Sam Harris vs Konstantin Kisin: Wokeism, Corruption, Israel-Hamas, Trump, DEI & Migrant Crisis
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
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Get ready to explore the responsibility of influential voices in shaping public discourse, confronting controversial ideas with critical thinking, and striving to maintain the balance between chaos and order in an ever-evolving digital age.
In today’s episode of Impact Theory, I’m joined by Sam Harris and Konstantin Kisin to dive deep and debate the pressing issues surrounding misinformation, corruption, credibility, and the societal impact of distorted realities.
Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, philosopher, best-selling author, and podcast host whose work focuses on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live.
Konstantin Kisin is a Russian-born comedian, author, and podcast host that explores complex topics with a blend of humor and serious inquiry, making acute observations about modern societal trends and challenges.
Together, we dissect the challenges of navigating the modern information landscape, combatting cognitive biases, and championing the pursuit of truth in a world where truth itself seems increasingly elusive.
We also discuss:
- Importance of Pursuing Truth and Independent Thinking
- Overcoming Bias in Perception
- Influence of Social Media on Discourse and Truth
- Necessity of Error Correction in Knowledge Growth
- Challenges in Determining Truth and Reality
- Media Influence on Public Opinion and Reality
- Individual Rights in the West
- Upholding Liberal Democracy
From addressing controversial figures to defending Western values, we explore the power of truth, the challenges of social media, and the quest for meaningful discourse in a world filled with noise.
CHAPTER MARKERS:
[0:00] Tools distort reality
[21:48] Ideas & the truth
[41:15] Historical context matters
[1:00:46] The spread of misinformation
[1:21:54] Carefully engage with criticism
[1:38:55] Protecting democracy and capitalism
POWERFUL QUOTES FROM THE DEBATE:
"They notice a signal in their audience. They notice an appetite for a certain message, and because they're incentivized to feed that signal, they do it, and they wind up becoming radicalized by their audience."
- Sam Harris
"The truth matters because there is a reality. And if we're not tracking it to some pragmatic approximation in our lives, we're just going to bump into hard objects."
- Sam Harris
"You can always find a crazy PhD, or a PhD who's semi crazy and has just a hobby horse that he can't get off of, who will attest anything, no matter how crazy."
- Sam Harris
"I don't think it's an accident that democracy, the combination of democracy and capitalism and political freedom has been this engine of wealth and creativity. And we should want to defend that because the alternatives, all the alternatives that we know about suck, right?"
"I think the fragmentation of our reality is a really scary thing."
- Konstantin Kisin
"We have now reached a stage where we're not talking about the truth. We are now pandering, playing to our audience, compensating for our own psychological traumas."
- Konstantin Kisin
"I think that being interested in what's ultimately true is the way that we can overcome our inclination to believe things that charismatic people tell us, to believe things that match what we already believe."
- Konstantin Kisin
"I have found that, I think in the US, those kind of ideas about how the world is and who runs it and all of that seem to have a way broader appeal than they do in the UK, where I live."
- Konstantin Kisin
"The reason our system works is because we have created incentive structures that take us forward that mean that talented, inventive, creative, driven, passionate, smart people can profit from that talent, can profit from their own hard work and retain what they create."
- Konstantin Kisin
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@@lifeisagift5627
Hi Tom. I despise your lazy timestamps, the bare minimum and specifically ambiguous to make us watch more ¬¬
I love all the rest...
Sam Harris does not want you to know about the Operation Northwoods and lavon affair
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Frankly, after 28 minutes of this it just sounded like “my intellect is bigger than your intellect and my false humility is deeper than your false humility”. This conversation has one too many people in it and his thinly masked massive egoism and self denial of partisanship poisoned the conversation for me.
Agreed
Agree, that's what most of these debates are turning into.
Well said.
Absolutely
I'd call it 'la la kabba-lah'
Sam won't debate RFK for the same reason he won't debate Bret Weinstein. People who aren't willing to engage but are bent on Gish Galloping and making a frustrating discussion all the while gaining a platform that neither deserve.
How much does Sam pay you for your services
@@HarryPainter Yup...another nasty comment from yet another weak as fk, no name troll....
1st "gish galloping"? 2nd, bret weinstein is a fool.
Quick G search....works every time...Bret is a "fool" for selling out. Likely smarter than average which is why it's a shame he sold out. Ah well...
I may not always agree 100% with Harris, but he is one of those men that people should listen closer. He doesn't deserve the hate he got from some liberals, freethinkers and intellectuals. *
* and conservatives!
You forgot the conservatives in your list which probably give him the most hate, as you can see in the comments.
dunkel
He absolutely does. He's completely tone deaf and he keeps bringing up bad arguments trying to downplay police racism and brutality which the black community knew was an issue before social media. Trying to rely on stats from the same system that targets black people seems quite incoherent (especially when they lie on police reports etc and are often times believed without much question or probing). Not to mention the fact that police departments weren't recording their killings of civilians until these movements and protests. Can you believe that? A government agency not bothering to account for and make record of the lives they've taken of civilians? So trying to use these stats to say something about how many black people have been killed by police compared to any other group or how they're treated by police makes no sense because a large part of that information wasn't recorded
He says this even after these movements have at least shown that when police are questioned some prove worthy of prison for killings that previously might been assumed to be justified. Investigations have also shown whole police departments to be full of rabid racists, or rouge individuals who openly target and abuse black individuals repeatedly. Treating people like they're foolish and have no sense of reality and what's right and wrong and are just puppets of social media isn't going to get you far no matter how intelligent or eloquent you sound.
@@chrisocony
As someone who spends most of his time attacking the left unless the right is saying something absolutely bonkers like the earth is flat or the vaccine has demons, i think it's well deserved from both sides. From the left because of course he constantly attacks them, and the right because it's a beautiful irony that he panders to them on social issues and how 'crazy the left is' and they still attack him. He was their beloved genius before he stepped on their toes
Furthurmore, you cannot pick and choose stats. Numbers and statistics do lie and depending on the way you sample it, the regression you use, it can provide a greatly different picture. Therefore, either he accept the police brutality stats and the Israel Palestine Stats, or he accept neither. In this case, it is just simply hypocrisy.
@@Scoring57wow. You are so far down the rabbit hole. Crazy!
What a great conversation. I have not listened to Tom Bilyeu’s podcast before and I came here because of Sam and Konstantinos, but the discussion covers several issues that requires more than just sound bites.
@@Flarb1117Exactly. He so wants Neocon Ukraine war
While I disagree with Sam on a few issues, I cant fathom how so many here roundy dismiss him. His take on George Floyd/BLM was one of the few voices of reason at that time, and thats a big deal, and he has always been spot on with Islam when so few white westerners dare to even question it!
Sam is great on many topics, not all, but many. I think people completely lose it when he is not on the same side as them on their pet topic or theory. Everything seems so cultish nowadays, unfortunately.
They don't like sam because he's been around for a long time.. Kisin and Tom haven't... just BS. None of them can hold a candle to Sam's intellectual depth
@giltuito1545 I agree to some extent. I have followed and read Sam for 20 years now. He is amazing on the important topics. The only problem I have with Sam personally is that he spends too little time on the threats to society and civilization. I get that he is tired of that and wants to focus on the positive sides instead. I just find that he is losing some of the ground he has gained by doing that. And for not enough benefits to civilization from his other interests.
A self proclaimed “intellectual” should be openminded and always remain objective. When it comes to Trump, Sam has lost all objectivity and often cited known media lies as fact.
Based on this alone, he has lost all credibility as an “intellectual”. How can you trust an “intellectual” who repeats media lies?
Because of his insane and emotional takes on Trump and COVID. That is why. It’s hard to stomach his condescending fake intellectualism in light of those.
In the middle of this conversation, Bilyeu pauses to shill for an outfit selling gold to a fearful public. Beyond belief.
Are those gold sellers lowkey a scam? Or just a suboptimal investment. I’m doubtful it outcompetes mutual funds especially going through two middle men on the way. Idk though.
First of all it's a sponsor of the show ok. Secondly if you are opposed to a show advertising to people to consider gold (or crypto) vs fiat currency as an investment then you aren't paying attention to what is happening.
If he hosts Peter Schiff, I’m definitely going to have to unsubscribe
They were shills the whole damn show
I think this is called advertisements … which will pay him in full instead of RUclips adds where you get less or nothing depending on how much your content aligns with the RUclips thought police….
Also better then “join my investment Seminar bla bla” which I see in my RUclips adds…
"being interested in what's ultimately true is the way that we can overcome out inclination to believe things that charismatic people tell us"
Konstantin's answer for why truth is important is great!
Excellent sit-down Tom. Having shows with guests such as these gentlemen precisely separates you from Rogan. Consistently.
Except that Rogan had Sam on years ago.........more than once, I believe.
@@tomdivittis2688 Kisin has been on Rogan multiple times as well.
Sam Harris was how I discovered Joe Rogan in 2016
That very interesting. It's almost like you have never listened to Rogan's show.
We can't know the truth without honesty and that's thin on the ground.
these dudes are simply pretending to be objective when it's obvious on many levels they are totally bias and agenda driven . Mostly , they over simplify and generalize on many subjects in order to appeal to their base . It's more like politics than journalism
We can have honesty...We can have the Trivium and critical thinking.
Nicely put
Somebody said this about people being interviewed: "If they're not anxious, they're not honest."
Precisely. This is why the West is failing massively in the Academies right now with respect to doing real Science. Liars are not capable of doing Science because Science is the pursuit of Truth.
For an intelligent guy, Sam Harris has been profoundly wrong on too many issues.
Just because your smart doesn’t make you immune to being wrong. If anything sometimes it makes the problem worse. They can convince themselves of things because they think there too smart to be wrong.
I agree
It's even worse that he can't admit to being wrong.
I dont think hes that intelligent i think hes arrogant
100%
I’m so disappointed in him. He used to be a bit of a hero of mine. But lately….he’s just lost his way.
53:01 "Contrite" doesn't mean what he thinks it means.
Those who compare Sam carefully against the Sam of 10 years ago will see a marked decline in his verbal bitrate when talking about politics or covid. He is on other subjects strangely still highly articulate (Israel v Palestine). I wonder how his verbal acuity drops so dramatically on just a few subjects.
Sam never mentioned a lying democrat.
@JoeHarnden1991
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This is the thing with Sam. He can always bring up trump and how he’s bad but when you start with how deeply rooted the corruption is he never bring up those people .
How can you be honest when your baseline is always trump and will never oust anyone else who actually created the corruption that’s deeply rooted in Big Pharma, the government or the military.
Trump was on TV and a real estate / entrepreneur .
He didn’t create the issues we have in America. He called them out . That’s why people agree with him. And with Sam. But we don’t all think trump is the reason.
We have been living with 3 years of lying Democrats and they know they can lie because the MSM and people like Sam Harris won’t hold them accountable,
Honesty means calling out the mistakes of both sides. In other words Sam is not honest.
Well, they're just not as proficient at it. You have to pick your battles.
Probably because he couldn't pick just one, I mean where would you begin?
Great and very intelligent discussion!
How is this a debate if the monitor keeps interjecting his opinions?
He loves the sound of his own voice, unlike anyone else.
He talks a lot and says absolutely nothing
Tom is insufferable. He has two fascinating guests and can’t help but try to inject himself into it. It’s pure ego and a lack of self awareness.
Well, I get you, but also because it it's a debate on his podcast, with him as mediator, not at a university. It's perfectly reasonable to expect.
Never vibes with the dude...a try hard ? Or soemthing?
Its a bit obnoxious when the ad breaks are midsentence, i get that its to come in a moment when we are the least prone to stop watching but it really messes up the flow of listening to the point where it becomes difficult to understand the full context
it's deliberate
Use a browser that support ad-blocking.
I finally got fed up with the constant ads and got an ad blocker for RUclips. They don't seem to realize that their users have limits. I can now listen to conversations like this as I work, without ads running on and on and on unless I go to the computer and click through them. These ads that run forever unless clicked through is so obnoxious, and RUclips FAFO. Now I don't have to deal with them at all.
@@headdown1I do this for computer but haven't found one for Android
some of my favorite people to listen to but they all seem to be flailing and stumbling terribly this time??? I can't figure out what's going wrong but its a painful watch.
They are avoiding elephants in the room
@@420prole i think you called it.
Ego.
Tom as discussion cop is a buzz kill.
Did the zios not even mention zioland? It's hard to be openly supportive of the most despised nation in history....
Lots of salty Tucker fans in the comments. Ignore them, this was insightful and enjoyable.
I couldn't find the cost of membership to be a subscriber, so you offer an option to be a member for retail traders? If so what is the cost? Thanks in advance!
I'm 75% in, and it basically sounds like Sam considers himself to be the arbiter of truth. He also believes that all info should be filtered through the institutions that have a record of being untrustworthy.
Which institutions are untrustworthy?
I cannot wait until Sam’s children grow up & turn his world upside down.
CDC and FDA
Yes and yes. I understand his position that trusted institutions are a prerequisite for a functioning modern civilization, but he simply fails to understand that our current institutions have lost that trust with their words and actions. In their current form, they do not serve the purpose they exist for.
@@nilsengell8479all of them?
Some interesting talking points, but everyone comes across as very self important
Not everyone can come across as humble as Tucker Carlson 😂😂😂
Wait until you find out that the Islam hatred these guys spread into the world is because they aren’t actually here to be anti-woke
I read it as more frustrated and tired of the situation. It's mostly a losing battle against a populace that lacks the awareness to not allow social media trash their societies with their own help.
Konstantin is great. Sam has great insights. This Tom guy is TEDIOUS!
Didn't watch it yet, but I never understood why people care about this. The points are either good or bad. Attitude is less important.
Thanks Tom for hosting important debates that may help avert our civilisation from self combusting.
I like Konstantins slight reaction to having Sam interrupt him after interrupting Sam a few minutes before and then almost immediately after. Also the hosts backwards hat🧢 lol very funny👍
Would it have been less funny if the peak of his hat was forwards?
@@realMaverickBuckley...uhhhh
YES
whew
Doesn't seem like a debate but I appreciated the conversation! Great video
Filled with the customary Trump Derangement Syndrome
If we all just took all the time spent listening to these podcasts and took a walk outside instead we would all be immeasurably better off.
Largely true. But the issue is, if you don't navigate your path, other people will. And one day , you might find yourself in a position where you're not allowed to leave your house for the walk.
I'm walking my dog while listening.
i do both. walking outside is overrated.
I listen while walking outside
😄😄😄 Yeah, too much yap yap but they can't seem to say anything profound or insightful. People like this refuse to actually engage with conversation they're having
Good conversation, ty.
Sam Harris you got a new follower. Love your train of thought.
Agreed I wish Constantine would just listen to Sam because usually he’s right. The people touting and agenda would not be on a podcast with Sam though. That leaves Constantine and he doesn’t seem up to the task.
@@FighterFlash KONSTANTIN WANTS TO STILL PANDER TO THE EXTREME RIGHT.
@@pdcdesign9632bollocks
The internet has become the same 12 or so people having the same 10 or so conversations on the same 5 or so podcasts. Everyone has their "thing" and all they do is hammer on it. It's the never ending book tour. I don't doubt most of these people get into this for the "right reasons" but I think all end up getting addicted to the smell of their own farts.
I hear you. I started listening to this stuff during Covid but holy jeezus it has descended into babble and jibber jabber that is impossible to listen to. It’s pointless BS and yes they just go on each other’s shows to display their egos and promote their books and products. Ugh. Back to the books for me.
wtf? I think you literally might be too dumb to be listening to this. Go watch some rogan
So true.
It is true though in that this space really needs some new fresh minds ..At this point there is so much overlap with guests and the thousands of podcasts out there. I still enjoy listening to Sam Harris a few others though
What’s strange is I’m not seeing any young up and coming intellectuals . Why isn’t academia producing more of them?
Tell us more all wise one
There have been multiple attempts to have good faith debates between someone representing the ivory tower types and those on fringe opinion side. The ivory tower types don't show up. They often give the excuse of not wanting to "dignity" or "platform" the other side with a debate.
are you referring to Sam not wanting to platform Bret Weinstein? If not, name several examples?
And for good reason.
@@shannontreiber1070The good reason being that the ivory tower types are afraid to have their bubbles burst for all the Internet to see?
Harris is too dumb to understand how obvious his hypocrisy and TDS is.
@@qwerty123457891 One of a hundred examples.
Thank you
In any conversation there are two driving desires. Each party has a personal desire to reach a personal goal and a joint desire to state the most likely description of reality. The truth is when we both agree to set aside our personal desires, and instead, find a true description of reality.
Forty minutes into this conversation and I'm no better off than where I started. It's better to have them start off debating.
Sure you didn't just miss how the points apply to you as well?
@@hartyewh1 Even if they did, what difference does it make?
@@RBurns80 Would be worthwhile for him to know that the issue lies at the other end of the equation. A lot of this talk involved the meta level of such podcasts and information dissemination in society which arguably is more important than any individual topic since from Ukraine to the culture wara it is the most difficult and apparently influential aspect beyond any factual or practical concerns.
@@hartyewh1 The issue lies on all ends of the equation. That's the point. Sam is just as much trapped in his bubble as we are in ours. Most of what he said is absolute hogwash that he uses opportunistically and hypocritically to claim what he believes is true or reasonable, and what everyone else believes is irrational, biased, and downright evil. He is so obnoxious and wrong I can't stand listening to him. Sam isn't made of a finer clay than I. With that said, I gave him the benefit of the doubt a few years back when he admitted that all humans have cognitive-dissonance(including himself). He described it as two people looking at the same screen and watching two different movies. This was back when Trump was president and Sam had had a bad case of Trump-Derangement syndrome. He was annoying his audience so he at least showed some humility in accepting the possibility that he might be wrong. But he seems to have forgot all of that and now just rants about how stupid the rest of us are.
@@RBurns80 Anyone who unironically says TDS has TDSS (Trump Derangement Syndrome Syndrome) where they have at least an equally warped view of reality as the worst anti-Trump screechers. I also noticed you didn't give a single example presumably to avoid having to support any part of what you said.
Weird. Sam tells a story about rfk and jake tapper and uses it to discredit rfk. How does he know tappers version is True? Tapper lies all the time. But sam seems to miss this important fact because if his biases
Tapper has the emails and proof. Check it out.
Right??? This really stood out to me as a ridiculous take.
Who honestly believes that RFK tells the truth more than Tapper? lol.
@@jackeagleeye3453but he works at CNN
Can you give me 3 times Jake tapper lied so I can look them up and read about them? I consider Jake Tapper to be an honest journalist, so if you have some instances of him lying, I'd like to know about it so I can update my opinion of him.
Keep up the good work Sam, Konstantin, Tom. The termites of partisan gullibility and identity politics have spread, even to your audiences. But you remain unshakeable defenders of integrity and critical thinking.
This is where conversation needs to be. The salty, crybaby Tucker fans in the comments aside, most truth is somewhere in the middle as the old adage says.
We need to reject both extremes, try our hardest to find the truth in the middle, and make rational, non emotional decisions based on the facts. Whether or be politics, religion, or whatever topic we take on.
Great convo
Some serious brain damage from “free thinkers” in this comment section
Fabian socialism has its particulars especially during the developmental phase .
Actual scholars wouldn’t debate norm Finkelstein? Benny morris has multiple times- Alan Dershowitz has- this is knowingly misleading
I think sam actually said many scholars probably wouldnt debate him, not that nobody would
I thought he was trying to insult konstantin
@@jeffcapesyeah that’s true I didn’t hear that quite right - but Sam’s argument is still that people shouldn’t interview Norm because he’s slightly eccentric? He has spent 40 years studying Gaza.
@@andrewm4767 I think im more with konstantin on this, if you think someone is wrong, the best antidote is sunlight, but sam isnt totally wrong, if you give everyone a mic there will just be a lot of noise to signal ratio
@@jeffcapes 100% agree
I think the truth matters because true things fit together. Lies don't fit with the truth. You know there's a lie because it doesn't fit with what we already know is the truth. When you get all your truths together, you can grow from that.
Circular logic is truth. Love it!
Studio lighting and set up are so dope over here!
Unpopular opinion: this conversation is going nowhere. Around, in circles.
Popular with me. What a waste of time. Who gives a crap what these idiots think about ANYTHING!
Agreed. To some degree I blame Tom bilyeu....Bilyeu presents himself confidently and he speaks clearly ....and therefore people (including himself) consider him intellectual.....but he's not....Tom is no more an intellectual than max lugavere...or Aubrey Marcus.. ..or any number of well spoken successful and confident entrepreneurs
@@ghost9-9ghostyes. The language he uses feels a little inauthentic. There’s something forced. I don’t know how to describe it well, the only word that comes to mind is “yuppy”. Yuppy speak. Lol 🤷🏻♀️ It feels fake tho.
@@mammabear4342I agree. It's both impressive and.. idk, condemning in way. I've never cared for him, his interviews or his personal input into the conversations. Hes very mediocre in my opinion.. but here he is, with a very successful podcast despite these short comings. So at least hes determined, has built a functional team and is able to secure interesting guests largely. Hes simply willed his way to success and I watch some of his content despite not particularly caring for it. So hats off to him for that much.
@@Mr.Amazing-vx3li that’s a respectable, fair and charitable perspective. Respect 🫡
The least corrupt institution we’ve had???
He said hes open to the possibility that institutions are the least corrupt they have been relative to the past. Is that too hard to understand for you Kevin, that you had to be a reactionary and type that with three interrogation marks without even understanding what is being said? I bet you vote for trump, Kevin.
@@lordjaraxxus663based
Department of cute kitty cats is pretty clean
I thought this was a ridiculous statement also.
As opposed to every other time prior to now in u.s. history, almost certainly. Like saying "the most technologically advanced we've ever been." It doesn't mean it can't get better/less corrupt but that the past was worse/more corrupt.
So much to say!... that keeps turning into two hundred word essays, so I'll just say: I enjoyed this talk very much. Thanks.
Wow Tom-great intellectuals to have on.👏🏼
I'm happy about the WHO treaty have been paused for now, have any of these guys talked about that? It concerns every human on earth 🤔
It's all a Distraction to what's really going on! The WHO treaty DOES concern every human being!!!!
Too much arrogance.
So true.. Sam Harris is unwatchable. I didn’t make it 30 minutes in.
@@Verbalslipislamophobes masquerading as atheists....bad! on top of that genocide deniers..just terrible,maybe i should buy some gold,just to not feel so sad
Yea seriously
He honestly thinks he is the only one that can properly comprehend and disseminate information.
@@ashleystovalldaman exactly
Enjoyed every minute
Speaking about corruption. It is not how much they corrupt. If you corrupt, you corrupt. It is how much we ,the public, let them go away with it. Nowadays, in general, the public is clueless and oblivious about events around the world and inside the country. Divided, religiously support their leaders and agendas. It conditions perfect soil for corruption to grow without much resistance.
I agree, it amazes me how many people support the very system that wants to control them and take away their freedoms
The degree of corruption is definitely important
@MrNikeNicke yes, but thief is a thief. If you let him, he will steal everything. Same with politicians, they all corrupt. If we let them, they will steal everything. With public being oblivious and ignorant, basically that is what happens nowadays. They do what they want and getting away.
I inappropriately count evidence that conforms with my systems and you inappapropiately discount evidence that doesn't conform with your systems. As long as I know you discount evidence I know to be true, due only to the fact that it doesn't conform with your systems, I would then disregard the things you say in general regardless of their future truth.
You nailed it.
Great Scott the Gamer, you stated what is happening on both the human and anti-human sides of these debates. We need to hear people describe the evidence and counter evidence with acknowledgement that we may be starting to teeter towards concepts we found inconceivable prior to the US triple eclipse. Like free energy, being motivated when not working, humanity with zero meds, cancer treatment suppression globally, icewalls, polar shifts, weather control, power/refrigeration suppression, intentional Maui and CA destruction, international starvation and food supply issues due to Holland farm confiscation, and currency/money might be shifted away from digital, bc, gold, fiat and/or CBDC.... Who knows long term. But more and more evidence of the inconceivable keeps mounting just like false flags that drive nefarious people & bankers to war, but this time people are actually moving the curtains to find the veils that are getting lifted globally. And evidence is being searched instead of forcefed while tools are being designed to weed out top down anti-human agendas and fakes.
Without truth there is no reality.
So what do we do?
@@NicBur-td8jl Define Truth!
sam can twist, turn, flip, sault and do verbal gymnastics -- yet he doesn't know what truth is. Without truth, he is just the same as RFK from a different perspective/world view. He feels he's right on every topic he speaks on, and anyone that disagree with him are conspiracy theorists, spreaders of disinformation, etc.
Two sides of the same coin.
Very interesting stuff!
In my opinion and I’m nobody. It is nice to just hear a conversation. I know people like “ winning” but sometimes we just need ideas expressed so that they can properly destroyed later.
Joe does push back on wild claims, especially from political types. Cat Williams and Terrance Howard are comedian/actors that no one takes serious so push back isn’t warranted. They don’t have the influence that political types do
Joe NEVER truly pushes back. One time: Candace Owens on climate change. Else-he lets them run with a few questions here and there.
Ehh Joe is very prejudiced or picky when it comes to which guests he will use back against. For whatever reason it seems he is terrified of pushing back on his black guests unless it is Candace Owens . As of late though he really does need to have more leftists on his show .. I say that as a guy that’s on the right
@@shannontreiber1070and Crowder on weed. And Shapiro on systemic racism. And Walsh on gays. Only a few, and only from the right.
@@user-he6rs8xi7uthose seem like things most would push back on.😅
@@brianmeen2158what have the black guest said that warranted pushback on?
All these comments are exactly what i expected. Sam harris is unbearable to listen too
So your echo chamber is confirmed?
@@richardfraser7024 nah he just doest understands sams superiority like sam does
@@richardfraser7024 it always is, somewhere.
It’s what I expected, in that it’s nothing but ad hominem and not a critique of anything Sam has said.
@@richardfraser7024 lame comment.
Sam is hilarious. All the smart people without tds are siding with trump. How would he explain that?
We still do not know the full effect on kids getting dozens of vaccines. I have never heard RFK make a comment on HIV.
You know, Sam, RFK has asked to debate your “credible” pro-vaccine people. Peter Hoetez was offered a debate on Rogan and 1 million to the charity if his choice, and declined.
What is RFK supposed to do when no one will give him a debate.
If it is so foolproof as you present it, vaccines, take RFK out in the subject once and for all.
But yes the debate on Rogan … Petered out shall we say
RFK doesn't debate in good faith, plus other scientists have offered to debate RFK and he never accepts their challenge
Sam has stated many times before why he doesn't do these types of debates anymore... RFK will come on and immediately start a bunch of small fires that Sam has to spend the whole time trying to put out... its a trap
I will debate him. Do you think he wants to debate me?
Hotez will not debate RFK Jr. nor anyone else with knowledge of GOF research, WIV and COVID origins; much less those who have read the emails between Peter Daszak, Hotez, et al. Nor does he want to discuss the funding status of NIH grant AI098775. To do so would likely be highly self-incriminating.
@@jackeagleeye3453so why would he reach out to Peter if he doesn't accept debates with other scientists?
But Sam the idea that corporate and political interests influence the consensus of experts is not an "extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence"
Depends on the specific instance of influence
Exactly. His intellectual blind spot is SOO massive, it's difficult to continue to engage with him.That said I do like Eric Weinstein's comment regarding Sam, that he needs to be supported, not shunned. He still has a contribution to make, just on certain topics I'll pay no attention
If you walk the Earth assuming that consensus opinions, by definition, shouldn't be trusted, you'll be wrong about things far more often than you'll be right.
Some people make organize their lives and careers around find topics upon which they can be the lone voice shouting a contrary opinion at the rain. And many many many people organize their lives around finding and gravitating toward such people.
@@ASimoneau but to never question that consensus can also be a mistake too, the hoax papers affair with peter boghossian, james lindsay and helen pluckrose has shown there are a number of peer reviewed journals that have become ideologically corrupted, and even in light of this - nobody is doing anything about it, governments intentionally lying to their populations during covid "for the public good" is another example, EG when people were told not to wear masks and that they did nothing, only to flip flop and tell us we needed masks everywhere in every situation. too often we are being misled under the cover of "trust the science", which seems ever more just an appeal to authority rather than confidence in the scientific method
In the specific context of “the consensus of experts” I would say that it is an extraordinary claim to state that they have all been captured by private interests everywhere, especially in the sense that the totality of evidence almost always vindicates those experts. The consensus of experts has ebbed and flowed over time, but it has pretty consistently been proven right, especially on the important things, than it has been shown to be wrong. Even in the area where we could say there is the highest level of private interest compared to genuine hard science and research being done, nutritional science, there are rigorous and good results that are reliable, despite the massive influx of private interests. More often then not the issues comes not from the opinion held to be the consensus but how the “established” opinion interacts with the mass public and how the mass public approaches the consensus. It’s less a matter of them being too wrong too often and a matter of conspiratorially minded minorities throwing shots out and them being unwilling to engage.
Sam Harris is making an impact.
He is a truth speaking person.
I am very convinced that his perspective on what is happening is very informative.
I admire him and respect his integrity.
Joe rogan... did fact check Alex Jones....many things wrte in time proven right. And which human has all things right.
Sam Harris tries to use logic and good thinking. But doesnt do in depth study. There is stuff out there experts have explained... he never heard off. Like doctors still finding new information on covit vaccines.... etc. No one is talking about.
Really good conversation. Thanks
Why can't we just debate how a civil society can define right, relative to wrong, and proceed with how that society can establish guidelines under which those pursuing good are rewarded while, simultaneously, those pursuing what is deemed to be wrong, are punished to the full extent of the law?
Because power corrupts and the winners write the rules and the history books. Incurious people want easy answers. Civility is wonderful, but not if it as the cost of freedom. It’s complicated.
Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
The most important story on the earth
Love this comment section. Sam gives a reason for his conclusion, everyone pretends he didn't and thinks he should be silenced for not saying what everyone wants to hear.
We're doomed as species.
His reasons and his conclusions just aren't very credible. And in any case who thinks he should be shut down?
Who thinks he should be shut down? Seems to me it’s Sam who wants others to be shut down.
Who said Sam should be silenced? I'd keep that strawman away from an open flame.
We are doomed as a species because one side predominantly believes they are morally and intellectually superior and are blinded to the fact that they are the bullies punching everyone in the face while simultaneously claiming they are the poor, poor victims....lefties.
Agreed, it's really suspicious that so many people here say things llike "Sam Harris has a big ego" and "Sam Harris is just wrong" but nobody makes an argument for why he's wrong. Nobody cites a source or an example, nothing. Just a bunch of butt hurt reds.
Why does it matter now? It has never mattered before with main stream media and government agencies.
It is pretty simple - everyone get a job if you can work. Then we won't need to debate the essentials of life, we can just live ❤️
It's tough to read some of these thoughtless comments. I catch some Impact Theory, but man, I'm happy to see the world through a different lens than some of these folks. Tom appreciates nuance, but it doesn't seem to transfer to his audience, unfortunately.
Its mostly right wing idiots who liked sam harris when he was talking shit about the woke left, but as soon as sam criticized their little saviour trump, their cult broke down in tears and hates sam.
The audience came expecting drama, and instead heard a civil conversation among moderates.
My thinking exactly. The irony of this being a conversation about the value of pursuing truth and an accurate view of the map is astonishing.
This audience knows they are part of the clown show of Trump and Tucker. We all have heard them lie over and over and they all ignore it. All self respect is out the window if you are still on the trump train. I’m disgusted with what they have done to this country.
Exactly!
We just look to take the leftist media and politicians' viewpoints and facts then, paired with the alternative right views and provable facts, can draw conclusions from that amazingly broad spectrum of info. ☮️✌️
You mean Biden who is guilty of everything they claim Trump is!
The only clown is Biden and people who don't see it
Anyone trying to sell you that any conflict is because we're good and they're bad is not worth listening to.
I proposed in the past without the necessary backing a way to resolve not only this but Help culture in general if there are people that you were connected to who would be interested in discussing this with me, I’d be interested in discussing it with you. Not on the show, though I’m not looking for a platform.
Sam: you can’t change anybody’s mind!
Also Sam, you’ve never been wrong or changed your
mind on anything in public. You speak in poorly thought out analogies. You admit you aren’t qualified to talk about vaccines, but your “sniff test” on RFKjr is good enough to know he’s full of it? Well, isn’t that convenient.
I agree with Sam on one point. Get rid of the lunatics and make them sit at the children’s table. Well, off to the children’s table you go, sir.
Sam is completely gone. Like he is no longer with us on the same planet.
Where is he wrong??
Anti-vaxers, like RFK are idiots in the same vein as flat earthers. Nuff said.
Kisin can say otherwise, but triggernometry has succumb to audience capture.
Definitely
Totally agree...they suck balls lately
Totally
Yeah fuck thoes guys..people change.
How? The Audience are endlessly berating Kisin fir changing his opinions, probably unwittingly, because of people's views on things that heavily effect him.
So when 50% of his Audience started saying, its been years now, maybe we shouldn't be fighting Russia? He then berated *them*.
Then the Israel thing he has Jewish family, so when so.e of the Audience began questioning the Gaza situation suddenly 'The right wing are woke too.'
I don't think it's Audience capture at all, if anything its the opposite. Triggernometry (clue in the name) was started as a pushbike against the Woke Lefties.
But Konstantin is 'pruning' so much that its becoming quite focused.
I just want to say 2 things. listening to sam Harris 10-15 years ago really opened my eyes and mind to the potential of honesty and how arguing with humility and compassion can be moving and powerful. the second thing is this.. in the past 5 years, Sam has taught me a more important lesson, if you are a very compassionate person and an intellectual, its very easy to become the thing you would have once been disgusted by. I'll always have massive amounts of respect for Sam, but his ability to dismiss people for reasons that are at best half baked is really unfortunate.
I agree with Sam that Israel has a right to defend itself and is justified in trying to eliminate Hammas. But does he not find any fault in the way they are doing it? Is it really necessary to kill as many civilians? Would it be different if Netanyahu wasn’t in charge, or wasn’t facing criminal prosecution when he is ultimately out of office?
Great guests! Thank you! Always interesting to listen Sam Harris ❤
Sam needs to have a mirror for his rhetoric about others.
How about Sam debate his own AI? What do you think would happen?
So Sam's reaction to the Jake Tapper RFK he said she said thing is to just believe the other guy?
Yeah because our mainstream media has been so honest.
Tom i dont think you have the right panel today but damn do i respect what you are doing. Every time i think you are going to hit a ceiling, you punch right through it with brand new curiosity. Keep going.
Sorry, but these two guys just lost me, it appears the truth is what they agree with. And that’s OK but if I do not agree with it, it does not make me wrong.
In some places it actually may make you wrong, but they need to be open to that too... Konstantin and Tom are, although they struggle with it, Sam isn't so much
Truth is supposed to be objective. If you disagree you're either wrong or you know something others don't. I think all three gentlemen indicated that they value scientific approach.. Basically they have position on things, they believe its true and they've spent most if the time explaining why exactly they believe what they believe.
After 20 minutes of Constantin and Tom giving Sam a tongue bath, I couldn’t take it anymore. Since when is Sam the arbiter of truth?
Sam does not belong in this group. He is just miles above Tom and Konstantin. And i say this with great respect for both of them
Twisted into a pretzel 😂
It is not wise to trust anyone even experts blindly. Only trust your own truth after listening to all.
Sure, but ultimately you trust experts all the time during your daily life with almost no second thought. It’s only when ppl find their political pet project on RUclips when they decide that almost no one can be trusted except this one random RUclipsr I found!
listen to all is pure madness. The massive problem here is that lies are much are harder to unwind. Were in a digital world where lies, bullshit, and insanity spread instantly. Its almost impossible to parse and by the time the "truth" or "facts" emerge, the damage is already done. We need to be able to find a way to elevate facts and hold people accountable for lies. I have no clue how but whatever we have today is pure insanity. There are people that have entire different realities based on their "own facts" which we know is wrong.
@@MADDcartman no it’s a way of life. I read all the labels.
theres only one version of the truth, anything else is just a biased lens you are viewing things through, we need more robust frameworks to rebuild trust in our institutions and experts
@@michaelmoskowitz3212 So you trust the people who made the labels
It's a lot easier to guard marine bases than a massive border. Even under Trump, people illegally crossed the border, although in smaller numbers.
So make the border a marine base then.
Which J is right?? I can't decide!!
Are these really our options...
Sam screwed himself and is doubling down. I always thought he was profound, but Trump derangement syndrome is real.
Sam is articulate...he was never profound. He is now, articulate to advance the permanent establishment narrative.
💯💯💯
How is a New York real estate billionaire not part of the establishment?
@@Knight766 Becausr if he was part of the “establishment”, the “establishment” wouldn’t have cooked up 91 indictments against him. I think that is the proof that he isn’t part of the establishment.
@@maxmadmagoo Surely he has nothing to worry about if he hasn't broken the law.
35:55 - Where was Sam when the media was using that ploy to elevate George Floyd to sainthood.
ruclips.net/video/vmgxtcbc4iU/видео.htmlsi=rq9WN8laerpPzlJE
Claiming that God doesn't exist, whilst God was striking down the mural of George Floyd with a stray lightning bolt on a stormless day.
You obviously don’t listen to or follow Harris. He was very outspoken and vocal against all of that which resulted in him losing portions of his own audience.
Everywhere saying STOP IT. But you wouldn’t have been listening because you have your view of him and don’t like that he uses big words.
If you were really interested, you'd known. He wasn't hiding anywhere.
Quite sad that you publicly assume a persons position, without even bothering to do a minimal inquiry.
Anyone else listening with AirPods and the sound keeps muting? Doesn’t happen on any other channel 🤷♀️ also happened on the clip trigonometry posted
Thank GOD youtube is the last platform that lets ME discern, learn from and be entertained without the filter of a corporate narrative or i would watch a better production like netflix or hbo. I want REAL!
RUclips isn't exactly the best platform for that either. It is loaded with censorship, even in the comments(and algorithms). But there is still a lot of good stuff here because of the sheer size of the platform.
Seems when Sam finds something wrong with someone that person becomes an outsider. RFK lied or Jake Tapper? He didn't even question. RFK's Vax stance makes him a bad guy in his mind. I want people like RFK questioning these things. Sorry Sam. You keep losing clout in my mind.
RFK is literally crazy, even the mighty Donald calls him a loony :D
the fact that they lie is not the most offensive thing ; because lying leads to the truth ..It is that they lie, and then they worship their own lies . You see ?
1:38:20 So true. Just skip the video to there onwards.
Tom, I suggest you consider a different voting analysis. Would you rather vote for a party whose track record suggests concern for the masses, one that now suggests interest in governmental overthrow, or throw your vote away on a no chance third party?
It's saddenly to see that Sam Harris is fully behind silencing people that he disagrees with. Very sad.
Not giving someone a microphone on your own platform is silencing? 😂
I think theres a world of difference between taking away peoples ability to speak and simply not offering them a microphone to amplify what they have to say, sam seems to be in the latter camp
It’s even sadder seeing an adult not being able to comprehend a simple point made in plain english. He isn’t saying that some people need to be silenced, he is saying he feels it would be irresponsible to give any wacko his platform just because they are popular.
I commend you on your gracious attitude. I find him an arrogant tool who believes his opinions are attractive that he never has to actually prove his beliefs in real time, in real debate, with real nuances. Sam is the perfect example of the least respectful of hederodox thinking. I doubt he'd ever debate Christopher Hedges about Israel Palestine and because Hedges is so gracious no one will ever notice.
Not at all what he said. For shame.
Sam's stratospheric opinion of himself and his own integrity always makes me smile. The idea that if he was caught lying or saying something grotesquely ludicrous he would lose 100% of his audience is laughable. He has a high proportion of audience who don't leave even when he says the most closed-minded or exaggerated things. He's sat next to Konstantin Kisin on whose show he famously said outrageous things out of ideological capture and his own audience supported him or at least didn't leave his platform. I listen to him because I agree with 50% of what he says and disagree with the other 50% but it's good to hear both sides of a view.
Name one lie or thing that Sam got wrong.
The problem is Sam is trying to make a very nuanced point about how free speech is used against us. Can you respond to the Rudy Giulliani example about showing up with the laptop a week before the election as a tactic? I thought that example was fantastic and no one here seems to engage with it. I'm a staunch free speech advocate but I understand his nuanced point completely.
Has Sam Harris the numbers for his claims and where can I find those, please?
36:40 IT's right you don;t know, but why are you gong to presume that they are guilty. Presumably if the IDF had some proof that what they did was just they would share that.
thanks for trying, but i cant make myself listening to harris anymore
100%
Yeah! Queers for Palestaine!
Exactly - getting painful.
And also I understand it is difficult to listen to a well spoken and rational person. Sam is a gem.
Lmfaooooooooooo. Is that bait?@@edooo345
Is that "we" in the sense of being of a very small tribe we?
maybe one of 12
this is worth Sam's smiling about Rogan's Terrance Howard interview alone . 🥇
And why is that?
It seems to me that Sam just bragged about himself righteousness all the way. Even though he said something interesting, but you can see he just wants people vote for Biden by the end.