Can we Not Have These in Modern Warfare II?
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2022
- Immersion & realism are often a hot topic surrounding Call of Duty but even more so with Infinity Ward titles since they're known for taking a more grounded approach. Today I wanted to share one of my big hopes when it comes to immersion in Modern Warfare II. What are your thoughts on immersion & realism when it comes to gameplay and non-gameplay elements?
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I miss Modernwarfare's take on a tactical operator. There were various themes sure, but they made sure to made them look as if someone would actually dress like that irl
Exactly. One of the reasons I loved mw19.
Mil Sim Operators is what I miss, you had all sorts of them, from US, to Canada, to Polish GROM and even South Korean forces. They looked great
Until Billy, Leatherface, laser guns, killer crows, etc. came into the game
@@randolphthesilver4245 leather face and tracers weren't bad but the otherswere to far leather face was made pretty good
@@supreme_brick
Some tracers were really bad. Theres that super gay one which explodes people into tetris pieces.
What’s real awesome about the idea about an “immersion” setting is that another game does this. Halo the master chief collection allows players to turn off gun skins, wacky armors, and other cosmetics to keep the feel of the older halo games that are on there. I would love for MW2 to go down this route as you please both crowds.
Yea and its a sci-fi shooter. MW2 is set in modern times so there is even better argument for letting people who care about immersion have the setting.
Awesome idea, but activisions whole ideology is shoving skins down your throat until you finally give in
That setting would never come to cod 🤦♂️🤦♂️ plus that seems so pointless
If anything, the inclusion of that button affected Bungie's bottom line. There is absolutely no way that Activision, who makes literally made billions off of cosmetics in just a few months of MW19 alone, is going to let you turn off the skins. Are you all seriously thinking that Activision is going to remove one of the biggest pulls to their sales? You know how many people have went "what is X that they have? I want it" because of seeing it in game? A lot.
My brother in Christ you think the company that patented a matchmaking system for you to be paired with "whales" in order to increase skins sales back years ago is going to have a "toggle" feature? Fucking please.
@@DamienDarkside there's actually no evidence that it affected bungees monetary performance at all. A lot of people are turned off by these fortnite type inclusions so the ability to turn them off is actually an attractive Prospect to a lot of older fans like myself. And it's probably how I would play the game if I wanted to actually play it
I did like MW2019’s approach a lot. They had a massive variety of tactical/MILSIM skins which I brought a few.
And for the crazier ones (unicorn/ Halloween ones) they still looked cool and a lot of the time still had a plate carrier/chest rig on them to fit the combat theme!
I would bet that we will get more “wacky” skins this time around. There’s a portion of the playerbase who love those weird skins and Activision’s knows that so they’re going to cash in.
the mara cat ear had a combat helmet and i’m pretty sure it’s an opscore helmet
Same with the executions. I loved the ones with hand to hand combat or stuff with a knife, not a zombie or lizard lmao
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Hated the halloween ones
This is how I felt the "realism" argument should be seen as when talking about cod. I don't think anybody is asking for ARMA or Tarkov mil-sim gameplay, just something that looks tacticool and grounded in reality while still being an arcade shooter. Nobody in the real world has an experimental Russian bullpup that's bright pink with a cartoon babe on it, but it's absolutely something that some weirdo would probably do if that was widely available to own. It's when you get to 3arc post BO2 and Sledgehammer style cosmetics where I'm like damn when did Nexon port Combat Arms or Counter Strike Zombies onto console lmao
Ikr, I fucking hate the people who sit here, and shit on us guys and gals who want realistic looking skins. I get so many people telling me to just go play ARMA or Tarkov. Like no, you're not understanding, it's not the fucking gameplay that I care about, it's the fucking look of the game. Shit, I've had people tell me to just go join the army. WTF? You want me to make a life altering decision because I don't like your shitty anime waifu operator?
But speaking of experimental bullpups, bring back the FAD
Halo MCC did a similar thing in where all post launch cosmetics could be turned off just by flicking a setting
If you do that, mommy's credit card was swiped for nothing. I love it.
@@lolbuster01 that's exactly why Activision wouldn't allow it... they know they have a toxic playerbase that hates itself and wants to troll, teabag and flip off each other, so they sell increasingly obnoxious cosmetics to pander to those players' desire to flex on others... if they know their obnoxious cosmetics can be turned off from the other POV they'll give up on them and return to immutable trolling like teabagging, no scopes and executions... and Activision can't cash in
@@jamcowl you're not wrong. Come join me in mw2, I've been playing it recently and I forgot what it's like to be able to instantly identify my enemy, it's so nice.
I’d love an option to disable operator cosmetics on others to keep it realistic.
It would also only apply in game, so pre game lobby they could still show off.
Love this idea
What a dope idea man!
There is lol just hit the default skin
@@drippyyragez2472 *on others*
omg so realistic and immersive game of the year!!
Yes! More grounded aesthetics for MWII PLEASE! I still have the JTF and Shadow Company operators as my go to’s bc the look I want is tactical and believable.
Shadow company are still realistic in terms of gear. You could even have then with multicam black and it would be even more realistic
We need more milsim type skins. Various SF from around the world etc…
@@afd19850 Yes! I also wish there was a way to set a skin for each map. Or have it when you select the milsim the outfit automatically matches the climate/setting of the map like in older CODs. I'd also like there to be an option to turn everyone into a milsim. I really just dislike the operators.
One thing that NEEDS be coke back 8s to specific factions. I do kind of understand what Vanguard did just for micro transactions but I don't like seeing everyone as the same operator. BF2042 fell into the same thing where there is so many of the same operator that makes it difficult to see friend or foe and first glance.
@@colbypatelski9582 what's even more sad is that this could have been totally avoided for battlefield 2042 since they have two factions in the game Russians and Americans, so depending on which side you were you could have the same operator but with different gear and for each skin in the season you would get two varients one for the Russian side one for American side or even more factions based on where the map was or the story for each map but EA being EA and dice well... no longer the dice that made such good games like battlefield 3 or 4 or my personal favorite 1(I know buggy at launch but the core game was there), we have this...
If they absolutely MUST include pop-culture operators, there are plenty of action movie characters and stuff to choose from. A John Wick operator for instance, or Frank Castle.
The Punisher would be a perfect operator
That would be cool, but not like snoop dogg
I liked the Rambo one in Cold War, because he kind of is a cold war icon
Arnold Schwarzenegger's character from the original Predator movie would fit pretty good.
I truly hope they stay on the grounded side of the scale especially given the emphasis on realism in the art direction of them game from what they've shown. The wack-job skins really damage the overall immersion and consistency. It's like if an ultra-realistic soldier showed up in a Mario o Zelda game. It would b hilarious, but it completely break the overall aesthetic direction.
@@Parker-- This would be a great option to have on the client side. That way we can can have the choice to just not see them while the people that want them can get them if they wish.
War sim role play game at launch. King Kong and snoop dogg skins come later.
@@TRUEMIXEDBLOOD Activ$ion would never go for this. Players who buy these skins want to show them off, if there is a chance they will get turned off, alot of players won’t buy them. Don’t get me wrong I fully agree with you but it won’t happen.
don’t think you understand that it’s an arcade shooter. it’s meant to have fun and be fun for players. you should have the choice so in the menus to see crazy camos or what not
I don't want 5 games all merged together into one, I find it incredibly immersion breaking and frustrating
They aren't merging the next cod games to previous titles.
MW 2019, Cold War, and Vanguard
Will stay merged with Warzone.
Meanwhile MW II will begin a completely new experience with Warzone 2.0 ditching previous game intergrations and locker items. In short anything you have bought in MW 2019, Cold War, and Vanguard will not transfer over to MW II. MW II will also have a seperate leveling system and unique Armory. I have also heard rumors that the next CODs will all use the same engine for Future intergrations. MW II releases in october, Warzone 2.0 Launches before the end of 2022.
@@fearfoxcpu bro u kidding me i bought mw as a addon through warzones game and i have to keep warzone installed even tho im not playing it
@@veryperson1 I’m pretty sure warzone 2 will be a whole separate game
They aren't but the new ones they are going go to the new WZ2 the games after I'm sure will merge but what I see they're doing is just starting over and making it seem like it's new but in reality going be the same shit. Start over make people excited they are just MILKING the modern warfare series name. Like them adding green the MW2 reboot to make people feel like it's the old one, MW19 was grey and bland.
like WW2 guns performing better then modern weapons in Warzone ... :/
Most of the skins I purchased where for mw2019, I bought two for CW and just 1 for VG. So I'm looking forward to some normal operators and blueprints that don't have dragon wings.
Lol ur the problem why CoD is trash
VG Skins are so terrible.
Bro is a video game I hated on Cold War but there bundles were always op vanguard I bought 3 bundles and I regret it
what mw19 skins cost money? also these people are the problem.
@@krono5el they cost COD points and some cost actual money, you can also get COD points by not spending any money from Battle pass but thats only 300 per season if completed, but who wants to wait 4 and a half seasons to get enough to get a Battle Pass and then wait a few more seasons to finally get enough to buy a Skin Bundle than cost 2000 COD points
In Gears 5 you can literally uninstall customization from your console, when you do this, you can only see the default skins for each character. I'd really like something like this in COD but I doubt it would happen.
0% chance they do this unfortunately. They want you to see the skins to entice you to buy them.
same with halo mcc, you can get rid of the new skins that are weird
That's actually a thing in the mobile version
@@yaboyCombo Only thing it will entice me to do is drop the game for the next military shooter that fills my niche. Only on Cod this year because Battlefield screwed up so incredibly bad this time around and the larger map modes in Cod. Though the presence of killstreaks in those modes, in excess at that with the player count are quickly draining my enjoyment of those modes. A vtol is cool when it comes in out of nowhere, less so when I've shot down 4 of them back to back.
They probably would but Skins are server side I believe
Oh my goddd, yes.
All it would take is an option hidden away in a menu that says "Disable DLC cosmetics? YES/NO", and the whole issue is sorted.
I always thought the compromise was achieved with Rambo in cold war, have a grounded realistic looking action hero but they still stand out and are desirable because they are an action hero.
I agree on this aspect. Rambo himself isn’t outlandish. It’s only absurd because you know it’s Rambo. If you didn’t know who Rambo was, you would just think the devs decided shirts ere optional. Rambo is good DLC. Having a the clown from IT or a zombie character or the Predator or any number of bad ideas that have made their way into the game are terrible.
@@Parker-- Aye tbf predator and michael myers were put into cod ghosts without any problems from what i remember
@@mathewfitzpatrick5645 I've always found it weird how Netherrealm Studios managed to get Sylvester Stallone himself to voice Rambo in Mortal Kombat 11, but somehow neither Treyarch nor Activision either managed to or bothered to do the same.
@@photoncages6040 were those skins you could use in multiplayer? Or were they just characters you could "use" as field orders in the specific maps they were attached to? I thought it was the latter, but it's been a number of years since I played Ghosts so I honestly don't remember.
@@jedirayden Yeah they were the replacements for the K.E.M Strike after completing the first field order. I was more liking it to the fact that the games setting and design wouldve allowed for them to organically add them as skins and it not be a problem. With the new games they kind of just....start adding random shit without any care to the art direction and how they bounce off the backgrounds of the game.
100% agree. The Realism filter is something I've wanted for ages. I want them to do something similar with attachments (i.e, separate aesthetics from stats, where possible).
Yeah, the company that patented a system for you to play with "whales" is goign to allow you to turn off the cosmetics. You might as well ask if the cosmetics you buy can be kept on the gun with the attachments if you change them, that will probably have more traction than saying "Hey company driven by profits and who just made actual billions of dollars, can you turn off the free advertisement that made you billions of dollars and drastically affect cashflow for less lasers? Thanks."
@@DamienDarkside I know it isn't likely, I was just saying I would like to have it.
100% agree! It feels so janky having a semi "realistic aesthetic" in all areas, and then seeing these weird operators stick out like a sore thumb. I really didn't like it in Cold War at all. Vanguard took it to another insane level.
So, here's to hoping it stays more grounded for... Longer. Like 2019 did, by comparison.
Don't forget the tracer packs that make your guns shoot laser and turn people into tetris blocks.
@@andreivaldez2929 I don't mind tracers, but man some of them got annoying. Like the ones that turned your bullets into random objects like snowflakes or marijuana, or the ones that flashed like the rainbow tracers, or had trail effects like sparkles and glitter.
That shit's gay. Like really gay. Not even in the good way. It just looked ridiculous in a game of Ground War.
"Death Effects" / Dismemberment wasn't even a big issue I had either, but they should really just be integrated with certain weapons and attachments. Like explosives should always turn enemies into a cloud of red mist, I shouldn't have to pay for that. Special rounds should always provide an effect on kills / damage, so other players know what just killed their buddy and what they need to look out for, especially bullets / mods that have a area-of-effect damage type, like fire or electricity / stunning.
Gibbing and dismemberment should always honestly happen with larger caliber weapons, or with guns that can have HE rounds equipped.
The "pay for realism" in these games was honestly just as bad as the rainbow unicorn anime bullshit we got so accustomed to seeing. I shouldn't have to pay for things that should either already be in the game by default, or could have been added; but were added as cosmetic items instead.
Tracer rounds should also just be a equippable / interchangeable cosmetic by default. Don't care if I have to buy them for different colors, just let me change what color of tracer my gun fires, regardless of the blueprint.
I also want them to add a feature that is in COD MOBILE, MOBILE, to lock the attachment appearance when using a blueprint (because they aren't going away anytime soon). Know how if you change attachments from a blueprint it becomes ugly? They can add a "lock appearance" option, and if you change attachments the look of the gun will still be the same.
well the new vault system in mw2 is supposedly going to be doing just that so maybe they will add that to cod mobile in the future because if you look at the vault bundle then look at the red team 141 pack picture you can see they have the same weapon in different variations with the same aesthetic through all four versions of the weapon
@@stezzaplays3979 the vaults are going to be a rare thing released to the cod store, so the lock appearance option will be extremely useful.
@@sameritani what would be the point of the vaults then?
@@mikeyplayz8438 vaults make every attachment a blueprint attachment. Blueprints with hidden attachments would still look like the base blueprint with different attachments
im glad you're talking about this since most content creators never do, its just annoying looking at those obscenely goofy looking skins, i feel mw nailed this, even with its more goofy skins it feels more like tactilarp than whatever the hell vanguards cosmetics are.
Despite its other issues, I feel DICE proved with BF2042 that mtx cosmetics can be designed to be congruent with the setting, not clash with it in the most outlandish way possible, and still actually look good. Although I suppose some cosmetic purchasers actually want the clash.
@SHABOOZY666 i never said it affects gameplay, but the game could at least try to take itself a little seriously, i can only imagine how obnoxious it is to be playing a ww2 shooter and having anime characters, some of which who aren't even human, running around with the most bubbad weapons i ever seen. im not asking for complete realism cos like i said, mw did it great, but is it too much to ask for the game to not become fortnite.
@SHABOOZY666 some times people want to role play. If it’s a war game they want to have the characters dressed up in army outfits. It’s it’s a golf game they want golf outfits. It’s it’s a basketball game they want basketball outfits. You get the idea. It’s all about immersion. But the companies just want extra money so they sell these crapy skins to kids or adults who still behave like kids. If these kids want to ruin the immersion of the game by looking like King Kong or snoop dogg that is fine, but for me I prefer immersion. Giving people, like myself, the option to turn off mtx skins would be great. Some games have this already, it’d be great if mw2 add it. But adding skins that give a tactical advantage or disadvantage on purpose is a bad consumer practice which I hope they won’t do in mw2.
@@Oramj skins that make it really hard to spot you when wearing affect gameplay and that becomes p2w which is anti consumer.
@@monstermunch2682 Sad people that sit in their rooms wearing ghillie suits while pretending the game is real life, yeah.
This is what I LOVED about MW 2019. They took so much pride in making the game look military realistic down to every little detail. It really showed they did their research into the whole special forces theme and it created such a gritty tone and an immersive game. And this didn't mean they were boring either - they were still super creative with their bundles and the operators were people I actually wanted to play because they felt real and serious, as opposed to Cold War and Vanguard's operators who lack character and wear weird costumes with masks covering their faces all the time. And I still love the odd fun bundle like the anime skins, that's fun and just shows they can still do it without overdoing it, but Vanguard (Cold War too but not so much) treated their store like it was Fortnite and their was just no immersion. They could have made some super interesting, gritty World War 2 themed bundles.
For me personally I draw the line at full body cosplay looking skins. I'm fine with wacky helmets or face masks (as long as they don't get *too* wacky) and outfits that are a bit stylized and are at least functional. I don't care if there's cat ears on the helmet or edgy skull face masks or whatever. Just keep it somewhat grounded.
Honestly why even bother asking this? They look at this video and then they look at the millions they make on dumb cosmetics and that's where it ends 😔
Truth
Do they even look at the video?
An immersion filter is the least they can do. Even if we can't see the skins, people will still buy them and Activision will get their money.
@@dillonc7955 if there was an immersion filter, ppl would not be able to abuse certain skins, therefore giving no incentive to purchase said skin. Also, no free advertising for Activi$ion 🤑
Operator skins should be relatively grounded,
But I think weapon skins being over the top is harmless since usually only the person who is using the weapon will see it.
I'm not entire sure about that. Those tracer skins were absolutely blinding as hell.
@@P4brotagonist tracers should only be visible to the person using them
@@bodandron5255 I 100% agree. I hope that the tracer rounds can be switched off too. I like some of the tracer blueprints but I hate using tracers.
If you want my experience with secondhand tracers, try doing a sweaty 2v4 round of S&D and watch as your last teammate walks to your spot by bomb and pulls out his horrid tracer AR, and with equally horrid aim exposes your location without dropping a single enemy.
Tracer rounds may be blinding, but that's only bc they are aiming directly at you, anyone and everyone else k own exactly where they are
I wouldnt mind just have setting to turn them off for yourself too. Plenty of games have this feature. Also they could limit them to certain modes like Warzone. The Guns too, not just the operators.
I would love that personally
Yep, they could make it a paid feature - you spend 2000 cod points on skins and BP - here you go, you could turn off whatever skins you want. Id rather bought it than some colorful shiny skin
Instead of having a "realism filter" they could just give the player the option to filter out certain operator skins/blueprints, but like hell that's gonna happen
Long ass waiting for matchups
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I would like to see more realistic looking skins and things in the game but not to the point where it gets too real that it’s boring. My only problem with the skins in COD these days are that they’re way too overpriced and the gun blueprints are a straight up scam sometimes.
Some of the blueprints have to trash attachments on them and you end up changing the entire look of the blueprint to make the gun good. Too many games these days are trying to mimic fortnite.
1/3 of the full game price for a skin is a lot, if they were cheaper I would buy more, and they could still make profit
@@pax1217 it’s free
Agreed 20 dollars for a skin and weapon that doesn’t even look good when u put on the right attachments. Miss the days when you could spend like $5 and get a skin for every single gun. If packs were back to $5 and $10 they would be making a bag.
@@noelordz7813 He's probably talking about Multiplayer. Not everyone's into Warzone anymore, myself included.
Heavy on mimicking Fortnite
I would love to see an option that disables wacky and promotional skins. I think the way to implement that is that it only affects the client and NOT the entire server, but I do not know how difficult that would be
I want them to add a Customization operator basically customizing your own operator the way you want it not just choosing operated they let you choose you customize your own operator
Hard to see them ever giving up the wacky skins; those are the ones that really catch your eye the most and will draw in the most sales
As sad as it sounds, you'll see quite a few running that cringy Attack on Titan skin in Ace's thumbnail over in Vanguard. There's always going to be content creators hyping up these hypes of bundles to kids unfortunately.
@@jacobanderson6952 hell no. Mvp highlights were a mistake to begin with
@@jacobanderson6952 that's just you. Most of us want to play the game we paid $70 or $100 for, not watch a mini clip of someone's character doing something stupid ( which isn't skippable so everyone will have to waste their time watching them).
@@jacobanderson6952 The best kind of trolling 👌
I hope they bring all the Nine Titans, not only Reiner
Personally I don't really mind too much about the skins, I'm not a big fan of tracers in ranked though. Tracers make it very hard to see the enemy
I loved the fact that in MW 2019 they had real influencers like Alex zedra and Ronin as operators in the game as well as skins based on real military units like the CTSFO and Marine raiders being the two coolest in my opinion.
I want Call of Duty to be like the movie The Hurt Locker. I’ve been told by my friends who have served in the military that The Hurt Locker isn’t a realistic film-EOD teams don’t operate like that, they wouldn’t be in the positions they were, they wouldn’t do some of the things they did, they wouldn’t be in situations where they’re alone, etc.-but when I, a non-military layman, watches the movie, I’m so immersed in the film that it “feels” real to me. I’m so immersed in the experience that the fact that it’s not realistic ends up being inconsequential because I’m sold on what I’m seeing. COD doesn’t have to be Tarkov or Arma or whatever super realistic game is out there, but when I’m playing, I want to not notice the unrealistic stuff because it’s realistic looking and feeling enough that I’m sold on it. Little things like someone doing tactical reloads with hundred round magazines won’t bother me so much (ever hold 100-200 rounds in one hand before? They’re heavy) if the rest of the game feels and looks realistic enough. Stuff like lightning bullets and anime camos and glowing operators take me out of the game in a bad way and add unrealistic features that are conspicuous. But things like weapon balancing causing guns that should be more powerful or have less recoil be changed because they need to fit into the game without being OP are cases of good unrealistic features (when done right, anyway). In short, I want to be sold on the realism even if it isn’t that realistic.
An option to replace cosmetics with normal ones in the menu would be nice.
They should have that. If someone runs around with a flashy character, anyone with the immersion filter will see them as a default or milsim operator.
@@dillonc7955 yeah they won't though. Cause little Timmy is gonna see those cosmetics and drop his mom's credit card on them.
I love how realistic mw2019 was
I would love to see new DMZ (Tarkov) mode to be dialed towards Realism Mode. That would make high risk high reward even more challenging.
Hell, i say let those people who buy vibrant rainbow skins in so they can become easier targets.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- By Realism Mode I ment game mechanics, weapon damage and HUD. Also I would love to see more "realistic" approach to suppressors, like you have to use subsonic ammo to fully "unlock" suppressors potential.
Activision can even realese DMZ as separate game, and with its workforce and skilled devs, they could easily put EFT 2-3 years behind in therms of features and mechanics. But I know that this is just wishfull thinking.
I think Activision is REALLY missing the point here. The answer is Ghost Recon Breakpoint.
Realistic and grounded skins but players can customise and tweak their look. They don’t need wacky anime crap if players can tweak look to how they want it. Put some realistic/ghost type face-masks and helmets in the shop and the same players who want to look unique will buy them. There is also gloves, boots, backpacks, shades, tops, pants, webbing/plate carriers and that’s just the gear without face, hair, beard, tattoos etc…
It removes the need for a on/off filter and keeps it all grounded. Plus players could rock a mohawk instead of a helmet or wear a balaclava. They could still sell operators for voicelines and unique executions.
I hope collabs come back though but with characters with military background. Imagine the punisher or one of the A team's in the game as ops for MP
Mr.T running round and his kill quip been I’ve heard enough of your jibba Jabba fool
Ronin in MW is an example of such collab.
Payday 2 actually comes to mind here. All of the crossovers (bar the one no one in the community talks about) are written into the world and make sense to be in Payday. There are even movie characters with far more effort put in than COD ever did
Petition for Garand Thumb and Brandon Herrera to be operators in MW2.
Jacket from Hotline Miami makes no sense. Not just for motivation (he killed for a misplaced sense of revenge, not money) and he canonically dies at the end of Hotline Miami 2 which is set way before Payday 2, and nuclear bombs would've probably made Payday 2 look a lot different than a non-nuked US.
Default skin skin filter is an awesome idea both immersion wise and competitively no more occasions like the rose skin on top of a box becoming one with the corner
@k_aon1 when I say comp I mean actual comp, why tf would I think wz is comp. The fact that you even edited the comment but can't realise it's "which" when autocorrect is a thing says it all.
Completely agree. When mw19 and them wz1 came out, I was blown away by how much continuity there was, it had a whole gritty semi-realistic fairly dark vibe and nothing went against that. The atmosphere when forst playing verdansk, especially in solos, basically felt like a horror game because it was so damn tense!
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Honesty I feel like in MW the leatherface skin fit perfectly (Texas Chain Saw Masaacre ‘74 is a pretty grounded film) but otherwise almost all of the other skins feel pretty out of place (though as a huge Godzilla fan seeing him in Caldera was admittedly pretty amazing)
Yea a chainsaw wielding murderer wearing a someones skin on his face getting into gunfights with SOF is definitely grounded in reality
vanguard has the most crazy operator skins in the franchise to date
You clearly didn't play BO3 XD.
BO3 was at least set in the future - having Mecha Godzilla skins and laser beam guns in WWII was ridiculous.
MW19 had some of the best cosmetics in any FPS game. So many of the skins were inspired by real pictures of operators, and it was awesome seeing all the hype online when people would find who the skins were based on like the Safeguard skin for Otter which was based on the off duty British SAS operator in Nairobi who stormed the hotel by himself taking out several insurgents and rescuing several hostages. Them bringing in Milsim skins for the default operator was one of the best decisions they made, and the Milsim skins are by far the most widely used skins to this day in MW. Even when they added all the horror movie themed skins, you rarely saw them because everyone wanted to run milsim skins. I think that shows just how popular the milsim skins and operators were.
Ronin and Lerch were the best operators, the fact that they were actual soldiers made it pretty dope
100% agree, I hate how the game’s aesthetic design goes down the drain 3 months after release mostly because of all the dumb weapon and operator skins.
Modern Warfare 2019 did manage to keep it grounded in reality though.
Cold war and Vanguard fucked up in that aspect
@@joaquincasascortes624 only up to a point. at the end there were some wacky ones like the horror packs
@@birbdad1842 yeah but at least it wasn't included in the battle pass and such, those all stayed quite grounded. Re-downloaded mw recently and saw the vanguard battlepass and the downright cartoon characters they had on there were quite surprising
@@birbdad1842 but again they are STILL grounded in reality because they were people in horror costumes. The cold war color reactive camos dont make any sense and the vanguard f*ing attack on titan costumes are a joke
@@joaquincasascortes624 no they didn't manage to keep it grounded, there are lots of neon puke packs, stupid shit like cat ears mara and saw morte
I would absolutely love it if we had a filter to disable me from seeing store bundle skins and wild glowing camos while in game , because it should not be that hard , but then again iam no game developer, but i agree with you 100% , great video
I think this is the most mature -neutral comment about this topic. Well said!
Would never happen, they whole reason people buy skins in a FPS is to show off to other people. If other people can't even see their skin, then no one would buy cosmetics.
I think the flashy aot bundle was added so early because that's when the series was airing ace
The funny thing about the immersion switch for realistic skins is it kinda already exists. Sometimes character models are loaded wrong in Warzone so skins look different for different players. I really like the idea, I want a more grounded looking CoD too but I also think they wouldn't bother to add that.
I agree wholeheartedly. I would absolutely love to be able to turn off the skins to keep to the theme of the setting. I think this is a reason why Battlefield 5 got into such trouble when it was announced - the additions of 'out of theme' cosmetics and characters takes away from the immersion/atmosphere of the setting. Halo MCC did it when they started adding new armour sets that weren't in the original versions of the game, but the problem is that those weren't paid like CODs' and Activision definitely wants people to keep seeing these skins to get other players to buy them as well. So it might be a pipe dream, but I'll keep asking for it regardless
I mean bfv later made realistic skins
If you play mw2019 ground war on ps4, everyone in the game either has the default Bale and Otter skin equipped depending on what team you are on. This might be because of the console's limited hardware however it does mean that it is possible for them to create a "realism" filter for mwII
This ain’t the case for me on ps4 all the skins work fine
If they are going to do these crossovers with skins then they need to make two skin per crossover to accommodate the factions. Vanguard having no factions makes it so two ppl running the same skin you can’t tell who is teammate vs who is enemy.
I agree with this video. And if they want it grounded in a more modern realistic setting, I would expect there not to be as many wacky cosmetics. Immersion breaking seeing a dude in a tracksuit the color of a highlighter running for the treeline.
Hear me out here. I’m 100% on your side with the human-looking skins, although I think the same logic applies to a lot of the other realistic aspects. Call of Duty has historically been an arcade shooter, but doesn’t necessarily have to be; at least in IW’s creations.
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Honestly hey didn't even do a good job with the cosmetics.. But I do agree to an extent. I'm not gonna buy a 24 dollar bundle with 2 guns with red paint and a character skin that looks exactly like all the others but with a slight red tint. Balance is key imo
I completely agree with you Ace.
Not only that, but I genuinely think that the Attack on Titan skins just don’t look good in general, and they look even worse when you put it in a game whose tone is the polar opposite of that.
I hate that CODs today can’t really stick to a theme for its whole life. It always feels like they only do that in the campaign. It ruins the tone of the game so much and it only happens because Activision knows that people buy these skins and is willing to break that immersion to get that extra money.
and then we got three football players on our first event. Off to a great start.
Don't forget about Klaus and the matrix skin for that black dude..
I completely agree. An immersion filter would be amazing, but like you said, I doubt something like that will be implemented :/
Yeah let's sell 20$ skins so other players can turn them off, that would literally be the stupidest decision activision could ever make.
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I think it’d be cool if they just let you buy individual parts of packs like just the gun blueprint
I would much prefer the creativity to go into gun blueprints, that way the gun is visible for the buyer and shouldn’t really interfere with the realism of other players
I don’t mind how CW did it with some after skins like Kitsune T100 skin, Mason’s Aurora Borealis, and the Dark Aether Weaver skin. A lot of those came out later into the game life vs like Portnova’s artsy skin or Adler’s hostage skin that came out earlier.
However I feel like Treyarch has a bit more leeway because they’ve been more arcady, look back at their bo2 skins even /and/ they also have Zombies so a lot of those more glowy skins thrive in the Operator Era, has happened with guns as well, i have my bo3 gun classes to have like Dragon Fire or the gem skins or Nebula but MP I might choose Nuk3town or my CWL skins just so it’s not that obnoxious
Remember when mw2 had two teams and 2 skins
It was simple and easy to see friends from foe
Great video; I’m so glad I’m not the only one who feels this way.
I kind of disagree. I would actually like them to go the opposite direction and partner with other franchises. I would love to run around with a samurai sword dressed as Tanjiro from Demon Slayer.
thats fortnite you can a ninja.
I might be in the minority here but I came from games that were never even remotely "realístic" and from that I've always been disappointed with how bland the skins are in "realistic" games like mw 2019 or r6. Personally for cod I think they should go crazy with all the fun skins because they look cool and are just a good way to personalize your character
I'm in the same boat. Don't really like the bland skins. I didn't really like any mw19 operator except the ogs (ghost price etc)
100% agree with you, especially when skins cost usually 15-20$, i'm not gonna pay that much for a super boring grey or green militar uniform
Same here, I actually like the crazier cosmetics in these newer games. The overly realistic skins get really boring after a while. Personally, I’ve always liked the masked/helmeted operator skins the most imo.
I really wish that someday we could customize individual parts of an operator outfit (boots, pants, torso, headgear, etc). That the marketplace would be for individual items or bundles for a specific look
I do agree with a filter to choose what skins you see on other players.
There are tonnes of real world units that look cool. Kruger is a great example of an awesome Operator that’s done right!
Ghost is a great example of an Operator everyone loves even if he is not 100% “milsim” the mask makes him stand out without going full anime.
I just watched Nickmerc seeing completely normal combat uniforms from Cold War. Like SWAT, Jungle Commando, Desert special forces and other uniforms that make sense in that game but he was ungodly angry at it until till he saw one with glowing bits and a skeleton face. Nickmerc shows why COD abandoned realistic skins because people like him want the shiny flashy goofy stuff.
You can have as many wacky skins as you want. Just make it look like someone could have plausibly made that outfit. The Attack on Titan skins in Vanguard just aren't it, but the Velikan Leatherface skin or the Mara Cat Ears skin look like plausible cosplay. That's where I feel the line should be drawn.
I really love to see more "Tactical" skins or more realistic thing in game, i really hope I don't have to see most of the skins for Iskra in mw.
for me id say tied to the setting of the game, i'm fine with having a bit more wacky skins in a futuristic setting than a modern or past setting for example. i don't mind somewhat unrealistic skin as long as they are grounded in reality, an example being the anime Mara skin, where she is wearing just a normal helmet, with cat ears stuck on, and normal leggins with anime print on them. i prefer this approach to putting actual fictional characters in
Just wanna put my two cents in on something you touched on in the video...the preorder 141 operator skins if you go off the reveal trailer with the Mexican special forces the skull masks look like what a cartel death squad would wear
My only request is:
No more riot shields
If anything, it’d be cool if they included “tactical” or “immersive” variants of these whackier characters as a compromise and integrate it with a realism filter in that way. Even though it’d be great to have a feature to disable skins you don’t want to see, Activision (and maybe even IW) would never consider implementing it since the value of buying cosmetics in any multiplayer game comes from other people being able to see them, so it’d just be a bad business move remove that guarantee.
Same. I kinda like the [hoodie/ jacket with mask] combo that they did for the half serious, half goofy skins they did. I think that's an easy formula to keep the skins functional yet stylized.
Ngl tactical Leatherface would be sick as fuck
I really hope factions come back for this game, and Vanguard was a one off experiment, Because that also plays into the immersion factor for me. Having a bunch of random soldiers not tied to a particular nation just running around shooting each other is just stupid.
i still cant believe people paid money for cw or vangaurd..... like how and why?????? XD
The immersion filter is a good idea, but would NEVER happen as seeing another person's skin is also a subliminal form of advertising, and they would never sacrifice that, even if it makes the game experience more enjoyable for some people.
The Samurai skin for Ronin is a perfect example that is not needed to silly in order to do eye catching skins.
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the ridiculous skins are one of the main reasons I ditched vanguard. They just get stupider and stupider with every game. Save this shit for Fortnite
Totally "realistic" to a WW2 themed/styled game... 7_7
That says more about you than it does about the game. Do you not see how preposterous it is to say "I stopped playing a game because of a cosmetic"? Baffling.
@@Accupace that's weak 😑 😒 😐 🙄 🤣 let's nerf a rose skin let's do this that let's add 300 health let's more shit that goes in favor of poor skilled players
@@say-ef it's a post war futuristic alternative ww2
@@knrz2562 Oh...... yea but still like wtf are these skins dawg?
Like AOT skins in ww2 "setting"?
Imagine that happend in WW2, and the soldiers just sees a peach and red or whatever colored person with an stg44 or mp40..
I saw a post that said something like never did I ever think I’d be playing Warzone as snoop dogg with King Kong , scream and levi .
Thank you! I have definitely relaxed my view over the years, but very well said, I hope they listen. Even though I have no practical objection to the goofy operators in the regular playlists, I still find them…just off-putting, and I begin to lose interest in the overall visual design of anything in the game simply because I don’t take any of it seriously. My focus becomes solely on map layout and function.
Your realism suggestion, however, was spot-on. I actually would play the mode now and again if that was the case.
Lastly, I would LOVE to see them introduce a couple similar things into the competitive playlist:
1) Block use of all operator skins except for a default esports skin (think BOCW), or maybe even four varieties per team for each player to select at the beginning of the game (player 1, 2, so on) for purposes of identification.
2. Off-topic: bans for rage quitting and dash boarding. Nothing extreme, but the 5 minute, 10 minute, 30 minute, hour, day limits of BO3 were great. Maybe allow 3 quits before they begin to hopefully avoid false positives.
Good stuff as always, man. Thanks for being a level and creative mind in the community.
I draw the line pretty conservatively, at skins for characters that for the most part represent real gear from whatever military, etc., the character may represent. Call of Duty started out with immersion as a top priority, and it should stay that way. However, I think being able to customize small things within the overall outfit is fine. I just want to avoid the BO3 situation where after every fucking match I have to see absolute clown characters giving cringe post-match lines and poses. The post-match should convey only play-of-the-game and post-match information with some immersive music.
Ultimately, Gameplay > Realism, but it's possible to have a lot of realism without intruding on gameplay. Elephant Feet footsteps in MW2019 is a case where realism directly harmed gameplay. IW trying to strip the minimap entirely was another attempted move that would have damaged the gameplay. A place where realism belongs is the guns themselves. CoD needs to stop doing left-handed gun models, flat-stop, across the board. It's murder on immersion when you know that firing a left-handed gun (that doesn't actually exist in most cases) right-handed is how you get hot brass in your face and down your bra, and all because somebody thinks that we're creaming for bolt animations.
Hey, Ace! I will like to know your thoughts on having different colors for teams. Like home vs visitors! I would love to have that to differentiate teammates vs enemies. It would be less stressful to try to identify players name tags when sometimes their delays on poping out can be crucial on living or dying.
I agree mate. Vanguard screwed it up for me, with having several of the same operators on either team. Horrible design choice.
@@BlenderisedMind Completely! Even with different factions like we used to have having different colors will help to focus more in the game play that in watching over name tags! Specifically when you collide with someone and you cant see them because you are too close together!
Maybe not in pubs but rank play should be like that!
Bo3 did it best, enemies had red lights on them and it only went away if they had cold blooded i think it was
How about we have factions again. Instead of painting people with stupid lights. Bring back your primary weapon or perk showing what you're running. I can identify the teams in black ops 2 and back just by their clothes and also what perk 1 is being used.
Why can’t we just go back to only having default skins where they would change depending on your primary weapon? Skins completely ruin any sort of immersion and it’s especially annoying when the only stuff you can earn is ‘realistic’ and isn’t flashy at all compared to bundles
The combination of realism components they've incorporated (weapon/player animations, environment details, etc.) and the movement/gunplay being so buttery smooth makes you wonder how successful a spinoff mode or game could be if they took the realism a step further like Tarkov.
What would be an interesting operator concept would be content creator operators in military gear. They got a start on this with those collabs for the trailers of MW2. I think it would be more appealing to the community over the anime sponsorships like attack on titan uniforms
Imagine playing as Xclusive Ace himself in game
No it won’t
@@SunnyExMusic maybe to you it won't, I'd rock a FaZe Jev skin, or Timthetatman falling down and splatting in Warzone 😂
@@thebossman9176 ur not the community mr boss man.
@@SunnyExMusic so? Rock your anime skin if you like but if they do that thing with content creators I know what I'm choosing lol
Tbh, I actually like the cosmetic designs that are outlandish. They offer up a fun way to design a character. I feel that you may taking the cosmetic approach a little too serious. I respect your opinion Ace as someone who doesn't buy cosmetics so I totally understand that. But I think having the unique cosmetics are a fun touch. I will agree that as long as it does not affect core gameplay and mechanics, this should be fine.
Yeah, I see where you come from. However, I do think that having a very flashy skin affects gameplay. It jarring and distracts heavy. Especially when people are sliding around at 50mph ya know? When you have a bright crazy skin come rushing your screen, but a natural skin behind them, it's hard for "re-attuning" to the default. And, on a more personal note, I have moderate color blindness. So with skins like the Armoured Titan one in Vanguard. It's either that it's jarring, or it blends in on maps like desert siege and the other map in the desert. Then there is the ambiance of the game, but that's less important by a long shot lol.
Personally, to me what makes a skin cool is how realistic, it is. I like some skins just cuz they have some history to it. Like the otter skin that was based on that sas guy in africa, it was badass cuz it was badass irl. Like the tf 141 skins are alright, but to me theyre boring cuz theyre like costumes. But thats just me. I like military history. I understand why other ppl like the cooler looking skins.
I hated that skin too lol. Another problem is that you buy/wear a skin and you barely get to see it in game. Just like weapon inspect, you should be able to inspect your skin.
I agree with a lot of your points and are probably the better decisions for the game, but I super love the crazy skins and blueprints. Its like the only thing that keeps me engaged at this point.
That is super disappointing
If microtransactions are the only thing keeping you engaged in a shooter game I can't help but feel bad for you.
Imagine only playing the game to buy the shit bundles ruining the game 😂
@@JagsP95 I only have the games to play with my brothers out of state. :)
If they make cosmetics just keep them militarized please that the only thing I will accept
There's a reason why I almost always played HUD off with bots on max difficulty and realistic gun loadouts and this is it
Exactly what you are saying is why I prefer ghost with the half mask bandana, I would prefer paint instead of glasses around his eyes.
Also they should use like a latex type looking mask for ghost. Like a ski mask
It’s funny seeing this because the armored titan skin is my favorite to use lol .. also that feature that changes all unrealistic skins to realistic is possible bc I’ve seen players run around in base skins, but later in match there skin charges to there actual skin
Ahahah for disparation of many, I wish they bring all the Nine Titans, that makes so much fun to kill one of them, leave the realism for the campaign,at least for me
@@wagner9527 I’m actually pissed because we were gonna get more AoT themed bundles, next up was supposed to be Reiners human form and supposedly a warzone event but it got canceled apparently
@@igotisekaid2664 I didn't know, that sucks...Hope they are just delaying for late seasons
Glad you brought up that point at the beginning. MW created this community of people who want cod to be a "tactical" milsim even though cod has and always will be a arcade shooter. If I wanted to play a tactical shooter I'd go play insurgeny sandstorm or squad.
Why can't MW be realistic and games from the other devs be ridiculous? It was a shame when it crept into rainbow 6
Well they can’t satisfy the whole community to be honest but if mw22 is a milsim I just want them to remove all the wacky stuff from the game, if you pick a topic have balls to roll with it. You can’t pick milsim and add skin with mixer and magazine, strobe lights as a laser, the main body is a unicorn and the tracers are rainbow colour.
Once you pick a side roll with and have the creativity and balls to run with it rather than trying to make a milsim and adding anime skins so that the simps and children will pull out their mommy’s credit cards.
We dont want cod to turn into milsim. We want reasonably realistic enviroment, guns, setting ,etc. Something we had before. WaW feels realistic while being an arcade shooter. Vanguard feels stupid. Fight me.
I've always hated silly looking skins in CoD, I mean, I expect my war game to have badass cool looking soldiers, not fricking clowns and stuff (ever since AW I've always hated being killed by people who wear that kind of stuff).
And about the anime stuff, even tho I'm kind of a weeb, I'd draw the line to weapon accesories and stickers only (which I'd actually believe real soldiers who happen to like anime would put on their guns if given the chance).
It's the guns that do my head in. They all end up looking like something out of an anime and you can't call out what guns the enemy is using.
I genuinely don't think I could care less what the other players in multiplayer look like
Have to disagree but have another idea. I like when they add stuff that is not realistic like in the last 3 years MW2019 was the weakest of them all with cool blueprints and so. But what if we got an option to turn it off so everyone is one of the default operators with default looking gun. Always missed my shots when someone payed tracer bullets so i wish there was a setting like this. A realism option optional in the settings
If you missed your shots because of tracers then you’re just making excuses.
@@Goldendroid really think they are disorienting. If you get shot by a gun that is legit a paintball gun and you only see colors being shot at you yeah you dont really see the enemie
They need to make gun blueprints the same way Valorant does for the sake of competitive integrity. Take the "Steamer" blueprint for the Automaton in vanguard for example. When someone shoots at you with that thing, not only does it sound suppressed NO MATTER WHAT MUZZLE ATTACHMENT THE PERSON HAS ON IT (complete bullshit imo); but also, you can't see a damn thing because of the red tracers that the gun has on it. Valorant makes it so that from a third person POV, other people's guns, no matter the skin, bullet tracers and gun sounds are the same as if there was no skin on the gun. So there's no "pay to win" aspect because only the person holding the gun can see the different bullet tracer effect and hear the different sound effect the gun has when firing. Makes the game so much more fair. Especially in ranked play. Just my 2 cents.
@k_aon1 well yeah but when getting shot directly by it, it causes the effect to happen on your screen compared to me shooting back without tracers, not causing the same effect. Causing an unfair situation. It's just my thoughts on how they should go about things in the future. And that way, the pros can also use them in their matches because it won't be creating any unfair advantages when using those weapon skins and therefore, showing off different bundles and advertising them to viewers which would increase sales. Especially when people see their favorite players using certain skins, they're gonna want to buy and use the same ones just like the players they look up to
I always thought that Cod is missing proper ranked mode and it should be in there after 1 month from release. Hope we get it sooner this year
I've never cared for grounded skins in COD for custom cosmetics, the crazy ones have so much more flair and personality. And I like that certain skins give you an idea of what kind of player you're up against, there's always "that" skin that you see and instantly know "okay, this person is gonna be super sweaty". If you're not gonna have fancy skins then why have paid customization at all? Why would I want to pay real money to make my character look like military professional #2 instead of military professional #1? If I'm gonna pay real money for some pixels, I better be getting some wild shit
Finally someone with common sense lol