nono, legolas and gimli are not part of this abominable universe, it does make galadriel kind of a sociopath for killing all the orcs, but then again, thats nothing new
Yeah. Playing the open-world Zelda games, you can see bokoblins and moblins in their camps just hanging out. I even saw a moblin sitting on a ledge admiring the sun. Still doesn't stop me from killing them.
With all the callbacks to Jackson's movies, Rings of Power reminds us that it's never a good idea for a showmaker to remind their audience of a better product.
@@fred20097 in no way Rings of Powers is close to the masterpiece quality of Peter Jackson's movies...ye Peter Jackson added some things that weren't in the books but still the product came out good while Rings of Power are straight up taking names from Tolkien's books and slapping them on random characters to supposedly be the said character while being either never in the books, in the wrong time line or total opposites of the originals
The only thing I miss is Tom Broombadil bringing most iconic Gandalf's line from LOTR. That one line delivery alone was so incerdibly terrible and wrong I paused the show and went out for a walk. "Many living deserve to die and many dying deserve to live. Who are you to decide their faith?" In LOTR Gandalf said that when Frodo made deathwish for Gollum. It. Makes. Sense. In this show however first Gandalf complained to Tom "Where are u dragging me? My friends need me. They will die without me" and Tom Baobabdil makes this stupid random reference. And it sounds like "If ther're gonna die they're gonna be die. Why do you care? You have your own shit to do". Aside from that... Great job!
I agree 100% with this. I actually original did have this scripted but cut it because I didn’t want to spend too much time on the hobbit/wizard arc and wanted to focus in more on the other storylines. Thanks for watching!
Bro you wrote half of a point because the rest is the fact that we do in the end get to decide the fate of each other. Like how gandalf decide to save the harfoots. He told frodo this line to make frodo think about consequences, not to say they don't kill. THEY LITERALLY KILL GOLLUM IN THE MOVIE.
@@abelchavez2463They don't kill Gollum in the movie. What movie did you watch? And the line makes no sense here as Gandalf wasn't wishing death or deciding death for anyone else
@@abelchavez2463 Bro didn't watch the same LotR as everyone else. Who killed Gollum? Please, tell me which character in the film "literally kills gollum." I'll wait.
@@evghb @histguy101 You guys don't remember when Frodo unsheathed his Morgul blade to run Gollum through while cursing Smegle and stating "This is my Marsh now, so says my Harfoot heritage. You keep what you kill?"
you forgot the dumbest part. when galadriel is sneaking out and arondir saves her. Arondir offers to sacrifice himself to kill Adar. This would effectively end the siege as the orcs wouldn’t have a leader. Allowing Galadriel and Elrond to get to the city safer to stop Sauron. This action would complete all of galadriels immediate goals and she fucking tells Arondir not to do it because “we don’t need another dead elf today.” Holy shit Galadriel every second the siege goes on elves are dying. Plus this entire siege is already her fault and now she’s actively participating in keeping it going. It’s so damn stupid in so many ways.
It's like they saw Aragorn have pity on Grima, so they just did the same with their MC. Most sensible interpretation: she didn't think he could do it and was talking about Arondir as the "dead elf".
I like to think it's because Galadriel feared that orcs without Addar would go and side with Sauron making bad situation worse. Orcs follow the strongest after all. But this season is devoided of logic and Galadriel is so far the main villain of the story not The Big S.
Arondir does go to fight Adar and gets killed almost immediately. I don't know why anyone thinks Galadriel and Arondir can take on Adar's entire army by themselves, lol.
@@nm2358 they don’t have to take on the entire army. Galadriel sneaks away and arondir kills adar, sacrificing himself in the process. Would’ve been a great way to wrap up his story but instead he just waits and gets stabbed in the stomach (only to be totally fine lol)
@CodyKenny777 Arondir literally died when he tried fight Adar one on one, lol. The only reason Arondir pops back up is a deleted scene when Ring-Deux-Machina is used to restore him to life like shown with Galadriel. And they're in the middle orc encampment; yeah, that's cunning strategy, but outright insane stupidity. In in Tolkien's run of the conflict here, it takes the combined forced the Dwarfs, Elves and Numenor to defeat the orcs here. I have no idea why you think Adar is sitting duck here that isn't defended or can't defend himself - despite being one of oldest beings on this planet - a fullblown survivor of the previous war as one of Morgoth's first orcs.
Morgoth's crown was taken from him by the Valar when they defeated him, and it was beaten into a collar when he was chained in the Void. Its still around his neck, if it wasn't, it would be the literal apocalypse. I hate that this writing team is incapable of doing a google search.
Well they simply weren't allowed to use the actual lore because they don't have the rights to that. The sensible thing would have been to just make this the crown of sauron, not the crown of morgoth. Or if they absolutly had to have a direct connection to morgoth in the crown then make it a crown forged from a splinter of morgoth's crowns that broke off in the battle between morgoth and orome.
@tranquilthoughts7233No dude the sensible thing would’ve been for them to abort this horrible, disgusting aberration of a show before it ever started pre production, nevermind filming. Shame on you for watching it even if it’s just to hate watch; Tolkien would be so disappointed
In an interview with a LotR RUclipsr, the screenwriters said they hadn’t decided to make Not-Gandalf to be Gandalf until _after_ finishing season 1. Think about that for a moment. Amazon has a 5 season contract for this show, and the writers are apparently just winging it. It’s just like when Disney bought Star Wars. No long term plans.🙈
If the dark wizard IS Saruman then nothing makes sense cuz he’s so clearly bad in this show. How would he deceive Gandalf (like he does in lotr) if Gandalf already knows he’s evil 😭. I kind of feel like the slow descent of Saruman was supposed to be symbolic of how good people could become corrupted by power. But my guy seems evil from the get go (at least according to the show).
it's frankly more revolting because it's so painfully obvious that it's only there to bait either rage from actual fans, or shipping fantasies from internet weirdos. Plot wise i know it was supposedly a distraction..... one the most obvious hand off ever seen on film... but the way it was shot was specifically so it could be clipped entirely out of context The fact that this is how low the show will sink just to get attention is kind of nauseating.
I _genuinely_ cant look at it. Its gross for reasons I can't even fully explain. It cant even just be because shes his future mother in law, because I watch House Of the Dragon just fine and they're all straight up blood relatives. Its just....its _Elrond_ and _Galadriel,_ you know?
"Amazon doesn't understand fantasy". Yeah I think that's a good way of summarizing it. Or they don't understand High Fantasy. Tolkien and even Wheel Of Time are VERY different beasts from Game of Thrones, where the "meat of the matter" is politics and character-driven drama. And the whole of RoP is driven by "dream logic", some of the most egregious of which you point out. At times you wonder if they're even trying to make any sense.
Having black ppl on a TV show is def not “politics-driven.” It’s a result of the pilgrims bringing black ppl to this land. U ppl expect TV shows to be a worship fest focused on donOLD w/ MAGAt flags everywhere.
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I think they are trying not to make sense. Randomly generated content would be way more realistic.
Having celebrian as the main character instead of galadriel would definitely have solved so many problems. Not much was written about her during the second age so she was a blank canvas to work with.
For me it's not even that they break the lore in every episode, it's that they do it badly, and the writing is dumb. Also, the Numenorians all look like potatoes. Ar-Pharazon in particular reminds me more of Jack Black rather than what is supposed to be an absolute Chad of peak human society.
I mean breaking the lore is bad, but I could accept it if it was at least internally consistent… but they can’t even keep track of their own lore of 10 episodes
I cannot imagine one of them marching strong against Mordor as they did at the start of Fellowship. The RoP Numenorians would have screamed their souls out runnning around like headless chickens...
What's amazing is Tolkien already worked out solutions to so many of these plot problems. For example, Tolkien wrote that Sauron's original plan was for all the rings to be given to elves, and Celebrimbor made the rings under that pretense. It was only when Sauron realized the elves would not wear the rings as they could feel his influence that Sauron decided to try giving rings to other races. And also, Tolkien wrote that Galadriel could sense something was wrong with Annatar but was not listened to because he seemed kind and she had no proof. And she only had a feeling, zero idea that he would be Sauron. In that environment, it makes way more sense she would go unheard. I could go on, but it's amazing the show changes so much only to become far worse and totally non-sensical.
Small quibble though, in Middle-Earth oaths tend to be magically binding. Not in the sense that you can't break them, in the sense that breaking them makes the reality punish you for it. See the dead men of Dunharrow, Gollum's oath to Frodo (and Frodo's subsequent cursing of Gollum).
This show is a/the perfect example of the validity of the saying _"the characters in a story can only be as smart as the person(s) writing the story"._ Which proves why this channel is good, while RoP is anything but.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x nobody ever said anythng about 'moral arbiters'.... just morally consistent. That's kind of the thing you expect from every other functional adult, to have some sort of consistent morality This show is all over the place in the weirdest of ways. Sometimes it's trying to make some point (the orcs aren't bad, it's just a matter of perspective) but other times will do literally anything for shock value (you 'member Glug, right? well Sauron just killed him to look evil, ain't Sauron cool?)
@@NicoleStevensHays11x the best myths and legends tell a moral story, or have a lesson to teach. we are talking about thousands of years of heroic stories here. talk about profoundly ignorant statements about literature. yours takes the prize.
It's not terrible that the Eagles of Manwë do not speak. Jackson did not give them dialogue (nor the raven in The Hobbit) and it is probably the correct decision for visual drama. There may be no way to portray speech without it looking at least a little silly and distracting. But the Númenoreans are inexplicable. Do they honor the Valar, and the Eagles? (never mind the sea monster) What, then, is the basis of the divide between the Faithful and the King's Men? Seemingly, it is just a power struggle, merely politics. There is only one moment in which envy of the immortality of the Elves is expressed, but it is made to seem a personal quirk of Pharazon, not an important motivation of the people's actions.
I lowkey kinda wish he'd made them talk, only because of Gwahirs line after saving Gandalf "I came to bear messages, not burdens". Like buddy, you were flying that way _anyways_ and your friend was imprisoned by an evil wizard, why are you being such a bitch about this? I love it. He definitely _acts_ like a creature that only answers to the king of the Valar
i'd also point out that Pharazon is king because....uhh, Eagle... which means his legitimacy is entirely depends on the religious beliefs of the Numenoreans the show conveniently never actually explains But then the next season these same religious Numenoreans, the only ones who'd defend his right to rule, are now being persecuted for reasons the shows also never bothers to explain. You're just supposed to assume it's because that's what cartoon villains do. The Numenoreans aren't merely confusing, they are, to a man, complete idiots.
Life-long Tolkien fan here: I think the writers that were hired for this show did not have any prior knowledge of LOTR, and so chaos ensues. They are learning the lore on-the-fly.
Ar-Pharazon had some ENORMOUS shoes to fill. 1 - The army he leads to middle earth is so large, Sauron and all his forces don't even bother trying to fight them. 2 - The army he leads to Valinor is so powerful and so large, Tolkien says that even the Valar are in "real peril" from these human forces. 3 - A king that could inspire and lead such armies would have to be powerful in his own right, as well as highly charismatic.
The only thing you need when building on an established lore: 1. Do the changes break or radically change the lore? 2. If yes, is the change a better story? They should tattoo that on the fore head of every person associated with Dune, Got, LotR, Star Trek or Star Wars (and other beloved franchises...)
The problem remains Amazon's insistence ono cramming 4000 years of history into a year. The subtlety to seduce Ar Pharazon should have taken seasons. For Celebrimbor, likewise.
Agreed. My opinion is they always should have made this series an anthology where each season covers a different time period and story in the second age.
23:15 I'm so glad you brought up the fact that he has no reason to manipulate Celebrimbor where he can make them himself or just go to Kazad Dum and Numenor if he insists on making them with people. It's possibly the biggest logical hole in this season's plot that hardly anyone has brought up. You've given some of the best breakdown's of this show's nonsense, which is saying a lot, because there are a lot! You give just the right balance of covering all the major points while keeping it concise, and not giving it more charity than it deserves while also not getting so carried away mocking everything that you overlook where it actually holds up.
Sauron creates ring magic in this universe, using Celebrimbor as his mortal instrument to create them in Tolkien's work; but that's because Sauron trying to corrupt the Elves and because Celebrimbor has literal god given talent for crafting magical items outright. Dwarves and Humans are Sauron's side projects as far as corruption - so while Sauron can get the Mithral over to mount Doom and start forging rings (and to be honest, I think that does actually happen if I remember right, where there are more rings made than the main ones Sauron uses to attempt the subjugation of Middle Earth) but these main rings were created using the god-given talent Celebrimbor had for Sauron's purposes intentionally. Its not just Sauron needs more rings, he ultimately wants Middle Earth, starting with the Elves who defeated him.
@nm2358 But he's already made the elven rings, so he's already accomplished his goal with them, and if you mean he was corrupting the elves by working with them, then why was he preparing to destroy the ones he was working with before he even showed up? And what God-given gifts? Sauron's literally the one who tells Celebrimbor how to make alloys, this guy's totally incompetent and Sauron could totally do this himself.
@@justthinkingoutloud2538he hasn’t because he wasn’t able to taint the Elven rings. Did you read the book or learn any lore before watching rings of power?
@yulien568 Have you? You do know that in the lore, the elven rings were made by Celebrimbor without Sauron's influence after he learned how to make them from Sauron's help making the 16, hence the 3 being uncorrupted, but still tied to the One Ring, right? They screwed up the whole timeline by switching everything up for no good reason, and now nothing makes sense. Get out of your Dunning-Kreuger Effect before assuming we must be the idiots for not liking this this crap.
@justthinkingoutloud2538 the problem is, when the elven rings are made doesn't matter to the story, so getting mad at a dramatic story telling change is pointless.
I REALLY needed them to show where different places are on the map. Where’s Eregion? How far away is it from Lindon? Where’s Isildur? Is he closer to Lindon or Eregion? How far away is Mordor from both Lindon and Eregion? Why does it look like Sauron just walked from Eregion to Mordor and then back to Eregion in the same time that it took Galadriel and Elrond to ride from Eregion to Lindon? Do the orcs start in Mordor and then walk to Eregion? Please show me the map 😭😭
The problem with the show is that all of these events are happening at the same time when they are supposed to happen in consecutive order. Sauron is at the center of each event, but he can't be in two places at once, so someone else has to lead the Orc army to Oregion, the Dwarf King has to drive himself insane, and Al-Pharazon has to decide he hates the Valar on his own. The format Amazon chose for the show is what's destroying it. In Season 2, it's very clear that the showrunners got an order from the Powers That Be at Amazon to re-align the show with Tolkien's lore. They probably got the rights to the Silmarillion too. Unfortunately, they screwed up the lore, and specifically the sequence of events, so much in Season 1 that there is no logical and natural way to get back to the lore. All they can do is make THEIR fan fiction more and more convoluted and confusing.
One thing I hated about 2nd season was how small they made Eregion seem, it felt like the smallest place ever and everything happened around the tower.
Right? Like, I _understand_ why stuff was changed or cut from LOTRs. I get that they couldnt have the hobbits come back to a war torn Shire and _not_ add another hour to it. Instead, them coming back to everything being exactly the same, except they're not, ties into Sams "how can the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened" speech ("coming home, finding things all right, but not quite the same" in the book) And its a good depiction of soldiers with PTSD coming back home from the war, something Tolkien himself would have identified with. So while yeah, they changed what happened there and yeeted Saruman off a tower, but they put in _so_ much effort to make sure the changes _felt_ like Tolkien.
@@moon-moth1 Apparently, Amazon was trying to be cheap and only buying the necessary rights, they meant to get the Silmarillion, but got something else instead. As a result, they weren't allowed to use the plot of the Silmarillion and just decided to wing it rather than correcting the mistake.
My theory for why Sauron will forge the One Ring is because of fear. As he was dying, Celebrimbor makes some kind of prophecy that the Rings will be the reason for Sauron's downfall. I believe that Sauron will get scared and create the One Ring to "rule them all", as in "control them so that they can't get used against me". Does this make it good? No, this show is already too deep into the pit to be able to crawl out of it, but I believe that that's what they're going for.
I took it more as Celebrimbor speaking absolute truth to Sauron and effectively cursing Sauron here; its right up there with Bilbo having Gollum swear on the one ring to not harm him or Sam, or be consumed by fire (or something to that effect) - resulting in Gollum breaking his oath and falling into lava, lol. Part of the reality these characters exist in is the potency of the spoken word, like Gandalf by saying "You Shall Not Pass" was him altering reality to stop the Balrog there and then, while Balrog attempted to over power that statement of reality. Magic is fucking weird in Tolkien's world.
@@nm2358 All true, and in normal circumstances I would agree with you. But this show is not Tolkien. It's made by two mediocre showrunners who operate according to the rule of cool.
@@Merione there's more to this series than show runners; they locked teams of writers in a room to write this stuff, with locked doors and sealed scripts, and those writers are obvious Tolkien fans. Just because the Eagles don't talk, or Sauron isn't using Werewolves, or Morgoth's vampires aren't running around, doesn't mean there isn't Tolkien in Tolkien inspired work. Otherwise, why is everyone singing all the time, lol?
Nothing Isildur can do makes me angrier than him eating half an apple and throwing the rest of it away. You are the lowest ranking guy on the ship, you are only here because of nepotism and you take an apple you don't deserve and throw most of it away! This is worse than Denethor eating that tomato because at least Denethor ate the whole thing.
Apparently Amazon doesnt kno good actors either. Its like they offered jobs to people that were rejected by soap operas. And why did they have to build rivendell instead of just returning to their own kingdom where they came from?
I just have to ask: when Celebrimbor escapes after making sure he can never again give 2 thumbs up, he nearly gets hit by stones from an Orc ballista, and falls to the ground. There some/the guards find him, and one of them says: "Look! he's cut of his own thumb, the maniac!", or something like it. Why would he or they or anyone think he did it to himself? Only Sauron knew he was chained to the bench, and there's no reason to think Celebrimbor were *_that_* far gone and would do something like that to himself because "he's now crazy, don'cha know?".
8:40 Sadly that theory doesn't work. Other works like Shadow of Mordor/War and Lord of the Rings Online also didn't have the rights to the name "Annatar", yet they were still able to have Sauron go to Eregion in his Annatar form and convince Celebrimbor to make the Rings. The only issue was the name so Lotro simply renamed him to "Antheron" and SoM/W ignored the issue simply not stating what he called himself.
2:13 I will say that Tolkien had two different versions of what the blue wizards did, in the People's of Middle Earth they kept Sauron's influence over the East reduced but in Unfinished Tales only Gandalf remained faithful to the mission and in Letter 211 Tolkien said they may have started evil magic cults...so maybe that's what this dark wizard is supposed to be...not the best explanation but maybe.
Just a quick word about the siege of eregion: This battle doesn't make the slightest shred of sense. The orcs employ the absolute worst offensive strategy imaginable and the only reason they don't fail miserably is because the elves employ the absolute worst defensive strategy imaginable. Seriously, i could come up with a better offensive and defensive strategy than the rings of power writers while in a drug induced coma and with half a brain removed. And that is not to mention the suspension of natural laws that is neccesary to make the ork strategy even remotely feasible.
Ironically, in regards to Ar-Pharazôn is that many revolutions/coups DID get discussed openly in pubs historically. They're traditionally places where people would congregate after work hours but before sundown for getting a drink and supper where everyone could hang out with the candles and relax. It's still a widespread tradition across Europe. They were secular meeting spots where revolutions were fomented. In Canada, we had the Rebellions of 1837/1838 which involved armed troops meeting up at Montgomery's Tavern to then go and attack Upper Canada. So, of all the things in this show, this is probably the most realistic thing in it.
Wheel of Time is truly bad. Take a known and successful book series and contort it in such a way to break its one premise for the sake of catering to only 1% of the earth's population. No. When you adapt a book to film change ONLY the format. Do NOT change the story in any way. Do not make it your own. It wasn't your story that people read and liked, it was the original author's story that got such acclaim. So keep the original. LotR and GoT in the first seasons were so good because they kept to the original. The Hobbit and later GoT seasons failed badly because the original was not followed. WoT starts out in the first 43 seconds by undermining its basic premise: that the Power is in SEPARATE halves based on the gender of the user. Instead of offend any trans folk they merged the two halves together. This will have severely DRASTIC consequences later in the story and will not be the story from the books at all. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against a trans story (FTR I really don't care) but WoT is not it. If Amazon wants to make a show about trans people, go for it. WoT is not that so don't try to make it into that. Stick with the original story.
Gandalf would have been INFINITELY better if it was a fake-out and he was a blue wizard. The only reason it wasn't confirmed in the first 5 seconds of his season 1 appearance was because it was by far the stupidest, and most boring option.
Can’t be that bad. After all, you’re still here after 3 years and 2 entire seasons. Heck, you’re here talking about the show in the off-season. It’s obviously quite important to you!
I kind of always thought the power of the rings was fairly subtle, especially to those not wearing them. The elves maybe had a bit more perception toward it because they're more innately in tune with magic. Having it act like an active stat item from a video game granting abilities seems.. misguided at best.
Thank you for putting into words the reason I can't be bothered to watch the second season, even though I downloaded it, weeks ago. 'Lord of the Rings' was the first epic fantasy book I ever read, but that was some forty years ago, so I don't remember all that much of it. My impression that 'Rings of Power' is not true to the original story is very vague, and I am not prepared to put in the effort it would take to better define it. Glad you did the work for me, so I can invest my energy into more worthwhile endeavours.
I'm happy to see them continue the series. The majority of my friends are all LOTR fans we all read the books even played the mmo together for many years and absolutely loved the series. I'm grateful to see despite some peoples dislike they're still pushing ahead with the series. You can't make everyone happy and that's okay.
What i absolutly despise is the idea that, maybe, they are not "trying to fix it as they go" but that it was actually meant to go that route, the idea that the amazon writters looked at J.R.R Tolkien's writting and thought "Yeah, *I* know how to make it actually good"
is it bad i actually excited for a season 3/4/5, i already accepted this is not LOTR, this is some evil fanfiction. But the reviews and analysis are just so hilarious to watch
The biggest argument that I've seen people using to defend ROP is that it's bringing new people to the franchise, but ROP is such a horrible introduction to tolkien's works that frankly, to me, it's offensively bad. I also don't really think that anyone new is actually being driven to the franchise through ROP. It's built to be nostalgia-bait for people who were casual enjoyers of the Jackson films, and makes no sense for new viewers. As someone who was introduced to tolkien via The Silmarillion a few years back, I didn't understand what was happening for most of ROP so I can only imagine how confusing it would be for someone new to tolkien.
Although, if they discarded the current 3 rings and had Celebrimbor forge new ones, it would still be with the techniques they learned from (such as they are) Saurbrand and would thus still contain that innate corruption. Like you said, in the books, Celebrimbor forged the rings last *without* Sauron's participation but were still influenced by the One Ring. Also: mithril and Valinor gold and silver. 🤷♂️
Does the book actually _say_ the elves would have been dominated if they used the three? I know it says they were angry and toon away their rings to not be dominated, but that could also refer to the other rings whose forging Sauron did participate in
@exantiuse497 I'm not quite sure if I get your question, but in the Silmarillion, it does say, "As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger, they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be the master of them, and of all that they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took of their rings x x x Now these were the Three that had last been made x x x Nanya, Nenya, and Vilya, they were named x x x"
Dude I just noticed, are you filming from Jon Trons old apartment? It looks so similar to the starwars konect review. Like same furniture and almost the same distance for this aperture.
This was a great analysis- I almost didn't tune in due to the thumbnail, I usually assume images altered to make faces look stupid means the content will be, too. Just saying - but, good stuff.
A Wheel of Time breakdown would be quite the project, simply because there's more meat to chew on with that series. Since RoP is adapted from appendices and notes, not every little detail is contradicting something from the books. In the WoT show, it seemed like everything had something noticably off, even if it wasn't egregious (although it often was).
If we think a bit of "4 days walk," it can translate into 240km distance if a person walks 12 hours per day with a speed of 5km/h. That is the size of a small country! You're right, dwarves also went extinct because of darwinism.
I did think it was kind of weird how the hobbits walk around with fruit in their hair while starving. You'd think the fruit would dry out in the sun, so surely they must've found fresh ones at some point during the last few days. So did they come upon a fruit tree with like six olives on it and decided to store them in their hair and not eat them while starving??
They sent a messenger to Eregion, he got waylaid in the dark forest. Why was the messenger going through there and not a safer route? Don't know. Why didn't they send multiple messengers by different routes? Don't know. Also, I think the story is that the elven rings are so corrupt that even looking at them warps the mind into wanting to protect them.
Dude i discovered your channel about a week ago and i was verry happy to see another video,your reviews are solid and your style is pleasant.About RoP,it is just another boring stupid unimaginative show plain and simple,what is different about this,is all the sweet sweet backlash,so many hours of content
Who TF watches stupid, unimaginative and boring TV shows? And “HOURS” of so-called “content” about them? Dude, how embarrassing. Some ppl have WAY too much time on their hands. Sheiiitt, I worked since age 14, double-majored in Bio & Econ in college, went to medical school & got into 4, almost always had a BF, almost died 4x (lot of time in ICU’s, hospital, and even a nursing home for after care), have been married for a decade, and have 2 young daughters. Meanwhile, there’s brain-dead ppl zoning out on “content” (lmao, as if it could be called that) about shows they claim to hate. Not even ones they LIKE. Ppl w/ that kind of time HAVE no life to speak of. Parents must be so disappointed
And um btw, commas are followed by a space. Independent clauses are joined by a semicolon (;), NOT a comma, otherwise you have a “comma splice” error. Periods are followed by 1 (or 2) spaces. I’ll leave it at that for now. Too many hours on YT when u should be in school.
You were really light on ridiculous nature of of the battle. The trebuchets that can shoot for miles into the mountains? The easily dammed river and nearly dry riverbed? The REDICULOUS siege weapon that's like a reverse ballista, that can somehow rip out mortared stones instead of it's spikes just detaching from the wall? The line of convenient darkness allowing the orcs to stand against the charging elves? That "who the fuck was what?" elf getting pincushion'd from coordinated orcs in multiple directions, attempting to pull off a Boromir moment? It was SO stupid.
The thing about the Dwarves rings making them seek gold is. That was a thing. The way they portrayed it was just bad. Their obsession actually led to vast prosperity within the Dwarven kingdoms, with the side effect of making them very isolationist. This is what led to their encounter with Smaug in the hobbit. Who was attracted by their affluent wealth The Dwarves were obsessed with gold but weren't mentally unsound because of it. Quite the contrary. The whole point was that due to their singular obsession. They were uncorruptable. The whole reason why every Men were given rings is because they were corruptable in comparison. Something that always seems to be forgotten as well. The main Rings of Power weren't the only rings. While making the rings given to all the different kings and rulers of the elves, dwarves, and men. Many minor rings were made in the process. Who more often had singular purposes in comparison to the world altering nature of the main rings. Kind of a key aspect of why the one ring was such a big deal. The rings had been scattered everywhere.
After the Lord of the Rings movie was softly criticized for having basically no female characters, you'd think these writers would consider allowing Galadriel, who is a thousands-of-years old, immortal wizard-woman, not to fall in love with some dude she met like... yesterday. It's really tacky to give her a teen crush, as if she's not fully capable of controlling her emotions. (Although she acts like a child in several other respects in this series, so...)
She's one of the oldest Elves in Middle Earth, I think older than the High King and way older than Elrond. Feanor, the greatest Elf basically ever, couldnt sway her. She would never ever be influenced by Sauron like this, and would never behave this ... teenagerish?
y'know one of the things that always angered me about the end of season one was the missed opportunity. There's no reason for Galadriel to suggest they make the rings after what she's learned, but she goes ahead with it anyway without saying anything. What I think would've been a seemingly smarter thing to 'sort of' stay within Tolkien Canon was to have had Sauron vanish Galadriel - maybe have her trapped in Mordor who knows - and have the Galadriel that's there actually 'be' Sauron as that then still keeps things linked to him helping forge the Rings. It would've then made sense when things start going badly as he's the manipulator and turning people against each other while then handing out the rings to others as gifts or something while being Anatar and leaning into it by never having the fake Galadriel and Anatar in the same place at the same time, Superman that thing to hell and back.. Could've even led to the end of s2 where we're shown the real Galadriel returned as the wiser one who isn't insane and violent opposing Sauron, diving him out after the fall - even if Eregeon isn't right at this time - which then could've led to him being captured by - who was in the Mordor area all this time, Isildur?! - and have him take Sauron captive so that it then can lead to season 3's fall of Numenor. But no. We got the same trite rubbish we had last season.
My god...she could have found Celeborn imprisoned as well and gotten _somewhat_ closer to cannon. They could have pulled from Beren and Luthien and have her break him out. And it turns out she's completely changed from the person he remembers, they can say his apparent death was the final straw that pushed her over the edge, and in saving him she remembers what its like to fight for love instead of vengeance and she can get on track to being actual Galadriel. We can pretend this was just a weird, midlife crisis nobody ever talked about.
@@bloodyneptune See I didn't even think of Celeborn but you're right, doing that could fix so much in returning Galadriel into the image she is in the books. But no...let's stick with the cheesy daytime romance crap we got.
Lol I love the self-own of trying to make Galadriel this girlboss, and then she's the one who's responsible for everything bad that ever happens ever again.
Cant believe that Rings of Power made update to racist stereotype about super powers: Mexican = speedster Brazilian = double jump Elf = immune to fall damage
10:34 That's a cool power. But alas, elves are not immune to fall damage. Rest In Peace, Glorfindel ... for a time. And then come back and become a subspace ghost hunter, because that IS within their realm of possibility. lol
the moral was missed because moralizing tales are considered bad writing by screen writers these days. The desire to make everyone just a misunderstood person misses the point that this was supposed to be a mythic tale at its core - clear messages would only make the story better.
Thank you for the video. I've been frustrated with this Amazon series and I'm glad that I am not alone in my confusion. I suspect it was not created with Tolkien fans in mind and is instead for a cash-grab. I frankly find the series insulting towards the "source" Tolkien material.
I’m sorry, but even the tear that Annatar sheds, when he kills Celebrimbor, means nothing. You don’t care for someone that you’ve spent the entire relationship manipulating into doing something against their will. You only do that to someone you despise. There is no real comradeship between these two, it’s just manufactured for dramatic effect.
Not that happy with your discussion on book accuracy as it pertains to Sauron's ability to dominate minds without the Ring. In the LotR, you only ever see Sauron control anyone via the usage of Ring of Power with the nazguls. Anyone else is controlled by him without any influence of a Ring, as he isn't in possession of the One Ring. Unfinished Tales explains how the nazgul were different in that they are completely enslaved to his mind and wouldn't even be tempted by the One Ring, as Sauron possessed the Nine Rings.
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You know, this whole "orcs have loving families and dont want war" thing _really_ makes Legolas and Gimli seem like sociopaths.
Haha I’m dying
hahaha good point!
Gimli to Legolas: "Hmph... Killing a pregnant orc still counts as one."
nono, legolas and gimli are not part of this abominable universe, it does make galadriel kind of a sociopath for killing all the orcs, but then again, thats nothing new
Yeah. Playing the open-world Zelda games, you can see bokoblins and moblins in their camps just hanging out. I even saw a moblin sitting on a ledge admiring the sun. Still doesn't stop me from killing them.
With all the callbacks to Jackson's movies, Rings of Power reminds us that it's never a good idea for a showmaker to remind their audience of a better product.
much less an infinitely better product
and that's an understatement
Rings of power is infinitely better than peter jackson. Are you deliberately trying to provoke rings of p fans?
So say peter jackson staff members
@@fred20097 in no way Rings of Powers is close to the masterpiece quality of Peter Jackson's movies...ye Peter Jackson added some things that weren't in the books but still the product came out good while Rings of Power are straight up taking names from Tolkien's books and slapping them on random characters to supposedly be the said character while being either never in the books, in the wrong time line or total opposites of the originals
The only thing I miss is Tom Broombadil bringing most iconic Gandalf's line from LOTR. That one line delivery alone was so incerdibly terrible and wrong I paused the show and went out for a walk. "Many living deserve to die and many dying deserve to live. Who are you to decide their faith?" In LOTR Gandalf said that when Frodo made deathwish for Gollum. It. Makes. Sense. In this show however first Gandalf complained to Tom "Where are u dragging me? My friends need me. They will die without me" and Tom Baobabdil makes this stupid random reference. And it sounds like "If ther're gonna die they're gonna be die. Why do you care? You have your own shit to do".
Aside from that... Great job!
I agree 100% with this. I actually original did have this scripted but cut it because I didn’t want to spend too much time on the hobbit/wizard arc and wanted to focus in more on the other storylines. Thanks for watching!
Bro you wrote half of a point because the rest is the fact that we do in the end get to decide the fate of each other. Like how gandalf decide to save the harfoots. He told frodo this line to make frodo think about consequences, not to say they don't kill. THEY LITERALLY KILL GOLLUM IN THE MOVIE.
@@abelchavez2463They don't kill Gollum in the movie. What movie did you watch?
And the line makes no sense here as Gandalf wasn't wishing death or deciding death for anyone else
@@abelchavez2463 Bro didn't watch the same LotR as everyone else. Who killed Gollum? Please, tell me which character in the film "literally kills gollum." I'll wait.
@@evghb @histguy101 You guys don't remember when Frodo unsheathed his Morgul blade to run Gollum through while cursing Smegle and stating "This is my Marsh now, so says my Harfoot heritage. You keep what you kill?"
you forgot the dumbest part. when galadriel is sneaking out and arondir saves her. Arondir offers to sacrifice himself to kill Adar. This would effectively end the siege as the orcs wouldn’t have a leader. Allowing Galadriel and Elrond to get to the city safer to stop Sauron. This action would complete all of galadriels immediate goals and she fucking tells Arondir not to do it because “we don’t need another dead elf today.”
Holy shit Galadriel every second the siege goes on elves are dying. Plus this entire siege is already her fault and now she’s actively participating in keeping it going. It’s so damn stupid in so many ways.
It's like they saw Aragorn have pity on Grima, so they just did the same with their MC.
Most sensible interpretation: she didn't think he could do it and was talking about Arondir as the "dead elf".
I like to think it's because Galadriel feared that orcs without Addar would go and side with Sauron making bad situation worse. Orcs follow the strongest after all. But this season is devoided of logic and Galadriel is so far the main villain of the story not The Big S.
Arondir does go to fight Adar and gets killed almost immediately. I don't know why anyone thinks Galadriel and Arondir can take on Adar's entire army by themselves, lol.
@@nm2358 they don’t have to take on the entire army. Galadriel sneaks away and arondir kills adar, sacrificing himself in the process. Would’ve been a great way to wrap up his story but instead he just waits and gets stabbed in the stomach (only to be totally fine lol)
@CodyKenny777 Arondir literally died when he tried fight Adar one on one, lol. The only reason Arondir pops back up is a deleted scene when Ring-Deux-Machina is used to restore him to life like shown with Galadriel.
And they're in the middle orc encampment; yeah, that's cunning strategy, but outright insane stupidity.
In in Tolkien's run of the conflict here, it takes the combined forced the Dwarfs, Elves and Numenor to defeat the orcs here. I have no idea why you think Adar is sitting duck here that isn't defended or can't defend himself - despite being one of oldest beings on this planet - a fullblown survivor of the previous war as one of Morgoth's first orcs.
Morgoth's crown was taken from him by the Valar when they defeated him, and it was beaten into a collar when he was chained in the Void. Its still around his neck, if it wasn't, it would be the literal apocalypse. I hate that this writing team is incapable of doing a google search.
Remember, not allowed to use real lore! (And boy does it show.)
@@stonefox2546 nah fuck that, you dont need to be able to include the lore story to not break it completely
Well they simply weren't allowed to use the actual lore because they don't have the rights to that. The sensible thing would have been to just make this the crown of sauron, not the crown of morgoth. Or if they absolutly had to have a direct connection to morgoth in the crown then make it a crown forged from a splinter of morgoth's crowns that broke off in the battle between morgoth and orome.
@tranquilthoughts7233No dude the sensible thing would’ve been for them to abort this horrible, disgusting aberration of a show before it ever started pre production, nevermind filming. Shame on you for watching it even if it’s just to hate watch; Tolkien would be so disappointed
@@malachidefries3110 I agree the sensible thing would've been to not make this abberation in the first place.
Also, all i watched was the trailer.
In an interview with a LotR RUclipsr, the screenwriters said they hadn’t decided to make Not-Gandalf to be Gandalf until _after_ finishing season 1. Think about that for a moment.
Amazon has a 5 season contract for this show, and the writers are apparently just winging it. It’s just like when Disney bought Star Wars. No long term plans.🙈
If the dark wizard IS Saruman then nothing makes sense cuz he’s so clearly bad in this show. How would he deceive Gandalf (like he does in lotr) if Gandalf already knows he’s evil 😭. I kind of feel like the slow descent of Saruman was supposed to be symbolic of how good people could become corrupted by power. But my guy seems evil from the get go (at least according to the show).
Elrond kissing his future mom in law is honestly revolting idc for what reason
It was the most forced and random romance possible. 🤦
it's frankly more revolting because it's so painfully obvious that it's only there to bait either rage from actual fans, or shipping fantasies from internet weirdos. Plot wise i know it was supposedly a distraction..... one the most obvious hand off ever seen on film... but the way it was shot was specifically so it could be clipped entirely out of context
The fact that this is how low the show will sink just to get attention is kind of nauseating.
I _genuinely_ cant look at it. Its gross for reasons I can't even fully explain. It cant even just be because shes his future mother in law, because I watch House Of the Dragon just fine and they're all straight up blood relatives.
Its just....its _Elrond_ and _Galadriel,_ you know?
Not only are these show runners talentless hacks, but they interjected their own unresolved kinks into the show.
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More forced than Bruce Banner and Black Widow in Marvel?
"Amazon doesn't understand fantasy". Yeah I think that's a good way of summarizing it. Or they don't understand High Fantasy. Tolkien and even Wheel Of Time are VERY different beasts from Game of Thrones, where the "meat of the matter" is politics and character-driven drama.
And the whole of RoP is driven by "dream logic", some of the most egregious of which you point out. At times you wonder if they're even trying to make any sense.
Having black ppl on a TV show is def not “politics-driven.” It’s a result of the pilgrims bringing black ppl to this land. U ppl expect TV shows to be a worship fest focused on donOLD w/ MAGAt flags everywhere.
I think they are trying not to make sense. Randomly generated content would be way more realistic.
Having celebrian as the main character instead of galadriel would definitely have solved so many problems. Not much was written about her during the second age so she was a blank canvas to work with.
For me it's not even that they break the lore in every episode, it's that they do it badly, and the writing is dumb. Also, the Numenorians all look like potatoes. Ar-Pharazon in particular reminds me more of Jack Black rather than what is supposed to be an absolute Chad of peak human society.
Pharazon. Please tell me you didn't put the traitor in a position of power.
Time to stop watching then I guess.
I mean breaking the lore is bad, but I could accept it if it was at least internally consistent… but they can’t even keep track of their own lore of 10 episodes
I cannot imagine one of them marching strong against Mordor as they did at the start of Fellowship.
The RoP Numenorians would have screamed their souls out runnning around like headless chickens...
@@MoonManPicturesmost people have. Only youtube commentators still watch that thing
What's amazing is Tolkien already worked out solutions to so many of these plot problems.
For example, Tolkien wrote that Sauron's original plan was for all the rings to be given to elves, and Celebrimbor made the rings under that pretense. It was only when Sauron realized the elves would not wear the rings as they could feel his influence that Sauron decided to try giving rings to other races.
And also, Tolkien wrote that Galadriel could sense something was wrong with Annatar but was not listened to because he seemed kind and she had no proof. And she only had a feeling, zero idea that he would be Sauron. In that environment, it makes way more sense she would go unheard.
I could go on, but it's amazing the show changes so much only to become far worse and totally non-sensical.
Small quibble though, in Middle-Earth oaths tend to be magically binding. Not in the sense that you can't break them, in the sense that breaking them makes the reality punish you for it. See the dead men of Dunharrow, Gollum's oath to Frodo (and Frodo's subsequent cursing of Gollum).
Incidentally, that is why PJ's Gimli trying to get PJ's Aragorn to go back on his word to the dead men was horribly out-of-character.
This show is a/the perfect example of the validity of the saying _"the characters in a story can only be as smart as the person(s) writing the story"._
Which proves why this channel is good, while RoP is anything but.
Even though Nori is l i t e r a l l y wearing food In HeR hAiR 😂😂😂
I roll my eyes every time I see the food in the hair characters. it looks so dumb. lol
This entire series is such an unbelievable self report. It blows my mind that there are people who are so confused about basic morality.
Lmao you can’t even make this up. Ppl expecting TV shows & fantasy writings to be moral arbiters.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x nobody ever said anythng about 'moral arbiters'.... just morally consistent. That's kind of the thing you expect from every other functional adult, to have some sort of consistent morality
This show is all over the place in the weirdest of ways. Sometimes it's trying to make some point (the orcs aren't bad, it's just a matter of perspective) but other times will do literally anything for shock value (you 'member Glug, right? well Sauron just killed him to look evil, ain't Sauron cool?)
@@NicoleStevensHays11x the best myths and legends tell a moral story, or have a lesson to teach. we are talking about thousands of years of heroic stories here. talk about profoundly ignorant statements about literature. yours takes the prize.
It's not terrible that the Eagles of Manwë do not speak. Jackson did not give them dialogue (nor the raven in The Hobbit) and it is probably the correct decision for visual drama. There may be no way to portray speech without it looking at least a little silly and distracting.
But the Númenoreans are inexplicable. Do they honor the Valar, and the Eagles? (never mind the sea monster) What, then, is the basis of the divide between the Faithful and the King's Men? Seemingly, it is just a power struggle, merely politics. There is only one moment in which envy of the immortality of the Elves is expressed, but it is made to seem a personal quirk of Pharazon, not an important motivation of the people's actions.
I lowkey kinda wish he'd made them talk, only because of Gwahirs line after saving Gandalf "I came to bear messages, not burdens". Like buddy, you were flying that way _anyways_ and your friend was imprisoned by an evil wizard, why are you being such a bitch about this? I love it. He definitely _acts_ like a creature that only answers to the king of the Valar
Bro they could make them communicate with Telepathie and all the "silly and distracting" thing vanishes
i'd also point out that Pharazon is king because....uhh, Eagle... which means his legitimacy is entirely depends on the religious beliefs of the Numenoreans the show conveniently never actually explains
But then the next season these same religious Numenoreans, the only ones who'd defend his right to rule, are now being persecuted for reasons the shows also never bothers to explain. You're just supposed to assume it's because that's what cartoon villains do.
The Numenoreans aren't merely confusing, they are, to a man, complete idiots.
Life-long Tolkien fan here: I think the writers that were hired for this show did not have any prior knowledge of LOTR, and so chaos ensues. They are learning the lore on-the-fly.
So they just turn everything into it's polar opposite 10 out of 10 times is just a concidence then?
They know. THey do this on purpose.
U think they learn the lore? XD my sweet summerchild
@@DeanStorm28 Hey, he didn't say they were learning it well. Or using it, for that matter.
Woke writers are not only expected to ignore the lore, they are expected to actively despise it.
I heard they allegedly got the job because they learned some lines of sindarin for the interview.
Ar-Pharazon had some ENORMOUS shoes to fill.
1 - The army he leads to middle earth is so large, Sauron and all his forces don't even bother trying to fight them.
2 - The army he leads to Valinor is so powerful and so large, Tolkien says that even the Valar are in "real peril" from these human forces.
3 - A king that could inspire and lead such armies would have to be powerful in his own right, as well as highly charismatic.
He's supposed to be the absolute peak of what mortal men could become, fallen prey to his own fear of death.
The only thing you need when building on an established lore:
1. Do the changes break or radically change the lore?
2. If yes, is the change a better story?
They should tattoo that on the fore head of every person associated with Dune, Got, LotR, Star Trek or Star Wars (and other beloved franchises...)
And more than any of those, Wheel of Time writers need it.
The problem remains Amazon's insistence ono cramming 4000 years of history into a year. The subtlety to seduce Ar Pharazon should have taken seasons. For Celebrimbor, likewise.
Agreed. My opinion is they always should have made this series an anthology where each season covers a different time period and story in the second age.
THANK YOU!!! I was completely baffled at this show being anything but that!@@ajourneythroughcinema1271
23:15 I'm so glad you brought up the fact that he has no reason to manipulate Celebrimbor where he can make them himself or just go to Kazad Dum and Numenor if he insists on making them with people. It's possibly the biggest logical hole in this season's plot that hardly anyone has brought up.
You've given some of the best breakdown's of this show's nonsense, which is saying a lot, because there are a lot! You give just the right balance of covering all the major points while keeping it concise, and not giving it more charity than it deserves while also not getting so carried away mocking everything that you overlook where it actually holds up.
Sauron creates ring magic in this universe, using Celebrimbor as his mortal instrument to create them in Tolkien's work; but that's because Sauron trying to corrupt the Elves and because Celebrimbor has literal god given talent for crafting magical items outright.
Dwarves and Humans are Sauron's side projects as far as corruption - so while Sauron can get the Mithral over to mount Doom and start forging rings (and to be honest, I think that does actually happen if I remember right, where there are more rings made than the main ones Sauron uses to attempt the subjugation of Middle Earth) but these main rings were created using the god-given talent Celebrimbor had for Sauron's purposes intentionally.
Its not just Sauron needs more rings, he ultimately wants Middle Earth, starting with the Elves who defeated him.
@nm2358 But he's already made the elven rings, so he's already accomplished his goal with them, and if you mean he was corrupting the elves by working with them, then why was he preparing to destroy the ones he was working with before he even showed up? And what God-given gifts? Sauron's literally the one who tells Celebrimbor how to make alloys, this guy's totally incompetent and Sauron could totally do this himself.
@@justthinkingoutloud2538he hasn’t because he wasn’t able to taint the Elven rings. Did you read the book or learn any lore before watching rings of power?
@yulien568 Have you? You do know that in the lore, the elven rings were made by Celebrimbor without Sauron's influence after he learned how to make them from Sauron's help making the 16, hence the 3 being uncorrupted, but still tied to the One Ring, right? They screwed up the whole timeline by switching everything up for no good reason, and now nothing makes sense. Get out of your Dunning-Kreuger Effect before assuming we must be the idiots for not liking this this crap.
@justthinkingoutloud2538 the problem is, when the elven rings are made doesn't matter to the story, so getting mad at a dramatic story telling change is pointless.
I REALLY needed them to show where different places are on the map. Where’s Eregion? How far away is it from Lindon? Where’s Isildur? Is he closer to Lindon or Eregion? How far away is Mordor from both Lindon and Eregion? Why does it look like Sauron just walked from Eregion to Mordor and then back to Eregion in the same time that it took Galadriel and Elrond to ride from Eregion to Lindon? Do the orcs start in Mordor and then walk to Eregion? Please show me the map 😭😭
The problem with the show is that all of these events are happening at the same time when they are supposed to happen in consecutive order. Sauron is at the center of each event, but he can't be in two places at once, so someone else has to lead the Orc army to Oregion, the Dwarf King has to drive himself insane, and Al-Pharazon has to decide he hates the Valar on his own. The format Amazon chose for the show is what's destroying it.
In Season 2, it's very clear that the showrunners got an order from the Powers That Be at Amazon to re-align the show with Tolkien's lore. They probably got the rights to the Silmarillion too. Unfortunately, they screwed up the lore, and specifically the sequence of events, so much in Season 1 that there is no logical and natural way to get back to the lore. All they can do is make THEIR fan fiction more and more convoluted and confusing.
Adults should just ignore the show and parents should prevent their children from seeing it.
I totally agree with you Florian
I agree with you even more. About 10 times more than charlesheinrich
@@ChAustauschbar i agree with myself at least a hundered times more than you chAustauschbar
@@FlorianProck-Schauer-j2k totally agree with your agreed
I hope we can agree on how much each of us agrees, but I will try to find a mathematical proof
One thing I hated about 2nd season was how small they made Eregion seem, it felt like the smallest place ever and everything happened around the tower.
plus it was all an illusion created by sauron
Yeah but Eregion still felt bigger than Lindon, which was literally one tree with the king standing under that tree seemingly all day long.
@@missAlice1990 I'd complain about Lindon as well if they were there as much as they were in Eregion.
I had this argument over the Hobbit movies. It's not THAT they changed it, it's that every time they did, it made it worse than the original.
Right? Like, I _understand_ why stuff was changed or cut from LOTRs. I get that they couldnt have the hobbits come back to a war torn Shire and _not_ add another hour to it. Instead, them coming back to everything being exactly the same, except they're not, ties into Sams "how can the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened" speech ("coming home, finding things all right, but not quite the same" in the book)
And its a good depiction of soldiers with PTSD coming back home from the war, something Tolkien himself would have identified with. So while yeah, they changed what happened there and yeeted Saruman off a tower, but they put in _so_ much effort to make sure the changes _felt_ like Tolkien.
@@moon-moth1 Apparently, Amazon was trying to be cheap and only buying the necessary rights, they meant to get the Silmarillion, but got something else instead. As a result, they weren't allowed to use the plot of the Silmarillion and just decided to wing it rather than correcting the mistake.
My theory for why Sauron will forge the One Ring is because of fear. As he was dying, Celebrimbor makes some kind of prophecy that the Rings will be the reason for Sauron's downfall. I believe that Sauron will get scared and create the One Ring to "rule them all", as in "control them so that they can't get used against me". Does this make it good? No, this show is already too deep into the pit to be able to crawl out of it, but I believe that that's what they're going for.
As Master Oogway once said, "A man often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it."
I can see that happening: They seem to be gutting and inverting the lore of the Rings on every point.
I took it more as Celebrimbor speaking absolute truth to Sauron and effectively cursing Sauron here; its right up there with Bilbo having Gollum swear on the one ring to not harm him or Sam, or be consumed by fire (or something to that effect) - resulting in Gollum breaking his oath and falling into lava, lol.
Part of the reality these characters exist in is the potency of the spoken word, like Gandalf by saying "You Shall Not Pass" was him altering reality to stop the Balrog there and then, while Balrog attempted to over power that statement of reality.
Magic is fucking weird in Tolkien's world.
@@nm2358 All true, and in normal circumstances I would agree with you. But this show is not Tolkien. It's made by two mediocre showrunners who operate according to the rule of cool.
@@Merione there's more to this series than show runners; they locked teams of writers in a room to write this stuff, with locked doors and sealed scripts, and those writers are obvious Tolkien fans.
Just because the Eagles don't talk, or Sauron isn't using Werewolves, or Morgoth's vampires aren't running around, doesn't mean there isn't Tolkien in Tolkien inspired work. Otherwise, why is everyone singing all the time, lol?
Best breakdown of Rings of Power I've seen yet! Would love to see a similar style of video for the Wheel of Time.
Making Isildur an adulterer really gets my goat
Atleast it fitts his character xad
Isildur should have become Theo's mother.
Nothing Isildur can do makes me angrier than him eating half an apple and throwing the rest of it away. You are the lowest ranking guy on the ship, you are only here because of nepotism and you take an apple you don't deserve and throw most of it away! This is worse than Denethor eating that tomato because at least Denethor ate the whole thing.
@@ajh22895 Here we have someone who was clearly shamed with stories of starving African children by their parents when growing up.
Apparently Amazon doesnt kno good actors either. Its like they offered jobs to people that were rejected by soap operas. And why did they have to build rivendell instead of just returning to their own kingdom where they came from?
I think celebrimbor is the only decent one, or at least he had the best scenes
Because building Rivendell is an outcome of the defeat at Eregion
@@TurinStark5 that's not a reason
It is as per the lore, so it is a reason
@@moon-moth1 great??? lol
I just have to ask: when Celebrimbor escapes after making sure he can never again give 2 thumbs up, he nearly gets hit by stones from an Orc ballista, and falls to the ground. There some/the guards find him, and one of them says: "Look! he's cut of his own thumb, the maniac!", or something like it.
Why would he or they or anyone think he did it to himself? Only Sauron knew he was chained to the bench, and there's no reason to think Celebrimbor were *_that_* far gone and would do something like that to himself because "he's now crazy, don'cha know?".
the dwarves not knowing where the sun is makes me think the writers dont understand gravity and probably couldn't find a chandelier in a dim room
8:40 Sadly that theory doesn't work. Other works like Shadow of Mordor/War and Lord of the Rings Online also didn't have the rights to the name "Annatar", yet they were still able to have Sauron go to Eregion in his Annatar form and convince Celebrimbor to make the Rings. The only issue was the name so Lotro simply renamed him to "Antheron" and SoM/W ignored the issue simply not stating what he called himself.
What the Eagle should have said is "You are all weirdos! Ugh!"
2:13 I will say that Tolkien had two different versions of what the blue wizards did, in the People's of Middle Earth they kept Sauron's influence over the East reduced but in Unfinished Tales only Gandalf remained faithful to the mission and in Letter 211 Tolkien said they may have started evil magic cults...so maybe that's what this dark wizard is supposed to be...not the best explanation but maybe.
I watch the first episode of season 2 when Sauron became Venom and Immediately Cancelled my Amazon Subscription.
Just a quick word about the siege of eregion: This battle doesn't make the slightest shred of sense. The orcs employ the absolute worst offensive strategy imaginable and the only reason they don't fail miserably is because the elves employ the absolute worst defensive strategy imaginable. Seriously, i could come up with a better offensive and defensive strategy than the rings of power writers while in a drug induced coma and with half a brain removed. And that is not to mention the suspension of natural laws that is neccesary to make the ork strategy even remotely feasible.
Tarhiel from Morrowind also believed elves are immune to fall damage.
Ironically, in regards to Ar-Pharazôn is that many revolutions/coups DID get discussed openly in pubs historically. They're traditionally places where people would congregate after work hours but before sundown for getting a drink and supper where everyone could hang out with the candles and relax. It's still a widespread tradition across Europe. They were secular meeting spots where revolutions were fomented.
In Canada, we had the Rebellions of 1837/1838 which involved armed troops meeting up at Montgomery's Tavern to then go and attack Upper Canada.
So, of all the things in this show, this is probably the most realistic thing in it.
I really enjoyed you video.
And I subscribed, and glad I did! Now, time to see your other content.
Keep it up.
05:25 actually Oaths in the legendarium of Tolkien are magically binding, which makes the Oath Halbarand/Sauron swore somehow worse.
The crown (I mean the sea, the field, the mountain or something else) is always right. And the winter is coming.
Turns out the Eagles saw the events of “Rings of Power.” That’s why they wouldn’t help Frodo carry the Ring to Mordor. 🦅
Wheel of Time is truly bad. Take a known and successful book series and contort it in such a way to break its one premise for the sake of catering to only 1% of the earth's population.
No. When you adapt a book to film change ONLY the format. Do NOT change the story in any way. Do not make it your own. It wasn't your story that people read and liked, it was the original author's story that got such acclaim. So keep the original.
LotR and GoT in the first seasons were so good because they kept to the original. The Hobbit and later GoT seasons failed badly because the original was not followed.
WoT starts out in the first 43 seconds by undermining its basic premise: that the Power is in SEPARATE halves based on the gender of the user. Instead of offend any trans folk they merged the two halves together. This will have severely DRASTIC consequences later in the story and will not be the story from the books at all.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against a trans story (FTR I really don't care) but WoT is not it. If Amazon wants to make a show about trans people, go for it. WoT is not that so don't try to make it into that. Stick with the original story.
Gandalf would have been INFINITELY better if it was a fake-out and he was a blue wizard. The only reason it wasn't confirmed in the first 5 seconds of his season 1 appearance was because it was by far the stupidest, and most boring option.
I hope you take a look at Wheel of Time soon! I just found your videos and I like your reviews. Looking forward to more!
I will indeed be covering Wheel of Time!
They should have let an AI write the Rings of Power, it would have definitely been an improvement over what we got.
How do you know they didn't?
They did
Can’t be that bad. After all, you’re still here after 3 years and 2 entire seasons. Heck, you’re here talking about the show in the off-season. It’s obviously quite important to you!
@@exantiuse497 we know they don't because this show is only artificial, there is no intelligence to be found.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x lol by that logic the holocaust wasn't "that bad" because people still talk about it. You must be a ROP fan.
I kind of always thought the power of the rings was fairly subtle, especially to those not wearing them. The elves maybe had a bit more perception toward it because they're more innately in tune with magic.
Having it act like an active stat item from a video game granting abilities seems.. misguided at best.
Thank you for putting into words the reason I can't be bothered to watch the second season, even though I downloaded it, weeks ago. 'Lord of the Rings' was the first epic fantasy book I ever read, but that was some forty years ago, so I don't remember all that much of it. My impression that 'Rings of Power' is not true to the original story is very vague, and I am not prepared to put in the effort it would take to better define it. Glad you did the work for me, so I can invest my energy into more worthwhile endeavours.
Lee pace as anatar would finish me. That man is so beautiful.
Secret tunnel....man avatar was sooo good.
that cut from lotr "Isildurr" had me cracking for 5 mins ahahahah great work and amazing review.
The worst part of not telling Celebrimbor is that they sended a message telling him Sauron's identity but it never arrived
I'm happy to see them continue the series. The majority of my friends are all LOTR fans we all read the books even played the mmo together for many years and absolutely loved the series. I'm grateful to see despite some peoples dislike they're still pushing ahead with the series. You can't make everyone happy and that's okay.
What i absolutly despise is the idea that, maybe, they are not "trying to fix it as they go" but that it was actually meant to go that route, the idea that the amazon writters looked at J.R.R Tolkien's writting and thought "Yeah, *I* know how to make it actually good"
"They're all starving in the middle of the desert, despite Nori literally wearing food in her hair."
- What beautiful indictment of this series.
The only lesson this show is teaching me is to never trust magic bling created by an evil man. No matter how fresh it makes you look.
is it bad i actually excited for a season 3/4/5, i already accepted this is not LOTR, this is some evil fanfiction. But the reviews and analysis are just so hilarious to watch
As i mentioned in the other video, this is one of the best analysos videos of RoP and one of the few written in good faith
I recommend watching Nerd's video where he interwiews the writers. They're not cut out for portraying Tolkein's world.
"Little soldier Timmy didn't want any rings, he didn't do anything wrong, why is he getting enslaved?"😂😂😂
The biggest argument that I've seen people using to defend ROP is that it's bringing new people to the franchise, but ROP is such a horrible introduction to tolkien's works that frankly, to me, it's offensively bad. I also don't really think that anyone new is actually being driven to the franchise through ROP. It's built to be nostalgia-bait for people who were casual enjoyers of the Jackson films, and makes no sense for new viewers. As someone who was introduced to tolkien via The Silmarillion a few years back, I didn't understand what was happening for most of ROP so I can only imagine how confusing it would be for someone new to tolkien.
Although, if they discarded the current 3 rings and had Celebrimbor forge new ones, it would still be with the techniques they learned from (such as they are) Saurbrand and would thus still contain that innate corruption. Like you said, in the books, Celebrimbor forged the rings last *without* Sauron's participation but were still influenced by the One Ring.
Also: mithril and Valinor gold and silver. 🤷♂️
@@BardicDesperation who says Celebrimbor has to use the same techniques? He could just... you know... not
@@gorcrow [Celebrimbor alloy face]
You're right! 😄
Does the book actually _say_ the elves would have been dominated if they used the three? I know it says they were angry and toon away their rings to not be dominated, but that could also refer to the other rings whose forging Sauron did participate in
@exantiuse497 I'm not quite sure if I get your question, but in the Silmarillion, it does say, "As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger, they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be the master of them, and of all that they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took of their rings x x x Now these were the Three that had last been made x x x Nanya, Nenya, and Vilya, they were named x x x"
Dude I just noticed, are you filming from Jon Trons old apartment? It looks so similar to the starwars konect review. Like same furniture and almost the same distance for this aperture.
Funny enough you are not the first person to say that. I don’t watch Jon Tron, but he must be a man of impeccable taste.
@@ajourneythroughcinema1271 Haha, I was having an uncanny moment where I started to make the connections! It was a great watch btw! Ty!
Just call him young Ned Stark..
This was a great analysis- I almost didn't tune in due to the thumbnail, I usually assume images altered to make faces look stupid means the content will be, too. Just saying - but, good stuff.
32:56 😂😂😂😂
Great review and recap of season 2! 👏
A Wheel of Time breakdown would be quite the project, simply because there's more meat to chew on with that series. Since RoP is adapted from appendices and notes, not every little detail is contradicting something from the books. In the WoT show, it seemed like everything had something noticably off, even if it wasn't egregious (although it often was).
If we think a bit of "4 days walk," it can translate into 240km distance if a person walks 12 hours per day with a speed of 5km/h. That is the size of a small country!
You're right, dwarves also went extinct because of darwinism.
I did think it was kind of weird how the hobbits walk around with fruit in their hair while starving. You'd think the fruit would dry out in the sun, so surely they must've found fresh ones at some point during the last few days. So did they come upon a fruit tree with like six olives on it and decided to store them in their hair and not eat them while starving??
Wait. They're doing a series about the Silmarillion and they didn't get the rights to the Silmarillion?
What
Who would've thought that people who think it's important to have a fantasy world resemble modern day California, would write bad fantasy.
@@jesperburns Your obsession with the race of characters is bizzare and creepy. They aren’t what is flawed about this show.
@theketaminekid1241 Your assumptions are meaningless and silly
They sent a messenger to Eregion, he got waylaid in the dark forest. Why was the messenger going through there and not a safer route? Don't know. Why didn't they send multiple messengers by different routes? Don't know. Also, I think the story is that the elven rings are so corrupt that even looking at them warps the mind into wanting to protect them.
Could you please stop making plotholes? FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!! also, great review!
8:27 "and they both developed the rings together" - wrong. Celebrimbor wrought the three rings on his own, and Sauron's hand never touched them.
‘And a ring of power each for Shemp, Curly and Moe…”
Dude i discovered your channel about a week ago and i was verry happy to see another video,your reviews are solid and your style is pleasant.About RoP,it is just another boring stupid unimaginative show plain and simple,what is different about this,is all the sweet sweet backlash,so many hours of content
Who TF watches stupid, unimaginative and boring TV shows? And “HOURS” of so-called “content” about them?
Dude, how embarrassing. Some ppl have WAY too much time on their hands. Sheiiitt, I worked since age 14, double-majored in Bio & Econ in college, went to medical school & got into 4, almost always had a BF, almost died 4x (lot of time in ICU’s, hospital, and even a nursing home for after care), have been married for a decade, and have 2 young daughters. Meanwhile, there’s brain-dead ppl zoning out on “content” (lmao, as if it could be called that) about shows they claim to hate. Not even ones they LIKE. Ppl w/ that kind of time HAVE no life to speak of. Parents must be so disappointed
And um btw, commas are followed by a space. Independent clauses are joined by a semicolon (;), NOT a comma, otherwise you have a “comma splice” error. Periods are followed by 1 (or 2) spaces. I’ll leave it at that for now. Too many hours on YT when u should be in school.
You were really light on ridiculous nature of of the battle.
The trebuchets that can shoot for miles into the mountains?
The easily dammed river and nearly dry riverbed?
The REDICULOUS siege weapon that's like a reverse ballista, that can somehow rip out mortared stones instead of it's spikes just detaching from the wall?
The line of convenient darkness allowing the orcs to stand against the charging elves?
That "who the fuck was what?" elf getting pincushion'd from coordinated orcs in multiple directions, attempting to pull off a Boromir moment?
It was SO stupid.
The thing about the Dwarves rings making them seek gold is. That was a thing. The way they portrayed it was just bad. Their obsession actually led to vast prosperity within the Dwarven kingdoms, with the side effect of making them very isolationist. This is what led to their encounter with Smaug in the hobbit. Who was attracted by their affluent wealth
The Dwarves were obsessed with gold but weren't mentally unsound because of it. Quite the contrary. The whole point was that due to their singular obsession. They were uncorruptable. The whole reason why every Men were given rings is because they were corruptable in comparison.
Something that always seems to be forgotten as well. The main Rings of Power weren't the only rings. While making the rings given to all the different kings and rulers of the elves, dwarves, and men. Many minor rings were made in the process. Who more often had singular purposes in comparison to the world altering nature of the main rings. Kind of a key aspect of why the one ring was such a big deal. The rings had been scattered everywhere.
‘Dad, please don’t f*ck this up.’ ~ Bezos' son.
Elrond speaks highly of you. Durin: No he doesn't. He forgot I existed for 20 years until he wanted something from the dwarves.
After the Lord of the Rings movie was softly criticized for having basically no female characters, you'd think these writers would consider allowing Galadriel, who is a thousands-of-years old, immortal wizard-woman, not to fall in love with some dude she met like... yesterday. It's really tacky to give her a teen crush, as if she's not fully capable of controlling her emotions. (Although she acts like a child in several other respects in this series, so...)
She's one of the oldest Elves in Middle Earth, I think older than the High King and way older than Elrond. Feanor, the greatest Elf basically ever, couldnt sway her. She would never ever be influenced by Sauron like this, and would never behave this ... teenagerish?
Love the Planet of the Apes clip. RIP Charlton Heston.
y'know
one of the things that always angered me about the end of season one was the missed opportunity.
There's no reason for Galadriel to suggest they make the rings after what she's learned, but she goes ahead with it anyway without saying anything.
What I think would've been a seemingly smarter thing to 'sort of' stay within Tolkien Canon was to have had Sauron vanish Galadriel - maybe have her trapped in Mordor who knows - and have the Galadriel that's there actually 'be' Sauron as that then still keeps things linked to him helping forge the Rings.
It would've then made sense when things start going badly as he's the manipulator and turning people against each other while then handing out the rings to others as gifts or something while being Anatar and leaning into it by never having the fake Galadriel and Anatar in the same place at the same time, Superman that thing to hell and back..
Could've even led to the end of s2 where we're shown the real Galadriel returned as the wiser one who isn't insane and violent opposing Sauron, diving him out after the fall - even if Eregeon isn't right at this time - which then could've led to him being captured by - who was in the Mordor area all this time, Isildur?! - and have him take Sauron captive so that it then can lead to season 3's fall of Numenor.
But no. We got the same trite rubbish we had last season.
My god...she could have found Celeborn imprisoned as well and gotten _somewhat_ closer to cannon. They could have pulled from Beren and Luthien and have her break him out.
And it turns out she's completely changed from the person he remembers, they can say his apparent death was the final straw that pushed her over the edge, and in saving him she remembers what its like to fight for love instead of vengeance and she can get on track to being actual Galadriel. We can pretend this was just a weird, midlife crisis nobody ever talked about.
@@bloodyneptune See I didn't even think of Celeborn but you're right, doing that could fix so much in returning Galadriel into the image she is in the books.
But no...let's stick with the cheesy daytime romance crap we got.
Lol I love the self-own of trying to make Galadriel this girlboss, and then she's the one who's responsible for everything bad that ever happens ever again.
Cant believe that Rings of Power made update to racist stereotype about super powers:
Mexican = speedster
Brazilian = double jump
Elf = immune to fall damage
Hey, I'm Brazilian and didn't know about the double jump stereotype.
Where did it come from? And how can I acquire it?
all they had to do was to say its "alternate version" not ADAPTATION as they said
10:34 That's a cool power. But alas, elves are not immune to fall damage. Rest In Peace, Glorfindel ... for a time. And then come back and become a subspace ghost hunter, because that IS within their realm of possibility. lol
Fantastic review. It’s a shame the writers for this show are terrible and that they didn’t spend the money to get the correct rights. Wtf
I can't wait for this whole circus act to be over so we can forget it existed in the first place.
the moral was missed because moralizing tales are considered bad writing by screen writers these days. The desire to make everyone just a misunderstood person misses the point that this was supposed to be a mythic tale at its core - clear messages would only make the story better.
Correction, it's barrow wights.
A barrow is an old burial site. Britain's got a lot of them.
I would really like to know where that quote frome George rr martin was taken from, since I can't find any interview 31:30
If I remember right, it was from a Rolling Stone interview
Thank you for the video. I've been frustrated with this Amazon series and I'm glad that I am not alone in my confusion. I suspect it was not created with Tolkien fans in mind and is instead for a cash-grab. I frankly find the series insulting towards the "source" Tolkien material.
I’m sorry, but even the tear that Annatar sheds, when he kills Celebrimbor, means nothing. You don’t care for someone that you’ve spent the entire relationship manipulating into doing something against their will. You only do that to someone you despise. There is no real comradeship between these two, it’s just manufactured for dramatic effect.
My favorit part was when galadriel said : its mothafuckn galadri time and galadrield all over the orcs
39:55 yeah, except that one that Calebrimbor pushed off the wall, that one didnt have the plot armor on.
I admire people that had strength and courage in them to watch this abomination and live to tell others about it.
Not that happy with your discussion on book accuracy as it pertains to Sauron's ability to dominate minds without the Ring. In the LotR, you only ever see Sauron control anyone via the usage of Ring of Power with the nazguls. Anyone else is controlled by him without any influence of a Ring, as he isn't in possession of the One Ring. Unfinished Tales explains how the nazgul were different in that they are completely enslaved to his mind and wouldn't even be tempted by the One Ring, as Sauron possessed the Nine Rings.