Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs. Christopher Hitchens - Full Debate [HD]
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2014
- On April 4, 2009, William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens met at Biola University to debate the question of God’s existence. Craig is one of the world’s foremost Christian apologists. Hitchens, is a leading spokesman for the “new atheism” movement.
In front of an overflow crowd and a global internet audience, they debated the origin and design of the universe, the implications of human morality, the deity of Jesus, and the validity of Christ’s resurrection. It was a compelling clash of worldviews and an examination of the major arguments for and against Christianity and atheism.
These guys clearly don’t know how to argue their points so I have come to the comment section to hear from the experts.
Right, the experts on God...
Google scientist I guess?
@Ψ perhaps the interpretation was too good haha
@Ψ and Im not saying they cant comment about it -_-
@Ψ Anyone claiming to be an expert in God, whatever that means, is an expert in nothing.
Man, the guy that I like DESTROYED the guy that I don't like
lol. precisely what 99% of people watching this think. thanks for posting this comment.
@Brendan Moriarty brendan moriarty, asking the real questions
Well, the purpose of the comment was to point out that people are more likely to be biased towards the view they believe rather than looking at the arguments objectively. I personally am a Christian, but I think that both Craig and Hitchens had some good arguments. I also think that Hitchens could have answered some of those questions more directly and I think that Craig could have listened more to what Hitchens was saying to respond better. It seemed like they were both focused on making there own case instead of responding adequately to the other person.
All I've picked up so far (20 minutes in), is that craig doesn't understand the big bang theory
@@tristanbenware3972 neither do any scientists.
IDK if someone already said this and it got buried, but the debate starts 13:00
Do you mean WLC low-bar Bill got buried, period? LMAO
Bless you
@@ogbonnasam9997 Why!?
Although every second of the 13 minutes was enjoyable
No it doesn't mate
Hitchens calling the Putin regime a dictatorship in 2009....Who is watching this in 2024?
I mean, he got 88% of the vote, so clearly he is the preferred candidate… 😂😅🧐🥸🫡😵
Hitchens was a war monger
@@millbrook7384 Not as preferred as the human God Kim Jung Il 😂😅🧐🥸🫡😵
@@millbrook7384 imagine believing that
@@thiagowutzkeod2453sarcasm
I've had the pleasure in my life to have attended debates that featured Christopher Hitchens. As a theist I found him to be abrasive and often angering, but that speaks more to his brilliance because he forced me to think. We don't have to agree on anything to be kind to one another. If you are making disgusting comments about him, it is my contention that it speaks more about you than about the late Mr Hitchens.
This^^ that's called reaching across the aisle...
Derric Hovekamp of all the people whom I have heard make statements and comments about life after death, heaven and such things, and say without apologizing that they were wrong, I'm curious what they have to say now that they are in the axact place they swore didn't exist. what do they have to brag about now.
I'm sorry, but that is such an extraordinary claim that I implore you to provide extraordinary evidence to back up said claim.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” - Christopher Hitchens
Derric Hovecamp - You was forced to think.... that means you are not a theist anymore, right? This should be the logical outcome of thinking, I mean, rationaly of course. Everybody think. Some rationaly. Many irrationaly.
Derric Hovenkamp,
Well said.
It's almost impossible to win an argument with a genius. It's even harder to win an arguement with an idiot.
Man, that is very Funny, then Who is it ??? 😅
Storm Blacklock You must be an idiot then
You couldn't be more correct.
Mike Biagio How
@@testacer5101 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Man, i have never missed a man never knew so much. Rest in peace Hitchens.
Let's eat grandma or let's eat, grandma.
@@LGpi314 The rule is that you must separate words that aren’t part of the sentence but instead comment on the meaning of the sentence. Put another way, introductory words that appear at the beginning of a sentence are set off from what follows by commas. If you omit these words, the sentence still means the same thing. Common introductory words include yes, no, well, oh, okay and in this case "man". As in geez or sheesh. 🤣🤦♂️
@kidsyx if the word are not part of it, then why do you need to put them there to begin with. It makes no sense.
I have seen no proof tonight that Santa Claus doesn’t exist.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Only the evil=stupid people can think that, I quote: “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” because *each sin is causing harm (useless suffering) to others and/or to ourselves,* departing us from Divinity, from perfection. That is why we always have to strive to *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48 as Jesus Christ has said. Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
@@filmeseverinbut also we shouldn’t have the hubris to judge others on their morality because “For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.” -Romans 3:23. You think you know god. I think I have a moral personal code. I see many Christians cheer on Israel’s attacks on Gaza; attacks that kill more women and children than combatants. I thought killing children was a moral atrocity that we could all agree is wrong. I don’t judge all Christians based on the ones who overlook today’s atrocities but I think Christians should think twice before judging atheists morals.
*All evil has been done because of stupidity and the main/worst stupidity has always been to not listen by God/Jesus.*
In particular, for mankind, if ALL people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ, *besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father, to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves,* all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen.
Without *true belief* in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen, unfortunately:
- so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);
- so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction... not used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, better housing (resistant to earthquakes...), financing of useful inventions, recycling, reforestation etc.
- sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy ... stupidity in general.
We should never fight against each other but only against our lack of useful knowledge / wisdom (for decreasing our ignorance), while loving / respecting each other as we love / respect ourselves, these being the main requests of God/Jesus.
Therefore, both science and proper education are very important to understand God's creation and what is better, regarding the human behavior, so that ALL of us can be not only happier in our ephemera life into this world (while we are still alive here) but also deserving, or at least allowable, for perpetual life in Heaven (after leaving this world).
Ahhh yess... The perfect recommendation at 2 am
Finally I'll be able to fall asleep questioning my logic and beliefs
Don't forget your identity.
Staring at the ceiling, late at night, questioning your identity, is not to be forgotten.
:P
@@FabledNarrative Check your watch every 30 seconds and remember who you are and where you came from :D
Same!!!! 😊
I’ll pray for you today because I’ve struggled similarly. I’ve come to Christ (or Him to me) and I pray you get there too
Night night
the actual debate doesn't start until 0:13:45
Thanks
God bless your imaginary soul
TY so much!!!
Thank you
Thank you.
I’m proud to be an ex-Muslim although nobody around me knows and I’ve hidden it as to not get punished of course, I’m glad I could watch this debate, there have been others like Christoper hitches that have helped me realize what it means to think freely without the thought of receiving divine punishment for thinking this way, my mind and thoughts have become more well receiving of new ideas and logical thinking, it really does feel weird in a good way and I’m truly thankful. 😊😊
Anyway, people should know that not the labels that people put one another are important for the Creator of this reality (such as: Atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu...) but *our deeds* instead, how we use the freedom He has offered, our free will, to strive always to do only good, to never cause useless suffering (any damage) to others and to ourselves.
*_"For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God."_* 1 Peter 2,15 - 16 That is why we have to be servants/lovers of perfection (100% goodness, wisdom, justice...).
As Jesus Christ has said: "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5, 48
*_"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"_* Matthew
7, 21-23
After a finite number of years we all will leave this world and will receive what we deserve. According to the following two testimonies (and many hundreds more available online; even I had a true NDE) all evil we do, which cannot be forgiven by Divinity, is sending us to hell, instead of Heaven:
"Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life - Pt 1";
"Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life - Pt 2";
"Man Sees Unthinkable Horrors in Hell - Christians Being Tortured! (Mario Martinez)".
Therefore, the believing of the truth revealed by God/Jesus will help / convince / determine... us to always strive to do only good for the rest of our earthly life (and to always regret deeply our bad deeds, to sin no more), to be easier for us at the Judgment, to go into Heaven before many others, to never taste hell, to be more loved by Divinity, but *ALL humans will be judged for their deeds* (as seen into those videos mentioned).
*_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
I wish only well to everyone and as much wisdom as possible for everyone! To be saved!
Well done, it must be tough when surrounded by religious bigots. Keeping asking questions when it is safe to do so!
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@snonegoodbutgodjohn363 God is perfect in everything and you should understand that many people have never done many of the sins you use to mention into your messages. God knows exactly each human's sins and what can be forgiven for each of us, indeed, through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
In order to understand one of the most important aspects of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity), anyone can read the following parable:
A very straight emperor has lost a battle because of a traitor. That traitor was proved to be even his mother, who was the being he loved the most. Known for his honesty and fairness, the king had to judge and punish his mother in the same way as on any other person, and the punishment for high treason consisted of 100 lashes. When soldiers went to his mother to take her to apply the punishment, the king came down from the throne and placed himself in his mother's place, suffering all the 100 lashes.
Thus, in the sacrifice of Jesus, God is that righteous king, He, descended from the throne to bear the punishment, is Jesus, the traitor who had to be punished being us, humans.
Sacrifice is the only way for perfection to turn the ignorant ones from their using of freedom for evil intentionally, because only dictators use force, but Divinity is the opposite of a dictator.
After a finite number of years we all will leave this world and will receive what we deserve. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
According to the following two testimonies (and many hundreds more available online; even I had a true NDE) all evil we do, which cannot be forgiven by Divinity, is sending us to hell, instead of Heaven:
"Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life - Pt 1";
"Atheist College Professor dies and sees hell and demons - it changed his life - Pt 2";
"Man Sees Unthinkable Horrors in Hell - Christians Being Tortured! (Mario Martinez)".
Therefore, the believing of the truth revealed by God/Jesus will help / convince / determine... us to always strive to do only good for the rest of our earthly life (and to always regret deeply our bad deeds, to sin no more), to be easier for us at the Judgment, to go into Heaven before many others, to never taste hell, to be more loved by Divinity, but *ALL humans will be judged for their deeds* (as seen into those videos mentioned).
I wish only well to everyone and as much wisdom as possible for everyone! To be saved!
Atheism doesn't fall into true or false. It just says that there's no proof for god
In brief, the Creator of this world (God/Divinity) exists because this reality, with us into it, is not the result of nothing, or the result of no intelligence, because *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes.*
That is why atheists renounce to elementary logic and to simple rationality intentionally when they believe that this reality has always existed without any intelligence involved.
*God is not bounded by what He has created,* but atheists, in their superficiality, do not want to recognize their limitations. For example, science will never be able to really know, at least, what a photon is (the magnification process being infinite). Regarding the Creator of this reality (the nature of God etc.), our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them (comparison mentioned in the Bible), but *we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to see God and what He expects from us.*
Therefore, those wise enough understand that *God is not bounded by time (not being bounded by what He has created), respectively He is eternal, always existed, which means that He was not created,* but atheists ignore, also, the other fact already mentioned by me about the nature of God that *our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them". Anyway, they have no excuse because we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to understand.*
The rest can be read into my thread posted 22 hours ago, found easily after sorting the comments.
Yes, it is not a belief system like a religion.
GOOD observation!
No, atheism is the positive statement, that God does not exist. A-theism.
Otherwise it can not be distinguished from agnosticism.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Those 12 word sums up atheism perfectly!
Here's another thing i tend to say when people ask why i call myself an atheist:
Religious people believe 1 god and reject 999 gods, as an atheist I simply reject all 1000 gods.
@@Car_Mo Well...I mean you aren't actually saying that all religions are equally plausible?
@RUSSIAN ROBOT experiences aren't evidence they are anecdotes
I agree. Atheism can simply be dismissed. It is a mentally bankrupt belief.
@RUSSIAN ROBOT what evidence do you have for the magic man's existence? Your backwards superstitious nonsense has none
"Threatening an atheist with hell is like threatening to punch them in the aura." that's hilarious
Hahahaha 😂😂😂 needed a laugh!!!
@@markusbaker1161 You are always welcome.
Atheists are stupid. They aren't that skeptical when it comes to day to day life and somehow become very skeptical when it comes to God. They can't define the criterion for proof or disproof, just try very hard to stick with their lunacy with stupid arguments.
Warning an atheist about Hell is like warning 18th century peasant digging up clumps of peat for fuel about climate change
@@malcolmmitchell4709 "Warning an atheist about Hell" You sure can try. I as an atheist don't believe in hell so I'm good.
I've been depressed all my life until I started watching Hitchens. He had a realistic point of view to me. Same with George Carlin
Those who sort the comments and read enough from my posts (both answers and threads) can see that *I have proved* that this reality has been created by an Intelligence (called God / the Creator) whose nature will never be really comprehended by humans (because of our proved limitations) except through Jesus Christ, the human form of God.
*All evil has been done because of stupidity and the main/worst stupidity has always been to not listen by God/Jesus.*
In particular, for mankind, if ALL people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ, *besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father, to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves,* all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen.
Without *true belief* in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen, unfortunately:
- so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);
- so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction... not used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, better housing (resistant to earthquakes...), financing of useful inventions, recycling, reforestation etc.
- sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy ... stupidity in general.
We should never fight against each other but only against our lack of useful knowledge / wisdom (for decreasing our ignorance), while loving / respecting each other as we love / respect ourselves, these being the main requests of God/Jesus.
Therefore, both science and proper education are very important to understand God's creation and what is better, regarding the human behavior, so that ALL of us can be not only happier in our ephemera life into this world (while we are still alive here) but also deserving, or at least allowable, for perpetual life in Heaven (after leaving this world).
@@filmeseverin Bla bla bla.
Your god is the evil. If your god exists then it is a genocidal narcissistic psychopathic maniac. Bible says so.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Bla bla bla
Delusional stay delusional.
Is it ok for one human to own another? Will you kill your own child if god asks? Are those bad things?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There is one religious person who says that murder is wrong because god told him and another religious person comes and says that murder is good because god told him. In your presupposition's world, who is right?
Is it ok for one human to own another? Will you kill your own child if your god asks? Why do you worship an immoral god?
When you believe thousands of years ago, a guy expelled literal demons out of a person, cast them on to pigs, then the pigs drowned themselves in the sea.
Besides the fact that the Bible had to be understandable by the humans from thousands of years ago (many parts being told metaphorically, not literally), most people seem to not know that the fallen angels ruled by Satan have corrupted lots of things in this world to sustain the useless suffering, stupidity=evilness in general. That is why, if there are parts from the Bible, which contradict God's perfection, they are Satan's alterations/lies. *_"Satan, the one who deceives the whole world"_* Rev. 12, 9 (should be seen, also, the "Parable of the weeds" and 2 Corinthians 4, 4).
@@filmeseverin This is your Christianity at its best.
Kenyan police have exhumed dozens of bodies from shallows graves in the east of the country amid an investigation into followers of a Christian cult who believed they would go to heaven if they starved themselves to death.
Information provided by officials put the number of bodies exhumed so far as high as 47, according to media reports on Sunday.
All genocides and crusades in the name of your god.
Hitler was supported by the church. Church was celebrating his bday every year. Russian Church supports Putin. There is your Christianity at its best.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
“If we can’t go with a real theory, we go for a conspiracy theory.”
All animals in Gen 1:20-26 took their evolutionary descent form a single "kind"- Darwin got evolution form his Greek Bible - Genom meaning kind . This video explains it objectively - ruclips.net/video/dDN-4faodpY/видео.html
That depends on how you define the word "real"
@@TheWisdomRoom
kind,
is a nebulous, illdefined, meaningless unscientific term. hovind uses. kent hovind ...? you know ? unqualified renowned creationist moron.
kind, as a means to differentiate species is useless. ask some bona fide evolutionary biologists why its bogus. then you will learn something.
so you are a biblical evolutionist. lol do we assume you believe noah ?
lol an imaginary friend and an imaginary flood?. lol
@@TheWisdomRoom Youre tripping we all know that no gods exist, living or dead.
Anyone that says that they live by the bible is a complete and total liar.
@@TheWisdomRoom Lmmfao. . . You do know that the Greek bible was written in. . . Wait for it. . . GREEK.
"I never tire of debating religious people, because you never know what they´re gonna say next"
-Christopher Hitchens
Posted 25 mins ago... you're the chosen one
@@adharmi3458 lol
Christopher Hitchens was in error regarding the truth from/about God/Jesus.
I have been, also, an atheist until the vision received.
@@filmeseverin really?
some historian said that some people said Jesus was not in his grave and that makes you believe he is God?
could you be any more gullible?
@Subutai I´m an atheist,
and fuck you if that guys a murtad in your eyes.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching and listening to this discourse. Rest in Peace Mr Christopher Hitchens.
I doubt he is resting in peace. He probably desperately wishes to come back to earth for a different biography, but it's too late now
@@sumatra_7174nope not happening
@@sumatra_7174 Jesus loves Christopher more than he loves us and he is not being tormented anywhere if you claim to be person of God your consciousness wont go out of its way to constantley conceptualize misery but it will instead create and propose mercy for all things. or maybe you are a catholic which basically is satanism in that case go on keep professing your santeria voodo cult.
@@sumatra_7174 Probably ? Life and death is a mystery , we do not know whereor what he is now . We all go back to molecules ...
@@sumatra_7174How very loving of you
Most atheists are content to say “I don’t know,” regarding the origin of the universe. Religious apologetics seem determined to say they know.
Saying I don't know is an actual answer, insted of jumping to a conclusion like religion, we need to backtrack and work our way to the answer, thats how cured most diseases, it is how we found out the orbits of planets, they say atheist think there was nothing, meanwhile this god just make the universe from nothing, we don't have a clear answer, and we might not get that answer in our lifetime, thats future generation problem.
@@JohnTezlaNFS truth is there are more agnostics than athiests
@@JohnTezlaNFSit isn’t really an answer when you can reasonably debunk the answers provided and have good reason to accept evidence pointing towards a conclusion.
It is however a cope to deal with an answer you don’t like.
For people who "don't know" they sure seem to act like they know all religions are false. But ofc faith and leaps of logic are only for religious folks
@@stevenselleck5460 preach. they gon' cancel you for telling the truth. "how can you be so sure there is a God" It goes both ways you pricks. They're so sure there's no God without even looking a single bit into the faith or having an open mind. Cause i don't just believe in God, he believes in me.
I don't think Craig understands the fact that just because we don't have an explanation right now, doesn't mean there isn't one
Calling God of the gaps on metaphysics makes no sense. WLC made a perfectly logical argument that you should go with the best supported hypothesis until another better one takes its place, so unless you deny science on the grounds that we might find even better answers later, then you don’t have a point.
Also, Craig legit said absence of ev isn’t ev of absence, so I’m sure he’s well aware
@@whatsinaname691 the problem with that supported hypothesis is that, in essence, it doesn't differ from any other religion in the world, I mean, anyone can say for instance say "here is the book of Michael, Michael says the world was created by him, Michael exists, thus it is the best explanation and we should go with it".
Having an "argument" or as you said "hypothesis" is simply not enough, specially when such arguments makes such presumptions claims with so little evidence, Hitchens said something along the lines in the beginning.
Also, there's really no pressure at all to choose a religion when in fact we don't know the facts, that's actually rushed acting
@@whatsinaname691 Every God/Goddess has been disproven by other religious people.
That's basically the perfect summary of what Atheistic Faith is... You can't say that the irony of your words is non-existent.
@@MattanzaMafiaFedora Your faith has already been disproven by more devout religious folks.
Respect to Biola for actually platforming the opposition and providing a debate that students can derive their own conclusions from. Amazing how only about 6 years after this, the new norm is anything but hearing both sides
To many universities are nowno longer about learning, but indoctrination, sadly.
This video was posted in 2014. The actual debate was in 2009 and Hitchens died in 2011
I wonder what Mr Hitchens would have made of Trump.
timothy clancy If you don’t see the connection between religiosity and the current interloper, I can’t help you.
timothy clancy didn’t ask for your help. I was just musing.
Christopher Hitchens was a debate titan no one leaves a glove on him. I miss him dearly
Why miss someone who mocked God and disrespected the very life he existed in?
@@ralphangel561 That's what I suppose your religious faith has done to you. You simply are unable to respect another fellow human being that doesn't share your own views. Modernity isn't Christanity's biggest problem, it's the idea that civilisations can thrive together with all the differences and views they hold. I miss Christopher Hitchens for what he stood for.
@@ralphangel561 Why do you believe in imaginary things?
"disrespected the very life he existed in" What does it mean? LMAO
@@nikilk True Christians detest evilness=stupidity not the persons, but their bad deeds instead. The fighters against the truth about/from God/Jesus, the most important truth, think that a human being can be good enough without God/Jesus wisdom (laws, commandments), but they do not want to quit ALL their bad addictions to be really good humans, as the Creator wants us to be, and they do not want to love (care about) the others as they love (care about) themselves, as the true Christians do. Their idea of good is way too low than what it should be, and that is why so many people are still far from Heaven (they do not recognize their bad deeds).
After hearing the truth about/from God/Jesus, only those who want to use freedom for evil are opposing to Divinity, feeling their freedom restricted, the really good humans being happy to receive the confirmation for their love of / striving for goodness, wisdom, justice... for perfection, as Jesus Christ has said: *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
He really was an absolute champion in a debate, effortless humour, intelligence and class
Atheism doesn't claim truth. It states a position based on existing evidence. We don't say God doesn't exist, we say we don't believe in God because there is no reason to do so.
*All evil has been done because of stupidity and the main/worst stupidity has always been to not listen by God/Jesus.*
In particular, for mankind, if ALL people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ, *besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father, to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves,* all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen.
Without *true belief* in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen, unfortunately:
- so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);
- so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction... not used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, better housing (resistant to earthquakes...), financing of useful inventions, recycling, reforestation etc.
- sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy ... stupidity in general.
We should never fight against each other but only against our lack of useful knowledge / wisdom (for decreasing our ignorance), while loving / respecting each other as we love / respect ourselves, these being the main requests of God/Jesus.
Therefore, both science and proper education are very important to understand God's creation and what is better, regarding the human behavior, so that ALL of us can be not only happier in our ephemera life into this world (while we are still alive here) but also deserving, or at least allowable, for perpetual life in Heaven (after leaving this world).
@@filmeseverin Just stop.
@@brahmanspleroma3792 You are dealing with "copy-and-paste only" M0R0N filmseverin
Dr. Craig just won't let go of the argument that "Christopher has not presented any arguments that atheism is true." Hitchens addressed this directly multiple times....... In one ear and out the other..... and rather quickly
Because it's his job
Hm, similar can be said about Hitchens.
Craig is a psychotic lunatic
Yeah it was pretty frustrating when he would return to that tactic.
@@CedanyTheAlaskan I don't think Hitchens did so to anywhere near the same degree or against similarly valid criticism. Craig started with basically that exact same line at the beginning of each of his arguments, Hitchens at least attempted to deconstruct his arguments thoughtfully and with adaptability. I don't think the same can be said for Craig.
Why don’t our political debates happen this respectful, calm and rationally.
Appealing to emotion and playing to the audience is far more visually entertaining than reasoned discussion. If politicians had to build a convincing argument and cite facts as a basis, the population would realise they make it up as they go along.
i know right man i hope i woud be like that
Because they give a person just so much power
Because they rid themselves of the intelligentsia because they thought it would be wise
Now public opinion is formed by directly involving the people in discussions instead of letting them be arbiters between intellectuals, the only thing the people are somewhat good at
Bought and paid for 'intellectuals' telling the people what to think, the rise of the term 'intellectual honesty' while it was supposed to be integral
The 'dangers' of having capable intellectuals, debaters, ruining establishment narratives
A new order based on fear and control brought by certified intellectuals and technocrats
Although, of course, for much of religious history, theologians were often very much like how Jaap Aap describes, too...
Our boy Craig got destroyed
Craig wouldn't recognise a sound argument if it slapped him round the platform, as he ably demonstrated.
That was funny and factual.
He’s such a fuckin’ dork. People actually consider this dude poignant and intelligent. Idiocracy was painfully accurate.
Jesus Christ has warned us about such a bad receiving of the truth: _"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."_ Matthew 5, 11
Big thumbs up to BiolaUniversity for being welcoming to opposing views, hosting the debate AND allowing comments. Appreciate it.
is this a scientific based debate or philosophy based debate or even more or thelogical
I do too. I found it quite refreshing to see the evangelical host of the event appeared genuinely welcoming to Hitchens and the atheist/agnostic community in attendance, plus he had a good sense of humor. Bravo.
@@Relaxpresenterwithout God there would be no internet, without God there would be nothing. God is, God was, God is eternal, God is sovereign. He is the beginning the end. I feel sorry for people that don't believe. Whats the point of life. Please don't say evolution, biggest crock ever plus there is no God? Yes there is a God! I can't make someone believe in God. Believing in God takes faith. No one ever made believe, my heart told me , its a feeling of knowing. This is just my opinion.
@@j.c.follower6538 How Christianity is scientific?
@@j.c.follower6538 lol
"infinity isn't possible so therefore there is an infinite God!"
*WHAT?!*
It makes sense if you don't think about it :)
@@pidayrocks2235 NO it doesn't
What he meant was that since infinity of time mark the beggining is impossible hence there is an God who power is infinite created and started everything marked the beggining of time.
The Creator is not limited to the laws of His Creation.
Jaqua Shabazz
That’s because there is no creator and therefore no creation.
Nice one C!
Craig was hung up on the idea that the burden of proof lies with atheists while it is the opposite. He started of very well and I was almost inclined to understand him but with every minute after his first speech his whole argument crumbled under Hitchens and funnily enough, under himself as the amount of mental gymnastics he performed left one too many holes in his argument.
@TomMotTom The burden of proof lies with anyone making a positive truth claim. Since the debate topic was ‘Does God Exists?’ Craig, as the theist, had the burden of proving God’s existence, and Hitchens, as the atheist, had the burden of proving God’s non-existence.
To those who will inevitably say that atheism is merely a lack of belief, therefore, Hitchens had no burden to shoulder, this is a convenient and cowardly excuse to avoid the need to present evidence in support of atheism. By default, this debate, and any others that center around the same topic, require one party to offer arguments for God’s existence and the other to do the opposite. If the atheist in these sorts of debates merely claims to lack belief in God, then what exactly are they doing there; how can they even postulate arguments in defense of a lack of belief, as opposed to one’s in defense of a firm stance on the question at hand?
One can’t just gainsay their opponent in a debate without countering their arguments with one’s of their own. It’s not enough to criticize the positions of one’s interlocutor; one has to show that their beliefs are false and theirs are true. Hitchens did not do this. Moreover, the “lack of belief” statement is not in keeping with the standard definition of atheism that is used in philosophy. See the following definition below.
(From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy): The word “atheism” is polysemous-it has multiple related meanings. In the psychological sense of the word, atheism is a psychological state, specifically the state of being an atheist, where an atheist is defined as someone who is not a theist and a theist is defined as someone who believes that God exists (or that there are gods). This generates the following definition: atheism is the psychological state of lacking the belief that God exists. In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, to the proposition that there are no gods).
Thus, to be an atheist on this definition, it does not suffice to suspend judgment on whether there is a God, even though that implies a lack of theistic belief. Instead, one must deny that God exists. This metaphysical sense of the word is preferred over other senses, including the psychological sense, not just by theistic philosophers, but by many (though not all) atheists in philosophy as well. For example, Robin Le Poidevin writes, “An atheist is one who denies the existence of a personal, transcendent creator of the universe, rather than one who simply lives his life without reference to such a being” (1996: xvii). J. L. Schellenberg says that “in philosophy, the atheist is not just someone who doesn’t accept theism, but more strongly someone who opposes it.” In other words, it is “the denial of theism, the claim that there is no God” (2019: 5).
This definition is also found in multiple encyclopedias and dictionaries of philosophy. For example, in the Concise Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, William L. Rowe (also an atheist) writes, “Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief” (2000: 62). The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy recognizes multiple senses of the word “atheism”, but is clear about which is standard in philosophy:
[Atheism is] the view that there are no gods. A widely used sense denotes merely not believing in god and is consistent with agnosticism [in the psychological sense]. A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no god; this use has become standard.
@@MojoPin1983 Nope. Thats just a poor justification for taking on a straw man. Hitchen's burden is to defend the position he actually HOLDS -- not the position that you, or William Lane Craig, would like to saddle him with.
Any dictionary - including the one you reference -- will provide multiple definitions for atheism. So won't get very far by selectively cherry picking from dictionaries. That's a rhetorical game. The position that Hitchens holds --- as he explains repeatedly, is the same position that Bertrand Russel held, and the same position that most atheists hold: "There is no good reason to believe the existence of a supernatural creator being - and so I don't."
@@citizenghosttown How does one defend a lack of belief? That doesn’t make any sense. One can only defend something that they believe to be true. Even by saying there is no good reason to believe in a supernatural creator being, the one so is making a positive truth claim. That is a bald assertion that requires some explanation. To just lazily make such a statement and not demonstrate why it is true is to fail to fulfill one’s obligation.
What dictionaries are you referring to? If you’re talking about regular new, such as Merriam Webster, that is not what professional philosophers use to define philosophical terms. For that it is proper to use philosophical dictionaries/encyclopedias. You calling that “cherry-picking” betrays ignorance. No serious philosopher of religion affirms the “lack of belief” terminology as a valid definition. This is largely something only held to by new atheists and those in internet chat forums.
@@MojoPin1983 "[Atheism is] the view that there are no gods. " How many times do we have to correct you and WLC that is not it? We reject your religious claims for the lack of evidence. There is always "because" in our statements. There is no god because you THEISTS have not shown any evidence of your gods.
@@MojoPin1983 "How does one defend a lack of belief?" The lack of belief for the lack of evidence. It is simple but you and WLC can't comprehend it because it does not fit into your narrative so you portray the atheism the way it fits and not what it is.
There is nothing to defend in the lack of beliefs. I lack the belief in tooth fairies, Santa, Lord Voldemort, talking snakes and donkeys, and any gods. You only lack of belief in everything except your god.
Pft, amateurs! I came to hear from the real expert theologians and scientists and unprecedented philosophy prodigies in the comment section.
Same here
I paused at 0:01 and scrolled down immediately lol.
But I've probably already seen this debate anyways.
@Thomas Jefferson You got evidence for the disciple's , bit of conformation bias along with large does ignorant happening here.The bible is the claim ,you cant use the bible as evidence ,its not.
@@ossiedunstan4419 if you don’t mind clarifying for me, why can’t the Bible be used as evidence?
@@ohmahfoot3995 I’ll clarify that for you. Because it’s a load of bollocks. I think that cuts to the chase.
That's the good thing about science, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Thank God for Science.
Joe L god has nothing to do with science because he doesn't exist
Fish became Humans, and that is science folks.
Humans came from a Fish. is this scientific or appealing to emotions?
so where did Humans come from?
The honest case for Christian theism is this: "It may not be rational, but I believe it anyway because it gives me hope and makes my life better".
If a Christian apologist made THAT case, I could at least respect the honesty -- as opposed to Craig's sophistry and sleazy salesmanship.
Agree. In order for religious apologists to appeal to rationally minded atheists and skeptics they have to try and talk the language of science, but they're just not cut out for it.
@@seantaylor4095 The serious and honest atheists have already the correct answers to all their matters to not be in error anymore. For the beginning, a good start is to read *entirely and carefully* my simple and undeniable demonstrations from my thread posted about 20 hours ago.
@@filmeseverin Believers in Jesus belong to a church. What Christian denomination do you belong to? Imposter! Deceiver!
Every honest reader definitely knows to ignore you and your lies. Why do Romanians lie so much?
There is no intelligence in you for sure. Every honest reader sees it. Stop lying.
Hitchens was the greatest debater ever. He is missed so much in our current times
@@earlocampo He i up there. Even after his death, he continues triggering religious snowflakes.
@@LGpi314 he didn’t believe in God. He’s nowhere based on his beliefs. Clearly you didn’t know.
Just because people believe im God doesn’t make them a snowflake.
@@earlocampo "he didn’t believe in God." Neither do I. What does it have to do with being a good debater?
"Just because people believe im God doesn’t make them a snowflake." That is true, but lots of them get triggered by Hitchens slaps.
@@earlocampo I have never said he was the greatest but he was very very good. I can't say this about WLC at all. Even when WLC has credentials but he is full of bullcrap and fallacies.
He got pasted in this debate. He never even made an attempt to defend his position.
religious debates:
organised by christians, super popular with atheists :p
lol christian love debate
@Charles George How is debating foolish? Maybe if you think there's no way someone can be convinced.
@Charles George That seems like a very basic view, seeing that many atheists come from theistic backgrounds and claim to have felt the presence of god before
@Charles George what do you mean by both contain truth? and what experience did you have? No matter what it is, what do you think about all the people who had experiences of other religions? or stuff like aliens? how can your experience confirm there is a god when perception is flawed and the human mind is incredibly vulnerable to delusions?
@Charles George you said it brother! You can only understand through your own experience, and you existing is an experience whether you accept it or not and one that doesn’t lack intelligent design. No chicken before the egg 🖖🏼
back when people weren't terrified of opposing views
Every time I see a theist accusing atheists of attacking them, I think of this quote:
“Religious apologists complain bitterly that Atheists and Secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn’t argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we’re doing is, we’re presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain.” - A.C. Grayling
@@LGpi314son resentidos porque la religión se les impuso y se les dominó.
where are people terrified of opposing views?
@@luciennoxisou9502 are you that out of touch? or just too young to notice the shift? they run this very platform my guy 😂 we can barely have real discussion or debate on serious topics now due to people who think the solution to "bad ideas" isn't better ideas.. rather its just to ban the "bad ideas"
@@americannacho lol, huh - I’m probably older than you, but what context or platforms are you talking about wherein all this debate is not occurring ? Mainstream media ? Academia ? On the street ? Social media ?
I was laughing at William Lane the whole time. How could Christopher Hitchens take this debate serious when the other guy is talking such nonsense?
As a gentleman, Hitchens typically treated his opponents with respect and assumed they were at least being sincere. But you can see that at 57:15, Hitchens knows he can stop taking Craig seriously.
@@citizenghosttown yeah, I also noticed that expression, it made me laugh
Hitchens explained to him like 10 times in different ways, why he doesn’t have to prove a non-existence, that the burden of proof is on the person who’s making the claim. Then every single time he went and repeated the same thing “We haven’t heard any good arguments of why Atheism is real!”
It’s like what this person wrote in his book “Whenever you are presented with the contradictory evidence you should always choose your faith over that” is actually true. No matter what anyone says or what evidence you are presented with, all you gotta do is repeat the same nonsense as you always have...
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Atheism is real whether they like it or not. "Atheism" is the rejection of any god of any kind. It's a belief and it exists, so therefore it is obviously real. He could replace the word "atheist" here with any other religion and make the same shitty argument lol, except that would equate to his religion as well so he can't he has to use Atheism because "atheists evil".
@@TmanT321 What do you mean by “atheism exists”? And how does that imply a burden of proof in any way? Seriously, it doesn’t logically follow.
Look, atheism simply doesn’t mean “positive belief that no gods exist.” There is a smaller subset of atheism that does make that claim, but it’s just a subset. Craig knows this, and he even admits it when he accidentally slips up and says the phrase “also known as *positive* atheism”. He’s just playing word games to force Hitchens to accept a burden of proof that doesn’t really belong to him.
And that whole idea is ridiculous in other ways. If we all start out as blank slates, without any real knowledge of the universe, then we don’t know about any gods, the entire concept of god is foreign to us. We start off just investigating the world and forming mental models to explain it.
If we don’t start with knowledge of “deity” as a concept or category, then we simply don’t have any claims at all about deities. It’s only when a religious person *introduces a claim* about their god that we even begin to consider such a claim. And even then, we are not obligated to form a belief in one direction or the other. We can just accept “I don’t know” as a final answer on the matter.
The challenge for theists is that they can’t say “I don’t know.” They can say something like “I can’t prove it,” which is a different thing, but the foundation of their worldview is that they DO know. They are asserting a truth claim about a deity that they have to go out of their way to describe and define, which further demonstrates that they are the ones introducing a claim to an otherwise claim-free context.
If you really want to talk about other religions, then let’s go there. Does a Buddhist child raised in a remote Buddhist village have any idea what you mean by “god” when you ask her? Probably not. She hasn’t been introduced to the concept of “god”, and is content with a religious worldview that doesn’t require any notion of “god”. So she doesn’t have a claim for or against the existence of a god. If you explained what a “god” is to her, and told her you think your god exists, she might just shrug her shoulders and say, “Sure, I guess that is possible, but it really doesn’t affect my worldview in any way.” Or she might say, “That idea sounds silly, but you are welcome to demonstrate the truth of your claim. I don’t have a reason to believe it until you provide a lot more evidence.”
The only reason it would ever make sense for atheists to bear the burden of proof is if we *assume a priori* that God exists, and that the evidence for God is shown to everyone everywhere, for all time. If that were the case, then sure, it would make sense for everyone to be expected to have some kind of opinion about it (although it’s still fair to say “I don’t know”). This is the presuppositionalist argument, and it’s inherently circular, since it presupposes God’s existence as a premise in an argument for God’s existence. And Craig is certainly not a presuppositionalist.
@Frank Silvers I think I explained it pretty well in my above comment. Is there anything in there that doesn’t make sense to you?
@@dupersuper1000 Yes, the entire thing. Please go back to your cult meetings and leave the smart people to move the world forward. The burden of proof lies with you, because you claim something exists. If you accuse someone of a crime, the burden of proof falls on you to give evidence for that crime. The person being accused does not have to prove something that did not happen. That's why we have the fifth amendment. The same logic follows with god. You claim the bible it true, therefore you must provide outside evidence, but you cannot. You are a sentient lugnut.
Things in this video, not possible to see in 2023:
1 - Everyone respect eachothers ideas without need to bully one another
2 - Get straight answers like yes or no
3 - putting some jokes on serious conversations actual releaf tension
4 - The audience are in fact listning two diferents ideas and reflecting on them, no matter wish side they are from
5 - The audience also respect silence
6 - conversations with more then 20 words and without "like", hum"or "so" put after every 2 or 3 words
debate bros have ruined debates, WLC however is a slippery little worm i this debate.
@KWH616 I don't think that is a fair assessment. *He does concede on certain points. He is arguing for a personal God as manifested in the image of Christ. He is very clear on that. He does put it on Hitchens on the objectivity of morality, something that Hitchens is unable to address with his worldview.
This was a good debate but there's better.
Regardless of is wright or wrong,there is a God,and can be proven by me
Also the Gentlemen who did not believe there is a God
I under stand his point,and he had a Good one, the christian/believers never proven that there is a God
If there is a God why the world is such a terrsble place, and he is 100% right
The problem we never start of wright,and no one question our direction,becsuse your Bible says be afraid and
Never question God
Thats our down foll
@@ivanferguson1574 yes, I was honestly surprised Hitchens never mentions the burden of proof being on a person who claims a thing to be true. In this case, the claim is that God exists, the claim is not made that God does not exist. Also Craig never provides any proof despite claiming to do so. His reasoning is entirely circular, ultimately always coming back to the necessity of faith and was also built around making an equal comparison of belief and non belief. I mean if I told you a dragon was circling Venus, you should ask me to prove it. And if I instead told you to prove me wrong, that would be an absurd request. Such is the request of Craig given to Hitchens. To not believe in a dragon circling Venus is not the same as saying "I know for certain that there is not a dragon circling Venus". And this was the distinction Hitchens made many times about Atheism being non-belief, and not a mindset of certainty God is not real. It is a mindset of thinking God is almost certainly not real, just like many other things are almost certainly unreal, like Unicorns, Dragons, Fairies, ghosts, ext.
I Have to admit I watch and listen to the whole thing ! First it was nice to see and see two very intelligent guys laughing joking enjoying and sharing their thoughts and beliefs with no name calling arguing anger disrespecting anyone ect.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 How many horrible things you have done in your life that you need that much forgiveness.
You believe in a killer god.
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have for the animals? They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?
Why would you believe in this god?
@@LGpi314sorry to say that, that’s your problem.
What is my problem? 😂😂😂
@rubensantiago6403
Just one of the two is very intelligent, the other is a babbling idiot.
Somebody tell Craig that atheists simple say there is no evidence that any god exists therefore they don’t believe. If it helps most atheists don’t believe in Santa clause or the Easter bunny for the same reason.
Those who read, for example, my thread posted one day ago (easy to be found after sorting the comments) can see that *I proved* God's existence by using only elementary logic.
Atheists renounce to simple rationality intentionally when they believe that this reality has always existed without any intelligence involved, because *from no intelligence involved no intelligence comes and the results of a process prove the intelligence involved into that process. That is why the entire process until nowadays is proving the existence of God.*
The superficial ones do not think enough to understand *the simple fact that from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes* ignoring that even schoolchildren can understand that every photon, ... atom, ... cell has intelligence into it, *not to mention their functionality together.*
They ignore the intelligence put from the beginning. For example, the intelligence mentioned includes the exact value of the speed of light matching the manifestation of what we call "gravity", working together since the primordial conditions to form in the end this reality, which hosts intelligent life that is able to feel / understand / admire / enjoy / respect / love the Creator, especially through His human form, Jesus Christ.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
The thing is, you don’t have a shred of evidence that your god (or anybody else’s exists). Without that, the rest of what you’re talking about is just a bunch of made up hooey.
A rich man asked Jesus. How can I get into heaven to which Jesus said give all your worldly wealth to the poor. Why doesn’t the church do that .
The church's wealth is used to build and maintain hospitals, charities and for other humanitarian purposes. I'm sure not all is for good though, but majority of it is for good. In the early Church of St. Peter, the people gave their wealth to him so that everyone shared wealth and had what they need. No one was without.
The same thing is done by the Church now but on a much grander scale. Some of the Church's wealth is used to renovate old churches to attract more church goers and for other humanitarian reasons.
They do give their wealth to the poor. You may say, "Then why is the Vatican so grand and beautiful?" Well, that took many years to build and art is art. It's treated as a holy place also for the congregation of Catholics and Christians so it serves a good purpose. The Vatican now only spends in maintainence and not too much on making new things without reason.
Rae Estomata then they should use the money they aren’t spending on patronage to further alleviate the poor, perhaps even enough to make a significant difference to the worldwide poverty scene.
@@amonks891 to be fair, poverty is a reoccuring problem that really depends on the government and other high-profile companies. I don't know how much money you think the Church has but you have to consider the amount to pay for tax on property and all the other small things that run a building/organization.
You can ask the same thing of big companies like Microsoft who donate much to charity because they are required to. And yet, poverty still exists in the world. The Church alone selling all they have or just giving everything away will not help the poor forever, but it will cause current charities, hospitals, and churches they have to collapse. Poverty is solved by multiple people (govt, individuals, large companies) and cannot be shouldered by the Church alone.
@@amonks891 to add to that, the Church in itself is a sanctuary for criminals or people in need. There's that law that dictates if someone asks for sanctuary in a church or seminary, the government can't touch them. It's not a one-all-be-all effort the Church does to help the poor. It's a continuous process that exists to help them because giving away everyting at one moment will only last for a short while. They already do have programs for the poor but it depends on what country you are in.
"Of course you have free will, the boss insists upon it!" Hilarious
Freedom (respectively what we are doing with it; to not do evil, to not cause useless suffering...) is the most important thing for the Creator, because He is not a dictator, but the opposite. He has given us 100% freedom to choose: or to follow just our instincts (altered through the DNA changes done by the fallen angels), being stupid=evil because of the bad addictions etc. (as Satan wants to gain our immortal spirits in Hell), or to strive always to do good in any situation, to not cause useless suffering, to keep us as holly as we can by following His wisdom, received through the true prophets and mainly through Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity), then perpetuated over generations through proper education from thousands of years ago.
Humans did not create this reality (this planet, this Universe...), we are just guests here. Our short lives here are mainly a kind of school for our immortal spirit. We have to do our best to sin no more, to never cause useless suffering to others and to ourselves, in order to "pass the final exam", to deserve Heaven.
*_"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."_*
@@filmeseverin Is Gods will always carried out?
@“Jianni Rivas“ Try to read entirely and carefully ALL my messages posted on this video, if you are really interested about the truth. Here, in this earthly life, God has offered us 100% freedom but He has told us to not use it as a cover-up for evil. Unfortunately, as the fallen angels did/do, many stupid=evil humans don't do God's will. However, all will be judged 100% correctly to receive what we deserve according with how much good and how much evil we have done while living in the body, after God/Jesus will forgive what can be forgiven.
@@filmeseverin Freedom to make someone else's choice, on pain of never-ending torture. Religion takes away reason, logic and humanity and you're a great example.
@@stuartmiller7419 The Creator of this reality has told us: _"Woe to those who call good evil and evil good"_
Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity) has advised humans to love (respect / care for) each other, as they love (respect / care for) themselves. Therefore, without true belief in God/Jesus, the following evil facts have happened, are happening and will happen:
- so many millions of people killed in wars and not only (following the killing of billions in the Third World War);
- the billions of poor people at the limit of subsistence versus the wealthiest (multi-billionaires in dollars, euros, etc. with the vices of money / fortune) and those millions too rich people (also with the vice of money / wealth), owning together so many trillions of dollars, euro ... undeserved money, of course, wasted on unnecessary luxury and / or just kept through banks, instead of being used for: free better education for ALL, suitable jobs for ALL (without exploitation / slavery), healthier food for ALL, renewable energy, science, eradication of all diseases, financing of useful inventions, recycling, etc.
- so many trillions of dollars, euros, etc. wasted on nuclear, chemical, biological and conventional weapons, on armies, etc. only for killing and destruction;
- sadism, violence, dishonesty, vices, envy ... stupidity in general.
Thank God i am an atheist.
There are two kinds of atheists: those only temporarily deceived, being too superficial regarding the Creator of this reality (as I used to be due to the atheistic education under the communist regime) and those who do not want God to exist, who deny everything that proves their errors, such as all my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations (found quite easily after sorting the comments).
@@filmeseverin Are there only two kinds of atheists, is that because you have decreed it is so, you appear to be certain of your arrogant assumption's, I had just the opposite education to yours I was forced to engage in a religion that just like you was certain beyond doubt that it was right in all things and in the not to distant past would burn alive any one who disagreed with its philosophy, the same church finds it is difficult to carry on its murderous policy because of modern day restrictions, that is why the enormous churches it was so confident it could fill are now being abandoned through lack of attendance and the good education of its once parishioners, I am not temporarily deceived I just like you have no proof a god exists and I do not need the fear of eternal damnation to treat my fellow man with kindness and dignity.
@@filmeseverin What created your creator? Where did it come from? Is it from nothing? 😂😂😂
Are you a creationist?
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv The same deceivers repeat matters already addressed in older posts, *the atheists being proved wrong already.* They just try to fool the new readers. For example, I have posted here so many times the fact that *God is not bounded by time (not being bounded by what He has created), respectively He is eternal, always existed, which means that He was not created,* but atheists ignore, also, the other fact so many times mentioned by me about the nature of God that *our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them". Anyway, they have no excuse because we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to understand.*
Atheists have already all the answers they need into my posts. More they will read (after sorting the comments) better understanding of the facts they will have. Unfortunately, those too deceived will not read the messages that prove their errors, just to keep their deceiving. Only those who renounce intentionally to elementary logic cannot understand my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations.
@@LGpi314there is more to lose than to gain at being atheist. How do you prove the existence of death? It is because we see its effect on the life of man at a certain point in life. The same applies for a person who believes in the existence of God. For some who have no experience of God in his life will find it hard to accept its existence. The same goes for a person who has not experienced death. Most of us live our life as if we are going to live forever until we fall sick even though we clearly know that death does exist. This is because we have not personally experienced death in our lives.
"Infinity is just an idea in your mind, that doesn't exist in reality" says Dr Craig....Yet he doesn't see the obvious parallels
Regardless that error of Mr. Craig (nobody is perfect), he is on the side of the truth about/from God/Jesus, the most important truth. Generally, those from such videos, exposed to my clear and undeniable demonstrations but who still want to remain atheists, are ignoring intentionally the simple fact that *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* hoping that this reality is the result of no intelligence, in other words that God does not exist, only to escape the responsibility for their deeds, to not be Judged by God/Jesus after the leaving of this world, but they are in error. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
My simple and undeniable demonstrations can be found still quite easily after sorting the comments (especially my thread posted about one week ago, besides my answers).
@@filmeseverinI don't understand why christians quote scripture when talking to atheists, it's like if I posted quotes from Harry Potter to make a point.
As usual, are in denial (without counterarguments, of course) only those who are too superficial to think enough to understand *the simple fact that from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* the entire process until nowadays proving the existence of God because *the results of a process prove the intelligence involved into that process* (even schoolchildren can understand that every photon, ... atom, ... cell has intelligence into it, *not to mention their functionality together).*
They ignore the intelligence put from the beginning. For example, the intelligence mentioned includes the exact value of the speed of light matching the manifestation of what we call "gravity", working together since the primordial conditions to form in the end this reality, which hosts intelligent life that is able to feel / understand / admire / enjoy / respect / love the Creator, especially through His human form, Jesus Christ.
The truth is only one but those too deceived will not sort the comments to read the messages that prove their errors, just to keep their deceiving. Only those who renounce intentionally to elementary logic cannot understand my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations.
Those too deceived will not read *entirely and carefully* the messages that prove their errors, just to keep their deceiving. Only those who renounce intentionally to elementary logic (to simple rationality) cannot understand my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations.
The serious and honest atheists will sort the comments and read enough from my messages to find the answers to all their matters/questions, to understand the truth about/from God/Jesus, the most important truth.
@@filmeseverin "the simple fact that from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes" - You haven't provided any evidence of this claim. You fail
There was and is no man like Hitchens.
Agreed
Plz he like a institutionalized Drunk uncle full of myths and logic with no foundation.
@@travisstrickland7270myths and logic!!?? Hitchens!!!???🤣🤣🤣😭
Oh... Very... Dear...🤤🤤
He was an unparalleled wit, raconteur, author and genius. Link me your incisive ramblings.
Alan Watts was phenomenal too
Nine years after… and still great to watch!
Right?
Except the James Webb telescope and recent astronomical observations throwing a wrench in Craig’s entire argument about the exact start of the universe, the Big Bang, etc.. science is a bitch.
Dr William Lane Craig threw so many word salads that it started to get annoying.
@@Jealod24stay away from science
You can start it by not using anything around you
I imagine Mr. Craig's wife in the audience, lip-syncing along to his prepared speech. 🤣
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
*_"For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorance of foolish men. Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God."_* 1 Peter 2,15 - 16 That is why we have to be servants/lovers of perfection (100% goodness, wisdom, justice...).
As Jesus Christ has said: *_"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"_* Matthew 7, 21-23
This short earthly life is a school and exam of our immortal souls.
This reality has been created intentionally so that freedom to be 100% offered, God wanting to see the *free* choices/deeds to reward accordingly. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
No@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363proof? Of course not
It's awful, right ?
Craig's presentation was an excellent example of the benefits of rehearsing the speech out loud and then adding in hand and head gestures to accent each point.
AND!?!? All of it was bullcrap and fallacies.
@@LGpi314I think that’s the point the original commenter is making
Steve Jobs. If I can get a cold bottle of vodka in every ice box the Russians won't fight.
@@Paumanokcom WHAT!?!?!
Hahaha it’s what he’s good at. Dawkins just pointed that out
How often, these days, would a college crowd allow to speak guests who differ from them? And how often, these days, would speakers who differ from each other treat each other with respect and courtesy?
How horribly things have changed over the past decade.
@Late to the Game Mine, either. But then, I was in college about 50 years ago. Different era (thankfully).
This was done because the crowd, venue and speaker thought they could handle Mr. Hitchens in a variety of ways. They'll never understand he has more conviction than they do. He wasn't given his opinion he formed his own and he knows it.
The world won't be the same without you Christopher. Cheers mate!
@@Datharass Correct. Hitchens is non-emotional, fact-based, and simply factual. WLC, per usual, seems like he is working on a sermon. Hitch is prepared for a conversation, WLC is prepared for a paper with footnotes.
rn they would be jumping up infront of the speakers screaming and chanting all while the gutless faculty does nothing until eventually someone pulls a fire alarm
Frequently
Atheism is a single answer to a single question. Does God exist? There is no evidence to support that he does. You can't prove a negative and the burden of proof lies with those making the claim that he does.
When scientists discovered a specific code (ACGT) in our DNA, it became clear there had to be a 'mind' in the creation of this code found in humans.
Code can only exist if there is a code writer.
Evolution cannot be the explanation for the existence of such code which instructs cells to create a living organism, especially one as highly complex as a human being.
if you pigeonole what counts as "evidence" sure.
@@miguelfonseca1104what's funny is when the Christian guy says how highly improbable it would be for things to end up this way on their own and he uses all those massive numbers it makes perfect sense. Let's just say that all of space which is unimaginably huge of endless is all those failure numbers and then that one single improbable is us so there you go he even explained it it is probable it's us and then those huge numbers he used as the other failures. I was laughing they say that because it's like a grander version of saying oh that's one out of a million and then you have a million things there and then eventually you find that one. So good keep on running those super high numbers of improbability and we'll just look at the super high numbers of galaxies and stars and planets that go on and on and boom here we are we are the one
it seems the uniformity of the law of physics refutes this point pretty quickly. its not like each quanta of space has different laws of physics
@@ronaldrrootiii6040
You can prove a negative. Only atheists say you can’t because it’s convenient.
Dr. Craig can easily turn anyone into an atheist with proving that God exists.
After hearing the truth about/from God/Jesus, only those who want to use freedom for evil are opposing to Divinity, feeling their freedom restricted, the really good humans being happy to receive the confirmation for their love of / striving for goodness, wisdom, justice... for perfection, as Jesus Christ has said:
*_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
I wish William Lane Craig wouldn’t quote others so much. It’s like you’re throwing people under the bus by using them and to make incomplete points.
Generally, those from such videos, exposed to my clear and undeniable demonstrations but who still want to remain atheists, are ignoring intentionally the simple fact that *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* hoping that this reality is the result of no intelligence, in other words that God does not exist, only to escape the responsibility for their deeds, to not be Judged by God/Jesus after the leaving of this world, but they are in error. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
My simple and undeniable demonstrations can be found quite easily after sorting the comments.
@KnowMad1 Any serious and honest reader can see how atheists are already proved wrong. Only those who renounce intentionally to elementary logic cannot understand my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations.
55:28 Geez, I'm watching this on a mobile in vertical mode, and just realized that the podium nicely lines up with the time slider and makes it look like there's a thousand of ads on the video
😂😂😂😂
Thank god for intelligence
@@ziodav7490 What?
Rationalist how did we become intelligent beings?
Craig: "If humans can't prove it, it is more likely to be God than anything else." This logic simply does not compute.
the classical god of the gaps argument
thank you Mr Spock
That’s because your not smart enough to understand, it’s okay the world is full of people like you
@@jerodfarmer165 Hey man i'm really trying but it just doesn't make sense. BTW does god command you to insult and try to belittle people on the internet? Seems like a terrible way to spread the good word. Or maybe it's just more proof he doesn't exist. Also it's you're*
@@godofthegaps6741 the God of the apes is Darwin. Worship him.
Christian Hitchens was a force
He still is. Triggering theistic snowflakes even after his death.
Christopher Hitchens was a farce.
@@LGpi314 who hurt you lol?
Freudian slip?
@@jwjitsu I guess even after his death he is still triggering religious snowflakes. LMAO
Did Dr Craig just sit doodling waiting for his turn to speak?
His words indicate he listened to absolutely nothing.
WLC always has been scripted out with total nonsense.
That and he has heard all the arguments multiple times before yet still either fails to, or decides to, misunderstand them!
"It seam to me you redefine Atheism to mean a sort of A-theism" Hitchens - "That's what it means"
1:19:30 btw
Left Alone Talking Except for the fact that Hitchens completely dodges the question of whether he is an atheist or not. Throughout the entire debate he argues in a completely agnostic way as opposed to addressing Craig’s arguments. It’s easy to pick out catchy quotes like that one, but Hitchens was outclassed here.
@@Gustavo-so7zk Craig doesn't even know the correct definition of atheism but somehow he "outclassed" Hitchens. Ok.
@@Gustavo-so7zk Hitchens does not dodge the question of whether he's an atheist. He's tackles it head on and, most importantly, explains what he means by atheist. Craig, on the other hand, is just playing games.
Appolo Hitchens thinks atheism is agnosticism, and it seems like you do too. The way these debates are structured the burden of proof is also on the atheist to prove the natural universe is better explained without a God, or to disprove God.
Hats off to the audience, organizers and participants of debate! They differ in their opinions wildly but they were so nice in presenting their differences... hope that could be the case for the rest of the world one day!
Yes, we can only hope that in the future we will become as One World.
R u Muslim?
@David Mutchler stfu simp
@David Mutchler
You thirsty as f bruh
@@enaremco well said
Everytime they cut to Hitchens during Craig's opening statement it was like watching Mike Tyson in the locker room before his ring walk 😂
By ignoring the following two simple facts, which prove the existence of the Creator: *from no intelligence involved no intelligence comes* and *the results of a process prove the intelligence involved into that process;* atheists are too superficial regarding the eternal Intelligence (God/Divinity _"the beginning and the end"_ ) who has created this reality intentionally with 100% freedom to see our free choices to give us what we deserve, after leaving this "school" and "exam" for our immortal soul, for us.
God is not bounded by what He has created, but atheists, in their superficiality, do not want to recognize their limitations. For example, science will never be able to really know, at least, what a photon is (the magnification process being infinite). Regarding the Creator of this reality (the nature of God etc.), our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them (comparison mentioned in the Bible), but *we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to see God and what He expects from us.*
This reality has been created intentionally so that freedom to be 100% offered, God wanting to see the *free* choices/deeds to reward accordingly. The problem is with those who have used (are using) their freedom for doing evil on purpose, Satan with the other fallen angels (who, according to the "Parable of the weeds", have altered this world, the DNA... making the carnivores, the parasites, the viruses, bad bacteria etc.... to sustain the useless suffering) and their tools, the evil=stupid humans, not with the One who has offered freedom.
Therefore, we live into an altered and ruled world by the fallen angels, *allowed as an exam for our immortal soul (for us) to prove to the Creator how good we really are, how much we love perfection and how much we detest evilness=stupidity,* to prove that we are not following the demons anymore, through our deeds in this short earthly life, which will be judged 100% correctly for each of us. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
@@filmeseverinI didn’t realise it had this cup analogy in the Bible and I wonder why an animal wasn’t used instead of an inanimate object such as a cup like a worm bug or a reptile of some sort, I wonder if it is because maybe even animals understand there’s a creator, crazy thought I know but who really knows
@@filmeseverinHey hey hey now I wouldn’t be calling ‘stupid’ evil bro and as for good works and deeds to get to heaven I thought it was a choice to believe in Jesus or Yahshua is the messiah who was crucified for our sin you are talking something like Islam there man
My wife doubles up in pain for a few days every month, but she's ok with it because she knows it only happens because her great, great, great, great, etc, grandmother, when she was a child who didn't really know any better, got tricked into scrumping an apple she wasn't supposed to eat.
It is hilarious. That is the same as Christians saying that sacrificing your own child is moral if god asks.
I watched this. "BBC One Debate: Did Man Create God? Pandit Satish Sharma" It was interesting
An excuse for a dirty old man abusing a young girl, getting her pregnant and saying she's a virgin 😂
@Countryboy071 if I were in Joseph's place, I definitely would do a dna testing. 😂😂😂
@@LGpi314 Yes, that's the debate I saw recently. I guess we get the same prompts on our YT algorithm!
The fact is that human ignorance is the main way Satan and the other fallen angels have operated and still operate in this world.
God is perfect, keep that in mind. This short earthly life is a school and exam for our immortal soul, for those who did not listen by the Creator to understand the value of "light" without experiencing the "darkness".
I think these two men genuinely respected each other; something many people commenting, might consider.
Mr Incognito they both deserve much respect
@@Godlimate Lane Crage really doesnt deserve any respect least of all from Hitchens.
Hayden Hollingsworth I used to think the same also. I disagree with WLC views, however, in the realm of philosophy he is quite knowledgeable in particular with metaphysics/ ontology (the respect deserved is in the credentials). It’s nice to see how people actually think when they take on this kind of position to broaden our perspective, and of course the perspective of Hitchens also.
There is a difference between civility and respect.
I doubt very much that Hitch respected that windbag of Craig. That guy is a moron, to put it mildly...
Hayden Hollingsworth and he was definitely not respected by Hitchens.
Theism: "God exists."
Atheism: "I don't believe you."
Very simple concept.
Where does personal experience fall into this? Have an unreal story about my firm belief in Jesus after some incredible circumstances!
@TJordan14 You don't know or have enough info to make an intelligent decision about this.
God created this universe
A big blast occurred out of nowhere.
Both require extraordinary faith 😂
@@NewtonVieira wrong. Faith is belief in something with no evidence to support it. Science doesn't claim anything to be absolute, simply the best case scenario. Religion is the one who makes absolute claims, with nothing to back it up. Not to mention the fact that the claims science makes are demonstrable and verifiable. Can't say the same about religion!😜
@@jtg1972 execept there is no evidence pointing to a big bang but its widely accepted by scientists 🤷♂️
The burden of proof is on the believer. Some Christians just don’t seem to get that. Atheism isn’t a stance that needs to be proven. It’s a bit like saying “Prove to me that leprachauns don’t exist. You can’t? Therefore they must exist.”
Don’t get me wrong. I actually do believe in God, but there weren’t many decent arguments made in this video to support faith or support the existence of God. That is because it is a point of faith by definition. If it could be logically proven then no faith would be required at all and it would be scientific fact.
All who sort the comments and read enough from my posts (both answers and threads) can see that *I have proved* that this reality has been created by an Intelligence (called God / the Creator) whose nature will never be really comprehended by humans (because of our proved limitations) except through Jesus Christ, the human form of God.
Mr. Craig claiming a fictional book written, and rewritten numerous times, as a fact. But it is ONLY beliefs, not facts.
We actually know it was written and then added on and changed to fit religious narratives, but none the less it is a fictional book, to begin with.
@airdenmark The truth is only one and it is not fiction. In brief, the Creator of this world (God/Divinity) exists because this reality, with us into it, is not the result of nothing, or the result of no intelligence, because *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes.*
Humans, with very few exceptions, have lost their merit of direct communication with God because *each sin moves us away from God, from perfection.*
God wants us back into Heaven and that is why we have to learn our lesson here, to prove that we have understood that freedom must always be used only for good, never for evil.
Not all humans who ever lived on Earth had knowledge about the truth from those who deserved to have it revealed by Divinity and especially from Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity. It has always been easy for any human to know what the useless suffering is and to never produce it (no need for the Creator to tell us this). That is why *He expects us to strive to never do evil, especially to never do evil intentionally, to never cause useless suffering, any damage, to others and to ourselves.*
After hearing the truth about/from God/Jesus, only those who want to use freedom for evil are opposing to Divinity, feeling their freedom restricted, the really good humans being happy to receive the confirmation for their love of / striving for goodness, wisdom, justice... perfection, as Jesus Christ has said:
*_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
@@LGpi314 God exists
One point that I wanted to cover a little more that William covered is the Big Bang, and where the universe came from, we’re told in school, as babies, our most influential times in our lives, that nothing existed until two atoms collided and made light and a ever expansive universe, which quite literally doesn’t make sense. Because if nothing was there, two atoms can’t be either. Unless someone created those atoms. Something always comes from something. And that’s just if science was accurate. But even using science, it doesn’t disprove God at all. Knowing the fact that if the sun was off by a meter we’d either burn or freeze, and that all planets being off just a little would send us out of orbit just enough to kill us all. As well as our atmosphere, gravity, and everything else allowing for life on earth. not just that, but our DNA, our blood cells, everything within the human chemistry just for us to be born, and function, and so on and so forth. To act like we just got lucky is simply ignorant. And then we got the Bible, and the text of presented within it, that many try to say is a false book, or fiction, or made up, and ignore the miracles presented in it, and evidence within it wether that’s Old Testament or New Testament.
Which is funny because they believe their History Textbooks in school, and in college, and the news stations. All things capable, and likely to be altered and changed in their own right.
Regardless let me continue, which I’m going to bring context from the New Testament, specifically the story of Jesus. Many saw the miracles he’s done, many saw the fact he healed the sick simply by touch, he casted out demons and healed the mentally ill, raised Lazareth from the dead, and was raised from the dead himself. Again, thousands saw these actions. Witnessed them. Just as the people who wrote the history textbooks either witnessed it, or heard from other individuals.
To discount the things said in the Bible, at least regarding to actual events which taken place, and miracles performed, obviously above the human capability, is silly.
God exists
One point that I wanted to cover a little more that William covered is the Big Bang, and where the universe came from, we’re told in school, as babies, our most influential times in our lives, that nothing existed until two atoms collided and made light and a ever expansive universe, which quite literally doesn’t make sense. Because if nothing was there, two atoms can’t be either. Unless someone created those atoms. Something always comes from something. And that’s just if science was accurate. But even using science, it doesn’t disprove God at all. Knowing the fact that if the sun was off by a meter we’d either burn or freeze, and that all planets being off just a little would send us out of orbit just enough to kill us all. As well as our atmosphere, gravity, and everything else allowing for life on earth. not just that, but our DNA, our blood cells, everything within the human chemistry just for us to be born, and function, and so on and so forth. To act like we just got lucky is simply ignorant. And then we got the Bible, and the text of presented within it, that many try to say is a false book, or fiction, or made up, and ignore the miracles presented in it, and evidence within it wether that’s Old Testament or New Testament.
Which is funny because they believe their History Textbooks in school, and in college, and the news stations. All things capable, and likely to be altered and changed in their own right.
Regardless let me continue, which I’m going to bring context from the New Testament, specifically the story of Jesus. Many saw the miracles he’s done, many saw the fact he healed the sick simply by touch, he casted out demons and healed the mentally ill, raised Lazareth from the dead, and was raised from the dead himself. Again, thousands saw these actions. Witnessed them. Just as the people who wrote the history textbooks either witnessed it, or heard from other individuals.
To discount the things said in the Bible, at least regarding to actual events which taken place, and miracles performed, obviously above the human capability, is silly.
Debate like this in university now is so rare.
Actually it's not. That's just a silly narrative pushed by online click-bait merchants.
You sound senile.
Actually it is. They are arguing over genitals now.
@@sandieovajness8056😂😂 true
I didn’t come for the two very well educated men that engaged in a debate. I came for the REAL educated experts in this comment section.
Edit: Y’allwent crazy on my comment LOL. I can spot the “educated experts” that have no idea what they’re talking about (Looking at you Atheist)! Though some of you atheists bring up good points consistent with other educated atheist, a lot of you are kinda failing lol. Keep going y’all, it’s fun to watch and get a fricking email every time someone comments :/
I hope you are not disappointed....?
Ahahahagha same
Being a cubs fan, it's understandable
2 well educated men in the debate? I hope you do not mean that, since "Dr." Craig has still not understood what atheism is and is perfectly happy to openly show how ignorant he is on basic biology and evolution
Oh that's me then 😄
The first person from Q/A segment asking ... his heads shape kind of says what confesssion he is from LOLZ idk XD lol
The only one who spoke anything worth listening to was mr Hitchens
Generally, those from such videos, exposed to my clear and undeniable demonstrations but who still want to remain atheists, are ignoring intentionally the simple fact that *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* hoping that this reality is the result of no intelligence, in other words that God does not exist, only to escape the responsibility for their deeds, to not be Judged by God/Jesus after the leaving of this world, but they are in error. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
My simple and undeniable demonstrations can still be found quite easily after sorting the comments.
@@filmeseverin WHy do you lie for jesus so much?
what created your creator?
i went to sleep with my auto play on and woke up to this
😀
lol me too
Craig completely fumbled the suffering in Africa question. My goodness...
Hitchens avoided directly answering questions from Craig though.
@@joeturner9219quite a few of them. He didn't address even once the philosophical arguments
@@Mark-wk5dc WLC philosophy is just too far ahead of Hitchens, i think he leant towards more his well practiced weaker arguments, appeal to people's emotions and humour.
@@JonathanMafi "Far ahead"! Do you know how old his philosophical arguments are! Hitchens rebutted everything Craig said apart from granting him a creator from the kalam. His rebuttals seem to just fly over the heads of theists! Cognitive dissonance at its finest!
Where @@joeturner9219
WLC's "The Fine Tuning Argument debunked by a Jar of Beans" Skydive Phil. This highlights the sophistry of the fine tuning argument.
No cosmological would say the universe comes from "nothing" because nobody knows what was there "before " the big bang. All we know is that approx 13.7 billion years ago the universe was super hot and super dense and this was followed by a rapid expansion which we refer to as the big bang.
Theists love the whole "something from nothing" card, but the philosopher's "nothing " is not the same as the cosmological nothing.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 what if I put my faith in Osiris or Shiva instead?
Indeed.
"You think the universe came from nothing!" No, we don't. But you think someone spoke it into existance. From nothing. Projection.
"You think you evolved from a rock!" No, we don't. Organic molecules are organic, not mineral. You on the other hand think we were made out of mud like a golem, then a rib.. Like a necromantic spell. Projection.
"You stole the golden rule!" No, we didn't. That 'rule' has existed in cultures far detached and considerably older than Christianity. Projection.
The list goes on and on. And then we have the opposite.
"Science is bad!" "Science now proves god!" No, it isn't. And no, it doesn't.
"War on Christmas!" The X in X-mas is the first letter of Jesus in.. Damnit, I can't remember the language right now. But that means Jesus. Besides, we all know Christmas is the result of a number of holy days of other cultures being apropriated because they couldn't be stamped out.
"Halloween is Satan!" All Hallows Eve was the creation of the church.
"The Big Bang is dumb!" Well, the name is, sure. Made up by a Catholic priest in an attempt to discredit the idea. And so on.
I'm not going to claim there is no higher power, but I'm pretty confident it's not the one most often claimed. And no matter what this higher power might be, (if any), it really needs better arguments in it's favour. "Because I said so" doesn't cut it. And neither does "Might makes right", which is basically what they all boil down to right now.
@@sLazar5520 Jesus Christ has been seen resurrected by many hundreds of people (Josh McDowell wrote “Evidence That Demands A Verdict.” Lee Strobel wrote “The Case For Christ.” Both books help to settle the issue that Christ is alive). The early Christians would not have given their lives, suffering torture to death, without knowing that Jesus Christ had certainly risen. History confirms this through more documents, for example Tacitus: "Therefore, to squelch the rumor, Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called “Christians.” [...]. Their names come from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate.” (Annals, pg. 89 of Meier’s English Translation)
Only Jesus Christ (the human form of Divinity) has said: *_"I am the way, the truth and the life."_* He also said: *_"The sky and the earth won't last forever, but my words will."_* Matthew 24, 35
_"Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead [...] I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that _*_the gospel I preached is not of human origin._*_ I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."_
Remember when universities actually held (at the time) controversial debates without entitled children shouting down a speaker?
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
cool story, but I can be a good person and do all that without believing in god@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363no all praise be to Allah and the great profit Mohamed.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Sins are sins exclusively because God says they are and sins, and the Bible totally changes what sins are between the old/new testament. God is so perfect he can't even talk to his sinner creations, so he is going send his son to kill himself for us instead.🤣🤣🤣 Explain why god can't reveal his existence. The Bible says you can't know God, yet your punished eternally for not fearing and loving God. Again, explain why God wants humans to blindly believe.
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In Craig’s opening remarks, he starts out saying that the debate is about the existence of god, not about the social impact of religion. Then he goes on to talk about the impact of religion on the morality for society. Not a great start when you begin by contradicting your own argument…
It is entirely in keeping with Craig's general obliviousness in cognition that he cannot ascertain his own argument, which he plainly doesn't deem necessary. Craig is only interested in chewing the cud of his cowlike complacent assumption that he has already won, and that Hitchens is merely blabbing about inconsequential nonsense. WLC is almost sociopath level of cognitive inability.
Yeah not a strong point to make either using the rape argument when rape occurs more within the confines of religious organizations than anywhere else
I don't see how Craig contradicted himself there. All he said was that religion's impact on society was not the *topic* of the debate; he never stated that it was *irrelevant* to the topic of the debate.
@@ob4161 There is no point upon which Craig is NOT irrelevant. He addresses NONE of the actual arguments presented by Hitchens. Namely, that Hitchens emphasizes that Craig has no evidence to support any of his supernatural claims, no person has. Craig speaks from the point of view that he Pre-Supposes the Existence of "God", this is both irrelevant and non evidentiary and has no value. It is an unfalsifiable claim, therefore irrelevant to the business of providing what Craig claims is "properly basic".
Where does he do that aside from the Q&A? He was discussing objective moral values as a proof of God existence which is completely different. Get your facts straight
Chis is amazing as always but Lane is over the line as Lebowski would say. It's just soo bloody hard to listen to him but Hitch is indeed both entertaining and superior all around.
William Lane do not know theoretical physics. He should not have used this in cosmological argument
Regarding the manipulation through fake science, anyone can read online the Scientific American article titled: "Is Lawrence Krauss a Physicist, or Just a Bad Philosopher?" (about his book: "A Universe from nothing")
I mention here just few quotations: "He [Lawrence Krauss] is presenting untested speculative theories of how things came into existence out of a pre-existing complex of entities, including variational principles, quantum field theory, specific symmetry groups, a bubbling vacuum, all the components of the standard model of particle physics, and so on. He does not explain in what way these entities could have pre-existed the coming into being of the universe, why they should have existed at all, or why they should have had the form they did. And he gives no experimental or observational process whereby we could test these vivid speculations of the supposed universe-generation mechanism. How indeed can you test what existed before the universe existed? You can’t."
*Horgan:* Larry, I'll always be grateful to you for helping bring me up to speed on modern cosmology 22 years ago when I was researching an article for Scientific American. And what's disappointing is that, apart from the discovery of the acceleration of the cosmic expansion, which was certainly a big surprise, nothing has really changed since then. You and/or your popularizing colleagues--Hawking, Greene, Kaku, Susskind--are still marketing various unsubstantiated versions of inflation, multiverse theories, string theory, vacuum energy, anthropic principle, etc. What's ironic is that, although you don't have any more evidence for these speculations, your marketing of them has become more aggressive... and yet you accuse ME of hype.
*Krauss:* John… first, I didn't make any definitive claims.. and I get offended when people claim I make such.. second I tried to indicate how much has changed in the last 22 years.. that is the purpose of the book.. things are dramatically different than they were then, and I went through a very careful analysis to describe these changes..... the analysis of fluctuations in the CMB, the discovery that the universe is flat.. these are REAL empirical discoveries that both impact upon and add credence to many of our ideas.
*Horgan:* Larry, so you're saying that you're not claiming to have answered the question posed by your book's title? You're just tossing some ideas around, and you don't expect anyone to take them too seriously? OK, that's a useful clarification. It also means that things have not progressed in the last 22 years, in spite of what you just asserted. I think you better tell Dawkins, before he embarrasses himself further.
as Hitchens noted, religion have to evolved with sciences of they are doomed. For 2000 years faith and god were the easiest ways to explain life and nature, now science explains much more than religion ever have.
The superficial ones do not think enough to realize *the simple fact that from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* the entire process until nowadays proving the existence of God because *the results of a process prove the intelligence involved into that process* (even schoolchildren can understand that every photon, ... atom, ... cell has intelligence into it, *not to mention their functionality together).*
They ignore the intelligence put from the beginning. For example, the intelligence mentioned includes the exact value of the speed of light matching the manifestation of what we call "gravity", working together since the primordial conditions to form in the end this reality, which hosts intelligent life that is able to feel / understand / admire / enjoy / respect / love the Creator, especially through His human form, Jesus Christ.
Most atheists (the unbelievers of the truth in general) do not know enough science to realize its permanent limitations. For example, science will never be able to really know, at least, what a photon is (the magnification process being infinite). *Regarding the nature of God etc., our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them (comparison mentioned in the Bible), but we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to see God and what He expects from us.*
Therefore, those wise enough understand that *God is not bounded by time (not being bounded by what He has created), respectively He is eternal, always existed, which means that He was not created,* but atheists ignore, also, the other fact already mentioned by me about the nature of God that *our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them". Anyway, they have no excuse because we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to understand.*
A single photon is like a miniature Universe because the magnification process is infinite (it cannot be stopped). For example: 1/2 > 1/3 > 1/4 > ... 1/n > 1/(n+1)>... 1/infinite proves that we can go infinitely to smaller numbers greater than zero, which in physics means that we can go infinitely to smaller things, in other words *science will never be able to really know from what this reality is made.* No matter how small a particle is, the system of reference can be decreased to its level of size and see that it is made from smaller things, and so on (this is the infinite involved). In other words, *anything is made from something smaller and also it is included in something bigger.*
In addition, all the unbelievers of the proven truths, should not ignore the facts presented in (close to) the end of the video titled: *"Quantum Fields: The Real Building Blocks of the Universe - with David Tong",* which is available on RUclips, to realize that I am right in all my affirmations.
The entire evolution of the Universe has nothing against the truth about/from God/Jesus (many parts from the Bible being told metaphorically, not literally, at those times people not having enough knowledge scientifically, but now we can fully understand the metaphors used). For example, the dust from which Adam and Eve have been created is representing their material bodies (parts of this material world), God giving spirit to those material bodies. Eve made from Adam's rib is referring to the X chromosome from the XY.
Therefore, Adam and Eve are representing the first hominids species chosen by God to place *the immortal spirits* (cast out from Heaven) and that is why Abel killed by Cain are representing the Neanderthals (Abel) extinct by the Homo Sapiens (Cain). People from many thousands of years ago, when Genesis was written, could not understand exactly (scientifically) how God has created everything, including their ancestors.
Regardless of the content of this video, I think we should all salute the quality of the debate !! It was so highly civilized, respectful and organized that I "a third language English speaker" could fully understand and keep up with the argumentation and the logic followed by each of the debaters.
I'm from Tunisia, an Arabic country in north Africa, where this kind of debates might never take place, and if it ever does, there won't be that many of an audience to attend it, as the population doesn't really seek to prove or to disprove their belief, and they are just ok with keeping their faith as it is without shaking it with doubt even if that would actually strengthen their religious view.
I felt so badly urged to comment on this video, for its value and importance for the freedom of speech, of questioning, criticizing and arguing what is sacred or taboo to others.
Thank you BiolaUniversity for publishing this online, so could I and many others around the world benefit of this high quality debate, that we can't host in our countries depriving its people of their right to discuss the matters that society forbids.
Since you say you are Tunisian and that English is your "third language", let me make a bet on what is you "second language": Bienvenue dans le monde de la pensée critique Akram :)
@@lbourrou Merci haha :)
If it would be the only good thing the Arab world could learn from the "West", than it´s vital for a society to be openly discuss all relevant things humans are "touched" by. I know there are several attempts in societies like yours to do it like here and I hope people go this way everywhere, because it prevents us from totalitarianism in every form. Stay safe and curious, maybe you yourself become the "savior" of your broken society. My thoughts are with you!
Akram, your English is very good for a 3rd language. And I really appreciate your post. But I wonder, who do you agree with, Hitchens or Craig. I can assure you 100% that Craig has the truth. There is the one true God in heaven who loves us and sent His Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross, to pay the price for our sins. And Christ is coming back again someday to take His children home. May God bless you richly.
@@davewalt1781 Thanks :)
without taking any position, and just considering the fact that both of them are struggling or trying hard to convince, only means that the existence of God isn't really that obvious or undeniable ! It is still under debating and argumentation, and we are not certain.
My personal opinion, is that "I don't know" but I won't take religion as a final answer. Religion won't stop my curiosity to know the truth, I will keep looking and I will simply admit my current ignorance based on lack of proof.
That's why I appreciate this kind of conversations, because I learn !
An atheist can have charisma but since they are not selling snake oil, it is not a requirement. I still miss Mr Hitchens he was a great writer and thinker
And a great debater.
The only argument God believers have when they're told God is fake: " BuT HoW CaN SoMeThiNG CoMe OuT Of NoThiNg" Like bro your brain is too small just because we don't know how universe was made doesn't mean a sky daddy made it
@@justsomeguy4260 There's the issue right there, you just said it. "Sky Daddy". What? What is that? I don't believe in that, I never have. I believe in God. What is a sky daddy? You're making an argument with a false dichotomy.
@@onlyme2579 he's just paraphrasing though, you can replace sky daddy with whatever God or deity and it'll be the same. There is no single good reason to believe that there is any sort of God, until proven otherwise. Which hasn't happened so far.
@@stztstz1018 The same goes for the Theist listening to the arguments of an atheist. There's no evidence for me to believe your position. I will also point out, paraphrasing an incorrect perception, is still incorrect.
It seems to me to be absurd that this religious guy is supposed to be an experienced debater, yet doesn't understand the very simple concept that rejecting a claim is not equivelant to asserting the opposite. To be an atheist means that you don't believe the "evidence" that has been presented for a god. Not that you can positively prove that a god doesn't exist. How does one even begin to prove that something invisible and untestable doesn't exist? Craig presents a claim that there's an invisible guy who created the universe and observes us constantly. Being an atheist simply means that you don't find that there's sufficient warrant to accept that claim. Really basic logic, yet he can't conceive that.
You seem to be an agnostic, not an atheist, so that you are on a better position.
There are two kinds of atheists: those only temporarily deceived, being too superficial regarding the Creator of this reality (as I used to be due to the atheistic education under the communist regime) and those who do not want God to exist, who deny everything that proves their errors, such as all my simple, clear and undeniable demonstrations (found easily after sorting the comments).
@@filmeseverin You do not seem but complete M0R0N.
Yup. But Craig knows exactly what he's doing. The game he is playing --- pretending that his opponent holds a position different from the one he actually holds -- is a classic strawman fallacy, one of many that Craig relies upon. He's trying to shift his own burden of proof onto his opponent. By constructing new goal posts, he can pretend that his opponent hasn't scored. It's clever, but isn't going to fool anyone who is honest and listening carefully.
*All evil has been done because of stupidity and the main/worst stupidity has always been to not listen by God/Jesus.*
In particular, for mankind, if ALL people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ, *besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father, to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves,* all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen. As Jesus has said: *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
@@filmeseverin More bullcrap and still no evidence.
If Jesus died for our sins then how come he’s alive? If I pay for someone else, say at a restaurant, I cant go back there and demand a refund after 3 days. A deal is a deal!"
Answered already above, when the comments are sorted.
@@filmeseverin No, you lied above. LMAO.
Believers in Jesus belong to a church. What Christian denomination do you belong to? Imposter! Deceiver!
Every honest reader definitely knows to ignore you and your lies. Why do Romanians lie so much?
There is no intelligence in you for sure. Every honest reader sees it. Stop lying.
Why even watch the debate when the random people in the comment section are far more intelligent
If not as intelligent at least as funny as least as funny as fck (sometimes)
1:58:30 Check out the audience in the background. A lot of kids....people in their late teens and early 20s. And just watch them...all of them. Look how _interested_ and curious they all just seem. It seems pretty blatantly obvious to me. I honestly think Hitchens did a _huge_ service in showing up for this debate...at a Christian college. And it's just fascinating to watch this entire debate, and then almost 2 hours in, see the faces of just a tiny portion of the young audience there. I think his form of thinking absolutely had a lasting impact on many of them. Hell, this was 11 years ago...some of these people are now in their 30s. My brother used to be 100% on the young evangelical track....now, it's been many years since he's left that behind. Happened to me too. I'm 37....but from about 1997 to 2003 I was absolutely in the same camp...and convinced the rapture was just around the corner. I've moved far _far_ beyond that. And I'd venture a guess that many of the kids in this audience have as well...
avedic
Totally agree Hitchens was brilliant it’s a shame he was so wrong about Iraq and mainly only dealt with the low hanging fruit in theistic belief during his debates. I don’t agree with his approach to the philosophy of religion but I still really like him to be honest and find many of his observations hilarious. However, many eminent atheist philosophers such as Mary Midgeley, Massimo Piggliussi, Michael Ruse, Thomas Nagel and scientists such as Roger Penrose prefer to distance themselves from “New atheism” recognising it as a militant form of atheism that does more harm than good.?Hitchens early history including family and school life certainly shaped many of his ideas as he was clearly a man of many contradictions..
He actually formed a close friendship with the theist Larry Taunton whilst they were on a road trip together in America. Hitchens was fighting cancer at the time and was actually being treated by a cancer expert who was a Christian minister. Interestingly, when skimming through a copy of the Bible on the way to a debate Hitchens asked Larry why did Jesus weep at the death of his friend Lazarus?
There was no doubt he knew Jesus was an historical character and whilst he railed against theists and the Bible on stage, he maintained meaningful though largely hidden from public view friendships with Christians who were prominent scientists such as Francis Collins and the author Larry Alex Taunton. He also showed a lot of respect and humility towards the Oxford professor John Lennox after admitting to losing to him in one particular debate. It’s clear that, whilst Hitchens showed little reverence for “faith” and “superstition” on the stage, he had a likeable and lovable personality behind the scenes. It seems that what Larry and Hitchens shared on the two long road trips they had together was a (faith) in friendship which is possibly why Hitchens was curious about Jesus reaction to Lazarus death. However, there is no powerful evidence of Hitchens having a death bed conversion as some dishonest “theists” may claim. Equally, Larry Taunton did not claim Hitchens had a deathbed conversion as some staunch and dishonest atheists who haven’t even read Larrys book insist he did. Maybe Larry should have called his book the “Friendship of Hitchens” rather than the “Faith of Hitchens” so as not to offend the “faith” of staunch atheists. But why would Larry do such a disingenuous thing when he believed that the concept of human friendship had clearly evolved into more than just some herd or survival instinct.
“Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art.... It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things which give value to survival” (C.S. Lewis). Lewis was an atheist nearly half his life and carried around shrapnel in his body from WW2. Interestingly, Lewis was a genius and converted to Christianity due to the (friendship) and influence of friends such as J.R. Tolkien and also the literature of G.K. Chesterton and George McDonald.
Similarly, this quote from Hitchens speaks volumes about Hitchens character, honesty and approach to friendship when he was not in his stage persona...
“If everyone in the United States had the same qualities of loyalty and care and concern for others that Larry Taunton had, we'd be living in a much better society than we do”
(Christopher Hitchens)
I hope so for their sake
Like you?
I can’t quantify how much I miss Christopher these days. :)
I miss him too, just like the bubonic plague.
I can
God committed adultery by impregnating Mary bear Jesus Christ.?
@@2633babe God did not have sex with Mary. She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. And I'd be careful blaspheming the one true God in heaven. God is love but there is also the wrath of God.
dave Walt lol
Who was the Howdy Doody guy at the beginning?
Lack of belief does not have a burden of proof. It is the person making the claim that has the burden. Rebuttals to the cosmological and teleological arguments can be found in any elementary Philosophical text.
_1:18:58__ "We now enter the period of cross examination, which ... allows the questioner to pose, and the answerer only to answer and not repeat the question or to dodge."_
If only all TV interviews would adhere to this basic format.
For Hitchens, the hardest part was not having any whiskey
COCAINE is better
@@thewiseman5948 two drugs that don’t do the same thing at all. Is Advil better than Benadryl?
yeh he can't operate without it, or with it??
@@rep3e4 He operated pretty damn well, but maybe you have alternative facts or some other nonsense to back up your claim.
I have been thinking about moving outside of time and space, where I am not bound by natural laws, but I have heard the crime rate- especially genocide - is quite high, plus I don't know how I would make the commute.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why did god lie that Adam and Eve would die if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge? Why does god not want humans to have knowledge? Is it because when humans become knowledgeable they will know that there is no god. LMAO
How many horrible things you have done in your life that you need that much forgiveness.
You believe in a killer god.
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have for the animals? They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?
Why would you believe in this god?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Your low-self-esteem showing too much. When you self-upvote that means you are lying to yourself. I thought lying was a sin. LMAO
"Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God)" I will see you in Muslims HEII
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 "Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead.' Why do you lie for jesus?
Dr. Price is correct. The existence of Christ is a myth. You should listen to Bible scholars Dr. Richard C. Miller PhD, Dr. Kipp Davis Ph.D., and Dr. Dennis R. MacDonald. on their discoveries about Christianity while studying other religions. It seems more and more that Christianity is fake and Christians are just a bunch of thieves.
Oh dear! Bless you Mr Hitchens! Bless you. I can see what has brought onto you the cancer that took away from us such an ingenious man. I cannot imagine how you could sit there and take these hocus pocus crap from people who are carrying prof and Dr next to their names. You are now gone but THANK YOU for blessing us with your wisdom and knowledge and more importantly patience to argue against these sob’s brainwashing humanity with their absurd religions
Obedience is not morality.
Choosing "good" behavior is morality.
Ha? :)))
That sounds dangerous!!!
What is good and what is Baddddd...??
@@Honestandtruth
That really is the question isn't it?
Sociologically speaking, good is that which benefits the community as a whole.
In Dungeons and Dragons, good is what provides the mot benefit to the party.
In Religion, good is whatever some man says some old book says will make his god happy.
In Politics, good is whatever gets you reelected.
In most cases, BAD is what benefits the individual at the expense of the community.
(in narcissistic schema like politics and religion, bad is that which benefits SOMEONE ELSE)
Everyone believes their own behavior to be “good.” Even Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Bin Laden, etc believed that they were doing good. Since they all chose what they believed to be “good” behavior, would you say their actions were moral?
@@EvanBartholomew
To them, obviously.
However, they would be wrong because Morals are determined by society. They are culturally constructed.
You are using the word "good" in a perfectly meaningless way.
I'm a Christian but absolutely love both these men. Hitechens may have been an athiest, but in a healthy society asking questions is important. Rip
So when the Christian guy talks about how highly improbable everything is to evolve this way and uses a bunch of massive numbers of improbability he's still saying there is that one chance and when you compare how big space is in every direction to at least what we can comprehend with our mind then we are that one and all those other failed ones. So basically saying it's extremely improbable is just saying that it is probable. Based on the vastness of space saying that is basically saying it's 100% probable out of just a huge huge huge amount of choices. Kind of how winning the Powerball is super improbable but someone does because that many people are trying. Just like that except on a grand scale. Hence the fact that all those other situations are just. It's just that in our little amount of time to evolve and to get smart we feel as if that is a long time based on our perception of time. Really if the first did evolve for billions of years and we evolved for Millions that would still be a short amount of time compared to greater things kind of how a piece of sand is huge to ants but tiny to a mountain time is just relative. We are way too smart for this amount of time we've developed thinking it's been a long time and that we are so important. There could be other intelligent creatures that have come and gone not only here but elsewhere and will continue to do so. Us not understanding things leads us to mystical ideas kind of how lightning and thunder probably used to seem like more than just atmosphere weather that we Now understand I think people just don't like to look at it this way because it makes our life seem meaningless but if you can get over that and learn to just enjoy it while treating others good and maybe having kids and teaching them the same and that's okay. Seems like Wars aren't fought over not believing a mystical belief. So yeah once again Christian apologetics saying it would be one out of one with however many thousands of zeros following it for this to happen natural just remember there is one with that many thousands of zeros out there of planets and stars here we are the one
Look up Bishop Robert Barrons talk about Hitchens. Very interesting. The Bishop loved Christopher and truly appreciated him and his work
Good to hear this and I respect your balance
@ronaldrrootiii6040
I'd disagree over the evolutionary time scales you imply. We evolved over approximately 4 billion years rather than millions of years because we are the product of all life that existed from day 1. Contrary to this evolution has no end product so when our star reaches its ability to fry this planet it most certainly won't ve human eyes that witness it it.
@@andyhanks7105 Jesus is coming
Saying "If atheism is true" is completely r€t@rded. Craig either does it to be disingenuous or he does it to make the other person explain why it's stupid and waste their time.
Prove Atheism? What does that even mean? Atheism is just you saying there is a god, me saying prove it, you saying I cant,, then me saying then I don't believe you. Thats it.
"Atheism is really a term we do not need. In the same way that we do not have a word for someone who is not an astrologer." THANK YOU, Mr. Harris!
@@LGpi314 I agree.But since we do have it I refer to me previous statement.
@@KillerTofu1 Generally, those from such videos, exposed to my clear and undeniable demonstrations but who still want to remain atheists, are ignoring intentionally the simple fact that *from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* hoping that this reality is the result of no intelligence, in other words that God does not exist, only to escape the responsibility for their deeds, to not be Judged by God/Jesus after the leaving of this world, but they are in error. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
My simple and undeniable demonstrations can be found quite easily after sorting the comments.
@@filmeseverin WTF are you talking about.
For the serious and honest readers, who sort the comments and read enough from my messages, the errors of the fighters against God/Jesus are very clear. Mainly, they ignore intentionally both the importance of freedom and the perfection of Divinity. *Here is not Heaven but our chance to prove that we can be allowed into Heaven, to prove that we love perfection and always strive for it, by doing our best to use freedom only for good.*
If ALL people (over history and nowadays) would have followed the main commandment from Jesus Christ, *besides to love / respect our Heavenly Father, to love / respect (care for) the other humans as we love / respect (care for) ourselves,* all the crimes and the tremendous useless suffering would have never happen.
After hearing the truth about/from God/Jesus, only those who want to use freedom for evil are opposing to Divinity, feeling their freedom restricted, the really good humans being happy to receive the confirmation for their love of / striving for goodness, wisdom, justice... perfection, as Jesus Christ has said: *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Unfortunately, too many people have refused over history, and too many still refuse nowadays, to follow this.
Such a great loss is Christopher’s untimely departure....
@@thehuguenot5615 - Worship an eternal dictator forever, or face infinite torture. I’d rather burn forever in absolute defiance rather than blow a narcissistic psychopath. Your cult is sick and its ideals run in direct contrast to everything my patriotic, libertarian principles lead me to value.
@@thehuguenot5615 I would embrace and cherish every moment spent in defiance against a psychopathic despot. You can spend eternity on your knees. I will gladly take the eternity of torture with a smile if it means denying a supernatural, narcissistic dictator my devotion and worship.
That is the ONLY moral action to take against a thug like that. Might *_DOES NOT_* make right. Only a scared little slave would follow and serve a sick being like that. Absolutely immoral.
@Steven Hopkins If you've ever been rejected(by a friend, a parent or someone you love) then you have felt pain without "pain receptors". When one dies their consciousness will be together with God and will be either accepted or rejected after his judgement. There is no more of a horrible thing then to be rejected by God and his love. Nobody on this earth has been rejected yet. Jesus came to offer forgiveness and not to condemn. We have free will to accept either. Jesus was perfect (Logos[the Word] made flesh) and the only way to "cancel out" or wash away sin is with perfection. We ourselves cannot be perfect no matter what and this is why our Father God allowed his Son, Jesus Christ, to do everything humanly possible to love and protect us to the point of laying down his life for us. All so that our sins can be washed away or cancelled in order for God to be willing and able to accept us into him and his kingdom. Jesus Christ is our calling from our heavenly Father. Admit and confess we are imperfect , repent(turn away from our sin) and put faith in the fact that Jesus Christ has given you forgiveness through his death and resurrection. The forgiveness is there for those who ask/seek. It's the greatest message of love but not all will listen to this calling. Jesus bless.
@@-ChrisD you don't know whats going to happen when you die and you're ignorant for claiming that people's consciousness will join your pathetic god after they die. The truth of the matter is that you don't have ANY clue whether the words in the bible are true or not. You can believe something with all your heart, and that STILL DOESNT make it true. Spouting a bunch of garbage from the bible as proof of jesus, doesn't make any of it REAL. Good luck, I hope you find some actual truth in your life.
@@-ChrisD learn what an equivocation fallacy is. Emotional pain is not the same as physical pain. So your whole comment was invalid.
I really miss Hitchens. He looks like he was just kicked out of a bar after having too many drinks, and then he throws together these wandering sentences that go on for minutes but somehow manage to coalesce to drill his points home. Wish he was still around.
yes he was not at his best here, half drunk I would wager
@@JulianLeahy He did say he was in the bar earlier
Wow dude your smart you said coalesce bro wow man what’s your IQ dude you must be smart that’s a very sophisticated word
@@Xzsxztreiii It didn't seem like a flex. It is just an example of somebody that is able to communicate well and doing so in the correct context. Try not to be intimidated.
Christians say that Jesus Christ saved them, Christopher Hitchens saved me from religion. I wish I gotten the chance to personally thank him.
The question is: Why so many were/are opposing to the main advice from Jesus Christ: to strive always for goodness, wisdom, justice... for perfection? *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Most probably, because just as it is easier to destroy something useful than to make/build something useful, in the same way it is easier to be evil=stupid than to be good=wise.
I’d rather be a satanist than a Christian.
@@joeschmo8755 You can't argue with M0R0N filmseverin .
This short earthly life is a school and exam for our immortal soul, for those who did not listen by the Creator to understand the value of "light" without experiencing the "darkness".
This reality has been created intentionally so that freedom to be 100% offered, God wanting to see the *free* choices/deeds to reward accordingly. *_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
The problem is with those who have used (are using) their freedom for doing evil on purpose. That is why it is not easy to fight continuously with what Satan has done to this world (carnivores, parasites, viruses, bad bacteria... the so called _"weeds"_ in Matthew 13:24-43) and to ourselves ... because *until our physical death we fight with the works of the fallen angels and of their tools, the evil=stupid people, the consequences of evilness = stupidity.*
This is how debate should be done.
Soon, after the modernity, like any fashion like construct, ends, the new theists philosophers will emerge victorious.
Craig's just a foretaste.
@@freshapologetics1841 geez no need to be like that
@@thor576_3 Like what??
@@freshapologetics1841 Like the liar that you are.
@@tomjackson7755 😅😅😅
Lots of respect to Biola University for hosting this debate. Thanks.
FilterYT 1v1 on rust?
cesar leon ass hole
It’s a shame their speaking professor is such a charlatan. This debate was nonsensical. Just like all Christian talking points. Religion really needs to understand the works are metaphorical. Clearly evolution takes place. Clearly there is no God that interacts with us. There is no proof for it at all.
@@NA-vz9ko but kudos for having a neutral moderator for once...
Nate McMillin
After watching it I only saw evidence provided by Craig and not hitchens