Dear Helmut, Your channel is growing proportionally to gas prices 😁. I'm glad You are constantly increasing the quality. Great reviews! That KIA Sportage hybrid is still on my list. But I see that the HRV hybrid test is coming, as well- this is going to be the new champion. 😊
Now I really want to go to Innsbruck and have you test my Passat Ecofuel from 2010! I've been looking at a Toyota hybrid for a long time but they need be even more fuel economical for me to make a switch! All the best from Uppsala, Sweden
Toyota prius 92 grams co2 per km, Passat 1.4 TSI EcoFuel which produces an average of 117 grams of CO2 per kilometer. Times that by 10,000 km then times that by 10 years.
@@roywalker7512 We will all die because of Co2 increasing by 0.001% in next 200 years if vulcanos are on standby of course, it's a enevetable disaster... 😮
Same drivetrain is in many other Toyotas. In Europe this shape is not very popular, SUVs and Compacts sell much better, so it's no surprise sales figures are pretty low.
Great video Helmut Thank you ! Looks you have been driving the eAWD version which is actually little less efficient the the normal FWD. I think it is worth noting it. I saw your AWD screen on the beginning of your video while you scroll through menus. I drive Prius Plug-in every for last 3 years and love this car for efficiency.
Hi, I simply forgot to mention this, as almost all Toyota Hybrids sold around here which are available as AWD are AWD, as people around here seem to think it's necessary.
That's impressive, even more so when I consider it is the AWD version of Prius, that has slightly higher consumption. Prius sales are pretty much non-existent in my country as well, as I ever notice 1 new Prius in my general vicinity (old ones are not so rare) and ... Prius PHVs I saw like 3 of those on Czech "roads". It's pretty hard to miss a Prius on the road, it's like seeing a rare unicorn passing by ... oddly shaped unicorn, but you get the idea.
Hi Helmut! Would you mind putting Suzuki Swift dualjet 1.2 on the list of cars you plan to test in the future? I am interested if dualjet technology provides any noticeable advantage in fuel economy compared to other cars this size. Anyway great informational video as always!
Hey, would be possible for you to test golf mk7 with 1.6 diesel engine? I've heard they have incredibly low fuel consumption and would love to see you test it
Hi, I've already done such a test with a friends Golf with this very engine (81 kW), however something was wrong with the engine, I only managed 4,9 l/100 kms, so I won't make a video of it. On Spritmonitor I see consumptions of down to 4 l/100 kms, so I guessed I'll be able to stay below 4.
I need your opinion. I was driving a couple of times from Innsbruck (~570m over sea level )to Kühtai (~2020m over sea level ) and back. I have a golf 1,2 tsi from 2014. I never managed consumption below 6L/100km on this route (in winter, cold starts, winter tires). Up the hill I try to use as high gear as possible - a lot of times 4 or sometimes 5 gear (final), usualy I try to stay at around 2000 rpm uphill... Do you think slowing down and using only lower gears (1-3) and not pressing so much gas pedal would help the consumption uphill? Because to get to high gears uphill I have to press the gas pedal quite hard, turbo spools up, A/F ratio is than probably a bit rich. I have seen BSFC maps of some small turbo engines and it seems @~2000-3500rpm and 70-80% load is a sweet spot. What do you think?
Normally it increases the load if you press the pedal hard, but of course keep the revs down. I don't know the character of this engine, but with turbos I normally try to release the pressure on the pedal once the turbo kicks in, as this otherwise would increase the power output and therefore the energy input. "Sweet Spot" means that it's its most efficient area of burning fuel, but that doesn't necessarily mean the overall consumption is low. What helps on a road like Kühtai (rather "steppy") is to do what I call "playing with the road" in my videos, go into the climb rather quickly, then slowly reduce the speed and re-accelerate once it flattens. On the way down just try to avoid stepping on the Gas-pedal, there are only 2 short sections (if memory serves me correctly) where you need to do so, otherwise just try to make use of the injection cut-off and coast.
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Your region probably have minimum wind drag. My region Inland Northwest of the US has significant wind draft, which should have decreased MPG noticeably. I drive a 2020 AWD XLE
There is almost always wind in the valley where I am doing this test, but as I am driving there and back (open-road and motorway) it doesn't really matter overall. As long as you are not driving with or against the wind ALL THE TIME it's not really a significant factor. Btw, have you ever heard of "Foehn"? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind Thats what we cope with, up to 120 kph strong (75 mph).
what was the wheel size? 17inch? Because Prius the best car/hybrid on the market in therm of eficienncy, it should be even better than Swace with the same engine. Does Swace have 15inch?
Both are on 16 in. Efficiency of the drivetrain is actually the same as with the Swace, as both have the latest version of HSD. Aerodynamic differences at 105 kph max are not really that significant, it might be small things that make a difference, e.g. wind direction on motorway, traffic (with Swace I was much slower, due to other traffic), measuring tolerances, etc.
@@ecodriver1746 I’m pretty sure those Prius alloys are 17” rims…..I had my Excel level downgraded to 15” rims to get improved co2 for lower company car tax. The 15” rims also give slightly better fuel consumption and better ride quality but do look rubbish compared to the 17”. A non AWD on 15” would give you yet more mpg (or L/p 100km). Best Mike. I really like my Prius.
My current 5'000 mile plus average is 62.5 UK mpg on my Honda Civic 1.6 dtec. My wife's Toyota Aygo is 10'000 miles plus at 58.5. I think the driver makes the difference 😂
I'm also a big fan of Austria. I've visited the Tirol, Ellmau in particular, around 10 times. Maybe next time I'll need to explore further afield to your Eco Loop in a hire car.
as it says, full hybrid. There are 3 forms of hybrid drivetrains, FHEV (Full hybrid Electric Vehicle) MHEV (Mild...) PHEV (Plug-In....) FHEV can drive electric only (normally for 1-2 kms) and can't be charged externally.
You hit the Motorway 3.6 avg and left 3.9 avg. You drove 20km and had previously 35km trip. So your FE on motorway was not 3.4 but 4.4L/100km by my calculation...
It's 4,6, as seen at the comparison table and at the green summary at the end. I noted that there is an error with the 3,4 during the trip. Apologies for that.
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Dear Helmut, Your channel is growing proportionally to gas prices 😁. I'm glad You are constantly increasing the quality. Great reviews! That KIA Sportage hybrid is still on my list. But I see that the HRV hybrid test is coming, as well- this is going to be the new champion. 😊
Thanks Gordon! Wouldn't be so sure about the HRV ;)
With the same Toyota, I had an average fuel consumption of 2.9 l/100km on the test circuit. It is a very economical car.
Now I really want to go to Innsbruck and have you test my Passat Ecofuel from 2010! I've been looking at a Toyota hybrid for a long time but they need be even more fuel economical for me to make a switch! All the best from Uppsala, Sweden
Thanks, greetings back to Sverige!
Toyota prius 92 grams co2 per km, Passat 1.4 TSI EcoFuel which produces an average of 117 grams of CO2 per kilometer. Times that by 10,000 km then times that by 10 years.
@@roywalker7512 You are making a point... keep going...
@@roywalker7512
We will all die because of Co2 increasing by 0.001% in next 200 years if vulcanos are on standby of course, it's a enevetable disaster... 😮
3.6l/100km is such a fantastic final result. Can't believe this car came out such a long time ago. Shame it didn't get massive adoption.
Same drivetrain is in many other Toyotas. In Europe this shape is not very popular, SUVs and Compacts sell much better, so it's no surprise sales figures are pretty low.
Great drive and tips. The Prius has started to get overlooked, still a great Hybrid. It's the m-way consumption really impresses.
Thanks!
Great video Helmut Thank you ! Looks you have been driving the eAWD version which is actually little less efficient the the normal FWD. I think it is worth noting it. I saw your AWD screen on the beginning of your video while you scroll through menus. I drive Prius Plug-in every for last 3 years and love this car for efficiency.
Hi, I simply forgot to mention this, as almost all Toyota Hybrids sold around here which are available as AWD are AWD, as people around here seem to think it's necessary.
Fantastic video again! 😃
thanks!!
Really helpful video thank you mate ...can you please review honda hrv 1.5 hybrid thank you
Hi, thanks, you're welcome.
I've already done the test with the HRV-Hybrid, Video will be published in two weeks.
That's great thank you
That's impressive, even more so when I consider it is the AWD version of Prius, that has slightly higher consumption.
Prius sales are pretty much non-existent in my country as well, as I ever notice 1 new Prius in my general vicinity (old ones are not so rare) and ... Prius PHVs I saw like 3 of those on Czech "roads".
It's pretty hard to miss a Prius on the road, it's like seeing a rare unicorn passing by ... oddly shaped unicorn, but you get the idea.
LOL, thanks
Thanks Helmut, at the beginning of the video you did mention a German website that had real life consumption data, what was the site's name?
It's spritmonitor.de
Hi Helmut! Would you mind putting Suzuki Swift dualjet 1.2 on the list of cars you plan to test in the future? I am interested if dualjet technology provides any noticeable advantage in fuel economy compared to other cars this size. Anyway great informational video as always!
Thanks Jan! I'll put it on my list.
Hey, would be possible for you to test golf mk7 with 1.6 diesel engine? I've heard they have incredibly low fuel consumption and would love to see you test it
Hi, I've already done such a test with a friends Golf with this very engine (81 kW), however something was wrong with the engine, I only managed 4,9 l/100 kms, so I won't make a video of it. On Spritmonitor I see consumptions of down to 4 l/100 kms, so I guessed I'll be able to stay below 4.
I need your opinion. I was driving a couple of times from Innsbruck (~570m over sea level )to Kühtai (~2020m over sea level ) and back. I have a golf 1,2 tsi from 2014. I never managed consumption below 6L/100km on this route (in winter, cold starts, winter tires). Up the hill I try to use as high gear as possible - a lot of times 4 or sometimes 5 gear (final), usualy I try to stay at around 2000 rpm uphill... Do you think slowing down and using only lower gears (1-3) and not pressing so much gas pedal would help the consumption uphill? Because to get to high gears uphill I have to press the gas pedal quite hard, turbo spools up, A/F ratio is than probably a bit rich. I have seen BSFC maps of some small turbo engines and it seems @~2000-3500rpm and 70-80% load is a sweet spot. What do you think?
Normally it increases the load if you press the pedal hard, but of course keep the revs down. I don't know the character of this engine, but with turbos I normally try to release the pressure on the pedal once the turbo kicks in, as this otherwise would increase the power output and therefore the energy input. "Sweet Spot" means that it's its most efficient area of burning fuel, but that doesn't necessarily mean the overall consumption is low.
What helps on a road like Kühtai (rather "steppy") is to do what I call "playing with the road" in my videos, go into the climb rather quickly, then slowly reduce the speed and re-accelerate once it flattens. On the way down just try to avoid stepping on the Gas-pedal, there are only 2 short sections (if memory serves me correctly) where you need to do so, otherwise just try to make use of the injection cut-off and coast.
Your region probably have minimum wind drag. My region Inland Northwest of the US has significant wind draft, which should have decreased MPG noticeably. I drive a 2020 AWD XLE
There is almost always wind in the valley where I am doing this test, but as I am driving there and back (open-road and motorway) it doesn't really matter overall. As long as you are not driving with or against the wind ALL THE TIME it's not really a significant factor.
Btw, have you ever heard of "Foehn"?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind
Thats what we cope with, up to 120 kph strong (75 mph).
Can you do the 2022 Honda jazz? thx
I've done the 2021 Jazz Hybrid, Video will come soon.
@@ecodriver1746 🙏 will take a look when ready.
what was the wheel size? 17inch? Because Prius the best car/hybrid on the market in therm of eficienncy, it should be even better than Swace with the same engine. Does Swace have 15inch?
Both are on 16 in. Efficiency of the drivetrain is actually the same as with the Swace, as both have the latest version of HSD. Aerodynamic differences at 105 kph max are not really that significant, it might be small things that make a difference, e.g. wind direction on motorway, traffic (with Swace I was much slower, due to other traffic), measuring tolerances, etc.
@@ecodriver1746 I’m pretty sure those Prius alloys are 17” rims…..I had my Excel level downgraded to 15” rims to get improved co2 for lower company car tax. The 15” rims also give slightly better fuel consumption and better ride quality but do look rubbish compared to the 17”. A non AWD on 15” would give you yet more mpg (or L/p 100km). Best Mike. I really like my Prius.
Good Ecoing
Thanks.
My current 5'000 mile plus average is 62.5 UK mpg on my Honda Civic 1.6 dtec. My wife's Toyota Aygo is 10'000 miles plus at 58.5. I think the driver makes the difference 😂
I'm also a big fan of Austria. I've visited the Tirol, Ellmau in particular, around 10 times. Maybe next time I'll need to explore further afield to your Eco Loop in a hire car.
Great!!
what do you mean by "Full hybrid"??
as it says, full hybrid.
There are 3 forms of hybrid drivetrains,
FHEV (Full hybrid Electric Vehicle)
MHEV (Mild...)
PHEV (Plug-In....)
FHEV can drive electric only (normally for 1-2 kms) and can't be charged externally.
You hit the Motorway 3.6 avg and left 3.9 avg. You drove 20km and had previously 35km trip. So your FE on motorway was not 3.4 but 4.4L/100km by my calculation...
It's 4,6, as seen at the comparison table and at the green summary at the end. I noted that there is an error with the 3,4 during the trip. Apologies for that.
Ecodriver, what a oxymoron, cars are wasteful no matter what.
Hence this channel, to help drivers be less wasteful with their cars.