2022 Vision-Only Tesla Model 3 Autopilot Hogback Driver Assistance Challenge!
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Autopilot on highways is more attentive than I am. It handles 80% of my commute flawlessly.
More like 95% of the Autobahn and only about 20% of regular streets because its limited in steering angle and steering speed by the UN/ECE rules.
80??! Mine is up in the 95-97% of drives
@@Valencia_Media the other 20% is on back roads so I don't use autopilot then....
@@ephraimhill1109 ahh i see what you mean.
this is the first test video that has confirmed what I've been gaslighted and told I'm wrong. My X drifts into those merge lanes for years now when I road trip and everyone online kept saying I was wrong. Knew it did it, experience it all the time, glad you showed it.
Just did a 2400mi road trip and the drift into merge lanes is really annoying and is even worse at night, because of what I’m guessing is caused by limited sight distance.
Rivian copy and poached Tesla autopilot software engineers so I'm not surprised they are doing good with the test. Heck just look at their UI and Gear guard system 😆.
so many autopilot updates since this video. Would be curious to see a re-test!
Love the work you folks are doing there! It’s really helping me in making my decisions.
Hey Kyle great video! Appreciate the honesty in this video without the bias towards or against Tesla/autopilot that some other channels seem to have. Probably my favorite series on the channel so far.
I did just want to make one suggestion. You probably already know this, but instead of turning the wheel or hitting the brakes, you can lightly tap up on the autopilot stalk to disengage autopilot in a much more controlled manner. I agree turning the wheel to disengage isn’t very smooth, but just lightly tapping up with your right hand as you simultaneously turn the wheel left/right completely solves this IMO. You’re probably already aware of this but just wanted to mention in case any viewers weren’t!
yeah it's good, openpilot is better then teslas system and is much more complete. tesla system is limited more then 29k hyundais, little reconigiton on signs and no lane change lol?
Great video as always! I love learning all the little details. A winter Hogback challenge would be interesting, especially when compared with radar. When our M3LR comes in (2022) and the R1S arrives (2023) we can do a back to back same day same time test for comparisons!
Another thing you can do hold down on stalk while in AP it will change to the indicated speed.example - if you're going 65 mph and speed drops to 55 mph the car will continue (on highway only) going 65 mph. Just hold down the stalk about 2 sec and AP cruise speed will change to the new detected speed limit of 55. Also works the other way .
Never knew this, thanks!
@@peterkim4689 no worries I found out by accident. Lol
I had no idea the gap between Tesla's driver assist and others was so big. Thanks for doing these tests.
It isn’t. Not when you’re running Openpilot on a Comma 3 in a gold-supported vehicle. And somehow no one knows this.
@@ericanderson1753 no idea what you just said
@@DanyMeza exactly. That’s what I want to change. Comma 3 is a device from the company Comma AI that any person can add to their (supported) vehicle to have the best level 2 self-driving outside a Tesla, and sometimes better than a Tesla, like in laneless driving. Check it out!
@@ericanderson1753 That is a hardware addon isn't it. Aftermarket adas, probably the reason why few talk about it.
@@nguyep4 aftermarket, yes. But easy to install for an average person, and identified as the best ADAS system on the market by Consumer Reports. Above Autopilot. Above SuperCruise.
Agree with much of what you say, especially the positive impact AP has on freeway driving. I’ve used it driving my 2021 M3 SR+ through LA, and simply using AP set at 80 mph made the stop-and-go then ZOOM then stop-and-go nature of LA driving sooo much less stressful! That’s what sold me on using AP regularly.
I haven’t had any phantom braking issues (knocking on wood!) with my radar equipped car. It has gotten noticeably better on those wide merge on/off lanes.
My pro tip Is to use Jim Morrison’s advice: Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel, and you’ll be fine.
The stop and go traffic assist is so underrated. Of _any_ benefit that autopilot offers, the traffic assist is far and away the most useful IMO. It makes commuting and stop and go traffic such a breeze. Can’t even express how frustrated I used to get constantly speeding up and slamming on the brakes in traffic everyday, and this system takes away like 95% of that frustration. It’s a legitimate game changer
@@philorgneopolotin8762 Totally agree. I’m retired now, so not in that daily jam (how great it would have to have AP back in the day!), but any time I do find myself in that hot mess, I use it.
@@philorgneopolotin8762 stop and go traffic assist is so basic, it's on $27k hyundais. and they have lane change..
@@roboticvenom1935 wow congrats, who asked? Are you literally going around responding to all my comments like some sort of know-it-all? You’ve responded to like 7 of my comments in the past day all with some lame snide remark.
If you activate the turn signal then apply torque to the wheel it is FAR LESS then if you just apply force to get out of autopilot.
Yeah if you disable with autopilot with the right stalk (push up) then you be in cruise control. Then you can change lanes and enable autopilot again
Yes and the latest Software needs less torque.
Have you tried running a car twice on the course to see if the score is the same each time?
Excellent reviews and insights. Please do not burn out my friend. EV is the long future, not a short race.
The minus 3 points is all the same bug while being in the far right lane. But because of traffic your lane choice is inconsistent between both car test and within a single test. So I’m not sure the point system is helping. Seems like you should subtract one point for each scenario(bug) found. Just trying to refine the test.
I have similar complaints. When the lines are not consistent humans know where the road is going. AP not. Its easily destracted. On roads with good lines it works flawlessly. As long as there are no medium corners. In Europe its crippled with max. steering angle and max. steering speed.
I'd love to see these tests done at night, too, to see how vision only can handle it!
AP actually seems to see (or at least predict) better than *I* can, at night or poor conditions (rain, fog, etc).
One time I was driving back road (two-lane, not highway) in central valley, at dusk, and could barely see faded dividing line... but AP not only saw the line, it recognized and rendered when the line changed between SOLID and DOTTED. I had to SQUINT to see it... but, it did fine.
@@cgamiga exactly. One night it was rainy and I couldn’t see the lanes, the tesla had no problem. After saving the dashcam footage, it looked like there was no rain. The car can literally see better than I can.
@@harsimranbansal5355 yup. It also has little problem with glare, even staring right into the sun, checking teslacam video just shows bright ball, rest of road etc is visible.
On highways, It used to suck! Id get about 30 phantom breaks at night.
However its been fixed and now I usually get none.
On freeway its always been flawless
In my experience the torque input required varies by the confidence level the AP has in its own actions. In weird construction zones, it requires miniscule input to break free, so no risk to swerve, in other situations it's significantly heavier.
Its easier to the inside of corners, on straight roads and its heavier to the outside of corners when it is actually actively steering.
I think if you turn on the blinker before your lane change, autopilot will disengage so you don’t have to put in large torque input.
This is awesome!
18:39 If you use blinker when changing lanes(which is what you are suppoed to do) you won't have to yank the wheel so hard.
Exactly. Plus sometimes the car wont even let you switch lanes if you dont use your signal(at least makes it much harder) thats more of user error than a downside to it.
I haven't tested my autopilot negligence lately, but when I first got my 2021 SR+, if I missed the first warning, it would turn OFF autopilot, but keep on cruise control... So therefore it would just keep going, wouldn't stop lol.
thanks for the video
Would love to see the EQE or EQC and definitely the i4.
Also wondering if FSD really wouldn’t make much of a difference. I Germany when we buy it, we can test it for 48 hours and if we don’t like it, we can return it. Maybe an option for this car?
The new, better 3 series. Is actually a good way to describe the model 3. 🤔 nice video guys!
Well done! AP is indeed a huge boon for roadtrips. Well said, it's not perfect, but a huge assistance and probably works the best across all conditions & road types/locations.
One thing I've noticed, re staying in lane & picking a line thru curves, especially w/ wide or joined lanes, or for exits suddenly appearing:
the car appears to give strong weight , to following a car ahead of you (vs guessing at lane lines it is unsure of.)
So if you are scoring based on the car making solid choices or waffling, be mindful if there is a car ahead- it likely will affect the car behavior. I've had it follow cars ahead & stay in lane, even w/ near-invisible lane lines (rainouts, faded paint, new paving where NO lines (just seams)! But if the car ahead is gone, it gets confused and gives up.
Another stress test case, if you can find one Kyle: roads/highways with some LEFT exit/turn lanes, especially where the leftmost #1 lane widens or splits into two lanes, a left-turn (w/ arrow marking) and straight.
Several times I've had AP pick/stay in that LEFT lane, but keep going full speed assuming it goes straight...
but, that lane ENDs (into a guardrail sometimes!). I have to take over immediately! and yes sometimes it even jerks/swerves a bit to pick that left lane, too.
That's the only real scary case I've hit repeatedly w/ AP... haven't run into that scenario recently, a year or two back, so not sure if it's been fixed in newer versions.
Kyle - Great stuff as always. Hope you can get an Ionic 5 (or Hyundai HDA2 car) reviewed as well as a BMW (and ultimately other German systems). Many RUclips reviews say BMW is equivqlent to basic AutoPilot. From my experience its close but wanders in lane so wld be interested in youre take/score.
A very honest review. Will you do an FSD test?
It's the same car that I have. My problem is that the car was so expensive I can't upgrade to 18" or 19" wheels because of the cost. I don't agree with your test on the floating nature of the car at speed around corners. I live in the desert of California but coming up to the high valley that I live in is an uphill, very fun, winding road. When I had my tuned GTI I could use every bit of the performance of that car coming up that road. In the M3P I can come up way faster and can't even get the tires to screech around the turns at 100 mph. I am in love with this thing!
Teslas are usually misaligned. Maybe you found a better one.
And I think 2 of the point you deducted were tacky, and did not represent any safety issue
It does drop speed on the highway/interstate if the speed drops.
Great video, since you have a friend who knows about wheels more than I do . Can you please ask him if there's any issue on efficiency / turbulence create by the wheels on that Model 3? if you look carefully you will see the right wheels are literally pointing differently than the turbines on the left wheels. I'm kind of in awe of why Tesla and many other car manufacturers only make the turbines pointing all in one direction, so when you mount them on the care one side points forward and the other side points backwards. weird at least ...
I would like you too do the same test with the enhanced or fsd package. Then you will get the lane changes and off at exit route. Just to show how different the two systems are. Standard and up payed package.
Watching the AP move right as it encounters the 'wide lane' converging by the on-ramp.... Same thing on my seven year old AP 1.0
It's a feature not a bug
I have a P85 AP1 (Dec 2014 build), but i'm not in Colorado. But if I do come, you are more than welcome to test it.
I don't have an issue with torch to get out of autopilot because I just litely tap the breaks. It's the same as cruise control on other cars. Litely tap the breaks and your out of it. Plus if auto pilot is messing up your reaction is already pushing the break.
You can also tap the right stalk up to stay in cruise control but disable autosteering
Can’t wait to see the Ionic 5 hogback test ! And what about supercruise?
I think pre-mapped should be plus points. As it’s dangerous if the system allows engagement for roads it is unintended to use. The Model 3 manual lists several conditions where you shouldn’t use autopilot, but the car still allows it.
No extra input to steering wheel to change lanes if you let the turn signal flash 2 or 3 times, don't remember the exact amount.
AP is disabled with traffic aware cruise still enabled.
Thanks for another great vid! I would encourage people to use the right stick to disengage (like going into reverse) rather than the steering wheel torque issue. I know that cancels cruise as well so you have to get on the throttle, but you’re probably doing that anyway to speed up for lane changes or slow down for exits.
Also, I’ve found that my M3LR with FSD doesn’t have any issues with exits or those super midd merging lanes 95% of the time. Not sure if it’s the FSD software or what but it’s almost always perfect
Actually if you tap up once, it only takes you back to cruise control. Then you can change lanes and reenable autopilot
@@chidorirasenganz is this still true if you have cruise control chime turned off?
@@trevrodriguezphoto not sure as I haven’t turned the chime off. I’ve only turned on Joe mode lol
That’s how I disengage as well, just feels better than wrestling with the wheel. But you don’t even have to pull up all the way like going into reverse… just pull up halfway like going into neutral.
chidorirasenganz if I’m not mistaken, you’re right but that’s only if it’s a _half_ tap upwards. The right stalk has 2 levels of resistance in it. When autopilot is currently enabled, lightly tapping (to the 1st level resistance) it switches from autopilot to cruise control. But in the same scenario, if you _hard_ press it upwards (to the 2nd level of resistance) it disengages both autopilot and cruise control. At least that’s my experience with it
PS- the lower limit for follow-distance is 2 for "TeslaVision" cars - I would expect it to go back down to 1 once the data confirms that the vision-based distance estimation is good enough. Also, I believe that even cars with radar are now not using it, but I'm not absolutely certain about that. (we have a 2019 3SR+ and a 2019 Raven MXLR - both cars with radars, and I know one of the recent software upgrades mentioned that "you are now using Tesla Vision"... which led me to believe that the radars are disabled. The cars are both FSD beta, so that may be a difference also.) Thanks for the great videos!
Vision based autopilot is limited to 80 mph on the highway but radar based cars can do 90 mph. Can you do 90 mph on AP?
It would be great to know your insights into how other drivers will react and share the road with vehicles that are actually designed and programmed to follow the current laws of the road. Or will the drivers that use these assistive systems adjusted/hack their vehicles to bypass the laws of the road? (Ex: speed limits) Thanks.
In the 4,000 miles with my 3 the only thing that I could call phantom braking was on a residential street (not the cars fault and not phantom). It was set to 5mph over and there was a random speed limit drop according to the GPS from 50mph to 35mph. I didn’t see a sign but the car slowed pretty quickly which took me by surprise. Normally it’ll ramp down smoothly
personally I use "stick up" to exit autopilot
I want a rear view camera upload on this at the same time to see how it has an effect on the flow of traffic behind it. This guy is and has been a great driver in all of his videos, but I can’t tell if he has good awareness of his rear view mirror or if he’s watching the way the car is throwing off other drivers around him/helping the flow of traffic. Would be interesting to see to me idk y
Whether or not you believe Tesla I believe their explanation for vision only was that while a lay person would believe as you do that radar provides redundancy and should be included what they found instead is that having radar and vision together caused sensor discrepancy rather than redundancy. The radar and vision sensor data would often disagree and often it was the radar providing the false information due to problems with resolution that radar has and they spent a lot of algorithm work on trying to reconcile the discrepancy. Therefore they decided to remove radar and focus on making vision independently better
A human analogy would be if your eyes and your ears constantly disagreed on sensing the environment around you and rather than helping you walk better it caused confusion as you have to constantly analyze whether to trust your ears or your eyes more. In this situation its not so simple as « ears provide necessary redundancy “. When the two constantly disagree it would be more helpful for you to focus on the one system that you find more reliable rather than constantly try to reconcile the two
Great explanation. And yeah humans get motion sickness if they’re ears and eyes are not agreeing to each other.
Yep, when people talk about redundancy, they are just saying that their vision system doesn't work and they don't ever expect to get it to work. Redundancy is about taking over from a failed system, but radar can't take over from a failed vision system. If they had two vision systems, that would be redundancy.
LMAO. Your eyes and ears do not make decisions dude. It is your BRAIN making decisions. Your BRAIN welcomes all data your eyes, ears, nose…provide and make call based on learning, experience and instincts. Does Tesla AI have instincts? No. Does Tesla AI has enough learning and experience? NO. They give you a beta system which freaks out whenever a truck passes through, and considers traffic signs as humans then slams the brake. Of course it will be better and better, but why Elon urges to remove radar and put all Tesla lovers in danger? Simply cost.
@@Mr.Kerokerokero as someone’s who background is in the science of neurology and sensory integration I can tell you that you are wrong about how the brain works. The brain absolutely does not welcome all inputs no water how faulty. It absolutely does get confused by conflicting inputs causing gait ataxia and vertigo among other conditions. You’re wrong about the neuroscience. And you’re wrong about Tesla.
10:20 Maybe you should add a qualifier to the list "AP drops speed to the limit before the sign" next to "AP drops speed to the limit after the sign". That is, if you consider yourself an international channel. In many European countries, speed cameras are placed right at the sign of the town entrance; if your speed is not low enough then, you will be fined. Dutch prices as an example : 3 miles over = 33.50$ , 6 miles over = 72.50$ , 9 miles over = 140$. They do allow for your speedometer to have a 2.5mph deviation. 😋
Yes, VW has a major advantage in those Szenarios. And it’s annoying that Tesla takes at least 1-1.5 seconds AFTER recognizing a speed limit to limit itself. The other way just the same. And it never recognizes speed limits on the Autobahn. I sure hope they get their act together this year. As promised…
When I get my ‘22LR I’ll let you test it. That parking lot is minutes from my house. I drive US40 daily
Software update i got last week updated the max speed on Autopilot to 85...which is great for my area of TX where 85 is pretty normal on Toll Roads.
Where's the total score for the Porsche Taycan CT? I'm looking forward to seeing how the Mach-E, Ioniq, 5 and Kia EV6 do. Thanks!
I would like to see this re-ran later this year, say Sept-November timeline. Reason is we should, and on FSD beta we are close frankly - steps are being made internally each build, to them merging/re-writing the NoAP/AP code base to the new system. When the new FSD beta system gets on the highway it does thing far better than the old system (for example, lane centering and ping ponging you had, the new system flat in most of my circumstances has not been like this at all, on highway) or when I get it work on a non-NoAP flagged highway it stays on FSD beta it works extremely well.. IT looks highly promising frankly.. Also was stated was increase of cruise/ap speed to 85 in next update or two, we are waiting on 10.11.12 build still, but it could be in this one. So with that being said a good summer worth of testing, I think it would be worthwhile to get a FSD beta equipped car and re-run this with the new 1 stack and see how it compares then.
Quickly becoming the goto comparison guide for driver assistant systems .
My car ‘21 M3P when using AP and right lane become wider after on ramp merge it always move to middle, from cars behind me thinking I’m blocking on ramp cars. Wish it will keep hugging the left.
You can use the cruise control stalk to disengage the autopilot.
Please add the following situation to your test. Anyone that drives in the Mid-Atlantic region can relate.
- Set Autopilot for the speed limit with a follow distance of 2 or 3.
- Allow it to approach a car doing 5-10mph slower.
- observe the car adjusting speed to match the required following speed and distance.
- if the car ahead then decides to accelerate, observe the Tesla accelerating VERY slowly, letting the follow distance increase to 5,6,7 etc. It will take almost 20 seconds to reach the speed limit again.
This is infuriating in traffic in these areas. The arguments that the car is being efficient or safe are ridiculous. Needing to push the accelerator to reach the desired speed and keep up with the flow of traffic again is absolutely ridiculous. Autopilot should lose major points here. Granted, it's a TACC issue, but you can't use AP without TACC so it should be considered in a driver assistance test.
Since the AP doesn't really spread out for exits, only entrance ramps and merge lanes... I wonder if it's actually intentional? To dominate a merge area to avoid getting passed in an unsafe zone? It's designed to avoid cars or warn the operator before collision, so if a car was in the lane it would keep left more or turn off AP and cruise control.
:O what wrap is that!? looks beautiful
The biggest gripe I had about autopilot in the 40,000 miles I logged with it before I sold my Tesla was the phantom breaking. Even though it got noticeably better between 2018 and 2020, it’s still Definitely almost got me rear-ended more than once.
Its been basically fixed within the last few updates. Ive had 2 in 2 months, when I used to have about 10 a day in a specific road.
You started to mention the phantom breaking on the 2 lane roads I believe? Have you got a video where you test that?
It has gotten MUCH MUCH better since 2022 Software versions.
I have a question, I was told by the dealer in El Paso Tx that I could only delay my order once which I have done. they told me that if I delay again, they would cancel my order and I would have to start over. is that true?I
Mando says, "This is the way" (though I'd prefer Radar, b/c snow) again, Autopilot implies, SSet and forget" where stuff with "assist" may suggest I'm helping, but you still in control"
My Model S has that "enhanced auto pilot" and I love using it on Austrian and German Highways. I hope for a switch to vision only for all cars soon, turning off that unnecessary radar.
And on every other decent road without tight corners. Even in the cities when there are longer nearly straight parts.
Nice. If you think that was good, openpilot will blow your mind.... And it's free! Ioniq 5 HDA2 next please!
Shouldn’t the lane changes where you have re-engage count as a point off for disengagement?
Who else noticed they used the same footage for the ramp down strategy portion as was used during the 2019 M3P hogback video.
Isn't it enough to put the car in park the regain AP? 🤔
Also AP should reengsge after your lane change, without the need to pull the stock down twice again.
And -1 for the AP chime that you can't disable
I am just getting familiar with your testing, so forgive if I don't understand the evaluations correctly. Does pre-drive portion give a single point for being able to use the system anywhere vs only mapped areas? If so, I don't know if that gives a good basis of comparison. If two cars have equal or close scores and one system only works in mapped areas and they've only mapped a very small portion of roads, its utility is nowhere near a system that can be used anywhere.
mapped areas deducts points silly
Before reviewing the video did you guys even know about the abstract ocean sexy button on the underside of the center console lid?
Love the AP in the Tesla, you just have to be cautious if you are a first time user until you get the gist of it. However, wanted to see if the following scenario is true, it happened to me. Driving at night on the most left lane @ 80mph with AP on, the highway had at least 4 lanes, further down I see emergency vehicles pulled over on the emergency lane with the flashing lights on. As we are getting close to the spot of the emergency vehicles far to my right, and no cars in front of me, my MYP starts breaking a bit hard for my taste, but I let it happen and see if it was going to keep stopping even more (had no cars behind me either), and it was stopping even more, then I pressed the accelerator pedal to keep it from totally slowing down. I wonder if AP stops the car if it sees emergency vehicles ahead, not necessary on the same lane or close to it.
When are you going to test a Cadillac Super Cruise system?
I have to admit I watched to see how close you get to 1% State of Charge.
Is this the original color of the car or did you cover it with a film?
I want to love Autopilot, I really do. But the dang phantom breaking just keeps freaking me out. :(
The torque needed to disengage Autopilot is a bit sketchy, as they said. I manually disengage Autopilot with the right stalk when I want to take over so I don't have to deal with that.
FSD's Navigate on Autopilot feature would be better on this test because of auto lane changes and the ability to take off ramps.
I’m pretty sure they removed radar largely due to supply chain and cost issues, and they knew their software could handle it (up to 80MPH at least). There may be other reasons but the timing leads me to believe it was cost/supply related
It was cost. Teslas are modern vehicles stripped down to the bare necessities, sold for double the price to help support Teslas debt. Radar and LiDAR required huge investment, so ofc Elon Musk dropped out of the race, now providing the worst driver assist technology of all car brands. However it doesnt matter, because at the time he told a bunch of marketing nonsense, convincing his following that cameras will suffice to make Tesla full self-driving. Which was ofc a lie. But since there are countless Musk lies doing their rotations (Cybertruck, Tesla Taxi, Hyperloop, Tesla Truck, Tesla Robot, Mars Colonization etc. etc. etc.) people have forgotten. Also Musk is for some reason untouchable, no matter what SEC type of fraud he engages with. So... who cares.
First principle. Does your eyes have Radar? No? There you have it.
@@jurycould4275 Worst driver assist technology? Really?! Did you watch the video? For this contradictory and ill-advised statement alone we can't take your comments seriously. People who have actually driven a Tesla with Autopilot such as Kyle and Jordan in this video know the truth namely that Tesla is the gold standard for driver assist performance. People who pay attention also know that Tesla has virtually no debt which contradicts your incorrect statement with respect to debt. Please do some homework before commenting on things for which you have little to no knowledge.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 by that logic we still would be in the stone ages. Low sun, adverse weather conditions, radar will help tremendously. My colleague vision only AP stops working on a highway in winter time, my model x radar based not … Rain or snow … my AP is way more confident than his. My biggest fear, and I think it already happened is that radar use will be switched off just to have one software version.
@@yvesvandenbroek6055 You should sell your Model X, make a bunch of money and buy a.Nio. I think they work with LiDAR. Better for you! In Winter Radar works just as good or not as long as it „sees“ things. When the snow starts to pile up on the nose only a 120K BMW would be able to continue. And i drive a 60K Model Y. Big difference. Maybe it gets worse. Maybe not. Maybe its as always with Tesla two steps forward one step back. Thats ok. All others can‘t move at all. Tesla is still 100% faster then everybody else.
PLEASE DO A RANGE TEST ON TESLA M3 SR+
What color is the wrap?
What does it mean to have the driver assist "mapped"? Example Kyle says Rivians are pre-mapped, but it still uses cameras and sensors to help during live assist. Genuinely curious.
The road itself (and streetside 'furniture' - signs, posts, barriers, etc) are pre-mapped in high resolution, lanes explicitly marked (rather than solely relying on the camera seeing the painted lines), and so on... the cameras are - mostly - used to monitor traffic, and confirm position on the road.
Can you please explain the math of your spreadsheet? It's not obvious to me how the numbers add up.
Thoughts on phantom breaking on Teslas
Hi, was this autopilot test or enhanced autopilot test?
when will BMW i4 get on this LEVEL????
You should get your hands on an AP1 Model S or X.
This system is so good it doesn't even make sense. I want to test it out in situations like nighttime rain, and extremely heavy downpours. Sometimes rain is so heavy you can't see anything and almost need to pull over. Can Autopilot handle stuff like this?
Mine does. Not snow storms, but everything else? Yes. Mine still has the radar.
Multiple eyes (cameras) cannot make up for torrential downpour. My Subaru eyesight admittedly only has two cameras but will disengage and flash an alert in heavy rain or snow at which point I have pulled over and stopped since I can't see well enough to drive either.
@@cjwilson54 Yes, i think thats the correct way. I was surprised in a extreme downpour last year where i could not see where the street is because it was centimeters deep under water, but Autopilot drove perfectly well and much too fast. This year i was in a snow storm where Autopilot worked only a few minutes until it told me radar is blocked. I could not see either. I just oriented on the next lorry in front of me and continued driving blind. Ok nearly blind. I just hoped the lorry knew what he was doing. Lucky me.
I’ve used it in a torrential downpour at night with no issues
If I get sent to AP Jail all I have to do is put it in park and back to drive. I don't have to do the seatbelt, door, ass out of the seat, which seems awkward. I have a 2020 LR.
Can you guys contact someone with a newer Corolla with a Comma 3 device to test in that exact same road because I swear I have a 2019 Camry with a comma device that can take those roads without even bugging me to touch the steering wheel and since early 2020! Or you guys could probably afford to buy a new corolla and comma 3 to test it against the Tesla autopilot to see how this much cheaper alternative compares especially since its all plug and play.
Hoping for a time when all cars would be able to communicate with other cars on the road in real time.This would make for much safer driving
I do know Tesla with FSD package on the interstate will adjust the speed up and down based on your preset mph or percentage as the speed limit changes.
Not in Europe. It does not react to speed limits on any faster roads like Autobahn or Interstate etc.
serious question
If I set my Tesla on autopilot to 70mph and there is a dead stopped car or broken down car in my lane ahead and for some reason I wasn’t paying attention what would be the results? Will the Tesla do a hard break? Will it swerve? Or will it crash into the car ahead?
I would really like to know the answer 👍🏼
It would probably brake enough to save your life at least, at most it will just come to a complete stop before hitting anything.
Not probably. It does stop in time. I know. It did for me…
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Awesome to hear!
It would see it ahead of time and slow down, and probably beep loudly at you. If a car cuts you off it’ll slow a little and move over in the lane
Historically Teslas ignore stopped objects when they get over 30 MPH. This is one of the reasons they have eliminated the old radar in the car. Kept hitting stopped firetrucks when the driver was doing something other than driving. Fortunately the car is so safe that only a few people have died in highway crashes, and many have been completely avoided, but there is no tracking of accidents that didn't happen.
The redundant systems have huge sensor fusion problems and are less safe
I wish they would off EAP again in the US, but with how much they’re pushing FSD, I don’t believe it will ever come again.
Actualy, Modern airliner will pretty much fly themselves, and could even land themselves in Autopilot, though pilots prefer to land/take-off themselves. But with airliners, it takes the pilot programing the flight computer every time, and keeping the diverent NAV radios changed, so, again, the still monitor the progress of the plane and are ready to take over, but the modern Airbus/Boeings pretty much fly themselves (in fact, look up how the throtle lever works on the Airbus airplanes: YOu have settigs for cruise, climb, go-around, etc).
IMO this test needs to also be run at night as well. My vision-only system will not work at all on a road like that at night.
In my opinion these videos are very interesting, but very long. it would be nice to watch shortened versions of these videos
😂 all that work.. just put the car in park, then put the car in drive. Good to go, AutoPilot available again.
That color is sick. Did he wrap that?
Yes, inquiring minds want to know
I love autopilot and FSD as I use it daily. I have made 4 trips from Los Angeles to Chicago. It makes driving so much easier.
Would be interesting to see if FSD Beta which uses the public build is different than the public FSD build which may be different than standard Autopilot.
Highway driving is still AutoPilot only, FSD is currently city streets only, you can see by the on screen rendering, if the streets have giant red border you are on FSD
Always appreciate these great tests. Idea … I am always surprised how little rain it takes to cause autopilot to get upset in both our Model 3s (base and performance). I realize it’s hard to have “standardized” rain but in the rainy season it would be great to see how rain affects these systems.
gm supercruise doens't get effected much by rain
It's a common misconception that the autopilot doesn't fly the entire flight. At lots of airlines you can engage the autopilot at 1,500ft agl and not turn it off until you're pulling off the runway at your destination airport.
The Civic system is decent (way better than nothing) but the lane centering has such little amount of range and the radar LOVES to brake hard when a car comes into its cone of vision from the side
Doing a Propilot test with the LEAF?