Destiny reacts to crazy debates & getting attacked by the left
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- -- Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II, Cuban-American political streamer, debater, and commentator, joins David to discuss his recent direct confrontations of right wing extremists, and his latest in-person political activism
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The bridge is intact boys.
do wokeists hate destiny like him or are impartial? I am a right-moderate troll that loves trans kids but destiny is pretty smart IMO
@@TransKidsMafia May I ask what's up with your brain?
@@cbussey4676 r u able to answer the question or are you waiting for a consensus to attach to?
@@TransKidsMafia your string of words barely has any relationship to reality.. i dont even know where to start
@@cbussey4676 👌🏼👌🏼 u shall get many likes from fellow illiterate fks. My newborn is trans.
I used to be extremely far-right racist/sexist/pdfile militia member in the deep woods of Kentucky but Destiny de-radicalized me. He is doing great work here in the world. He should be president one day if he deletes Twitter
He's too emotionally volatile to be a politician tbh, I'd see him in a cabinet/support role more than anything
That Mark Lamont Hill debate was a really good one, I watch Lamont’s channel, he does a great job in his discussions.
he deradicalized me too. January 2021 going thru his debates at the time; some of which were with people I thought were smart like Lauren Southern and Fuentes and he just so clearly and absolutely wiped the floor with them and poked all sorts of holes in my ideology that I had never thought of before as a 19 year old upper middle class white kid sheltered in the suburbs. I was stuck in an echo chamber IRL but destiny destroyed my entire worldview and I realized how wrong I was about almost everything
Wow brother you’ve been on a political journey. He needs to convince me then why I shouldn’t be a communist
@@AgentMullet Nick Fuentes is a loon.
Mr. Pakman, we demand more and longer collaborations between you and Mr. Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II. Would love to see you guys do a Podcast-style format, maybe like once a month or so.
I read Destiny's name in that classic DPak over pronunciation. Great job. Also Def agree with your idea. It would be a cool temp check for both audiences.
would love this
You forgot to put "former Goransson" in there for good mesure.
I agree. Both can have their wives get railed by other men
Once destiny realises Pakman is an obvious CIA plant he won't come back
"Not thousands, two thousand!" - a flustered Glenn Greenwald reaches after getting embarrassed by Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II
I wonder if debate bros want a job on Fox News or tyt full time in the future as I began to toss popcorn at them as propaganda bullies now. 🫤
That was hilarious - like Glenn bro do you know what the plural of “thousand” means? I was roflmaooo
@jacobosborn8584 and regardless, it's such a trivial pointless thing.
Even 1000 people in a single building with a goal of overthrowing an election and committing violence is absolutely terrifying
honestly its very revealing to the state of right wing pundits when you have one of their most prominent ones actually saying, unironically "not thousands, two thousand!" LOL
Not the son of Steven Bonnell, it's Steven Bonnell II
Steven Kenneth “Destiny” Bonnel II is at least one of the top 10 most renowned Cuban American gaming/political streamers out there.
He's easily top 5 in the world for people who are Cuban-American, gaming/political streaming, 35 yr old, youtuber with a nickname that's the same as a video game franchise.
He really stands out amongst his peers
That’s a girls name
@@piratees yea if the girl was AWESOME, you mean
Love the necessary qualifiers. Also, pseudo-intellectual hack.
@jeffanderson1708 you can call him annoying and you can say you don't like his speaking pace or voice (similar critiques to cringey ben shapiro) but destiny is obv a smart dude and he's well read. Calling him a hack or a fake intellectual only makes you seem like you've never had a critical thought in your life
Wow can't believe you guys got into a fist fight live. What a sight to see.
Huhhhhh?????
@@3TNT3 at 31:50
@usucdik it doesn't go to the timestamp you're referencing?
@@ryderoreilly9807 Huh, thats weird. Have you tried pressing Alt+F4? Might do the trick.
@@toddy914 what is this, a counterstrike lobby in the year 2001?
Pak and Steven.. we need more of it!!!!!
That abbreviation is a bit dodgy next to a Chelsea badge 😂
I think David should stay away from Destiny-an admitted consumer of drawn CP.
I wonder if Hasan would join them for a discussion next time .. LOL
@@mofishin2648he’s too busy asking terrorists what anime they like. Hard hitting journalism you know?
@@ItsSawyer8 He also does canvassing.. In his gated community and at the AVN awards .. lol
Honestly, these two deserve each other.
It's incredible that we live in a world where somebody (you) says something of no substance and it still results in "likes."
Thank you! Please keep it up! Would be great if you both have regular conversations throughout the year leading up to the election.
Always love to see David and Destiny together. 😄
My favorite was when discussing Rittenhouse, he asked if he was autistic. ❤
@@duffman247 😭😭😭
Packman fears Destiny. Destiny likes Packman although he could destroy him. Packman is funny.
Thanks for that wonderful interview David. It is imperative to highlight the organization of the canvassing events to the general public because it is certainly the most important thing right now. The first canvassing was a real success and we need to encourage the positive momentum that it creates.
Great discussion, thanks for having Destiny on, David!
Destiny wanted BLM protesters mowed down by a vehicle. And he has defended vaush’s loli collection. So
Destiny makes 1 GREAT point. If you claim to be centrist or on the left, yet you see both sides as somehow equally bad....you are NOT a centrist or on the left. The Overton window has shifted too far.
either that or you have shit political parties.
I agree. The "both parties are bad" line shows the ignorance of the people who say this. Has the left tried to overthrow an election? No. Have the left tried to persecute anyone ever their political party affiliation? No. The courts are holding trump accountable for crimes he committed in their district. If Democrats did that many crimes, we would want to see them being held accountable for their crimes.
yup, it's because there are only two parties in the US@@tacocanada1888
TYT, cenk and Anna have entered the chat
Seeing both sides doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with both sides. Also if you understand where an opposing side is coming from honestly, not just assume, then you stand a better chance of guiding them towards a more reasonable stance.
Always love seeing these two together
awesome stuff Dave & Steven!
Really enjoy both of these guys.
What a very interesting interview, would love to see them on your channel more
I enjoyed this conversation, thank you 😊
this is awesome david.
Good conversation. Glad you guys are still talking.
Keep up the good work, David. Your interviews are important, meaningful, and illuminating! They clarify and don't obfuscate.
Wonderful conversation
Wonderful interview
Nice. Liberal Cuban Americans are a rare find in US. Destiny brings me hope for them, like he's planting mustard seeds.
He's not really liberal
I wonder why a lot of Cuban Americans aren't liberal... What could it possibly be...? 🤔😅
Let's keep shifting the goal posts. Liberal is center left. He's definitely not middle. Compare what being a right winger in this country meant in the Bush era to now. If we're going off of current definitions, there's no world in which Destiny leans right. He's less useful to the progressive project than most (probably why he and Pakman are such bros) but he's still a net positive @@AtomicMushroomz
What is he then??
@@AtomicMushroomz
@@SmilingIslandRetreat-pn4dd He's not really liberal tho.
When Destiny distinguishes between the dangers between the far left and the far right he is absolutely 100% correct. They’re both problematic in their own right but the actual harm felt by the far right is much more existential. I’ve been waiting for Steven Kenneth “Destiny” Bonnell the Second to make this distinction for quite some time. Great conversation, as long as Destiny doesn’t fly off the handle shot out of a canon I encourage more collaboration amongst you two.
Yeah, all that far right legislation being passed, ohh and all the social control they have....😅.
Can we get the Packman to join one of those canvassing event that are going to come up later this year.
I think that would be so cool to see and David would also be a great person to get more "online" people involved int oactual on the ground work for the upcoming election :)
I hope David will encourage his massive number of followers to help in Destiny's canvassing efforts. With so many followers, combined with Destiny's huge following, we could all join up to make a real difference. It would help so many people feel that they're doing more than donating, or just watching RUclips. To get his followers more involved and feeling more empowered would surely bring David a lot of satisfaction, and his followers as well. I dearly hope you make this happen.
I love when you guys collaborate! Big fan of you both!
An interview with a Woman is always nice to see!
?????? 🤔
@@carolinematusevich889 its an inside joke because Destiny is a womans name
@@carolinematusevich889It's a reference to Destiny's interview with Jessie Lee Peterson. Near the beginning, Peterson says "Destiny. That's a girl's name." It's been a running joke in Destiny's community ever since.
@@nrein89wow it wasn't even transphobic until JLP made it so
I'm glad black women like Destiny are getting represented on the Dpac show.
????? 🤔
Diversity is our strength!
@@carolinematusevich889 this is the standard joke from those who listen to Destiny/
@@unusual686well it's stale dumb and not remotely funny.
lol.
Really happy to see these two together
Huge fans of both! Keep it up!
good to hear from Stephanus Bonnellii Africanus II
Stephanus Bonnellii Africanus II
:D
Whose that? All I see is Destiny the Girl
Holy moly, MAGA at the limit of their intellect.
@@JR-pr8jb just giving a shoutout to our Afro-Greco-Roman-Cuban Queen. Hope DPak collabs more this year
@@BizarreIoveTriangle Yass Qween! 😍
Please do a weekly discussion or full-fledged podcast together! We need more of these measured, reasonable discussions on the left. Seriously.
So, is Destiny the new Sam Harris?
Always love seeing collaboration between Mr. Steven Kenneth "Destiny" Bonnell II. and Mr. David DPak the Pak Pakman.
We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.
David, sir, I always enjoy your chats with Miss Destiny. 🇨🇺 🇦🇷
Great first segment on How To Manage Debates.
Great vid
Interesting & enjoyable interview!
This is great
destriny pulled me out of the right wing pipeline i was headed down from covid. his rittenhouse takes were what got me starting to watch him and went from there. so thanks kyle, i guess
These debates are a good thing! I enjoy watching them as it is the best way to get the opposing viewpoint. Far too many political commenters want to explain the other side. They almost always miss the mark at least a little bit. The debates usually get people to explain and defend their own position. Something far more valuable to someone looking to understand both sides of the argument.
My favorite lgbt afro-cuban streamer!
That intro is always classic from David
Having never been the biggest fan of destiny this interview has made me understand him on a much deeper level. Thanks
I like that Destiny debates others and wants to engage on ideas.
It is undeniable that Destiny is bringing fact based arguments to conspiracy-brained or radical groups and managing to bring them to a more rational level
He doesn't though
What a skilled debater...
...He convinced me, i now hold every position that this Steven guy does
Always enjoy you guys' interactions
Goddam I love both of you. Love seeing you guys on each others' platforms. Even if Destiny IS a girl's name.
Love both these guys. Much insight as to their approach to debates and hope,they continue their participation. We need these voices out there.
All I see is David talking to a strong independent black woman
Dialogue is different then debates. You have to in a dialogue accept as a hypothetical who you are dialoging. It is in accepting the deconstructed hypothetical that all participants have the possibility of new discoveries that could fine tune both sides understanding of what the issues are.
Wow this was sooo good, great conversation all around great interview David...👍
Love this
Open-mindedness is important, and no one can change my mind about that.
LOL 😂
Research streams are my favourite YT content
To be honest wealthy Chinese people have been speculating on housing in Canada and it has become a problem. IDK how big of an issue it is in the us though
A debate about debates. Just what we need.
This came off as a debate to you? They didn't actually disagree on anything.
Time to debate whether we really need a debate about debates.
I'd like to debate you on whether or not this was a debate. I don't think it was.
Debate perverts…
@@Boroburand-py7eu debate
Finally some representation having a well spoken black woman on the program. Great stuff David!
I heard this statement like 3 times. Could you please break down what you mean by this. This is an actual question. I don't understand the humor or context? Is it because the name and the connotation that Destiny is a black woman's name? I guess that is what makes me confused. There are many women of different races who have the name Destiny. Are you unaware of that?
So that's what's confusing. Is this supposed to be funny? It sounds very Moynahan report.
Thanks for bringing on a new female voice to debate always refreshing
Love these guys
The tragedy of young voters is not their ideology but their failure to bother to vote at all. They fail their fundamental responsibilities as citizens.
Nice to see Pakman trying to meet his female guest quota.
Sir, this was a great conversation!
Thanks for this thoughtful video.
Very interest show David
I have a lot of conservative family members. My husband is a conservative. From what I personally see they aren’t attacking police they are attacking the FBI and DOJ. But that’s just my personal experience. Also I agree with Destiny about the vaccine issue. It used to be the vegan liberal types that were anti vax.
I think he agrees with both of those points. I think he just didn't flesh it out properly when he said it.
@@morphkogan8627 No I get that. I also think the Uvalde shooting he was eluding to wasn’t totally fair. The disgust people had over the cowardice that occurred wasn’t political.
The FBI is a national police and law enforcement agency. Historically it's always been extremely right-wing, and strongly supported by them.
The issue is that supporting FBI and the DOJ under your guy as they investigate your enemies isnt a true value when you flip the moment they investigate you.
You ignored the police in DC.
Almost everyone has a political ideology. Very few think of the effect or results of their ideology applied in reality.
I feel sorry for the first two people to step up against a DPak/Destiny duo debate. Make it happen!
My two favorites :D
How did I miss this content?
Never appreciated the .75x playback speed function on RUclips until today.
Except David sounds drunk at.75 and Destiny sounds normal.😂🤣
Love seeing David and Destiny together!
Ive always respected Destiny and David very much. There are too many leftists that are left on literally every issue and it's just infuriating because i think they feel they need to be part of a box or identity doing this and therefore prevents them from thinking critically.
yep, that is the nature of ideological thinking. There is always going to be a blockage of critical thinking at some point...
I honestly don’t understand how any sane adult could be right or left on every issue. It doesn’t compute to me
@@brianmeen2158 Which issues are there good faith reasons to tilt right on? Because there are degrees of "how left" you are on an issue.
Idk, I think if your general attitude is to move toward social equality, you're going to land on similar policies as the other people who lean toward social equality. It doesn't make a lot of sense to, say, promote respect for LGBT people but then promote cruelty toward immigrants.
@@vicwaters87is that a genuine question? Do you really think there is no issue in which a more conservative perspective has any merit?
I am trying to facilitate here. Long term projects
say what you will but as a young person destiny’s “gamergate” era is was really appealing to me and deradicalized me from the right and introduced me to sam seder and david pakman
Holy cow the dude talks fast. I had to check my playback speed.
Really interesting talk but I’m a little confused. Destiney is all for building more houses but why is he against rent control or affordable housing for homeless? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but I’d like other perspectives let me know in the comments
Iirc hes against rent control because its disincentivices the building of new houses making the main problem of too many people wanting to live in an area worse. And I haven't heard him talk about affordable housing outside of this video but I'm guessing its just the normal argument about supply and demand. If the supply is lacking building substandard (affordable) housing wont actually decrease the sale price as the supply and demand stays the same.
Because the primary issue is lack of supply due to shit Zoning laws and NIMBYism. Rent control probably causes more problems then it solves, and it certainly doesn't fix the route cause, which is lack of supply. Rent control is a problematic artificial lowering of prices. WE NEED MORE HOUSING. That simple
@@morphkogan8627 but then if it’s not affordable how are homeless supposed to be able to live there. Is it free? I’m not coming from a bad faith angle I promise promise promise I like having these conversations cause I want to learn more ☺️
@@daviddavidson6278 gonna ask the same question cause i wanna know if your answer is the same. but then if it’s not affordable how are homeless supposed to be able to live there. Is it free? I’m not coming from a bad faith angle I promise promise promise I like having these conversations cause I want to learn more ☺️
Thank you both for your perspectives in advance whenever you write them I know internet can be a place with awful people but I thank you for educating me further 😊
David very good at asking questions
This man has put things in such incredible perspective for me in such a relatively short time. It's a blessing he debates and regularly engages with people and ideas that are against his own, especially as a former hard-line conservative. Go Steven!!
My introduction to Destiny was through the subreddit so I came into this video expecting him to sound much more conservative and aggressive against progressive policy. His reddit fans definitely do not do him favors.
His subreddit tried to brigade and ratio one of my tweets showcasing hateful things Destiny has said and they lost lol
I have only recently given some of Destiny's content a try. Even coming directly from his channel, I was surprised how reasonable and sensible he sounded here. Idk, I guess he earned some more chances, but I'm not convinced this is a true representation. Maybe cuz this is about sharing audience he was trying to be more appealing? 🤷♂️
@@GP-qz6kk how he is here is the same as he is in the ben shapiro debate and his interview with Lex Fridman. I think he just behaves professionally in more structured settings like this, but when hes livestreaming hes unashamedly himself and has no filter/doesnt care to be professional
Destiny’s subreddit is actually more representative of his usual attitude than you think. He knows Pakman is a neolib so he’s on his ‘podcast/treating conservatives with kiddie gloves’ level of aggression here, but the moment he goes back to his own stream or catches a scent of ‘Medicare for All’ or ‘Let’s not genocide Palestinians’ Destiny will fly off his rocker and start screeching his usual routine where he cries about ‘DiPsHiT LefTiES’ 🤣
Is this a little Hasan/Vaush cope party? Look at all these claims with not a single fact backing them up. Tsk tsk.
Makes sense given your ideologue models. Don't worry, I'll back my claim up. Destiny's model: 1. "Don't memorize my takes, learn the process I took to arrive at them."
2. "Never ever read just the headline, 80% don't and the titles follow the RUclips title click-🎣"
3. "Most people who claim they've 'studied up on a subject' that conversation has left you dubious about their knowledge have only watched a youtube video or heard about the subject on a podcast (And think they learned more than they actually did)."
Your turn. Each provide supporting facts.
For some reason I assumed “Destiny” was another one of George Santos’ aliases.
Softball questions are not helping tbh lmao
My two favorite people together finally at once
This is an awesome interview. Thank you, David Pakman, for bringing Destiny on as a guest speaker. Great questions and great answers.
Really good conversation. Even better than the last one.
Good convo
This is by far some of your most interesting content, where are the 2+ hour long talks with you too? Please do more content together please
Great Interview! Destiny Rules!
I feel like its been a while since David has had a woman on the show. Good interview!
Since I'm still on Twitter, I get a lot of really bad takes from Destiny in my "For You" feed.
That's how much I know about the guy and I wanna keep it that way
who asked
dpack and destiny probably overlap on 95% of their positions so I dont know what you're doing on this channel, you're either a rightoid or crazy tankie.
Steven Bonnell Destiny XIV was on FIRE in his discussion with Ian Crossland (I kind of don't want to call it a debate given Ian's background and demeanor).
I haven't agreed with anyone, hitting on more cylinders at once, than with this based young man.
Destiny is more central than left leaning. I personally feel he has bad faith debates to bring everything back to his primary position.
I'm a conservative and I agree with many of destiny's points.
Although an issue that many libertarian right-of-center people win every time is the Ukraine war.
Love Destiny. Don’t agree w him on everything but I LOVE his politics and his perspective. He’s extremely solid. And he’s willing to debate honestly. That’s vital
He’s a POS, look up when he wanted BLM protesters mowed down with a vehicle. Or when he defended vaush’s cp collection
I had/have no idea who this young guy is, but darned interesting. Also, some remarkably astute questions from Pakman.
Destiny a real one. An actual OG in the political streaming community and one of the more rational and reasonable folks on most issues.
American center is already right on a geopolitics scale. Perspective matters. Your content is on a global platform 🤷♂️
Wait until you learn about Middle Eastern politics bahaha
@@rmac3217 destiny is middle eastern? I thought he was American
@@gattearthrid You are the one talking about global politics and how America is right wing on that scale... So where do you put Sharia law following nations with an active monarchy in power, with the most social welfare like Saudi Arabia?
@@rmac3217 in the same nutty bread basket with the maga folk. Religious authoritarians are typically considered far right.
another one from "Bernie would actually be center right in Europe" crowd. The year 2016 called, it wants its shitty political takes back
I had to check my playback speed. This guy sounds like he is talking at 1.5 speed. 😂
I, being a streaming ignorant salty old lady was very surprised Destiny is 35. I honestly imagined him at 30 max. Somehow a 35 y/o seems more relatable and I might actually seek out their content. 😅✌️
He looks 45 tbh