc. And the worst thing is it kind of works. Also please find and celebrate small victories and find JOY to inspire people. (Take breaks too.) Here the anger from the left helped bring down the govt but we ended up with the surge in the 'populist' right wing. Please.. the anger social media outrage stuff needs an antídote! (Sorry and also really good luck and stay safe) Good luck!
I’m not there yet but Destiny did the same thing in the very first question. “No the Democrats did not abandon the working class because Trump is bad on labor.”
That wasn’t even a question. Even if it was are you comfortable with that much money not being accounted for? Right or left that money could be used on something that we can account for
as an outsider, watching you americans debating over which ONE candidate to support is just pure comedy. that's what the lack of ranked choice and mandatory voting do to a country - people supporting the same party foam at the mouth at each other over which one is the most "electable" rather than who actually has better policy & is less corrupt etc. that's how you always end up with a dungbeetle vs a roach in your presidential elections. but noooo. it's too hard to talk about electoral reform that universally benefits the entire country. it's easier to let out some steam at the other "faction" of the party when your party loses. yous are completely and utterly hopeless.
We've long wanted this. The two party system is an entrenched way of this country from the beginning and it's got pros and cons. Instead what you see is parties changing into other parties on a very rapid scale. Within a relatively short period, we've seen the Republican Party become a new almost indistinguishable Maga populist-nationalist party. Your criticism is an easy one to make but do you take effort to ask why or notice anything else going on with it and what steps are needed to change it? So yes, ideally, a lot of us want things we can't have. That change is starting to happen very slowly and it's still possible but in the end, we have the Electoral College winner take all piece as the root cause of it. There's more talk on it than you think but it's not enough yet. It comes up a lot more these days though given the recent trend of things.
@@johngagon yet, every time anyone brings up mandatory voting, most of you always go "but i should have the fReEDoM to choose whether or not to vote". right now, you have a voter turnout of roughly 60%, which means a candidate wins presidency when they get 30% of the vote. 30% of the voting age population is determining who governs 100% of the population. "minority rules" is the opposite of democracy. yet none of you view this as a crisis and still insist on having the ill informed & misguided notion of "freedom" of choosing whether to partisipate in democratic process or not. it's not just the two party system that's entrenched. it's your collective mindset as well. "the world's most powerful country" is only 29th on the Democracy Index. but you guys just don't care that much. half of you is happy to let the country slide further into authoritarianism as long as the guy they vote for keeps talking tough on perceived/manufactured enemies. the other half is also keen to put the electoral reform talk on hold as long as their candidate wins because they think the system magically becomes less broken when their side wins. please change.
The electoral reform of which you speak requires a constitutional amendment which takes 2/3 of both chambers in our national legislature, so it is practically impossible
Ranked choice and elimination of the electoral college system should be one of the highest priorities of any democratic candidate. People hate the idea of ranked choice because it’s too complicated. But then look at cities that use it. They love it. Talk about it and its success. Getting rid of the EC would go a long way to forcing candidates to engage the entire country rather than 5 states. But then look at only way for that to work would be public financing for elections. It would be prohibitively expensive to go to every state and campaign. Then we get to Court reform…sigh
@@reddottx the judicial is something i neglected. yeah. that's also ridiculous from an outsider perspective. what kind of democracy has party appointed high court judges that parties expect to make decisions along party lines? absolutely lunatic this is. also you guys need mandatory voting. your voter turnout is hovering over 60%, which means 30% of the voters determines who rules over 100% of the population. this is also laughably undemocratic. all of these things combined is the reason why you guys are down in number 29 out of all 195 countries in the world in Democracy Index. this is abnormal. please realise that.
When she didn’t go on Rogan, I knew she was definitely going to lose. For one - made her look like a eltitist snob. Second - was a wasted opportunity to show she had plans for and cared about the problems men are facing. Note to the democratic party - woman have husbands, woman have male children. Not addressing issues that could directly affect 48% of voters is a recipe for disaster. Also - If people are worried about their mortgage, car payment, and/or putting food on the table - Abortion becomes a luxury issue an should never be the primary focus of your campaign. Lastly - there are too many voters who will never, and I repeat never, vote for a woman as President due to their religious beliefs. A few of my liberal friends asked me to watch TYT a few months before the election. All 3 refused to vote for democrats this election due to Gaza and corporate demcorats. After watching TYT - Cenk is part of the reason Trump has a 2nd term and republicans control the House.
I feel like that's kinda the reason why he's wrong lol. "People don't feel like they're being represented/politicians aren't doing enough" - this can be true, but "The people embedded in politics are doing what they can" - this can also be true at the same time. Even the perfect candidate is not going to have perfect policy when they get elected, because they'll face so much opposition that they will by necessity need to compromise to get flawed-but-good policy to pass.
To hear these three talk about cutting government spending when the Democrats by nature are for expanded and bloated government. The government tends to mismanage funds in all areas not just the Pentagon. Look at the billions wasted on Medicare and Medicaid for example. These three just want to see our government burn up our money in other ways.
Democrats who are infamous for believing in bloated government are now going to lecture us on cutting government spending.😂😂😂😂 There are so many areas where we could cut outside of the Pentagon. Since when has government ever been efficient with the use of your money?
As a general rule you should avoid using "this guy", when there are two guys discussing things. EDIT. Especially when it on inspection turns out, that you actually meant the interviewer, and not one of the two guests.
Yes Cenk!! 2 very different groups of progressives! I’m in the camp of Bernie-economic progressive! The corporate do-nothing Democrats and the crazies who can’t find one common sense thing to agree on scare me!
Human rights aren't common sense? Is common sense an agreement on which marginalized groups the majority can suppress? Human rights are not negotiable.
@ there you go! I’m for gay rights but I’m not for men in women’s sports no matter your surgeries! If we agree special Olympics should exist then why isn’t it common sense that two special categories should exist for those altered to be female presenting or male presenting? It’s crazy batshit positions like these that had solid democrats voting for that hateful man! Paying for surgery to change your sex is elective just like me opting for a boob or bbl or tummy tuck etc. Looking at a male presenting person with full on beard and a deep voice and telling me his pronouns are she and her and asking me to call her Isabella is a mess and would have required a psych evaluation just a few years ago! I’m for protecting the Palestinians but I know it’s complicated and pushing my one candidate to alienate Jews during the election when the alternative is effing Trump is stupid! I personally am sick of the far left social bullshit that is making all progressives seem crazy! I am for protecting human rights but we need to solve our immigration problem! Red States are poor and uneducated but big cities are unsafe! We are paying a fortune to Ukraine and Israel but student loans, healthcare still not solved! The legal immigrants on temporary status from Venezuela, Cuba, Ukraine, Haiti deserves our help but they get free healthcare and food stamps yet most of us don’t have access to these programs! I’m saying we don’t have to compromise on humanity by being stupid ! Outside of your righteous bubble, most people are where I’m at! At some point Dems are gonna have to call bullshit on some wedge issues while delivering true tangibles for everyone! Dirt poor and super rich are the winners albeit skewed. The near poor and middle are about to pop or maybe they did by voting for this lunatic!
@@haydensanford1987 and here we go! I’m for human rights and because of that I want women protected from men all facets including sports! I’m not cis -I am a woman! You see Bernie front and center for common sense not foolery! Neither am I here for foolery! It’s always women who get the bad end of foolery!
looking at these comments show me why the Democrats lost. Y’all won’t even acknowledge the fact that she wasn’t a good candidate 🤣🤣.Like her supporters never acknowledge the fact that she avoided the press for the first 45 days of her Campaign.
Not so. Democrats across the board criticize Harris. We are not the Republican party where "Dear Leader" never does anything wrong. Trump barely won the election, and did so with one of the smallest margins in history (1.5%). It did not help that there were two spoilers in the race who together received 1%. That said, Harris was the best available candidate considering the circumstances. With Biden dropping out late nobody else would have been able to pull a campaign together, period. Biden put the party in a massive bind by running for re-election at his age, and with his favorability rating in the tank on the economy. Americans consistently boot the party in the WH out when the economy is perceived as bad for most Americans. The economy was the number one issue in the election. Harris could not throw Biden under the bus, and she needed to do so. She did best when she was lashing out at corporate greed which was the primary cause of food price inflation. She did not hit the ground running with interviews and went for big splashy rallies that did not gain her any votes, true. Who the hell cares about performers at a rally/concert? I turned most of them off. Then she veered right to pick off never-Trumper Republicans and hang out with Liz Cheney, and lost the base. Trump slightly improved his previous performance. and a large portion of Democratic voters did not show up, and swing voters moved to Trump. Why? Because he had been pounding on the economy and immigration from the beginning. The election was still close, but Harris had both issues hanging around her neck. She could have done many things better, but 230,000 votes in the Midwest swing states would have changed the outcome. The House is just a few votes shy of the Democrats winning control.
5:00 The only country in which the incumbent party did not lose its election this year was Mexico. MORENA maintained its majority in both houses of the legislature and the presidency.
Yes but Morena is a fairly NEW party. Mexico was ruled for decades by the same party prior to 2000. Then new parties broke through. Morena is literally a party that began existing like half a decade ago; they are still seen as "not the establishment". Progressives making this point don't understand Mexican history when making this point; I am willing to bet that they don't even know that a President can't run for reelection immediately after winning their first presidential election (it is similar to our term limits but ends after 1 term).
the Labour party in England only won 35% of the votes. They just benefited from the Tory party splitting votes with the farther-right party, leading to big wins for Labour.
When it comes to Shapiro it's easy to find info that debunks him. What I've noticed when people criticize destiny, is they point to the most superficial shit. There's literally a comment above yours pointing to how his mouth moves when he talks. You'd think someone would have a criticism of what he says rather than who he is, as a person. When it comes to the arguments there's nothing. If arguments were substantiated by how he looks, mannerisms, or who he sleeps with, then he'd be cooked.
@@anthonyl9126 I'd criticise him by saying Andrew Wilson and Metokur annihilated him. They're text book examples of pointing out his petulant behaviour
you're overreacting lol, people thought the Dems were done after 1988, 3 straight blowout wins for Republicans. ppl thought the Republican party was done after Obama whopped them, then the Dems lost the midterms in 2010 which created the Tea Party and Trump upset Hillary in 2016. voters are dumb and vote against incumbents. dont be suprised if Dems win the '26 midterms and the '28 presidential election
Neither of them ever concede points. That's what we're missing in modern debating. It's clear that they actually agree with each other on certain issues, but neither are willing to admit it because they feel like it weakens their position. That's bad debating form and certainly contrary to their stated goal of changing people's minds.
Why would they concede points when both feel that they are correct? There was no moment here where one was swayed to the other side. I think Destiny is correct and the facts on the ground support his positions on this. The idea that progressives are sooo popular but they're never able to win any elections anywhere is so asinine.
Unfortunately that's the problem with the left side of politics at the moment, the Trump cult is strong because they are unified behind one idiot. Lefties cant agree to vote for the same candidate, the far left hates the moderate left even though they should be trying to convince them and the moderate left refuse to dive into the far left craziness.
@@jacktalks5008 If you listen to the interview, you'll see that they have a great deal of overlap in their ideas, but because they're approaching this as a debate instead of a discussion, they won't even acknowledge it. They both agree that the Left has better solutions than the Right, that Republicans controlling everything is a disaster, and that money in politics is a massive problem (among many other things).
As a 25 year old former democrat and anti-woke progressive Destiny represents the abysmal failure side of the Democratic Party. We need economic progressives, who are able to say no to bad liberal social policy such as gender transition for minors and teaching people racism in schools.
I think Cenk is generally an insane individual, but on this issue he's unfortunately correct. It was the gender and other identity stuff that probably tipped it, a lot of Latin people don't appreciate being dragged into it and being called Latinx for example. But regardless, none of this is justified nor does it justify Cenk's recent turncoat behaviour. Rare Cenk win, but then again, his opponent is Destiny.
@@RandomDudeDrawz Yeah absolutely I agree, and they scared a lot of hateful morons away from voting Democrat. Again, like I said, just because Cenk's making this point, doesn't mean that any of what happened during the election was ok.
In all the survey, polls, and focus groups done during and after the election, "WOKE" barely made the list. Republicans are the ones who keep bringing it up because it is a right-wing propaganda meme.
They did a great job elaborating on the divisive culture of the left. I voted red for my first time this election I probably won’t go back , because I don’t see this changing.
@@BenThere77 The United States saw an 18.1% increase in homelessness this year, a dramatic rise driven mostly by a lack of affordable housing as well as devastating natural disasters and a surge of migrants in several parts of the country, federal officials said Friday. The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development said federally required tallies taken across the country in January found that more than 770,000 people were counted as homeless - a number that misses some people and does not include those staying with friends or family because they do not have a place of their own.
@@zcorpalpha2462 That was a pretty random response. I'm just assuming you are a Republican who thinks Trump is actually going to be able to fix anything. If so, the joke is on you. He's already making excuses about bringing down prices, and that was THE reason he won by that 1.5% margin. Remember, he'll bring grocery prices down and "it will happen fast!".
SIGN NOW: Do NOT confirm Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense! atadvocacy.com/sph1113?ref=dp
nah dudes getting confirmed. just dont cry again when you lose followers.
You're a weirdo do you realize the voters voted for change not for what you queer for Palestine think why would you want to stop the change that America voted for you don't think Trump voters expected all of his picks
The major problem with this is that the left wing was TOO DIVIDED with inner squabbling, meanwhile the right wing was UNITED in supporting Trump for the most part! You leftists especially those with socialist and progressive bias and ideology, combined with alternative media, anti gov/establishment/mainstream divided the voting base up, contributing to the failure of this election. That plus centrists and other podcasts giving Trump soft balls and undecided voters is what led to your failure, most of the left wing's REFUSAL to unite and support the corp dems and too much time WHINING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT CORP DEMS is what led to this failure!
So next time, after this 4 years of misery under Trump, figure out how to unite the left wing under one banner or it's another Trump win!
where do i sign?
What is wrong with you people
Destinys resting face looks like he's watching the police search his car and there's weed in the glove box but they haven't found it yet.
lmfao
Why tf is that so accurate lmfao
cenk seems to always be on the verge of tears, but does uphold that classic turkish bigotry
@@CryatrixIronic coming from you who's a true bigot
Amazin’
I need Cenk to explain to me why Mark Cuban supporting Kamala supposedly "alienated the working class" while Musk supporting Trump didn't. Like what.
The right sees Musk as a savior, that’s the difference lol.
Good point. I bet it's because mark cuban is an elitist while musk is more casual carl
@@henrywinston6225 I'm assuming that's what you think Cenk will say, Cuban is probably the only down to earth super rich guy I can think.of.
It’s because the voters vote on the feelies. Trump has a much better connection to this. His double digit IQ connects better with the angry white voter. Hell. the angry Hispanic voter too. You are looking for a logical argument here. No. It’s how it looks. Elon is the spaceman and contributes to the American image of a winner. He gets a pass.
@mjr_schneider BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW WHO TRUMP IS. KAMALA HARRIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE DIFFERENT! Do you get now?
In this election, there were people that voted for AOC who also voted for Trump.
Yeah, people that don't like the ever-worsening status quo. The Dems have completely alienated workers.
That actually insane. I dunno who would vote for AOC
I believe it's because even though people don't exactly agree with her you know she means well and seems honest.
Can someone explain to how this even happens?
Those voters are insane and can’t be specifically targeted
Cenk made some good points. To say that the media doesn't have candidate favorites and doesn't affect elections is hilarious. Most people didn't even know who Bernie was until the middle of the 2020 primaries. Destiny got cooked here
Bernie got a lot of press in 2016.
Bernie was doing just as well in 2016 as he was in 2020... but the DNC rallied against him because he wants to get money out of politics, and they don't.
This is where I think Cenk did a bad job making his point. Destiny tried to claim that populism needs to show some proof and they can't, but he's being dishonest in this and Cenk didn't phrase it clearly to show the bad faith argument.
Populism is an idea the democratic establishment hasn't embraced fully and thrown it's media behind, they've literally used media against it.
The same argument in reverse that destiny was making would be like telling him "try winning a race on corporate centrist ideas but do it without a budget this time, and with a populist counter narrative being broadcast against them the entire time". they'd get obliterated. Media and propaganda amplify results.
They have lost many races WITH a budget at their disposal. Populist Democrats have won some races with no budget and Democratic media shitting on them, which essentially is the proof destiny was asking for.
I don't really understand why destiny is in favor of the corporate Democrats. Even if his argument is they are "more electable". They don't do enough good for that to mean anything. Just winning one election doesn't matter if significant real changes don't come out of it. Then you got some half measures that don't make people feel the changes and they just go back to letting Republicans win.
Did you delete my comments? Like why? I was agreeing with you and trying to give clarity to your points where I felt Cenk fell short in his explanation.
Didnt Kamala talked about rising the minimum wage, lowering drug costs, making housing affordable, etc? Am I in the wrong universe?
She did but she didn't use progressive talking points, call out billionaires or go on that ONE podcast that would have changed the game. At least I assume that's the left-wing response.
@@benwasserman8223Didn’t do Joe Rogan
She did. No one listened nor cared, so we're gonna see the opposite of those now. Bunch of retarded voters.
Yes, but disinformation convinced people it was Trump who was for all those things.
@JosephReviewsFilm Why does that matter? Did trump do MSNBC?
Cenk literally got into a spat with Ana about his right to call Trump a dictator. And now he's blaming everyone for calling him a dictator? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cenk is a left wing fat Alex jones
@@mistergrim_official he’s an utter buffoon!
The difference is the view and liberals call him a dictator for the silliest things
I would keep in mind that his right to do something doesn't mean he HAS to do it. That was him being his usual hypocritical self.
I didn't hear this. What timestamp?
I am part of the working class and I feel abandoned by the Democratic Party.
Sadly, our two party system is showing its age, as they've both slid so far to the side of big business that the things which differentiate them are merely topical "issues" that they then weaponize and use to vilify "the other side" without any recourse to the fact that we can disagree with one another and still work together to get fundamentally important things done, such as demonetizing politics and removing public taxpayer money going to the private healthcare firms... Social issues ARE important, but the fact that the two parties are so preoccupied with focusing and fixating on "identity politics" and "feelings" rather than the things that we ALL want and need... And the Republicants are horrifically in the pocket of the corpo-fascists...
me too
Can I tell you a secret? Obama was a Bush Sr. Pick. If anyone could be considered Obamas god father. It was Bush sr. Obamas adopted father was Bush sr best friend in the world. One of the five richest men. He ran haliburton international. For Bush sr. Chenney met Bush sr because he was Obamas second cousin. For real. Obama pays more taxes than all the presidents combined he insanely more rich than Trump. 33% of his fathers Trust. Is 50 million a year. He never had to do a thing in his life. Running for president was a favor to Bush sr. That is why anyone of intelligence on the left like me knew the neo cons switched sides because they had too. They were hated and to stay in power they had to take the democrat party. They will stay there until they find a good replacement. in secret of course. You will only know the neo con by the way he votes. They can erase some ones history and ties to the neo cons completely. The way they have scrubbed Lolo Soetoro's name from the internet and the fact that Obama was using a social security number of someone who was born in Connecticut, fyi it was Big Mikes great uncles number. A woman sued him for that and he paid her 5 million to shut up. No one cared because the news cycle that day was all about how seal team six murdered a patsy thinking they killed Osama Bin Laden. A five year old can strip Obamas birth certificate apart into layers on adobe photo shop. If the idiot would have just saved it as a jpeg file instead of saving it to a .gov website in its original pdf format no one would have ever known he wasn't an American. Hillary knew that is why she said he was kenyan born and couldn't be president. I'm surprised she just didn't have him killed like every one else from africa she has met. Her pet name for the white house chef was N word. That is all she called him by. Her daughter is Web Hubbles Bill I don't think has ever slept with her. Web was a fellow partner in a law firm she worked at in Little Rock. If you think any of this is a lie go look up a picture of Web Hubbles daughter. Chelsea should be in those results too. Because they might be twins. who knows everything else about the democrat party has become a lie. Those are not Obamas kids either. Michelle can't get pregnant neither can any man. I know you leftys don't like to here that men can't get pregnant but its the truth. Michelle is still trying, but sadly will never be a natrural mother. I feel for her but its not the fault of the right. They didn't make her a dude. She really should lean into the whole I'm a man thing. Because damn she has a huge cock ! If you wanna see it just watch her do her dance on the Ellen show. That thing was about to come out of her skirt. Its like she was hiding a trebuchet down there. Big enough to destroy any kings Castle. Also Hillary had her friend try to kidnap around 30 children from Haiti for her and her fellow Luciferins to sacrifice and or child traffic. More than anything else was she was running out of adrenochrome. Or as they say Walnut sauce. Language pulled from her emails that wikileaks released. her emails shown that she was told that her packages in Haiti were stopped by police and she immediately sent a known child trafficker and lawyer to Haiti to get her friend out jail. That lady plead to lesser charges the kids went back to their distraught parents who were looking for them none were orphans. That lady went on to be the vice president of the company in charge of handling the amber alert system. Just in case I guess. If the same happens here they can get away with it. I don't know why the hell democrats didn't read her emails. They are really dumb. Because had they read them they would not call themselves democrat anymore. That is a fact. I could never call myself that, again. not after that crazy shit. They were enlightening.
@@charlesgarber5911 , the Democrats are also horribly in the pocket of the corpo-fascists ...
How do you feel abandoned? I am as working class as it can get and I feel abandoned by the democratic voter. They sat on their asses and let Trump win.
The funniest thing is that Destiny hates Cenks nephew
@@GaryTurbo doesn’t Destiny support g3n0c1d3?
I'm assuming that's the real reason this conversation even happened
In a pretty unhinged and unhealthy way tbh. But it is hilarious.
@@GaryTurbo because Hasan is an even worse entitled grifter
Rightfully so, Hasan lies through his teeth about Destiny lol
This conversation feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Cenk has seen the progressive movement lose everything the last 8 years (minus Biden’s platform), and Cenk still won’t moderate. Lol
That’s why us lifelong democrats went for trump this time lol..
An effective, entirely accurate description of the status quo democratic party Destiny defends.
@@JamesDeanoli I agree. While I am not a fan of Cenk, he does say some common sense things. Destiny never says anything that makes sense.
@@thetruthstrangerthanfictio954 nah Destiny makes sense he is just emotionally retarded if I can make up a term. Dude doesn't understand empathy. I don't watch him often but if he's not Autistic I'll be shocked
David you did a terrific job of mediating this discussion.
I mean . . .Cenk talked 90% of the time.
@@scoobydoobers23 The other guy had nothing worth while to say. 😛
@@RhB-fan51 I don't think Destiny was even bothering. Cenk is articulate as an igneous rock.
Lol, this whole debate is stupid…still pretending their party did not make terrible policies that people clearly sees are bad now…not only that: divided population with racism, misogynie, anti-science, fact checkers (I could go on…)
@@mariokz8055 Oh, do go on ...
Only delusional people and ruthless rightwing grifters are afraid of facts and reality.
But I do concede, in that under and miseducated, media braiwashed, science fearing religious fundy MAGA heartland open racism, misogyny, white supremacy and bitter hate are clearly winning policy propositions!
Apparently human compassion, acceptance, inclusion, universal physical/mental healthcare, a working life compatible with human existence, and striving for the common good is an anathema to a large segment of US voters.
DAVID...You should have these two on your shpw more often. I just love to hear opposing views within the Democratic Party. ❤️❤️❤️
David, great to see these on your channel. These types of debates / discussion need to keep happening more often on the left
There was Uniparty troll Destiny, and then the populist progressive, Cenk.
100% I support this
Exactly 110%
Destiny has no clue, my union voted 90% trump
Same here
> my union voted 90% trump
but trump made it very clear hes anti union? even that whole musk "you fire everyone if they strike!" comment? evidently i have no clue either, can you explain why your colleagues would vote for someone who will destroy union power and worker rights
What union
@@ThatsCrazyBro3752 chicken voting for KFC Hahaha.
IBEW
It was clearly the individual feeling the economy was failing for the working class and the voters blamed the current government for it.
LOL- tyt thinks that elon maga moron is going to give him the time of day.
Maga is for WHITES ONLY.
Maga is for WHITES ONLY.
Tyt is also garbage-
Elon won’t look at you.
And the Democrats kept telling us how great everything was despite our own "lived experience". Idiots.
@@aaronsbraga and now these people are sitting back and have no idea what happened or why… Truly clueless
We need to go in a combatitive direction. Stop playing Mr. nice guy and have someone who fights back rhetorically and with action.
Yes. I agree
💯
Trump is your daddy again, deal with it
Unfortunately we needed that like a year ago. We just need a real progressive for the next election. That is, if we make it to next election.
@@bjarczyk We need someone who works the loopholes. Jon Stewart articulated this perfectly in a recent show.
I don’t think David gets enough credit for being a great debate moderator. Even in the past when he’s had people like Denis Prager on for debates, he doesn’t put in his thumb on the scale too much, and keeps the conversation on track.
He's very, very good.
@@TheColdrush22the moment when he provided clarification about healthcare polling is a perfect example. He should do more of these
Yeah, this is the first time I’ve seen him moderate. I’m super impressed. I usually hate debates because I can’t stand the yelling and talking over top of each other. I love how he guided the responses to keep things on track and narrowed down specific ideas for the reply. This was actually really enjoyable to watch and I feel like I came away having clearly heard each person’s response. Cenk and Destiny were both also refreshingly respectful of the other person’s talking time and listened without interrupting.
Sure but.........that "mustache"......wash your face young man.
Yes much better than the idiot from the UK pierce.
"Democracy can not work in an Uneducated Society"- Plato
Thankfully we have a republic then?
@@TyCook-s1cyou just proved his point ao incredibly well its hilarious. America us a consitutional republic, and a democracy. Republic in western generally means not having a King. Constitutional means the presidents power is limited by a constitution.
Otherwise there isnt a single democracy in the world. Sweden and England and constitutional monarchies, we are also democracies.
America is so uneducated and irrational, atleast it makes internet alot more entertaining lol.
You forgot a the word democratic in Democratic Republic.
@@mangocrises Constitutional Republic
which is why we need to reform education why are kids learning Spanish and geography over coding and economics. why are civics and home ec not a thing anymore. why dont we have carpentry welding auto mechanics electrical engendering engendering medics philosophy(law) and computer science. 12 year of the same subjects is nonsense. math should be able to teach geometry by the 6 to 7th grade that shouldnt be a highschool subject nor should English
Destiny is the only person I've ever seen that moves their mouth sideways to talk.
It's throwing me off.
He had a speech impediment when he was younger and this is the way he corrected it but yeah it doesn’t look so great
He talks out of the side of his mouth😮😢😊😅
@@emilevangheem6165 He went from having a speech impediment to talking a million miles a minute by wiggling his jaw? Amazing!
He's an amphetamine addict
Too much Adderall, he is always geeking out.
I don’t know who the dude in the middle is but he’s kind of part of the reason I despise the democrats
he is a massive piece of s**t. He has gone from gamer to manosphere to talking smart about politics...
Hes super smug and thinks he's above everybody. Probably thinks If you don't have a college degree in any random study....you're dumb or something lol
@@jca9417 clue for you Mr. anti-intellectual... L O L when you weren't funny, makes you just sound dumb like your entire generation. Try not to write lol ever. He is smart... you just have an inferiority complex
@@jca9417
Mr vermelli
I think his aggressiveness is refreshing. He learns about the topics before he discusses them. We need more people to discuss these subjects with accuracy. And, get shit on if you don't have the integrity to do so.
Does Cenk think that people who vote actually pay attention to campaigns?
That's kinda' like saying "do sports commentators think that people who watch sports actually pay attention to the inner workings of each team?" Some do, some don't. You can be a fan for a team and have very little knowledge of what goes on with them.
People that don’t follow politics broke for Trump by 14 pts.
@@dandotvid "some do, some dont" this is bs and you know it.
@@dandotvid The difference is that sports are entertaining and people actually want to watch them meanwhile the average normie gives no fucks about politics beyond what the media portrays as giving them a better economy and having better vibes, nobody reads or cares about policies which is why Trump never talked about them during his campaign
They do, that's why Kamala and Hilary lost?
Why does Cenk always seem like he’s on the verge of tears
because he cares, destiny is a bigot
Unstable
@@mateovncnt7411he thinks he cares but it is all about his ego and his identity.
@@mateovncnt7411how is Destiny a bigot?
He's high
These 3 need a podcast together, both to show that even if you disagree/dislike someone you can come together and talk it out, and it would be entertaining
Replace Cenk with Kyle Kulinski
Destiny is SUPER wrong if you listen to him you will always lose. Trump never ran political office and he won!!!! We need need a celebrity like Jeff Ross the roast master or John Stewart!! Not Joking
@@2311ification Name one thing he is wrong on in this conversation, and provide your proof. I'll wait.
It would devolve into a gay threesome within three episodes
No. Destiny does not deserve a platform at all. He says the n word as a white dude. Openly supports genocide. And has crusaded against cenk's nephew hasan for years now. He's also platformed nazis like Nick fuentes, and they do not call them nazis when Nick fuentes is a holocaust denier and even invited him over to his house.
I just watched two lefties argue for supporting candidates more like Trump, and praise the idea of a government spending audit and budget cuts, essentially supporting DOGE😂
The country is healing.
More like losing its sh*t.
Pentagon hasn’t passed an audit in damn near a decade, Destinys trippin. He’s the extremist, neocon..
They have NEVER passed an audit.... Their audits only became mandatory 7 years ago. Their spokespersons always blow it off when they've been asked about it, as well.
They have NEVER passed the mandatory, annual audits.
He's not tripping, he's just trying to have an actual intelligent conversation as opposed to the emotional hyperbole you get from Chunk.
@@jeffgojailDestiny is incapable of having an intelligent conversation. Cenk isn’t much better.
That’s just one sector of the government, and let’s face it: a majority of Americans aren’t going to decry the Pentagon until Trump says to. Like come on, why are we losing the plot so easily.
Great showing from both, Steven "Mr.Borelli" Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell the Second, and Sink Ogre
Wha, wha. Nothing thoughtful to offer, have you.
@defendandprotect-om5hv thoughts; no, head; empty
That's so fucking jokes... @defendandprotec-om5hc - sad you aren't capable of seeing the thoughtfulness provided.
😂
MR.BORELI!
translation of cenyk: “everybody not me is so wrong”
He has a naunced point of view that makes sense. Dems lost because they went corporate
I wondered where hasan learned it from
He’s so far up his own ass, it’s ridiculous.
Also Cenk: everybody who was wrong said the exact same things as me.
Literally all Cenk has to do is moderate a half-dozen of the most maximalist progressive economic policies. He seems too dumb to get that.
Thank you David for having these 2 on.
aww sorry bruh
@@ryuk5673 like. What? Why are you saying sorry to someone that just literally said thank you. Are you confused? 😂
@@TinnyDee no but I’m not gonna answer your question bc ur prob just trying to bait an argument. Use ur brain I bet you can figure it out.
“The Young Turks” is slipping out of Cenk.
Cenk's strongest arguments always ends up being how much he shakes his head.
He was right on just about every point in this interview. And I’m not a big Cenk fan, especially on some of his other issues.
@@micahvandam9658give some specifics.
@@masterchief9291 specifically he was right that Kamala had a lot of momentum after being nominated and choosing Tim Walz, a very progressive governor, as running mate. But then she basically went center right on issues such as immigration and Israel-Palestine and parading around with Dick Cheney. She became establishment and corporate backed and that’s when she lost. She gave up on running on progressive policies.
@@masterchief9291 or when he called Elon’s bluff on cutting government bloat to see if we can make big cuts to Pentagon budgets. Destiny just complains that he doesn’t know what to cut, so I guess don’t even try? I couldn’t quite understand Destiny point there
@@micahvandam9658 To your first comment, this seems like having an answer and searching for the question.. it's too circular for my taste.
It could be as simple as no one pays attention to the VP normally so she was suddenly thrust into the spotlight with a media entourage behind her which soaked up all the positives, and as time went on (as it does for everyone) support wanes.
Saying she went "center right" on [x] isn't really saying anything. Arguably the majority of Americans agree with her position more on what you referenced, but this wasn't a policy based election. At least imo.
Cenk talking about the UK going left, then right, then left, uhhhhhh......no the fuck we didn't 😂
Yeah I noticed that. I don't think Destiny had a great grasp of British politics either (and I can't blame them, they don't live here) but yeah I thought the same when I heard Cenk's comments. Destiny is right that it was a rejection of the incumbent, not a vote for the left.
@PaulStargasm Yeah the polling shows it was a collapse in the Conservative vote that led to Labour winning, rather than a massive uptick in Labour votes.
As an aside, I don't think Cenk has any grasp of UK politics beyond the Labour party and even then he's shoe-horning the little he does know into a broader narrative which doesn't fit; whereas, Destiny at least has an accurate general sense but, in contrast, he doesn't fall into the trap of speaking on elements he doesn't really know 🤷
@@PaulStargasmhe asked who rishi sunak was like 2 days ago on stream so yeah not a great grasp
I think you might have misinterpreted Cenk slightly. What he saying is that the people are voting against both the left and the right because the majority of the population are sick of politics as usual. Therefore in one sense they appear to lurch left and right because they switch between left and right parties. Yet the real reason this is happening is because neither party are pursuing economic policies that are popular to the voting majority.
I am not British, but I was scratching my head there too lol. The Tories were in charge for 14 years. It only recently flipped back to Labour.
Destiny your wrong
Trump laughing at both of them.
Just run a candidate that has absolutely no problem appearing anywhere, being interviewed by anyone. The only two people I could think of is Jon Stewart and Pete Buttigieg, and only one of them wants to be President.
Lol. Cenk is a joke by now
That's what Harris did. She showed up in every interview. She went on 60 seconds and the 🍊💩 canceled out.
@@Wynn-fr6ozDidn’t sit down and talk to Joe Rogan for three hours.
@@Wynn-fr6ozand she still lost big 😂hilarious bahahahaha 😂
Walz could do it.
Cenk exploding is like a daily occurrence, he looks like he's about to have a stroke 24/7 it's so fascinating to watch him
The best part is how right he is...
Its really funny how he sets his shit up in a way that makes his head so big too. You can see those veins popping up as the debate goes
He's an entertainer.
Dude above said how he right is, when off the top of the dome he lied about far left winning and saying Britain flips from left wing to right wing back to left wing 😂😂😂
@Tumorcoach
Check their username: americanidyut. Hopefully, they're being sarcastic.
I absolutely love this: legitimate discussion spurred on by genuine questions.
Piers needs to take some bloody notes!
Cenk even tempered himself when he didn't get a rise out of Steven.
If you don't encourage the guests to act like monkeys throwing shit, they can actually have constructive discussion.
Who would have thought it possible.
*person who never called Trump Hitler makes good point against trump*
Piers: But he has AURA! And you called him hitler!
I find Piers shit show entertaining.
The idea that Democrats complain that the media is unfair to their party/candidates is WILD!!!!
Yet honest
@@MrLifter20😂😂😂
The media is not unfair to corporate democrats, but it’s certainly unfair to democrats (or independents like Bernie and Dan Osborn) who don’t take corporate money and are actually advocating for economic policies that will materially hurt the wealthy who control society
@@MrLifter20what rock are you living under? democrats control almost all media
It's Intellectual dishonesty or then are actually ignorant.
I think Cenk and Destiny both bring some good things to the table. But man, Cenk can really have a hard time listening sometimes, especially at the end. Almost unwilling to understand Destiny (and David’s) takes on the pentagon stuff. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Cenk never actually named anything he wanted to cut, even after being asked and saying he would name something 😂
All 3 have their niches.
I think cenk is advocating the idea that we should go looking for things too cut (sounds a little conservative, but I FWI). Destiny , is concerned about the use of the freed up money under the trump administration. Ignore the way Destiny and Cenk treat each other and we can see some interesting things
@ Fair enough my friend. I think they are two sides of a good coin in all honesty. Agreed.
What Cenk what's saying is how can he propose cuts for a specific things when money is going missing. So essentially if you are missing $400 million or can't account for where it went, the next year's budget should be $400 million less
I understood you cant name the things to cut because the money they lose is not accounted for. Theoretically whatever they couldnt account for should be cut because they apparently didnt need it
You moderated this debate very well. Its refreshing to not hear people talking over each other
Dude, Destiny is unsufferable.
I literally don't understand how people can listen to the dude talk for hours every day.
With enemies like this we can never lose.
When I was in college I took a class got Organizational Behavior and it was a requirement for Business majors. In that class we learn that ppl hate change. They get comfortable with the status quo. To enact big changes you must create a ‘burning floor’ and once the change is done you must freeze it and get ppl to be comfortable with the new normal. The left needs to understand this dynamic more than anything. And this is why I think pragmatism is critical. Too much change scares ppl
Just take a look at national approval ratings of some of the more progressive policy proposals in the U.S. It clearly shows that the majority of Ameicans are in favour of progressive policies but the democrats either suck at messaging or don't care to message effectively.
No. It scares people who feel they have something to lose. That's just it, we are in a place where to many people no longer feel that way. OBVIOUSLY.
@ multiple studies have shown that ppl tend to be risk averse in general. Which makes enacting changes in organizations very difficult.
Yes. Racism is the norm.
If that was always true, you'd expect them to vote for Biden or Harris. Trump was the change candidate this election. (Change for the worse, but still).
This is how debates should go unlike when piers Morgan does them. People allowed to get complete sentences in and finish their thoughts without interruption or mockery that especially piers like to do
Piers entertains debates between different political parties. He doesn’t line the panel up with one party to debate amongst themselves. Expecting both debates to produce the same level of courtesy is delusional.
@@richardzammetti7453@richardzammetti7453 Piers Morgan does more right-wing vs left-wing panelists. He constantly interrupts left-wingers and makes rude remarks, yet pampers the Republicans. Piers has shown bias and lacking knowledge when it comes to Trump topics while offering misinformation with right wing media talking points while ignoring actual facts presented
@ your first statement is true. He does favor the right. Everything else you said is the standard delusion that cost the Dems the election.
I’m not sure who is responsible for deleting my last comment, but that’s what Lefties do to protect their delusion. Truly pathetic!
Piers show is just set up for ratings and view.. Like watching a reality TV chit show.
When I first started being more politically engaged a few years back, the YT algorithm led me to TYT and debate bros. I thought I got away from them for good... 💀
how do you feel when someone like cenk argues against David Packman 10 months ago saying Biden should drop out and we should have a Democratic primary. And David is against it. Makes me think cenk is more correct than David.
Back to MSNBC 😂😂😂
Did destiny really say that leftists critique Kamala too much and then point to mainstream media questions at a debate as evidence? Wtf is he talking about? Has he ever formed a coherent argument in his life?
These type of clowns speaking are part of the reason why the democrats lost by a landslide and if the democrats do not walk away from the far left and pull back to center they will never win a election again . Lol
Great conversation, both parties listened to each other and argued on a factual level.
I absolutely agree with Cenks take here.
@David great job moderating.
Bot
Why don't they point out that there's a difference between military spending & defense spending.
Because Cenk doesn't actually know anything about defense spending or military spending or much of anything military related. He just remembers the Iraq War, the constant headlines about failed Pentagon audits, all those early 2010s articles about how terrible the F-35 is, and random tidbits of information about former generals going to work in the defense industry (How wild is that? People with knowledge about defense going to work in the defense industry after they retire from the military. Crazy and obscene!) and thinks that the DoD is just some giant grift made to line the pockets of defense executives and politicians
He couldn't name two defense programs he'd want to cut if you asked him. It's all just more of the same under-researched uninformed vibes-bases populist drivel that's poisoned our politics
Pentagon bad!
There is no difference. I think what you are talking about is mandatory vs discretionary spending, which is completely irrelevant other than debunking the claim that we pay more for military than healthcare when it is the opposite. Either way, the military only costs as much as it does because the vast majority of military spending is spent on other countries. In fact if you look at total federal spending, the vast majority of taxpayer dollars goes to foreign countries, or foreigners in America than American purposes. This is why America rarely fights wars that actually directly involve us, we are instead fighting wars of other countries who bribe politicians under the table.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Military spending is funding all the US bases around the world. Empirical escapades. Dr. Ron Paul tried explaining this to the American ppl when he ran for POTUS. He had more support among on duty soldiers & Veterans than the rest of his opponents combined.
because these entities are Gaza Holocaust enablers
This was an interesting convo! We should have more of these where it’s “people on the left” disagreeing with each other on nuanced issues like this. Hopefully y’all will have more of these!
Which one was on the left???
@@wddilly8488if you're honestly questioning that you're likely so far "left" that you fell off a cliff.
You should probably stay down there, Respectfully.
People on the fake left.
@@masterchief9291
Yeah and this is why you lose. Nobody likes you. Shilling for the establishment is not popular
@@wddilly8488 Thats a good question. I would imagine that Cenk is more on the left of Destiny.
Destiny asked “What do you want to cut from the Pentagon?” Cenk goes “Just cut it” How is that an answer?!
Because it's a loaded question. How the hell is anyone supposed to answer that without being a military expert as well as an accountant and having all the data in front of him?
It's always the same thing everyone looking at why people lost using their ideological glasses. Everyone creating a story that fits with their ideology to explain why they lost.
Not saying your wrong, but I'm curious about your take on "why" they lost.
Harris lost because people are stupid. And the billionaire class made it that way.
I mean yeah, humans apply theoretical frameworks to attempt explaining complex issues with no clear answers. You have a better solution?
@@0willow0 Yeah, do that, but only if it advances social justice and the common good.
There is a mass of data from voters regarding why Harris narrowly lost and Trump one. It does not take much ideology to analyze.
This is gonna be great. Pakman please do more like this
So funny to watch Destiny hide behind his hand when he’s confused.😂😂😂
So funny to watch the lefties losing it. The right has a bright future
So funny to watch his chin move in odd ways
Destiny is evil.
He manages to be on the wrong side of every issue.
Cenk is always so animated and preaches and goes on forever. I much prefer David Pakman's approach
Sakman is a bum
You mean the guy that was born in a country that has spent more time in charge by authoritarian regimes, moves to the US and now preaches idiocy that I'll lead to political unrest. 😅😅
@Tqoratsos666 I don't judge people where they come from rather on their behaviors. Cenk is a smart guy, but I think he is rude, arrogant, dismissive and doesn't have much empathy.
@@BuckeyeExpat I was actually talking about Pakman, and I'm not judging him on where he comes from, merely what political divisions did to his country of origin and how he's helping seed those same issues here.
@@Tqoratsos666 ok..sorry I misunderstood you. Cenk was also not born in US. I think Pakman gives alot of effort to critically think through issues. He is usually polite and lets people finish their point. Sometimes he is an alarmist I agree. I don't believe or agree with everything he says. But we all have to have critically think about any political pundit left, right or whatever. Still I like Pakman's style over Cenk. Pakman stays cool and he does reflect on both sides of the issue often.
I used to think Cenk would be the first progressive commentator to flip right. I was wrong. My guys principled as fk. I find my self agreeing with him more and more. Him and Kyle Kulinski.
Destiny makes some good points, but he's just missing the major point.
Same…cenks gone further left as democrats and destiny go further right imo
cenk was actually originally a republican
I feel that cenk is to emotional to convey his political stances on issues which makes it hard to have a conversation and destiny is to cynical not of policies but of people in general I genuinely feel destiny thinks large parts of America are knuckle scrapping idiots for having mild disagreements on issues.
One side attacks each other more than they attack their opponents. They also do these attacks in public and not behind closed doors. Maybe that's why they lose?
Republicans do this more than anybody on the planet. This is so dumb
What’re you even talking about? This is what you do after a landslide defeat.
How is it a landslide? She won 19 states. Reagan in 1984 is a landslide.@@blackout07blue
@@blackout07blueFirstly, this was not a landslide defeat. Secondly, the progressives/leftists were being openly critical of the party even before the eelction, and many wouldnt even give Harris their support.
haven't you watched kamala's debate/campaigns? where even after watching quite a few you still have no idea of her policies? and where most of their time is spent on attacking trump??
There's no Democratic party which represents the voters.
NONE of this matters.
Tens of millions consistently vote for the Democrats, and Trump's victory was 1.5%. The Democratic party has delivered for the working class for over a century.
sorry, first. - I like your channel very much - Germany
Me to,Canadian ,only one I watch with interest
I supported Katie Porter in the CA Senate primary and there was some intense trolling on her FB page. Someone really wants to squash anyone who talks about corporate greed.
Well, she's known for committing domestic violence and for being a physically abusive nut to her own political staff, so, yeah.
Ding ding ding. Say it louder for the people in the back!
Lol. Porter was in and polling fairly good, and then the farther-Left brought in Rep. Lee to divide the left’s votes like idiots. So they lost.
You sound paranoid. She's genuinely unpopular, at least compared to Schiff. When people attack Schiff, who I strongly support, I never think "it's some shadowy cabal!" This is why progressives always lose- no self-reflection or accountability.
@@rickmolina2206exactly!
I'm in Europe and it is not better here (I'm not from the US) but it seems like you have lots of trolls in the comments wanting to split your left up.
Please work with concepts like coalitions (even wjth people who are not 100% great if need be) to turn the tables. The people agree on the issues like gun control etc
Also... I'm not saying this selflessly OpenDemocracy has published investigations into 'dark money' coming from the US to other parts of the world to influence our politics too. Just like Russia etc. And the worst thing is it kind of works.
Also please find and celebrate small victories and find JOY to inspire people. (Take breaks too.)
Here the anger from the left helped bring down the govt but we ended up with the surge in the 'populist' right wing. Please.. the anger social media outrage stuff needs an antídote!
(Sorry and also really good luck and stay safe)
Good luck!
36:34 notice how cenk doesn’t answer the question just moves on to the next point. Unfortunately this is the perfect reason why debate go nowhere smh
Why this debate went nowhere or debates in general?
I’m not there yet but Destiny did the same thing in the very first question. “No the Democrats did not abandon the working class because Trump is bad on labor.”
That wasn’t even a question. Even if it was are you comfortable with that much money not being accounted for? Right or left that money could be used on something that we can account for
I’m a conservative and voted for Trump 3 times lol and I’m also 100% in favor of cutting the military
as an outsider, watching you americans debating over which ONE candidate to support is just pure comedy. that's what the lack of ranked choice and mandatory voting do to a country - people supporting the same party foam at the mouth at each other over which one is the most "electable" rather than who actually has better policy & is less corrupt etc. that's how you always end up with a dungbeetle vs a roach in your presidential elections. but noooo. it's too hard to talk about electoral reform that universally benefits the entire country. it's easier to let out some steam at the other "faction" of the party when your party loses. yous are completely and utterly hopeless.
We've long wanted this. The two party system is an entrenched way of this country from the beginning and it's got pros and cons. Instead what you see is parties changing into other parties on a very rapid scale. Within a relatively short period, we've seen the Republican Party become a new almost indistinguishable Maga populist-nationalist party. Your criticism is an easy one to make but do you take effort to ask why or notice anything else going on with it and what steps are needed to change it? So yes, ideally, a lot of us want things we can't have. That change is starting to happen very slowly and it's still possible but in the end, we have the Electoral College winner take all piece as the root cause of it. There's more talk on it than you think but it's not enough yet. It comes up a lot more these days though given the recent trend of things.
@@johngagon yet, every time anyone brings up mandatory voting, most of you always go "but i should have the fReEDoM to choose whether or not to vote". right now, you have a voter turnout of roughly 60%, which means a candidate wins presidency when they get 30% of the vote. 30% of the voting age population is determining who governs 100% of the population. "minority rules" is the opposite of democracy. yet none of you view this as a crisis and still insist on having the ill informed & misguided notion of "freedom" of choosing whether to partisipate in democratic process or not.
it's not just the two party system that's entrenched. it's your collective mindset as well. "the world's most powerful country" is only 29th on the Democracy Index. but you guys just don't care that much. half of you is happy to let the country slide further into authoritarianism as long as the guy they vote for keeps talking tough on perceived/manufactured enemies. the other half is also keen to put the electoral reform talk on hold as long as their candidate wins because they think the system magically becomes less broken when their side wins.
please change.
The electoral reform of which you speak requires a constitutional amendment which takes 2/3 of both chambers in our national legislature, so it is practically impossible
Ranked choice and elimination of the electoral college system should be one of the highest priorities of any democratic candidate. People hate the idea of ranked choice because it’s too complicated. But then look at cities that use it. They love it. Talk about it and its success. Getting rid of the EC would go a long way to forcing candidates to engage the entire country rather than 5 states. But then look at only way for that to work would be public financing for elections. It would be prohibitively expensive to go to every state and campaign. Then we get to Court reform…sigh
@@reddottx the judicial is something i neglected. yeah. that's also ridiculous from an outsider perspective. what kind of democracy has party appointed high court judges that parties expect to make decisions along party lines? absolutely lunatic this is. also you guys need mandatory voting. your voter turnout is hovering over 60%, which means 30% of the voters determines who rules over 100% of the population. this is also laughably undemocratic. all of these things combined is the reason why you guys are down in number 29 out of all 195 countries in the world in Democracy Index. this is abnormal. please realise that.
Kamala not going on Rogan was disastrous. Made her look like a coward.
Get ready for republican power for the next 20 years
What would Kamala have even said on Joe Rogan?!!!😂
@@its_rick_james_bich2575uhhmmm that she grew up in a middle class family?
When she didn’t go on Rogan, I knew she was definitely going to lose. For one - made her look like a eltitist snob. Second - was a wasted opportunity to show she had plans for and cared about the problems men are facing. Note to the democratic party - woman have husbands, woman have male children. Not addressing issues that could directly affect 48% of voters is a recipe for disaster. Also - If people are worried about their mortgage, car payment, and/or putting food on the table - Abortion becomes a luxury issue an should never be the primary focus of your campaign. Lastly - there are too many voters who will never, and I repeat never, vote for a woman as President due to their religious beliefs.
A few of my liberal friends asked me to watch TYT a few months before the election. All 3 refused to vote for democrats this election due to Gaza and corporate demcorats. After watching TYT - Cenk is part of the reason Trump has a 2nd term and republicans control the House.
A coward that she is
The most unbearable people on the Internet all in one place😂
Says a nazi scum like you. Go watch conspiracy nuts
It’s incredible lol this is the avengers of jackasses
Hahaha unreal comment
LOL. like the Male version of the View. Throw Mark Cuban in with his TDS lately and this is a party
Cenk is not bad
So nice to have a respectful debate / discussion where they each let the other make their point fully and dont cut across or butt in!
I feel like Cenk is the only one calling out what is blatantly obvious to everyone except the people embedded in politics
He only started doing it because Ana started first and was proven right.
I feel like that's kinda the reason why he's wrong lol. "People don't feel like they're being represented/politicians aren't doing enough" - this can be true, but
"The people embedded in politics are doing what they can" - this can also be true at the same time.
Even the perfect candidate is not going to have perfect policy when they get elected, because they'll face so much opposition that they will by necessity need to compromise to get flawed-but-good policy to pass.
Exactly 🔥
What’s funny this guy don’t realize he’s the reason why Trump got to be a president again. And others like him
Which guy?
To hear these three talk about cutting government spending when the Democrats by nature are for expanded and bloated government. The government tends to mismanage funds in all areas not just the Pentagon. Look at the billions wasted on Medicare and Medicaid for example. These three just want to see our government burn up our money in other ways.
Democrats who are infamous for believing in bloated government are now going to lecture us on cutting government spending.😂😂😂😂
There are so many areas where we could cut outside of the Pentagon. Since when has government ever been efficient with the use of your money?
Of course Cenk wants to weaken the US military as the lunatic is basically a Hamas supporter.
As a general rule you should avoid using "this guy", when there are two guys discussing things.
EDIT. Especially when it on inspection turns out, that you actually meant the interviewer, and not one of the two guests.
Yes Cenk!! 2 very different groups of progressives! I’m in the camp of Bernie-economic progressive! The corporate do-nothing Democrats and the crazies who can’t find one common sense thing to agree on scare me!
Good job Cenk! You mean well! Destiny is more of the same but he means well too just not for me
Human rights aren't common sense? Is common sense an agreement on which marginalized groups the majority can suppress? Human rights are not negotiable.
@ there you go! I’m for gay rights but I’m not for men in women’s sports no matter your surgeries! If we agree special Olympics should exist then why isn’t it common sense that two special categories should exist for those altered to be female presenting or male presenting? It’s crazy batshit positions like these that had solid democrats voting for that hateful man! Paying for surgery to change your sex is elective just like me opting for a boob or bbl or tummy tuck etc. Looking at a male presenting person with full on beard and a deep voice and telling me his pronouns are she and her and asking me to call her Isabella is a mess and would have required a psych evaluation just a few years ago! I’m for protecting the Palestinians but I know it’s complicated and pushing my one candidate to alienate Jews during the election when the alternative is effing Trump is stupid! I personally am sick of the far left social bullshit that is making all progressives seem crazy! I am for protecting human rights but we need to solve our immigration problem! Red States are poor and uneducated but big cities are unsafe! We are paying a fortune to Ukraine and Israel but student loans, healthcare still not solved! The legal immigrants on temporary status from Venezuela, Cuba, Ukraine, Haiti deserves our help but they get free healthcare and food stamps yet most of us don’t have access to these programs! I’m saying we don’t have to compromise on humanity by being stupid ! Outside of your righteous bubble, most people are where I’m at! At some point Dems are gonna have to call bullshit on some wedge issues while delivering true tangibles for everyone! Dirt poor and super rich are the winners albeit skewed. The near poor and middle are about to pop or maybe they did by voting for this lunatic!
@@haydensanford1987 Brainwashed
@@haydensanford1987 and here we go! I’m for human rights and because of that I want women protected from men all facets including sports! I’m not cis -I am a woman! You see Bernie front and center for common sense not foolery! Neither am I here for foolery! It’s always women who get the bad end of foolery!
The fact that they still debate about “wins” instead of stuff that actually helps the nation is evidence enough that politics are just that
Much more enjoyable debate than Piers Morgan. David should do these more often.
David is a calm moderator.
looking at these comments show me why the Democrats lost. Y’all won’t even acknowledge the fact that she wasn’t a good candidate 🤣🤣.Like her supporters never acknowledge the fact that she avoided the press for the first 45 days of her Campaign.
Not so. Democrats across the board criticize Harris. We are not the Republican party where "Dear Leader" never does anything wrong. Trump barely won the election, and did so with one of the smallest margins in history (1.5%). It did not help that there were two spoilers in the race who together received 1%. That said, Harris was the best available candidate considering the circumstances. With Biden dropping out late nobody else would have been able to pull a campaign together, period. Biden put the party in a massive bind by running for re-election at his age, and with his favorability rating in the tank on the economy. Americans consistently boot the party in the WH out when the economy is perceived as bad for most Americans. The economy was the number one issue in the election. Harris could not throw Biden under the bus, and she needed to do so. She did best when she was lashing out at corporate greed which was the primary cause of food price inflation. She did not hit the ground running with interviews and went for big splashy rallies that did not gain her any votes, true. Who the hell cares about performers at a rally/concert? I turned most of them off. Then she veered right to pick off never-Trumper Republicans and hang out with Liz Cheney, and lost the base. Trump slightly improved his previous performance. and a large portion of Democratic voters did not show up, and swing voters moved to Trump. Why? Because he had been pounding on the economy and immigration from the beginning. The election was still close, but Harris had both issues hanging around her neck. She could have done many things better, but 230,000 votes in the Midwest swing states would have changed the outcome. The House is just a few votes shy of the Democrats winning control.
I agree with Cenk. Destiny seems a bit out of touch with how the media actually controls the narrative.
Destiny doesnt even want a hypothetical win. Dems get rid of him, or atleast disown him
5:00 The only country in which the incumbent party did not lose its election this year was Mexico. MORENA maintained its majority in both houses of the legislature and the presidency.
Yes but Morena is a fairly NEW party. Mexico was ruled for decades by the same party prior to 2000. Then new parties broke through. Morena is literally a party that began existing like half a decade ago; they are still seen as "not the establishment". Progressives making this point don't understand Mexican history when making this point; I am willing to bet that they don't even know that a President can't run for reelection immediately after winning their first presidential election (it is similar to our term limits but ends after 1 term).
the Labour party in England only won 35% of the votes. They just benefited from the Tory party splitting votes with the farther-right party, leading to big wins for Labour.
Remember when a bunch of politicians got murdered by the cartel during her first campaign? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
@@carson2725you sure love to talk about shit you don't know anything about
Destiny of the democrat establishment's version Ben Shapiro. Faux intellectual.
and both pro israel
I don't know about Destiny, but Shapiro graduated Harvard Law. That's a big accomplishment for a faux intellectual.
@@cedricwilford let's see him debate Mehdi Hasan and see who the superior intellectual is. He'll never do it. Too much of a p$$y
When it comes to Shapiro it's easy to find info that debunks him. What I've noticed when people criticize destiny, is they point to the most superficial shit. There's literally a comment above yours pointing to how his mouth moves when he talks. You'd think someone would have a criticism of what he says rather than who he is, as a person. When it comes to the arguments there's nothing. If arguments were substantiated by how he looks, mannerisms, or who he sleeps with, then he'd be cooked.
@@anthonyl9126 I'd criticise him by saying Andrew Wilson and Metokur annihilated him. They're text book examples of pointing out his petulant behaviour
Cenk sounded a lot better than Destiny in this debate
I don't think the fractured left is going to be able to mend itself in 4 years.
you're overreacting lol, people thought the Dems were done after 1988, 3 straight blowout wins for Republicans.
ppl thought the Republican party was done after Obama whopped them, then the Dems lost the midterms in 2010 which created the Tea Party and Trump upset Hillary in 2016.
voters are dumb and vote against incumbents. dont be suprised if Dems win the '26 midterms and the '28 presidential election
Her mocking Jesus and bringing in mostly black Diddy type celebrities didn’t help as well.
Just rename party to diddycrats
While the Republicans effectively voted for Diddy
So in short you make no sense
She didn't mock Jesus, that clip was spliced together using two different clips.
Diddy type celebrities? That was a stupid statement.
Cope and Seeth liberals... cope and seeth 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I honestly don't think the American people know what they really voted for.
Neither of them ever concede points. That's what we're missing in modern debating. It's clear that they actually agree with each other on certain issues, but neither are willing to admit it because they feel like it weakens their position. That's bad debating form and certainly contrary to their stated goal of changing people's minds.
Who's supposed to concede what?
What do they agree on? Besides the obvious-not liking Trump, etc., what else do they agree on in terms of the functioning of the Democratic Party?
Why would they concede points when both feel that they are correct? There was no moment here where one was swayed to the other side.
I think Destiny is correct and the facts on the ground support his positions on this. The idea that progressives are sooo popular but they're never able to win any elections anywhere is so asinine.
Unfortunately that's the problem with the left side of politics at the moment, the Trump cult is strong because they are unified behind one idiot.
Lefties cant agree to vote for the same candidate, the far left hates the moderate left even though they should be trying to convince them and the moderate left refuse to dive into the far left craziness.
@@jacktalks5008 If you listen to the interview, you'll see that they have a great deal of overlap in their ideas, but because they're approaching this as a debate instead of a discussion, they won't even acknowledge it. They both agree that the Left has better solutions than the Right, that Republicans controlling everything is a disaster, and that money in politics is a massive problem (among many other things).
Cenk and Ana have made a hard turn to centrism this year. I have unfollowed and unsubscribed, and I recommend all other progressives to do the same.
I assume you're just posting that everywhere and didn't actually watch the video
Yea, will be interesting to see how it goes for them.
26:20 the most insane statement ive ever heard from destiny. Hate neolibs so much omg
I want you to remember one thing: no matter how much you think you hate neoliberals, you don’t hate them enough.
Populism has undeniably has historically always ended horribly, its a cold take.
@@Tauren110laughes in fdr
How does Cenk explain how bad he lost his own election?
Cuckstiny and fudge packman are lame. Cenk kicks ass one of the more cooler liberals
Cenk is turning MAGA.
Super Sayian MAGA Cenk!
@kidgruesome407 idk if he's Maga but he's cool and smart always respected him even if I disagree with alot of his stances
Destiny can't even manage his own household. He has nothing of value to add to more complex discussions.
Destiny has a constant frozen expression of “I’m smelling my own farts but I don’t want anybody to know” on his face
when he talks he looks like a goat chewing hey.
The only reason Cenk calls Pete corporate robot is because he's able to communicate his message better than Cenk.
The discussion assumes we live in a post misogynist/racist America and does not consider that gender or race may have played a role in Harris's loss.
Because they didnt
They were minor factors to people who would not vote for a Democrat in this election.
Destiny reminds me of Charles Manson.
Id love to hear how?
Manson was smarter and had a more pleasant personality.
Cenk is right
At least Cenk has some common sense.
As a 25 year old former democrat and anti-woke progressive Destiny represents the abysmal failure side of the Democratic Party. We need economic progressives, who are able to say no to bad liberal social policy such as gender transition for minors and teaching people racism in schools.
MSNBC and CNN are LIbtard Mind Control for Karens.
It is hard not to teach about racism in schools. Our history is full of it. We can also add hatred of immigrants.
I think Cenk is generally an insane individual, but on this issue he's unfortunately correct. It was the gender and other identity stuff that probably tipped it, a lot of Latin people don't appreciate being dragged into it and being called Latinx for example. But regardless, none of this is justified nor does it justify Cenk's recent turncoat behaviour. Rare Cenk win, but then again, his opponent is Destiny.
"a lot of Latin people don't appreciate being dragged into it and being called Latinx for example"
Funny part is the side that was constantly talking about the identity stuff...was the reps lol
@@RandomDudeDrawz Yeah absolutely I agree, and they scared a lot of hateful morons away from voting Democrat. Again, like I said, just because Cenk's making this point, doesn't mean that any of what happened during the election was ok.
@@RandomDudeDrawz Exactly.
In all the survey, polls, and focus groups done during and after the election, "WOKE" barely made the list. Republicans are the ones who keep bringing it up because it is a right-wing propaganda meme.
They did a great job elaborating on the divisive culture of the left. I voted red for my first time this election I probably won’t go back , because I don’t see this changing.
As if the right isn't massively divisive. Hahaha
I'm a Conservative from the U.K but I think I agree with Cenk here as to the way your party needs to go to rally your traditional voters.
Destiny sums up exactly the kind of people who would say - "Why are you homeless? Just buy a home!" 😅
Your Destiny is to lose, period. That guy made a fool of himself. David, just interview Cenk next time.
Ah delusional Desriny, King of Dunning-Kruger, Wikipedia warrior, and body stunt double of ET - he cant stop losing 😂.
As a Republican, I find this RUclips video hilarious 🤣 🥃🔥
Replace republican with child and read again.
@ Tough 🤣
Don't worry, I'm sure they would also find you hilarious.
@@BenThere77 The United States saw an 18.1% increase in homelessness this year, a dramatic rise driven mostly by a lack of affordable housing as well as devastating natural disasters and a surge of migrants in several parts of the country, federal officials said Friday.
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development said federally required tallies taken across the country in January found that more than 770,000 people were counted as homeless - a number that misses some people and does not include those staying with friends or family because they do not have a place of their own.
@@zcorpalpha2462 That was a pretty random response. I'm just assuming you are a Republican who thinks Trump is actually going to be able to fix anything. If so, the joke is on you. He's already making excuses about bringing down prices, and that was THE reason he won by that 1.5% margin. Remember, he'll bring grocery prices down and "it will happen fast!".