Sam Harris and Cenk Uygur Clear the Air on Religious Violence and Islam

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

Комментарии • 45 тыс.

  • @vpr3i
    @vpr3i 7 лет назад +5711

    I'm more intrigued by Sam's patience than his intelligence.

    • @shanilemeow2942
      @shanilemeow2942 7 лет назад +182

      vpr3i Medititation for many years.

    • @justinclark216
      @justinclark216 7 лет назад +199

      His patience is on another level. I admire it.

    • @diegocervantes7946
      @diegocervantes7946 7 лет назад +50

      those 2 go hand in hand, you cant separate.

    • @comanchio1976
      @comanchio1976 7 лет назад +104

      +deflair lais Not necessarily. Some brilliant people can have a volatile nature. Which can be quite entertaining. I find Sam's approach/character more admirable, though.

    • @diegocervantes7946
      @diegocervantes7946 7 лет назад +38

      +comanchio1976 no doubt. I just said that because Chunk doesn't have patience for shit when he hears something he disagrees with, then goes on with a very UN-intelligent response and sometimes rant that doesn't make any sort of sense. I dont totally agree with sam but i am more influenced to listen and ponder someones thoughts when they aren't screaming "OF COOUURRSSSE!" "JUST LOOK IT UP"

  • @OzymandiasRamsesII
    @OzymandiasRamsesII 10 лет назад +1448

    Cenk Uygur is maddeningly obtuse in this interview, seemingly determined to misunderstand well-explained distinctions and showing a disregard for the accurate representation of his guest's views.

    • @gavrielkostonov1234
      @gavrielkostonov1234 10 лет назад +76

      I lost the very little respect I had for Cenk Uygur long ago. For all the self-righteous pomp he gives off when speaking on human rights, he has taken the position that the Armenian Genocide never happened. A self proclaimed Liberal that takes the same position as the current Turkish regime is most suspect.

    • @TheMuskokaman
      @TheMuskokaman 10 лет назад +5

      This is what happens when you play football or pro boxing. ;-)

    • @rationalagenda7083
      @rationalagenda7083 10 лет назад +64

      from what I understand, Harris isnt expecting everyone to agree with his ideas on Islam, but what he does expect is to be able to raise issues for mature intellegent discussion without hysterical reactions. He has a point - very well illustrated by Affleck

    • @NathanielHarari
      @NathanielHarari 10 лет назад +4

      I actually took a couple of notes of things which occurred to me during this discussion, but I haven't written it up yet. I'm not sure if I will, but it made some things very clear to me while watching it.

    • @NathanielHarari
      @NathanielHarari 10 лет назад +1

      ***** Thanks. Not sure it's really worth my time though. Most people here know my opinions already and I'm not certain most want to hear me repeating myself. :)

  • @MeserithSama
    @MeserithSama 7 лет назад +440

    Did Cenk just disagree with probability?

    • @thorondor4012
      @thorondor4012 6 лет назад +49

      Samuel Simms OF COOOOUUURSE he did

    • @fulca4389
      @fulca4389 6 лет назад +14

      Cenk just discovered another branch of probability theory...
      professor “it’s probable that” student: “hmm, based on Cenk theory, we just don’t believe that!”

    • @conneradamek474
      @conneradamek474 6 лет назад +17

      JUST GOOOGLE ITTT!

    • @candycolriv
      @candycolriv 6 лет назад +2

      C Adamek 😂😂

    • @dewilew2137
      @dewilew2137 6 лет назад +15

      He really did. I understand what he was trying to say, but he missed Sam’s point entirely. It seems like he just disagrees with everything for the sake of it.

  • @croczOTK
    @croczOTK 3 месяца назад +281

    Who’s watching this in 2024

    • @Oceankage
      @Oceankage 2 месяца назад

      Sam looks like an idiot

    • @loveurlife4ever1
      @loveurlife4ever1 2 месяца назад +5

      Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on RUclips ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

    • @madmomma112
      @madmomma112 2 месяца назад +4

      This definitely aged well

    • @wilbertwallace6655
      @wilbertwallace6655 2 месяца назад +2

      Holy shit, I didn’t even notice this is 9 years old. Dudes look the same.

    • @wilbertwallace6655
      @wilbertwallace6655 2 месяца назад +1

      I like how the show is just called “interviews”.

  • @nicosmind3
    @nicosmind3 6 лет назад +625

    I tried uploading this to Pornhub, but apparently rape is not allowed by their terms of service.
    When i was a christian my church didnt even hand out or teach from the old testament. It was new testament only.
    And being born and raised in Northern Ireland i can tell you, with 100% confidence that its not about religion. Its about sovereignty. There are catholics and protestants on both sides. As well as atheists and other religions. The IRA which now is mostly catholic was started by protestant farmers. Not catholics. No one ive ever known, and ive known a lot of enlisted terrorists on both sides, have ever stated anything about faith or brought it up. They only talk about sovereignty. For 37 years sounded by this shit, and im not cherry picking. And yes there are religious people on both sides, some very religious. Never once heard any of them talk about religion in the context of Northern Ireland.

  • @politicalpulseshow
    @politicalpulseshow 7 лет назад +346

    The Better question you guys are missing here is, "How did Sam manage to keep his leg in that position for 3 hours straight?"

    • @naieemali1114
      @naieemali1114 7 лет назад +2

      That's his physical stance that perms into his superiority complex.

    • @cembalina8454
      @cembalina8454 7 лет назад

      Eye on America News Years of meditation??

    • @MrSHIRLEY81
      @MrSHIRLEY81 7 лет назад +1

      and jiu jitsu

    • @omarlives
      @omarlives 7 лет назад +3

      I was noticing the same thing but he switches his legs if you pay even closer attention.

    • @seanbinghamvldable
      @seanbinghamvldable 7 лет назад +3

      Or why nobody ironed the bottom of Cenks pants. He looks like a child dressed him. lol Am I the only one driven nuts by that???

  • @DustinMDEtmanski
    @DustinMDEtmanski 8 лет назад +2985

    Am I supposed to like for Sam Harris or Dislike for Cenk ?

    • @MrSmertnick
      @MrSmertnick 8 лет назад +74

      My thoughts exactly!

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan 8 лет назад +46

      Not a conundrum at all.
      The liking system in RUclips is flawed when it comes to these types of videos because in this situation Cenk gets benefit when you like the video for Sam Harris or for Cenk.
      If you liked the whole discussion then I suppose you should like simply because Cenk's organisation made this particular discussion possible and comment here why you disagree with him.

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan 8 лет назад +3

      Yes, it's highly likely he probably will never read most comments here because there's too many. What is it you are trying to convey?

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan 8 лет назад +5

      I don't think he was a complete failure.
      If enough people see your view some will upvote it.

    • @chibhatt24
      @chibhatt24 8 лет назад +5

      Yes.

  • @moviesfan5513
    @moviesfan5513 9 месяцев назад +108

    Sam has patience of the saint.

    • @sunnyday7102
      @sunnyday7102 5 месяцев назад +1

      What do you mean?! He’s a xenophobe and has zero understanding about Islam?

    • @Mor928
      @Mor928 4 месяца назад +4

      Sam is intrinsically graceful with tireless tolerance.

    • @kieran5302
      @kieran5302 4 месяца назад

      ​@@sunnyday7102if that's what you think, you must have a room temperature IQ.

    • @mohammadtajabadi
      @mohammadtajabadi 4 месяца назад +4

      @@sunnyday7102 He's not a xenophobe! And he understands the dangers of Islam very well!

    • @user-tc5hl4wd6s
      @user-tc5hl4wd6s 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@sunnyday7102I found the indoctrinated one 😅

  • @libertyordeath1211
    @libertyordeath1211 7 лет назад +3168

    I just hope RUclips doesn't fill my feed with TYT videos cuz I watched this one video.

    • @12FU
      @12FU 7 лет назад +43

      that would suck!

    • @GameWorks12
      @GameWorks12 7 лет назад +16

      Caleb Barker they always do that shiy

    • @jcbynum007
      @jcbynum007 7 лет назад +25

      1) If you sub TYT, you'll see their videos in your feed, 2) If you respond with "Like" or "Dislike" their videos will be in your feed, 3) CLEAR your History playlist often. A lot of the Feed and Recommendations are influenced by your History playlist. :)

    • @blazedandconfused477
      @blazedandconfused477 7 лет назад +11

      You can just hover over recommended videos, click on the little three dot menu and select ''not interested''.

    • @libertyordeath1211
      @libertyordeath1211 7 лет назад +7

      I appreciate all of your concern. Thanks for the tips

  • @13CaptainPrice
    @13CaptainPrice 6 лет назад +223

    It was inevitable, but this was the day The Young Turks died

    • @ilcrawfo
      @ilcrawfo 6 лет назад +2

      Completely agree.

    • @danieldevito6380
      @danieldevito6380 6 лет назад +1

      13CaptainPrice Actually, TYT was dead on arrival. How could they have ever expected to be credible when it's just a group of radical, liberal morons, lead by the biggest imbecile they could find?

    • @theylhompst
      @theylhompst 6 лет назад +4

      Then Ben Shapiro stomped on their grave...

    • @cax1175
      @cax1175 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@theylhompst The guy who was too scared to debate someone like Kyle Kulinski lol?

  • @TechGamesAU
    @TechGamesAU 5 лет назад +689

    It was at this moment, five years ago, I unsubscribed from TYT.

    • @valjohnson7112
      @valjohnson7112 4 года назад +14

      same lol. somehow this video came up in my recommended again today so I came back to look at the comments

    • @jonnyboy5357
      @jonnyboy5357 4 года назад +2

      Im just arriving to the party...arrived here from watching trump best roasts videos lol..i seen right away tyt for what they were..scum...cant fkn stand them! Lol

    • @danielmclean3733
      @danielmclean3733 4 года назад +14

      This was the night Dave Rubin quit

    • @DeepSkyDude
      @DeepSkyDude 4 года назад +1

      Same.

    • @vaden706
      @vaden706 4 года назад +4

      Ditto, this was my moment of clarity... since then after seeing their regressive, racist agenda driven show I was appalled that I ever followed their channel. Now I stop by on occasion just to laugh or red pill the comment section

  • @RainbowYak
    @RainbowYak 11 месяцев назад +138

    As a Historian, I do need to make some corrections regarding both Cenk's and Sam's remarks about the Middle Ages. Cenk in particular seems to have been greatly influenced by TV documentaries, which unfortunately depict Europe's Middle Ages as an extremely bleak, barbaric and bruel time. This is largely a modern spin, however, as Sam pointed out. Contrary to Cenk's assertion, Europe DID have libraries; many of them in fact. One of the largest and most famous medieval libraries was that of the monastery of St. Gallen in Switzerland. It still exists today and it can be visited (it's a really beautiful place). Medieval libraries were private but this was equally true for the ones found in the Arab world. Public libraries are a very recent phenomenon in world history. Europeans also founded universities as early as the 12th century. The late Middle Ages in particular were a time of great learning and innovation. To claim that all the Christians back then were fanatics is ludicrous. There was an entire class of clerics who were really pious but ALSO very interested in the natur al sciences, medicine, engineering etc.. Today we call them scholastics. Scholasticism was highly influential in the history of science and philosophy and the Renaissance likely wouldn't have been possible without it. The Middle Ages also weren't as cruel as is often believed today. For example medieval people did NOT burn anyone at the stake. There were no witch hunts. All of these events happened during Early Modern times (16th-18th c.). Even the inquisition didn't really get going until Early Modern times. This is important because something significant happened right at the end of the Middle Ages: the reformation. Contrary to popular belief, it was the Protestants, NOT the Roman Catholic Church, who harbored deeply sexist, anti-semitic and otherwise toxic beliefs. This actually makes sense when you look at what these people preached. All the famous Protestant preachers used the phrase "sola la scriptura". Today we'd call them religious fundamentalists because this is literally what they were. They believed that only the Bible mattered and that it should be interpreted to the letter. The most radical of these religious zealots called themselves Puritans and ended up moving to North America. This is another common misconception about history by the way: the Puritans weren't pushed out of Europe. In fact, most European kingdoms at the time (and the UK in particular) treated them with a great deal of tolerance. The UK under Elizabeth I. even enacted some protections for Jews, so why would they hunt down fellow protestants? In truth, the Puritans WANTED to leave because they couldn't stomach the liberal values in Europe. They moved to North America specifically so they could build their own little theocracy over there, being sure that no one would bother them in their fanaticism. Lastly a word about anti-semitism during the Middle Ages: while anti-semitism doubtlessly existed, Historians generally differentiate between structure and events. It's important to do so because if we don't, we get a very twisted view of the past. For example natural catastrophes were singular events, they weren't structure. Now, in the case of anti-semitism, pogroms did occur but they didn't occur every day or even every year. Let's not forget that we're talking about a time spain of 1,000 years here! Not every person in the Middle Ages was a raging anti-semite; in fact, the overwhelming majority probably wasn't. People in the past weren't different from us today, they had just as much empathy and love as we do. People did have far less information back then of course but nowdays we've got a lot of fake news. In my opinion, religion certainly contributed to anti-semitic pogroms but it wasn't the decisive factor. The decisive factor was the lack of law enforcement. If 200 neonazis today would try to commit a pogrom in Cologne, the city government would immediately call on their police force and perhaps the federal government would even call in some military unit. Medieval cities did not have this option, so once a pogrom got going, there was very little anyone could do to stop it. And while it is true that Jews were prohibited from taking on various jobs, which is doubtlessly anti-semitic, they often excelled in fields such as medicine or trading, where they were usually highly respected by their Christian peers. So, it's important to be very nuanced about these things.

    • @declanbrown5056
      @declanbrown5056 10 месяцев назад +10

      This was a very insightful and interesting read, thank you for sharing! Out of curiosity, do you have any material like books or fact based historical websites you would recommend to someone like myself whos not very knowledgeable on these things?

    • @InfernoG-or4s
      @InfernoG-or4s 9 месяцев назад +5

      All that shit for 5 likes

    • @PVRTYANIMAL
      @PVRTYANIMAL 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@InfernoG-or4swell it’s 9 so it’s worth it..

    • @Anacaona92
      @Anacaona92 9 месяцев назад +1

      Gem 💎

    • @placebojesus5652
      @placebojesus5652 9 месяцев назад +4

      @ConnorGrayaon-or4sy @SADGOD633 Now it’s 10 likes so I think he’s finally got enough likes to feed his family and live in peace now and forever.

  • @justjax6000
    @justjax6000 8 лет назад +491

    lmao Cenk doesn't understand how probability theory works. This was the video that killed TYT for me.

    • @tbone0785
      @tbone0785 8 лет назад +24

      I can't for the life of me understand how he didn't comprehend what Sam was trying to say. The concept isn't that hard to grasp.

    • @wissamabdallah7279
      @wissamabdallah7279 8 лет назад +1

      same

    • @HighlandArmsM1911
      @HighlandArmsM1911 8 лет назад +15

      Raeven008 I guess that's the difference between learning to argue as a lawyer vs learning to argue as a philosopher. The fact that Sam Harris even has to waste his time on a so called "debate" like this is disappointing.

    • @justjax6000
      @justjax6000 7 лет назад +2

      Tom Liu but if the mormon faith were real, jesus would return in the states, but if jesus is real than he would also return somewhere in the middleast. He wouldnt be able to be at both places. So its equally probable that a fiction characyer can return in either location because its based on fiction

    • @Tommah1000
      @Tommah1000 7 лет назад +2

      Just Jax absolutely, that is why Cenk wasn't wrong saying that they were equally ridiculous, except he defended it wrong. But, it was just funny that they were both using math to prove their points, but math is about precision, and they both failed in that regard. For instance, on Cenk's part, 2 + 2 = 5 is not as wrong as 2 + 2 equals 6, it is 1 closer to the right answer. no one would think that 2+2 = 4.01 is equally as wrong as 2 + 2 = 10000000.

  • @aj-tg
    @aj-tg 5 лет назад +988

    Credit to TYT for not disabling the comments section

    • @williamwhitfield6225
      @williamwhitfield6225 5 лет назад +53

      I wouldn't give them to much credit it's more likely thier arrogance that caused this situation driving it. When you turn off comments or take down a video your essentially admitting defeat and waving a white flag. Cenk and TYT will never admit wrong or fault they will just double down on it. Cenk's the kind of guy who walks away from this interview when any sane person can see he looked completely ridiculous and ignorant. And high five all his employees and ho "wow what a asshole that guy is, we really took it to him. I feel like that whent really well for us". And all his employees who are scared to criticize clap and agree.

    • @jamesnicol7077
      @jamesnicol7077 5 лет назад +10

      My inclination to agree with this statement is evidence of how pathetically censorious the left has become

    • @kelvinnguyen3038
      @kelvinnguyen3038 5 лет назад

      credit to The You Tube?

    • @jesserogalski1402
      @jesserogalski1402 5 лет назад

      Nope. Just like bombed their own video lol

    • @Iamradthad
      @Iamradthad 5 лет назад +1

      Lol I never thought of that 😂

  • @Thebear1057
    @Thebear1057 8 лет назад +158

    I miss Christopher Hitchens :*( atleast we have Harris!

    • @CryptoChanakya
      @CryptoChanakya 8 лет назад +1

      Same here

    • @loveurlife4ever1
      @loveurlife4ever1 2 месяца назад

      Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on RUclips ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

  • @steventai65
    @steventai65 8 месяцев назад +35

    Note to self:
    Don't debate an intellectual giant unless you are totally prepared, or Cenk

    • @Noah-sl8cu
      @Noah-sl8cu 5 месяцев назад

      You want to marry Sam Harris?? You clearly are in love with him hahaha

    • @avenuePad
      @avenuePad 5 месяцев назад +2

      "Intellectual giant" 😂

  • @sadekjn
    @sadekjn 6 лет назад +360

    Isn't this the interview that made Dave Rubin leave TYT?

    • @thorondor4012
      @thorondor4012 6 лет назад +103

      Zachary Xavier how is he a hack? He spends his time interviewing people far smarter than himself... and concedes points honestly when he's outmatched. What's hackish about that?

    • @redcommander27
      @redcommander27 6 лет назад +66

      Just because you disagree with him doesn't make him a hack.

    • @McWhatevs
      @McWhatevs 6 лет назад +40

      I think you should actually watch The Rubin Report. I'll admit my attention span is too short to watch some of his guests all the way through in one sitting, but he allows them to have their say and stewards the conversation to illicit something meaningful. There's no agenda, canned questions or answers, censorship or preconceived opinions. It certainly has an anti-left bias but that is because the extreme left has hijacked the rest of the left, leaving the rest to voice their frustration with it.

    • @RiverNeverKnows
      @RiverNeverKnows 6 лет назад +1

      basically yes

    • @businessgoose6057
      @businessgoose6057 6 лет назад +1

      Sadekin Khan money made him leave.

  • @jgambler1188
    @jgambler1188 9 лет назад +2392

    This interview did cenk no favors.

    • @ToveriJuri
      @ToveriJuri 9 лет назад +18

      +Jason Gamblore
      Most of what he says doesn't.
      He's the broken clock type of guy when it's comes to being right about something.

    • @MattFoleysGhost
      @MattFoleysGhost 9 лет назад +27

      Cenk's mouth in general does him no favors.

    • @YuMa-oi1mj
      @YuMa-oi1mj 9 лет назад +7

      +Ray K and how is that any different to the total simplyfied statement made by Sam? "poverty doesnt cause crime. Islam does. hurdur" And whats with all you uneducated people and your "I see snow, so global warming is not real" logic. Just because someone is educated and fighting "against" the USA doesnt mean he believe in 72 virgin or allah. And what kind of idiot would call those people "happy". They go to a warzone to die. How the fuck can you call their previous life "happy".

    • @eliteviktor3
      @eliteviktor3 9 лет назад +2

      +Jason Gamblore Nono, at 56min he did have a solid fucking point!

    • @JordanMedina
      @JordanMedina 9 лет назад +24

      +Yu Ma ...... Just listen and watch jihadists as they make their last prayers before blowing themselves up. They are in religious ecstasy. "We love death like the enemy loves life," say the true believers. You are thinking logically in saying that this is madness, and that no one could think or live this way. However, it's a sad fact. Think before you talk shit.

  • @terrygrant9140
    @terrygrant9140 6 лет назад +406

    Cenk actually believes he is Sam's intellectual equal. Cenk's chair is smarter than he is.

    • @BastiaanvandeWerk
      @BastiaanvandeWerk 6 лет назад +10

      It's worse - he even seems to believe he's the smarter of the two.

    • @travelssrb
      @travelssrb 6 лет назад +11

      Cenk level of hubris is just outstanding in this video. There is nothing more dangerous than a moron who thinks he's intelligent. Cenk thinks he won this debate along with the one with Ben Shapiro and it just goes to show his intellectual delusion.

    • @stealthassulter
      @stealthassulter 6 лет назад +1

      You don't even know what intelligence means... So shut the fuk up

    • @joelundheim1060
      @joelundheim1060 6 лет назад +4

      Sam is obviously a smart guy, but I feel his analysis is flawed, Cenk is right in calling him out on a.

    • @bfrankwithme4514
      @bfrankwithme4514 5 лет назад

      @@joelundheim1060 you're right lol

  • @pedromeditsch8612
    @pedromeditsch8612 5 месяцев назад +34

    Everytime Cenk opens his mouth, I want to leave this video. But when Sam answers, it makes me want to stay a little longer. I've never been so divided. I need to sleep, and I'm simultaneously regretting being here and also enjoying it quite a lot.

    • @valkyren4414
      @valkyren4414 3 месяца назад +4

      Lol this is so true and I am in exactly the same position, needing to go to bed, wanting to leave everytime Cenk talks but then staying because Sam starts talking hahaha

    • @loveurlife4ever1
      @loveurlife4ever1 2 месяца назад

      Which is best, Law abiding citizen, forest gump, green mile 51st dates Hancock click or Stepbrothers “Lex Fridman is dangerous” 16 min inspirational video on RUclips ends w the poem “if” by R Kipling

    • @loveurlife4ever1
      @loveurlife4ever1 2 месяца назад

      This is funny af lol

  • @albert3671
    @albert3671 5 лет назад +388

    Ben Stiller: Hi my name is Sam Harris
    Cenk: Even if I were to grant you that, and I definitely do not grant you that

  • @duartepereira5529
    @duartepereira5529 6 лет назад +889

    Sam: We gotta think deeper.
    Cenk: error 404.

    • @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062
      @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062 6 лет назад +15

      Unfortunately that is what happens when pseudo-intellectuals talk with intellectuals.

    • @rileystewart9165
      @rileystewart9165 6 лет назад +7

      I think Cenk is smarter than average, just not in Sam's Domain. Also you can obviously tell Cenk is intimidated based on his hands, face and posture. This can make it harder to demonstrate your views.

    • @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062
      @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062 6 лет назад +8

      @@rileystewart9165 Well, I'd argue that he is more knowledgeable than average, not 'smarter'.

    • @rileystewart9165
      @rileystewart9165 6 лет назад

      @@brutallyhonestfreespeech9062 certainly more knowledgeable. No question.

    • @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062
      @brutallyhonestfreespeech9062 6 лет назад +5

      @@rileystewart9165 His TYT is also paid for and funded by globalists with specific political interest. I have no doubt that they give him certain knowledge that he must know for certain topics. He was essentially a lawyer who studied management. This also contributes to his ability to think clearly on certain topics, regardless of how ignorant he chooses to act about certain things that people such as Sam Harris talks about here.

  • @OnceUponReddit
    @OnceUponReddit 6 лет назад +68

    This is crazy, this is on tyt’s channel, and I’ve scrolled through the comments for 15 min and have yet to find a positive comment for Cenk.
    He’s so dense, he can’t grasp anything that Sam is saying, and he can’t understand that he’s not proving his points to anyone but himself.
    It’s pathetic.

  • @LuigiMordelAlaume
    @LuigiMordelAlaume 8 месяцев назад +171

    Holy crap this is 9 years old and literally nothing is different. This is so depressing.

    • @welliamd2463
      @welliamd2463 8 месяцев назад +6

      yup, now he thinks nazis were benign...

    • @LuigiMordelAlaume
      @LuigiMordelAlaume 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@welliamd2463I just heard around 30% of evangelicals believe they'll have to resort to violence to maintain America.
      I wish we had stats about how many Germans voted for the Nazi party when Hitler rose to power... I wonder if it's a plurality of support around 1/3rd...

    • @motorhead48067
      @motorhead48067 7 месяцев назад +30

      @@welliamd2463He said Nazism is benign by comparison to Jihadism. If we’re being remotely charitable it’s pretty clear that he was just trying to say that Jihadism is worse than Nazism, not that the Nazis were literally benign. I mean let’s use our thinkers for a second here; you really think Harris thinks that the Nazis were benign despite everything he’s said in condemnation of them and of the Holocaust? Come on now brother. The very fact that he’s using Nazism as his point of comparison with Jihadism in and of itself tells you that he thinks Nazism is bad.

    • @eyesyc
      @eyesyc 5 месяцев назад +1

      2000 years old. It's lame.

    • @PorGaymer
      @PorGaymer 5 месяцев назад

      sam harris turned out to be a grifter, repeating Isreal zionist propaganda and a absolut clown overall. Things changed, youre just stuck in a bubble you clown.

  • @brianbransfield
    @brianbransfield 7 лет назад +507

    This is like Floyd Mayweather fighting my Grandmother.

    • @Erodam
      @Erodam 6 лет назад +7

      stephen Toth painfully unfunny

    • @stephentoth6003
      @stephentoth6003 6 лет назад +22

      Axhiro Madlander Aww man, i remember when i posted that thinking "if Axhiro Madlander doesnt find this funny im just a failure, and hell never invite me to go hang with the cool kids" . So thank you for being honest. I guess ill never get jiggy with it now

    • @Erodam
      @Erodam 6 лет назад +7

      nice man, you passed the test by not caring about my judgement. Welcome to the frat.

    • @X12-g4j
      @X12-g4j 6 лет назад +2

      What a comment 😂😂😂

    • @alexanderthegreat7985
      @alexanderthegreat7985 6 лет назад +1

      agreed

  • @fjordan2345
    @fjordan2345 6 лет назад +203

    Cenk - Makes Point
    Harris - Responds directly and backs up his viewpoints
    Cenk - Disagrees (or agrees and disagrees)... deflects with unrelated point
    Repeat for 3 hours.

    • @Philo-ul2uq
      @Philo-ul2uq 6 лет назад +1

      fjordan2345 so true

    • @someonegetsteve
      @someonegetsteve 6 лет назад +3

      Sam Harris comes across as calmly ...petulent, arrogant and egotistical as ever. The way he starts (calmly) is: how dare someone say something negative about him on the internet and what an asshole his host, Cenk, is. Wow. He's not gracious about the Interview at all, he's not original, and (to be honest) it's hard to stomach that this type of person has a legion of males that swamp every one of his videos with comments and congratulate themselves on how he wins every argument. You're following a rude, idiot who you've mistaken passive aggressive, pseudo intellectual verbosity for real world articulateness who is actually just petty and snide, a little racist and sexist and who no actual academic considers groundbreaking or original. But yes, he is passive aggressively calm which means he's superior, right?

    • @ionutradoi4327
      @ionutradoi4327 6 лет назад

      I cannot disagree more. Sam Harris is a fake intellectual.

    • @themask4775
      @themask4775 6 лет назад

      hahhahahahaha

    • @elfbruh
      @elfbruh 6 лет назад +1

      someonegetsteve
      although your criticism of a lack of originality is warranted, misrepresenting his point as merely "how dare someone say something negative about me on the internet" is exactly the kind of thing he was defending. the principle of misrepresentation was the primary issue corrolorated by the fact that the aforementioned misrepresentation was done by journalists claiming or implying their professionality, and that Cenk was at fault for participating within that same sphere of intellectual dishonesty.
      I personally don't understand your claim that he is both somewhat racist and sexist, and for the most part, the conversation seemed to be an attempt at civility. if someone were interrupting me and misrepresenting my views, then yes; I would more than likely be passive aggressive.

  • @EvanJayREALTOR
    @EvanJayREALTOR 5 лет назад +558

    It must be scary to find out that you're totally outmatched and still have 2 hours and 59 minutes to go in the interview!

    • @andyhaze77
      @andyhaze77 5 лет назад +15

      Shank is the epitome of a moronic argumentative interviewer, who starts out with every possible “bad faith” position on someone’s views. Probably why no one cares about him anymore.

    • @HarryNicNicholas
      @HarryNicNicholas 5 лет назад +15

      if cenk didn't raise his voice every time he opened his mouth the interview would be 50% shorter.

    • @jhnnytyler
      @jhnnytyler 5 лет назад +2

      Cenk found out quick didn't he ? LMAO !

    • @kaufmanat1
      @kaufmanat1 5 лет назад

      Not scary if it's actually an interview. This however was not...

    • @MatteoPrezioso
      @MatteoPrezioso 5 лет назад

      lol nasty!

  • @jacksonstone246
    @jacksonstone246 3 месяца назад +6

    Sam was being nuanced and his point didn't change and Cenks point never stopped shifting and kept getting more obtuse.

    • @johnsmith7345
      @johnsmith7345 3 месяца назад

      yes I found it frustrating to listen to

  • @jackbrooking4754
    @jackbrooking4754 5 лет назад +585

    Cenk: I think we probably agree on about 90% of the issues.
    *Proceeds to disagree with every logical point Sam makes*

    • @robertbeaulieu3739
      @robertbeaulieu3739 5 лет назад +9

      He maybe was talking about the 10 percent they don't agree. Not Hard to understand unless it's you apparently.

    • @jackbrooking4754
      @jackbrooking4754 5 лет назад +16

      Robert Beaulieu He makes a cloudy statement at best. “There’s a lot of stuff we agree on, I’d say -At least- 90% of our views are similar if not identical”
      They then spend the next 3 hours discussing and debating ideas about religion and politics etc. The most common thing that comes out of Cenk’s mouth is “I disagree with you on that.... or I agree and disagree” just seems to stand to reason that they clearly don’t agree on the majority of important issues so his premise at the beginning was unfounded. Not that hard to understand unless it’s you apparently.

    • @robertbeaulieu3739
      @robertbeaulieu3739 5 лет назад +2

      @@jackbrooking4754 your reading way too much into it. Just say you don't like the guy or tyt and it doesn't matter what he says.

    • @robertbeaulieu3739
      @robertbeaulieu3739 5 лет назад

      @@jackbrooking4754 and stop stealing my lines smart ass.

    • @jackbrooking4754
      @jackbrooking4754 5 лет назад +11

      Robert Beaulieu I don’t like Cenk or the young Turks. I’m not overly fond of Sam Harris either, I value his opinion and intellect far more than Cenk true but not out of a fondness for him over TYTs. Maybe I am. Maybe you’re not reading enough into it. I have to surmise that you’ve exposed your own leaning in this discussion. Acting as if disagreeing with Cenk means I’m hating or taking a side.
      PS You made the smart ass comment first. Not me. You want to throw the line at me I’ll throw it right back.

  • @AdamSmith-kl1rs
    @AdamSmith-kl1rs 9 лет назад +371

    So happy with how this video was received. These comments give me hope for humanity

    • @rapmetalchannel3740
      @rapmetalchannel3740 9 лет назад +3

      +Adam Smith
      Yeah, Cenk is a cool guy!

    • @AdamSmith-kl1rs
      @AdamSmith-kl1rs 9 лет назад +32

      +RapMetalChannel clearly I meant the negativity against Cenk. He's a bombastic, incorrigible, infallible, dickhead. Sure I agree with him on many things but overall he's a douche that asserts himself beyond his ability.

    • @gavdobs
      @gavdobs 9 лет назад +9

      my exact sentiments

    • @dieterhofner7043
      @dieterhofner7043 9 лет назад +6

      +bm3racer You clearly have no idea what racism is people like you destroys the important word racism. You stupid bigoted racist:)

    • @AdamSmith-kl1rs
      @AdamSmith-kl1rs 9 лет назад +11

      +bm3racer no need to call names but I think Sam is just honest and realistic about the threat we face. He's not afraid of calling things as they are, for example you simply have no reason (at this time) to be worried about a Buddhist being a suicide bomber, it is not racism, not bigotry, not intolerance or islamaphobia, it is just the reality we face.

  • @ilikemr2s
    @ilikemr2s 6 лет назад +508

    Check says he is atheist but gets reeeeeeeal defensive when it comes to Islam.

    • @jjmcweaver4522
      @jjmcweaver4522 6 лет назад +35

      and early in the debate he states that even though people disavow their birth religions they still tend to get defensive when someone criticizes them....he meant that towards sam i think but its blatantly obvious thays why he defends islam so furiously and attacks jews and christians. its his familial religion. bottom line whos the ones commiting the atrocities here and now? which religion is unable to catch up with the times?

    • @junkscience6397
      @junkscience6397 6 лет назад +6

      25:35 Cenk basically refuses to admit the validity of the Pew poll (and his guest's claim that "extremists" does not mean "30% of the religion".) 26:10 Cenk: "NO!"

    • @ES350gitgapped
      @ES350gitgapped 6 лет назад +1

      Which implies nothing except that he cares about people, even those he does not agree with.

    • @ES350gitgapped
      @ES350gitgapped 6 лет назад +1

      @Kim Numero Uno The Armenian genocide thing passed. Wasn't that addressed on TYT by Cenk and Ana? Having a different opinion on Islam vs other major religions does not mean it's a bias. I see how his reactions appear biased, but I think that's just how he converses.
      I'm with Sam Harris on this debate/discussion, regardless.

    • @bricecate
      @bricecate 6 лет назад

      He even laughed off atheist who used to be Christian's, saying people always defend the ideology they grew up with, then fights hard to defend islam.

  • @joecahill1994
    @joecahill1994 10 месяцев назад +2

    Quite a pleasant discussion to listen to. Thank you Sam and Cenk!

  • @076657
    @076657 7 лет назад +1910

    Sam Harris' patience is UNBELIEVABLE.

    • @aghadmtl
      @aghadmtl 7 лет назад +88

      and Cenk's stupidity is INFINITE

    • @076657
      @076657 7 лет назад +30

      Also true. He can't understand that hitting two birds with an arrow is less probable than hitting one. He thinks it's the same probability because it's so small. Very dumb guy indeed.

    • @aghadmtl
      @aghadmtl 7 лет назад +15

      OF COURSE! OF COURSEEEE!

    • @Exodus27
      @Exodus27 7 лет назад +2

      He is a real-life Jedi

    • @er9875
      @er9875 7 лет назад +12

      Thats what long term meditation seems to do

  • @Milligan777
    @Milligan777 4 года назад +233

    TL;DW: An intelligent man debates a man who thinks he's intelligent. The former wins.

    • @jamshidb
      @jamshidb 4 года назад

      Both of them are wrong

    • @jokefrost7930
      @jokefrost7930 4 года назад +2

      Jamshid Bahrami Whats wrong with sam harris though. if you cant say it then you are just talking shit

    • @jamshidb
      @jamshidb 4 года назад +1

      ​@@jokefrost7930 He claims that he is atheist that means he believes religion is man made then in three hours he try to prove that man is religion made.
      The way he sits on the chair, he acts like an intellect for sure:)

    • @jokefrost7930
      @jokefrost7930 4 года назад +2

      Jamshid Bahrami give me the timestamp where sam harris said that

    • @jamshidb
      @jamshidb 4 года назад +2

      @@jokefrost7930 all over the video he gives excessive amount of credit to relegion for shaping the society. Here in Iran almost all people are Muslim but majority of them actually don't practice islam and here we are with Islamic state. Why is that? Go and study the history there is allot more factors playing here than just people being muslim.

  • @sxyy2559
    @sxyy2559 7 лет назад +1697

    I don't know whether to like for Sam or dislike for Cenk

  • @amarkernawi3217
    @amarkernawi3217 7 месяцев назад +5

    Sam Harris, I applaud your courage, your knowledge about the subject.

  • @M3Lucky
    @M3Lucky 10 лет назад +125

    11:51 "Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they're wrong"...But Sam Harris was just talking about how they misrepresent his views, not their opinions on the issues.

    • @M3Lucky
      @M3Lucky 10 лет назад +3

      *****
      Yeah that's what I said. What Sam Harris was discussing wasn't an issue where many epistemic peers may disagree with each other on. It was simply that journalists misrepresented his views and all you need to do is find what he actually said vs what the "journalists" reported.
      Cenk was making it sound as if it was something that couldn't be sorted out/

    • @M3Lucky
      @M3Lucky 10 лет назад

      *****
      Yeah I know, I pretty much just said what you said lol :P

    • @runreilly
      @runreilly 10 лет назад +10

      M3Lucky I love how when Sam talks about journalistic integrity and pulling the video, Cenk responds with 'well no, then I'd have to hear from Salon, etc, etc.'
      Great. Tell Salon that their Werleman has been outed as a serial plagiarist and hang up the phone. Easy.
      Basically Cenk is being lazy. He may as well have said, "I don't want to uphold the show's journalistic integrity because then I'll have to explain myself to whiners."

    • @surikata247
      @surikata247 10 лет назад +17

      He might as well say that just because someone says things that are untrue doesn't mean they are wrong.

    • @Jace_C86
      @Jace_C86 10 лет назад +18

      runreilly Oh thank you for saying this, and pointing it out. This was driving me crazy. Sam challenged his journalistic integrity and Cenk's response was completely unsatisfying and missing the point, which he continued to do for the majority of this discussion.

  • @Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer
    @Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer 10 лет назад +209

    I'm so confused. Is Cenk intentionally pretending not to understand what Sam Harris is saying or is he serious. Either way it's annoying. I don't know how Sam Harris didn't didn't get frustrated and walk out. And the way Cenk just kept putting words in his mouth and then Sam had to keep explaining why that wasn't his point of view. But for the most part it was only a few instances. I don't get how Cenk thinks that Sam should be responsible for people that misunderstand his views and then go on to misrepresent him. He's being as clear as possible, it's not his problem if people are too stupid or too lazy to understand. Also why can't Cenk just admit that the doctrine of Islam is worse. It very obviously is. It seems to me that Cenk wants Sam to provide a simplified answer to a vastly overly complicated issue. It's ridiculous. Great discussion for the most part!

    • @Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer
      @Sims3loserTheAwkwardSimmer 10 лет назад

      .

    • @americanslime
      @americanslime 10 лет назад +4

      I think Cenk was just saying that Sam has a way of setting up hypotheticals that are just begging to be taken out of context, or are concerning even in context because Sam sometimes writes one thing and means another. Like saying you can kill people for their beliefs when what he really means is you can kill people once they have committed violent action as a result of their beliefs and have every intention of committing more.

    • @Person01234
      @Person01234 10 лет назад +1

      Sam is doing a lot of "I interpret christianity/islam/whatever this way and so everyone else must interpret it this way too". He's saying "you can't find justification for X in Y", then saying "if someone says they did something because of Y we should take them at their word"... well then, there clearly IS a justification for X in Y, just not in his particular interpretation of it. He seems to think he knows it all, that because he doesn't adhere to a specific belief and he can see many ways of interpreting the books, that therefore they're the ONLY ways of interpreting the books. And he keeps reiterating the same point, that Z is worse than Y because you justify X in Z but not in Y when many people, however irrationally (which is a given because religion itself is not rational), have done just that.

    • @StgAeY
      @StgAeY 10 лет назад +6

      Person Oisels no u actually completely missed the point. Sam's clearly said each religion can be interpreted differently; and his point, which seem pretty logical, is that there are certain aspects of a religion that makes certain interpretation more likely(for example, difference between Muhammad and Jesus and their teaching), which Cenk refused to admit for some reason.

    • @Person01234
      @Person01234 10 лет назад

      StgAeY Actually, Cenk pointed out that history proves it's just as easy to view christianity like that as it is Islam. Sam will then say "but jesus blah blah" but no, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's easier for YOU to rationalise being kind in christianity, history clearly shows that it's just as easy for the masses to accept huge amounts of violence in christianity's name as it is Islam's, if not more so.

  • @covill07
    @covill07 5 лет назад +126

    If I was to wager a guess, I would wager that 95% of why Cenk left Islam is because of bacon.

    • @Justinsingleton83
      @Justinsingleton83 4 года назад

      😂😂😂

    • @JButterZJ
      @JButterZJ 4 года назад +2

      the reason he left is only to always say that he left and take that as an argument why he is objectiv

    • @cullenarthur8879
      @cullenarthur8879 3 года назад +4

      @@JButterZJ so he's faking when he say's he's an atheist to appear unbiased when it comes to islam?

    • @jensen8058
      @jensen8058 3 года назад +1

      @@cullenarthur8879 honestly I don't know about Cenk. But I know so many people doing this for the exact reason you mentioned.

    • @cullenarthur8879
      @cullenarthur8879 3 года назад +3

      @@jensen8058 personally, I find that hard to believe. I'm an atheist, so I find it easy to believe that he's an atheist. For a Muslim to leave Islam and declare he's an atheist is not a small deal, and most likely would not be done for such a stupid reason.

  • @maxbants7737
    @maxbants7737 9 месяцев назад +34

    I don't believe at all that Cenk is failing to grasp the various criticisms that lie unique in Islam, he is simply practicing selective-ignorance and defending it out of favour for his mother culture and even says as much early in the interview.

    • @mohamudhersi8850
      @mohamudhersi8850 7 месяцев назад

      If we talk barbarism it is more of christians than muslims. It is in the Quran that you get if you kill a human being is as though you are killing the whole of humanity. When Jews are persecuted in the hands of christians it is muslims who always protected them. What islam is against for instance immorality, abuse other people and kill other without a reason. It is absurd someone like Sam Harris to defend west and attack. When Muslims ruled the holy land they protected all people who live in Holy. Later when christian crusaders captured they killed almost all people in the town regardless of their religion Muslims, Jews etc. When later Salahudin Al Ayubi conquered he did not kill the people in the town regardless of their affiliation. Look today what christians are doing in support of zionists persecution of the Muslims in Palestinians. Therefore, when you compare the followers of the two Muslims are superior in terms of high moral ground compared to christians. Christian UK and USA (christians) who we can not finish the atrocities you have done to the other non christians communities in the 20th and 21 cenntury. Start colonialisation of other people, viatnam war, Middle east disaster, Afghanistan onslaught (20 years of atrocities), continued support of apartheid zionist state and so on and so forth. If we compare as whole people Muslims were always more peaceful than christians. That is fact.

    • @Noah-sl8cu
      @Noah-sl8cu 5 месяцев назад

      Speaking on things you have no knowledge hurts yourself more than the people you’re talking about, if you can read i suggest doing that more

    • @maxbants7737
      @maxbants7737 5 месяцев назад +4

      @Noah-sl8cu which is a non argument. Let me translate what you just said so absolutely everybody is on the same page: "lol no".

    • @herroyung857
      @herroyung857 4 месяца назад +1

      ⁠@@Noah-sl8cuFriend, Sam laid it out plain. Islam is unique in its promise of paradise, virgins, and everlasting happiness for those who die in the process of murdering and converting as many non-Muslims as possible. Which explains why the vast majority of suicide bombers and terrorists currently are Muslim. And Cenk never refuted or even acknowledged this point (as of an hour into the talk) as if his subconscious refused to face it.

  • @colinwriter
    @colinwriter 4 года назад +94

    Watching these two, it’s obvious to me, Intellectualism needs weight classes.

  • @jackstar5208
    @jackstar5208 8 лет назад +949

    Who lets Cenk debate? He just embarrassed himself!

    • @julie-mt2xr
      @julie-mt2xr 8 лет назад +7

      Disagree. Sam contradicts himself the entire conversation, not to mention his stammering every other sentence.

    • @fredthemanish
      @fredthemanish 8 лет назад +100

      +Julie Irvin sam rarely ever stammers, he is definitely one of the most articulate people alive, cenk keeps saying dumb shit and it throws him off.

    • @ephilbin
      @ephilbin 8 лет назад +54

      Can you point out where Sam Harris contradicts himself? I'd like to see your point.

    • @nicholew350
      @nicholew350 8 лет назад +8

      A genius... People watch these videos just to see him make a fool of himself. Doesn't TYT make money off view counts? Someone is making bank off of his stupidity. I still believe he thinks he's winning though.

    • @marishanameyer6132
      @marishanameyer6132 8 лет назад +1

      Actually he did not at all. I have noticed this with atheists before they do not think for themselves, they think like dawkins or Harris...etc...just as bad as religious people really.

  • @dvalle1100
    @dvalle1100 6 лет назад +280

    I was a fan of TYT and until I saw how Cenk incorrectly cited facts about Harris' arguments on Maher show. I just unsubscribed.

    • @Summonergeek
      @Summonergeek 6 лет назад +2

      Yeah, I've noticed he gets things wrong now and then but I don't think it's worth ditching the entire network. I don't have time to read ten papers a day and rely on TYT to let me know when cops is cappin` folks and no one else talks about it.

    • @dg1431
      @dg1431 6 лет назад +8

      LOL Thomas, I hope you're being sarcastic. Otherwise you're part of the problem.

    • @mu0FFpu0FF
      @mu0FFpu0FF 6 лет назад +2

      Same

    • @kakalis2323
      @kakalis2323 6 лет назад +6

      He gets things wrong now and then is not the criticism. The criticism is intentionally misrepresenting your opponents viewpoints in order to persuade viewers to your side. When your news source does this regularly, as TYT does, then it's time to unsubscribe

    • @Drderp-hd5bb
      @Drderp-hd5bb 6 лет назад

      well done, that was my turning point as well

  • @Amos_Lee
    @Amos_Lee 10 месяцев назад +4

    Can we get an update? Very relevant conversation for today.

  • @anzebenko6466
    @anzebenko6466 8 лет назад +2366

    I think it's very racist how Sam Harris mops the floor with Cenk.

  • @PaulLadendorf
    @PaulLadendorf 8 лет назад +615

    Did anyone else notice the difference in emotional maturity between the two...not to say anything about intellectual ability.

    • @Hunn1313
      @Hunn1313 8 лет назад +92

      Quite a bit. Mr. Harris was speaking to an arrogant child. Cenk is embarassing, unwilling to listen. Cenk just waits for his turn to speak; most of the time not waiting but rudely interrupting.

    • @yoboychilli8173
      @yoboychilli8173 8 лет назад +14

      at least cenk is not as bad as the emotional ben affleck

    • @FilterBySubgenre
      @FilterBySubgenre 7 лет назад +1

      true

    • @g0vinda337
      @g0vinda337 7 лет назад +5

      Yea Sam Harris acts like a 5 year old. Everytime you see a Sam Harris video he has to spend a half hour defending himself. Watching Harris speak is like watching Donald Trump.

    • @alexistousignant722
      @alexistousignant722 7 лет назад +13

      Trying to get other people to understand you should have the highest priority in a discussion. With Cenk constantly ignoring points he made, that did already answer his question,
      Sam had no other choice but to elaborate on his ideas and stands on certain issues. If there was someone that acted like a 5 yeah old, it would sadly be cenk here...

  • @JStrummer1
    @JStrummer1 5 лет назад +483

    Cenk is so bad at this I have to hope he never attempts to take on an academic again. For his sake. Embarrassing.

    • @themichiganman8717
      @themichiganman8717 4 года назад +8

      You should see him debating been shapiro if you think this is bad

    • @tonyrobledo2318
      @tonyrobledo2318 4 года назад +6

      The way he said at the beginning of the video "he has a B.A." no respect in his introduction.

    • @onelove7354
      @onelove7354 4 года назад +2

      What do you expect from a Turk (Erdogan)

    • @healthstartshere
      @healthstartshere 4 года назад +2

      Are you kidding? This guy Sam Harris is an embarrassment to real academics! He’s not very bright at all! Cenk is just being classy and biting his tongue.

    • @JoshAbbott431
      @JoshAbbott431 4 года назад +8

      healthstartshere how do you figure that? Cenk is horrible at this.

  • @M.aGhzadeh
    @M.aGhzadeh 3 месяца назад +5

    Cenk :
    Disagreeableness: 100
    Intelligence: 0

  • @Lucas-ih4th
    @Lucas-ih4th 7 лет назад +907

    Sam Harris, the most patient person on planet earth

    • @7Be
      @7Be 7 лет назад +12

      Lucas Jakobsen Idk, I think is have to give that to Richard Dawkins for putting up with that Creationist lady. Can't remember her name.

    • @asif9877
      @asif9877 7 лет назад +3

      When did this happen? WHEREISTHEEVIDENCE WHEREISTHEEVIDENCE! lolol

    • @MCMaterac
      @MCMaterac 7 лет назад +8

      dr Jordan Peterson has lot of patience as well, trying to reason them SJWs.

    • @tidal9
      @tidal9 7 лет назад +4

      Because it's considered rude to get impatient with retards.

    • @xvipurplemoney7793
      @xvipurplemoney7793 7 лет назад +10

      I think it’s because he meditates

  • @kevinjarrett6841
    @kevinjarrett6841 5 лет назад +416

    Cenk: well I’m not qualified to talk about that
    Sam: I am
    🥵

    • @genepryor2023
      @genepryor2023 5 лет назад +16

      Lol cenk shit his pants for the 12th time that moment

    • @bb8328
      @bb8328 4 года назад +5

      3 hour conversation ensues.

    • @Kellethorn
      @Kellethorn 4 года назад +1

      Lol SERIOUSLY. I laughed out loud at that moment.
      Cenk, dude... how do you respond to that! Lol

    • @yj9032
      @yj9032 4 года назад

      Thug life

    • @davidzuniga5740
      @davidzuniga5740 4 года назад

      Time stamp?

  • @bernardcurtin1524
    @bernardcurtin1524 4 года назад +359

    Dear lord, that was like watching a baby seal get clubbed for 3 hours.

    • @Yourhighnessnona
      @Yourhighnessnona 4 года назад

      Bernard Curtin OMG, no ☹️

    • @luciavaughn3793
      @luciavaughn3793 4 года назад

      😬 That is brutal.

    • @czos9239
      @czos9239 4 года назад

      The baby seal apparently suffered brain damage because it's pimpin that horrid NordVPN again.

    • @mcwho3
      @mcwho3 4 года назад +3

      @Thucydides A super annoying, fat, retarded, angry baby seal

    • @BIGSUCCC
      @BIGSUCCC 4 года назад

      @Wilson holy shit, i spat out my coffee when i read that, thanks for the laugh

  • @henry6451
    @henry6451 7 месяцев назад +6

    I would love to hear a body expert analyze the sitting postures of these two. They are distinctly contrasting..

  • @markhermanson2046
    @markhermanson2046 10 лет назад +1598

    Sam lays out clear concise arguments, none of which are bigoted or racist. His points are data driven and relevant to today's world. He is indeed considering all sides of the argument. Cenk continually sets up straw-men of Sam's position, as many have done. If you rationally consider Sam's position and carefully listen to his wording they make a lot of sense.

    • @heyhey89674
      @heyhey89674 10 лет назад +34

      He lays out clear and consice arguments many of wich are wrong, like the idea that the Syrian or Iraqi people would care if ISIS soldiers died in an airstrike. What they do care about, as we have seen in dronestrike tormented areas, is if their familymembers die and civilians. The fact that Harris seems to ignore this is yet another idication that this guy is taken way to seriously and doesnt know what the hell he is talking about.

    • @markhermanson2046
      @markhermanson2046 10 лет назад +96

      Auraruth8 He explains clearly how bad he thinks collateral damage is. Did you watch the whole thing?

    • @D3nchanter
      @D3nchanter 10 лет назад +75

      Auraruth8 Mark Hermanson The problem I have is that Cenk really can't understand sam's VERY simple point about doctrines having straight lines to how people behave and how christianity and islam are not the same.

    • @markhermanson2046
      @markhermanson2046 10 лет назад +45

      Denchanter357 Right, he corners Cenk on this point twice. 1. Why aren't the Christians in Palestine participating in the violence, they are in the same socio-economic position. 2. Why do we take a person at their word when they claim to have committed crime for material reasons, but some dismiss it when they give a religious reason. They both agree on most of it .. it seems they disagree as to what weight all of the environmental, political, economic, religious, mental, and societal factors hold. Fine, they can all play a role.. but it's only religion claiming to be the one and only solution, the system that claims to trump all other factors.

    • @st105900
      @st105900 10 лет назад +10

      Mark Hermanson Denchanter357 i think cenk clearly understand sam's premise of beliefs leading to action. and sam does make logical conclusions based on this premise, which however are wrong. not because he got the premise wrong, but because his premises are insufficient. as a counter-point to your question, if doctrine leads to behaviour, then i find it logical to ask why there hasn't been any muslim voilence in USA? here is a thought experiment, i hope you will be honest with yourself: if all the muslims in middle east suddenly by some miracle renounce islam right now, do you think the violence would stop tomorrow? the honest answer is no! i find cenk's point of view more nuanced. it seems to me that harris is so engaged in his own thoughts that he forgot that some of his writings are squarely in a political arena. and there are much better political analysts of the middle east than harris. also being irreligious or being an atheist is not equivalent to being an islamophobe.

  • @robg8203
    @robg8203 6 лет назад +479

    Damn, I think Cenk has been watching too much TYT.

    • @jasonwood7340
      @jasonwood7340 6 лет назад +4

      This is my favorite comment.

    • @DeepBanana
      @DeepBanana 6 лет назад

      LOLZ well said, he should probably lay off the buffalo meat too!

    • @JohnAC4
      @JohnAC4 6 лет назад +1

      Deep Banana hehe

    • @agamemnon4889
      @agamemnon4889 6 лет назад

      That’s genius

  • @LeonIdrisAzevedo
    @LeonIdrisAzevedo 7 лет назад +1603

    Sam: The earth isnt flat.
    Cenk: We half agree and half disagree there, Sam.

    • @wolfie6320
      @wolfie6320 7 лет назад +73

      JUST TRYING TO HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION!

    • @andrewdevine3920
      @andrewdevine3920 7 лет назад +26

      You forgot to say 'right?'.

    • @Quetzalcoatl_03
      @Quetzalcoatl_03 7 лет назад +9

      That is the one way in which i still respect TYT, at least they don't censor or hide away criticism.

    • @ekitkatjj8619
      @ekitkatjj8619 7 лет назад

      HeiosDK TYT POLITICS, YES. AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE EXCEPT CENK.

    • @outofslumber
      @outofslumber 7 лет назад +2

      Sam wouldn't touch that with a barge pole. He would have to explain why the North Star stays stationary and hasn't moved significantly throughout human history.

  • @Zombiphobia
    @Zombiphobia 3 месяца назад +3

    People act like this was a battle of wits or a debate where one party is the victor, but really this was a success for both parties, where clarity of ideas was the goal, and clarity was achieved. before this conversation had happened there was a lot of guessing as to what each individual thought deep down on these issues, especially in regards to Sam Harris, but by the end of it, even if one disagreed with Harris, at least one has a much more clarified understanding of his view, and the same can be said about one's understanding of Uyger's view. This conversation was a success.

  • @sderfgtyhdjkdeshjdfs
    @sderfgtyhdjkdeshjdfs 6 лет назад +307

    The Birth of the Rubin Report

    • @HeelTJ
      @HeelTJ 6 лет назад +17

      Koch money was the birth of that show. Rubin is very slick to use this as an excuse though

    • @neonlost
      @neonlost 6 лет назад +3

      The birth of the Koch gravy train 🚂

    • @ImpulsesOG
      @ImpulsesOG 6 лет назад +2

      Gotta love the replies to this

    • @sarenareth689
      @sarenareth689 6 лет назад +10

      Guess the fact that TYT continuously embarrass themselves like this had nothing to do with it xD Wouldn't wanna be associated with this shit show either, Rubin made the correct choice. Even Kyle Kulinski has regularly called out Cenk lately.

    • @Theroadneverending
      @Theroadneverending 6 лет назад +1

      sderfgtyhdjkdeshjdfs the birth of leftist and conservatives forming a new party to combat leftist ideology

  • @dukedematteo9126
    @dukedematteo9126 6 лет назад +305

    Never seen a guy so intellectually overmatched in my life.

    • @MarthMain
      @MarthMain 6 лет назад +3

      Rick Jacobs bruh I saw that interview and JBP didn’t destroy anyone. They just talked pass each other that first time. I really hope they both get it right with those new talks they are doing. I say this as an avid Peterson and Harris fan.

    • @bmillemo
      @bmillemo 6 лет назад +16

      Yep. It was like watching a toddler trying to debate a neurosurgeon about surgery techniques.

    • @functionalschizophr
      @functionalschizophr 6 лет назад +13

      Yes Harris is a rocket surgeon when it comes to measured calm debate with a train of facts....he rolls over people and they crack in two trying to get him to convert to their fallacies...and he just hits them with more info...he know more about Islam than Cenk the ex-Muslim

    • @ruaraidh74
      @ruaraidh74 6 лет назад +5

      Wait until you see Ben Shapiro vs Cenk

    • @danieldevito6380
      @danieldevito6380 6 лет назад

      Rick Jacobs To be fair, Jordan Peterson is on a whole other level. JP is operating at heights above everybody so you really can't use that to judge.

  • @AndyG_MTB
    @AndyG_MTB 7 лет назад +756

    This intellectual bullying, Sam's playing 3D chess and Cenk's still trying to get the hang of hungry hungry hippos

    • @reticularimismariocuomos3823
      @reticularimismariocuomos3823 7 лет назад +6

      AXG remember when Clinton was playing chess and 3D chess and in real world trump won cuz he was playing hungry hippos and twister!!

    • @Nero-xv
      @Nero-xv 7 лет назад +9

      A better anology would be tic tac toe. The complexity of Sam's arguments are very clear to wrap your head around.

    • @stefjonesee6180
      @stefjonesee6180 7 лет назад +1

      AXG hahahaha nice one!

    • @12FU
      @12FU 7 лет назад +1

      hahahahaha

    • @GuamTippedOver
      @GuamTippedOver 7 лет назад +4

      too funny - legit laugh out loud

  • @brotherben4357
    @brotherben4357 11 месяцев назад +22

    How can anyone take Cenk seriously? He’s an embarrassment sitting oppoosite Harris.

  • @CorkKNIFE
    @CorkKNIFE 7 лет назад +197

    -Well I'm not qualified.
    -Well I am.
    LOL

    • @davidbudo5551
      @davidbudo5551 7 лет назад +6

      CorkKNIFE This got me too, especially the speed with which Fred Flintstone moved on.

    • @sharathsh9987
      @sharathsh9987 7 лет назад +4

      That was hilarious and Cenk could have learned something if he let Sam go on, but of course, his little ego got hurt.

    • @cruiser_b9779
      @cruiser_b9779 7 лет назад +5

      Time stamp?

    • @CorkKNIFE
      @CorkKNIFE 7 лет назад +6

      Nope, watch the whole thing.

    • @ogcipher4967
      @ogcipher4967 6 лет назад +5

      @Aviri Char dude, lay off the meth.

  • @bobbyspivey3721
    @bobbyspivey3721 4 года назад +427

    Sam: "I'm here because you grossly misrepresented my views."
    Keek: *Grossly misrepresents Sam's views for three straight hours."

    • @jameslourenco1570
      @jameslourenco1570 4 года назад +16

      And then a week later he tells Raza "ya he (sam) thinks its ALL muslims"... intellectually bereft and dishonest right to the end...
      Cenk was well on his way to reason when he left cnn but then he let that parasite ana kasparian latch onto him and he made a left turn and drove straight on with no stopping til he reached crazy town... he should have stuck with wolf pac and focused more on that initiative instead of belching his opinions at us

    • @HP-sq2fp
      @HP-sq2fp 4 года назад +11

      James Lourenco yep. That’s my issue with a lot of the left (saying this as a left leaning person). They’ve become so deeply embedded with identity politics, PC culture, and “protect ‘brown people’ at all costs” that they’re unable to objectively analyze problematic behavior/ideology. That’s why they need to resort to “well if you’re objectively analyzing problems within Islam, it’s just because you’re prejudiced against Muslims and therefore you think all Muslims are bad”. No reasonable, logical person even needs to say “not all....” because a logical person already knows that nothing applies to ALL people, because you don’t know ALL people so you can’t reasonably make an argument applying a characteristic to all people of any group. Again, a logical person doesn’t need to hear “not all....” prefaced in an argument because it’s already implicitly implied that nothing applies to ALL. only idiots need to clarify an argument with “not all” and it’s just a tactic to divert from valid criticisms and to avoid having an honest conversation about problematic behaviors among their choice “protected groups”

    • @Genarii
      @Genarii 4 года назад +4

      @@HP-sq2fp The current state of the left has forced me to change description from "far left" to "center left." Anything illogical or unreasonable will be detrimental to the cause in the long run.

    • @DHCWorldWide
      @DHCWorldWide 4 года назад

      hahaha

    • @citizenghosttown
      @citizenghosttown 4 года назад +4

      @@Genarii I look at this way. Leftists like Cenk aren't liberal or progressive. They are illiberal and regressive.

  • @Alkamar96
    @Alkamar96 6 лет назад +155

    Cenk: *States feeling or opinion*
    Sam: *Rebuts with fact*
    Cenk: But Sam, *States disagreement ignoring facts*
    Sam: *Reinforces with facts*
    Cenk: But Sam, I disagree. *Changes subject and repeats the cycle*

    • @kakapoochie
      @kakapoochie 6 лет назад +5

      Alkamar96 well said

    • @allroundlad
      @allroundlad 6 лет назад

      What facts? That white people get to use the 'mental illness' excuse but Arabs are perfectly fine, they are just acting in the name of Islam? Get your head out of your ass.

    • @LobsterUpgraded
      @LobsterUpgraded 6 лет назад +5

      Yes it's more realistic a white man shooting a bunch of people is mentally ill vs a group of like minded individuals shoot a bunch of people or act against them as a group. Sure obviously there are people within the group that are mentally ill.

    • @aiamerica1320
      @aiamerica1320 6 лет назад

      This

    • @allroundlad
      @allroundlad 6 лет назад

      @@johnavi You better be joking

  • @noufel8986
    @noufel8986 4 дня назад +1

    Disclaimer: I’m a huge fan of Sam. Been subscribed to Waking Up for many years and listens to his podcast. And this is the second time I’ve seen Cenk speak. The first was on Lex Fridman’s podcast.
    I’m surprised by how much people here hate on Cenk. Even though I’m on Sam’s side on the majority of the discussion, Cenk is making good points. If you truly listen to the substance of it.
    Just wanted to see how many people agree with me here.

  • @TheSabatuer
    @TheSabatuer 10 лет назад +1782

    as an xmuslim, i can wholeheartedly say, Sam understand Islam's doctrine and behaviors more than any muslim ive met, his precision in language and reason is really special. *~I respect Cenk Uygur~*, but he is really doing a bad job at this interview, he seems reluctant to actually tackle any of the arguments proposed, just looking for his turn to speak and come up with a counter argument, most of which are irrelevant.
    1 hour into the discussion, CENK, huuuuge disappointment!

    • @TentaclePentacle
      @TentaclePentacle 10 лет назад +102

      totally agree putting Cenk and Sam Harris side by side, cenk looks like a total moron.

    • @TheSabatuer
      @TheSabatuer 10 лет назад +93

      It almost feels that Cenk is being to quick to judge, while arguing out of his sense of insecurity towards Sam's reasoning. rather than the points presented!

    • @JustinCredible786
      @JustinCredible786 10 лет назад +2

      TheSabatuer Give me some of the arguments that Sam Harris made which intrigues you.

    • @TheSabatuer
      @TheSabatuer 10 лет назад +48

      Most of his arguments are reasonably founded with solid statistical/mathematical/logical basis, doesn't mean they are 100% correct but rather are founded in good reason/logic and therefore excellent starting points to the topic at hand
      I agree with the notion that Islam of all Abrahimic religions is being subject to more VALID criticism, rightfully so, duo many finer points and fundamentalism and literalism only found in islam! Islam is in dire need for reformation and less literalism, otherwise it will be responsible for its downfall, i have little doubt about that
      I like the ideas about doctrine and behavior and the links between them. His notion that "extremism" is infact the norm in most Muslim countries is 100% true, ive seen this countless times in my experience, specifically because he made the distinction between "professed believe" vs "actual belief" - a crucial point because theoretically islam is an extremest ideology, but until cognitive dissonance affests your subject, it is considered very normal Islamic behavior.
      Is there sthg in particular you were asking about?

    • @JustinCredible786
      @JustinCredible786 10 лет назад +2

      TheSabatuer > 'theoretically islam is an extremist ideology'
      > Elaborate.

  • @davidlabelle361
    @davidlabelle361 8 лет назад +223

    Cenk, just give it up and say "I've got a soft spot for Islam because I used to be one, and my family still is. Therefore, I am going to deflect by tossing in all these red herrings like 'But..but..but Christianity!'" It makes perfect sense for you to feel that way, and nobody would begrudge you those feelings. Just be honest about it.

    • @emptyhearted9981
      @emptyhearted9981 8 лет назад

      ..........

    • @thelodwenn
      @thelodwenn 8 лет назад +2

      +Dave LaBelle 39:11

    • @tcvttcvt4305
      @tcvttcvt4305 8 лет назад

      totally agree

    • @evilcranberry
      @evilcranberry 8 лет назад

      +Dave LaBelle He said something very similar to that towards the beginning when they were talking about religious identity

    • @Locustmaster15
      @Locustmaster15 8 лет назад

      *****
      That's because he is a complete moron

  • @N91CZ
    @N91CZ 5 лет назад +535

    3 hours of Sam running intellectual circles around Cenk.

    • @friedricengravy6646
      @friedricengravy6646 4 года назад +1

      ......not really. As well, any person with real self confidence has no need to belittle others as a grammar nazi lol U r entitled to ur opinion. I’ll allow u to believe that I cant spell your lol

    • @kevinbrittingham9276
      @kevinbrittingham9276 4 года назад +3

      @Dear dad sam is actually extremely intelligent and well-versed in the subject what have you had published?

    • @kevinmm20
      @kevinmm20 4 года назад +1

      @Dear dad That's just not true

    • @kevinmm20
      @kevinmm20 4 года назад +1

      @Dear dad Oh ok.. Islam is a massive pile of bull shit anyway

    • @kevinmm20
      @kevinmm20 4 года назад

      @Dear dad Oh so you're delusional..

  • @meorgegoran
    @meorgegoran 2 месяца назад +3

    10 years to the day since this gem dropped

  • @ZagrosŞêxbizin
    @ZagrosŞêxbizin 4 года назад +384

    Cenk: we agree on 90% of the things
    Cenk: proceeds to disagree with everything.

    • @luisofsuburbia
      @luisofsuburbia 4 года назад +6

      What would be the point of a discussion if there are not disagreements? Most of Cenk's rebuttals were forced, I can't believe people don't see this.... he is merely playing the part of a troll.

    • @JasonGafar
      @JasonGafar 4 года назад +4

      I know. He's so full of it.

    • @t-man5196
      @t-man5196 4 года назад +3

      What are they gonna sit there and talk about what they agree on? Boring...

    • @luisofsuburbia
      @luisofsuburbia 4 года назад +1

      @@ZagrosŞêxbizin - No, I got what you were saying. I was being nice about it.
      What I should have said instead was “Yea no shit Sherlock!”

    • @mrddcass6540
      @mrddcass6540 3 года назад +1

      You can say that about both sides. They both don't agree with each other and focused on the nuances they don't agree on. Sounds like you just chose one side from the start and didn't listen with an open mind.

  • @bartdrenth3753
    @bartdrenth3753 5 лет назад +295

    Good grief. Cenk is out of his league here.

    • @AshMaybeAllen
      @AshMaybeAllen 4 года назад +20

      Do you think HE realizes that? Nope. He ended this interview, looked in the mirror and said, "I just slammed a prominent intellectual. I am...CENK"
      He is THAT guy.

    • @johanocampo5422
      @johanocampo5422 4 года назад +4

      @@AshMaybeAllen 😂😔 it's both funny and sad lol

    • @mosehlewi3081
      @mosehlewi3081 4 года назад

      @@AshMaybeAllen Would you be able to clarify why you concur that Cenk was out of his league here? I am of the assessment that he was definitely not.

    • @dg1431
      @dg1431 4 года назад +3

      @@mosehlewi3081 Because he was wrong on all counts and couldn't understand basic probability. Clear now?

    • @mosehlewi3081
      @mosehlewi3081 4 года назад

      @@dg1431 It was an insignificant contention by Harris which is Cenk's point. It's likewise founded on a bogus premise that the LDS (Mormons) has a more specific location of where Jesus will return to. Ordinary Christianity or the New Testament expresses a quite certain spot of where Jesus will descend from which is Mt of Olives close to Jerusalem. Cenk does insinuate that reality when he says something like "for what reason does it make a difference whether he returns to Jerusalem or to Missouri? He ain't returning."

  • @whatup4998
    @whatup4998 4 года назад +280

    Here after Joe Rogan said Cenk was out of his league on this interview

    • @chosn12001
      @chosn12001 4 года назад +3

      You got a link?

    • @proudleftist6899
      @proudleftist6899 4 года назад +3

      Cenk is a ex Muslim , he knows more about Islam than Sam dose

    • @warpdarkmatter7629
      @warpdarkmatter7629 4 года назад +44

      Proud Leftist that doesn’t mean anything. There’s plenty muslims that are ignorant to what Islam is, just like there are many Christians ignorant to Christianity. See the Nation of Islam and westboro baptists

    • @proudleftist6899
      @proudleftist6899 4 года назад +3

      Warp Darkmatter yea but he left Islam after he found out it was wrong , so he is more educated than a random Muslim , also he knows more than Sam as Sam knows about Christianity , not Islam

    • @Stephen-zw7km
      @Stephen-zw7km 4 года назад +8

      @@proudleftist6899 Honestly, I want to adress your username. How can you promote and support a group of people mislabeling and attacking others who don't conform to their ever-changing radical ideology?

  • @willbrock6568
    @willbrock6568 11 месяцев назад +2

    Where to even start. This is what happens when you get a highly intelligent human being in an argument with a human being who thinks he’s intelligent. It’s painful to watch Cenk. He operates in this realm of “everything needs to be equal”. These types of people do not care about facts or reality. They just care about things “being fair”. This is Cenks entire basis for his identity and ideology. Sam brings up the point about salon and how they don’t do their journalistic duties, basically. With fact checking etc.. Cenk responds with a gross oversimplification and overgeneralizes saying “well they have the right to say it”. 9 years later we’ve seen Cenk in all his wisdom just absolutely slander people for there point, and state “there wrong” etc… I genuinely cannot stand the types of people who have no grasp of reality and equate everything to “fairness”. He’s not a “better” person, he’s just spineless and emotional.

  • @boitumelophenya2748
    @boitumelophenya2748 4 года назад +309

    "I came here to clean up this mess" is code for I'm about to ruin your whole career

  • @daffycuck3695
    @daffycuck3695 4 года назад +228

    This Cenk guy doesn't even understand basic probability theory, which is intuitive

    • @BeyondSorrowYYY
      @BeyondSorrowYYY 4 года назад +8

      Or he just doesn’t want to acknowledge that Sam ist right. Either way, it is all you need to know about him, to not take him serious in any way.

    • @dmf3357
      @dmf3357 3 года назад

      If cenk is more of an antitheist than an atheist then he has a point on the probability thing

    • @axlandersson
      @axlandersson 3 года назад

      No one who knows anything about probability theory would ever call it "intuitive"... :)

    • @daffycuck3695
      @daffycuck3695 3 года назад +2

      @@axlandersson yeah, hence why I said basic probability theory. Missed the mark

    • @axlandersson
      @axlandersson 3 года назад

      @@daffycuck3695 What is "basic" probability theory? And how is it intuitive? Nice try.

  • @fashionearrings
    @fashionearrings 10 лет назад +163

    Why is Cenk point blank refusing to understand the core of Sam's argument? Given that he's USED Sam's very exact viewpoint in other contexts when it suits him? Is this inability to "get it" genuine or contrived on Cenk's part?

    • @bmoney1860
      @bmoney1860 10 лет назад +2

      He was purposely articulating that he rejects Sam's argument as factually incorrect.

    • @Skindoggiedog
      @Skindoggiedog 10 лет назад +21

      Fashion Earrings It all starts with "I know some good Muslims." In Cenk's case, it's his family. He doesn't want what Sam is saying to be true.

    • @ADayWithoutYesterday
      @ADayWithoutYesterday 10 лет назад +22

      You'll find Cenk's behaviour is very common among some Western ex-Muslims. They just aren't able to see Islam for what it is. It's almost like they are blinded in some way. Many people leave Islam for a variety of reasons. Those in the West, mainly the US, have been brought up in a Westernised version of Islam and tend to leave Islam because it just doesn't seem rational to them. It just doesn't make sense. Whereas those outside the West who've really tasted the bitterness of Islam leave because they find it immoral and monstrous. Cenk just can't acknowledge the Islam that Sam is referring to as being the norm, the orthodoxy which in fact it is. On Cenk's part there's also an element of sticking up for 'his people' that he feels he has to do. Watch the first minute of the video again and you will hear Cenk state he still has some allegiance/feelings towards Islam. Once he said that I knew how this conversation was going to pan out.

    • @fashionearrings
      @fashionearrings 10 лет назад +15

      I've half a mind to sit through this whole thing again this time with pen and paper and then rip to shreds every single point Of Cenk's that's gone awry and all over the place and then put them on here.. but I'm thinking "what's the point, what's the point?" I'm so upset. I'm not coming back here now. Keep your two timing swinging pendulums ( Reza Aslans) of the world.

    • @ausraider
      @ausraider 10 лет назад +1

      It's because Sams opinion is so bat shit crazy Cenk is thinking if I explain it to him in simple terms he might get it but Sam still doesn't get it. Jesus is better than Mohamed and Jesus has got more of a chance to show up in LA than Mississippi. Come on guys us atheists are suppose to be the smart ones, please don't listen to Sams dribble and repeat it to anyone.

  • @johnmertz2604
    @johnmertz2604 2 месяца назад +2

    Me, a Christian background atheist, watching a Muslim background atheist and a Jewish background atheist all trapped in a sympathetic position for our backgrounds. Can we all just recluse ourselves?

  • @suggestedusername6662
    @suggestedusername6662 5 лет назад +127

    The only way I could like Sam more is if he lit a cigar and did finger guns at the end of every debate.

  • @gagewesterhouse9558
    @gagewesterhouse9558 6 лет назад +341

    I've just realised, Cenk is Harris's Cathy Newman.

    • @kingkoua1
      @kingkoua1 6 лет назад +31

      Gage Westerhouse so what your saying is that Islam wants to be dominated by men?

    • @andrewness2641
      @andrewness2641 6 лет назад +12

      Hahaha
      So you're saying...

    • @Budo99
      @Budo99 5 лет назад +8

      SO what you're saying is Sam is a racist atheist who hates women.

    • @jens1567
      @jens1567 5 лет назад +4

      So what you're saying is that the moon is made out of cheese?

    • @nickburns904
      @nickburns904 5 лет назад +1

      I thought the same exact thing when I heard him say, "so what you're saying is?"

  • @Leperking4922
    @Leperking4922 5 лет назад +273

    Omg Cenk was outclassed. This was embarrassing. Like cringe worthy

    • @michalandrejmolnar3715
      @michalandrejmolnar3715 4 года назад +1

      You have a clear bias.

    • @patrickwalsh8913
      @patrickwalsh8913 4 года назад +20

      @@michalandrejmolnar3715 you're right, he is biased in favor of logic

    • @GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches
      @GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches 4 года назад +3

      *Of coooooouuuurse*

    • @upplsuckimcool16
      @upplsuckimcool16 4 года назад

      This was not an out classing at all. Sam convinces me more often of his position, but Cenk makes a great case on a lot of it. IfI weren't already of an opinion, this would not have been enough to sway me one way or another. (as it shouldn't for anyone, but I'm tlaking in the context of this is all we have.)

    • @cityman1111
      @cityman1111 4 года назад +3

      totally embarrassing for Cenk to think that he should be on the same stage as Sam Harris.

  • @RomeoRivera2C
    @RomeoRivera2C 2 месяца назад +2

    This conversation is more relevant than ever right now in October-November 2024

  • @codyhowell5234
    @codyhowell5234 5 лет назад +164

    I've never seen someone blatantly miss so many points in one conversation.

    • @josiahz21
      @josiahz21 5 лет назад +4

      You haven’t seen much debate I guess. Really good one with Jordan Peterson where the interviewer strawmans him like 30 times.

    • @codyhowell5234
      @codyhowell5234 5 лет назад +3

      @@josiahz21 The one with Cathy Newman? that one is terrible

    • @josiahz21
      @josiahz21 5 лет назад +3

      Cody Howell yes. Worst misrepresentation of a guest. She purposely didn’t look at his opinion and inserted her own into every single question. Like sam said smelling smoke and yelling fire when in actuality he was making toast.

  • @jameshayes2934
    @jameshayes2934 9 лет назад +513

    It is a disappointment that Cenk didn't seem to understand logic or reasoning and seemed more interested in rebutting rather than discussing

    • @neilwendylauren
      @neilwendylauren 9 лет назад +23

      IMO he does understand. He is being intellectually dishonest.

    • @neilwendylauren
      @neilwendylauren 9 лет назад +2

      ***** Good point

    • @freemanwalking1867
      @freemanwalking1867 9 лет назад

      James Hayes FUCK ALL U IGNORANT BIGOTS!

    • @TheMusterionOfRock
      @TheMusterionOfRock 9 лет назад +6

      borhanus Then watch it again, because you didn't understand what he said. He is not playing any blame game, but you have to be honest about that religions are not the same and some religions are worse than others.

    • @neilwendylauren
      @neilwendylauren 9 лет назад +6

      borhanus Then you need to read some of his books.
      The irony of your comment is that most of Harris's criticism is specifically directed at Christians.

  • @AndrewK209
    @AndrewK209 8 лет назад +1465

    Sam: **makes a valid point spelled out clear as day and everyone understands**
    Cenk: *"That's such a total excuse Sam!"*
    FACEPALM

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan 8 лет назад +8

      I think the reason why you think Cenk is being unreasonable is largely because of the way each other's body language moves when they discuss things.
      Sam Harris keeps a much much cooler leveled facial and body expression that Cenk does and I think because of how similar each other's points are, similar in relevance to the typical viewer's views, it does not help Cenk to be so outwardly emotive - it's not something he can change either - such techniques only work when your opponent in discussion has a massive point of difference from one's views.

    • @EdindroWhitehall
      @EdindroWhitehall 8 лет назад +109

      It's also because Cenk is mostly unreasonable in this video, and Sam is mostly correct.

    • @erik4097
      @erik4097 8 лет назад +18

      Yeah, I only listened to the video without watching the screen and had the exact same thought as op, so sorry, you're wrong with that analysis.

    • @lloyd8677
      @lloyd8677 8 лет назад

      sad but true...

    • @tomscully7489
      @tomscully7489 8 лет назад +39

      "I think the reason why you think Cenk is being unreasonable is largely because of the way each other's body language moves when they discuss things. "
      No, I think the reason has much more to do with Cenk actually being unreasonable.

  • @glenc5185
    @glenc5185 2 месяца назад +2

    19:06 Cenk is wrong. It’s more likely that "Jesus comes back" than "Jesus comes back to Missouri." The first scenario is a broader category than the second. The second possibility is a subset of the first. More specific conditions represents a smaller probability.
    1:06:41 Well this is awkward here in 2024.

  • @josephjohnson8502
    @josephjohnson8502 7 лет назад +508

    I'm surprised the comment section hasn't been disabled yet lol.

    • @richardv4211
      @richardv4211 7 лет назад +1

      Joseph Johnson lmao

    • @avatacron60
      @avatacron60 7 лет назад +6

      LMAO!!!!

    • @josephjohnson8502
      @josephjohnson8502 7 лет назад +5

      Seriously, lol.... This video alone can probably account for tens of thousands of unsubs... Libs usually cut off access to the information well when it doesn't help their cause.

    • @Demention94
      @Demention94 7 лет назад +16

      Joseph Johnson That's because the people in charge are disabled.

    • @Zorn101
      @Zorn101 7 лет назад +15

      The comment section is always mentally disabled.

  • @amanuelamanuel
    @amanuelamanuel 6 лет назад +190

    I can't believe Sam managed to try to comunicate with this guy for 3 hours. I would have lost my cool

    • @BastiaanvandeWerk
      @BastiaanvandeWerk 6 лет назад +1

      Well - I guess Sam has a bit of a sadist (or a masochist) in him. This was pure torture.

    • @Thisisahandle701
      @Thisisahandle701 6 лет назад +5

      @@BastiaanvandeWerk He has been meditating regularly for over 20 years

    • @ChaunceyDos
      @ChaunceyDos 5 лет назад

      His "interview" with Ezra Klein is almost as bad. Sam's composure is almost as impressive as his eloquence.

    • @TheSycaman
      @TheSycaman 5 лет назад

      Lol! You're a fanboy. You don't think for yourself. You aren't cool. I am sorry that l had to tell you.

    • @Darkpara1
      @Darkpara1 5 лет назад +2

      Harris is actually a vulcan, he's never lost his cool in a debate.

  • @vader1a
    @vader1a 8 лет назад +249

    I like to ask myself if Sam had said the same things as he stated about Islam but instead towards Christianity, would Cenk have had a problem?

    • @vader1a
      @vader1a 8 лет назад

      Totally.

    • @MrMarioSm
      @MrMarioSm 8 лет назад +17

      +starryian007 deep inside he still likes islam more than other religiouns (even though he doesnt belive it) he still protects it

    • @mlb5656
      @mlb5656 8 лет назад +2

      +vader1a I agree that he would have a different opinion, but not bc he was muslim. The left tends to shy away from criticizing minorities, less powerful etc. I agree with most of what Sam says, but when he criticizes Islam my first reaction is to say no Sam you're wrong. Only after I give it a few moments of thought I realize Sam makes a lot sense. So I think it has more to do with Cenk trying to stick up for the underdog.

    • @Snowy_Weather
      @Snowy_Weather 8 лет назад

      +vader1a Probably not. That's the saddest part.

    • @benatpc
      @benatpc 8 лет назад

      +MrMarioSm That and his hatred of Christians and Jews.

  • @Zeegoner
    @Zeegoner Месяц назад +2

    19:00 Sam is wrong. Mathematicians won’t refer probability theory - it will come down to discrete math 101… truth tables. “False implies true” is equally true as some other “false implies true”.

  • @deceo2119
    @deceo2119 5 лет назад +682

    I think I just found Sam's "Cathy newman"

    • @patrickwalsh8913
      @patrickwalsh8913 4 года назад +19

      Sam: makes nuanced, educated statement.
      Cenk: I'm 50/50 on that

    • @bernardcurtin1524
      @bernardcurtin1524 4 года назад

      Touchè

    • @micahvandervaart8533
      @micahvandervaart8533 4 года назад +3

      Was trying to think of a comment that would be most accurate. This is it haha
      Feels like Sam is playing chess, Cenk is playing checkers, or trying to colour within the lines.

    • @micahvandervaart8533
      @micahvandervaart8533 4 года назад +1

      Got 34 minutes in, and had to turn it off. Cenk cannot unpack anything Sam says. I am not a fan of Sams beliefs, but he’s a genius, extremely patient and articulate, and I’d have a beer with the guy any day.

    • @diabl2master
      @diabl2master 4 года назад +1

      It's a decent comparison. Both enjoy misrepresenting their interlocutors positions. Cenk does it more subtly, however, but still blatant and pathetic.

  • @keithprice7119
    @keithprice7119 8 лет назад +137

    I love how Cenk has a pile of papers in front of him to help him along, Sam just has a glass of water and the knowledge that Cenk is a buffoon.

    • @milleram421f
      @milleram421f 7 лет назад +12

      Some where but deff not all of them did you watch the video he looks for Sam's quotes multiple times in those papers. He even comments a few times one such being "I can not find your quote I have over 100 papers here" or something pretty close to that.

    • @fluke8928
      @fluke8928 7 лет назад +2

      K3ITH Price the pile of papers is questions from viewers you idiot lol

    • @amyanderson4099
      @amyanderson4099 4 года назад

      Religion poisons everything. Full stop.

  • @boyeyob1
    @boyeyob1 6 лет назад +302

    Somewhere on that set, Dave Rubin is cringing hard

    • @derrickk773
      @derrickk773 6 лет назад +4

      He quit for his own show

    • @aggsar4411
      @aggsar4411 6 лет назад +26

      He did quit, but not before cringing hard, on that set, during this interview :p

    • @errands8253
      @errands8253 6 лет назад +2

      was he here at this point? he must of been so embarrassed

    • @boyeyob1
      @boyeyob1 6 лет назад +2

      @@errands8253 the pivotal point of him leaving TYT. He said so himself on the Joe Rogan podcast

    • @-Foxer-
      @-Foxer- 6 лет назад +5

      Somewhere on that set, Dave Rubin is thinking he can make more money as a sell out.

  • @zmo1ndone502
    @zmo1ndone502 Месяц назад

    The way Sam just manhandles Cenk with the most calm and articulate voice imaginable is just FANTASTIC.

  • @eleanorfitz2143
    @eleanorfitz2143 9 лет назад +629

    Cenk seems unwilling to give Sam an inch in trying to understand what he's actually saying. Could have been a much more effective dialogue if he had attempted to do so.

    • @Nycad2k
      @Nycad2k 9 лет назад +25

      ***** Dude, look at all the other comments. For the plurality of top comments, the initial remark is responded to germanely. But because she's a woman, you disregard the content, and only compliment her on her looks. I'm not down with the whole micro-aggression, SJW froth, but jesus, at least establish a pretense for your trivializing response. :\

    • @98bigbutt
      @98bigbutt 9 лет назад +7

      I saw clips of this video and as a TYT fan, I was disappointed with Cenk and his ultimately cutting off Sam Harris' points of view with the truth of these Islamic Jihadists are causing the most trouble in this world through mass murder and avoiding the topic to not accept the realities of these atrocities. Good job Sam Harris.

    • @thinkverse-n5k
      @thinkverse-n5k 9 лет назад

      Eleanor Fitz u look like a racist

    • @OscarGonzalezTheRealOne
      @OscarGonzalezTheRealOne 9 лет назад +5

      Totally agree Eleanor Fitz. This interview had so much more potential.

    • @deadshot1995
      @deadshot1995 9 лет назад +8

      Eleanor Fitz It seems every time Sam makes a valid point and backs it up with strong evidence, Cenk has to go back to acting as if he's being somehow intolerant or stereotypical, no matter how clear Sam makes it that this isn't the case.

  • @MaddinW1993
    @MaddinW1993 8 лет назад +209

    Take a shot every time Cenk agrees with himself

  • @Tommah1000
    @Tommah1000 7 лет назад +531

    The intellectual distance between these two men is quite astounding.

    • @NRGFL0
      @NRGFL0 7 лет назад +17

      It's like watching a football player discuss islam with a scholarly person... oh wait...

    • @iDalisMediaTV
      @iDalisMediaTV 7 лет назад +23

      I disagree, in fact Cenk continues throughout the interview to rephrase and wrap his questions up for the audience, he may have to work on his expressive wide eyed nature which lends itself to you thinking he may not be as intellectually prowess as Sammy boy....but I disagree. He in fact as the interviewer, has a much greater burden than Sam since he has to carry the interview, keep the pace, know the next question, listen in the moment and keep the audience informed all at the same time.
      Which is alot harder than it looks.

    • @danieljohansson3082
      @danieljohansson3082 7 лет назад +17

      Watching this discussion made me feel like Cenks mom must be his dads cousin.

    • @Thegrandvoodoo
      @Thegrandvoodoo 7 лет назад +2

      +iDalisMediaTV
      Hosting an interview is a sign of intellectual prowess? do you know how dumb that is? something tells me that you would be unable to think your way out of cardboard box.

    • @kevinparsley6806
      @kevinparsley6806 7 лет назад +4

      One of them is trained in philosophy, where one class would teach focus on truth values and how to construct arguments. Frankly, some of the arguments, while valid are not constructive. The goal of those arguments are clearly to illustrate that divide, and ultimately to discredit.

  • @moathdw910
    @moathdw910 8 месяцев назад +5

    I would never get bored listining to Sam! I love his logic and his way of expressing things!

  • @KyleClements
    @KyleClements 7 лет назад +537

    Cenk is trying so hard to misinterpret what Sam Harris is saying. Is it deliberate dishonesty on Cenk's part, or just his profound ignorance showing?

    • @longgone23
      @longgone23 7 лет назад +2

      What you call misinterpret is him being critical?

    • @zylo999
      @zylo999 7 лет назад +37

      When he cannot even find common ground on the definition of the basic laws of probability, yes I do think he is misinterpreting.

    • @longgone23
      @longgone23 7 лет назад +4

      Well, he might not be much of a philosopher. But that wasn't the most important point in the debate was it? For example his points about slippery slop of torture is not a bad one, just because Harris manages to sound more brainy and logical doesn't mean he is right. Now it's Trump's presidency. I'm glad torture is not allowed.

    • @shannongoatright7025
      @shannongoatright7025 7 лет назад +22

      I don't think it's deliberate, I think there's suggestion shown throughout the video that Cenk is unable to detach his own bias from his viewpoints.

    • @hittman1412
      @hittman1412 7 лет назад +14

      Cenk is just dumb.

  • @innerdescent8210
    @innerdescent8210 4 года назад +509

    Sam: makes valid and reasonable point
    Cenk: Completely misunderstands, jumps to conclusions and gets offended -_-

    • @rizzioni
      @rizzioni 4 года назад +10

      Almost not believable that as Sam explains people in North Korea may need 20 years to get to democracy, Cenk needs to clarify that he isn't saying north koreans are incapable of democracy... It is actually painful.

    • @Dikkaaawas
      @Dikkaaawas 4 года назад

      + of couuuuuurse

    • @t-man5196
      @t-man5196 4 года назад

      You’re projecting

    • @adamdavis1648
      @adamdavis1648 3 года назад +4

      I've never seen Sam make a valid or reasonable point.

    • @t-man5196
      @t-man5196 3 года назад +2

      @@adamdavis1648 I was thinking the same thing m8

  • @kingspud1983
    @kingspud1983 Год назад +327

    It's been 9 years. I want to see a redo of this conversation.

    • @tenbroeck1958
      @tenbroeck1958 Год назад

      Just listen to Cenk on the war in Israel. He starts sweating with anger defending the Palestinians, but his blood pressure is totally unaffected by Jewish babies getting decapitated. He lies to everyone, and perhaps himself, trying to look like he's impartial.

    • @albertomartinez714
      @albertomartinez714 Год назад +1

      Same. Harris raked Cenk over the coals so I doubt it will happen again.

    • @harryroadman1089
      @harryroadman1089 Год назад +13

      Yes please

    • @valley3343
      @valley3343 Год назад

      What why? Cenk is an idiot...we need to hear intellectuals...waste of Sam's time.

    • @Gbbb239
      @Gbbb239 Год назад

      Cenk is still an idiot… it doesn’t need a redo.

  • @lydiam-j986
    @lydiam-j986 8 лет назад +127

    I wonder how many times Sam thought to himself "ugh I wish Hitch was here... My pure and elegant reasoning is not penetrating, I need this guy to be intellectually head butted right now and I'm too nice to do it... Hitch, miss you bro"

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex 8 лет назад

      penetrating hehe giggidy

    • @DmitryIvanAlyosha80
      @DmitryIvanAlyosha80 8 лет назад +3

      Entirely agree that Sam is too nice. I understand where he's coming from in being nice as he probably doesn't want a shouting match to ensue, but Hitch was someone who could be harsh in a way that was constructive. I miss Christopher every day.

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex 8 лет назад

      in a way hitch was gentler more mild than Sam though..

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex 8 лет назад

      how did you find out about it RetroKitten?

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex 8 лет назад

      but first comment was the back alive one... why would you get notifications before that?