John Stewart recently made a good point in one of his Daily Show updates. If you want the truth, start watching the actual court cases and completely ignore the media. In court, you need evidence. You need to support your claims. You need to actually prove things. The media is not held to the same standard. He went on to show what Trump and many republicans were saying in the media and how it 100% contradicted everything they said in court. There was no way they could prove those false accusations in court. In other words, you can't just make stuff up in court or you will actually be held accountable and jailed.
sam harris why wont you talk about jewish Supremacism? not once did he condemn the genocidal statements made by Ben Shapiro, dave rubin and bibi nethenyahu
Quran says: “Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient infinite perfection).
I love reading the comment section to take a slice of how people respond to explorative, reflective conversations. There seems to be a minority of people (in the world - and i might be wrong) who are self reflective and searching for a balanced view and who engage compassionately with others. This is what this conversation shows. Thank you to both of you for demonstrating maturity, respect and patience.
I don't think it's THAT reflective. Tom finds the longest way to say the simplest things but he thinks he's so deep. I can almost see the impatience on Sam's face.
I honestly believe that u are incorrect I think your average person is very reflective , and it's proven by the content u see around you but isn't revealed do to that Noone has the time to engage when they are trying to survive . Meaning doing what you need to do to survive on a day to day basis .
I'm not sure I am a fan of Tom, but I do appreciate many of his sentiments and the way he goes about the discussion. High level and showing that Sam truly WAS an influence on him. Steelmanning - YES.
"I don't care if Hunter Biden literally has children's bodies in his basement, provided covering it up stops Trump from becoming president". Sam Harris
Grew up in South Central Los Angeles 70’s, 80’s, 90’s In a Traditional Nuclear Family, 2 ✌🏻 parent household, Many siblings, Completed all public school K-12, I had great teachers that focused on the academics and NOT on political agendas or ideology brainwashing & indoctrination like they have today in the public school systems. Growing up, I had NO idea that we were considered & labeled as poverty level, UNTIL ☝️ the government emphasized & emphasized that we were by race hustler politicians. My parents NEVER raised us to think that we were victims of anything. We were raised to persevere under any and all circumstances, not blame others for our actions & consequences of our decisions, but take responsibility & accountability for ourselves. Thank you Mom & Dad for teaching me to endure & rise above things in order to become the person that I am today. Thank you 🙏 ❤
Tthere has always been indoctrination in the education system, THATS WHAT IS DOES. You simple look at it through a rose tinted lens because you have already internalised the message of your time.
So what youre telling me... is your enviorment (how you were raised, school, etc) had a tremendous effect on your world views... shocker! Did you know they can also affect whether or not youre bleeding out on the side of the road because you went homeless since your insurance denied your spinal fusion surgery after you got hit by a drunk driver, thus rendering you 500,000$ in debt, and having your possessions collected
41:00 "Nothing to do with skin colour" No offense, but it's funny to me that Sam Harris is wayyyyy more based on race than all these conservatives and libertarians that host him. Tom had a little white guilt freak out there. Gosh Darn It I really wish Devon Tracey was famous.
You two do a great job of disagreeing being respectful working through things checking in and feeding each other information back and forth. Thank you so much! We need more of this exact kind of conversation.
Sam Harris has become one of my favorite humans as of late, and im beginning to really like this guy more and more everyday! Thank you for your contributions to humanity sir! I really do believe that us humans have come a long way, but we have so much further to go and so much more to learn!💙 thank you Sam Harris, you are a spectacular humanbeing inside and out!
26:45 - this is so spot on. Categorical errors in the sizing of our problems is so poisonous because political campaigning on emotional responses that overvalue any singular problem’s credibility is the backbone of the click bait era.
Correct. That's my problem with the Trans and anti trans activism, while I sympathize with a view, it's entirely low prio. It's like trying to fry tadpoles when there's a tuna in the water. I am cynical about the whole "WOKE is the end of the West" thing as much as I am cynical about DEI. These are tribalising smokescreens. We have important threats to our institutions, we have global wars, we have a looming fiscal crisis, and we have a looming global energy crisis. There's bigger things.
In the end, what was his solution? He him’d and haw’d around what really needs to happen (intervene in the lives of these people that need obvious help) but was too much of a P-word to just say it. That’s the problem I have with guys like this who think they are so smart and have all the answers. They don’t.
But to implement Sam's ideas about dealing with the homeless, Californians need to vote out the Democrats who are controlling what is done in these cities and in the state.
He seems to think that yes homelessness is a problem but no no we can't build free or affordable housing we must build more prisons even though we are number one in the world in incarcerating it's citizens. He seems to have really gone off the deep end after going on Joe Rogan
Tom, I appreciate your interview style. I tend to get bored when there’s no banter back and forth and one person drones on and on. You keep it interesting!
He seems to think that yes homelessness is a problem but no no we can't build free or affordable housing we must build more prisons even though we are number one in the world in incarcerating it's citizens. He seems to have really gone off the deep end after going on Joe Rogan
Mindboggling that this host has 4M [if that's true] subscribers. He's now jumped on the political bandwagon, more profitable than his total obsession with his success and body. I never liked him. I'm only listening because of Sam.
20 years ago we shipped all our jobs for normal people to make a good living over to china. now you work retail to get through college then you get an office job, not everyone fits that mold. also everything wouldnt be expensive if the world had something todo with the dollars they get from selling us their stuff.
That happens because Chinese workers will work for much less than American workers will. So, the only way to bring jobs like that back to the USA is to institute tariffs on goods manufactured using low wage workers.
@@davepeterschmidt5818and that's because the cost of living has gone because of hyper inflation, because the government printing money from the private bank we call the federal reserve
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Then you’re missing out on a lot of thought provoking conversation. Id rather listen to Sam speak as well but I don’t limit myself to ideas and conversations because of such trivial issues. Seems silly
But the second order consqeuences of the second order consequences of my worldview of my second order consequences from my perspective of the second order consequences have warped my biased understanding of my second order consequences.
I respect Sam Harris more than any other being on the planet. He is the true personification of trying to live life as objectively as possible. It’s about looking at things with truly good intentions and an open mind. Something virtually no one does.
Sam Harris? The same "objective" Sam Harris that admitted to defending the silencing of the hunter Biden laptop story if it meant keeping Trump out of office?
Tom, this was one of your best! Clarifying the difference in how you and Sam value second level consequences in regard to information distribution and its impact on political outcomes was extremely helpful. It got me to understand where I disagree with Sam as well. I was constantly thinking that I know he’s correct on his perspective but it wasn’t jiving with my view. I just boiled down to differing value assessments. Brilliant talk! I love you both.
22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...
Tom keeps going back and forth between talking about an editorial decision to hold off on a story until it can be investigated, and straight up lying. Those are not the same thing and conflating the two is confusing.
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Right. Exactly. The most recent trend as Matt Taibbi has documented (for example in the recent coverage of the "hospital bombing" in Palestine) is that the mainstream media run with a story, then when it turns out to be fundamentally incorrect they use the defence that "this is what they knew at the time". Of course related to this, is that when they are caught outright lying/propagandising for covid they never really admit that they were COMPLETELY wrong, and the sometimes conflate this with the "this is what we knew at the time" defence
I think 3rd thing which maybe you are conflating with legitimate delay to investigation (it was not, they knew it was legit) is holding off on a story purposefully to damage election chances of a candidate (which it was, and Sam defends this - president that was trying to remain in power after losing election in his view deserves hostile treatment. Also that ppl and institutions may rightfully conspire against him to use lawful means not lies to try and hinder his campaign).
Sam may be one of the best in the world at describing a problem in perfect crystal-clear detail, using the perfect words, perfect metaphors, and perfect analogies. He may also be the best in describing what exactly needs to change with people's current problematic thinking, and exactly the point at which their thinking turns bad. After listening to him for years though, I finally realized why he's still frustrating to listen to. He never seems to get to a concrete, actionable solution. He spends all of his time lost in the (literally perfect) descriptions of the issues.
Lol no. Sam is a bigot who made his career by presenting bigoted anti Islam views in a so-called "intellectual" way. When in reality his views are no different than a low income skinhead from Europe.
Society, not Sam, needs to come up with solutions. But it can't if there isn't a consensus on the actual problem. If we can't agree on what problem is, we'll never be able to agree on a solution. I would guess that Sam sees his role as helping with the former and letter society decide the latter.
Harris is the most reasoned and calibrated voice I hear on podcasts. But I'm australian, so I'm not infected with the idiocy of political biases like Americans
Tom, these videos are becoming more and more valuable. In a world where authentic, truthful information is so difficult to find, many of us are just so fatigued trying to make sense of our current national and world systems. To my point, Sam stands so solidly on Trump’s disruption of the transition of power and that, for all my searching and seeking, is still a matter of the ongoing politically motivated conjecture, yes even the convictions. It nullifies his whole reasoning. It’s like the elephant in the room that he just ignores the need for explanation. What a pickle we’re in, truth is soooo difficult to find! Please keep pressing for truth!!!
Trump was trying to displace the constitution and the transfer of power to save his own skin and profit further from the office - personally, not in the interests of the people. The right's conspiracies and fantasy ideas about his "disruption" of a "deep state" when HE is the swamp is just astonishing. PS I'm a lawyer from elsewhere. No skin in the game beyond astonishment at how easily the American right has been duped. You only need to look at his post-election picks for office to see that he is an existential threat to democracy.
@@goarmysleepinthemud. It's not perfect by any means, but if you watch RUclips enough, it seems like it might be worth it. There are people who pay hundreds a month for cable.
I just love Sam. He walks his talk and is so balanced and rational in his messages. Not that I always agree w/him but I do find him a sort of grounding rod in a world of lightning storms. That and I’m a big fan of his app and how it’s helped my life.
@@SaviorMoney-777 Big accusation considering he has a podcast called "making sense" which millions listen to, solely b/c they appreciate how rational he is. Big accusations require big evidence, and you provided zero, so I'm very confident you just dont like him or something he said, and your ego is calling it "irrational".
We used to have state institutions for thesepeople. Since the institutions were shut down in the Reagan age, this problem has come to the fore. There are many of these institutions empty throughout the country. Get them up and functioning.
Court cases brought in the late 70s brought about the end of commitment to institutions. The next 40 years put these people in the streets, institutions closed and now only a judge can commit a person.
Our approach to psychological help has changed dramatically since they were closed. So obviously that would be the thrust now. We’re giving the homeless alcohol and drug s on the street because of toxic empathy. Real empathy would be to provide help and care for those who need it. And there’s plenty of abandoned institutions that could be restored and used for people and at the same time provide endless jobs for so many.
"Since the institutions were shut down in the Reagan age..." The closing of mental hospitals didn't begin under Reagan, it was Pres. John Kennedy and his "Community Mental Health Act of 1963, Google it. "There are many of these institutions empty throughout the country." So there are..."Get them up and running". There is no political will to do so because of homeless non-profits.
@@nedhill1242What is your experience with any of those facilities? From personal experience dealing with family members with mental illness, and visiting various mental institutions, it is a seriously hard job, with low pay.
A sufficient amount of popularity is what steers the news cycle? I feel Sam's frustration when the inmates in the editorial space and alternative media are running the asylum. We no longer have hard hitting journalism, geared towards solving societal ills, we have, "if it bleeds it leads", infotainment (and TikTok University). - We're all fucked. 😔
Yes, I'm not fully sold on Sam's level of trust in institutions but he is 100% correct on the platforming issue. Basing our discourse on what is popular is what created the self-amplifying feedback loop that got us into this populist shit show in the first place.
One where the "government" that pretends to represent "you" is actually a corporation "UN member-state" franchise that is acting as an "OCCUPYING BELLIGERENT POWER" under law of war, authorized by the UN. They aren't your gov't. They aren't democracy. They aren't democratic. The "US Constitution" doesn't apply to you given that they've been making you a global citizen called a UN National since before you were born, 1947. Go read the UN UDHR via legalese.
We don't. We have an oligarchy of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. You use terms like "democracy" but fail to paint a target on the legal corruption which subverts the process and erodes good faith in the democratic process and institutions.
He's concerned with policies like afrmative action but not with the fact that people have paid colleges to get their kids in and you're more likely to get into an ivy League college if your parents went there way more
Tom spent so much of this episode telling Sam to be someone he is not. The reason Sam is on this pod is because he is who he is and thinks the way he thinks. Tom why don’t you let Sam be Sam and you can be some idealized version of who you think Sam should be. Bizarre!
Regarding the lowering of education standards (black doctors vs jewish or asian doctors). There is a similar story in Mexico, where for many years the standards of education were lowered in the public universities were the poorest of the population go that most of the companies in Mexico explicitly reject students from those universities. For a while even in their job ads they would say something like "we do not hire from such and such universities". Perhaps now it is illegal but in practice they still do it.
What is your point in referencing lowering the education standards and minority doctors?When you visit your doctor do you ask he or she what did they score on their MCAT exam to become a doctor? A passing score is at least 511 or higher and a 127 is the minimum in each sections. Do you ask them how they scored on each section because their medical exam scores and not the which college they attended should be more important in determining if the doctor is good. Americans love to swim in the swallow end of their judgement of the minority community verses swimming in the deeper end to grasp the knowledge and facts that should really concern them.
It's funny he doesn't mention the fact that legacy applicants from wealthy families are more likely to be admitted to Ivy League schools than middle-class applicants. and what about the dozens of wealthy people who have been charged in the college admissions scandal. Federal prosecutors say parents paid about $25 million to get their students into elite schools. That's just the ones we know of. Inconvenient to talk about?
@@lamonicajones7543I ask where he went to school and up till recently that was at least partially a proxy for MCATs and undergrad performance and ultimately IQ.
Sam's bumper sticker at the end: "Given the fallibility of the human mind, we need institutions." I really need help squaring what seems like a big issue with this: those institutions are comprised of humans who have fallible human minds. Further, I have read a lot about group psychology, and there are very clear arguments that groups of human minds are prone to types of fallibility that individual minds aren't. I want to follow Sam's argument, but the line of thinking seems to reliably truncate right before this issue, and I really need this addressed.
He tends to compare institutions to the the modern alternative: Conspiracy thinking on podcasts. Do you really want Joe Rogans guests building the foundations of society?
@@RollingStockChallenge Yet Rogan was right on CovFeFe and the self-serving, for profit, corrupt, weaponized virus making, e-mail covering up, zero accountability government was wrong... but their insiders made $100s of billions more in being wrong than in being right... and it is turning out most of the people they silenced were right -- probably silenced precise;ly because they were right!.
I think he’s comparing it to the scientific method where each scientist is bias, but when each is pitted against one another with rules of engagement, the scientific institution works better than any on of its components?
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Tom is acting like Sam controls all media and is keeping key information from people. It is one podcast. There are plenty of other blogs, podcasts, and media that can talk about it. If the people interested in it find something important, they can advertise it and others will pick it up.
I disagree. As society becomes more and more complex, we have to outsource more and more to make decisions about anything. I’m not suggesting blinded trust, but as he says we have to sufficiently invest enough into our institutions to be able to reliably trust that we have safety rails in place to prevent corruption / malicious practise in these arenas. We outsource so much of our perspective to people that we trust are dedicated and close enough to the given topic that we can reliably choose to agree with.
Media at its best were doing that decently well. Paper editorial board would put say 100 articles in a daily newspaper, postpone 50 and not use 500. All (reasonably) truthful and (somewhat) newsworthy. They'd also rank it with maybe 5 most important on front page. Of course this is still being done but anyone who uses social media as primary source is in effect having a yellow pages scandal amplifier overlaid on all of it. It's nice when it can counter institutional censorship, but 90% of the time it just reintroduces more noise that those editorial boards were removing. Also because they are not mostly paid by the issue, but mostly by the specific ad view, they now have incentive to hyper promote the eye catching scandal. 20 years ago they of course also used it to promote front page, but overall issue tried to comprehensively cover the whole country (for national newspaper) and now every article is tilted towards scandal and bombastic headline.
This is a good conversation. It is refreshing to see people being able to talk out the things that they disagree about without ending up just screaming at the sky.
My non-American friend just went to San Francisco for business. He said he couldn't believe his eyes. It was like a dystopia in parts. Ironically, he was doing business in boardrooms with wealthy high-tech folks trying to figure out how to help the needy in developing countries. He said to me, "It didn't seem to concern them that outside the building they were in were the people who needed help." Very SF.
You've ever been to any westernized country, or anywhere on planet earth? Ignoring the problem only perpetuates the problem. Yt ppl who sit amongst their racist friends and family saying and doing nothing is where it's happening. Two yt boys talking about black issues with the absence of blk ppl to chime in, is the problem they have zero experience the same as yiu
Because they weren't enslaved in this country and everytime they built something it wasn't burnt down by racist white people. Did you ever ask why they couldn't make it in their country and came over here.
Do Poor Koreans, Indians, and Vietnamese come to American and live where they can afford like the ghetto. Do they go to inadequate and dilapidated schools? Why not, they starting from the bottom right?
Perhaps those most successful immigrant minorities have stronger family ties, cultural roots and values, etc. Other less financially successful minorities in the US have broken families, no strong feeling of cultural belonging, less connected communities.
@@77zztop that's what I mean African Americans whole culture was slavery, jimcrow, civil rights, Willie lynch, dealing with white supremacy ect directly effected who we are and how we move
The problem with that argument is: dei is only at the entrance level. Once you get in the college(pilot/surgeon) everybody have to cross same threshold of passing marks in the exam.
@@swapblue That makes sense. I heard they have lowered the threshold for exams though. I have no idea if that's true. Im not affiliated with any higher learning entity.
@@fleekwoodmac3705 i would oppose lowering threshold for actual exams. But in India, we only do it at the entrance level. Once you get in the course, you have to pass it with same threshold as any other.
As part of that silent majority, I thank you, Sam, for taking the heat for sanity! You are my voice of reason among so many fraudulent podcasters just shilling to expand their base.
As an evangelical Christian, I bet you disagree with a lot of things. Such as: owning another human being as property is moral; mutilating the genitalia of children is normal and permissible; the complete eradication of a group of people is fine, as long as the proper "authority" orders it; homosexuality is an abomination that should be infinitely punishable. I mean, shit, the list goes on and on. But AT LEAST you loved this! You're a good person, @markaja2
This discussion seems to approach our problems from the viewpoint our society is making bad choices. What if the consequences of our bad choices -- or choices made for us by those wielding power -- are intentional?
This is the whole part of the conversation that was missing. They seem to overlook the elephant in the room, which is that the government works as a corporate fascist duopoly dictatorship working directly for the rich!!! One significant way we could solve a lot of social problems is if we structured the tax system so that it's not just the middle and lower classes propping everything up because the Uber rich are not paying their fair share of tax!!!
I think both Tom and Sam represented thier respective viewpoints well. To which, I think the real issue at hand becomes apparent. Institutional trust vs personal intuition. Both with thier drawbacks. As institutions have grown in power their corruption has become more damaging and more pubic. Just think, the Federal Reserve, social media, intelligence agencies, health orgainizations, they have not existed to this extent ever in the past, and thier influences are only increasing. They are unelected, unaccountable, and subvert democracy as thier desires, which are just as open to corruption as any, influence policy more than the peoples elected officials. They become de facto government without the checks and balances, and have rightfully caused a reactional red flag amoung many. Relying on intuitions though, as Sam highlights, is not possible for many issues and is fraught with emotional biases and leads to conspiratorial thinking. This can open the door to public manipulation and perhaps a backdoor to the same ending. Institutions vs intuitions will be greater at odds until a better solution can be trustfully implemented.
Found you through your latest talk with Destiny, this is my second video - the concepts and thoughts you are working through in the two video's I've watched so far are impressive - more conversations like this need to exist. You've earned a sub today - i look forward to finding out if the rest of your videos are as enlightening
On the subject of high crime incidents among blacks, Tom Bilyeu and others make the argument that blacks' circumstance and background are to blame. Underprivileged Jews who came to the US faced similar discrimination and harassments (they still do, facing bias and anti-Semitism). The early immigrant Jews however, despite their poverty and lack of opportunities, dedicated themselves to hard work and their children to education. Same with the Chinese community. As an example, my black roommate at MIT described the harsh circumstances of his childhood in Chicago. He credited his mom for telling him not to spend time with other black kids playing in their rough neighborhood. She told him if he sees blacks on his sidewalk, he should cross the street to the other side. She knew a thing or two about the problem.
Immigrant Jews came from a background from which hard work and education were known paths to success, whereas American blacks came from a background where hard work was a life sentence and education was discouraged.
American blacks had a lower incidence of wedlock children than whites once upon a time. It's the Great Society and LBJ that destroyed them. You can only pay people to have fatherless children for so long. Then we have to address what Gary Webb revealed: the CIA introduced crack cocaine in their neighborhoods to fund their shenanigans. My point being: the government has done a whole lot to produce this culture...let's not forget the entertainment that's been marketed to them for the past few decades by a certain ethnicity that owns it all.
@maxxpro4 because you're in a cult and you want America to become a dictatorship so go ahead I actually hope he wins so he can finish the job and you suckers will learn the hard way...
In the huge world of opinion commentators, Sam Harris is an outstanding voice. His dissection of issues is well reasoned and supported. I don't necessarily disagree with his DEI opinion, but it fails to recognize that nepotism for entry into 'elite' colleges is much more prevalent than DEI.
Why don't Conservative Christians care about The Planet or The Homeless? Why is there such a disconnect . Why do Conservatives want to end Social Security and Welfare ? When they know it is to save children and the weak and infirm ? They all will need these services eventually! They all will have somebody close to them that need and deserve help . This is what I can not understand . Do they all assume that they will always have family to save them? Or will their Church take care of them? I think not .
Yes that's the idea of a strong Christian family and community. Help your family and give 10% to the church for them to help others who can't help themselves. Instead the government takes a lot more than 10% of your income and does very little to help the people who truly need it. It's no longer a safety net, and instead a hammock. The idea of a net is to catch you when you fall, not for you to relax in. People abuse these "nets" and then makes it more difficult for people who truly need it while also holding captive the abusers because they become reliant.
Christians are 5x more likely to donate/volunteer for charity than atheists. The idea that farmers don't care about their farms is a cartoonish straw-man. You are living in a bubble. They want to solve these problems, everyone does. They just don't trust corrupt bureaucrats to solve these problems. Studies show progressives think conservatives are misinformed, while progressives think conservatives are genuinely immoral, which side has more empathy do you think?
Here in New Zealand we have a welfare system. There are people in this country that grew up with parents on welfare, that then go on welfare themselves. Absolutely useless people. Just pull the "depression card", and no questions are asked. People like myself that are against welfare, do so because of situations like this. People that take advantage of it. Or even people that get trapped on it.
That's a broad assumption. I'm not conservative, but I am Protestant. The problem is the government is not spending money to help people most of the time. I feel like I'm giving money to a degenerate gambler at this point.
@@ParkerGuy89 and yet we want to give them more and hope they just all of the sudden start doing the right things with it. No. We should have a small central government that controls the military, foreign affairs, and manages monopolies/trusts. Everything else should be left to the states where citizens can actually vote on what they believe.
It's not so much the educators (though that certainly is an important factor), it's having a support structure around the students, (i.e. mothers and fathers) who care, who supervise, who hold accountable and who create disciplined students who give a shit about what's happening in their classrooms.
Tom, aside from poverty and even better predictor is broken homes. Rich kids with abusive parents do not generally do well. Broken homes are more correlated with bad outcomes than poverty. Agreed poverty is an issue. But also want you to include this.
We pay taxes so the state and country can make the environment safe and viable. If the government isn't helping the company then why should the company pay?
@@M.Linogepeople are gonna pretend police and roads etc come out of thin air. Also thinking that no environmental regulation will make competing companies regulate themselves for good will or for popularity among customers and only profit would somehow always have enough care for the environment. People won't think deeper cause that might make them change their minds and that hurts the ego.
He's given examples of how podcast guests changed his mind about things. He's talked about being wrong about things on his podcast. When he doesnt know enough about a topic, he acknowledges he doesnt know the answers. So no, not really.
Tom seems to think that a direct democracy or a republic is superior because the people choose what they want directly or via representatives. This is categorically false. The only thing you can consistently count on is the people will choose incorrectly most of the time. Also, how the Representatives don’t follow through with voting for what people elected them for. So, you can’t count on the people within a democracy. If you don’t believe this, just think about Islamic countries that are democracies and how the people voted into power in the United States, conservative Christians for the South, and the woke folk in the liberal cities and the West Coast. Democracy is a superior government because it allows the people to complain about their government and, most importantly, transition to a different government peacefully and without bloodshed. That is why Trump threatens American democracy and why Sam sees what happened on January 6 that much more damming than the Hunter Biden laptop thing, which is a minor political corruption scandal at best by comparison
Democracy also can fail with corruption, misinformation, tyranny of the majority and slow bureaucracy. If those become the norm Democracy becomes a chaotic hellhole of racism, inequality, rebellion and inefficiency.
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Democracy can also fail due to the inability to get candidates who are even worth voting for. Any time the only decision a democracy can make is - for the least worst candidate INSTEAD OF for the best candidate - then it is equally subverted. The only thing worse would be the "coronation" of a President or Prime Minister, which completely destroys the democracy itself.
Wouldn’t you say all those things are already happening now? Except I would substitute tyranny of the minority in there for majority. While often times misguided the majority in the US is attempting to have a live and let live cultural framework. But the minority has been playing the long game for decades and has key pieces in key places like never before and are trying to force their morality based on Christianity. Trump winning would be another key piece in place, maybe the final piece that completes the tyranny puzzle that was set in motion long before most of us were zygote babies or whatever.
The NY Times holding off on talking about a laptop story that they haven't had time to properly investigate isn't single-handedly going to make people lose trust in institutions. People would just grab onto something else to claim is the reason they lost trust. And, going with a story before the journalists had time to check it out could lose people's trust in institutions in a more substantial way.
Like Julie swetnicks allegations? Tell that to Tara reade. If you think that's why they didn't talk about it I'd turn up the skepticism meter and expand your information sources. FYI the fbi had the laptop for a year before this story surfaced. They knew it was real. Remember the 51 intelligence experts who said it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation? Brace yourself - they were lying.
It's the perception of it and the current environment that would magnify the lost trust. It confirmed what everyone wanted desperately to believe. Not saying you're wrong, but it really is a tough call. We should just be able to admit that.
Thanks to Jordan Peterson I dared to listen to (atheist) Sam Harris, and I love the way Sam approaches the topics even when I don't agree. Thanks to Tom B. I'm motivated to give Sam the benefit of the doubt whenever he is attacked and verify anything is been said about him.
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The first Top Gun competition was won by the Tuskegee Airmen in 1949. For 46 years the official records showed that the winners "Unknown". We've had less qualified people in top positions for generations just because they were part of the majority.
Change the tax laws and reform welfare programs break up all monopolies and lobbyist stop illegal immigration send all young Americans to a third world country what the documentary on education Waiting on Superman
@@vincentyoung8472 Where is your proof that that's not what's happening today? Your father and grandfathers took opportunities that they were less qualified for than their black, asian, hispanic, etc...counterparts. And they did it happily because they were part of the demographic majority. It was ok if they did sub-par work because their friends would just back them up. To protect your fragile egos you have to continue repeating the lie that we are not equal. What black Americans need to do is completely ignore you and just continue progressing. It's us wanting to work with you that has been the problem all along.
The official records did not show the winners as "Unknown' for 46 years". Instead, the victory of the Tuskegee Airmen was just not widely acknowledged or celebrated. In 1995, the U.S. Air Force officially recognized the 332nd Fighter Group's victory in the competition, rectifying the historical oversight.
@@rogerbritus9378 I put a link here to a CBS Story that showed that the official records said "unknown", but RUclips took that down. You're 100% wrong, but someone highlighted you reply. It's crazy how you all try to erase history.
I agree with Sam on almost everything except on the current state of affairs of Israel and Palestine. Nonetheless he is a brilliant thinker. Now, I do urge him to take a trip to China, Russia to broaden his horizon. Thank me later.
"Because us solving a bit of this problem won't solve the entire problem, we shouldn't do it at all." This is the reasoning that always comes up whenever a potential solution might discomfort people at the top. Notice this. No problem ever gets solved using this rationale.
There is no actual "government" agency that can be "trusted." they are all aspects of the same "legal" fictional "Corporation pretending to be government" deception.
@@seag1492 Look up the Wiki entry "Criticism of the Food and Drug Administration", then follow the several thousand hyperlinks of evidence WHY we cannot trust the FDA.
One of the leading causes of homelessness is, in fact, lack of affordable housing. As in, this problem has been repeatedly studied, and those are the findings. It's not an afterthought to be dismissed. Additionally, the other social causes of homelessness are in part due to class dynamics, such as the cutting of social services or the stress poverty causes people. It's really astonishing to hear someone downplay all this while completely ignoring actual data that people have gathered on these subjects.
I was thinking the same thing!! Or how about the corruption in government, and how it just basically functions as a corporate fascist duopoly dictatorship working directly for the rich!!!!
One of, but the data is not at all clear what the leading cause is, because there is usually multiple factors at play. 30% of chronically homeless people have mental health conditions. If the data were clear, it would be easier to fix.
How anyone can not see his point on this laptop situation after how he has spelled it out is wild to me. People just want to feel like their rights are being violated all the time anymore. They made an editorial decision. The end.
Because he acknowledged in an interview that he knew it wasn’t an editorial decision and that powers were colluding to prevent the electorate from knowing about it. And that he said that was a good thing. He’s tried to reframe his “we must prevent democracy to protect democracy” position several times. Almost as incoherent as his takes during Covid
They actively suppressed crucial information in the lead up to an election. While dozens of "former" intelligence officials condemned the laptop as fraud, the FBI, an organisation ostensibly under the authority of the President, kept completely quiet and pretty much ushered Biden into office, even though the corruption contained therein is much worse than both Trump and Hillary are accused of. If the entire media, social media and government landscape is willing to twist the information landscape to defeat Trump, how can anyone decide if that is legitimate? Your very means of assessing the situation has been manipulated by one side. Sam knows this and is willing to ignore it, because it satisfies his coalitional power insticts.
@@hoagied3783It wasn't allowed on Twitter. You could still read the NY post on any other site. If the government truly were trying to hide, they did a quarter ass job at trying to do that.
How nice that Sam wants to decide what news we hear and which we don’t, just so he can keep the candidate he dislikes from becoming President. Reminds me of the Rush lyric “Those who know what’s best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves” Thank you Tom for pointing out the horrific second order effects of this kind of thing - which is the complete erosion of trust in the very democracy Sam wants desperately to defend 💁♂️
We’ve taken care of everything The words you read The songs you sing The pictures that give pleasure To your eye One for all and all for one Work together Common sons Never need to wonder How or why
This is a man who believes no one in America is starving yet we can clearly see homeless men, women, and children on the street. Many are working 40 hours a week and still cannot afford the basics to live. No one in America should be hungry or homeless and working.
If we want a functional meritocracy, we need to change school funding models so that the quality of education in the poorest neighborhoods is equal to the quality in the richest neighborhoods.
No. We need real education systems, not part-time prison systems, regardless of neighborhoods. We had them once, we can have it again. The meaning of education itself must change. Prepare children for adulthood, instead of preparing them for full-time adult incarceration.
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Sam = balance reflective and rational thought. Sam Harris, is one of most farsighted, smartest, moral people alive today. This is not a 'team' statement. This an objective assessment.
@@jmc5335 Feeding me your subjective opinion is neither objective nor is it unbiased. You have some imagined beef with Sam Harris? Good for you, welcome to the world. Now get over it, and make an objective assessment. Failing that resist the urge to paint others with your obviously blinkered preoccupation.
@@aggressivecalm Unlike you I've never claimed objectivity. However, I think it's plain to see that man who propagated far right propaganda, that tells us that French Muslims are capable of miracles, is disqualified from being considered to be the most farsighted, smart moral people alive today.
@@jmc5335 Good grief. Anybody placing hippie, Sam Harris as a far right advocate disqualifies them from speculation in general. (In future, lead with this, and save me some time.)
@@aggressivecalm You've just misrepresented me. This is a cardinal sin in Harris-land. However, seeing as he has said that fascists speak most honestly about Islam and he has said that he shares most of his politics with Trump, I can see why you misrepresented me in such a manner.
@@bellakrinkle9381 You have to have a certain baseline intelligence to engage in the level of doublethink that is now the norm. Normal stupid people just laugh and walk away. Embracing the contradictions and encouraging others to self-immolate to assuage your projected guilt is a dumpster-chute from the penthouse that the ego transforms into yellow-brick road. Not stupid. Insane.
That doesn't make any sense without some frame of reference. What is "all?" What design? Who's doing the designing? Maybe you just have special knowledge you're keeping from everyone else. Except "bingo" dude. He knows, too. Not sharing, though. Smart.
1:34:10 Sam changes the subject into talking about nocebo. Tom raised the concern of Sam seemingly dismissing the democratic process as ‘a liability’ - this is a different subject to ‘trusting the experts’. Sam filibusters off point for quite a while, and this successfully steered Tom off that into talking about ‘trusting the experts’ again
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Experts are what has allowed us to fly and drive safely, and not to die of tuberculosis or smallpox, just to give a few examples. People seem to have forgotten that...
WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!
John Stewart recently made a good point in one of his Daily Show updates. If you want the truth, start watching the actual court cases and completely ignore the media. In court, you need evidence. You need to support your claims. You need to actually prove things. The media is not held to the same standard. He went on to show what Trump and many republicans were saying in the media and how it 100% contradicted everything they said in court. There was no way they could prove those false accusations in court. In other words, you can't just make stuff up in court or you will actually be held accountable and jailed.
Please start putting the time stamps on specificity what the title says it’s really hard to skip to find that part usually , love it vids thank you
sam harris why wont you talk about jewish Supremacism? not once did he condemn the genocidal statements made by Ben Shapiro, dave rubin and bibi nethenyahu
Quran says: “Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient infinite perfection).
So what you're saying is that you won't be sending me the $10k after I sent you $1k in Amazon gift cards?
I love listening to Sam Harris in these very messed up times
Im assuming you've got your yearly booster...this guy is a walking talking vaccine.
I love reading the comment section to take a slice of how people respond to explorative, reflective conversations. There seems to be a minority of people (in the world - and i might be wrong) who are self reflective and searching for a balanced view and who engage compassionately with others. This is what this conversation shows. Thank you to both of you for demonstrating maturity, respect and patience.
I don't think it's THAT reflective. Tom finds the longest way to say the simplest things but he thinks he's so deep. I can almost see the impatience on Sam's face.
well said human!
I honestly believe that u are incorrect I think your average person is very reflective , and it's proven by the content u see around you but isn't revealed do to that Noone has the time to engage when they are trying to survive . Meaning doing what you need to do to survive on a day to day basis .
Assuming maturity, respect and patience are objective goods.
I'm not sure I am a fan of Tom, but I do appreciate many of his sentiments and the way he goes about the discussion. High level and showing that Sam truly WAS an influence on him.
Steelmanning - YES.
I'm not a fan of his interviewing style. Has to caveat his questions to death rather than let the caveats become the conversation.
Sam is brilliant. He is absolutely right about a lot of things happening today!
Many but not all
@@waltbianchi8862pretty much all. Nobody on the right can stand up to his arguments.
@@goarmysleepinthemud.american politicians have never been in the business of truth.
"I don't care if Hunter Biden literally has children's bodies in his basement, provided covering it up stops Trump from becoming president". Sam Harris
Weak pun
Grew up in South Central Los Angeles 70’s, 80’s, 90’s
In a Traditional
Nuclear Family,
2 ✌🏻 parent household,
Many siblings,
Completed all public school K-12,
I had great teachers that focused on the academics and NOT on political agendas or ideology brainwashing & indoctrination like they have today in the public school systems.
Growing up, I had NO idea that we were considered & labeled as poverty level,
UNTIL ☝️
the government emphasized & emphasized that we were by race hustler politicians.
My parents NEVER raised us to think that we were victims of anything.
We were raised to persevere under any and all circumstances,
not blame others for our actions & consequences of our decisions,
but take responsibility & accountability for ourselves.
Thank you Mom & Dad for teaching me to endure & rise above things in order to become the person that I am today.
Thank you 🙏 ❤
Tthere has always been indoctrination in the education system, THATS WHAT IS DOES. You simple look at it through a rose tinted lens because you have already internalised the message of your time.
So what youre telling me... is your enviorment (how you were raised, school, etc) had a tremendous effect on your world views... shocker! Did you know they can also affect whether or not youre bleeding out on the side of the road because you went homeless since your insurance denied your spinal fusion surgery after you got hit by a drunk driver, thus rendering you 500,000$ in debt, and having your possessions collected
@@vile4896do you need me to call you a cab?
@TheNephilim101 this is beautiful, and the best thing I’ve read all day. I salute your mom and dad. They did a damn fine job
LOL so what’s your point. Congrats you had a 2 parent household and went to schools with great teachers.
Eating popcorn while reading the comment section
Not qualified to have this conversation
When you only speak to a people as “they” shame on you
You know the cult is going to be seething the second he criticizes their supreme leader😂
The best part of RUclips
Far too many great comments are #CensorTubed. It's now a verb.
41:00 "Nothing to do with skin colour" No offense, but it's funny to me that Sam Harris is wayyyyy more based on race than all these conservatives and libertarians that host him. Tom had a little white guilt freak out there. Gosh Darn It I really wish Devon Tracey was famous.
If you want to retain your sanity you simply cannot read the comments of any alternative media podcast Harris goes on 😂
lmao seriously. truly amazing how dumb people are
It appears that many in Tom's audience have brain worms.
you mean the sense making aparattoooree
Yes the phenomenon of "anti-samitism" has taken hold strongly in some quarters.
After listening to Harris, Kissin and Bileou it is hard to value Harris' words. Sorry
You two do a great job of disagreeing being respectful working through things checking in and feeding each other information back and forth. Thank you so much! We need more of this exact kind of conversation.
What was your actual takeaway from the conversation
Anything of substance
Sam Harris has become one of my favorite humans as of late, and im beginning to really like this guy more and more everyday!
Thank you for your contributions to humanity sir!
I really do believe that us humans have come a long way, but we have so much further to go and so much more to learn!💙
thank you Sam Harris, you are a spectacular humanbeing inside and out!
AND WE ARE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME CORRECT THAT WE ARE SCREWED
Everybody should listen to sam's podcast on self vs person understanding. my most consequential lesson
26:45 - this is so spot on. Categorical errors in the sizing of our problems is so poisonous because political campaigning on emotional responses that overvalue any singular problem’s credibility is the backbone of the click bait era.
No offence, but that is a word salad.
@@Quinston82 read my mind
Correct. That's my problem with the Trans and anti trans activism, while I sympathize with a view, it's entirely low prio. It's like trying to fry tadpoles when there's a tuna in the water. I am cynical about the whole "WOKE is the end of the West" thing as much as I am cynical about DEI. These are tribalising smokescreens.
We have important threats to our institutions, we have global wars, we have a looming fiscal crisis, and we have a looming global energy crisis. There's bigger things.
This is actually pretty straightforward. Not sure what peoples’ confusion is all about?
@@thefamilydog3278 none trys to get parkinsons disease to comb their hair.
Sam Harris is so right on his ideas about dealing with the drug addicted mentally ill homeless.
In the end, what was his solution? He him’d and haw’d around what really needs to happen (intervene in the lives of these people that need obvious help) but was too much of a P-word to just say it. That’s the problem I have with guys like this who think they are so smart and have all the answers. They don’t.
@@Richard-sg7sjhe said you have to intrude into their lives, and institutionalize some of them
@@Richard-sg7sj you clearly have a lot of problems. You've yet to state anything remotely valid. Keep learning sweety.
But to implement Sam's ideas about dealing with the homeless, Californians need to vote out the Democrats who are controlling what is done in these cities and in the state.
He seems to think that yes homelessness is a problem but no no we can't build free or affordable housing we must build more prisons even though we are number one in the world in incarcerating it's citizens. He seems to have really gone off the deep end after going on Joe Rogan
Tom, I appreciate your interview style. I tend to get bored when there’s no banter back and forth and one person drones on and on. You keep it interesting!
He seems to think that yes homelessness is a problem but no no we can't build free or affordable housing we must build more prisons even though we are number one in the world in incarcerating it's citizens. He seems to have really gone off the deep end after going on Joe Rogan
All he does is drone on and on.. Any hoes who talks more than the guest is hardly an interviewer..
Sam Harris is always my common sense hero!! 👏👏👏
Love Sam Harris and you did such a good job of letting him talk. Not many people are as articulate as him.
Sam without a doubt is articulate, but that doesn't prevent him from employing his eloquence in the service of sophistry.
Does this host always introduce his question with a 25 minute circular monologue?
Borderline unlistenable
sometimes, unfortunately.
Yeah, he is a moron. Can’t believe he has 4 million subs, dark times indeed.
Yeah he's always like that
Mindboggling that this host has 4M [if that's true] subscribers. He's now jumped on the political bandwagon, more profitable than his total obsession with his success and body. I never liked him. I'm only listening because of Sam.
20 years ago we shipped all our jobs for normal people to make a good living over to china. now you work retail to get through college then you get an office job, not everyone fits that mold. also everything wouldnt be expensive if the world had something todo with the dollars they get from selling us their stuff.
more like 50 years ago.
That happens because Chinese workers will work for much less than American workers will. So, the only way to bring jobs like that back to the USA is to institute tariffs on goods manufactured using low wage workers.
@@davepeterschmidt5818and that's because the cost of living has gone because of hyper inflation, because the government printing money from the private bank we call the federal reserve
Not everyone who has low income shoots another kid for a pair of sneakers.
They use our dollars to buy federal debt
Can't listen to an interviewer who talks more than the guest.
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Then you’re missing out on a lot of thought provoking conversation. Id rather listen to Sam speak as well but I don’t limit myself to ideas and conversations because of such trivial issues. Seems silly
Unless Sam Harris is the interviewer
But the second order consqeuences of the second order consequences of my worldview of my second order consequences from my perspective of the second order consequences have warped my biased understanding of my second order consequences.
it is a downfall and hardly tolerable. the guy is fascinated with himself
I respect Sam Harris more than any other being on the planet. He is the true personification of trying to live life as objectively as possible. It’s about looking at things with truly good intentions and an open mind. Something virtually no one does.
Sam Harris? The same "objective" Sam Harris that admitted to defending the silencing of the hunter Biden laptop story if it meant keeping Trump out of office?
My god Tom, please stop. “What drives us absolutely crazy” …is your persistence on speaking so much. And even then, it’s overly repetitive.
Tom, this was one of your best! Clarifying the difference in how you and Sam value second level consequences in regard to information distribution and its impact on political outcomes was extremely helpful. It got me to understand where I disagree with Sam as well. I was constantly thinking that I know he’s correct on his perspective but it wasn’t jiving with my view. I just boiled down to differing value assessments. Brilliant talk! I love you both.
Jesus Christ - this was "one of his best"?!
People, please go out and explore some more. You NEED better standards!
He still believes in the laptop story
22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...
Tom keeps going back and forth between talking about an editorial decision to hold off on a story until it can be investigated, and straight up lying. Those are not the same thing and conflating the two is confusing.
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Right. Exactly. The most recent trend as Matt Taibbi has documented (for example in the recent coverage of the "hospital bombing" in Palestine) is that the mainstream media run with a story, then when it turns out to be fundamentally incorrect they use the defence that "this is what they knew at the time". Of course related to this, is that when they are caught outright lying/propagandising for covid they never really admit that they were COMPLETELY wrong, and the sometimes conflate this with the "this is what we knew at the time" defence
And I'm guessing he does that intentionally to fit his bias.
@@TL-vp8uh I would think that he does so unintentionally. And if bias is the cause, it would be working to make him not realize that he is doing it.
I think 3rd thing which maybe you are conflating with legitimate delay to investigation (it was not, they knew it was legit) is holding off on a story purposefully to damage election chances of a candidate (which it was, and Sam defends this - president that was trying to remain in power after losing election in his view deserves hostile treatment. Also that ppl and institutions may rightfully conspire against him to use lawful means not lies to try and hinder his campaign).
Sam may be one of the best in the world at describing a problem in perfect crystal-clear detail, using the perfect words, perfect metaphors, and perfect analogies. He may also be the best in describing what exactly needs to change with people's current problematic thinking, and exactly the point at which their thinking turns bad. After listening to him for years though, I finally realized why he's still frustrating to listen to. He never seems to get to a concrete, actionable solution. He spends all of his time lost in the (literally perfect) descriptions of the issues.
Lol no. Sam is a bigot who made his career by presenting bigoted anti Islam views in a so-called "intellectual" way. When in reality his views are no different than a low income skinhead from Europe.
Except he supports the mass murder of Palestinians, so there's that.
@@bunjidogghe is articulating things you can't, he's saying. It's good to have people to branch off of
yep and he also lies to himself --- and then to you by extension, nice reasonable guy that he is
Society, not Sam, needs to come up with solutions. But it can't if there isn't a consensus on the actual problem. If we can't agree on what problem is, we'll never be able to agree on a solution. I would guess that Sam sees his role as helping with the former and letter society decide the latter.
Harris is the most reasoned and calibrated voice I hear on podcasts. But I'm australian, so I'm not infected with the idiocy of political biases like Americans
Tom, these videos are becoming more and more valuable. In a world where authentic, truthful information is so difficult to find, many of us are just so fatigued trying to make sense of our current national and world systems. To my point, Sam stands so solidly on Trump’s disruption of the transition of power and that, for all my searching and seeking, is still a matter of the ongoing politically motivated conjecture, yes even the convictions. It nullifies his whole reasoning. It’s like the elephant in the room that he just ignores the need for explanation. What a pickle we’re in, truth is soooo difficult to find! Please keep pressing for truth!!!
Trump was trying to displace the constitution and the transfer of power to save his own skin and profit further from the office - personally, not in the interests of the people. The right's conspiracies and fantasy ideas about his "disruption" of a "deep state" when HE is the swamp is just astonishing.
PS I'm a lawyer from elsewhere. No skin in the game beyond astonishment at how easily the American right has been duped. You only need to look at his post-election picks for office to see that he is an existential threat to democracy.
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@@goarmysleepinthemud. It's not perfect by any means, but if you watch RUclips enough, it seems like it might be worth it. There are people who pay hundreds a month for cable.
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@@ghostlack Yes I could use an ad blocker. I couldn't be bothered. I'd rather pay and not have to worry about it.
I just love Sam. He walks his talk and is so balanced and rational in his messages. Not that I always agree w/him but I do find him a sort of grounding rod in a world of lightning storms. That and I’m a big fan of his app and how it’s helped my life.
Nothing rational about him.
@@SaviorMoney-777 What you mean is that you dont like what he says.
@@gmuel87 No - I mean he isn't rational.
@@SaviorMoney-777 Big accusation considering he has a podcast called "making sense" which millions listen to, solely b/c they appreciate how rational he is. Big accusations require big evidence, and you provided zero, so I'm very confident you just dont like him or something he said, and your ego is calling it "irrational".
Incredibly valuable conversation 🙏🏼
Sam is a true intellectual heavyweight.
His insights on immigration and overall democratic polity are just mindblowing. So sane and composed.
We used to have state institutions for thesepeople. Since the institutions were shut down in the Reagan age, this problem has come to the fore. There are many of these institutions empty throughout the country. Get them up and functioning.
Court cases brought in the late 70s brought about the end of commitment to institutions. The next 40 years put these people in the streets, institutions closed and now only a judge can commit a person.
Those institutions were heinous and needed closed but didn't get properly replaced.
Our approach to psychological help has changed dramatically since they were closed. So obviously that would be the thrust now. We’re giving the homeless alcohol and drug s on the street because of toxic empathy. Real empathy would be to provide help and care for those who need it. And there’s plenty of abandoned institutions that could be restored and used for people and at the same time provide endless jobs for so many.
"Since the institutions were shut down in the Reagan age..."
The closing of mental hospitals didn't begin under Reagan, it was Pres. John Kennedy and his "Community Mental Health Act of 1963, Google it.
"There are many of these institutions empty throughout the country."
So there are..."Get them up and running". There is no political will to do so because of homeless non-profits.
@@nedhill1242What is your experience with any of those facilities? From personal experience dealing with family members with mental illness, and visiting various mental institutions, it is a seriously hard job, with low pay.
A sufficient amount of popularity is what steers the news cycle? I feel Sam's frustration when the inmates in the editorial space and alternative media are running the asylum. We no longer have hard hitting journalism, geared towards solving societal ills, we have, "if it bleeds it leads", infotainment (and TikTok University). - We're all fucked. 😔
Gotta love it when the ad pops in and your entire reply vanishes into thin air.
It probably wasn't that important.
When "Costco" starts giving out law degrees... then I'll worry.
@@ardensolari1927you are the frog in the boiling pot of water
Yes, I'm not fully sold on Sam's level of trust in institutions but he is 100% correct on the platforming issue. Basing our discourse on what is popular is what created the self-amplifying feedback loop that got us into this populist shit show in the first place.
TikTok aside, that’s how it’s always been.
What kind of "democracy" do we have when propaganda and political hit jobs are the norm?
One where the "government" that pretends to represent "you" is actually a corporation "UN member-state" franchise that is acting as an "OCCUPYING BELLIGERENT POWER" under law of war, authorized by the UN. They aren't your gov't. They aren't democracy. They aren't democratic. The "US Constitution" doesn't apply to you given that they've been making you a global citizen called a UN National since before you were born, 1947. Go read the UN UDHR via legalese.
We don't. We have an oligarchy of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.
You use terms like "democracy" but fail to paint a target on the legal corruption which subverts the process and erodes good faith in the democratic process and institutions.
America has never been democratic at the federal level. Not for one day. Americans live under oligarchical socialism.
You mean from MAGA, right?
"Idiot compassion" is a great new term for me 😂
He's concerned with policies like afrmative action but not with the fact that people have paid colleges to get their kids in and you're more likely to get into an ivy League college if your parents went there way more
@@joshmo675 I'm confident Sam opposes both of these examples of ivy league school immorality
@@joshmo675 What makes you think he's not concerned with that? He didnt have time to list every bad idea he can think of.
Lifting others up lifts everyone up
Tom spent so much of this episode telling Sam to be someone he is not. The reason Sam is on this pod is because he is who he is and thinks the way he thinks. Tom why don’t you let Sam be Sam and you can be some idealized version of who you think Sam should be. Bizarre!
"30 thousand feet in the sky, everyone's an elitist" - the power of Sam Harris to hit home with one sentence
Ridiculous and completely irrelevant analogy. Worked on you though, didn't it?
@@SaviorMoney-777 Can you do one better without AI help?
@@FoulBundy about what?
@@SaviorMoney-777 The analogy, obviously. Or are they using those 50 IQ bots again?
@@SaviorMoney-777 How so?
Sam Harris, one of smartest moral people alive today.
Any studies providing evidence of that? Or are you just a sycophant?
@@samdg1234 Idk what sycophant means actually
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Would it not have been as easy to google it as to post that comment?
apart from the TDS
@@FiveLiverTrump is a traitor. 💩🤡👹😈
Regarding the lowering of education standards (black doctors vs jewish or asian doctors). There is a similar story in Mexico, where for many years the standards of education were lowered in the public universities were the poorest of the population go that most of the companies in Mexico explicitly reject students from those universities. For a while even in their job ads they would say something like "we do not hire from such and such universities". Perhaps now it is illegal but in practice they still do it.
What is your point in referencing lowering the education standards and minority doctors?When you visit your doctor do you ask he or she what did they score on their MCAT exam to become a doctor? A passing score is at least 511 or higher and a 127 is the minimum in each sections. Do you ask them how they scored on each section because their medical exam scores and not the which college they attended should be more important in determining if the doctor is good. Americans love to swim in the swallow end of their judgement of the minority community verses swimming in the deeper end to grasp the knowledge and facts that should really concern them.
@@lamonicajones7543 If meritocracy applied to all equally, then our (and your) concerns wouldn't exist.
Fox news did a number on this clown
It's funny he doesn't mention the fact that legacy applicants from wealthy families are more likely to be admitted to Ivy League schools than middle-class applicants. and what about the dozens of wealthy people who have been charged in the college admissions scandal. Federal prosecutors say parents paid about $25 million to get their students into elite schools. That's just the ones we know of. Inconvenient to talk about?
@@lamonicajones7543I ask where he went to school and up till recently that was at least partially a proxy for MCATs and undergrad performance and ultimately IQ.
Sam is such a voice of sanity.
Tom is probably the human being who enjoys the most hearing himself talk I've ever witnessed in my life.
Sam's bumper sticker at the end: "Given the fallibility of the human mind, we need institutions." I really need help squaring what seems like a big issue with this: those institutions are comprised of humans who have fallible human minds. Further, I have read a lot about group psychology, and there are very clear arguments that groups of human minds are prone to types of fallibility that individual minds aren't. I want to follow Sam's argument, but the line of thinking seems to reliably truncate right before this issue, and I really need this addressed.
He tends to compare institutions to the the modern alternative: Conspiracy thinking on podcasts. Do you really want Joe Rogans guests building the foundations of society?
There are very few institutions that have any remaining credibility. NASA maybe?
@@RollingStockChallengeopen discussion, public debate, why not?
@@RollingStockChallenge Yet Rogan was right on CovFeFe and the self-serving, for profit, corrupt, weaponized virus making, e-mail covering up, zero accountability government was wrong... but their insiders made $100s of billions more in being wrong than in being right... and it is turning out most of the people they silenced were right -- probably silenced precise;ly because they were right!.
I think he’s comparing it to the scientific method where each scientist is bias, but when each is pitted against one another with rules of engagement, the scientific institution works better than any on of its components?
haha Tom looks like he took a 16 year olds outfit to go undercover, good episode tho love Sam :]
i cannot overestimate how spot on are both points of that sentence!
Hello there fellow children!
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Tom is acting like Sam controls all media and is keeping key information from people. It is one podcast. There are plenty of other blogs, podcasts, and media that can talk about it. If the people interested in it find something important, they can advertise it and others will pick it up.
Thanks for the conversation. Sam is an I,operant voice regardless of the contentious topics at hand.
The analogy that focusing on side effects is like focusing on conspiracy theories is excellent.
A tremendous example of useful dialogue between two intelligent people who disagree!
"a liability in even having the conversation" that is line that no-one is fit to control, regardless of its shades of truth.
I disagree. As society becomes more and more complex, we have to outsource more and more to make decisions about anything. I’m not suggesting blinded trust, but as he says we have to sufficiently invest enough into our institutions to be able to reliably trust that we have safety rails in place to prevent corruption / malicious practise in these arenas. We outsource so much of our perspective to people that we trust are dedicated and close enough to the given topic that we can reliably choose to agree with.
@@MattTheGunner I see the opposite, less and less of that with the diffusion of information through a multitude of channels in the internet.
Media at its best were doing that decently well. Paper editorial board would put say 100 articles in a daily newspaper, postpone 50 and not use 500. All (reasonably) truthful and (somewhat) newsworthy. They'd also rank it with maybe 5 most important on front page. Of course this is still being done but anyone who uses social media as primary source is in effect having a yellow pages scandal amplifier overlaid on all of it. It's nice when it can counter institutional censorship, but 90% of the time it just reintroduces more noise that those editorial boards were removing.
Also because they are not mostly paid by the issue, but mostly by the specific ad view, they now have incentive to hyper promote the eye catching scandal. 20 years ago they of course also used it to promote front page, but overall issue tried to comprehensively cover the whole country (for national newspaper) and now every article is tilted towards scandal and bombastic headline.
Thank you so much Tom for sharing this conservation🙏❤️
This is a good conversation. It is refreshing to see people being able to talk out the things that they disagree about without ending up just screaming at the sky.
My non-American friend just went to San Francisco for business. He said he couldn't believe his eyes. It was like a dystopia in parts. Ironically, he was doing business in boardrooms with wealthy high-tech folks trying to figure out how to help the needy in developing countries. He said to me, "It didn't seem to concern them that outside the building they were in were the people who needed help." Very SF.
Systemic racism? Where’s that happening?
You've ever been to any westernized country, or anywhere on planet earth?
Ignoring the problem only perpetuates the problem.
Yt ppl who sit amongst their racist friends and family saying and doing nothing is where it's happening.
Two yt boys talking about black issues with the absence of blk ppl to chime in, is the problem they have zero experience the same as yiu
China, Africa, India, Thailand, Malaysia.
@@rogerc23 How would you describe the Racism in these countries, in your own words?
@@mikebasketball11Laws on the books that give certain ethnic groups one set of rights and then a different set of rights for another ethnic group.
@@mikebasketball11 Yeah. It's bizarre but true. i've lived abroad for decades. After a while you just get used to the racism.
It sounds more cultural and customs than race. Why are recent and poor Koreans, Indians, and Vietnamese do well in two decades? 🤷🏾♂️
Because they weren't enslaved in this country and everytime they built something it wasn't burnt down by racist white people. Did you ever ask why they couldn't make it in their country and came over here.
Do Poor Koreans, Indians, and Vietnamese come to American and live where they can afford like the ghetto. Do they go to inadequate and dilapidated schools? Why not, they starting from the bottom right?
self selection, "brain drain)
Perhaps those most successful immigrant minorities have stronger family ties, cultural roots and values, etc. Other less financially successful minorities in the US have broken families, no strong feeling of cultural belonging, less connected communities.
@@77zztop that's what I mean African Americans whole culture was slavery, jimcrow, civil rights, Willie lynch, dealing with white supremacy ect directly effected who we are and how we move
"You don't want the DEI version of brain surgeons."
Classic Sam.
The problem with that argument is: dei is only at the entrance level. Once you get in the college(pilot/surgeon) everybody have to cross same threshold of passing marks in the exam.
@@swapblue That makes sense. I heard they have lowered the threshold for exams though. I have no idea if that's true. Im not affiliated with any higher learning entity.
@@swapbluethat completely misses the point
@@fleekwoodmac3705 i would oppose lowering threshold for actual exams. But in India, we only do it at the entrance level. Once you get in the course, you have to pass it with same threshold as any other.
@@umberto488 how?
My appreciation for Harris continuing to go on other podcasts has never been higher. He’s just so well reasoned and thoughtful I can’t listen enough.
Sometimes, sometimes not.
As part of that silent majority, I thank you, Sam, for taking the heat for sanity! You are my voice of reason among so many fraudulent podcasters just shilling to expand their base.
As an evangelical Christian for peace, I disagree with some things, but I love this. This feels like a free exhange of ideas.
As an evangelical Christian, I bet you disagree with a lot of things. Such as: owning another human being as property is moral; mutilating the genitalia of children is normal and permissible; the complete eradication of a group of people is fine, as long as the proper "authority" orders it; homosexuality is an abomination that should be infinitely punishable.
I mean, shit, the list goes on and on. But AT LEAST you loved this!
You're a good person, @markaja2
You lost me at EVANGELICAL 🤔
Evangelical Christianity is literally a cult. You can get out. I did.
This discussion seems to approach our problems from the viewpoint our society is making bad choices.
What if the consequences of our bad choices -- or choices made for us by those wielding power -- are intentional?
This is the whole part of the conversation that was missing. They seem to overlook the elephant in the room, which is that the government works as a corporate fascist duopoly dictatorship working directly for the rich!!! One significant way we could solve a lot of social problems is if we structured the tax system so that it's not just the middle and lower classes propping everything up because the Uber rich are not paying their fair share of tax!!!
I think both Tom and Sam represented thier respective viewpoints well. To which, I think the real issue at hand becomes apparent. Institutional trust vs personal intuition. Both with thier drawbacks. As institutions have grown in power their corruption has become more damaging and more pubic. Just think, the Federal Reserve, social media, intelligence agencies, health orgainizations, they have not existed to this extent ever in the past, and thier influences are only increasing. They are unelected, unaccountable, and subvert democracy as thier desires, which are just as open to corruption as any, influence policy more than the peoples elected officials. They become de facto government without the checks and balances, and have rightfully caused a reactional red flag amoung many. Relying on intuitions though, as Sam highlights, is not possible for many issues and is fraught with emotional biases and leads to conspiratorial thinking. This can open the door to public manipulation and perhaps a backdoor to the same ending. Institutions vs intuitions will be greater at odds until a better solution can be trustfully implemented.
"They are unelected, unaccountable, and subvert democracy as their desires" - sounds like a lot of RUclips; we've met the enemy, and it is us.
Well said.
46 minute mark or so - well done! The best part of the show. Excellent modeling. And great show. Just discovered you and I love your style!
Found you through your latest talk with Destiny, this is my second video - the concepts and thoughts you are working through in the two video's I've watched so far are impressive - more conversations like this need to exist. You've earned a sub today - i look forward to finding out if the rest of your videos are as enlightening
On the subject of high crime incidents among blacks, Tom Bilyeu and others make the argument that blacks' circumstance and background are to blame. Underprivileged Jews who came to the US faced similar discrimination and harassments (they still do, facing bias and anti-Semitism). The early immigrant Jews however, despite their poverty and lack of opportunities, dedicated themselves to hard work and their children to education. Same with the Chinese community. As an example, my black roommate at MIT described the harsh circumstances of his childhood in Chicago. He credited his mom for telling him not to spend time with other black kids playing in their rough neighborhood. She told him if he sees blacks on his sidewalk, he should cross the street to the other side. She knew a thing or two about the problem.
Immigrant Jews came from a background from which hard work and education were known paths to success, whereas American blacks came from a background where hard work was a life sentence and education was discouraged.
American blacks had a lower incidence of wedlock children than whites once upon a time. It's the Great Society and LBJ that destroyed them. You can only pay people to have fatherless children for so long. Then we have to address what Gary Webb revealed: the CIA introduced crack cocaine in their neighborhoods to fund their shenanigans. My point being: the government has done a whole lot to produce this culture...let's not forget the entertainment that's been marketed to them for the past few decades by a certain ethnicity that owns it all.
that's called nailing it
@@RO-uz4oiEducation discouraged?
@@JohnnyArtPavlou yes, do you disagree?
Wow! Tom brings a ton of awesome brain teasers to the table. Every time, Sam Harris responds like a chess champion with a bunch of steps thought out.
I’ll never get tired of listening to Sam Harris speak on pretty much any issue
@@brianmeen2158 Neither will Sam.
The biggest TRUTH people need to know is being a convicted felon with 37 felonies, it is NOT a good thing in ANY circumstance!✌️
What they are doing to Trump is way more serious than what Trump did
You should ask yourself WHY more often.
I'm voting Trump 2024. No matter what.
@@Quinston82 because he's a criminal and a traitor
@maxxpro4 because you're in a cult and you want America to become a dictatorship so go ahead I actually hope he wins so he can finish the job and you suckers will learn the hard way...
Excellent interview. You have got a subscriber.
In the huge world of opinion commentators, Sam Harris is an outstanding voice. His dissection of issues is well reasoned and supported. I don't necessarily disagree with his DEI opinion, but it fails to recognize that nepotism for entry into 'elite' colleges is much more prevalent than DEI.
Sam never misinterprets data. He just always interprets it such that trump is bad and kamala good.
Why don't Conservative Christians care about The Planet or The Homeless? Why is there such a disconnect . Why do Conservatives want to end Social Security and Welfare ? When they know it is to save children and the weak and infirm ? They all will need these services eventually! They all will have somebody close to them that need and deserve help . This is what I can not understand . Do they all assume that they will always have family to save them? Or will their Church take care of them? I think not .
Yes that's the idea of a strong Christian family and community. Help your family and give 10% to the church for them to help others who can't help themselves. Instead the government takes a lot more than 10% of your income and does very little to help the people who truly need it. It's no longer a safety net, and instead a hammock. The idea of a net is to catch you when you fall, not for you to relax in. People abuse these "nets" and then makes it more difficult for people who truly need it while also holding captive the abusers because they become reliant.
Christians are 5x more likely to donate/volunteer for charity than atheists. The idea that farmers don't care about their farms is a cartoonish straw-man. You are living in a bubble. They want to solve these problems, everyone does. They just don't trust corrupt bureaucrats to solve these problems. Studies show progressives think conservatives are misinformed, while progressives think conservatives are genuinely immoral, which side has more empathy do you think?
Here in New Zealand we have a welfare system. There are people in this country that grew up with parents on welfare, that then go on welfare themselves. Absolutely useless people. Just pull the "depression card", and no questions are asked. People like myself that are against welfare, do so because of situations like this. People that take advantage of it. Or even people that get trapped on it.
That's a broad assumption. I'm not conservative, but I am Protestant. The problem is the government is not spending money to help people most of the time. I feel like I'm giving money to a degenerate gambler at this point.
@@ParkerGuy89 and yet we want to give them more and hope they just all of the sudden start doing the right things with it. No. We should have a small central government that controls the military, foreign affairs, and manages monopolies/trusts. Everything else should be left to the states where citizens can actually vote on what they believe.
Props for having an open conversation.
JUST FOUND YOUR "IMPACT THEORY"---AND I'M LIKING IT!!!
It's not so much the educators (though that certainly is an important factor), it's having a support structure around the students, (i.e. mothers and fathers) who care, who supervise, who hold accountable and who create disciplined students who give a shit about what's happening in their classrooms.
Tom, aside from poverty and even better predictor is broken homes. Rich kids with abusive parents do not generally do well. Broken homes are more correlated with bad outcomes than poverty. Agreed poverty is an issue. But also want you to include this.
They are hereditary too - along with ADHD, etc
We pay taxes so the state and country can make the environment safe and viable. If the government isn't helping the company then why should the company pay?
No. actually. Grace Commission Report says that not one nickel of taxpayer money goes to fund the US government as presumed. It's their own documents.
So the roads, the legal system, the infrastructure, foreign diplomacy - including the army -"isn't helping"?
@@M.Linogepeople are gonna pretend police and roads etc come out of thin air. Also thinking that no environmental regulation will make competing companies regulate themselves for good will or for popularity among customers and only profit would somehow always have enough care for the environment. People won't think deeper cause that might make them change their minds and that hurts the ego.
@@Censeoexactly. libertarian mind rot in action.
@@Censeoall fails
I like how Mr Harris is never wrong, just misunderstood, very impressive.
Yeah bang on. The more I watch SH, the more I realise this
He's given examples of how podcast guests changed his mind about things. He's talked about being wrong about things on his podcast. When he doesnt know enough about a topic, he acknowledges he doesnt know the answers. So no, not really.
Love Sam ‘s clarity on things.
Subscribed...This was a very good podcast!
Tom seems to think that a direct democracy or a republic is superior because the people choose what they want directly or via representatives. This is categorically false. The only thing you can consistently count on is the people will choose incorrectly most of the time. Also, how the Representatives don’t follow through with voting for what people elected them for. So, you can’t count on the people within a democracy. If you don’t believe this, just think about Islamic countries that are democracies and how the people voted into power in the United States, conservative Christians for the South, and the woke folk in the liberal cities and the West Coast.
Democracy is a superior government because it allows the people to complain about their government and, most importantly, transition to a different government peacefully and without bloodshed. That is why Trump threatens American democracy and why Sam sees what happened on January 6 that much more damming than the Hunter Biden laptop thing, which is a minor political corruption scandal at best by comparison
Democracy also can fail with corruption, misinformation, tyranny of the majority and slow bureaucracy. If those become the norm Democracy becomes a chaotic hellhole of racism, inequality, rebellion and inefficiency.
Democracy is an illusion.
Minorities are over-policed because they can't afford lawyers to protect themselves. It’s a lot easier to go to a poor neighborhood and pull people over, take their property than go on a campus. Police are so comfortable killing minorities that they do it on tape as they did with George Floyd. Maybe there's more black on black killings but he brushes over the FACT that law enforcement is just another gang and the whole system of politicians have been the most powerful gang in the country for the longest time they're quite literally gangsters. You can look up the articles. There are whole TV series about corrupt cops. They are just like street gangs with tattoos and everything. It’s just we give them big paychecks for their ‘WAR ON DRUGS’ People don't want to talk about that.
Democracy can also fail due to the inability to get candidates who are even worth voting for. Any time the only decision a democracy can make is - for the least worst candidate INSTEAD OF for the best candidate - then it is equally subverted. The only thing worse would be the "coronation" of a President or Prime Minister, which completely destroys the democracy itself.
Wouldn’t you say all those things are already happening now? Except I would substitute tyranny of the minority in there for majority. While often times misguided the majority in the US is attempting to have a live and let live cultural framework. But the minority has been playing the long game for decades and has key pieces in key places like never before and are trying to force their morality based on Christianity. Trump winning would be another key piece in place, maybe the final piece that completes the tyranny puzzle that was set in motion long before most of us were zygote babies or whatever.
The NY Times holding off on talking about a laptop story that they haven't had time to properly investigate isn't single-handedly going to make people lose trust in institutions. People would just grab onto something else to claim is the reason they lost trust. And, going with a story before the journalists had time to check it out could lose people's trust in institutions in a more substantial way.
Not sure why 75% of people in the comment section are unable to grasp this simple concept. Cheers.
How long did it take for the Times to "properly" investigate the story?
Like Julie swetnicks allegations?
Tell that to Tara reade.
If you think that's why they didn't talk about it I'd turn up the skepticism meter and expand your information sources.
FYI the fbi had the laptop for a year before this story surfaced. They knew it was real.
Remember the 51 intelligence experts who said it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation?
Brace yourself - they were lying.
It's the perception of it and the current environment that would magnify the lost trust. It confirmed what everyone wanted desperately to believe. Not saying you're wrong, but it really is a tough call. We should just be able to admit that.
Sam was great in There is something about Mary.
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Thanks to Jordan Peterson I dared to listen to (atheist) Sam Harris, and I love the way Sam approaches the topics even when I don't agree. Thanks to Tom B. I'm motivated to give Sam the benefit of the doubt whenever he is attacked and verify anything is been said about him.
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Sam, please add video to your podcasts? I'd watch it all the time.
The first Top Gun competition was won by the Tuskegee Airmen in 1949. For 46 years the official records showed that the winners "Unknown". We've had less qualified people in top positions for generations just because they were part of the majority.
Change the tax laws and reform welfare programs break up all monopolies and lobbyist stop illegal immigration send all young Americans to a third world country what the documentary on education Waiting on Superman
That’s not what’s happening today. Cool whataboutism story though.
@@vincentyoung8472 Where is your proof that that's not what's happening today? Your father and grandfathers took opportunities that they were less qualified for than their black, asian, hispanic, etc...counterparts. And they did it happily because they were part of the demographic majority.
It was ok if they did sub-par work because their friends would just back them up.
To protect your fragile egos you have to continue repeating the lie that we are not equal.
What black Americans need to do is completely ignore you and just continue progressing. It's us wanting to work with you that has been the problem all along.
The official records did not show the winners as "Unknown' for 46 years". Instead, the victory of the Tuskegee Airmen was just not widely acknowledged or celebrated.
In 1995, the U.S. Air Force officially recognized the 332nd Fighter Group's victory in the competition, rectifying the historical oversight.
@@rogerbritus9378 I put a link here to a CBS Story that showed that the official records said "unknown", but RUclips took that down. You're 100% wrong, but someone highlighted you reply. It's crazy how you all try to erase history.
I support building affordable housing in Sam's neighborhood
What if there is no RUclips comment that could helpfully move the needle on any subject ? 😅
I agree with Sam on almost everything except on the current state of affairs of Israel and Palestine. Nonetheless he is a brilliant thinker. Now, I do urge him to take a trip to China, Russia to broaden his horizon. Thank me later.
"Because us solving a bit of this problem won't solve the entire problem, we shouldn't do it at all." This is the reasoning that always comes up whenever a potential solution might discomfort people at the top. Notice this.
No problem ever gets solved using this rationale.
@ 1:36:38 "If we have an FDA we can trust" 🤣🤣🤣
There is no actual "government" agency that can be "trusted." they are all aspects of the same "legal" fictional "Corporation pretending to be government" deception.
What makes you claim you can't trust the FDA?
@@seag1492 Look up the Wiki entry "Criticism of the Food and Drug Administration", then follow the several thousand hyperlinks of evidence WHY we cannot trust the FDA.
One of the leading causes of homelessness is, in fact, lack of affordable housing. As in, this problem has been repeatedly studied, and those are the findings. It's not an afterthought to be dismissed. Additionally, the other social causes of homelessness are in part due to class dynamics, such as the cutting of social services or the stress poverty causes people. It's really astonishing to hear someone downplay all this while completely ignoring actual data that people have gathered on these subjects.
I was thinking the same thing!! Or how about the corruption in government, and how it just basically functions as a corporate fascist duopoly dictatorship working directly for the rich!!!!
I’ve been renting cheap rooms my whole life. Lack of housing is a myth
Both of them are spouting typical libertarian and alt right bro propaganda. Sad to see Tom having taken such a hard right in recent years.
One of, but the data is not at all clear what the leading cause is, because there is usually multiple factors at play. 30% of chronically homeless people have mental health conditions. If the data were clear, it would be easier to fix.
How anyone can not see his point on this laptop situation after how he has spelled it out is wild to me. People just want to feel like their rights are being violated all the time anymore. They made an editorial decision. The end.
Because he acknowledged in an interview that he knew it wasn’t an editorial decision and that powers were colluding to prevent the electorate from knowing about it. And that he said that was a good thing. He’s tried to reframe his “we must prevent democracy to protect democracy” position several times. Almost as incoherent as his takes during Covid
They actively suppressed crucial information in the lead up to an election. While dozens of "former" intelligence officials condemned the laptop as fraud, the FBI, an organisation ostensibly under the authority of the President, kept completely quiet and pretty much ushered Biden into office, even though the corruption contained therein is much worse than both Trump and Hillary are accused of.
If the entire media, social media and government landscape is willing to twist the information landscape to defeat Trump, how can anyone decide if that is legitimate? Your very means of assessing the situation has been manipulated by one side.
Sam knows this and is willing to ignore it, because it satisfies his coalitional power insticts.
how is saying it was Russian disinformation an editorial decision? Unless you are saying lying is also an editorial decision?
@actyrrel by saying peacefully protest? The bit they excluded from the hearings? Good take, D0RK.
@@hoagied3783It wasn't allowed on Twitter. You could still read the NY post on any other site. If the government truly were trying to hide, they did a quarter ass job at trying to do that.
Thx for the moral landscape
If the subject of homelessness was simple we would have solved it
How nice that Sam wants to decide what news we hear and which we don’t, just so he can keep the candidate he dislikes from becoming President.
Reminds me of the Rush lyric
“Those who know what’s best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves”
Thank you Tom for pointing out the horrific second order effects of this kind of thing - which is the complete erosion of trust in the very democracy Sam wants desperately to defend 💁♂️
We’ve taken care of everything
The words you read
The songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure
To your eye
One for all and all for one
Work together
Common sons
Never need to wonder
How or why
That was exactly what I got from this too.
This is a man who believes no one in America is starving yet we can clearly see homeless men, women, and children on the street. Many are working 40 hours a week and still cannot afford the basics to live. No one in America should be hungry or homeless and working.
The interviewer is unbearable! Likes the sound of his own voice too much, let Sam speak more!
If we want a functional meritocracy, we need to change school funding models so that the quality of education in the poorest neighborhoods is equal to the quality in the richest neighborhoods.
No. We need real education systems, not part-time prison systems, regardless of neighborhoods. We had them once, we can have it again. The meaning of education itself must change. Prepare children for adulthood, instead of preparing them for full-time adult incarceration.
Even then, give it two generations.
A great conversation - thank you!
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Sam = balance reflective and rational thought.
Sam Harris, is one of most farsighted, smartest, moral people alive today. This is not a 'team' statement. This an objective assessment.
This is obviously a subjective opinion. Don't be foolish enough to think otherwise.
@@jmc5335 Feeding me your subjective opinion is neither objective nor is it unbiased. You have some imagined beef with Sam Harris? Good for you, welcome to the world. Now get over it, and make an objective assessment. Failing that resist the urge to paint others with your obviously blinkered preoccupation.
@@aggressivecalm Unlike you I've never claimed objectivity.
However, I think it's plain to see that man who propagated far right propaganda, that tells us that French Muslims are capable of miracles, is disqualified from being considered to be the most farsighted, smart moral people alive today.
@@jmc5335 Good grief.
Anybody placing hippie, Sam Harris as a far right advocate disqualifies them from speculation in general. (In future, lead with this, and save me some time.)
@@aggressivecalm You've just misrepresented me. This is a cardinal sin in Harris-land.
However, seeing as he has said that fascists speak most honestly about Islam and he has said that he shares most of his politics with Trump, I can see why you misrepresented me in such a manner.
1:55 The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions.
No, stupidity leads the path to nowhere.
@@bellakrinkle9381 You have to have a certain baseline intelligence to engage in the level of doublethink that is now the norm. Normal stupid people just laugh and walk away. Embracing the contradictions and encouraging others to self-immolate to assuage your projected guilt is a dumpster-chute from the penthouse that the ego transforms into yellow-brick road. Not stupid. Insane.
Actually its ''The road to hell is paved with good intentions'' close but not quite lol
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What is by design?
That doesn't make any sense without some frame of reference. What is "all?" What design? Who's doing the designing? Maybe you just have special knowledge you're keeping from everyone else. Except "bingo" dude. He knows, too. Not sharing, though. Smart.
1:34:10 Sam changes the subject into talking about nocebo. Tom raised the concern of Sam seemingly dismissing the democratic process as ‘a liability’ - this is a different subject to ‘trusting the experts’. Sam filibusters off point for quite a while, and this successfully steered Tom off that into talking about ‘trusting the experts’ again
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Experts are what has allowed us to fly and drive safely, and not to die of tuberculosis or smallpox, just to give a few examples. People seem to have forgotten that...
@@tefilobraga so now you have moved off topic, which was the point of my post
Great interviewer. Solid toolkit. You earned a new subscriber.