@@inrainbows1829 please feel free to be proud as you watch the smoldering husk of a once strong society limp and wheeze through its subservience to foreign powers bc of ignorant, unserious, and selfish policies like this. Remember over a million people does bc of maga. Let’s check back to see how proud you are of the tragic trash heap this admin creates.
As someone who ran a medical clinic during COVID and had to fight the misinformation every single day for 4 years, I want to say that we absolutely did our very best in a situation none of us had been through before. We were learning as we went. I'm so tired of hearing these bullshit conspiracy theories and unscientific people thinking they know better than the experts. These people are why doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals are quitting en mass.
I agree with you completely. It blows my mind that people still think Covid wasn’t that bad and we went through lockdowns and precautions for no good reason. A million Americans died! How is that being dismissed? Why is it so hard to understand what novel virus means? It’s obvious to me that scientists and medical professionals did the best they could understand very stressful situations. Every time new information came out these people call it lies, like WTF? It’s so frustrating. Also thank you. Without people like you so many more would’ve died and I appreciate your hard work and sacrifice.
It's funny how Republican voters think Democrats are arrogant while they believe their 2 minutes of "research" and a few podcasts are better than 10,000 doctors.
"Question everything" is fine. The problem is that these people are NOT questioning contrarian ideas at all. If it is contrarian and conspiracy leaning, they accept it without question.
@@erichert1001 people tend to want to listen to ideas that support their own views rather than challenging themselves. It is a human tendency that has taken over and become dangerous because of all the media that we are now exposed to. And the algorithms support this by feeding you the “news” that you are drawn to
Bingo. What’s the old saying about if you stand for nothing you fall for everything? You see that a lot in these types of folks (The conspiracy theorists not Rogan viewers generally).
@@swang2489 The average person was previously apolitical and didn't have any coherent views. They just had this vague sense that the "establishment" was untrustworthy (thanks to Fox News) and so they latched on to all these other hacks out there.
@@edwardyazinski3858 , You literally gave him\her nothing to go on. Unless the answer was in the podcast, and then it's possible Terry didn't listen to the whole podcast, in which case Terry may be only responding to your lone statement.
I am not a college educated voter. I am an informed lower middle class Democratic voter. Please don’t pool all democrats into one snobby view. That is an insult to hard working non-college Americans. You make it sound like college people are the only ones who can make a sound decision. Not cool.
I don't think they are I think they are just presenting the numbers of course there are non college degreed folks that voted dem and reverse too where educated folks still voted for him but you can't ignore the numbers, Non educated people want for that guy and college educated people bent more for her in larger numbers. Not a dig just stats.
I have a BS in Chemical Engineering and MSs is Math and Physics, but the smartest guy I know never graduated from high school and worked for AT&T designing networks for 40 years.
It comes back to people being blatantly childish and saying “you’re not my dad, you can’t tell me what to do”. That’s it, people are that selfish and simple.
I think that people feel powerless (mostly because they aren't well educated) and anti-establishment contrarianism is a way to reclaim some of that power. It isn't logical, but it makes sense from a certain vantage point. Idiots like Trump are a vicar for this mindset because they openly challenge the establishment narratives, even if they do so in absolutely dishonest ways or for self serving purposes. This anti-establishment rhetoric is the foundation of a new political landscape. Like you, I find it to be pretty adolescent by nature, but we can't deny how pervasive it has become.
Yeah. The whole time listening to those clips, I was thinking “These people are so infantilized - can’t use critical thinking to analyze situations, don’t go deeper than the surface but also are reflexively skeptical of actual expert sources.”
That is so correct. Robt. DeNiro gave his opinion of Trump and Trump voters are so enraged bc "He can't tell us what to do." They're rebelling against him as if he's their dad, and could make them do what he wants. They're so angry and they think the reason is obvious. By offering his opinion, DeNiro "insulted and patronized them." It's unforgivable. Same with George Clooney. The assumption they instantly, make- encouraged by instant-websites that tell them so-- is that those anti-Trump celebrities will find they've destroyed their careers! Because they criticized Trump and Trump-- being the president-- will finish them off?? Or because these Trump voters themselves now hate these actors, the actors will never get another job bc they'll have been shunned by honest Trump voters. Websites show DeNiro 'crying' and George Clooney also 'crying.' Also shows them "enraged, having just heard he's lost ten million dollars," or, been "fired from Warner Bros. Studio." Don't tell them it isn't so. Google is unaffected by this-- google is priceless, imho.
What people do not understand during COVID is that without masking, hand washing and distancing is this: we were dealing with a virus that was spreading around the world and dealing the best we could. As a professional that worked in a hospital if we would have lost 20% of our workers to COVID it would have led to deaths of people with all other health conditions because of the loss of staff. People are so short sighted and think of only their experience. There were many variables that we had to think about at a time when information was not available.
A horrifying number of people were, in fact, oblivious to all of this. Unfortunately, many of them would've rationalized continuing to shun commonsense measures like masking, hand washing, and social distancing because their ignorance and defiance come from the same place.
It distresses me when people dismiss the masking and distancing as if people weren’t becoming violently ill and/or dying at an alarming rate. I live in Queens, NY and I lost friends to Covid, and saw many more become painfully ill. I can only imagine how difficult it was for medical workers (particularly RNs) to try and stem this death march daily while also trying not to get sick themselves. People living in states where it wasn’t spreading as far or as quickly don’t get it.
Listening to many of these people makes me want to scream at my phone in frustration. But still, it's good to know what misinformation is floating around out there, and how much people are believing. Thank you, Sarah, for working hard to bring us the unvarnished truth, no matter how hard it is to hear...
The first right-wing conservative podcast wasn't really a podcast. It was a radio program hosted by Rush Limbaugh. As a reformed 'ditto head' that's where we started going wrong.
My dad was a ditto head. I remember hearing him call Chelsea a dog. Chelsea and I are the same age. I also remember him calling breastfeeding fornication. When I was 12, I knew I was not a Republican.
Not quite. It was the way Reagan allowed right-wing billionaires to get a monopoly of the radio spectrum over most of the nation so they could put up Limbaugh as a hero to spread their lies. The model worked so well they then took over the television and cable spaces. Now, they own the internet.
Yes, Limbaugh spread misogyny; my oldest son was a traveling salesman, and listened to his show constantly. To my son, his sister and I became “feminazis”.
I want to push back, Sarah, about what you said about dems capitulating to teachers who did not want to get right back to school during Covid. As a teacher, it drove me crazy that so many were ONLY concerned about the kids (who seemed to be at less risk for Covid) and couldn't care less about teachers who might have co-morbidities or be older or otherwise vulnerable to Covid. PLEASE! It's hard enough to be a teacher.
Exactly! It's still shocking and disheartening to hear how some people are so flippant about teachers' and school staff members' lives. And the lives of their families, too.
I think its ok to listen to podcast but people should have critical thinking skills. News is news, report the news as it is and avoid the view point views based on political leaning and let people use their critical thinking skills to deduce fake from fact. You are also sitting here saying Kamala Harris interview with Dana was fake. How was it fake? Is it fake if she knows she’ll be ask about certain issues without being given questions so she can prep for the interview, how is that fake.
I agree. My husband and I are older educators, and I have a heart condition. It was demoralizing to hear that I was putting my own health concerns over my students.
I used to listen to Rogan often. However, when he was attacked (mostly wrongly) over his stance on Covid, he changed for the worse and the change has become utterly ridiculous. The worst example is when he explained that he could not vote for Harris because Tim Walz was "a liar". If lying was the criteria, Trump would literally be the last American he could consider. It is stupid on its face and no one should put up with that kind of behavior from a person they seek to be informed by.
@@MiltonmilfredRogan is boring mediocre garbage. I’m always bored with him and most of the conservative podcasters that have no idea how governing works.
@@Miltonmilfred I am working on it coming out before Christmas. The Ukrainian War will end on the 24th of December if my plans go through. I am a Swedish diplomat and I have worked on this peace deal for five months through a organisation called The Young Patricians.
I think this is the problem with the Democratic Party They always go after people if they step out of line in terms of some views while not realising people are complicated and not everyone will agree with everything. Republicans are way better at accepting "Rebel type" people in their party. I mean Musk Rogan RFK Tulsi and even Trump were all Dems at some point
True...& to be expected. Like a judge once said: (slightly paraphrased): "No reasonable person would take Tucker Carlson's words seriously". ("REASONABLE" being the operative word).
My takeaway from Covid is that the general public could not understand watching science and medicine happen in real time. When new information would be released or they would change recommendations, it was interpreted as the science community was lying rather than they were learning. Add misinformation on top of that and it was the perfect storm.
Its so frustrating, they dont see that wearing masks didn't hurt them, staying six feet away, didn't hurt them, basic hygiene.. didn't hurt them.. but the contrary did.
The same cohort of Fauci approved scientists who got all the publicity at the start of Covid to push the line that natural origins was virtually certain, and that Lab-leak was a conspiracy theory, are STILL pretending that is the case. The highest profile scientists lied non-stop, and are continuing to do so.
I found that people didn’t think ahead with regards to how frustrating it must’ve been for those scientists and doctors who had to tell people, this is safe knowing full well that more than likely it is for hundreds of thousands of people however, the scientists didn’t have years and years of controlled groups to make sure that they knew every side effect you could get. Have you ever listened to the Americans when they advertise their drugs on TV by the time they finish telling us what could happen to you if you take the drug I’m beginning to think I’d rather live with the disease and yes people will take those drugs.
I give you all so much credit for listening to all of these people without shouting and pulling your hair out. I'm sitting here watching with my head in my hands and a sore throat from yelling.
Why aren’t you curious about another American who has a different point of view, then you do. If you don’t know people that think this way, then you are living in an echo chamber that does not serve you. The fact that you want to pull your hair out, rather than wanting to understand the lived experience of these people says more about you, than it does about them. You are sheltered and isolated and therefore do not have a true grasp of reality.
@M.CarmenPaz You have some interesting insights and judgements for someone I've never met or talked to before. Where did you get your degree in psychology?
@@M.CarmenPazTHIS!!!! This is the only reason I listen to this podcast. I think it's painful but it's important for me to try to understand both sides and try to be well informed.
I have a son who lives in Singapore. He called me in Dec 2019 and asked me "is everyone ok?" He said how worried he's been since covid 19! I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. He told me "Trump knows about it for sure!" HE told me how bad it is. Trump didn't say anything about it till March, then he downplayed it. 😢😢
Do you think Trump down played it to stop mass chaos. The hoarders within the stores. The hate towards non jabbers. To keep the economy, businesses going. In my state we locked down for one month. No one knew what was happening. No president ever dealt with a plandemic.
I contracted COVID during a layover in NYC in February of 2020. Almost 6 weeks later after 3 weeks of agonizing OTC remedies, I discovered that Trump's administration had warnings and did nothing to inform or protect . The nightmare continues...
My mother lives with my Fox loving brother and his anti vax wife. I live half a country away, but am the oldest, so responsible. I believed in the Covid vaccine and got my progeny vaccinated. Of course my 88 yr old mother and the others in that house were not vaccinated and Covid hit them all. My mom survived barely, and while my brother and his wife got pretty sick, they survived. While my mom was between life and death in the hospital, I had to deal with hospital and make the hard choices. My brother was too sick to deal . My mom lost her vitality but survived. Three years later, and I can’t forgive Trump and my sibling’s family for saturation of Fox misinformation that colored my elderly mother’s viewpoint and endangered her.
Covid was the turning point for me. I voted or Trump in 2016, by 2018, I regretted my vote, and at the end of Dec 2019, I got Covid. His handling of Covid, his lies, I was finished with the man. And then his January event made me really dislike him. I'm a Reagan Republican and feel very confident Reagan would never have allowed Jan 6th to go on without trying to stop it. Reagan would have handled Covid as the leader of a nation, not some school yard bully as Trump.
As an early middle aged man with octagenarian parents, covid nonchalance and mRNA conspiracy theories was the part where I finally shut off from trying to break bread with social conservatives. I just can't with people who deny the medical efficacy of social distancing, and vaccination at the national level. Socially sanctioned killing in the public space because our culture is so hyperindividualistic that not coughing on the immunocompromised, or considering the wilful transmission of upper respiratory viruses in public a god given right because of the plausible deniability behind coughing/exhaling in public? This country is cooked.
Sarah and Tim. Regarding COVID, you mentioned, "maybe this has something to do with being in the U.S." I think you are quite right. Yours is an ethnocentric culture. If you looked around the world others were masking, social distancing, closing schools or enforcing strict sanitary rules (like Korea) and no one complained about it or felt a conspiracy was afoot. They were following the information given to them by learned scientists who were doing the best they could to keep people alive. Masking, vaccines, social distancing did not become a political issue. It was a health issue. What is wrong with your country that you don't look outward instead of inward?
In the us most ppl are pretty isolated. Even New York has de facto segregated areas. So your community is your family and some friends and not really your neighbors
Bingo. Having been born, raised, and schooled here, I’ve seen a growing national ethos of arrogance and ignorance, ala the “Republic of Me, and Only Me!” Of course there are millions of self-aware folks, who defy this trend, but the propaganda machinery runs strong and has been feeding this ethos since the Gingrich Revolution of the early 90s. I agree that lots and lots of Americans are spoiled and bored, which might explain their deep conspiracy immersion and lack of outward focus.
I don’t know how old y’all are, but I’m a mid-20s guy. I can’t help but feel like the older generation that taught me how to look out for danger and keep those around me safe just seemed to completely forget those teachings as they got older. My parents are devout MAGA voters, despite the fact that I oppose Trump because of who they raised me to be.
@ImortalZeus13 Be sure to give your parents a hug and tell em how much you love them, Mortal Zeus. They are obviously STILL looking out for you but are sadly confused that you didn't appear to learn some of the life lessons they attempted to teach you 😉
I once (in 2007) had an exam question in music school about the increasing availability of music and more choice, and what would be the effect, and I said that we would actually listen to less varied music because when we look for new music and are overwhelmed by choice, we go for what is most like the music we already know. I think the same applies to all of this media.
You hit the nail on the head... we react to overload with discrimination but we can't calibrate our discrimination so we follow our feelings. It's in a book called "Thinking Fast and Slow" that got pretty famous in early 2010's. Explains the split screen media and ridiculous spinning we are suffering from.
The cloth masks reduced exposure by about 50%, compared to N95 which reduce exposure by 99%. The cloth masks were all that was available , and were better than nothing. Kids are a different story but, Iwas a Nurse Practitioner and have many healthcare workers and MD's in my family. I'm on disability and had to completely quarantine for over 2 years due to other illnesses I have. So I sewed masks. Being scientifically minded I read as new information came out and modified the design as new info was available. Donald screwed everything up. I could go on, this was a very strange bug. My brother is an MD in RI he took care of many, many sick and dying people. He told me he had never seen anything like this virus, with lung, renal, and it was the virus causing blood clots, not vaccines. Most of that no longer happens with how the virus has mutated. I read about the possibilty of a pandemic since 2000. Several times a year medical and nursing journals would have articles about how we were overdue for a pandemic. They speculate about which pathogen would cause it, bird flu(I THINK IS THE SCARIEST) west Nile, Influenza. That is why Barack Obama had a committee to address it. Back in 2007 the government was stock piling Tamiflu in case we had a pandemic. This was no surprise. Covid was a brand new bug we knew nothing about. It had very idiosynchratic effects. and we did have to learn as we went along. THAT IS HOW MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE WORKS! WITH A NOVEL ORGANISM IT TAKES YEARS TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTS. THE SPEED THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT AND DEVELOPED A VACCINE FOR COVID WAS HISTORIC. I'm sure it didn't feel that way and it is frustrating but we cannot know everything about a completely new pathogen instantly. That's why we have pandemics. It is no one's fault. It is how this works.
Thank you for bringing this up. There is SO MUCH missing context from all of these "anti mask" talking points. Remember, we had A SHORTAGE OF MASKS, so the next best alternative was a cloth mask, which was more effective than no mask. It wasn't ideal, but it was what we had. So, when people make these hyperbolic claims that the CDC was spreading misinformation and telling everyone that cloth masks were effective, they are almost always missing extremely vital context.
And the speed of that vaccine development was due to several factors that everyone seems to conveniently ignore: 1) The Genome for the Covid virus was mapped all the way back in 2019 BEFORE it hit the US. 2) The ENTIRE WORLD was collaborating on how to fight this. From the UN in april of 2020: ‘....intensified international cooperation to contain, mitigate, and defeat the pandemic, including by exchanging information, scientific knowledge, and best practices and by applying the relevant guidelines recommended by the World Health Organization.’ This proposal was supported by more than 100 countries. This means that there were dedicated efforts to share scientific findings and data. This is almost unheard of at this level for any globally cooperative initiative. Of COURSE this would produce faster results. 3) There were MILLIONS of case studies that could be used in vaccine development. 4) MRNA tech is significantly faster than normal vaccination tech (there is no viral incubation in chicken eggs for one), so the development window was WAY shorter. The reason it hadn't been used is because MRNA tech is extremely expensive (hence the $10 billion Trump handed over to moderna and pfizer).
If you can’t seal the mask it’s worthless. If you dont have the mask sealed and the proper filter it’s worthless. There is actually a science to mask. I did design work on the army’s decontamination units and had to study the requirements. Whoever it was that advised washing your hands was probably the best advice in the comments.
this isn't science; this is indoctrination and propaganda. You're conveniently leaving out the pathogen's gain of function origin, in a lab, where it was actively being manipulated and studied. They had years of knowledge already.
As a retired 70 year old I used to watch the evening news and read local newspaper everyday . The local newspaper you get very little of the story in print then need to go online to read the rest so you need internet. Cable TV prices are crazy expensive and the local channels and news channels are not included in basic plan so I was left with the decision tv or internet. Obviously I need the internet more than tv so with that I use ROKU for tv and listen to programs like yours and others for news. Thank you for keeping this old lady informed
We went stratght-up "internet" about 20 years ago. We switch over to broadcast (uhf antenna) for local & national news since it does not cost anything. As cable TV becomes increasingly less profitable; the majors are going to be selling you less for more money.
I have been saying this forever! In rural America news on your smart TVs consists of 8 different Fox channels and a few others and all the right wings. Who is spending $100 plus a month on cable?
In our late 70s, we cut cable 14 years ago, got a good antenna and watched local and national news three times a day. We read The Week news magazine for more in-depth balanced reporting. With the unbalanced bashing of Biden in July and editing of Trump's dribble we stopped watching. We switched to the Bulwark and Meidas Touch. When Trump won, we canceled The Week. We write to our senators and congressional rep, done it for years and will continue. Education must improve.
So glad I'm not a pollster. These people were just painful to listen to. Especially the ones who talked about not really caring about the crappy things Don-old Grump has done. "Because they don't really know what to believe." How can anybody with two brain cells to knock together have watched what happened on January 6th, and say something so outlandish?!!! I fear for this country, and not just because of the incoming administration. When I listen to things like this I sometimes wonder if American people can actually handle the freedom of a democracy. And that thought both pains me and scares the hell out of me.
The problem with mainstream or legacy media, especially Sinclair Broadcasting, is the lack of independent reporting in local news. Their broadcasts are often scripted word-for-word across all their stations, no matter the location. You could play a Sinclair station from one state and compare it to one on the opposite side of the country, and you'd hear the exact same script. This uniformity undermines local journalism and raises serious concerns about media bias and the spread of propaganda. I think that's why podcasts are more favorable 💙🇺🇸💙💙
I’m an American retiree living in Italy. I no longer watch American TV news except the Newshour. I am a Democrat who is also a Never Trumper. I subscribe to the NYTimes and, before this recent election, to the Washington Post, which I cancelled when Bezos forced the paper not to back a candidate. I will probably subscribe to the Atlantic as a replacement. I now get most of my news online as well as international news sources. That being said, I’m very careful to whom I listen. I want to listen to real experts, historians, bone fide political scientists, etc.. I also like the longer format. Finally, let me admit that I knew Trump in New York in the early 70s. He was an outcast and considered the epitome of vulgarity and sleaze. I was such a never Trumper that I went to my nearest consulate to vote. I had had recent knee surgery and traveled all the way to Florence on crutches/ wheelchair. In short, as an expat, I no longer understand my compatriots. I voted for Kamala, but would have voted for anyone who ran against him - even Bozo the Clown! I may no longer live in the States, but I will always love my country of birth. Sadly, I feel nothing but despair since Trump’s re-election.
I live in the USA still, for now, but echo your feelings about news. I want to get real news, its becoming difficult. I listen to a few podcasts, I don't take any of them for a news source. Tho I subscribe to NYT also, I also subscribe to Tangle and to the digital Denver Post. I'm very disappointed in MSNBC as a legit news source. When I worked a night shift I listened mainly to BBC. I found BBC did more world news - I followed the terrible downfall of Belarus, a day at a time. Those things are a useful lesson.
How educated on the personal details are Voters Abroad? Are they, a conscientious group of voters? In WI, we vote four times a year now. GOP here is trying to wear us out! And that, sadly, is working.
And no accountability when they get anything wrong. When they're saying what the listener wants to hear they're vaunted, relatable truth-tellers, when they screw up they're just some guy and 'who cares what they think?'.
There is no standard of truth at news stations like CNN or MSNBC either. ABC (George Stepanopolis) just lost a lawsuit to Trump for repeatedly (approximately 10 times) lying about Trump during an interview. They had to pay $15 million plus approximately $1 million for Trump's legal fees. NYT, Washington Post, and others lied for years about Biden's physical and mental problems. It is a wonder why anyone believes anything these companies peddle anymore.
@@urdrwho1 The same could be said of the Saturday Night Live News segment or the Daily Show. The Left has been doing the same thing for a long time. At least the form of the show is the same. The Left generally stuck to factual stuff until Conservatism got to SNL and they began to be the same kind of drivel as the internet.
Yes!!! Thank you Sarah! I wd go stark raving mad… but the information you bring to us is critical to know… Merry Christmas to you and Tim and your families!!! ❤❤❤
When an out-of-control wildfire strikes here in Northern California, where I live, the first question that comes to everyone’s mind is: Who started it? Wildfires that occur naturally don’t tend to blow up in the way arson does. You could ask the same question about some of the inane comments your focus-group members provided. Who concocted the brew of ad hominem attacks, misdirection, victimization, and retribution that have appeared to swallow, as reflected in what is certainly not their thinking, but instead their tidy, pre-packaged, knee-jerk reactions to reality? You won’t figure this out by giving these people credit for independent thought. The root of the problem does not lie there. You would do better to crack open your old copies of “1984” and “Brave New World,” because there at least you’ll find a diagnosis for what you are seeing. Our society is in the throes of an induced mass psychosis. It is both less explicable through the means you are choosing to do so, and far more virulent and malignant than even you are giving it credit for. JVL is the only one on your team who seems to understand this. You are staring into the face of evil; and that face is laughing at you.
What are your specific problems with Patel? I have listened to about a dozen hours of him talking on various podcasts and agree with like 90% of what he has to say. Dude knows where the bodies are buried and has the balls to dig them up. Exactly what is needed.
@@shakesphere622that describes people who watch CNN and channels like this tbh. The media puts up these fake narratives and labels people as “racist” or bad without any evidence. I trust Rogan 100x more than CNN
Teacher daughter lost colleagues during COVID. Lost kids, kids lost parents, grandparents. We did the best we could with what we had at the time. They are unreasonable.
And lives were saved because of the measures. I find the Bulwark reducing the enormity of it irresponsible as it's not true that children couldn't die from it, and doctors also think covid triggered genes in some children to make them type 1 diabetic. Lots of long covid too.
The cloth masks were not what medical professionals would wear hence their negative views. I have a sister who is a teacher and when classrooms were reopened but before the N95 was available she said it was the first time she didn’t get her annual bout of bronchitis, or even a cold and said she might wear it forever. (Didn’t.)
The cloth masks worked fine for our family. As a nurse, the 1st thing I did was give my family an intense lesson in Universal Precautions. Practice good hand sanitation & mask placement. Wearing your mask with your nose exposed is as effective as putting a diaper on a babies knees. Assume every person you meet has it & every surface you touched is contaminated. Periodically throughout the day, while away from people & public areas, spray your mask with Isopropyl alcohol. The ONLY one in our family that caught it, not once but twice, was our tween that had no choice but go back & forth between our home & her father's. Her father & stepmother are Ultra MAGA. They followed none of the regulations. Even then & even though we live in a small beach cottage that makes quarantining impossible, the rest of us didn't catch it because everytime I entered her room to take care of her I did everything exactly as I would entering any quarantined patient's room at work. After years of working with patients that have no immune system, my family has long been aware that there is a ripple effect of what they expose mom to is what mom exposes her patients to. So thinking of others for them was never an issue. It was a concern for our daughter when she came home from dad's. I hate that she had to go through that but I love that she showed compassion for others. And it wasn't lost on us that the very same people running around screaming they are the true patriots, are the very same people who showed our enemies that all they have to do is create a bio weapon & release it here, Americans will take themselves out.
My universal precaution training in the hospital also kept my family safe. At least we know these "do your own research" folks won't be bothering us when they have cancer or a heart attack, right?
I worked in the Microbiology lab as a Medical Technologist for most of the pandemic until I retired at the beginning of 2023. I tested Covid/Flu/RSV and other Respiratory viruses in great quantities day in and day out. I wore cloth masks/paper masks/N95/K95 and social distanced AND I was fully vaccinated and boosted every time it was available. In that amount of time, I saw a HUGE decrease in FLU/RSV and to this day I've never had Covid. I hated all the dis/misinformation that circulated constantly, and I blame Trump for not steering the entire country in the right direction. He has many deaths on his hands IMO.
"And it wasn't lost on us that the very same people running around screaming they are the true patriots, are the very same people who showed our enemies that all they have to do is create a bio weapon & release it here, Americans will take themselves out." Holy Shit, you nailed it there. Some of his supporters claimed that Trump shouldn't be blamed for COVID because " it was a weapon created by CHI-NAH". Not his fault. Don't blame him. But that actually makes how he handled it even worse. The ONE thing the President is unequivocally responsible for is to protect & defend American citizens from attacks made by foreign & domestic enemies. If an enemy attacked this country with a bio-weapon, he should have immediately found ways to protect it's citizens. He didn't. From the first day he announced the COVID threat, he lied about it; then continued to lie, prevaricate & BS for years afterwards to protect his own interests. It would be like FDR sulking about the attack on Pearl Harbor and refusing to come up with a response, because it was JAP-AN-EESE airplanes that dropped the bombs.
I was working full time in the hospital, as an RN during Covid. Universal precautions were the nonstop goal. I never got COVID and still have never contracted it. I do believe in vaccines.
Sarah, how do you listen to these focus groups for a living without losing your mind? I’ve snatched myself bald in frustration with just these snippets.
The problem is that this is how the Dems have been treating these people, too. Yes, some of the opinions are out there, but the common thread is a lack of trust in the government, in the media, and they need their politicians to be humanized, not political robots. If Dems can put a concerted effort into restoring confidence, avoid mainstream media until they can figure out how to fix their perception issue, and show people that they are people like them, they will come back strong.
@@JoBo52 Agreed. And while it is frustrating to talk to folks whose votes are driven by completely false and/or irrational reasons, I think we do not pay enough attention to the impact of simple *diction*. Over and over, Trump is criticized for the one thing his supporters say make them trust and like him: his 1970's teenage level phrasing. This goes beyond plain-speak. Tim Walz is perhaps one of the better examples of how to do this sans the lies, insults and name calling.
I’m sayin’ I have to stop listening to this one I think because it just enrages me every week, they’re either awful people or their complete idiots just like on Twitter ….Twitter in real life is what this focus group is like
It really screams entitlement. Some parents seems to think teachers are their, I dunno, slaves? Like their lives are MEANT to be sacrificed for the sake of these parents’ kids.
This segment reinforces how hard making decisions in the face of imperfect information and uncertainty is for most of us. Also how readily we feel anger at those whom we expect to be fully knowledgeable when we’re all facing a novel situation with many unknowns. I had to learn the hard way with cancer how to get through these situations. Now I appreciate this primed me to cope better with the pandemic. It was still so hard and so sad for all the people we lost. Wishing peace and patience to us all during the next year. 😷
Regarding the handling of COVID, I completely agree with you that people like Dr. Fauci were making the best decisions they could for the public, based on the information they had and their experience. If they had done nothing and let the virus run its course, I suspect the criticism would have been much worse. For me, the most frustrating part was turning a public health issue into a political issue. It was inevitable that mistakes would be made. So, they were easy targets for all the Monday morning quarterbacks.
Social media made people delusional about their own intelligence and capabilities. I'll never understand how slow rogan survived prescribing horse paste.
@@BG-fc3emivermectin is the 5th most prescribed human medication in human history. "horse paste"? Its inventor got a nobel prize for creating it. But you call it horse paste because it is also used to treat animals, like 75% of other pharmaceutical medicines.
It’s easy to look back at the pandemic with the knowledge we have today, and point out all of the things we “did wrong”. But the reality is, it took time to study and understand COVID-19. While I hated wearing a mask, and am irritated to know that the cloth mask did little good, I can’t ultimately be upset that we were advised to wear one because it seems things like cloth masks, social distancing and shutdowns were done in an effort to protect people. I’d rather find out later that the cloth mask was a waste of time than find out later that a simple cloth mask could have ended the pandemic sooner and saved additional lives. I’d rather find out later that wiping down my groceries was a silly thing to do than learn later it could have kept my family safer. We simply didn’t know the answers early on, and I don’t think overly cautious safety measures recommended by experts who were guided by historical and scientific data were unwarranted.
The cloth mask was not a waste of time. It was effective at blocking at least 50% of exhaled Covid particles. This, despite the fact that it didn’t protect the wearer much, it did protect others from the wearer.
Really Sarah? It's annoying to you that older and immune compromised teachers didnt want to die of covid? That's a very entitled attitude and typical of republicans. Dems were right. My 3 yr old grand child in the Philippines masked early on and strictly. No one in her preschool class has issues because Filipinos are not entitled and took care of each other and kept it moving.
Agreed. I dislike this one-step analysis which starts and ends with children didn't get as sick. Who works at the schools? Who do the students to him to at the end of the day? The mortality rate of the children is not the point. Preventing the spread of the disease was the point.
Wasn't her finest nor brightest moment. Same goes for her mask statement... someone doesn't understand how airborne viruses work or barriers that decrease their probability of being spread.
I think this country desperately needs to teach critical thinking skills at the high school level. I took a Symbolic Logic class in college and it really helped me to see through people's bullshit arguments, media bias, statistical manipulation, etc. The younger generations seems to have no bullshit detector and just accepts whatever nonsense they hear if it's relayed with confidence.
It’s been removed . That’s what happens when Republicans get on school board. In Texas Abbott didn’t want it taught because it conflicts with religion.
They don’t know what reality is anymore, so their bulltish detector is fine tuned to sleuth mode. They take pride in seeing the “truth” that the (once) majority can’t see. I saw some shorts of great white sharks that a number of people were insisting was AI, like they’ve never seen National Geographic, even though there were videos of how they filmed it. People are high on their own self righteous skepticism.
I am in my 70s. Growing up, there were three networks. You got the same information from each because they took pride in being accurate…. And we counted on that. You chose to watch the one you felt the most admiration for and trust in. We still do that. I watch Brian Tyler Cohen, Keith , the Bulwark….so we still tend to be drawn to presenters who have similar views to ourselves. You guys do a great job…. But I do miss mainstream media with integrity….
I miss that. You could trust the news when we were younger. I feel like it fell apart with cable and 24 hour TV shows. The news had an hour a few times a day to tell us what was important. And then later the broadcasting day would be done, you'd hear the tone, then the TV turned to "snow". Once they needed to fill all of those extra hours AND fight for viewers, the information became gibberish, and extra fearful to try to keep their viewers tuned in. We could turn on AM radio at night if we had concerns, to see if any emergency broadcast were being made, but it also allowed us all as people to turn ourselves off and go to sleep. I honestly feel bad for people who've never experienced that. We were bummed at the end of the broadcast day. I never thought I would miss it SO MUCH.
They were all lefties, too. They lie, just in different ways and about different things. My media diet is a mix of blue and red. That wasn’t available back then.
Because of that, we all had common information sources and all were essentially experiencing the same world. Today, there are thousands of information sources and, therefore, thousands of different worlds that people live in. I would not be surprised if there is a future world in which people study history in which the world collapsed because of too much media, too much input, too much tech and eventually no longer had anything in common at all.
You Boomers are naive. Before TV, people used to get their info from newspapers, magazines, and books, not the idiot box. TV is by far the worst way to "consume" anything, as it is causes passivity.
@@ryanjacobson2508 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. We all read the daily newspapers, listened to radio news, watched tv news, and had many magazine subscriptions. They did NOT contain wildly different information from one another. Some simply went into more depth. We shared a commonality that you clearly are unable to comprehend. Perhaps you need to talk to a few more "boomers" and learn something new yourself.
Sorry to hear that. I nearly lost my best friend, an M.D. who got it from a patient. The public seems to have forgotten what it was like watching people being hauled away in meat freezer trucks on TV.
COVID split my entire family apart! My sister in law refused the vaccine and got Covid and gave it to my elderly mother who died from the complications of COVID 😢 My family still remains divided! Thanks to Trump I am not sure my family will ever recover!
I understand the distrust with some of the Covid stuff but then I hear the guy say “like the flu and the survival rate is like 90% so…” The lack of critical thinking with that statement blew my mind. This guy thinks a mortality rate of 10% would be fine and doesn’t bother doing the basic rough math to figure out that would have been at least 11 million deaths in the US alone. Our education system needs help.
You need to age stratify the data. Under 65yrs its .09% and of that # 89% had one or more underlying medical conditions That data does not even take into account the obesity rates
After getting horribly sick from H1N1 in my 20s and having a friend die in her 30s from the flu before COVID , I'll never take flu vaccines for granted ever again.
And, he doesn't factor in all the people that get horribly sick and become seriously affected by it for life. How does not factor in to his "thinking"?
As a nurse who worked in the community, I lost patience who did not have the vaccine to covid. They could have saved their own lives if they had not been fed misinformation about the vaccine.
Joe Biden and even your messiah Rachel Maddow said “if you get the vaccine you will not get covid”…. That then changed to “if you get the vaccine, it will lessen the symptoms”…. The American people aren’t falling for your gaslighting.
I’ve been a nurse for over thirty years and live in Mississippi. I can say that I understand. I was actually in a public space wearing a mask and someone that I DID NOT know walked up to me, pulled my surgical mask and said” you know those things don’t work don’t you?” This was in the middle of the pandemic . Needless to say my patience with these people is very thin.
Omg I’m a teacher and immunocompromised. I wore a mask way longer than most people. The person who complained about it being a fuss for nothing🙄When little kids get sick, they can’t cover their cough or blow their nose or wash their hands. Germs spread like wildfire in classrooms. I’m glad in Australia we were pretty compliant with lockdowns and masks. Recently (not COVID related) one child coughing infected 8 other children within his cough radius on the mat. Parents bring kids to school sick because they have to work. This is the type of thing some people don’t understand.
I was just talking about this from a different point of view. My G'pa had emphysema, and if any of his kids, their spouses, or their kids, or any sibling etc caught a cold, HE caught pneumonia.
Yeah "children are not at risk" is not the whole game. They go to school, share their bugs and bring them back home. Parents know when the seasonal infections are around...
Trump did truly unethical and morally appalling things that may have been mentioned but not covered to their full extent. No outrage and no accountability for his acts on the part of the media for this man who is truly a monster.
And, that's all you have on Trump. A spotty history and twisting some of his words around. None of that is going to work on JD Vance, who has no history and is a far better speaker. Drop the virtue signaling and work on policy, or you'll lose again.
Compared to the actual monstrous humans that have existed, the Stalins or Genghis Khan types who caused the deaths of tens of millions and inflicted tremendous suffering upon tens of millions more, Trump is just a mean old man, not a monster compared to real historical monsters.
@@fazdoll An insurrection and 34 felonies for election interference is nearly all we have on Donald. 🤣 When orange man said he could murder someone and you wouldn't care it was just the pathetic truth he knew of your standards..
They don't have distrust. They have an inability to deal with moderately complex facts and give up trying in frustration.They act like they performed competent research into medical and public health issues. They didn't and waited around for someone to legitimize their ignorance
Used to work in local news. Back in the 80s, local news dropped the idea of beat reporters. We are now oaying the price. No one has expertise in anything. On the local level that means there is no institutional knowledge, no historical knowledge, no community knowledge.
Never worked in journalism, but I've definitely seen this as a state employee. Being in your job for a long time was seen as such a negative thing. But I saw lots of people who wanted to make 'common sense reforms' who had no clue that most most of things had been tried before. There were understandable reasons why we kept doing things in supposedly dumb ways. I wanted change too, but common sense wasn't the thing that was needed. As I read what I just wrote it doesn't sound like I'm making the same point at all, but I think that we are both in agreement that understanding the history of a system is important if you want to keep pace with the times. This desire to disrupt institutions is coming from people who don't understand them, and I guess we can't really expect that they should when the people covering the institutions don't understand them either.
A lot of people out there are way too easily led by the nose, if you present them with views they secretly hold, especially those which including blaming other groups.
Re Covid, just look at the deaths in USA compared to countries where governments imposed restrictions until the vaccine was available. There is a fine line between individual freedom and community responsibility. Your freedom should not put others in peril. In Australia we had severe lockdowns and saved lives and kept hospitals working. I am astounded that Americans were so selfish and stupid. I applaud our leaders who tried their best to keep me alive.
Individual freedom is enshrined in our Constitution, and millions of American fighting men have died to ensure it stays that way. If you are at risk you can stay home, but I will do what I want/need to do as is my right.
@@Eyebrig Well, a lot of Americans are now DEAD for demanding that freedom of not wearing masks and being able to spread covid germs around the country by demanding not to socially distance.. That's just plain dumb... It's also selfish and irresponsible..
Me and my wife gasped when Trump stepped in front of Dr Faucie Trump said" Faucie is making my numbers go down" Trump wasn't concerned about Facies safety recommendations, trump was worried about elections. While thousands of people died
@@EyebrigI’m American and it is enshrined in my constitution, too. You are simply selfish. You are telling people to stay home if they are compromised. You do know those people have jobs, too? If we do not shut down how does a teacher stay home? Or any working person for that matter? Quit picking and choosing the parts of the constitution that fit your wants. Because that is all you are doing, trying to fulfill your singular wants.
We also had a lot of fools here complaining about school closures during the pandemic. I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather have my grand kids a little behind in school and catch up which they did than be dead and or spreading COVID to their families and others.
I had a conversation with a Rogan fan coworker who was unshakable in the belief that Ukraine aid in 2024 was over a trillion dollars. I don't think he really understood the difference between billions and trillions. How do you ameliorate that?
I had a conversation with a biden supporter that believed there wasn't a huge influx of illegal immigrants. How do I amerilate that? Point is both sides have uneducated people, don't cherry pick one then smear the rest with the same brush, its intellectually dishonest.
Well, congress has approved 174 billion in aid to Ukraine. That is more than the marine corps annual budget. While 1 trillion is an exaggeration, he is right to be pissed about the wqsteful spending on proxy wars that do nothing but drive up inflation.
I contracted covid during Trump's term and was sick for three weeks. When I got better I wore a mask every day at work and the customers complained at me repeatedly because I was wearing a mask. I told them that I am immuno-comprised because I have heart failure and kidney failure so I will be wearing my mask every day. Guess they were MAGAS and believed Trump that covid would just go away. It didn't.
Rogan’s superpower is that he molds to everyone who comes to his show. He doesn’t push back much because he himself has zero consistent stand on anything; he’s a people pleaser. So expect him to change his position at any given time. Rogan is like silly puddy. Anyone can mold him. That’s why he has so many followers.
@@TheHighlanderprime he always says he’s just a guy and just talking. He’s an entertainer. He’s always been anti establishment but used to be more balanced, but the disinformation he emits now has really amped up. He has gone off the deep end since Covid. He has taken in too much disinformation and his brain is now stuck in this bad bubble. He isn’t as open as he used to be.
Never forget the average American has the reading comprehension level of a fifth grader. Imagine any 10 y/o you know waxing philosophical about modern American politics and media. JVL is right but too polite. They aren't "unserious." They are dangerously ignorant.
I like to drive this point. And the fact that most people still don’t vote. These are the first two things that need to be understood and established when we talk about why Trump won.
HOWARD STERN!! Don’t forget about the influence of that man and his crew for over 40 years! The daily ritual of tuning into his hours long, rambling conversations among his cast of characters - including guest characters like Trump - has never been my cup of tea. But it certainly has been for a lot of other people, spanning multiple generations (Boomers, Gen X, Millennials). And Stern’s rise was roughly concurrent with Rush Limbaugh’s. So here we are today with Rogan and all his podcaster “siblings” as the intellectual heirs to that sort of auditory circle-jerk that people clearly still want to join in with, both literally and metaphorically.
Actually, having listened to, and deeply respected Howard Stern's broadcast about 9/11 as it was happening, I will always respect him as a philanthropic man. 🌱
I intensely disliked Stern when he was in his shock jock phase. I am not a follower, but it appears that he has matured and grown over the years. He's an intelligent and surprisingly thoughtful person and a great interviewer.
@@barbaramonaco105 Yeah I wasn't a fan when he was playing chock jock but he did mature and you are correct, his interviews are very good. He still falls into a little of his shock and that is when I turn off the channel. There are still many people who think Howard is only a shock jock and when I say I listen to him they give me bad looks. ;)
You guys have a point - all good observations. I suppose he’s matured and mellowed a bit. And I listened to and appreciated his conversation with Harris. I have numerous Rogan-type listeners in my circles of family and friends and they all started by listening to Stern. They don’t echo Stern anymore quite like they do for Rogan and that type of “preacher” now. Stern may have matured but these people, my family and friends, didn’t. I wonder why? I wonder what they’re looking for?
Sarah, I second Tim's sentiments about the work you do. I don't think I could do what you do AND still remain optimistic. Thank you for doing this for us and keeping us informed! Also, you ROCK!!! Tim, I feel your pain! Every time I face palmed or scratched my head hearing the responses from the focus, I'd look at the screen and you'd be doing the same! :-) Sarah, merry Christmas and happy holidays for you, your family, and your loved ones! 💙💙💙💙💙 from a Brazilian fan.
A few thoughts, 1) Yes, distance learning had negative impacts. Yes, those impacts are still being felt. Maybe the children were not a group at high risk, but you can't have in person schooling without adults, teachers, support staff, janitors etc...We went into the pandemic with a shortage of those at-risk people. Closing in-person education was a decision that did not only impact children. Sorry, but not sorry if you were annoyed or inconvenienced. 2) Fauci has been a hero of mine since the hiv/aids crisis, and an influence on my decision to go into medicine. He and his staff had an impossible mission, to protect americans while his boss spread lies. When cloth masks were recommended, I knew we were headed to a very dark place-my take away was we were not prepared (stockpiled) to protect our frontlines, much less the rest of us.
Interesting you say that. Was the older daycare worker given tools to protect herself? Like the importantance of vitamin d and? Getting enough sunlight and good hand hygiene? We do have immune systems and most of the time, they work. Lockdowns only were effective for a short amount of time. Not two years.
I had the same thought. I had employees who took voluntary furloughs because they had a job that necessitated that they be around tons of strangers every day. They weren’t concerned for themselves (young and healthy) but they lived with family members who were at high risk. Their choice was move out for the duration of the pandemic or take a furlough and they chose the latter
2 things about covid- i worked in many different hospitals and saw many kids on ventilators. Also, if the thought is that kids aren't affected as much as older people, remember, teachers might be some older people. I'm biased because I'm in Healthcare, but also just wanted to share. Excellent show guys!
I remember that clearly. We also had two pregnant women get COVID and pass away before the vaccine came out. They were able to deliver one of the babies as a preemie, and I think she did well. It just really made me sad that they died. And then there were places like New York when bodies were in refrigerator trucks, and so many elderly people died. In the beginning it was horrific. Then the anti mask stuff came out because trump refused to tell the truth to the public about how dangerous it was. And he knew well before it was really spreading here. When he did that, about half the country wasn't going to ever take it seriously until someone close to them died from COVID. There were so many anti mask people in my area that I ended up homeschooling my grandson for kindergarten and first grade because he has asthma. As soon as the vaccines came out, we all got them.
I also do not understand the hatred directed towards Dr. Fauci. I feel that the info he gave was valid and our best option to lessen the spread, given the US’s supply of equipment at any given time. I hate wearing masks, but realize that cloth masks were better than nothing at the time.
That's why you'll always fall for propaganda. You need to question as soon as their story starts to change and then question what Is the motive for them changing their story
They may not have been, but directing the public away from our inadequate supply of PPE was the right thing to do at that moment. If we'd let our doctors and nurses die on the front line while people who were sheltering at home hoarded all the masks in their garage, they'd be blaming Fauci for that. And I know in my gut if any supply had been available during that time, the 'low-trust' voters would have latched onto masks as critical to their survival and it would have been harder to get them to turn on masking later. That's the level at which these people's brains seem to be operating.
As a prediabetic with 3 autoimmune diseases and when I get the "flu" it becomes pneumonia in 2 days, it would have been very bad for me to get COVID-19. It was very difficult to hear the "Joe Rogan" misconceptions. It seems like they are saying their personal liberties are more important than the very lives of people like me! (My brother is one of the "Roganized" which was heartbreaking for my immediate family. He still spouts the Roganized misinformation daily on FB Live & YT.)
I feel your pain. All of my in-laws believe the popular misinfo about covid. They’re polite enough not to bring it up around me but they won’t stay home when sick or even acknowledge they put my long-covid disabled ass at risk when we’re together.
I get SO tired of hearing about the teacher's unions! That's a misnomer! They may be super powerful in Northern States, in DC or in California, but in at least six states (Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Arkansas) public-employee collective bargaining is actually against the law! We are at will employees in a right-to-work state with little to no rights or protections. They said go back, we went back. In Texas, they began to prohibit masks, contact tracing and excused absences for COVID. It's as if they WANTED us to all die!
A friend of mine works for a state university, and during Covid there were so many support staff (like building engineers, cleaning crew, etc) that had died from the disease! It was so sad - one of those men had literally just retired; the school had a party for him, and he caught Covid at that same party (from a co-worker). A few weeks later both he and the other guy whom he caught Covid from were both deceased.
I taught in Texas for 11 years before moving to Oregon in 1986. My salary in Oregon is much more than in Texas. We can also bargain for working conditions.
What I trust the most is receipts!! A la Rachel Maddow. Joe Rogan doesn’t seem to bother with those. I watched Luke Beasley on his show and for me, Joe yells and looses it way too much, somehow Luke was able to stay calm through it all kudos to Luke Beasley.
I am 74 years old and I am a Democrat. My reaction to Trump winning the election and main stream media bending the knee to Trump is to cut my TV cable service. I read a paper everyday. I believe that between my local TV news and news reports I can see on RUclips I will be able to keep up with the latest news on Trump. I have also started to read more. I love reading and I have not been making time to read. Now that I do not watch cable news I fill that time with reading. I will be better off paying less attention to the cable news channels.
Shouldn’t you be questioning the things those same people told you? Your newspapers are no better than cable. Don’t be the last one on the bus as far as figuring out where to get credible information.
Well said. The cable news has become an outhouse. News used to be something the country rallied around, now it's all based on entertainment. FOX makes money by dividing the country and it's sad to see so many real journalist leave FOX due to the crap they see daily.
Just check the corporate ownership of any news you've been consuming. When you were young, about 50 different families and corporation had a say in the news business. There were also many local independent papers. Now everything is owned by 5 mega corps that are all owned or banked with blackrock. Run by people in the same social and business circles, went to the same elite universities. Local news across the country is handed the exact same corporately curated script. You've likely been consuming news straight from DNC and corporate strategists and not even realizing it. I'm 33 yo independent, dont like Trump for obvious reasons, but can't vote for dems either. Too many lies. Gives me a cold tingle down my spine. I agreed with Tapper on CNN when he described the cover up around bidens mental state as "orwellian". Truly creepy. Or how "51 intelligence agents" all said the hunter laptop was propaganda. It wasn't. But it was so heavily censored by big tech and the corporate media. Very scary stuff. Reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction hoax, same people. Dems have become a corporate party. That's why Obama did the opposite of what he campaigned on. He surged troops and dumped over a trillion dollars on building the Iraqi and Afghanistan armies. Only president in american history to be at war all 8 years of his presidency, after promising the end the wars lol. Plus he bombed 9 more middle eastern countries, and toppled 7 more governments. All countries that were on the right wing "project for a new American century" hit list. Plus the drone strikes in Yemen, he let the military just run wild. Cheney loved it, he and Bush were dead ducks when it came to pushing for more military action, Obama was a perfect Trojan horse. Now dems have basically become the war party, it's so sad. He did healthcare reform that prevented a public option, when he had promised a public option. He promised to sign the right to choose law on day 1, so that Roe would be cemented into federal law. Totally blew it off, you can see in a interview after his first hundred days how he had already dropped it as an issue. Dems pretend they didn't do that tho, just memory hole it 😂 Oh and he bailed out the bankers, made them richer and bigger than ever, all while 5 million families lost their homes and people's pensions and retirements were seized. Add this to the "disastrous" trade deals Bernie refers to, like Nafta, and dems have done more to sell out American workers than basically anyone else. In 1990, around 50% of clothing Americans wore was made here in the USA. Now less than 2% is made here. The people that used to work in those favtories ended up working retail at Walmart making total crap wages. Profits from the trade deals went straight to the top. I despise both parties, but especially cant stand the trojan horse that the dem party has become. Trust literally no one. If you can't verify it, don't believe it. I just read more books and watch more movies nowadays anyways, tired of being lied to as gaslit.
@@63rambler66What is your problem?? 😂 This person said they're turning off cable news and reading books and newspapers which absolutely are better sources of information. Give an actual suggestion instead of cutting someone down!
Sadly, the trustworthiness of local TV news has been on the decline since the 1987 abandonment of the Fairness Doctrine by the FCC. While many local news stations are still free to report the news as they wish, an ever increasing number of them (in particular those owned by the Sinclair group) are sometimes forced to report partisan news fed to them by their parent company.
I worked in healthcare and wore double cloth masks during the pandemic until kn95s were more available. I never got sick once. It is I think very important to realize that flu and other viral infections were almost non existent during the time we were wearing cloth and medical masks. I sympathize with people who had young children because it was very hard for parents to navigate the school situations and the masking but it was not just kids at the schools. There were teachers and staff who I think then would have been exposed to a high risk of getting covid. The other aspect that is still not getting enough attention is the risk of long covid and the potential cost of medical care for the people who suffer from long covid.
We wore cloth masks for a short time before we found basic masks, but even those helped, because before the vaccine came out, we were all wearing them until we could get the N95 masks.
The fact that multiple people mentioned how they liked Candice Owen’s who is a Russian talking point speaker box who thinks the moon landing was fake and denies the holocaust is really alarming to me. I really don’t understand how people can listen to her talk and not have blaring bs alarms going off in their head
I very much sympathize with parents who dealt with masking children, however if you have every worked in a school you know how that environment has always been a vector of illnesses from children passed onto the staff. I am a Librarian and my first years in a school I contracted a flu ( up until that time I had never been vaccinated for flu) That flu nearly killed me. The Teachers Union is very much aware of our exposure to children passing illness that might not hurt the child as much as it hurts the vulnerable staff.
"well once we understood the risk to kids was low, we likely shoulda sent them back to class, but the teachers were fighting it" This is an absurd statement once you realize 1/3rd of teachers are over 50 years old, the high risk group for teachers, the average age of teachers is 43, the second highest risk group. Teachers were hesitant to go back to class because, while yes, kids were low-risk *teachers themselves* were a high risk group.
Anyone at risk can stay at home and self-quarantine if they so choose. Nobody has the right to destroy the lives of everyone around to suit their personal needs.
@@mardyroux8136 You were the one who claimed that teachers that had risks did not need to be in a classroom. I did not. That means that you implied that children could be in a classroom by themselves.
Asking people to do something that they don’t benefit from directly and obviously is just not acceptable to some peoples. Many people can not see beyond their own self interest
You're supposed to be weeding these people out of your organizations, not making excuses for them. If it's all power to you, then what's missing is more abstract constraints, such as laws, or ethics. You get the authority you ask for, and if ethics aren't good enough for you, someone's going to have to show you power.
If I had a sexual assault judgement against me in addition to the mismanagement of funds I wouldn't be able to get a job. Why does this bar only apply to the little people and not people who are going to head our government??? Hypocrisy.
And Trump rallies. I always ask what these people used to do with their time before Trump came along. Did they go to concerts, did they volunteer, did they participate in sports? Why do they buy all his merch and dress up and go to these hateful rallies over and over again, all across the country?? It must give them some sense of belonging to a group or something that they’re not getting from their families, community, church or schools ???
The mask thing was so you don’t spread the virus not only preventing from you from contracting the virus. I always looked at wearing the mask that I am protecting others against any germs that I may be carrying or passing on. I felt it to be uncomfortable as well but until the science worked through this disease as any other disease we needed to follow protocol. This was a new virus and we needed to work through it just like anything else.
Oh my gosh, right?? 😂 I've been avoiding them (afraid of the rabbit hole) yet I'm perfectly happy listening to my favorite radio talk shows. I can't get lost in the radio show as a rabbit hole because it eventually ends and something else comes on.
I'm a liberal on the political spectrum, but I listen to (some of) Rogan's podcasts because he's a great interviewer. But I've intentionally avoided most of his politician interviews, with a few exceptions (like Bernie). I'm disappointed Kamala didn't appear on his show. I can't remember the reason why, and maybe an invitation was never offered, but I think it could have gone a long way to help her win the election.
What’s so stupid about these two? Is they miss the elephant in the room which is Kamala Harris can’t hold a conversation. Therefore couldn’t go on a podcast therefore lost the election. These two didn’t notice that.
Although The Jimmy Kimmel Show's person-in-the-street interviews on politics, science, history and other topics are hilarious, they are sad proof that idiocracy is here.
The problem is that Joe Rogan does not fact check. He seems to accept the absurd as fact, as if he were suspending belief to enjoy a movie. He went through an entire interview with Trump without challenging his obvious barrage of lies. As an example, there was no challenge to the fact that tariffs are not paid by China. It was low hanging fruit. All of the consequences of tariffs, like the foreign policy upheaval with trading partners, domestic tax policy and economy were left unexplored. Everyone left the interview feeling better, Trump, Rogan, the ill-informed audience… lots of words spoken, nothing important or even true was said. Yes, a three hour conversation can be long enough to get to know a person and the things that matter to them. It make one feel comfortable with that person as if they know them personally. The reality is that they don’t know them and people in the public eye tend to be able to misdirect and manipulate. That is why important things like elections and candidates are best met with challenging skepticism. We are all much worse off because Joe Rogan is willing to be everybody’s bro.
Rogan's purpose was not to debate him, and Jamie fact checks regularly, multiple times per episode. Also. the tariffs Trump talks about are reciprocal to what those nations already impose on OUR trade goods. Things like 50% tariffs on american cars in Germany, 100% tariffs on american products in china, etc. You are mad at your own ignorance on economics and global trade, not Trump.
It's so sad that most of this country picks a leader based on which candidate they would most like to have a beer with but the candidate they picked hates beer and who doesn't give a shit about them except for how much money he could swindle from them.
Have these Candace and Joe listeners check out when Joe interviewed Candace and see how they rectify that in their minds. She did not do well and Joe actually called her out on her bullshit. Of course, this was back when Joe was more of a reasonable person who would actually push back, instead of allowing a conservative to just outright lie, knowing they weren't going to get called out. Joe claimed that Tim Walz wasn't honest and that was a dealbreaker. Does Joe prefer his liars more brazen and prolific, because that's the ONLY way he could rationalize supporting Trump and company. Something he avoided doing for the lion's share of a DECADE, btw, because he said he wasn't looking to amplify their bullshit message.
A woman at work and I were talking about that New York marine who used a chokehold to kill a schizophrenic man who was threatening commuters. It’s a complex story but she was incensed he would be charged at all by woke progressive prosecutors. I mentioned that the medical examiner said the chokehold killed the guy after everyone had left the train and he was unconscious so certainly a jury should weigh it all and decide. She immediately started laughing loudly and publically and saying SO! YOU must listen to CNN and MSNBC! The Corine said he died from drugs!!! I said, I think that was a defense witness. Again, that’s why a jury decides. She yelled BI IT WAS THE CORONER! Where do you get your false information??? I said, well we could just look up the court records, I expect. She said, like you guys care about that. I just shook my head and gave up. Her feelings were so much stronger than the information and the media part of the conversation was so disingenuous.
I appreciate that you tried. There is a young Podcaster on Meidas Touch. I can't think of his name. But he speaks with Trump voters and sometimes gets them to see things differently. It's fascinating
The drugs were the cause of death. Probably exacerbated by the situation in which other passengers had to be protected from the crazed and dangerous lunatic. It's an unfortunate thing, but the man protecting his fellow citizens did not commit a crime.
I work with people who are still to this day wearing masks. They have helped to lessen the spreading of germs. For anyone who thinks otherwise, you're mistaken. One of my masking coworkers has been sick only once since covid started, and that was a few months ago. We work in a fairly crowded retail germ farm. Illnesses come through the company but the few that are still putting up with wearing the masks tend to avoid getting sick at all.
Some clinics and hospitals and work places. I saw a guy at the med clinic the other day and he had to have a note he was over Covid so he could return to work. Shout, I don't even have tests anymore. If I'm sick, then I'm sick. He flu can be worse. I through up for an entire week. Time to realize, it's like the flu.
exactly, the weirdest part about that whole line of thinking is the fact that surgeons in operating rooms have been wearing masks for decades and decades before the pandemic, but when it comes to a mandate for the public to do the same thing for the exact same reasons, to halt the spread of germs, THEN people object
I’m a democrat but I find myself listening to the Bulwark podcasters more than others. I think it’s due to the fact that as former Republicans, you guys provide a more balanced view of politics as a whole!
@@karleells6540 Democrats care about the common people, Republicans only care about corporations/billionaires. Only Democrats propose useful laws. And Republicans do not know how to govern, this has been proven many times.
As a former Preschool Teacher, who also subbed a lot in elementary schools, there is a big piece of this people are overlooking regarding Covid. BEFORE the pandemic the field of education was way understaffed. Many classrooms were being taught by long term subs. In addition, many educators are mid age or closer to retirement. Also, I do not know why, but many educators struggle with health issues. There are so many of us who battle autoimmune conditions. You put ALL of these aspects together, the administrators were not closing schools to prevent kids from getting sick, but not to kill off the already dwindling teacher pool they had. Who do you know now a days that choose to go into education? Honestly, it is not a money making career. They had to protect the workforce.
@@PattySmith-v9f not a money making career? Teaching is the third most common profession of American millionaires behind engineering and accounting. Source : 2018 book “Everyday millionaire”
I tried to listen to Rogan two or three times, but had to stop it each time after 10 minutes due to his obvious tilted world view and conspiracy theory peddling. Why so many people don’t pick up on this is a mystery to me
None of these people are taking the time to evaluate what Trump did the first time. Too much emphasis on feelings not much on facts. This I attribute to social media.
Whenever I listen to these focus groups, I shudder for the future of our country.
Sometimes I can't listen. It's just too depressing.
I've never been prouder to be American
MAGA isn't going anywhere
This is Trump's America
We are definitely circling the drain . The rot is too deep to come back.
They are conspiracy theorists-lite.
@@inrainbows1829 please feel free to be proud as you watch the smoldering husk of a once strong society limp and wheeze through its subservience to foreign powers bc of ignorant, unserious, and selfish policies like this. Remember over a million people does bc of maga. Let’s check back to see how proud you are of the tragic trash heap this admin creates.
As someone who ran a medical clinic during COVID and had to fight the misinformation every single day for 4 years, I want to say that we absolutely did our very best in a situation none of us had been through before. We were learning as we went. I'm so tired of hearing these bullshit conspiracy theories and unscientific people thinking they know better than the experts. These people are why doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals are quitting en mass.
I agree with you completely. It blows my mind that people still think Covid wasn’t that bad and we went through lockdowns and precautions for no good reason. A million Americans died! How is that being dismissed? Why is it so hard to understand what novel virus means? It’s obvious to me that scientists and medical professionals did the best they could understand very stressful situations. Every time new information came out these people call it lies, like WTF? It’s so frustrating. Also thank you. Without people like you so many more would’ve died and I appreciate your hard work and sacrifice.
That's so sad. Americans need to respect their Doctors and caregivers more.
It's funny how Republican voters think Democrats are arrogant while they believe their 2 minutes of "research" and a few podcasts are better than 10,000 doctors.
Thank you for taking care of us.
Yes. Thank you for taking care of us.
"Question everything" is fine. The problem is that these people are NOT questioning contrarian ideas at all. If it is contrarian and conspiracy leaning, they accept it without question.
@@erichert1001 people tend to want to listen to ideas that support their own views rather than challenging themselves. It is a human tendency that has taken over and become dangerous because of all the media that we are now exposed to. And the algorithms support this by feeding you the “news” that you are drawn to
Bingo.
Correct. They like how "honest and authentic and genuine" the guests sound. Sure, honestly authentically genuinely horrible!
Bingo. What’s the old saying about if you stand for nothing you fall for everything? You see that a lot in these types of folks (The conspiracy theorists not Rogan viewers generally).
@@swang2489 The average person was previously apolitical and didn't have any coherent views. They just had this vague sense that the "establishment" was untrustworthy (thanks to Fox News) and so they latched on to all these other hacks out there.
It is pretty sad when people hate the guy who tried to save their lives and love the guy who didn't give a shit.
Like when fauci lied about gain of function.
Who tried to save our lives?
@@TerryNagle07 well that would be Biden can company and the other would be Trump. Please try to follow along.
@@edwardyazinski3858 , You literally gave him\her nothing to go on. Unless the answer was in the podcast, and then it's possible Terry didn't listen to the whole podcast, in which case Terry may be only responding to your lone statement.
My thoughts exactly.
I am not a college educated voter. I am an informed lower middle class Democratic voter. Please don’t pool all democrats into one snobby view. That is an insult to hard working non-college Americans. You make it sound like college people are the only ones who can make a sound decision. Not cool.
True
I don't think they are I think they are just presenting the numbers of course there are non college degreed folks that voted dem and reverse too where educated folks still voted for him but you can't ignore the numbers, Non educated people want for that guy and college educated people bent more for her in larger numbers. Not a dig just stats.
@@Christi-z3k totally agree. Not enough people saying this.
True!
I have a BS in Chemical Engineering and MSs is Math and Physics, but the smartest guy I know never graduated from high school and worked for AT&T designing networks for 40 years.
It comes back to people being blatantly childish and saying “you’re not my dad, you can’t tell me what to do”. That’s it, people are that selfish and simple.
I think that people feel powerless (mostly because they aren't well educated) and anti-establishment contrarianism is a way to reclaim some of that power. It isn't logical, but it makes sense from a certain vantage point. Idiots like Trump are a vicar for this mindset because they openly challenge the establishment narratives, even if they do so in absolutely dishonest ways or for self serving purposes. This anti-establishment rhetoric is the foundation of a new political landscape. Like you, I find it to be pretty adolescent by nature, but we can't deny how pervasive it has become.
Yet they're excited to call trump their daddy
Yeah. The whole time listening to those clips, I was thinking “These people are so infantilized - can’t use critical thinking to analyze situations, don’t go deeper than the surface but also are reflexively skeptical of actual expert sources.”
That is so correct. Robt. DeNiro gave his opinion of Trump and Trump voters are so enraged bc "He can't tell us what to do." They're rebelling against him as if he's their dad, and could make them do what he wants. They're so angry and they think the reason is obvious.
By offering his opinion, DeNiro "insulted and patronized them." It's unforgivable. Same with George Clooney.
The assumption they instantly, make- encouraged by instant-websites that tell them so-- is that those anti-Trump celebrities will find they've destroyed their careers! Because they criticized Trump and Trump-- being the president-- will finish them off?? Or because these Trump voters themselves now hate these actors, the actors will never get another job bc they'll have been shunned by honest Trump voters. Websites show DeNiro 'crying' and George Clooney also 'crying.' Also shows them "enraged, having just heard he's lost ten million dollars," or, been "fired from Warner Bros. Studio." Don't tell them it isn't so. Google is unaffected by this-- google is priceless, imho.
But it must be the babyish whining of Trump that created it. Blaming other guys.
What people do not understand during COVID is that without masking, hand washing and distancing is this: we were dealing with a virus that was spreading around the world and dealing the best we could. As a professional that worked in a hospital if we would have lost 20% of our workers to COVID it would have led to deaths of people with all other health conditions because of the loss of staff. People are so short sighted and think of only their experience. There were many variables that we had to think about at a time when information was not available.
Thank you for being there when you were most needed. ❤
A horrifying number of people were, in fact, oblivious to all of this. Unfortunately, many of them would've rationalized continuing to shun commonsense measures like masking, hand washing, and social distancing because their ignorance and defiance come from the same place.
I think many may have understood this, but their tribalism instincts are stronger.
It distresses me when people dismiss the masking and distancing as if people weren’t becoming violently ill and/or dying at an alarming rate. I live in Queens, NY and I lost friends to Covid, and saw many more become painfully ill. I can only imagine how difficult it was for medical workers (particularly RNs) to try and stem this death march daily while also trying not to get sick themselves. People living in states where it wasn’t spreading as far or as quickly don’t get it.
Yes, exactly. And THANK YOU, Laura.
Listening to many of these people makes me want to scream at my phone in frustration. But still, it's good to know what misinformation is floating around out there, and how much people are believing. Thank you, Sarah, for working hard to bring us the unvarnished truth, no matter how hard it is to hear...
The first right-wing conservative podcast wasn't really a podcast. It was a radio program hosted by Rush Limbaugh. As a reformed 'ditto head' that's where we started going wrong.
My dad was a ditto head. I remember hearing him call Chelsea a dog. Chelsea and I are the same age. I also remember him calling breastfeeding fornication. When I was 12, I knew I was not a Republican.
Not quite. It was the way Reagan allowed right-wing billionaires to get a monopoly of the radio spectrum over most of the nation so they could put up Limbaugh as a hero to spread their lies. The model worked so well they then took over the television and cable spaces. Now, they own the internet.
Agreed - Rush was the WORST! And everyone following has tried to be even worse than the ORIGINAL PAID LIAR.
Rush Limbaugh was not the first right-wing radio host but he was the first good one
Yes, Limbaugh spread misogyny; my oldest son was a traveling salesman, and listened to his show constantly. To my son, his sister and I became “feminazis”.
I want to push back, Sarah, about what you said about dems capitulating to teachers who did not want to get right back to school during Covid. As a teacher, it drove me crazy that so many were ONLY concerned about the kids (who seemed to be at less risk for Covid) and couldn't care less about teachers who might have co-morbidities or be older or otherwise vulnerable to Covid. PLEASE! It's hard enough to be a teacher.
Exactly! It's still shocking and disheartening to hear how some people are so flippant about teachers' and school staff members' lives. And the lives of their families, too.
Exactly! A school in my area lost both a teacher and the principal to covid. This wasn't just about the lives of the kids!
I think its ok to listen to podcast but people should have critical thinking skills. News is news, report the news as it is and avoid the view point views based on political leaning and let people use their critical thinking skills to deduce fake from fact. You are also sitting here saying Kamala Harris interview with Dana was fake. How was it fake? Is it fake if she knows she’ll be ask about certain issues without being given questions so she can prep for the interview, how is that fake.
I agree. My husband and I are older educators, and I have a heart condition. It was demoralizing to hear that I was putting my own health concerns over my students.
Respect 👍
I used to listen to Rogan often. However, when he was attacked (mostly wrongly) over his stance on Covid, he changed for the worse and the change has become utterly ridiculous.
The worst example is when he explained that he could not vote for Harris because Tim Walz was "a liar".
If lying was the criteria, Trump would literally be the last American he could consider. It is stupid on its face and no one should put up with that kind of behavior from a person they seek to be informed by.
So you end up siding with those who you admit wrongfully attacked him?
@@MiltonmilfredRogan is boring mediocre garbage. I’m always bored with him and most of the conservative podcasters that have no idea how governing works.
@@Miltonmilfred I am working on it coming out before Christmas. The Ukrainian War will end on the 24th of December if my plans go through. I am a Swedish diplomat and I have worked on this peace deal for five months through a organisation called The Young Patricians.
I think this is the problem with the Democratic Party
They always go after people if they step out of line in terms of some views while not realising people are complicated and not everyone will agree with everything. Republicans are way better at accepting "Rebel type" people in their party. I mean Musk Rogan RFK Tulsi and even Trump were all Dems at some point
@@KonigGustavAdolphnot what she said genius
The guy saying Tucker Carlson is one of his favorites and he likes to stay informed doesn't understand how crazy that sounds.
True...& to be expected.
Like a judge once said: (slightly paraphrased): "No reasonable person would take Tucker Carlson's words seriously". ("REASONABLE" being the operative word).
My takeaway from Covid is that the general public could not understand watching science and medicine happen in real time. When new information would be released or they would change recommendations, it was interpreted as the science community was lying rather than they were learning. Add misinformation on top of that and it was the perfect storm.
Its so frustrating, they dont see that wearing masks didn't hurt them, staying six feet away, didn't hurt them, basic hygiene.. didn't hurt them.. but the contrary did.
That’s exactly correct. That anyone could go after Dr. Falchi blows my mind. New disease, we do the best we can and learn as we go.
The same cohort of Fauci approved scientists who got all the publicity at the start of Covid to push the line that natural origins was virtually certain, and that Lab-leak was a conspiracy theory, are STILL pretending that is the case. The highest profile scientists lied non-stop, and are continuing to do so.
They did lie. They did make up. They knew the six feet away, wear a mask, ideology had nothing to do with science.
I found that people didn’t think ahead with regards to how frustrating it must’ve been for those scientists and doctors who had to tell people, this is safe knowing full well that more than likely it is for hundreds of thousands of people however, the scientists didn’t have years and years of controlled groups to make sure that they knew every side effect you could get. Have you ever listened to the Americans when they advertise their drugs on TV by the time they finish telling us what could happen to you if you take the drug I’m beginning to think I’d rather live with the disease and yes people will take those drugs.
I give you all so much credit for listening to all of these people without shouting and pulling your hair out. I'm sitting here watching with my head in my hands and a sore throat from yelling.
Why aren’t you curious about another American who has a different point of view, then you do. If you don’t know people that think this way, then you are living in an echo chamber that does not serve you. The fact that you want to pull your hair out, rather than wanting to understand the lived experience of these people says more about you, than it does about them. You are sheltered and isolated and therefore do not have a true grasp of reality.
@M.CarmenPaz You have some interesting insights and judgements for someone I've never met or talked to before. Where did you get your degree in psychology?
@@M.CarmenPaz This is a typical MAGA answer. I hear it all the time from them.
@@M.CarmenPazyou "people" are insufferable
@@M.CarmenPazTHIS!!!! This is the only reason I listen to this podcast. I think it's painful but it's important for me to try to understand both sides and try to be well informed.
I have a son who lives in Singapore. He called me in Dec 2019 and asked me "is everyone ok?" He said how worried he's been since covid 19! I had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. He told me "Trump knows about it for sure!" HE told me how bad it is. Trump didn't say anything about it till March, then he downplayed it. 😢😢
Do you think Trump down played it to stop mass chaos. The hoarders within the stores. The hate towards non jabbers. To keep the economy, businesses going. In my state we locked down for one month. No one knew what was happening. No president ever dealt with a plandemic.
Covid had to book a flight to America trump thought
I contracted COVID during a layover in NYC in February of 2020. Almost 6 weeks later after 3 weeks of agonizing OTC remedies, I discovered that Trump's administration had warnings and did nothing to inform or protect . The nightmare continues...
...and they still voted for him. I think this is about greed. Some of the best trading happened during Covid
@FeliciaJackson-yi1qs Certainly the grocery prices have continued rising.
So we’re in this situation because people can’t make friends? Oh lord. People have messed up their reality because of virtual reality.
My mother lives with my Fox loving brother and his anti vax wife. I live half a country away, but am the oldest, so responsible. I believed in the Covid vaccine and got my progeny vaccinated. Of course my 88 yr old mother and the others in that house were not vaccinated and Covid hit them all. My mom survived barely, and while my brother and his wife got pretty sick, they survived. While my mom was between life and death in the hospital, I had to deal with hospital and make the hard choices. My brother was too sick to deal . My mom lost her vitality but survived. Three years later, and I can’t forgive Trump and my sibling’s family for saturation of Fox misinformation that colored my elderly mother’s viewpoint and endangered her.
Covid was the turning point for me. I voted or Trump in 2016, by 2018, I regretted my vote, and at the end of Dec 2019, I got Covid. His handling of Covid, his lies, I was finished with the man. And then his January event made me really dislike him. I'm a Reagan Republican and feel very confident Reagan would never have allowed Jan 6th to go on without trying to stop it. Reagan would have handled Covid as the leader of a nation, not some school yard bully as Trump.
very sad...elections have consequences.
As an early middle aged man with octagenarian parents, covid nonchalance and mRNA conspiracy theories was the part where I finally shut off from trying to break bread with social conservatives. I just can't with people who deny the medical efficacy of social distancing, and vaccination at the national level. Socially sanctioned killing in the public space because our culture is so hyperindividualistic that not coughing on the immunocompromised, or considering the wilful transmission of upper respiratory viruses in public a god given right because of the plausible deniability behind coughing/exhaling in public? This country is cooked.
It sounds like you made this up. It sounds fake.
@@urdrwho1 Reagan was terrible. Republican Presidents sucked. Except Lincoln, things went 180, after Reconstruction.
Sarah and Tim. Regarding COVID, you mentioned, "maybe this has something to do with being in the U.S." I think you are quite right. Yours is an ethnocentric culture. If you looked around the world others were masking, social distancing, closing schools or enforcing strict sanitary rules (like Korea) and no one complained about it or felt a conspiracy was afoot. They were following the information given to them by learned scientists who were doing the best they could to keep people alive. Masking, vaccines, social distancing did not become a political issue. It was a health issue. What is wrong with your country that you don't look outward instead of inward?
In the us most ppl are pretty isolated. Even New York has de facto segregated areas. So your community is your family and some friends and not really your neighbors
This💯🥂
How is that ethnocentric? By the way, Korea, Japan, China and other east Asian countries are insanely ethnocentric.
Bingo. Having been born, raised, and schooled here, I’ve seen a growing national ethos of arrogance and ignorance, ala the “Republic of Me, and Only Me!” Of course there are millions of self-aware folks, who defy this trend, but the propaganda machinery runs strong and has been feeding this ethos since the Gingrich Revolution of the early 90s. I agree that lots and lots of Americans are spoiled and bored, which might explain their deep conspiracy immersion and lack of outward focus.
Thank you! 🙏🕊️✌️💖
I’m actually shocked how easily people are manipulated by grifters and conmen
The Bulwark ARE the grifters and conmen. Look at the episodes before the election, they weren't informed on what was going on.
I don’t know how old y’all are, but I’m a mid-20s guy. I can’t help but feel like the older generation that taught me how to look out for danger and keep those around me safe just seemed to completely forget those teachings as they got older. My parents are devout MAGA voters, despite the fact that I oppose Trump because of who they raised me to be.
Like the ones at The Bulwark?
@@donnale3881 No bigger grift than the Bulwark
@ImortalZeus13 Be sure to give your parents a hug and tell em how much you love them, Mortal Zeus. They are obviously STILL looking out for you but are sadly confused that you didn't appear to learn some of the life lessons they attempted to teach you 😉
I once (in 2007) had an exam question in music school about the increasing availability of music and more choice, and what would be the effect, and I said that we would actually listen to less varied music because when we look for new music and are overwhelmed by choice, we go for what is most like the music we already know. I think the same applies to all of this media.
You hit the nail on the head... we react to overload with discrimination but we can't calibrate our discrimination so we follow our feelings. It's in a book called "Thinking Fast and Slow" that got pretty famous in early 2010's. Explains the split screen media and ridiculous spinning we are suffering from.
The cloth masks reduced exposure by about 50%, compared to N95 which reduce exposure by 99%. The cloth masks were all that was available , and were better than nothing. Kids are a different story but, Iwas a Nurse Practitioner and have many healthcare workers and MD's in my family. I'm on disability and had to completely quarantine for over 2 years due to other illnesses I have. So I sewed masks. Being scientifically minded I read as new information came out and modified the design as new info was available. Donald screwed everything up. I could go on, this was a very strange bug. My brother is an MD in RI he took care of many, many sick and dying people. He told me he had never seen anything like this virus, with lung, renal, and it was the virus causing blood clots, not vaccines. Most of that no longer happens with how the virus has mutated.
I read about the possibilty of a pandemic since 2000. Several times a year medical and nursing journals would have articles about how we were overdue for a pandemic. They speculate about which pathogen would cause it, bird flu(I THINK IS THE SCARIEST) west Nile, Influenza. That is why Barack Obama had a committee to address it. Back in 2007 the government was stock piling Tamiflu in case we had a pandemic. This was no surprise. Covid was a brand new bug we knew nothing about. It had very idiosynchratic effects. and we did have to learn as we went along. THAT IS HOW MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE WORKS! WITH A NOVEL ORGANISM IT TAKES YEARS TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTS. THE SPEED THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT AND DEVELOPED A VACCINE FOR COVID WAS HISTORIC.
I'm sure it didn't feel that way and it is frustrating but we cannot know everything about a completely new pathogen instantly. That's why we have pandemics. It is no one's fault. It is how this works.
Exactly!
Thank you for bringing this up. There is SO MUCH missing context from all of these "anti mask" talking points. Remember, we had A SHORTAGE OF MASKS, so the next best alternative was a cloth mask, which was more effective than no mask. It wasn't ideal, but it was what we had. So, when people make these hyperbolic claims that the CDC was spreading misinformation and telling everyone that cloth masks were effective, they are almost always missing extremely vital context.
And the speed of that vaccine development was due to several factors that everyone seems to conveniently ignore: 1) The Genome for the Covid virus was mapped all the way back in 2019 BEFORE it hit the US. 2) The ENTIRE WORLD was collaborating on how to fight this. From the UN in april of 2020: ‘....intensified international cooperation to contain, mitigate, and defeat the pandemic, including by exchanging information, scientific knowledge, and best practices and by applying the relevant guidelines recommended by the World Health Organization.’ This proposal was supported by more than 100 countries. This means that there were dedicated efforts to share scientific findings and data. This is almost unheard of at this level for any globally cooperative initiative. Of COURSE this would produce faster results. 3) There were MILLIONS of case studies that could be used in vaccine development. 4) MRNA tech is significantly faster than normal vaccination tech (there is no viral incubation in chicken eggs for one), so the development window was WAY shorter. The reason it hadn't been used is because MRNA tech is extremely expensive (hence the $10 billion Trump handed over to moderna and pfizer).
If you can’t seal the mask it’s worthless. If you dont have the mask sealed and the proper filter it’s worthless. There is actually a science to mask. I did design work on the army’s decontamination units and had to study the requirements. Whoever it was that advised washing your hands was probably the best advice in the comments.
this isn't science; this is indoctrination and propaganda. You're conveniently leaving out the pathogen's gain of function origin, in a lab, where it was actively being manipulated and studied. They had years of knowledge already.
As a retired 70 year old I used to watch the evening news and read local newspaper everyday . The local newspaper you get very little of the story in print then need to go online to read the rest so you need internet. Cable TV prices are crazy expensive and the local channels and news channels are not included in basic plan so I was left with the decision tv or internet. Obviously I need the internet more than tv so with that I use ROKU for tv and listen to programs like yours and others for news.
Thank you for keeping this old lady informed
We went stratght-up "internet" about 20 years ago. We switch over to broadcast (uhf antenna) for local & national news since it does not cost anything. As cable TV becomes increasingly less profitable; the majors are going to be selling you less for more money.
Ditch cable. I have RUclips on my Roku for independent news .
I have been saying this forever! In rural America news on your smart TVs consists of 8 different Fox channels and a few others and all the right wings. Who is spending $100 plus a month on cable?
In our late 70s, we cut cable 14 years ago, got a good antenna and watched local and national news three times a day. We read The Week news magazine for more in-depth balanced reporting. With the unbalanced bashing of Biden in July and editing of Trump's dribble we stopped watching. We switched to the Bulwark and Meidas Touch. When Trump won, we canceled The Week. We write to our senators and congressional rep, done it for years and will continue. Education must improve.
I am almost an exact duplicate of your comment , the only difference is that I am 78.
So glad I'm not a pollster. These people were just painful to listen to. Especially the ones who talked about not really caring about the crappy things Don-old Grump has done. "Because they don't really know what to believe." How can anybody with two brain cells to knock together have watched what happened on January 6th, and say something so outlandish?!!! I fear for this country, and not just because of the incoming administration. When I listen to things like this I sometimes wonder if American people can actually handle the freedom of a democracy. And that thought both pains me and scares the hell out of me.
Me too. Well said. If people bring about their own downfall then oh well. Unfortunately we have to go down with them.
@@professionaldogtrainer968 Amen!!!
You have no idea what really happened on Jan 6.
Stupid or evil, they're one or the other as far as I'm concerned.
I feel your fear for the country. Especially when people have video and audio of crimes and still don't know what to believe.
The problem with mainstream or legacy media, especially Sinclair Broadcasting, is the lack of independent reporting in local news. Their broadcasts are often scripted word-for-word across all their stations, no matter the location. You could play a Sinclair station from one state and compare it to one on the opposite side of the country, and you'd hear the exact same script. This uniformity undermines local journalism and raises serious concerns about media bias and the spread of propaganda.
I think that's why podcasts are more favorable 💙🇺🇸💙💙
I’m an American retiree living in Italy. I no longer watch American TV news except the Newshour. I am a Democrat who is also a Never Trumper. I subscribe to the NYTimes and, before this recent election, to the Washington Post, which I cancelled when Bezos forced the paper not to back a candidate. I will probably subscribe to the Atlantic as a replacement. I now get most of my news online as well as international news sources. That being said, I’m very careful to whom I listen. I want to listen to real experts, historians, bone fide political scientists, etc.. I also like the longer format. Finally, let me admit that I knew Trump in New York in the early 70s. He was an outcast and considered the epitome of vulgarity and sleaze. I was such a never Trumper that I went to my nearest consulate to vote. I had had recent knee surgery and traveled all the way to Florence on crutches/ wheelchair. In short, as an expat, I no longer understand my compatriots. I voted for Kamala, but would have voted for anyone who ran against him - even Bozo the Clown! I may no longer live in the States, but I will always love my country of birth. Sadly, I feel nothing but despair since Trump’s re-election.
Well said. I too feel nothing but despair. DEMOCRAT IN Maryland
Yes, agree 💯 Asked my Doctor to increase my antidepressant prescription.
I also would have voted for a cartoon character if they were running against trump.
I live in the USA still, for now, but echo your feelings about news. I want to get real news, its becoming difficult. I listen to a few podcasts, I don't take any of them for a news source. Tho I subscribe to NYT also, I also subscribe to Tangle and to the digital Denver Post. I'm very disappointed in MSNBC as a legit news source. When I worked a night shift I listened mainly to BBC. I found BBC did more world news - I followed the terrible downfall of Belarus, a day at a time. Those things are a useful lesson.
How educated on the personal details are Voters Abroad?
Are they, a conscientious group of voters? In WI, we vote four times a year now. GOP here is trying to wear us out! And that, sadly, is working.
The glaring issue with people using podcasts for news is that there is no standard for truth/reality with most of them.
The problem is there isn't on legacy media either. They either lie or use partial truths to support whichever side lines their pockets.
And no accountability when they get anything wrong. When they're saying what the listener wants to hear they're vaunted, relatable truth-tellers, when they screw up they're just some guy and 'who cares what they think?'.
So there were WMDs in Iraq?
There is no standard of truth at news stations like CNN or MSNBC either. ABC (George Stepanopolis) just lost a lawsuit to Trump for repeatedly (approximately 10 times) lying about Trump during an interview. They had to pay $15 million plus approximately $1 million for Trump's legal fees. NYT, Washington Post, and others lied for years about Biden's physical and mental problems. It is a wonder why anyone believes anything these companies peddle anymore.
You do realize thats how life works in general, right?
Sarah, I really like that you’re doing these focus groups. Thank you!
While informative, and hopefully helpful, it is also both absolutely terrifying and depressing. lol
@@jonv1776 It is terrifying to think that people consider Rogan and Owens as a news source.
Yes thank you for distilling them for us bc I would go insane if I had to listen to them as much as you do
@@urdrwho1 The same could be said of the Saturday Night Live News segment or the Daily Show. The Left has been doing the same thing for a long time. At least the form of the show is the same. The Left generally stuck to factual stuff until Conservatism got to SNL and they began to be the same kind of drivel as the internet.
Yes!!! Thank you Sarah! I wd go stark raving mad… but the information you bring to us is critical to know… Merry Christmas to you and Tim and your families!!! ❤❤❤
When an out-of-control wildfire strikes here in Northern California, where I live, the first question that comes to everyone’s mind is: Who started it? Wildfires that occur naturally don’t tend to blow up in the way arson does.
You could ask the same question about some of the inane comments your focus-group members provided. Who concocted the brew of ad hominem attacks, misdirection, victimization, and retribution that have appeared to swallow, as reflected in what is certainly not their thinking, but instead their tidy, pre-packaged, knee-jerk reactions to reality?
You won’t figure this out by giving these people credit for independent thought. The root of the problem does not lie there. You would do better to crack open your old copies of “1984” and “Brave New World,” because there at least you’ll find a diagnosis for what you are seeing.
Our society is in the throes of an induced mass psychosis. It is both less explicable through the means you are choosing to do so, and far more virulent and malignant than even you are giving it credit for. JVL is the only one on your team who seems to understand this. You are staring into the face of evil; and that face is laughing at you.
We are screwed. Listening to the voters talk about Kash Patel. We are seriously screwed.
What are your specific problems with Patel? I have listened to about a dozen hours of him talking on various podcasts and agree with like 90% of what he has to say. Dude knows where the bodies are buried and has the balls to dig them up. Exactly what is needed.
@@Pyro8285 Huh?
@@Pyro8285 Kash Patel is a lying partisan hack, that's what's wrong with him.
@@Pyro8285 they don't like him because they are told to not like him.
Most people can't think for themselves.
@@shakesphere622that describes people who watch CNN and channels like this tbh. The media puts up these fake narratives and labels people as “racist” or bad without any evidence. I trust Rogan 100x more than CNN
Teacher daughter lost colleagues during COVID. Lost kids, kids lost parents, grandparents. We did the best we could with what we had at the time. They are unreasonable.
And lives were saved because of the measures. I find the Bulwark reducing the enormity of it irresponsible as it's not true that children couldn't die from it, and doctors also think covid triggered genes in some children to make them type 1 diabetic. Lots of long covid too.
The cloth masks were not what medical professionals would wear hence their negative views. I have a sister who is a teacher and when classrooms were reopened but before the N95 was available she said it was the first time she didn’t get her annual bout of bronchitis, or even a cold and said she might wear it forever. (Didn’t.)
The cloth masks worked fine for our family. As a nurse, the 1st thing I did was give my family an intense lesson in Universal Precautions. Practice good hand sanitation & mask placement. Wearing your mask with your nose exposed is as effective as putting a diaper on a babies knees.
Assume every person you meet has it & every surface you touched is contaminated.
Periodically throughout the day, while away from people & public areas, spray your mask with Isopropyl alcohol.
The ONLY one in our family that caught it, not once but twice, was our tween that had no choice but go back & forth between our home & her father's. Her father & stepmother are Ultra MAGA. They followed none of the regulations.
Even then & even though we live in a small beach cottage that makes quarantining impossible, the rest of us didn't catch it because everytime I entered her room to take care of her I did everything exactly as I would entering any quarantined patient's room at work. After years of working with patients that have no immune system, my family has long been aware that there is a ripple effect of what they expose mom to is what mom exposes her patients to. So thinking of others for them was never an issue. It was a concern for our daughter when she came home from dad's. I hate that she had to go through that but I love that she showed compassion for others.
And it wasn't lost on us that the very same people running around screaming they are the true patriots, are the very same people who showed our enemies that all they have to do is create a bio weapon & release it here, Americans will take themselves out.
My universal precaution training in the hospital also kept my family safe. At least we know these "do your own research" folks won't be bothering us when they have cancer or a heart attack, right?
I worked in the Microbiology lab as a Medical Technologist for most of the pandemic until I retired at the beginning of 2023. I tested Covid/Flu/RSV and other Respiratory viruses in great quantities day in and day out. I wore cloth masks/paper masks/N95/K95 and social distanced AND I was fully vaccinated and boosted every time it was available. In that amount of time, I saw a HUGE decrease in FLU/RSV and to this day I've never had Covid. I hated all the dis/misinformation that circulated constantly, and I blame Trump for not steering the entire country in the right direction. He has many deaths on his hands IMO.
"And it wasn't lost on us that the very same people running around screaming they are the true patriots, are the very same people who showed our enemies that all they have to do is create a bio weapon & release it here, Americans will take themselves out." Holy Shit, you nailed it there.
Some of his supporters claimed that Trump shouldn't be blamed for COVID because " it was a weapon created by CHI-NAH". Not his fault. Don't blame him. But that actually makes how he handled it even worse.
The ONE thing the President is unequivocally responsible for is to protect & defend American citizens from attacks made by foreign & domestic enemies. If an enemy attacked this country with a bio-weapon, he should have immediately found ways to protect it's citizens. He didn't. From the first day he announced the COVID threat, he lied about it; then continued to lie, prevaricate & BS for years afterwards to protect his own interests.
It would be like FDR sulking about the attack on Pearl Harbor and refusing to come up with a response, because it was JAP-AN-EESE airplanes that dropped the bombs.
If masks work for viruses, why haven’t we used them for the past century every flu season? I’ve never seen any reputable study that proves they work.
I was working full time in the hospital, as an RN during Covid. Universal precautions were the nonstop goal. I never got COVID and still have never contracted it. I do believe in vaccines.
People hang out with their “friends”on Facebook….They forget that the contacts on social media are not true friends.
Sarah, how do you listen to these focus groups for a living without losing your mind? I’ve snatched myself bald in frustration with just these snippets.
The problem is that this is how the Dems have been treating these people, too. Yes, some of the opinions are out there, but the common thread is a lack of trust in the government, in the media, and they need their politicians to be humanized, not political robots.
If Dems can put a concerted effort into restoring confidence, avoid mainstream media until they can figure out how to fix their perception issue, and show people that they are people like them, they will come back strong.
@@JoBo52 Agreed. And while it is frustrating to talk to folks whose votes are driven by completely false and/or irrational reasons, I think we do not pay enough attention to the impact of simple *diction*. Over and over, Trump is criticized for the one thing his supporters say make them trust and like him: his 1970's teenage level phrasing. This goes beyond plain-speak. Tim Walz is perhaps one of the better examples of how to do this sans the lies, insults and name calling.
Listening to focus groups is more triggering than a convention floor full of mousetraps going off.
I’m sayin’ I have to stop listening to this one I think because it just enrages me every week, they’re either awful people or their complete idiots just like on Twitter ….Twitter in real life is what this focus group is like
That's too bad your presidents have been selling you out for decades. There was only an illusion of choice until 2016
World leaders need to insist on speaking to the real president, Tesla stock depends on it!😂😂😂
@@candicewilhelm9722 Y'all still have NO CLUE why us men left the democrats and we are NOT GOING BACK 🤣
It really dashes the lie I regularly tell myself that the MAGA weirdos online I deal with couldn't possibly be *that* ridiculous in real life.
even though the kids were less affected, Teachers were just as vulnerable as anyone else and saying your ok with sacrificing them is weird
It really screams entitlement. Some parents seems to think teachers are their, I dunno, slaves? Like their lives are MEANT to be sacrificed for the sake of these parents’ kids.
This segment reinforces how hard making decisions in the face of imperfect information and uncertainty is for most of us. Also how readily we feel anger at those whom we expect to be fully knowledgeable when we’re all facing a novel situation with many unknowns. I had to learn the hard way with cancer how to get through these situations. Now I appreciate this primed me to cope better with the pandemic. It was still so hard and so sad for all the people we lost. Wishing peace and patience to us all during the next year. 😷
Regarding the handling of COVID, I completely agree with you that people like Dr. Fauci were making the best decisions they could for the public, based on the information they had and their experience. If they had done nothing and let the virus run its course, I suspect the criticism would have been much worse. For me, the most frustrating part was turning a public health issue into a political issue. It was inevitable that mistakes would be made. So, they were easy targets for all the Monday morning quarterbacks.
True.Thank you to Dr Fauci🎉💯🇺🇲🗽💙💙❤️💙
@@myguitarsandme insane take
Soooo agree ….
Social media made people delusional about their own intelligence and capabilities. I'll never understand how slow rogan survived prescribing horse paste.
@@BG-fc3emivermectin is the 5th most prescribed human medication in human history. "horse paste"? Its inventor got a nobel prize for creating it. But you call it horse paste because it is also used to treat animals, like 75% of other pharmaceutical medicines.
It’s easy to look back at the pandemic with the knowledge we have today, and point out all of the things we “did wrong”. But the reality is, it took time to study and understand COVID-19. While I hated wearing a mask, and am irritated to know that the cloth mask did little good, I can’t ultimately be upset that we were advised to wear one because it seems things like cloth masks, social distancing and shutdowns were done in an effort to protect people. I’d rather find out later that the cloth mask was a waste of time than find out later that a simple cloth mask could have ended the pandemic sooner and saved additional lives. I’d rather find out later that wiping down my groceries was a silly thing to do than learn later it could have kept my family safer. We simply didn’t know the answers early on, and I don’t think overly cautious safety measures recommended by experts who were guided by historical and scientific data were unwarranted.
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Solid take. Seriously.
The cloth mask was not a waste of time. It was effective at blocking at least 50% of exhaled Covid particles. This, despite the fact that it didn’t protect the wearer much, it did protect others from the wearer.
Man while I agree with this i just wish these professionals came out later and were like yea this was overkill sorry or yea we were wrong here sorry.
Hear, hear!
Really Sarah? It's annoying to you that older and immune compromised teachers didnt want to die of covid? That's a very entitled attitude and typical of republicans. Dems were right. My 3 yr old grand child in the Philippines masked early on and strictly. No one in her preschool class has issues because Filipinos are not entitled and took care of each other and kept it moving.
Yep. Ditto Spain. Grown-ups acting like grown-ups, what a concept!
Agreed. I dislike this one-step analysis which starts and ends with children didn't get as sick. Who works at the schools? Who do the students to him to at the end of the day? The mortality rate of the children is not the point. Preventing the spread of the disease was the point.
Entitlement is owned by libs deary
@@jonathonkircher3403Also, covid does have long term health consequences for kids, e.g.,more diabetes.
Wasn't her finest nor brightest moment. Same goes for her mask statement... someone doesn't understand how airborne viruses work or barriers that decrease their probability of being spread.
I think this country desperately needs to teach critical thinking skills at the high school level. I took a Symbolic Logic class in college and it really helped me to see through people's bullshit arguments, media bias, statistical manipulation, etc. The younger generations seems to have no bullshit detector and just accepts whatever nonsense they hear if it's relayed with confidence.
It’s been removed . That’s what happens when Republicans get on school board. In Texas Abbott didn’t want it taught because it conflicts with religion.
They don’t know what reality is anymore, so their bulltish detector is fine tuned to sleuth mode. They take pride in seeing the “truth” that the (once) majority can’t see. I saw some shorts of great white sharks that a number of people were insisting was AI, like they’ve never seen National Geographic, even though there were videos of how they filmed it. People are high on their own self righteous skepticism.
YES
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!! I always thought that this was fundamental in western education but it's definitely not evident.
Logic conflicts with religion? Who knew? 😉
I am in my 70s. Growing up, there were three networks. You got the same information from each because they took pride in being accurate…. And we counted on that. You chose to watch the one you felt the most admiration for and trust in. We still do that. I watch Brian Tyler Cohen, Keith , the Bulwark….so we still tend to be drawn to presenters who have similar views to ourselves. You guys do a great job…. But I do miss mainstream media with integrity….
I miss that. You could trust the news when we were younger.
I feel like it fell apart with cable and 24 hour TV shows.
The news had an hour a few times a day to tell us what was important. And then later the broadcasting day would be done, you'd hear the tone, then the TV turned to "snow".
Once they needed to fill all of those extra hours AND fight for viewers, the information became gibberish, and extra fearful to try to keep their viewers tuned in.
We could turn on AM radio at night if we had concerns, to see if any emergency broadcast were being made, but it also allowed us all as people to turn ourselves off and go to sleep.
I honestly feel bad for people who've never experienced that.
We were bummed at the end of the broadcast day. I never thought I would miss it SO MUCH.
They were all lefties, too. They lie, just in different ways and about different things. My media diet is a mix of blue and red. That wasn’t available back then.
Because of that, we all had common information sources and all were essentially experiencing the same world. Today, there are thousands of information sources and, therefore, thousands of different worlds that people live in. I would not be surprised if there is a future world in which people study history in which the world collapsed because of too much media, too much input, too much tech and eventually no longer had anything in common at all.
You Boomers are naive. Before TV, people used to get their info from newspapers, magazines, and books, not the idiot box. TV is by far the worst way to "consume" anything, as it is causes passivity.
@@ryanjacobson2508 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. We all read the daily newspapers, listened to radio news, watched tv news, and had many magazine subscriptions. They did NOT contain wildly different information from one another. Some simply went into more depth. We shared a commonality that you clearly are unable to comprehend. Perhaps you need to talk to a few more "boomers" and learn something new yourself.
My mom and aunt were skeptical of the Covid vaccine. They are both dead because of their beliefs.
With RFK Jr, we are going to repeat the whole thing, and it will be even worse.
Sorry to hear that. I nearly lost my best friend, an M.D. who got it from a patient. The public seems to have forgotten what it was like watching people being hauled away in meat freezer trucks on TV.
My condolences for your family. I lost my dad to it as well.
@@danielschaeffer1294tv never lies! Go get a few boosters
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COVID split my entire family apart! My sister in law refused the vaccine and got Covid and gave it to my elderly mother who died from the complications of COVID 😢 My family still remains divided! Thanks to Trump I am not sure my family will ever recover!
I understand the distrust with some of the Covid stuff but then I hear the guy say “like the flu and the survival rate is like 90% so…” The lack of critical thinking with that statement blew my mind. This guy thinks a mortality rate of 10% would be fine and doesn’t bother doing the basic rough math to figure out that would have been at least 11 million deaths in the US alone. Our education system needs help.
That’s what I was thinking too…
Like; a contagious disease with a 10% death rate would be considered crazy dangerous by modern medicine standards.
Well said
You need to age stratify the data.
Under 65yrs its .09%
and of that # 89% had one or more underlying medical conditions
That data does not even take into account the obesity rates
After getting horribly sick from H1N1 in my 20s and having a friend die in her 30s from the flu before COVID , I'll never take flu vaccines for granted ever again.
And, he doesn't factor in all the people that get horribly sick and become seriously affected by it for life. How does not factor in to his "thinking"?
As a nurse who worked in the community, I lost patience who did not have the vaccine to covid. They could have saved their own lives if they had not been fed misinformation about the vaccine.
Joe Biden and even your messiah Rachel Maddow said “if you get the vaccine you will not get covid”…. That then changed to “if you get the vaccine, it will lessen the symptoms”…. The American people aren’t falling for your gaslighting.
I’ve been a nurse for over thirty years and live in Mississippi. I can say that I understand. I was actually in a public space wearing a mask and someone that I DID NOT know walked up to me, pulled my surgical mask and said” you know those things don’t work don’t you?” This was in the middle of the pandemic . Needless to say my patience with these people is very thin.
I’m just wondering if I’m gonna have to make another trip this year for vacation too Europe. That way at least I can get my vaccines.
Omg I’m a teacher and immunocompromised. I wore a mask way longer than most people. The person who complained about it being a fuss for nothing🙄When little kids get sick, they can’t cover their cough or blow their nose or wash their hands. Germs spread like wildfire in classrooms. I’m glad in Australia we were pretty compliant with lockdowns and masks. Recently (not COVID related) one child coughing infected 8 other children within his cough radius on the mat. Parents bring kids to school sick because they have to work. This is the type of thing some people don’t understand.
You seem to be capitulating to those who are knocking those who were doing their best to save us from a virus that was new and very dangerous.
I was just talking about this from a different point of view.
My G'pa had emphysema, and if any of his kids, their spouses, or their kids, or any sibling etc caught a cold, HE caught pneumonia.
Yeah "children are not at risk" is not the whole game. They go to school, share their bugs and bring them back home. Parents know when the seasonal infections are around...
Correct! Preventing children spreading the virus was to protect others not just kids.
There's more damage that's been done to these children on how we handled covid than covid itself.
I appreciate Sarah doing these. It helps me understand where some are coming from, sadly.
Trump did truly unethical and morally appalling things that may have been mentioned but not covered to their full extent. No outrage and no accountability for his acts on the part of the media for this man who is truly a monster.
And this is why the Dems lost
well, you heard the focus group. Morally reprehensible and unethical behavior doesn't bother them.
And, that's all you have on Trump. A spotty history and twisting some of his words around. None of that is going to work on JD Vance, who has no history and is a far better speaker. Drop the virtue signaling and work on policy, or you'll lose again.
Compared to the actual monstrous humans that have existed, the Stalins or Genghis Khan types who caused the deaths of tens of millions and inflicted tremendous suffering upon tens of millions more, Trump is just a mean old man, not a monster compared to real historical monsters.
@@fazdoll An insurrection and 34 felonies for election interference is nearly all we have on Donald. 🤣 When orange man said he could murder someone and you wouldn't care it was just the pathetic truth he knew of your standards..
They don't have distrust. They have an inability to deal with moderately complex facts and give up trying in frustration.They act like they performed competent research into medical and public health issues. They didn't and waited around for someone to legitimize their ignorance
BINGO!
Used to work in local news. Back in the 80s, local news dropped the idea of beat reporters. We are now oaying the price. No one has expertise in anything. On the local level that means there is no institutional knowledge, no historical knowledge, no community knowledge.
Never worked in journalism, but I've definitely seen this as a state employee. Being in your job for a long time was seen as such a negative thing. But I saw lots of people who wanted to make 'common sense reforms' who had no clue that most most of things had been tried before. There were understandable reasons why we kept doing things in supposedly dumb ways. I wanted change too, but common sense wasn't the thing that was needed. As I read what I just wrote it doesn't sound like I'm making the same point at all, but I think that we are both in agreement that understanding the history of a system is important if you want to keep pace with the times. This desire to disrupt institutions is coming from people who don't understand them, and I guess we can't really expect that they should when the people covering the institutions don't understand them either.
100% TRUE--& so damn IMPORTANT. As a print/radio journalist, I can affirm that having a "beat" really helps one have DEPTH of knowledge on subjects.
based on these responses it really shows how misinformation can really have a negative impact
How did a Biden voter stumble onto Candace Owens and thought "I like this!"?!?!?!
They didn't
fact checking
@@irnbrewhaha yes they did, less your calling these ppl liars or maybe your saying sarah lied about this focus group bein biden voters.
A lot of people out there are way too easily led by the nose, if you present them with views they secretly hold, especially those which including blaming other groups.
@@PaladinsLight Please be more clear. I don't understand your position.
Re Covid, just look at the deaths in USA compared to countries where governments imposed restrictions until the vaccine was available. There is a fine line between individual freedom and community responsibility. Your freedom should not put others in peril. In Australia we had severe lockdowns and saved lives and kept hospitals working. I am astounded that Americans were so selfish and stupid. I applaud our leaders who tried their best to keep me alive.
Individual freedom is enshrined in our Constitution, and millions of American fighting men have died to ensure it stays that way. If you are at risk you can stay home, but I will do what I want/need to do as is my right.
@@Eyebrig Well, a lot of Americans are now DEAD for demanding that freedom of not wearing masks and being able to spread covid germs around the country by demanding not to socially distance.. That's just plain dumb... It's also selfish and irresponsible..
Me and my wife gasped when Trump stepped in front of Dr Faucie Trump said" Faucie is making my numbers go down" Trump wasn't concerned about Facies safety recommendations, trump was worried about elections. While thousands of people died
@@EyebrigI’m American and it is enshrined in my constitution, too. You are simply selfish. You are telling people to stay home if they are compromised. You do know those people have jobs, too? If we do not shut down how does a teacher stay home? Or any working person for that matter? Quit picking and choosing the parts of the constitution that fit your wants. Because that is all you are doing, trying to fulfill your singular wants.
We also had a lot of fools here complaining about school closures during the pandemic. I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather have my grand kids a little behind in school and catch up which they did than be dead and or spreading COVID to their families and others.
I had a conversation with a Rogan fan coworker who was unshakable in the belief that Ukraine aid in 2024 was over a trillion dollars. I don't think he really understood the difference between billions and trillions. How do you ameliorate that?
Rogan doesn't think Ukraine has received a trillion in aid
I had a conversation with a biden supporter that believed there wasn't a huge influx of illegal immigrants. How do I amerilate that?
Point is both sides have uneducated people, don't cherry pick one then smear the rest with the same brush, its intellectually dishonest.
what a stupid gripe. He messed up on the precise figure of "shit ton"? and that registers to you as a big deal? what a reach.
Well, congress has approved 174 billion in aid to Ukraine. That is more than the marine corps annual budget.
While 1 trillion is an exaggeration, he is right to be pissed about the wqsteful spending on proxy wars that do nothing but drive up inflation.
@@KonigGustavAdolph What does Rogan think?
I came across this on Ari's The Beat: 89% of Americans did not vote.. If accurate I find that terrifying.
This is one of your most important episodes ever- a giant step forward.
I contracted covid during Trump's term and was sick for three weeks. When I got better I wore a mask every day at work and the customers complained at me repeatedly because I was wearing a mask. I told them that I am immuno-comprised because I have heart failure and kidney failure so I will be wearing my mask every day. Guess they were MAGAS and believed Trump that covid would just go away. It didn't.
Rogan’s superpower is that he molds to everyone who comes to his show. He doesn’t push back much because he himself has zero consistent stand on anything; he’s a people pleaser. So expect him to change his position at any given time. Rogan is like silly puddy. Anyone can mold him. That’s why he has so many followers.
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@@biggestelvisthat's called a conversation. To listen to people regardless of their background. This isn't a debate !
That’s actually pretty sad.
Tell me you don't actually listen to Joe Rogan without telling me you don't actually listen to Joe Rogan.
@@TheHighlanderprime he always says he’s just a guy and just talking. He’s an entertainer. He’s always been anti establishment but used to be more balanced, but the disinformation he emits now has really amped up. He has gone off the deep end since Covid. He has taken in too much disinformation and his brain is now stuck in this bad bubble. He isn’t as open as he used to be.
There is no way on earth that I could listen to an entire podcast of Joe Rogan. My blood pressure goes through the roof within minutes.
Its just dumb af lol
Never forget the average American has the reading comprehension level of a fifth grader. Imagine any 10 y/o you know waxing philosophical about modern American politics and media. JVL is right but too polite. They aren't "unserious." They are dangerously ignorant.
Sad to hear that of our country! Russia and China play to that info to undermine this country! Now we have monied idiots doing it right in our midst!!
I like to drive this point. And the fact that most people still don’t vote. These are the first two things that need to be understood and established when we talk about why Trump won.
The ignorance is one thing, but it's the willfulness that is the most dangerous imo.
yes, were dumb and dont forget racist and russian bots too. lol you ppl never learn
@@PaladinsLight telling the truth is a good first step, knowing is half the battle! You can do it!
HOWARD STERN!! Don’t forget about the influence of that man and his crew for over 40 years! The daily ritual of tuning into his hours long, rambling conversations among his cast of characters - including guest characters like Trump - has never been my cup of tea. But it certainly has been for a lot of other people, spanning multiple generations (Boomers, Gen X, Millennials). And Stern’s rise was roughly concurrent with Rush Limbaugh’s.
So here we are today with Rogan and all his podcaster “siblings” as the intellectual heirs to that sort of auditory circle-jerk that people clearly still want to join in with, both literally and metaphorically.
Actually, having listened to, and deeply respected Howard Stern's broadcast about 9/11 as it was happening, I will always respect him as a philanthropic man. 🌱
I intensely disliked Stern when he was in his shock jock phase.
I am not a follower, but it appears that he has matured and grown over the years. He's an intelligent and surprisingly thoughtful person and a great interviewer.
@@barbaramonaco105 Yeah I wasn't a fan when he was playing chock jock but he did mature and you are correct, his interviews are very good. He still falls into a little of his shock and that is when I turn off the channel. There are still many people who think Howard is only a shock jock and when I say I listen to him they give me bad looks. ;)
His interview with Kamala was great!
You guys have a point - all good observations. I suppose he’s matured and mellowed a bit. And I listened to and appreciated his conversation with Harris.
I have numerous Rogan-type listeners in my circles of family and friends and they all started by listening to Stern. They don’t echo Stern anymore quite like they do for Rogan and that type of “preacher” now. Stern may have matured but these people, my family and friends, didn’t. I wonder why? I wonder what they’re looking for?
Sarah, I second Tim's sentiments about the work you do. I don't think I could do what you do AND still remain optimistic. Thank you for doing this for us and keeping us informed! Also, you ROCK!!! Tim, I feel your pain! Every time I face palmed or scratched my head hearing the responses from the focus, I'd look at the screen and you'd be doing the same! :-) Sarah, merry Christmas and happy holidays for you, your family, and your loved ones! 💙💙💙💙💙 from a Brazilian fan.
A few thoughts,
1) Yes, distance learning had negative impacts. Yes, those impacts are still being felt. Maybe the children were not a group at high risk, but you can't have in person schooling without adults, teachers, support staff, janitors etc...We went into the pandemic with a shortage of those at-risk people. Closing in-person education was a decision that did not only impact children. Sorry, but not sorry if you were annoyed or inconvenienced.
2) Fauci has been a hero of mine since the hiv/aids crisis, and an influence on my decision to go into medicine. He and his staff had an impossible mission, to protect americans while his boss spread lies. When cloth masks were recommended, I knew we were headed to a very dark place-my take away was we were not prepared (stockpiled) to protect our frontlines, much less the rest of us.
Why has everyone forgotten that Trump sabotaged Fauci his whole time in office? A lot of Fauci’s mistakes were edicts handed down by Trump
Did you ever think that it wasn't just about your 3 year old, but the daycare worker that was a little older and had high blood pressure?
Interesting you say that. Was the older daycare worker given tools to protect herself? Like the importantance of vitamin d and? Getting enough sunlight and good hand hygiene? We do have immune systems and most of the time, they work. Lockdowns only were effective for a short amount of time. Not two years.
I had the same thought. I had employees who took voluntary furloughs because they had a job that necessitated that they be around tons of strangers every day. They weren’t concerned for themselves (young and healthy) but they lived with family members who were at high risk. Their choice was move out for the duration of the pandemic or take a furlough and they chose the latter
@@lisaburrows4757 no. just no. The point is that it wasn't just about the kids safety. It was about everyones safety.
@@lisaburrows4757 Lol go back to your joe rogan podcast.
Vitamins and sunshine… and hand washing!!!! DAMN why didn’t the experts think of that???!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 things about covid- i worked in many different hospitals and saw many kids on ventilators. Also, if the thought is that kids aren't affected as much as older people, remember, teachers might be some older people. I'm biased because I'm in Healthcare, but also just wanted to share. Excellent show guys!
There’s a lot of studies finally being published showing that kids are a lot more vulnerable to long covid than we thought. It’s incredibly sad.
I remember that clearly. We also had two pregnant women get COVID and pass away before the vaccine came out. They were able to deliver one of the babies as a preemie, and I think she did well. It just really made me sad that they died.
And then there were places like New York when bodies were in refrigerator trucks, and so many elderly people died. In the beginning it was horrific. Then the anti mask stuff came out because trump refused to tell the truth to the public about how dangerous it was. And he knew well before it was really spreading here. When he did that, about half the country wasn't going to ever take it seriously until someone close to them died from COVID. There were so many anti mask people in my area that I ended up homeschooling my grandson for kindergarten and first grade because he has asthma. As soon as the vaccines came out, we all got them.
I also do not understand the hatred directed towards Dr. Fauci. I feel that the info he gave was valid and our best option to lessen the spread, given the US’s supply of equipment at any given time. I hate wearing masks, but realize that cloth masks were better than nothing at the time.
That's why you'll always fall for propaganda. You need to question as soon as their story starts to change and then question what Is the motive for them changing their story
Read The Real Anthony Fauci. Plus everything he said turned out to be false
They may not have been, but directing the public away from our inadequate supply of PPE was the right thing to do at that moment. If we'd let our doctors and nurses die on the front line while people who were sheltering at home hoarded all the masks in their garage, they'd be blaming Fauci for that.
And I know in my gut if any supply had been available during that time, the 'low-trust' voters would have latched onto masks as critical to their survival and it would have been harder to get them to turn on masking later. That's the level at which these people's brains seem to be operating.
You need to be more skeptical of people in power.
@@coryhebert2070 You said lots of words and said nothing. "their story..." Who are they? Which story has changed?
As a prediabetic with 3 autoimmune diseases and when I get the "flu" it becomes pneumonia in 2 days, it would have been very bad for me to get COVID-19. It was very difficult to hear the "Joe Rogan" misconceptions. It seems like they are saying their personal liberties are more important than the very lives of people like me! (My brother is one of the "Roganized" which was heartbreaking for my immediate family. He still spouts the Roganized misinformation daily on FB Live & YT.)
I feel your pain. All of my in-laws believe the popular misinfo about covid. They’re polite enough not to bring it up around me but they won’t stay home when sick or even acknowledge they put my long-covid disabled ass at risk when we’re together.
I get SO tired of hearing about the teacher's unions! That's a misnomer!
They may be super powerful in Northern States, in DC or in California, but in at least six states (Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Arkansas) public-employee collective bargaining is actually against the law!
We are at will employees in a right-to-work state with little to no rights or protections.
They said go back, we went back. In Texas, they began to prohibit masks, contact tracing and excused absences for COVID. It's as if they WANTED us to all die!
A friend of mine works for a state university, and during Covid there were so many support staff (like building engineers, cleaning crew, etc) that had died from the disease! It was so sad - one of those men had literally just retired; the school had a party for him, and he caught Covid at that same party (from a co-worker). A few weeks later both he and the other guy whom he caught Covid from were both deceased.
I taught in Texas for 11 years before moving to Oregon in 1986. My salary in Oregon is much more than in Texas. We can also bargain for working conditions.
Move to Minnesota. You'll get paid well and shown respect
They said cloth was better than
nothing because we didn’t even have enough masks for hands on healthcare workers
That's what my family wore until we could get N95 masks, and before the vaccine. My son-in-law caught COVID, but the rest of us were okay.
Candass owens as a credible source of news & information 🤣
We're DOOMED !
Name something she's been wrong on?
@PurpleImpactStrategies Name something she was right about. (Excluding debunked Russian propaganda please)
@@nsidor1234look up Candace Owens testifying in a senate hearing. It’s classic. Lying democrats and academics vs candace.
She is Way better than 1000 mainstream media propaganda around the world
What I trust the most is receipts!! A la Rachel Maddow. Joe Rogan doesn’t seem to bother with those. I watched Luke Beasley on his show and for me, Joe yells and looses it way too much, somehow Luke was able to stay calm through it all kudos to Luke Beasley.
I am 74 years old and I am a Democrat. My reaction to Trump winning the election and main stream media bending the knee to Trump is to cut my TV cable service. I read a paper everyday. I believe that between my local TV news and news reports I can see on RUclips I will be able to keep up with the latest news on Trump. I have also started to read more. I love reading and I have not been making time to read. Now that I do not watch cable news I fill that time with reading. I will be better off paying less attention to the cable news channels.
Shouldn’t you be questioning the things those same people told you? Your newspapers are no better than cable. Don’t be the last one on the bus as far as figuring out where to get credible information.
Well said. The cable news has become an outhouse. News used to be something the country rallied around, now it's all based on entertainment. FOX makes money by dividing the country and it's sad to see so many real journalist leave FOX due to the crap they see daily.
Just check the corporate ownership of any news you've been consuming.
When you were young, about 50 different families and corporation had a say in the news business. There were also many local independent papers.
Now everything is owned by 5 mega corps that are all owned or banked with blackrock. Run by people in the same social and business circles, went to the same elite universities. Local news across the country is handed the exact same corporately curated script. You've likely been consuming news straight from DNC and corporate strategists and not even realizing it.
I'm 33 yo independent, dont like Trump for obvious reasons, but can't vote for dems either. Too many lies. Gives me a cold tingle down my spine. I agreed with Tapper on CNN when he described the cover up around bidens mental state as "orwellian". Truly creepy. Or how "51 intelligence agents" all said the hunter laptop was propaganda. It wasn't. But it was so heavily censored by big tech and the corporate media. Very scary stuff. Reminds me of the weapons of mass destruction hoax, same people.
Dems have become a corporate party. That's why Obama did the opposite of what he campaigned on.
He surged troops and dumped over a trillion dollars on building the Iraqi and Afghanistan armies. Only president in american history to be at war all 8 years of his presidency, after promising the end the wars lol. Plus he bombed 9 more middle eastern countries, and toppled 7 more governments. All countries that were on the right wing "project for a new American century" hit list. Plus the drone strikes in Yemen, he let the military just run wild. Cheney loved it, he and Bush were dead ducks when it came to pushing for more military action, Obama was a perfect Trojan horse. Now dems have basically become the war party, it's so sad.
He did healthcare reform that prevented a public option, when he had promised a public option.
He promised to sign the right to choose law on day 1, so that Roe would be cemented into federal law. Totally blew it off, you can see in a interview after his first hundred days how he had already dropped it as an issue. Dems pretend they didn't do that tho, just memory hole it 😂
Oh and he bailed out the bankers, made them richer and bigger than ever, all while 5 million families lost their homes and people's pensions and retirements were seized. Add this to the "disastrous" trade deals Bernie refers to, like Nafta, and dems have done more to sell out American workers than basically anyone else.
In 1990, around 50% of clothing Americans wore was made here in the USA. Now less than 2% is made here. The people that used to work in those favtories ended up working retail at Walmart making total crap wages. Profits from the trade deals went straight to the top.
I despise both parties, but especially cant stand the trojan horse that the dem party has become. Trust literally no one. If you can't verify it, don't believe it. I just read more books and watch more movies nowadays anyways, tired of being lied to as gaslit.
@@63rambler66What is your problem?? 😂 This person said they're turning off cable news and reading books and newspapers which absolutely are better sources of information.
Give an actual suggestion instead of cutting someone down!
Sadly, the trustworthiness of local TV news has been on the decline since the 1987 abandonment of the Fairness Doctrine by the FCC. While many local news stations are still free to report the news as they wish, an ever increasing number of them (in particular those owned by the Sinclair group) are sometimes forced to report partisan news fed to them by their parent company.
I worked in healthcare and wore double cloth masks during the pandemic until kn95s were more available. I never got sick once. It is I think very important to realize that flu and other viral infections were almost non existent during the time we were wearing cloth and medical masks. I sympathize with people who had young children because it was very hard for parents to navigate the school situations and the masking but it was not just kids at the schools. There were teachers and staff who I think then would have been exposed to a high risk of getting covid. The other aspect that is still not getting enough attention is the risk of long covid and the potential cost of medical care for the people who suffer from long covid.
Thanks for mentioning long covid
We wore cloth masks for a short time before we found basic masks, but even those helped, because before the vaccine came out, we were all wearing them until we could get the N95 masks.
The fact that multiple people mentioned how they liked Candice Owen’s who is a Russian talking point speaker box who thinks the moon landing was fake and denies the holocaust is really alarming to me. I really don’t understand how people can listen to her talk and not have blaring bs alarms going off in their head
She's incredibly popular
You have a nice little Russian conspiracy theory going on there but you need to prove it.
I’ve never been so proud of my decision not to have children than I am right now.
I very much sympathize with parents who dealt with masking children, however if you have every worked in a school you know how that environment has always been a vector of illnesses from children passed onto the staff. I am a Librarian and my first years in a school I contracted a flu ( up until that time I had never been vaccinated for flu) That flu nearly killed me. The Teachers Union is very much aware of our exposure to children passing illness that might not hurt the child as much as it hurts the vulnerable staff.
I used to volunteer a lot at my kid's elementary school, and I think I got strep throat 5 years in a row 😬.
That's right. Also, children can bring home illnesses to vulnerable family members.
Flu vaccines, which have NO safety testing at all, ALWAYS are allegedly designed to deal with the previous year's flu and not the current year's flu.
"well once we understood the risk to kids was low, we likely shoulda sent them back to class, but the teachers were fighting it"
This is an absurd statement once you realize 1/3rd of teachers are over 50 years old, the high risk group for teachers, the average age of teachers is 43, the second highest risk group. Teachers were hesitant to go back to class because, while yes, kids were low-risk *teachers themselves* were a high risk group.
Anyone at risk can stay at home and self-quarantine if they so choose. Nobody has the right to destroy the lives of everyone around to suit their personal needs.
@@mardyroux8136 You just implied that a group of kids can be in a classroom by themselves.
@@ronaldking1054 Think harder.
@@mardyroux8136 You were the one who claimed that teachers that had risks did not need to be in a classroom. I did not. That means that you implied that children could be in a classroom by themselves.
Asking people to do something that they don’t benefit from directly and obviously is just not acceptable to some peoples. Many people can not see beyond their own self interest
You're supposed to be weeding these people out of your organizations, not making excuses for them.
If it's all power to you, then what's missing is more abstract constraints, such as laws, or ethics.
You get the authority you ask for, and if ethics aren't good enough for you, someone's going to have to show you power.
Remind everyone that Hitler was an artist and his favoured type of artwork was painting flowers.
If someone tells me that I can trust them, especially if they say to trust only them, I immediately don’t trust them!
Interesting, trust is earned not said. So weird to see someone told me to trust him/her instead of do something.
@@Puffsdad then don’t trust any liberals
If I had a sexual assault judgement against me in addition to the mismanagement of funds I wouldn't be able to get a job. Why does this bar only apply to the little people and not people who are going to head our government??? Hypocrisy.
Not if they're phony .!
Bogus charges and cases in corrupt jurisdictions get overturned. I suspect Trump will OWN NYC after all is said and done and properly litigated.
Not if they were made up.
Sarah hit the nail on the head as well by pointing out that people are lonely and like the hangout atmosphere of podcasts.
People have been listening to podcasts for over a decade.... Rogan was massive way before covid
And Trump rallies. I always ask what these people used to do with their time before Trump came along. Did they go to concerts, did they volunteer, did they participate in sports? Why do they buy all his merch and dress up and go to these hateful rallies over and over again, all across the country?? It must give them some sense of belonging to a group or something that they’re not getting from their families, community, church or schools ???
Nah. These podcasters don't care about us. None of these people even know we exist, we are just numbers. Doesn't matter if you are left or right.
The mask thing was so you don’t spread the virus not only preventing from you from contracting the virus. I always looked at wearing the mask that I am protecting others against any germs that I may be carrying or passing on. I felt it to be uncomfortable as well but until the science worked through this disease as any other disease we needed to follow protocol. This was a new virus and we needed to work through it just like anything else.
RUclips slammed me with Trump ads every single day in the month before the election .
Same, I had to pay for premium so that I did not have to hear pr see them
Same for me. I kept reporting the ads as misinformation from a psychotic liar, but the ads kept coming.
MAGA! Enjoy! 😂
Same
trump ran a better campigned thats why he won
As an “older” consumer it seems ironic that podcasts are close cousins to radio.
Yeah, podcasts can be a video show instead of just a radio show. Same format as the old radio programs though.
Exactly, my parents (Depression/WWII era) told me how radio broadcasts were the thing!
Oh my gosh, right?? 😂 I've been avoiding them (afraid of the rabbit hole) yet I'm perfectly happy listening to my favorite radio talk shows.
I can't get lost in the radio show as a rabbit hole because it eventually ends and something else comes on.
It's like watching a reality show where people say it's unscripted and natural.
I'm a liberal on the political spectrum, but I listen to (some of) Rogan's podcasts because he's a great interviewer. But I've intentionally avoided most of his politician interviews, with a few exceptions (like Bernie). I'm disappointed Kamala didn't appear on his show. I can't remember the reason why, and maybe an invitation was never offered, but I think it could have gone a long way to help her win the election.
Sarah Longwell is just fantastic. I absolutely LOVE this Focus Group podcast!
What’s so stupid about these two? Is they miss the elephant in the room which is Kamala Harris can’t hold a conversation. Therefore couldn’t go on a podcast therefore lost the election. These two didn’t notice that.
This is probably the one focus group podcast that has made me despair for the future of America. Happy holidays everyone.
I agree. Those people are a serious indictment of the public school system.
Although The Jimmy Kimmel Show's person-in-the-street interviews on politics, science, history and other topics are hilarious, they are sad proof that idiocracy is here.
Agreed
The problem is that Joe Rogan does not fact check. He seems to accept the absurd as fact, as if he were suspending belief to enjoy a movie. He went through an entire interview with Trump without challenging his obvious barrage of lies.
As an example, there was no challenge to the fact that tariffs are not paid by China. It was low hanging fruit.
All of the consequences of tariffs, like the foreign policy upheaval with trading partners, domestic tax policy and economy were left unexplored.
Everyone left the interview feeling better, Trump, Rogan, the ill-informed audience… lots of words spoken, nothing important or even true was said.
Yes, a three hour conversation can be long enough to get to know a person and the things that matter to them. It make one feel comfortable with that person as if they know them personally. The reality is that they don’t know them and people in the public eye tend to be able to misdirect and manipulate. That is why important things like elections and candidates are best met with challenging skepticism.
We are all much worse off because Joe Rogan is willing to be everybody’s bro.
Rogan's purpose was not to debate him, and Jamie fact checks regularly, multiple times per episode.
Also. the tariffs Trump talks about are reciprocal to what those nations already impose on OUR trade goods. Things like 50% tariffs on american cars in Germany, 100% tariffs on american products in china, etc.
You are mad at your own ignorance on economics and global trade, not Trump.
It's so sad that most of this country picks a leader based on which candidate they would most like to have a beer with but the candidate they picked hates beer and who doesn't give a shit about them except for how much money he could swindle from them.
Have these Candace and Joe listeners check out when Joe interviewed Candace and see how they rectify that in their minds. She did not do well and Joe actually called her out on her bullshit. Of course, this was back when Joe was more of a reasonable person who would actually push back, instead of allowing a conservative to just outright lie, knowing they weren't going to get called out.
Joe claimed that Tim Walz wasn't honest and that was a dealbreaker. Does Joe prefer his liars more brazen and prolific, because that's the ONLY way he could rationalize supporting Trump and company. Something he avoided doing for the lion's share of a DECADE, btw, because he said he wasn't looking to amplify their bullshit message.
Are there any focus groups with active/former military members and family members about Pete Hegseth?
A woman at work and I were talking about that New York marine who used a chokehold to kill a schizophrenic man who was threatening commuters. It’s a complex story but she was incensed he would be charged at all by woke progressive prosecutors. I mentioned that the medical examiner said the chokehold killed the guy after everyone had left the train and he was unconscious so certainly a jury should weigh it all and decide. She immediately started laughing loudly and publically and saying SO! YOU must listen to CNN and MSNBC! The Corine said he died from drugs!!! I said, I think that was a defense witness. Again, that’s why a jury decides. She yelled BI IT WAS THE CORONER! Where do you get your false information??? I said, well we could just look up the court records, I expect. She said, like you guys care about that. I just shook my head and gave up. Her feelings were so much stronger than the information and the media part of the conversation was so disingenuous.
I appreciate that you tried. There is a young Podcaster on Meidas Touch. I can't think of his name. But he speaks with Trump voters and sometimes gets them to see things differently. It's fascinating
The drugs were the cause of death. Probably exacerbated by the situation in which other passengers had to be protected from the crazed and dangerous lunatic. It's an unfortunate thing, but the man protecting his fellow citizens did not commit a crime.
I work with people who are still to this day wearing masks. They have helped to lessen the spreading of germs. For anyone who thinks otherwise, you're mistaken. One of my masking coworkers has been sick only once since covid started, and that was a few months ago. We work in a fairly crowded retail germ farm. Illnesses come through the company but the few that are still putting up with wearing the masks tend to avoid getting sick at all.
Some clinics and hospitals and work places. I saw a guy at the med clinic the other day and he had to have a note he was over Covid so he could return to work. Shout, I don't even have tests anymore. If I'm sick, then I'm sick. He flu can be worse. I through up for an entire week. Time to realize, it's like the flu.
And the people you see wearing a mask, alone in their car?
exactly, the weirdest part about that whole line of thinking is the fact that surgeons in operating rooms have been wearing masks for decades and decades before the pandemic, but when it comes to a mandate for the public to do the same thing for the exact same reasons, to halt the spread of germs, THEN people object
I have like no immune system and I'm an Italian waiter who hugs n kisses everyone. I never got Covid or the shot.
The surgical grade masks worked to a degree for covid
Cloth did not
Very important distinction
I’m a democrat but I find myself listening to the Bulwark podcasters more than others. I think it’s due to the fact that as former Republicans, you guys provide a more balanced view of politics as a whole!
@@Penny4thewin as a former democrat before 2010- how in the hell do you honestly still vote blue today? Wow
@@karleells6540 Democrats care about the common people, Republicans only care about corporations/billionaires. Only Democrats propose useful laws. And Republicans do not know how to govern, this has been proven many times.
@ Easily considered the other option!
So these focus groups have just told me, that they prefer entertainers rather than news anchors.
I worked in a prison in a red state during Covid. I witnessed the deceitful reporting of the deaths.
What happened? I was surprised there were no big stories about stacks of mortally afflicted inmates. I expected the prison system to collapse
As a former Preschool Teacher, who also subbed a lot in elementary schools, there is a big piece of this people are overlooking regarding Covid. BEFORE the pandemic the field of education was way understaffed. Many classrooms were being taught by long term subs. In addition, many educators are mid age or closer to retirement. Also, I do not know why, but many educators struggle with health issues. There are so many of us who battle autoimmune conditions. You put ALL of these aspects together, the administrators were not closing schools to prevent kids from getting sick, but not to kill off the already dwindling teacher pool they had. Who do you know now a days that choose to go into education? Honestly, it is not a money making career. They had to protect the workforce.
@@PattySmith-v9f not a money making career? Teaching is the third most common profession of American millionaires behind engineering and accounting.
Source : 2018 book “Everyday millionaire”
I tried to listen to Rogan two or three times, but had to stop it each time after 10 minutes due to his obvious tilted world view and conspiracy theory peddling. Why so many people don’t pick up on this is a mystery to me
Joe Rogan has the largest audience on Earth
It's because Rogan listeners do not hear any real news. They are completely clueless about just about everything
None of these people are taking the time to evaluate what Trump did the first time. Too much emphasis on feelings not much on facts. This I attribute to social media.