I dont know if people have figured it out yet but the ending of the seasons episode, when you see the elves on the cliff overlooking the river and waterfalls. It looks like Rivendell, no?
@@AlaniTheScriptMage Gurthang inspired? I'll have to check it out regardless. Sounds like an awesome concept and I trust that it's original and not dumb, unlike this show. Your commentary is insightful: I trust your novel most be insightful too!
Also, you have to ask, "Who is Manwe?" To the best of my knowledge, at no point has this series introduced any of the deeper lore of Tolkien. Legally they can't, because they only have the rights to the appendices in the Lord of the Rings, not the Silmarillion.
They'll fall in love with the Entwives. Then the Entwives will run away from their boring slow to do something ent husbands (that's why they don't know where they are). But the love between Entwives and Balrogs is a tragic one since if they actually touch each other the Balrogs will burn up the Entwives. So sad.
I really appreciate the call out for the one real elf who died after 4 seconds of parkour. 100% agree. Fantastic shot that only served to show how unbelievably ridiculous the rest of this abomination is. Keep up the great work!
It feels like a different team did that shot, it's so different to the quality of the rest of the show. Or like, a real stuntman was visiting the set that day and said "Here, let me show you how it should be done."
This ep is pretty much a perfect summary of the show - essential story happening off screen, characters behaving like ciphers, lots of "look it's the thing! From the film!" rather than actual storytelling, pointless action that they somehow think they've made meaningful, dumb reveals, and a couple of nice CGI shots. It's on me at this point for watching, which I probably won't with season 3. And the amazing thing about the Gandalf reveal was they even set up "Gand" referring to his staff earlier on, but they decided that they should focus on "Grand" instead?! These writers are something special.
“Okay so in this scene Adar’s gonna stab you, like twice in the chest, super brutal, then you fall to the ground” “Oh man, it’s not lookin too hot for old Arondir” “Kay so in this next scene you’re gonna be kickin around, doin the old thing like grrrrr” “Oh I’m not dead?”
@@blackwolf4653Rooms of Power. To be followed by a spinoff focusing on the eagles fighting climate change in Middle Earth: Birdemic-nor, Shire and Terror.
I'm pretty sure some Amazon rebel stuck that bit in there as an FU to bezos for using Tolkien as a money laundering scam because it's not PC enough for him. Grrrr
Next season: Elendil - ‘Hey there’s a Door over there!’ Isildur - ‘Huh.. that’s weird. The doors gone’. Elendil - ‘Doors Gone? Door… Gone.. Door. Gone. Doooorrrr Goooon..’ Isildur - ‘Are.. are you ok?’ Elendil - ‘DooorGonnn’ Isildur - ‘oh by Numenor he’s having a stroke!’ Elendil - ‘DorGon…. Gone…. Door… Gooonnndooorr GONDOR! We shall build a city here! And it shall be named: GONDOR!’ Isildur - ‘he did have a stroke.. A STROKE OF GENIUS!’
For the most expensive show in history, everything they do is CHEAP!! That's what I'd call it, CHEAP! Examples: 1. The dwarves delving too deep and freeing the Balrog; What comes to mind is seeing 1000s of dwarves, operating heavy iron works and vast groups using picks, working in a frenzy, delving into the mountain in the most epic way. What we got? One dwarf, hammering away on a six inch wall between the dwarven kingdom and the vast caverns of Mithril, and the Balrog. CHEAP! 2. The battle of Eregion; Should have been an epic battle of thousands of Orcs and Elves fighting in the plain the initial Elf cavalry charge started in. What we got? That entire cavalry charge completely halted because the Orcs had one person prisoner. (There was a WHOLE lot more wrong with that whole thing, but I won't get into it). CHEAP! 3. The Orcs betraying Adar to fight for Sauron. What should've happened when Glug and company entered the room with Sauron was Sauron shifting his image, growing larger than life, wearing his crown and armor, and pure evil rolling off of him in waves, terrifying the Orcs and him domineering their minds into submission and evil thoughts. It should've displayed this evil shock ripple throughout all the Orc horde to show they were ALL dominated by Sauron. What we got? Sad, tearful Sauron doing....nothing. The Orcs just switched...no reason and, imperceptibly, all of them at once. CHEAP! 4. Fatal injuries meaning nothing. Galadriel falling from a cliff, Arondir clearly being killed in EP07, (not to mention the fatal wound Galadriel received from Sauron's crown), some random diversified Elf girl being pin cushioned with arrows, only to epically shoot and blow up a completely insignificant piece of machinery, (it wasn't the battering ram, because that was used in the fight with the Ogre). CHEAP! 5. The only people shipping anyone in this show is the show runners, and feeling proud enough about it to gloat about it in every interview they get. Galadriel and Halbrand, Arondir and Bronwyn, Kemen and Eärien, Isildur and Estrid, Galadriel and Elrond (?), and maybe Miriel and Elendil (?). However, not one relationship we see is deep enough to feel. CHEAP! I could go on. The list is almost endless.
11:30 The thing is, he knew he had only one arrow remaining, and instead of getting some more from the dead comrade lying next to him and staying on the rampart, where he has a good view of the enemy and he's relatively protected, he decides to slide down the roof to shoot his last arrow at ground level, completely exposed. What was the plan after that? He didn't even have a sword! Cool-looking moment, terrible battle IQ 😅
Injuries don't matter in this show. Isildur got stabbed in the leg down to the hilt also, he made a joke about it and immediately fell in love, then it was never mentioned again
@@AlaniTheScriptMage Yeah , but that was inspiration for that scene. Clearly these writers don't care or know anything about Tolkien (written at least) ..it's really just a poor attempt to mirror LOTR movies in most awkward way possible.
Charlotte Brändström actually said in an interview the Galadriel/Sauron fight had what basically was a romance note to it, so basically confirming they literally put a tumblr fanfic on screen. Thanks, just what I needed! :D “It was really important that we felt the tension, the provocations, and how destabilized she felt because she was very much in love with Halbrand…” and again “I mean, there was almost like a love story. He really seduced her. He really got into her head and it destabilized her, so she knows she needs to be strong and stand up to him.” Fair enough: it's from an interview for entertainment weekly, but still.
Oh dear lord… the fight was so disjointed and awkward and .. not exciting idk how they think there’s a romantic element do it. Galadriel was just angry the whole time anyway and seemed 100% done with Sauron, halbrand or not.
I can relate to your frustration, I felt the exact way and had the same thoughts while watching this series. As smart viewers, we're pointing out the lack of logic and sense in the scenes, the absence of experienced professionals in areas like architecture, engineering etc... And the poor quality in acting, scripting, editing, and directing...
It feels like there were just too many writers without communication. What was even the purpose of the "trial by sea" if the queen is just going to remain and Farazond be made king? Just a pointless plotline that lead nowhere. And, that archer absolutely stole the show. I rewound just to do a double take, that was just absolutely peak.
I like your explanation of why the scene between the Durins feels hollow. I felt absolutely nothing for the elder Durin or his sacrifice but couldn't exactly say why. But it's as you say, him sacrificing himself for his son wasn't properly set up. There weren't any scenes in the last 2 season to give the impression that he had any real fatherly regard for him at all. The only emotion I felt throughout it was bamboozlemet as to why any of this way happening at all
I would love to listen and talk with you hours and hours about all the nonsense. I feel so near to all the things you say in your videos...i dont know but you are the best thing i discover with this show❤
Great analysis as always. Very cathartic to have someone else acknowledge all the weird decisions and annoying lore breaks this show puts forth. I think you covered pretty much everything and that bit where you looked up the fanfics was hilarious. (I'm pretty sure that harem fic would have been more entertaining than what we got lol) Anyway, can't wait for the Rohirrim show that's coming out just so I can see your review on it because I'm pretty sure its going to take just as many liberties with the lore as this dumpster fire.
32:20 It's such a weak fight sequence. First it shows Galadriel practically levitating up and down in a way elves don't do in this world but then, moments later, she slides down off the rock and seems stunned and winded. Like, which is it? She's either a parkour master or a sack of potatoes. It's all clearly contrived to first show she's a mighty warrior and then to put her at Sauron's mercy, making the whole sequence a farce.
This was the episode where I fiinally wondered why they didn't try to hire someone like Katheryn Winnick to play Galadriel. I feel like she could have played a more unknowable, elf-like G. Based on her past roles at least she knows how to emote strong emotions without contorting her face into a snarl - like certain people. She might have been perfect, and she is also a martial arts person. But you don't even have to assume that would make her much better at the action stuff - just look at her past work. Then maybe they could have actually done a badass single combat scene between Galadriel and Sauron - biggest missed opportunity yet. If you HAVE to make G a warrior princess then do it right - is all I'm saying. They wrote G into this one on one confrontation with Sauron, and she even has her magic ring and a sword, and then it is just a flabby, spineless scene - coitus interruptus! So dissapointed. Lagertha would have put that sword though Halbrand's face without a second thought. 😛 Not to be a linguist nazi, but the origin of the name given to him was GAND-elf, NOT grand-elf. As in GAND (aka a wand). Totally different linguistic roots - old Norse vs French/Romance - with professor T. rolling in his grave. Even the hobbits said in a previous episode "he's looking for a gand". So it is their OWN internal terminolgy, not just the lore. Just more sloppiness. They could have had him pick up the "gand" that was literally lying right there at his feet FIRST, and then all the proto-hobbits could say "look, he's a GAND Elf". In really great TV series and great movies where they care about details you can go back and notice new, fully intentional, meaningful details you previously missed on the 5th viewing. In shlock like this you get distracted by multiple discordant details on the first viewing. Not only do they not care about Tolkien, apparently they don't care about THEIR show either.
@@ItsSVO I think the main problem here is that both seasons they were bending over backwards, and from my point of view wasting valuable opportunities to do other things they really NEEDED to be doing in the story, just to set up first their non-reveal Sauron "reveal", and then their non-reveal Gandalf "reveal". Both of which came out incredibly lame IMHO. So for example the writers can't just have the proto-hobbits call him "gand elf" (too on the nose) as that would "spoil" the big reveal at Bombadil's house - proving that the average viewer is way smarter than these writers. Case in point - when the hobbit throws Gandalf's soon-to-be-gand off the cart earlier in the scene, instead of it being something you subtly realize on a second viewing, it instantly screams "Gandalf!" to most viewers on account of its head (unnessisarily) being a blatant, near literal ripoff of his staff from the Jackson movies. I wonder if they also got the rights from Jackson's prop department first? But everything was thrown out of whack by the setups - the plot had multiple points where it strained reasonableness to the breaking point, there were glaring plot holes a cave troll could blunder through, and even the continuity suffered - all apparently to prop up the stupid idea that they need to have big "surpize" reveal moments. Given the end results it is obvious the sacrifies would not have been worth it EVEN if these reveals came off as genuine surprizes. But both "surpirzes" were aready %100 DOA when they played out.
Great breakdowns, been really enjoying them. I gave up after S1 and have been following the show vicariously through videos like yours. I have a feeling it's not the last we'll see of the proto-Hobbits. I think next season will pick up with Nori and her new tribe (possibly in a completely separate storyline again). I really think their planning to show the establishment of the Shire.
My main issue with this series is that they're screwing things up for any potential future productions. It feels like they were so desperate to add all the Easter eggs they can so they scoured the books for anything they could take, and then crammed them in with no context or regard for the original story, and in doing so have made it impossible for them to be used again in any actually decent show. I could put up with this in isolation, but....
In 10 to 15 years time we might get another show, or film series that will probably scrap RoP as non cannon in order to try to tell a better story. But is a shame that with the massive budget they had this is the best they could come up with script wise :(
To quote from this stupid show itself “ _Some things can’t be fixed. Some things lost are lost forever. No matter how hard we fight, how much it hurts, or how much our hearts yearn to put them back together. Cause this world’s so much bigger than any of us. And sometimes the winds blowing against us are just too strong. At those times we’ve just got to accept it. What’s broke is broke and won’t fix. And all anybody can do is try and build something new_ .” Perfectly sums up Rings of Power itself. It can't be fixed at this point, Amazon should just accept it, cancel the show, fire all the writers and never hire them again for anything, learn the lessons of how it failed, and move on.
love how the balrog went to sleep after the durin thing and then everyone forgot about it love how arondir doesnt have any signs of injury in his armor/shirt either love all the timetravelling or teleportation during the siege of eregion love how the caves of moria are super thin and that all the rubble from mining just disappears instantly
The way Durin leaps at the Balrog with the axe reminded my of Matthew McConnaghy leaping at the dragon at the end of Reign of Fire. Except that was cool, had context and was well set up. ruclips.net/video/Q18phzR9uNc/видео.html
Concerning stabbing of Arondir (or not) I'dguessthe scenes were recorded the other way around and when they did the fight someone uttered, "hey, what's cool if Arondir gets stabbed by Adar!" And everyone shouts, Yeah lets do it!! Noone cares about the narrative in this shitshow anyways .
You clocked almost everything that annoyed me lol. The only thing I'm troubled by that nobody talks about is "what broke the ring's spell on King Durin?" Was it the sight of the Balrog? Did he bump his noggin and snap him out of it? I only ask because they made such a big deal out of its spell over him. Even Durin's touching arm-wrestling story didn't work. Did I miss something?
Re: Balrog They could have made it more epic and also explain why the dwarves basically ignored it for thousands of years by having Durin III actually land a blow on the Balrog's head, and both fall into the 'bottomless chasm', with cave-in happening. Then they could say: "Welp, good thing our great king killed that beastie. Back to business as usual." I guess they could assume that the explosion would have taken care of that as well, but where the heck did that explosion come from? What was Durin III's axe made out of? Subcritical uranium? Also, what the heck was Durin III swinging at in that scene? Clearly not the Balrog's head, and the swing starts way before the Balrog's swing.
Legs diff. Balrog was like 40 meter away. And dwarves can bearly be tossed for 5! IF the Balrog didn't swing out of mercy, Durin would have died by falling of a cliff.
Kemen is also probably remembering he killed Valandil (though no one else ever mentions him afterwards) and just realized he's in trouble if Isildur ever finds out. Arondir being inexplicably alive makes no sense. He was stabbed and surrounded by orcs on a battlefield. There is nothing to suggest Gil-Galad did the ring healing bit on him, and yet he's up and fighting like they did!
.My boy the archer impressed my hard to please archer husband, too! Also: glad i wasnt the only one who noticed the layout of the city randomly change😮
If Nenya’s ring had this much healing power why couldn’t she heal Frodo lol. Why have this stupid Morgoth’s crown object when we know what happened to it! The show runners are given such a long leash on stuff they can use from different letters and stories but they blatantly use an artifact that’s currently in the Void!
When Cleabrimbor says something like 'I foresee one will bring your demise' or something like that, I don't think he means Frodo; I think he means The One Ring.
To conclude: you have to imagine the interesting stuff off-screen. This show truly stimulates your imagination. Not sure this the right method tough... Poor Gandalf, they Han Solo-ed him. By the way, this only works in English. How inclusive. In German, it is Groß-Elf. Has a touch of...Großvater - grandfather.
I was just thinking the scene of burning the scrolls with the ring lore is a great metaphor for their basic approach in this series. How do rings of power get made and work? Mystery box. Whoops, the mystery box just went up in smoke. Guess we will just never know.
At this point, all the Southlanders still think that Halbrand is their king though, right? Nobody knows that Halbrand was Sauron except for Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad. So when Kemen came to them and said he wanted a tribute of wood from them, somebody should have piped up to say "We are a soverign kingdom. We have a king. His name is Halbrand. You'll have to talk to him first".
I dont know if people have figured it out yet but the ending of the seasons episode, when you see the elves on the cliff overlooking the river and waterfalls. It looks like Rivendell, no?
Here's an an interesting detail, season 1 made point that orcs can handle sunlight, that why mordor was exist with its volcanic ash notice how they're just fine duringthe siege and looting
Totally agree the Celebrimbor sacrifice was a waste. Why make a big deal of Celebrimbor give the rings away to have them be returned to Sauron so trivially simple and so soon.
Look you just don't get it. These are very important people who don't have time to focus on character motivation, situational awareness, or other meaningless details. Let's also be perfectly honest. The greatest failure of this show was Numenor. They thought that the greatest nation of men, most of whom were beautiful, strong, wise, and around 7 feet tall, was actually just a few blocks filled with people who were apparently hanging out at a Starbucks.
The writers seem to forget that for all their strength, Elves can be harmed or killed. Last season it was Galadriel v. Pyroklastic Flow, which should have killed her very quickly but didn't even injure her; now it's Arondir recovering completely shortly after being stabbed in the chest. I guess it was just a flesh wound...As for Galadriel's fall, one wonders if she had a magic parachute hidden in her pocket or something...
You would think, being a smith himself, that it would have occurred to Sauron to torture Celebrimbor by removing segments of his fingers, one at a time, while describing to him exactly how each removal will inhibit his craft. Just a thought...
I wouldn't say (in this version) that Celebrimbor's sacrifice was pointless. He entrusted Galadriel to get the rings as far away as possible. It's her fault for turning back.
"Many of you may die, but its a sacrifice... I am willing to make!" As for the Celeborn thing, the basic idea was that when he was corrupted he lost his memory and other aspects of his character changed like hair color, etc. It was a stupid theory, yes, but so was them setting up this Aragorn figure to ACTUALLY BE SAURON or whatever. A lot of stuff in this show was REALLY stupid, so it was just another stupid idea people came up with. That's the issue, though. As stupid as it was, it would have justified the existence of Adar's character. Otherwise, he was utterly pointless, it would have been far better for Adar to have been killed at the start of the season and Sauron immediately take over the orcs. (And, well, Adar shouldn't have existed to begin with anyway.)
Fall damage: They do see her hitting one of those tall trees, and people have survived falling off a plane thanks to hitting some branches on their way down (sloping, deep snowbanks are the favorite, though). So it is possible, but in the follow-up there is no indication that broken bones would be any issue, just the stab wound so that they can have a 'morgul blade'-like moment. So yeah, still crap, but at least they put a tree in there to make it at least slightly plausible. Better would have been to have her glance down and then jump deliberately to aim for that tree, feet first, rather than just dive backwards. And Sauron couldn't, you know, just walk down there or send the orcs there to get the ring? Edit: Heh, later on you bring up this exact point of her not having taken any damage from the fall.
That woman who fell off s Plane survived because she fell into a dense jungle and Bushes. Does where Galadriel lays look anything like it? Also that one in a Billion chance. Why even write yourself into a dumb scenario like that? A clever person would never write that shit you know that.
I felt the same pain you did watching this disaster, letting lore aside this series is terrible in storylines, writings, dialogs, sense of times and distances (no one can know how far or how near are things), silly characters doing silly things just to move the story and at the end it doesn't, good is it's over for some years so we can recover, great analysis
Really enjoyed your commentary on this season. More than the show itself, that's for sure. Talking about the healing properties of the rings...Wasn't it Mithril itself that healed corruption? Shouldn't the balrog being surrounded by all that mithril be healed of it's corruption?
Re: Book-burning What did you expect orcses to do? :) Given that they are happily slaughtering every elf that they come across, as well as already burning buildings, this deliberate bonfire seems... extra. Why go through that trouble if you are burning the whole city to the ground anyway? You are going through all this trouble just to piss off Elrond in particular? Why? How would the orcs know this would upset him so and why would they bother? It is not even so that they can make a big event out of it, neither Adar nor Sauron is here. To me, this came off very hamfisted, in the "they are taking our jobs" kinda way.
It's like they forgot to show any meaningful reason why Eregion's fall is tragic and in the last minute decided to throw a "Look it's like the burning of Alexandria, such a loss"
I swear the writers just ship Galadriel and Elrond. I thought it since season 1. I mean I guess Tolkein did have that scrapped idea of Galadriel being Elrond’s wife from his old notes but then decided on Celeborn. I know they mentioned Celeborn once but it feels they ship Elrond and Galadriel. The kiss did not make it apparent it was an act or platonic so a general audience is going to just assume Galadriel and Elrond are in love and not even remember they mentioned Celeborn.
did anyone notice that Elrond looks into the camera at the audience? The creators of the show said they wanted to linger on that moment because its like Elrond is communing with the audience :)
Gandalf = Grand Elf is them trying to do a Hodor = hold the door, name turns out to be an abbreviation moment. In much the same way as "the sea is always right" was them copying "what is dead can never die" because the island-based faction needs a cool slogan... everything about this show is derivative.
Omg, that last fight between Galandrial and Sauron is their Luke Vs Vader in empire!! Same thing w the ending, the way it ends w characters facing into the horizon.
I was getting pretty nervous about the Celeborn thing, too. I thought they were really going to go there. I mean, if it's going to be that bad anyway, might as well just go all in and really ham up the cringe.
This reminds me of watching Wheel of Time book fans do reviews in S1 and slowly getting crushed as episodes went by, except you knew what S1 was here, so not as bad
In terms of the Orcs turning to Sauron and betraying Adar: As I understand it, the Orcs didn't hear Sauron's speech because they are not immortal. They have never met Sauron, and after 1000 years he's probably only a nightmarish tale that Adar tells. However, that doesn't justify in any way that they turn against Adar off screen and join Sauron whom they don't know and of whom they've been warned of all this time. If Sauron somehow used magic to turn them to his side, the show needed to show that, as you said. The Orc plotline is an absolute mess.
Where does it state there was 1000 years between these events? The show never depicts much time happening between Saurons death and him ending up as Halbrand on the boat.
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I dont know if people have figured it out yet but the ending of the seasons episode, when you see the elves on the cliff overlooking the river and waterfalls. It looks like Rivendell, no?
@@AlaniTheScriptMage Gurthang inspired? I'll have to check it out regardless. Sounds like an awesome concept and I trust that it's original and not dumb, unlike this show. Your commentary is insightful: I trust your novel most be insightful too!
Also, you have to ask, "Who is Manwe?"
To the best of my knowledge, at no point has this series introduced any of the deeper lore of Tolkien. Legally they can't, because they only have the rights to the appendices in the Lord of the Rings, not the Silmarillion.
Can't wait to see the balrogs sad back story and who they ship him with.
the only reason the balrog works rn is because they cant give him lines yet. So please don't.
That would have to be Disa. I see a Twilight-level love triangle potential here. On the other hand, Durin has his Elrond already.
I know right? He is so 'smoking' hot. Probably going to have a harem of dwarf women.
@@kreese-yi2nb he does want his meat raw.
They'll fall in love with the Entwives. Then the Entwives will run away from their boring slow to do something ent husbands (that's why they don't know where they are). But the love between Entwives and Balrogs is a tragic one since if they actually touch each other the Balrogs will burn up the Entwives. So sad.
She's like the Teacher who wants to pass you but can't find any place to put marks
The number of "okays", "fines" and "anyways" you had to use in this review is the best testament of how shabby that whole Amazon endeavor was.
I really appreciate the call out for the one real elf who died after 4 seconds of parkour. 100% agree. Fantastic shot that only served to show how unbelievably ridiculous the rest of this abomination is. Keep up the great work!
Except, you kbow, no archer worth his salt is going to give up the advantage of both elevation and cover in exchange for looking cool.
It feels like a different team did that shot, it's so different to the quality of the rest of the show.
Or like, a real stuntman was visiting the set that day and said "Here, let me show you how it should be done."
"There's no stakes in this Sauron vs Galadriel fight!"
At this point, I just wanted them NOT TO KISS! That was the stakes for my sanity!
Ahahahahaha I’m with you
How many seasons will they bait them kissing when they have no good reason to be around each other??
This ep is pretty much a perfect summary of the show - essential story happening off screen, characters behaving like ciphers, lots of "look it's the thing! From the film!" rather than actual storytelling, pointless action that they somehow think they've made meaningful, dumb reveals, and a couple of nice CGI shots. It's on me at this point for watching, which I probably won't with season 3. And the amazing thing about the Gandalf reveal was they even set up "Gand" referring to his staff earlier on, but they decided that they should focus on "Grand" instead?! These writers are something special.
“Okay so in this scene Adar’s gonna stab you, like twice in the chest, super brutal, then you fall to the ground”
“Oh man, it’s not lookin too hot for old Arondir”
“Kay so in this next scene you’re gonna be kickin around, doin the old thing like grrrrr”
“Oh I’m not dead?”
lol imagine if next season starts with Isildur almost reaching Numenor but jumping off the ship and trying to swim back to his girlfriend?
I wish the Rings of Power TV show had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
So do all who live to see such trash. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is how to meme the content that is given to us.
I love you guys.
All we have to decide is what to watch with the time that is given to us. (Not this.)
@@Mojo179You nailed it man😂😂😂😂 RoP is like „The Room“ from Tommy Wiseau.
@@blackwolf4653Rooms of Power. To be followed by a spinoff focusing on the eagles fighting climate change in Middle Earth: Birdemic-nor, Shire and Terror.
This whole show felt like a theatre group from high school wrote it and they couldn’t agree on anything.
There is absolutely several shoots and reshoots due to several scripts. The Editing crew had a field day.
@@RunesandReapers its like they want all the actors to be equally honorable and powerful, doesnt matter If its a random hobbit or the elven King
They are some other characteristics that do matter still? For example men cry much more often than women in this show 😅
"I don't want to talk about the last jedi. We're gonna move on." Already loved your commentary but that sealed it lol.
Why portray the burning of books as a bad thing when this whole show is essentially the burning of Tolkien’s lore?
Symbolism right
I'm pretty sure some Amazon rebel stuck that bit in there as an FU to bezos for using Tolkien as a money laundering scam because it's not PC enough for him. Grrrr
Okay, I wasn't expecting the Dragon Age Inquisition reference. You really are a woman of culture.
Next season:
Elendil - ‘Hey there’s a Door over there!’
Isildur - ‘Huh.. that’s weird. The doors gone’.
Elendil - ‘Doors Gone? Door… Gone.. Door. Gone. Doooorrrr Goooon..’
Isildur - ‘Are.. are you ok?’
Elendil - ‘DooorGonnn’
Isildur - ‘oh by Numenor he’s having a stroke!’
Elendil - ‘DorGon…. Gone…. Door… Gooonnndooorr GONDOR! We shall build a city here! And it shall be named: GONDOR!’
Isildur - ‘he did have a stroke.. A STROKE OF GENIUS!’
For the most expensive show in history, everything they do is CHEAP!! That's what I'd call it, CHEAP!
Examples:
1. The dwarves delving too deep and freeing the Balrog; What comes to mind is seeing 1000s of dwarves, operating heavy iron works and vast groups using picks, working in a frenzy, delving into the mountain in the most epic way. What we got? One dwarf, hammering away on a six inch wall between the dwarven kingdom and the vast caverns of Mithril, and the Balrog. CHEAP!
2. The battle of Eregion; Should have been an epic battle of thousands of Orcs and Elves fighting in the plain the initial Elf cavalry charge started in. What we got? That entire cavalry charge completely halted because the Orcs had one person prisoner. (There was a WHOLE lot more wrong with that whole thing, but I won't get into it). CHEAP!
3. The Orcs betraying Adar to fight for Sauron. What should've happened when Glug and company entered the room with Sauron was Sauron shifting his image, growing larger than life, wearing his crown and armor, and pure evil rolling off of him in waves, terrifying the Orcs and him domineering their minds into submission and evil thoughts. It should've displayed this evil shock ripple throughout all the Orc horde to show they were ALL dominated by Sauron. What we got? Sad, tearful Sauron doing....nothing. The Orcs just switched...no reason and, imperceptibly, all of them at once. CHEAP!
4. Fatal injuries meaning nothing. Galadriel falling from a cliff, Arondir clearly being killed in EP07, (not to mention the fatal wound Galadriel received from Sauron's crown), some random diversified Elf girl being pin cushioned with arrows, only to epically shoot and blow up a completely insignificant piece of machinery, (it wasn't the battering ram, because that was used in the fight with the Ogre). CHEAP!
5. The only people shipping anyone in this show is the show runners, and feeling proud enough about it to gloat about it in every interview they get. Galadriel and Halbrand, Arondir and Bronwyn, Kemen and Eärien, Isildur and Estrid, Galadriel and Elrond (?), and maybe Miriel and Elendil (?). However, not one relationship we see is deep enough to feel. CHEAP!
I could go on. The list is almost endless.
Not forgetting Adar and Galadriel: that ring exchange & breathy "Adar". I was almost rather jealous since he's so damn hot.
Arondir also got shot by an arrow before Adar stabs him. Adar grabs onto the arrow in Arondir's chest and then stabs him.
Haha! Completely forgot he has *two* near mortal wounds
11:30 The thing is, he knew he had only one arrow remaining, and instead of getting some more from the dead comrade lying next to him and staying on the rampart, where he has a good view of the enemy and he's relatively protected, he decides to slide down the roof to shoot his last arrow at ground level, completely exposed. What was the plan after that? He didn't even have a sword! Cool-looking moment, terrible battle IQ 😅
Injuries don't matter in this show. Isildur got stabbed in the leg down to the hilt also, he made a joke about it and immediately fell in love, then it was never mentioned again
At least the Durin didn't look at the camera and said "for Durin" and than charged to balrog
Haha. I think that would have broken me.
@@AlaniTheScriptMage Yeah , but that was inspiration for that scene.
Clearly these writers don't care or know anything about Tolkien (written at least) ..it's really just a poor attempt to mirror LOTR movies in most awkward way possible.
Don‘t give them ideas
@@blackwolf4653 You don't need to. They steal ideas.
It’s revealed that offscreen Sauron forced Celebrimbor to watch Rings of Power
The ultimate torture indeed!
Charlotte Brändström actually said in an interview the Galadriel/Sauron fight had what basically was a romance note to it, so basically confirming they literally put a tumblr fanfic on screen. Thanks, just what I needed! :D
“It was really important that we felt the tension, the provocations, and how destabilized she felt because she was very much in love with Halbrand…”
and again
“I mean, there was almost like a love story. He really seduced her. He really got into her head and it destabilized her, so she knows she needs to be strong and stand up to him.”
Fair enough: it's from an interview for entertainment weekly, but still.
Gross
RIP Celeborn
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t who? /s
I kinda can't wait to see the mental gymnastics they are gonna try to pull in order to reel that part back in, lmao.
Oh dear lord… the fight was so disjointed and awkward and .. not exciting idk how they think there’s a romantic element do it. Galadriel was just angry the whole time anyway and seemed 100% done with Sauron, halbrand or not.
@@ollipoppinjust watch them say somehow someway Adar was Celeborn
35:42 Correction, Elves don't take fall damage unless your name is Mirdania
Good point!
Mirdania had a much shorter fall too.....
@@TheCraftyNinjaSculptsTo be fair she lived through the fall...'twas the Ork axe to the head what done for her.
@@annabizaro-doo-dah True but she was definitely visibly injured before that
How did she even know Narsil was there? Isn't she blind? She even turned her head towards it.
She seems to sense a lot of things. Like steps. Edges of piers. Either she has magical help or the writers don't know what "blind" means.
I can relate to your frustration, I felt the exact way and had the same thoughts while watching this series. As smart viewers, we're pointing out the lack of logic and sense in the scenes, the absence of experienced professionals in areas like architecture, engineering etc... And the poor quality in acting, scripting, editing, and directing...
As a Tolkien fan, this is just all so ridiculous, regardless of the show.
Thanks for watching so i don't have to.
It feels like there were just too many writers without communication. What was even the purpose of the "trial by sea" if the queen is just going to remain and Farazond be made king?
Just a pointless plotline that lead nowhere.
And, that archer absolutely stole the show. I rewound just to do a double take, that was just absolutely peak.
Your the best reviewer of this by far ! You have a natural talent for it. Thank you very much ❤ 🇬🇧
I like your explanation of why the scene between the Durins feels hollow. I felt absolutely nothing for the elder Durin or his sacrifice but couldn't exactly say why. But it's as you say, him sacrificing himself for his son wasn't properly set up. There weren't any scenes in the last 2 season to give the impression that he had any real fatherly regard for him at all. The only emotion I felt throughout it was bamboozlemet as to why any of this way happening at all
I would love to listen and talk with you hours and hours about all the nonsense. I feel so near to all the things you say in your videos...i dont know but you are the best thing i discover with this show❤
Great analysis as always. Very cathartic to have someone else acknowledge all the weird decisions and annoying lore breaks this show puts forth. I think you covered pretty much everything and that bit where you looked up the fanfics was hilarious. (I'm pretty sure that harem fic would have been more entertaining than what we got lol) Anyway, can't wait for the Rohirrim show that's coming out just so I can see your review on it because I'm pretty sure its going to take just as many liberties with the lore as this dumpster fire.
Ar-Pharazôn: Look, everyone! We conveniently found a piece of paper that says the faithful are bad!
32:20 It's such a weak fight sequence. First it shows Galadriel practically levitating up and down in a way elves don't do in this world but then, moments later, she slides down off the rock and seems stunned and winded. Like, which is it? She's either a parkour master or a sack of potatoes.
It's all clearly contrived to first show she's a mighty warrior and then to put her at Sauron's mercy, making the whole sequence a farce.
This was the episode where I fiinally wondered why they didn't try to hire someone like Katheryn Winnick to play Galadriel. I feel like she could have played a more unknowable, elf-like G. Based on her past roles at least she knows how to emote strong emotions without contorting her face into a snarl - like certain people. She might have been perfect, and she is also a martial arts person. But you don't even have to assume that would make her much better at the action stuff - just look at her past work. Then maybe they could have actually done a badass single combat scene between Galadriel and Sauron - biggest missed opportunity yet. If you HAVE to make G a warrior princess then do it right - is all I'm saying. They wrote G into this one on one confrontation with Sauron, and she even has her magic ring and a sword, and then it is just a flabby, spineless scene - coitus interruptus! So dissapointed. Lagertha would have put that sword though Halbrand's face without a second thought. 😛
Not to be a linguist nazi, but the origin of the name given to him was GAND-elf, NOT grand-elf. As in GAND (aka a wand). Totally different linguistic roots - old Norse vs French/Romance - with professor T. rolling in his grave. Even the hobbits said in a previous episode "he's looking for a gand". So it is their OWN internal terminolgy, not just the lore. Just more sloppiness. They could have had him pick up the "gand" that was literally lying right there at his feet FIRST, and then all the proto-hobbits could say "look, he's a GAND Elf". In really great TV series and great movies where they care about details you can go back and notice new, fully intentional, meaningful details you previously missed on the 5th viewing. In shlock like this you get distracted by multiple discordant details on the first viewing. Not only do they not care about Tolkien, apparently they don't care about THEIR show either.
Most great TV shows don’t care to get bogged down with the origins of names at all. It’s all so vapid.
@@ItsSVO I think the main problem here is that both seasons they were bending over backwards, and from my point of view wasting valuable opportunities to do other things they really NEEDED to be doing in the story, just to set up first their non-reveal Sauron "reveal", and then their non-reveal Gandalf "reveal". Both of which came out incredibly lame IMHO. So for example the writers can't just have the proto-hobbits call him "gand elf" (too on the nose) as that would "spoil" the big reveal at Bombadil's house - proving that the average viewer is way smarter than these writers. Case in point - when the hobbit throws Gandalf's soon-to-be-gand off the cart earlier in the scene, instead of it being something you subtly realize on a second viewing, it instantly screams "Gandalf!" to most viewers on account of its head (unnessisarily) being a blatant, near literal ripoff of his staff from the Jackson movies. I wonder if they also got the rights from Jackson's prop department first? But everything was thrown out of whack by the setups - the plot had multiple points where it strained reasonableness to the breaking point, there were glaring plot holes a cave troll could blunder through, and even the continuity suffered - all apparently to prop up the stupid idea that they need to have big "surpize" reveal moments. Given the end results it is obvious the sacrifies would not have been worth it EVEN if these reveals came off as genuine surprizes. But both "surpirzes" were aready %100 DOA when they played out.
Great breakdowns, been really enjoying them. I gave up after S1 and have been following the show vicariously through videos like yours.
I have a feeling it's not the last we'll see of the proto-Hobbits. I think next season will pick up with Nori and her new tribe (possibly in a completely separate storyline again). I really think their planning to show the establishment of the Shire.
My main issue with this series is that they're screwing things up for any potential future productions. It feels like they were so desperate to add all the Easter eggs they can so they scoured the books for anything they could take, and then crammed them in with no context or regard for the original story, and in doing so have made it impossible for them to be used again in any actually decent show. I could put up with this in isolation, but....
Completely agree. They're really shooting themselves in the foot.
In 10 to 15 years time we might get another show, or film series that will probably scrap RoP as non cannon in order to try to tell a better story. But is a shame that with the massive budget they had this is the best they could come up with script wise :(
What worries me is that no one will be able to afford to buy it from Bezos.
Wow. An articulate, precise, and downright great analysis. Thank you!
This is truely and incredible show, im blown away by how good it is. Oscar winning performance by Galadriel
I loved you giving Sauron his performance review!
Great commentary as always the one that got me was about Sauron skewering Celebrimbor LMAO
We know Alani loves her torture lmao
@@sydniecamassar4030 and the,,,, fic implications
Celebrimbor/Sauron fics are a different breed.
Lol. I don't *love* torture, but I do love mind shenanigans and we were robbed of Sauron telepathy. I won't stand for it!
@@AlaniTheScriptMage robbed I say!!
Sauron's resume has listed "Excel" in Skills.
I am dead 🤣
To quote from this stupid show itself
“ _Some things can’t be fixed. Some things lost are lost forever. No matter how hard we fight, how much it hurts, or how much our hearts yearn to put them back together. Cause this world’s so much bigger than any of us. And sometimes the winds blowing against us are just too strong. At those times we’ve just got to accept it. What’s broke is broke and won’t fix. And all anybody can do is try and build something new_ .”
Perfectly sums up Rings of Power itself. It can't be fixed at this point, Amazon should just accept it, cancel the show, fire all the writers and never hire them again for anything, learn the lessons of how it failed, and move on.
I did laugh when you said “fall damage” 😂
What an incredible, in-depth analysis! So specific on every point!
love how the balrog went to sleep after the durin thing and then everyone forgot about it
love how arondir doesnt have any signs of injury in his armor/shirt either
love all the timetravelling or teleportation during the siege of eregion
love how the caves of moria are super thin and that all the rubble from mining just disappears instantly
The way Durin leaps at the Balrog with the axe reminded my of Matthew McConnaghy leaping at the dragon at the end of Reign of Fire. Except that was cool, had context and was well set up.
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What i really like about this episode is that it's about as long as an actual episode of Rings of Power, but it's much more enjoyable!
Concerning stabbing of Arondir (or not)
I'dguessthe scenes were recorded the other way around and when they did the fight someone uttered, "hey, what's cool if Arondir gets stabbed by Adar!" And everyone shouts, Yeah lets do it!!
Noone cares about the narrative in this shitshow anyways .
You clocked almost everything that annoyed me lol. The only thing I'm troubled by that nobody talks about is "what broke the ring's spell on King Durin?" Was it the sight of the Balrog? Did he bump his noggin and snap him out of it? I only ask because they made such a big deal out of its spell over him. Even Durin's touching arm-wrestling story didn't work. Did I miss something?
ROP should just be Stunt Archer Guy and Berek and their awesome adventures! Can we have that?
Arondir's level of stamina (stabbina?) in this episode easily matched that of Jaime Lannister in Season 8 of GoT. Commendable.
Re: Balrog
They could have made it more epic and also explain why the dwarves basically ignored it for thousands of years by having Durin III actually land a blow on the Balrog's head, and both fall into the 'bottomless chasm', with cave-in happening. Then they could say: "Welp, good thing our great king killed that beastie. Back to business as usual."
I guess they could assume that the explosion would have taken care of that as well, but where the heck did that explosion come from? What was Durin III's axe made out of? Subcritical uranium? Also, what the heck was Durin III swinging at in that scene? Clearly not the Balrog's head, and the swing starts way before the Balrog's swing.
That would have made way more sense.
Legs diff. Balrog was like 40 meter away. And dwarves can bearly be tossed for 5!
IF the Balrog didn't swing out of mercy, Durin would have died by falling of a cliff.
Why was there even an explosion? Was TNT on thaz Axe or Wip?
Kemen is also probably remembering he killed Valandil (though no one else ever mentions him afterwards) and just realized he's in trouble if Isildur ever finds out.
Arondir being inexplicably alive makes no sense. He was stabbed and surrounded by orcs on a battlefield. There is nothing to suggest Gil-Galad did the ring healing bit on him, and yet he's up and fighting like they did!
I honestly forgot he killed Valandil and the show runners probably did too. I figured Kemen was behaving that way due to Elendil’s trial
.My boy the archer impressed my hard to please archer husband, too! Also: glad i wasnt the only one who noticed the layout of the city randomly change😮
If Nenya’s ring had this much healing power why couldn’t she heal Frodo lol. Why have this stupid Morgoth’s crown object when we know what happened to it! The show runners are given such a long leash on stuff they can use from different letters and stories but they blatantly use an artifact that’s currently in the Void!
Stay away Balrog proves once again, "Out of sight, out of mind". We'll see you in the 3rd Age, bud.
This show, Amazon, and all the people who worked on it, do not deserve and did not earn your generous patience and kind review.
Next season "Dark Wizard" will find his true name when someone declares him to be a "Sour Man".
Please please have Durins brother also be called Durin 😂
He is Saruman at this point. If the stranger is Gandalf. He’s definitely Saruman. Especially the way the actor is using his voice.
Old friend..
When Cleabrimbor says something like 'I foresee one will bring your demise' or something like that, I don't think he means Frodo; I think he means The One Ring.
Such a comment would require wisdom and insight never displayed by the character, but nice analysis.
To conclude: you have to imagine the interesting stuff off-screen. This show truly stimulates your imagination. Not sure this the right method tough...
Poor Gandalf, they Han Solo-ed him. By the way, this only works in English. How inclusive. In German, it is Groß-Elf. Has a touch of...Großvater - grandfather.
OMG, you went to AO3 to check the tags? You're a queen.
I was just thinking the scene of burning the scrolls with the ring lore is a great metaphor for their basic approach in this series. How do rings of power get made and work? Mystery box. Whoops, the mystery box just went up in smoke. Guess we will just never know.
At this point, all the Southlanders still think that Halbrand is their king though, right? Nobody knows that Halbrand was Sauron except for Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad. So when Kemen came to them and said he wanted a tribute of wood from them, somebody should have piped up to say "We are a soverign kingdom. We have a king. His name is Halbrand. You'll have to talk to him first".
Good point!
Sauron's resume 😂😂😂😂
I dont know if people have figured it out yet but the ending of the seasons episode, when you see the elves on the cliff overlooking the river and waterfalls. It looks like Rivendell, no?
Finally, the review we need.
Here's an an interesting detail,
season 1 made point that orcs can handle sunlight, that why mordor was exist with its volcanic ash
notice how they're just fine duringthe siege and looting
Totally agree the Celebrimbor sacrifice was a waste. Why make a big deal of Celebrimbor give the rings away to have them be returned to Sauron so trivially simple and so soon.
You know what’s crazy? They could STILL claim Adar was Celeborn since he didn’t reveal his elven name
That would be retarded.
Dammit, it could totally happen.
You are exactly right. This episode was so dumb, like most other episodes of this season. Felt my brain melting
Look you just don't get it. These are very important people who don't have time to focus on character motivation, situational awareness, or other meaningless details.
Let's also be perfectly honest. The greatest failure of this show was Numenor. They thought that the greatest nation of men, most of whom were beautiful, strong, wise, and around 7 feet tall, was actually just a few blocks filled with people who were apparently hanging out at a Starbucks.
The writers seem to forget that for all their strength, Elves can be harmed or killed. Last season it was Galadriel v. Pyroklastic Flow, which should have killed her very quickly but didn't even injure her; now it's Arondir recovering completely shortly after being stabbed in the chest. I guess it was just a flesh wound...As for Galadriel's fall, one wonders if she had a magic parachute hidden in her pocket or something...
"Sauron wanted their lead actors unharmed"
They’re framing it like all of the elven rings can heal. They just needed the power of TWO rings to heal galadriel.
Elrond loves her but she loves Sauron. You know it’s coming 😂😂
What a DP?
Do you want irony? Poppy’s son will be called Sméagol.
23:52 yeah I can’t decide if I’m happy he isn’t celeborn or not….because I freakin just want her husband here!!
Same. I feel like if they just brought him back, it might put an end to all this stupid shipping Galadriel's being framed in.
You would think, being a smith himself, that it would have occurred to Sauron to torture Celebrimbor by removing segments of his fingers, one at a time, while describing to him exactly how each removal will inhibit his craft. Just a thought...
I wouldn't say (in this version) that Celebrimbor's sacrifice was pointless. He entrusted Galadriel to get the rings as far away as possible. It's her fault for turning back.
She literally protected Sauron and helped hide him when she didnt reveal who he was at the end of last season. She should be tried for treason.
"Goodbye, Grand Elf".....................................................................................................
"Many of you may die, but its a sacrifice... I am willing to make!"
As for the Celeborn thing, the basic idea was that when he was corrupted he lost his memory and other aspects of his character changed like hair color, etc. It was a stupid theory, yes, but so was them setting up this Aragorn figure to ACTUALLY BE SAURON or whatever. A lot of stuff in this show was REALLY stupid, so it was just another stupid idea people came up with.
That's the issue, though. As stupid as it was, it would have justified the existence of Adar's character. Otherwise, he was utterly pointless, it would have been far better for Adar to have been killed at the start of the season and Sauron immediately take over the orcs. (And, well, Adar shouldn't have existed to begin with anyway.)
Fall damage:
They do see her hitting one of those tall trees, and people have survived falling off a plane thanks to hitting some branches on their way down (sloping, deep snowbanks are the favorite, though). So it is possible, but in the follow-up there is no indication that broken bones would be any issue, just the stab wound so that they can have a 'morgul blade'-like moment. So yeah, still crap, but at least they put a tree in there to make it at least slightly plausible. Better would have been to have her glance down and then jump deliberately to aim for that tree, feet first, rather than just dive backwards.
And Sauron couldn't, you know, just walk down there or send the orcs there to get the ring?
Edit: Heh, later on you bring up this exact point of her not having taken any damage from the fall.
That woman who fell off s Plane survived because she fell into a dense jungle and Bushes. Does where Galadriel lays look anything like it? Also that one in a Billion chance. Why even write yourself into a dumb scenario like that? A clever person would never write that shit you know that.
I felt the same pain you did watching this disaster, letting lore aside this series is terrible in storylines, writings, dialogs, sense of times and distances (no one can know how far or how near are things), silly characters doing silly things just to move the story and at the end it doesn't, good is it's over for some years so we can recover, great analysis
Really enjoyed your commentary on this season. More than the show itself, that's for sure.
Talking about the healing properties of the rings...Wasn't it Mithril itself that healed corruption? Shouldn't the balrog being surrounded by all that mithril be healed of it's corruption?
I‘m looking forward to season three, when Sauron makes his prototype one cock ring of power to impress Galadriel.
Based for moving on from The Last Jedi scebe comparison LOL. That movie is my nightmare.
Listen here, I'm going to need a Dragon Age Inquisition breakdown video ASAP. I expect this now.
Ooh, I probably will do this in the future. I have a *lot* of thoughts on DA:I.
@@AlaniTheScriptMage I must hear these thoughts, especially with The Veilguard around the corner.
Well, guess what, my friend? Today is your lucky day. DA:I video just posted! Enjoy:)
@@AlaniTheScriptMage YESSSS!!! Time to buckle in. Personally, love the game and its story. But will be real interesting hearing your thoughts.
Re: Book-burning
What did you expect orcses to do? :)
Given that they are happily slaughtering every elf that they come across, as well as already burning buildings, this deliberate bonfire seems... extra. Why go through that trouble if you are burning the whole city to the ground anyway? You are going through all this trouble just to piss off Elrond in particular? Why? How would the orcs know this would upset him so and why would they bother? It is not even so that they can make a big event out of it, neither Adar nor Sauron is here.
To me, this came off very hamfisted, in the "they are taking our jobs" kinda way.
It's like they forgot to show any meaningful reason why Eregion's fall is tragic and in the last minute decided to throw a "Look it's like the burning of Alexandria, such a loss"
Elves can fly. Very well hidden transparent wings folded behind their ears. You Tolkien Lore nerds didn't know that?
I swear the writers just ship Galadriel and Elrond. I thought it since season 1. I mean I guess Tolkein did have that scrapped idea of Galadriel being Elrond’s wife from his old notes but then decided on Celeborn. I know they mentioned Celeborn once but it feels they ship Elrond and Galadriel. The kiss did not make it apparent it was an act or platonic so a general audience is going to just assume Galadriel and Elrond are in love and not even remember they mentioned Celeborn.
did anyone notice that Elrond looks into the camera at the audience? The creators of the show said they wanted to linger on that moment because its like Elrond is communing with the audience :)
Gandalf = Grand Elf is them trying to do a Hodor = hold the door, name turns out to be an abbreviation moment. In much the same way as "the sea is always right" was them copying "what is dead can never die" because the island-based faction needs a cool slogan... everything about this show is derivative.
Dear God, you think it's that simple? Like, I have no idea but if it's like you say, these writers are no better that a bad fanfiction writer.
Omg, that last fight between Galandrial and Sauron is their Luke Vs Vader in empire!! Same thing w the ending, the way it ends w characters facing into the horizon.
This whole series is a book burning.
Truth 😢
I was getting pretty nervous about the Celeborn thing, too. I thought they were really going to go there. I mean, if it's going to be that bad anyway, might as well just go all in and really ham up the cringe.
This reminds me of watching Wheel of Time book fans do reviews in S1 and slowly getting crushed as episodes went by, except you knew what S1 was here, so not as bad
In terms of the Orcs turning to Sauron and betraying Adar: As I understand it, the Orcs didn't hear Sauron's speech because they are not immortal. They have never met Sauron, and after 1000 years he's probably only a nightmarish tale that Adar tells.
However, that doesn't justify in any way that they turn against Adar off screen and join Sauron whom they don't know and of whom they've been warned of all this time. If Sauron somehow used magic to turn them to his side, the show needed to show that, as you said. The Orc plotline is an absolute mess.
Where does it state there was 1000 years between these events? The show never depicts much time happening between Saurons death and him ending up as Halbrand on the boat.
You watched the finale . I am so sorry for your loss of brain cells .😂