Helmut, Thanks for your video. The Prime does weigh a lot more than the RAV 4 hybrid. Still 56 MPG is really good MPG's for a vehicle here in the U.S. is rated at 38 MPG in hybrid mode. I believe the vehicle you were driving may be equipped with larger tires, 19 inch, our 2022 RAV 4 Prime SE (base model) has 18 inch tires and I keep all 4 inflated to the sidewall max. pressure at 51 P.S.I. Yesterday I checked the MPG I obtained in pure Hybrid Mode with a depleted battery after 3 fishing trips. I filled up with regular 87 octane gasoline which has 10% ethanol added at Costco. The price of gasoline here is $4.799 per gallon. I filled up the same way as last time, with the lowest setting on the pump handle and when it clicked off I removed the nozzle, just like last time for consistency. Gasoline pumped: 3.539 gal. Total HV gas miles: 187.8 Calculated: 53.065 MPG Computer average for 3 trips: 53.866 MPG For a all wheel drive vehicle that weighs loaded with all our fishing gear with my wife and I at 4,750 lbs beats all the other similar vehicles out there. The 50 + mile electric range is just a bonus with electric rates here only .11 cents per KWH.
Running that pressure will not help your range. That's way too much, and the car will handle like crap. Try it at maybe 5-6 PSI over what is recommended. More won''t help you. All you do is waste money on tyre wear.
Hi Helmut. Thanks for your videos that give the idea of consumption. Some time ago I asked if you were planning to test the new lexus NX plug in. I guess I can take this as a reference, being the cousin machine. But if you can take the lexus test it would be nice. Greetings
Greetings from Serbia :) Thank you once again for a wonderfull video and really nice results. One idea for your testing, when you will have a chance, could you please just test different models where you will use EV power taken while Gasoline Engine is charging the battery? I think we could see very interesting results if you agree.
Great test Helmut, as usual! Sorry if I missed it, but with the electricity consumption included along with the petrol, what would be the final cost per 100km? Thank You, keep up with the great videos! 😁👏👏
Thanks Gordon. Talking about electric consumption, with PHEV's it's not that straigtforward to anwer, as it mainly depends on the length of the trip. And about cost, well cost of electricity and fuel changes so quickly these days and it also depends where you get the electricity from, at home I pay around Euro 0,20 per kWh, on the road Eur 0,45. And sometimes you get it for free...
As usual very detailed test. Toyota did an interesting choice with the RAV4 prime. They did sacrifice some of the efficiency in exchange for the power. The RAV4 prime has around 35% more output and comes standard with all wheel drive which the Kuga doesn't have even as an option. Toyota did study the market very well and they make sure to differentiate the prime from the normal RAV4 hybrid. No option is wrong and both the Kuga and the prime are excellent options only they are not the same even though they are competing with each other. Want the maximum efficiency with a plug ? Here is the Kuga. Want great efficiency with a plug very good power and longer electric only range ? Here is the prime
Can I ask a question about regenerative braking power limits? If you go down on rav4 from a very high hill for a very long time. Can you also charge the battery up to 80 % like in combustion engine mode by the button near the shifter? I have seen your videos with a Prius HEV where the battery becomes full so fast, you said that it takes 40-45kwt max power to charge it, but Prius was FWD and this RAV4 is AWD and it sounds like it can do more regen power from 2 motors? What max KWT power has regular EVs like the Hyundai Kona? Are those cars able to do more stronger regenerative braking than Toyota plugins? Also, I have seen a Tesla video where a dude charged 14kwt just by regenerative coasting from very high hills. Can rav4 do the same With his big plug-in battery? Because 14kwt from the Tesla example sounds like a full battery of Rav4
Battery can't be full. It has 6 hill decent modes for regeneration. If you want hybrid, this is still the best car. 2024 Mitsubishi outlander is only realistic comparable thing.
If you look at the overall weight of the wheels, they are pretty much the same, so no. What tyres you choose will matter more. I run 20" summer wheels with Conti EcoContac 6Q and get better mileage than any of the OEM wheels. I did make sure to get a fairly light wheel though. My 20" rims are 3 kg lighter per rim than the OEM 19" rims.
For example if you drive from Innsbruck to idk Sesto on old road, will you use EV mode on uphill parts of the road or on parts where you drive longer in EV range so you get more percentage in EV driving?
Just sold our Grandland X Hybrid4 and got a Rav4. It has been a massive let-down of a car. The range was abysmal and the quality was just not there. The Rav4 is leaps and bounds ahead of the Grandland. Just scratch it off your list, it's not a good car. In summer under good conditions where AC use was not needed etc. you can hypermile it to between 50 and 52 km on a full charge, but that's the exception, not the norm. In good conditions expect about 44-46 km on a charge. In winter, it will drop to about 28-32 km depending on temps. Fuel range was about 10-11 km per litre, yep, that bad.
@@Mario-tw5sk 38 miles on electric, 40mpg on petrol average. 75 mpg combined. (English miles) will be using mostly EV form now on, as have found cheap night time tariff. How about you?
Bellissimo video e ottima analisi. Grazie
Helmut, Thanks for your video. The Prime does weigh a lot more than the RAV 4 hybrid. Still 56 MPG is really good MPG's for a vehicle here in the U.S. is rated at 38 MPG in hybrid mode. I believe the vehicle you were driving may be equipped with larger tires, 19 inch, our 2022 RAV 4 Prime SE (base model) has 18 inch tires and I keep all 4 inflated to the sidewall max. pressure at 51 P.S.I.
Yesterday I checked the MPG I obtained in pure Hybrid Mode with a depleted battery after 3 fishing trips. I filled up with regular 87 octane gasoline which has 10% ethanol added at Costco. The price of gasoline here is $4.799 per gallon. I filled up the same way as last time, with the lowest setting on the pump handle and when it clicked off I removed the nozzle, just like last time for consistency.
Gasoline pumped: 3.539 gal.
Total HV gas miles: 187.8
Calculated: 53.065 MPG
Computer average for 3 trips: 53.866 MPG
For a all wheel drive vehicle that weighs loaded with all our fishing gear with my wife and I at 4,750 lbs beats all the other similar vehicles out there. The 50 + mile electric range is just a bonus with electric rates here only .11 cents per KWH.
You're welcome!
Running that pressure will not help your range. That's way too much, and the car will handle like crap. Try it at maybe 5-6 PSI over what is recommended. More won''t help you. All you do is waste money on tyre wear.
Cool car, we don't have this model in Australia,plug in hybrids are a great idea while charging infrastructure is not adequate yet
That's a pity. However, for most PHEVs overnight charging at the household plug is the most common way, as they normally charge quite slowly.
You don't really need EV "infrastructure" for a PEHV.
The idea is to charge it at home.
Hi Helmut. Thanks for your videos that give the idea of consumption. Some time ago I asked if you were planning to test the new lexus NX plug in. I guess I can take this as a reference, being the cousin machine. But if you can take the lexus test it would be nice. Greetings
Hi Andrea, not sure whether I can get it, as my Toyota-Dealer doesn't sell Lexuses (or is it Lexi?), and the other Dealer who does isn't cooperative.
Greetings from Serbia :)
Thank you once again for a wonderfull video and really nice results.
One idea for your testing, when you will have a chance, could you please just test different models where you will use EV power taken while Gasoline Engine is charging the battery?
I think we could see very interesting results if you agree.
I am planning to do this soon with my Volvo XC90.
@@ecodriver1746 sounds fantastic:)
Great test Helmut, as usual! Sorry if I missed it, but with the electricity consumption included along with the petrol, what would be the final cost per 100km? Thank You, keep up with the great videos! 😁👏👏
Thanks Gordon. Talking about electric consumption, with PHEV's it's not that straigtforward to anwer, as it mainly depends on the length of the trip.
And about cost, well cost of electricity and fuel changes so quickly these days and it also depends where you get the electricity from, at home I pay around Euro 0,20 per kWh, on the road Eur 0,45. And sometimes you get it for free...
It doesn't surprise me that Rav4 showed this consumption, it's a heavy car but I'm shocked to find out Kuga did a lot better.
I am not really, as it is a similar drivetrain (Ford uses basically the previous version of Aisin/Toyota's HSD) and the Kuga is lighter.
As usual very detailed test.
Toyota did an interesting choice with the RAV4 prime. They did sacrifice some of the efficiency in exchange for the power. The RAV4 prime has around 35% more output and comes standard with all wheel drive which the Kuga doesn't have even as an option. Toyota did study the market very well and they make sure to differentiate the prime from the normal RAV4 hybrid. No option is wrong and both the Kuga and the prime are excellent options only they are not the same even though they are competing with each other.
Want the maximum efficiency with a plug ? Here is the Kuga.
Want great efficiency with a plug very good power and longer electric only range ? Here is the prime
Thanks!
On your test was the RAV4 plugin on EV/HV mode, or Auto EV/HV mode? Which is best on a 100mile run?
Can I ask a question about regenerative braking power limits? If you go down on rav4 from a very high hill for a very long time. Can you also charge the battery up to 80 % like in combustion engine mode by the button near the shifter? I have seen your videos with a Prius HEV where the battery becomes full so fast, you said that it takes 40-45kwt max power to charge it, but Prius was FWD and this RAV4 is AWD and it sounds like it can do more regen power from 2 motors? What max KWT power has regular EVs like the Hyundai Kona? Are those cars able to do more stronger regenerative braking than Toyota plugins? Also, I have seen a Tesla video where a dude charged 14kwt just by regenerative coasting from very high hills. Can rav4 do the same With his big plug-in battery? Because 14kwt from the Tesla example sounds like a full battery of Rav4
Battery can't be full. It has 6 hill decent modes for regeneration. If you want hybrid, this is still the best car. 2024 Mitsubishi outlander is only realistic comparable thing.
when a test with Audi Q7 e TFSI 55/60 ?
Does the wheel size affect the mig tho the prime has 19" and hybrid has 18" ?
Might well be that this is a factor in this.
If you look at the overall weight of the wheels, they are pretty much the same, so no. What tyres you choose will matter more. I run 20" summer wheels with Conti EcoContac 6Q and get better mileage than any of the OEM wheels. I did make sure to get a fairly light wheel though. My 20" rims are 3 kg lighter per rim than the OEM 19" rims.
What is better on plug in hybrid on longer trips to use EV mode on uphill or on straights?
For example if you drive from Innsbruck to idk Sesto on old road, will you use EV mode on uphill parts of the road or on parts where you drive longer in EV range so you get more percentage in EV driving?
I hate SUV's truck likeness. Are there lowering springs for this car?
Why then buying an SUV? If you get a lower car in the first place you don't need to mess with it... :)
@@ecodriver1746 it has low consumption and co2 as well as crazy acceleration and toyota quality. Enough?
I'm sure Toyota will bring some other PHEV models onto the market in due course.
@@ecodriver1746 I've stopped waiting for one. :) It'll then be a surprise if it happens some day..
Yes you can get lowering springs for it.
AND THE OPEL GRANLAND 300 CH PHEV ?
Unfortunately, our local Opel-Dealer is not very helpful.
Just sold our Grandland X Hybrid4 and got a Rav4. It has been a massive let-down of a car. The range was abysmal and the quality was just not there. The Rav4 is leaps and bounds ahead of the Grandland. Just scratch it off your list, it's not a good car.
In summer under good conditions where AC use was not needed etc. you can hypermile it to between 50 and 52 km on a full charge, but that's the exception, not the norm. In good conditions expect about 44-46 km on a charge. In winter, it will drop to about 28-32 km depending on temps. Fuel range was about 10-11 km per litre, yep, that bad.
@@AB-80X ok merci pour l info bye
A tad tedious to be honest.
Thanks for being honest.
You at a party?
Ev can go 130 but you can only go 100? Screw that crap. I'd be driving 130 and pay no fines for it either. A limit is for all
So glad I got the Hyundai Tucson PHEV instead, this Toyota is hideous!
What range u getting
@@Mario-tw5sk 38 miles on electric, 40mpg on petrol average. 75 mpg combined. (English miles) will be using mostly EV form now on, as have found cheap night time tariff. How about you?
Well, at least Toyota owners won't have to be seen in a Hyundai.