100k mi Tesla Model 3 Performance Battery Degradation & 70-MPH Highway Range Test
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- Kyle joins you at the Loveland, Colorado Supercharger where he sets off on another test for our 100,000 mile Tesla Model 3 series! This time he is primarily testing the degradation or battery capacity loss after the mileage put on this car. Stay tuned to the end for all of the nerdy TeslaFi data!
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So after 100,000 miles, still has 67 kWh (90.5%) left out of the original 74 kWh, very impressive
Could you maybe help me figure out how much 271 Wh/mi is in KWh/100 km?
@@sondremathias8984 The ratio is 1 wh/mi = 0.062 kwh/100km. so 271 wh/mi = 16.8 kwh/100km
Depends on where you live and how much you drive. That 10% could be the difference pf charging at home vs using a supercharger EVERY day. Which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the ev schtick.
@@jebes909090No it couldn’t
Great video. Thanks for putting in the time!
This video series comes at maybe the perfect time for us. My wife needs a new car for an hour commute and everything has markups, so we are considering a model 3. We tend to keep cars "for the life of the car", and so degradation is pretty important. We got 17 years out of this prius and its battery. While I am unsure that happens in a Tesla, I'd be happy with ten years 200k miles, if I am being completely honest. The added safety features and just safety of the vehicle in general are definitely top reasons we are looking too.
Have a test drive in Warwick scheduled this week! Will be our first time in a Tesla.
Get a bmw i4 e drive 40. 300 miles is very good and it will be very comfortable and ig the tech features are way better.
@@Cookiechan10 lmaoo
I meant features that can be used and are not gimmicks.
@@Cookiechan10 you just have to be a bmw D-rider to be recommending the i4 over a tesla
@@a-don13 u are just sad other companies make better vehicles than Tesla. The only thing they have are super chargers and superchargers are not the future. Replaceable batteries would become mainstream.
Very good test man. Keep it up!
Love these nerdy videos. Please go more in depth with teslafi, and other apps that allow you to geek out on the tesla
The best video Ive seen on the subject. Thank you.
Congratulations you are now popping up on my Google feed with this video.
The other thing you glanced over on your Teslafi data is how the drop curve actually did level itself off after that initial 6-8% loss. The Loss after wasn't as bad as that first 5-6%. Backing what most of internal tesla memos and discussions have shown. I know on my 50k mile mid-range (profile picture) I've lost 8% so far, but I have also far less supercharged my car vs. what you have done! Nominal full on my mid-range was 64.3, usable was 61.3 when I got it new. It now has reports 59.1 nominal full and usable is around 56.1 or so. Its been at this level for the last 20-30k miles now. It started chewing itself pretty quickly after 20,000 miles and stopped.
Degradation plateau is normal
I’m down to 275 mile which is 11%. I have 50k miles on the car
That’s actually really good. I’m impressed.
I enjoyed your video and appreciate the detailed demonstration of battery life and range at various speeds. Your content is excellent! I have a suggestion for a potential future video-could you explore the range at higher speeds, like 70 MPH, 90 MPH, and even exceeding 100 MPH? I think it would be interesting to see how far you can go at those faster speeds. Keep up the great work.
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Great video
For SCIENCE! Great job!
Great vid as usual and gobs of great data. My Lifetime wh/mi on our 2020 LR AWD Y is 267, which includes 7500 miles of highway trips, my odometer reads 18,050 miles as it sits. Oh and I recently replaced my side repeater cameras to fix the nighttime turn signal flashing issue, the new cameras are awesome. I'm having the new Rev C wiper arms installed next week. I want to keep our Y as current as possible. Thanks for all you do for us EV owners that don't data log as you do.
I'm curious. Is there a list of what upgrades can be retrofitted for the Model Y? I'd love to get the double pane windows
@@emblemboy I contact a Service Advisor at my local Service Center and or monitor posts on the TMC forum. I did ask if the new Bio-Defense HEPA Filter could be retro fitted and was told no. I haven’t asked about the glass but many claim it possible. I also wanted to add a Heated Steering Wheel and was told it’s not possible. So at some point it’ll just make more sense financially to just sell my Y and order a new one. But I’m waiting for an Austin Y with the 4680 batteries.
@@emblemboy courtesy of a break-in in my Model 3, I know have double pane glass. They were replaced with double pane because there were no single pane replacements in stock.
@Thomas
What was the price you were charged for changing the side repeater cameras.
I also have that issue and the turning blind sport camera feature is rendered almost useless at nights.
@@LigeroWheelworks oh wow. That's good to hear that it's possible. Just gotta figure out how much something like that could cost
I love the tesla video’s 😌
This is why I chose the LFP battery, it will retain it's full capacity a lot longer.
Same here I would better have a. New battery technology than older one
@@ahmedeid4567 LFP is an older battery technology than NCA.
Great video! Any chance you could comment or make a video, based on your opinion after owning and driving so many EVs, weather you would buy a new Bolt EUV, or a comparably priced used model 3? In my case the car would mostly be used for a daily commute with some limited road trips. Thanks!
My 2011 Nissan Leaf lost half its battery capacity at 50,000 miles and was only charged at home. After that experience I'd only buy a Tesla.
Have you done a charging curve video on this car yet? I very much enjoyed the one on your Moms Model Y
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I know this is a channel meant to be viewed by US viewers, but just in case other europeans are watching this, 305 Wh/miles is 18.95 kWh / 100 km (unless I messed up something xD )
Did someone count how many time he said the weather was beautiful? I wondered why the video was 40min long, now I understand.
Curious since you mentioned about the broken windshield is that something one is REQUIRED to get replaced at a Tesla shop? That’s another kink in me not wanting one but if I could afford it I’d probably get one.
my car is identical specification. same wheel color too which were painted since mine is 2018.
I will give you one sunscribe for your data given approach.
There was an update a little while ago where it was speculated that Tesla was now using the in car camera to just start to monitor if the driver was paying attention to the road. I know I get earlier alerts now but it is almost always when I'm staring at the screen. I bet that's why you were getting so many right when you looked away from the road Kyle.
great informational. What's the lifetime efficiency for your car?
Autopilot keeps buzzing you because you are looking at the infotainment screen a lot. Tesla now uses the internal camera with autopilot.
That makes sense. Mine kept buzzing every 2 secs and i didn't know why..
I’ve had that internal camera covered up since day 1. What happens to FSD now if you cover the cabin camera?
@@aussie2uGA I noted that last trip I took.
If I 'looked ahead' it would let me sit with no hands on the wheel for a normal time
If I blocked the camera with my hands it seemed to take the normal time before beeping
If I looked down w/o the camera covered it was like 5-10 seconds before beeping.
@@aussie2uGA FSD won't work if the camera's covered.
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Maybe this was asked before, so my apologies. What is the mobile app being used to monitor all the battery stats? I am assuming there is some OBD2 type of connection to the car?
Did you close your windows? Noticed the rear were open when you left the charger. Also what were your tire pressures cold?
The map of everywhere its be plugged in is pretty cool.
I’ve noticed that Ccs chargers charge you for power delivered including heat and usage loss. Tesla supercharger a seem to only charge you for what goes into the pack. Can you confirm that
When did you buy the car? Interested in knowing how fast you did the 105k miles
Will the car compensate for different tires. I put softer tires on the car. So will the softer tires show less available mileage
Top video mate, very detailed analysis ✋
I may have missed it, but what year is your Model 3 Performance?
wonder why the usage is high. I feel like 270wh/m+ is a lot but idk I've only got my car to go off of. I average around 220wh/m(avg speed around 70-80 depending on traffic), but I have a 2022 model 3 LR with the Aero wheels. And I got heat reflective tint so that the car doesn't heat up quickly. Wonder if those wheels make a bigger difference than I thought. I do see his temperature was set to 68 while I generally am set to 72. Probably another difference.
Hey love the video! Can you do a "money per km/mi" type of video? I am still trying to figure out if EV is worth for me, since I don`t drive as much as other folks. Thank you :)
Couple of ways for that math, easiest imo is learning what your car’s max range is in mi/km, and knowing how much energy that took. If you have a 400 mile range on 100kWh (to make the math easy), you get 4 mi/kWh. Then convert whatever mileage you estimate to drive (20 miles, as an easy number again), and convert to how much energy it would take: 20 mi / 4mi/kWh = 5 kWh. Then multiply that much power by whatever cost your electricity is. At a charging station, it could be $0.41USD per kWh, so multiply 5 kWh by 0.41 USD/kWh, and you get $2.05.
This is all napkin math and your actual efficiency and available energy will be different from car to car, but that’s the basic gist. I usually wait until my car is almost empty of fuel to put gas in, so I’m sure I’d do the same here with electricity, and that also makes it easier to figure out how much I’ll pay, as it’s worst case going to be the full battery (100kWh) times the amount of money per kWh (0.41), which is $41USD per charge (if you somehow completely drained the battery and actually had 100kWh capacity available to charge).
If you only drive 100 miles a week, you’ll recharge this hypothetical EV once a month for $40-ish, as opposed to filling your ICE car (assuming 14 gal tank with $4/gal of gas as the national average was for a while) for $56 from bone-dry to full.
Most his charging has been on the free 2 year charge he got with the Tesla. So I’m pretty sure he hasn’t paid for most of it
My man uses a ton of words
What are the two window mounts that u have?
15:29 Speaking of wind what happened to the windshield? Arre they still like $1500 to replace?
I wish i can do level 2 charging at home or at work but unfortunately the only option i have is supercharging
Could i run it dow to like 10% everyday and not hurt it too much?
What year is your model 3 performance
Do you think there would have been less than the 11-12% battery degradation had the car’s first 100K+ miles been driven by an old lady with no WOT? Or does that not affect battery degradation?
The wheels that you put on ya whip...how do THOSE affect the car / miles per charge...compared to the stock wheels that come on the Model 3...?!
He has a M3P so he put his stock 20" wheels on for this test.
IIRC he normally uses some aftermarket wheels that are a little more efficient.
What about city stop and go test???
awesome using an obd
Hm, going from the look and video, this is a 2019 model year?
You're lucky. I also have a performance model 3 2018, and my TeslaFi battery report and degradation test has me at 65kwh nominal and 265 miles of range at 100%. Car has 30k miles on it (only 700kw dc fast charge, everything else AC to 80% every night). TeslaFI battery report shows me this lol - "There are 74 vehicles with charges at your current odometer reading.
74 Vehicles have a higher range. 0 Vehicles have a lower range.
Your range is better than 0 % of similar users."
I have an '18 LR RWD with 55k. I get currently get 280 miles. I live in a fairly moderate climate and probably half of those miles are highway trips.
You should see what your energy grid uses to see how fast your car will pay off the co2 that it took to make with how much you drive.
Kyle I would like to drive for Tesla, how could I get into that?
I want to see you do a road trip in your model 3 using Electrified America only.
I guess you haven’t watched many of his videos, because he's actually done the Electrify America only charging, while driving a Porsche Taycan, and trip racing a Tesla using Super Chargers, and was able to beat the Tesla to the destination by about an hour because the Taycan’s charging speeds are far superior to any other EVs.
Oh no! Your windshield! It's broken!
The door rattled like a rattle snake when closing
I wonder if the Model 3 will eventually get the LFP batteries from Tesla Austin. It has twice the charge discharge cycles of the NCA batteries but less energy density. I would give up some range for long life. Although the NCA batteries should last 10 years i would think. Have we gotten any numbers for average battery replacement times? How many years do the NCA batteries last on average?
No one knows. There just isn’t enough time to know yet. We can guess and make data points all we want. But no one knows. And won’t know for another 10 years
LFP for Austin? Doubt it. 4680 battery only
I’m getting a tesla in a year probably!
What app is that?
my 19' 3 came with 310, but a software update nerfed it to 300mi range. Wonder if this was accounted for?
I know it now tries to consider the temperature and your driving habits in the car now. People complained they weren't getting as far as the car said it should but I mean going like 80 miles a hour you are going to get 10% than if you went 70. But if you haven't fully drained the car recently the car is pretty inaccurate sometimes I've seen. I've never fully drained though. I just drive to work so yeah I leave battery percentage on and never think about how far it can go. Since everyday it's back up to 90%
Would there be a difference in battery performance if you home charged versus supercharged to 100%?
Yes. And this is true with all EVs. EV batteries degrade more when using DC fast charging. EVs are built for home/slow charging, with DC fast charging being for those occasional road trips.
How did the roof glass crack?? Never seen that. Is that a Tesla thing or did just something heavy fall on it?
He has abused the heck out of this car, he’s done rally jumps, drag races, drifting, off roading, had beer explode inside and tons of other stuff.
This is most definitely a durability test and no roof cracks are not a common Tesla issue, although it’s important to know the roof is glass so if you want to get a Tesla a garage or carport is very highly recommended in case of falling debris like branches or hail
So you did 247Miles - would you have done 247+12% when it was new or did you do more? Jumped through your video, so I might have missed that info.
He used 67kWh and had 12% loss which would be about 74-75kW when new, so 8kW lost.
At the 271wH/mi he averaged that is about 29 miles less.
Its not really an exact thing though so these numbers are a little variable.
Also I assume that this Model 3 has been Supercharged a lot comparatively to most owners. I've always heard that Supercharging will put more wear on a pack but I don't know how true this is.
After 6.5k miles, all supercharged, my MYP went from 303 miles to 296 miles, so 2.3% decrease in a month and a half. I'm getting rid of it at 12k, so this would be equal to a year of Supercharging, so I will update this.
@@physicslawyer9845 I’ve read and heard several times that the battery degradation is higher initially from new then levels off. Kyle mentions it in this video.
@@gbw28 which is amazing for used buyers, owners scared their battery will fail and insurance will run out so the price goes down
The square steering wheel for tesla is perfect 👌😁 i know where can you get it in a fair price 🤩
Are there any reports of the rate and percentage of degradation for the a 200k mile battery?
lithium battery is degradation is pretty linear long term so probably 22-24% lost at 200k. Depends on conditions. If you fully charge and fully discharge you are going to get far more degradation than if you only charge to 90% and don't get close to fully depleted. Throw in outside temperature, Charging rate, load, average speed, how often you floor it and 80% capacity could be reached from 100k to 500k depending on if you baby it classic grandma drives it to church every sunday or push it to limit every single time.
Assuming constant charging costs, would it be 11% more expensive per mile now that the car has 100,000 miles on it? In other words, is this loss of energy going to heating the batteries due to the degradation? It would seem so as you stated the battery pack was at 60° c which was a little abnormal. So it could be that 11 KW hours was lost to heat.
The battery creates heat when charging whether new or old. perhaps a bit more when old but certainly not 11% wasted due to degradation. most of the heat was generated by preconditioning and by the act of fast charging. I've seen the battery get to 64 Celsius on my model 3 with way less than 100k miles. The battery charges and discharges quickest at these temperatures which is why its allowed during supercharger preconditioning, but when finished charging the car will aggressively cool it back to the normal 20-30 C range.
@@ryen7512 thanks for the reply. I always wondered if the degradation was somehow costing more energy/mile. So what you suggest is if the battery degraded 50%, that it would take 50% less energy to fully charge it (constant energy cost). I wonder if it would be 50% quicker to charge it as well (same charger).
@@MarkPryor1 That is correct. Look at it as if you have jug for water. When new, it takes 1 liter, and for every 1% "degradation" you add a stone of 1cl volume. After 10% you will have filled the jug with 10 stones and the time to fill will be 10% faster
When driving normal interstate speeds (80 mph) how many miles can you drive?
From 70 to 80mph you prob use about 5%more battery then going 70mph
How do you get teslafi to display like that mounted phone?
The mounted phone was running the Scan My Tesla app (available for Android or iPhone), which communicates via a bluetooth dongle plugged into the vehicle's CAN bus. TeslaFi is something different. It is a separate service that logs your car's data to the cloud as you drive. I don't think you can see the data Real-time, but rather you lookup stats over time as data is logged after each trip. TeslaFi costs $5/month, or $50 per year.
I read different statement that a M3 could get to 300k-500k before losing 20% of the pack. Do you think that would be possible with yours?
I have 6.8% at 40k miles and hope my degradation levels off because I plan to drive mine a long time.
I agree with Donovan. Degradation is faster at first and slows down over time. 40k miles is roughly 3 years worth of driving for the average American so 6.8% doesn't seem out of line for that amount of driving. I think you'll see the degradation slow down pretty quickly now. The first 5% usually happens pretty fast and it slows down a bit from there.
The key is keeping the pack cool. Fast charging isn't really *as bad* as most people think because the pack is only warm for a short period, it quickly cools off once you're driving again. Parking the car in direct sunlight over hot black asphalt and leaving it there to cook in the hot sun for many hours on end is what really speeds up degradation. Keep it in the shade or in a well ventilated (or insulated) garage and that makes a huge difference.
Lead foot? I have long range rear 2018. My average for 80K is 235w/mile.
I also do 75 on freeway. Wonder if the dual motor use that much mode juice 270ish/mile is high. I still have 297 at full charge.
The M3P has 20 in wheels with wider and stickier tires plus no aero covers. Also the extra motor adds some weight.
Do you still think Tesla makes the best quality and highest performance EV after you've tried a Lucid Air?
I have 200k miles on my model 3 and still have 89% or original useable battery!
What version?
Can someone tell me how much of degradation is due to time and how much heat and cycling? In other words if I keep the battery at 50% at perfect temperature for 10 years with no use, will it keep all of it’s capacity?
Everything I read says no. Batteries lose capacity over time whether they see much charge/discharge or not. What the exact correlation is, I couldn't say.
You definitely have some degradation over time regardless of use. I've read through several studies that break it down but it varies from chemistry to chemistry and it's always faster when the cell is newer and it slows down over time. After a year or so the "time based" degradation is such a small component of overall degradation that it's not really that relevant in the grand scheme of things.
However: At 50% SOC and at perfect temperature (And "perfect" for storage is fairly cool. Usually between 40-60 F) the degradation would be fairly small. Small enough to be considered negligible for most situations I'd imagine. But it would be pretty difficult to store it at the perfect temperature unless you stored it in a large industrial refrigerator so in the real world there's always going to be some acceleration of the degradation due to heat.
Batteries "store" better cold, but don't operate as well in cold. So the "perfect" temperature for storage may not be as ideal for driving, but 60 F should be pretty close to the ideal compromise for both.
@@belavet and @Jeremy Akers thanks for taking the time to respond
It still will degrade. Current batteries are just chemical devices that degrade. And depending on your luck one may degrader less then the other regardless of usage. Thing is: the degrading is only a few percent. by the time it is relevant you already have anew car. we are talking 10 years maybe. Plus for everything before you have the manufactures guarantee which is usually up to 6 year and around 100miles. Battery costs are also significantly decreasing so if you actually need to buy one it may one be around 3000$. which is nothing after lets say 8-10 years of not having payed anything else :)
No one can tell you with certainly since no model 3 batteries have been on the road that long. An educated guess would say it will not lose more than a few percent to degradation based on your said conditions though.
246 mi at a rate of 271Wh/mi are 66.666Wh. 👹😈
Wait, what the eff, were you driving 71 mph and a SEMI TOOK YOU OVER??????
The take away seems to be keep the state of charge around 50% and avoid 100%. I do the same with my phone to extend battery life.
Kyle, noted, you don't road trip like most people. On a long road trip (800 mi) and ICE car would average 60 mph with short breaks. What average mph for a long road trip expectable for a BEV with charging and moderate breaks? 50 mph?
I planned on 50 or so on my old Tesla. Newer EVs are better.
I don't remember if it's this channel or another but they've done genuine cross country trips in teslas. You may need to do some of your own math with the data though. 50 is probably a pretty good guess.
Are you typically doing that 800 miles in a single day thoguh? Because that sounds absolutely exhausting.
@@belavet both myself and Kyle have done many cross country trips.
We just did a 4,000 miles road trip in our Kia Niro EV (Which is nowhere near the fastest charging car available now) and coming home through New Mexico and west Texas we covered 671 miles in just under 12 hours for an average speed of around 56 MPH.
When we've traveled via ICE we typically averaged around 55 MPH. So for us the EV wasn't actually any slower at all. There wasn't a single charging session where we waited on the car. It always took us longer to get the kids out the car and get them in and out of the bathrooms than it took for the car to charge. We were actually usually rushing to get back to the car because it was usually done charging before we were done with bathroom breaks, getting food, etc.
Even before we had kids and we traveled via ICE: I always traveled with the wife or friends and I could never get in and out of a fuel stop in under 20 minutes. If I was traveling solo sure I could probably get in and out in 5-10 minutes. But a 5 minute fuel stop is a fantasy for anyone traveling with a family.
I believe the data shows most people actually don't take long road trips. What do you consider a short break? I will usually stop for lunch during any trip over 5 hours. Rest stops might last 10 minutes. Kyle usually shows he charges for 15-20 minutes and leave as soon as the charging rate drops off with a buffer to make sure he reaches the next charging location.
How long before it can get 400 miles minimum, driving 70-75 straight highway with the ac on?
I would like to know how you "pre condition" cars that don't do pre conditioning.
Pre conditioning is that awesome excuse to do an “Italian tuneup” on the way to a charger 😉
Liked the vedio are you part bourg dont sleep lol
You must hammer that thing. Miles/kw aren’t great but likely bc of how you use the car (which i have no problem with).
My number one concern on my model 3 is when Tesla will start nerfing supercharger speeds and by how much, as this affects practicality of road tripping. Would be great to see what happens as this car puts on more miles.
I mean, it's great to go in opposite directions, but it's not true that it will accurately cancel out a strong wind.
How do you figure? It's hurting you in one direction, helping you in the other. Are you saying the wind pushes harder in one direction and less hard in the other?
@@JeremyAkersInAustin Yeah, hurting you in one direction and helping in the other, but aero drag is relative to square, so assuming the wind is the same, it's adding more drag into the wind than it is reducing away from the wind, and if it is not directly in front or behind, it's harder to calculate. If the wind is slight, it's not a big effect, but a significant wind would definitely increase the overall aero drag.
Interesting data, from your data it looks like the car is roughly averaging 0.35 kWh/mile (35021 kWh of drive usage / 100,000+/- miles).
Have you changed the battery coolant? I wonder how that would affect cooling. No coolant is lifetime. Regardless of what the OEMs say.
@@laloajuria4678 Really? Nothing is lifetime. Trans fluid. Gear oil. Coolant. Everything takes on contaminants from it's environment. If you think "lifetime" is five years or 60,000 miles, then fine. I guess I define it differently.
@@laloajuria4678? Kyle is no "random guy on the internet." He's closer to an expert than anyone I have access to. I won't trust any manufacturer blindly. Why? I wasn't born yesterday. I've been burned before. Also, I choose to think. I just asked the question. You seem offended. I have to ask myself, why?
It would probably be good to change the coolant and oil at 120000 miles.
It is life time like a warranty on a pacemaker. There is no life when it dies.
Coolant in an EV lives a very easy life. Wear would be on time rather than heat cycles.
So your degridation rounds out to roughly losing 1 mile of range for every 3000 miles of driving, or 1.1% battery loss every 10000 miles. It's not linear, but a basic rule of thumb.
Super interesting, but man…charge time just takes a long time. Costs have to come down on EVs and charging times have to drop to less than 15 minutes before EVs take over. I’ve no doubt that they will, but an hour to “gas up” (haha) is a lot if you’re on a trip. I do a lot of driving and just can’t take an hour every 300 or so miles
We drive a Kia Niro EV which doesn't charge anywhere near as fast as a Tesla or any of the newer EV models. We've done several multi-thousand mile road trips and we can generally cover 500-550 miles in about 9 hours of driving. Even though our Niro isn't the fastest charging car around most charging stops are around 20 minutes and we find it's actually hard to go to get everyone in and out of the restroom, buy snacks, drinks, etc, and get back to the car before it's finished charging.
He was charging from 4% all the way to 100%
Of course it will take time. Realistically if you’re taking a road trip, it’s better to just get in 10-20 mins of charging when you stop to get snacks or use the bathroom and you’ll usually maintain charge the duration
Unless you’re just booking it straight there and pissing in a bottle
This was a battery degradation test, so he wasn't charging the way you normally charge. Typically on a road trip you'd pull into a charger at ~10% charge remaining and charge up to 60 or 70 percent, which would take about 15 to 20 minutes (barely enough time for a bathroom break or to order food or whatever), then drive another 180 to 200 miles, then charge again for another 15 to 20 minutes. It does take longer than gassing up, but the forced breaks makes the drive much less tiresome. My drive from Denver to Phoenix took about an hour longer than when I do it with a gas car, but was much less tiresome.
EQS SUV?
I appreciate the effort but could this have been done in 10 mins?
In the UK, that crack would get you fined if spotted by police. is this not the case in America?
Depends on the State or County. In general people drive lifted trucks, electric or gasoline golf carts, kit cars etc. Many counties do not have annual inspections either.
In my state, it’s only a problem at inspection time - ie, you won’t pass inspection and won’t receive a renewal sticker for your windshield - if the damage is in the driver’s direct line of sight or if the damage has the potential to extend into that line of sight. I don’t think a cop could randomly ticket you for it though.
Gotta do a test driving faster, most people don’t drive only 70
Some suggestions for future episodes:Do a EV vs ICE car road trip challenge . To make things interesting, you can give the EV a bit of a head start or a shorter route and see which one wins.
Why bother? The ICE will win. That's not the point of EV.
@@regibson23 I wouldn't be too sure of that.
On a straight up "I want to get there as fast as humanly possible" road trip yes the EV will always lose.
For people engaging in normal, real world travel habits however the differences really only start to show up beyond about 450 to 500 miles in a single day (exceptional circumstances notwithstanding - road trip in 0F the differences pop up sooner, headwind cuts range, tailwind you can go farther, etc)
Several times a year I do a 400 mile one way trip to visit my parents.
Yes if I were to not eat or drink anything and leave the wife and kids at home I could drive an ICE straight through no stops of any kind and do it probably 1hr faster than I could in an EV trying for the absolute fastest time.
In 5 years driving this trip I have never driven straight through, not even when I've gone solo. We always make stops and those stops are always longer than we think they take.
So under my real world habits the EV and ICE times for this 400 mile trip are basically the same in summer conditions and about 15m slower for the EV in winter conditions.
Actually, a couple guys in Australia did that with an Ioniq 5 and a Tucson. Less than 40 minute difference, and that was including an unexpected wait at a DC fast charging station for an available charger!
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What's Celsius?
Just kidding.
Wind but more likely more altitude drop
Steady loss of altitude heading into Nebraska
5000 feet to 3000 from ft collins to Paxton Nebraska
33kw per hour, so it takes at least 2 hours to do a full charge from very low to full? Can we see a crash test, I want to see if its true that they catch on fire and burn intensely, before first responders arrive? Is it true that Tesla ranked bottom 30 out of 33 automakers for build quality and reliability?
Recently two children and two adults survived in a Tesla that feel 250 feet off a cliff at Devil's Slide. The adults are in critical condition but the children were unharmed. That may be the most spectacular crash test you will see of any vehicle. And no, it did not burst into flames as is typical of cars with an internal COMBUSTION engine.
@@BitJam I looked up that crash.........that must have been quite a ride to the bottom. Heres the thing, although it looked bad, and it is in some ways...........the chassis did not suffer a longitudinal shunt, unlike say rear ending a semi, or being hit hard from behind. The battery in a Tesla is in the floor pan, and when the vehicle suffers a longitudinal deformation (common in traffic accidents) its length can be shortened dramatically, causing the floor pan to buckle and the battery to be severely crushed as it absorbs the impact. That is the ideal situation for a battery fire. The other factor that may have saved that family is if the battery is low, or very low on charge. I wonder if Autopilot was being used?!?
Steve Jobs son?
After multiple trips to AYCE buffet.
Not bad, you lost about 11-12% after 105k miles, I bet most ICE vehicles lose that or more in efficiency after 100k but maintenance would of course be higher. Considering most drivers are 12-15k miles a year that shows EVs should be going strong after 8+ years.
Dont forget even though the battery has quite a lot of miles the battery isnt old yet wich will be interesting to see how it holds up after 10-15 years.
Well maintenance on an ICE would presumably curb loss of efficiency, I don't think they're losing much when properly maintained but would be interested in seeing numbers around that.
8+ years seems like a below-the-bar minimum for modern cars considering the average vehicle on the road right now is 12+ years old, and that would already include a lot of older and less reliable vehicles whereas EVs are almost all from the last few years. By the time these EVs are 12+ years old, the average age of vehicles on the road should be higher.
I've never heard of range loss in an ICE tbh. Now you rack up a tidy maintenance bill if you're doing everything to it that you should be which, let's be honest, oil, tires, and brakes/rotors are about what most people do).
Nothing at all against BEV's, but the range loss thing is a brand new thing to contend with when it comes to driving.
@@belavet It's just not usually framed as range loss. There have been quite a few studies that show that ICE vehicles do become less efficient over time. The compression ratio in a combustion engine decreases over time as the rings and cylinder walls wear. Intake and exhaust valves get dirty and don't seal as well. Intake and exhaust airways can get build up on them over time which restricts airflow, mufflers and catalytic converters can get get build up over time, EGR valves can get dirty or the motor gets weak and they don't seal well, etc. (I'm literally citing specific issues I've had on my own combustion vehicles that I've had to deal with to gain back power and MPG figures) Unless you spend a lot of money to keep all these components in like new condition, which would be very expensive, you definitely tend to lose some power and/or MPG over time.
This does result in range loss but almost no-one worries about the "range" of an ICE vehicle because going from 400 miles to a tank to 360 isn't as impactful since refueling stations are on every corner and the refuel time is so short. So it's not something most drivers would "notice" quite the same way as EV drivers because the distance per "full tank" is just not as important with ICE vehicles.
The reason I've noticed this more on my vehicles is I do a lot of towing with older vehicles. When you're towing a trailer the situation changes: You can't just pull in to any gas station, you have to find some place that can accommodate a 40 ft trailer. Plus your range on a tank full goes from 400 miles to a tank down to like 200 miles. So the experience of driving a truck and trailer is a lot more like driving an EV: You have to plan out your stops because you can't go that far on a tank and the number of refueling stations is more limited.
This is probably why I've never really felt much range anxiety driving EVs. I've been doing cross country road trips with RVs and trailers for so long that planning out refueling stops is just second nature now.
@@belavet My 1979 240D still gets 30 mpg on the original motor. ICE range loss...smh
The "range" test part of this video really has nothing to do with range. It has more to do with determining how much capacity the battery has by running it from 100% to 0%. I mean, if it was a range test, driving around a parking lot for over 10 miles isn't exactly the best way to test it.
As to the degradation... The average driver will take nearly 8 years to drive 106k miles while Kyle did it in just over 2. The degradation figures Kyle's vehicle got are "alright", but a huge part of the degradation equation is missing. Battery age. I believe there was a study released in the past year that claimed age had a larger impact on degradation than typical battery cycling. It's hard to say what the average driver may see in degradation after 106k miles and 8 years.
A big reason a lot of people buy Teslas is because everyone believes they have the best in class range. However, between underperforming their EPA combined range by a higher margin than other vehicles during real world 70 mph highway tests, and the low inaccessible size that can increase noticeable degradation at a faster rate, range may not actually be this vehicle's strong point as it ages. It may be nice for the first 1-2 years, but if it does in fact degrade at a faster rate, then it could underperform the competition for over half its 15-20 year lifespan.
Under perform new competition in 15 to 20 years? Or compared to the degradation of competitors over 15 to 20 years?
@@wdbldr67 Yeah, that was a bit confusing. The second half of the vehicle's life could see lower range than competitors. Actually, it's probably more likely to start about 3-5 years in.
Sadly, it seems 90% of youtube BEV content is Tesla related, and while it's fun watching literally the same test done on the same car over and over again... it would be great if these BEV channels actually compared cars instead of trying to play games with the youtube algorithm.
@@updlate4756 Good point. Lots of tests of other Bev's but not really any degradation tests just range tests.
Thank You! I wonder if these RUclipsrs know this. It is the age not miles that plays the biggest part. I have same year and spec with 30k ODO miles and can only pull 67 kwh from my pack.
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