Both are obnoxious as hell for different reasons. Vegans don't address, at all, how their lifestyle isn't even healthy for the human body, outside of handfuls of exceptions, and they H A T E it when you mention how their food products aren't sustainable either.
raw milk is healthiest... FOR BABY COWS. It's like saying "raw water" is healthier for humans than filtered water and drinking out of a river just downriver from a deer carcass
There are idiots who buy and drink so-called raw water. I knew a guy who sold it to a health food store in Silicon valley. He would take it from a local freshwater pond, after he peed in the pond, and then put it in a glass container, to avoid contact with plastics, and it would be transferred to a glass container at the health food store. People paid top dollar for this nonsense. If you're familiar with most marketing gimmicks based on health, whether it's almond milk, or sugar in the raw, you know that most people have no idea what natural means in are just stupid.
@andrefalksmen1264 almond milk? What's the issue with that (other than the water intensity for farming) or did you just mean the marketing push when it first became a thing?
@@shanefoster2132 essentially, almond Growers were looking for a way to sell the ugly and broken almonds that consumers would reject. There was already almond butter, but they came out with a better marketing gimmick almond milk, which isn't milk. So they take a small quantity of the crappiest almonds and grind them up, press the pull through a filter and take the liquid which they then homogenize and add a little fillers for taste, then sell as a premium product. Of course the product goes bad quickly, without stabilizers, and has diminishing nutritional properties the older it is. The health gimmick is a great racket. It reminds me of the time that the owners of the Michelin restaurant Cirque did a documentary about the renovation of the restaurant, in the documentary when they were done and with a planning meeting they went over to McDonald's to eat. Everything is just marketing.
Yep, this is how Abraham Lincoln's mother died. Nancy Lincoln lived in a time before pasteurization, drank milk from cows that had likely eaten snakeroot plants and died at age 35, on October 5 1818.
My mother was from a country where she saw people dying from things that are normally vaccinated for here so she was absolutely baffled/horrified by the women not vaccinating their kids on purpose.
@@KantiKanenot true. life expectancy was around 60 if you dont take into account infant deaths (which you shouldnt when youre talking about grown adults)
its hilarious people saying we pasteurize milk as some plot to give corporations more money. If milk companies didn't think they had to pasteurize they simply wouldn't; and would sell raw milk Pasteurizing takes money to do, an expense corporations would happily avoid if they though they could get away with it.
Knowing companies, pasteurizing is more expensive than not doing it. And US milk companies literally fought regulations to pasteurize until they lost lmao
The first thing that came to mind hearing these imbeciles talk about this. Why would companies make more money by putting their product through an elaborate process before selling it
@@DanM8195 was about to say this. I read about this man very young. He didn't just work on milk, it was wine first. People were dieing 😮😮 and these people want to drink some 😅😅 same people who want to outbreed the left 😂😂😂. The US is a funny place
You know you can *get super-filtered unpasteurized milk at any good supermarket in Europe right? It's really good, tastes better too. I come from a farming family and raw milk is so much better... Sorry if you city slickers never experienced it. Never had a problem and never knew anyone who had a problem. Just don't be pregnat and that's it, and I'm not pregnat, I checked.
@@klof4276 I got hit by a car once and I'm fine. Yet I don't go around telling everyone that being hit by cars is fine. Because it's not. It kills people. I just got LUCKY.
No but semen retention is actually legit. I tried it and it increased my happiness levels because i no longer felt the guilt and shame that came after watching a p*rn video…
Most humans on earth are lactose intolerant I wonder what weirdos would obsess over milk. Are there any groups that have above average lactose tolerance? Groups that love a story about why they're special and great and deserve more than others?
@@Pensnmusic exactly, lactose intolerance is big. And then you realize that milk was put in people's heads by the government, same government they don't trust 😂😂 or they are just mad at Obama, Clinton and Biden?
"Big dairy will say and do anything that makes them more money" Have they ever thought that pasteurizing milk costs money? That it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to ship it straight from the cow to the grocer? Sounds a lot cheaper to me, so please tell me how they'd lose money by selling it raw?
I work adjacent to this industry. It's not cheaper to sell pasteurised milk. Because it would spoil much faster. The best consumer and company use. Is to separate the raw milk. Use some fractions to make UHT/ESL milk, take the fat, and other fractions to make milk based ingredients. That means that litre of raw milk may make several products of various value.
Tiktok influencer: "Big Dairy is trying to stop you from drinking raw milk in order to make money!" My sibling in Christ, pasteurized milk is more expensive to produce. The dairy companies need to spend money on pasteurization equipment, energy costs for heating and cooling, labor costs for running and repairing the machines. If there was no benefit to pasteurization, Big Dairy would stop doing it immediately because it'd be a way to slash their overhead.
I also experienced milk being sold in plastic bags during my childhood. This was in east germany before the reunification, but some countries still sell milk bags, like Canada, Isreal, South America etc. AFAIK also the US and UK experimented with this for a while. But I would never trust milk in a wobbly bag and be really anxious for leaking its content or even bursting.
@@Pesthauch666 We have those where I'm from, it does happen occasionally that a little hole is the plastic leaks it all out, but we tend to buy it becuase it's half the price per litre then cartons of milk. Unfortunately there is no avoiding microplastics in food, or even tap water, we need to worry about removing what's already there.
@@Pesthauch666 It's because the flimsy plastic bag is lighter and therefore cheaper to produce and transport. Likewise Canada used to use plastic bags (not much anymore) because of their switch from the imperial system to the metric system in the 1970s, which otherwise would have required them to replace all their bottling machinery since gallons and litres are different volumes. I think the last real vestiges of this packaging system is mozzarella sold in its brine. I always hate having to touch the gross whey water.
What’s wrong with raw milk? I’m not conservative at all but me and my family have drunk raw milk FOR DECADES. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with us. It’s a personal choice and personally I prefer the taste of raw milk to pasteurised milk
@@jamal202z2 Just because you're "fine" doesn't make it a good idea. It just means you've gotten lucky. That's the same asinine logic of "my pitbull never ate a toddler, ergo all pitbulls are perfectly safe".
@@WobblesandBean ah yes. My entire family have drank raw milk for decades and have bought it from a range of different farmers across the United Kingdom. But we are just “lucky” to not have been poisoned. Pitbulls are living creatures that are ticking time bomb.
I am so glad that my grandparents in their third world country...checks notes...brought their raw milk to a boil and scraped off whatever was on top before serving it to anyone.
I just got back from Mongolia, where I stayed with nomads whose cattle and goats are literally the main source of nutrition Turns out, they heat the milk (regardless the origin, being ewe, goat, yak or cow-sourced) Shocker - heating milk is just overall safer
if you've stopped masking, put that shit back on. this goes for everyone. these people are the same as anti maskers and vaxxers and idk about you, but I'm not gonna follow their lead on ANYTHING 😷😷
There’s been two separate occasions, both occurred on Facebook, where I commented under a post regarding plant based milk. Basically I was just giving my experience as a non vegan, plant based milk drinker due to allergies and both times I got bombarded by either crunchy, new age loons or bots borderline harassing me to start drinking raw milk. It was just so weird.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 and honestly, as someone with a chronic condition those milks have been a god send because i find they're no where near as inflammatory as regular milk is. I've never drank cows milk since and I've never felt so good (still consume some dairy products but very rarely.)
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 Personally I drink almond or oat milk. It's not even a matter of diet requirements (though it has certainly helped cut a chunk out of my fat intake), I just like the texture/flavour more than animal milk.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404Organic milk lasts over a month in the fridge because it's super pasteurized and that kills the bacteria that cause spoilage in milk (as well as disease organisms.)
@banquetoftheleviathan1404wait don't all pasteurized milk an average shelve life of like 6 months or something Unless, if you buy the carton and don't open it right away You can store it for months on end
I feel like these people use a bunch of buzzwords like 'probiotic' and stuff like that without actually knowing what they are talking about. People like this use these words because they sound scientific and makes them look smarter than they actually are, and since some people lack critical thinking skills, no one ever tries to know what they are talking about.
They throw terms around that may be half-truths but just raise red flags if you know anything about either nutrition or chemistry. In one of the shown examples: Milk containing MSM is believable, but the boiling point of MSM _is more than triple the pasteurization temp_ -- the lion's share of the compound will still be there post-pasteurization.
As a farm vet in training. No. Just NO. Why tf are people drinking raw tiddy juice from cows?? Like, do they not see where it comes from? Do they not know cows poop all over themselves and each other? Even if you scrub those teats clean, you're not going to prevent cross contamination from the milk machine to the udder to the milk. My auntie buys raw milk but then she heats it up herself and she also uses it to make yoghurt and cheese. Most people that have used "raw milk" before this craze aren't actually drinking it RAW RAW. They are pasteurising it at home. *Pasteurisation = a process of food preservation in which packaged and unpacked foods (e.g., milk and fruit juices) are treated with mild heat, usually to less than 100 °C (212 °F), to eliminate pathogens and extend shelf life. Pasteurization either destroys or deactivates microorganisms and enzymes that contribute to food spoilage or the risk of disease* There are no scary chemicals here. It's the same as cooking your food and not eating it raw. Heat KILLS pathogens.
Nah, what would I have with my cereal and coffee in the mornings? The dairy industry needs some much needed scrutiny and reforms if anything, as cows are living creatures too.
I wonder if the government told that woman (at 15 mins) to not drink water directly from the toilet, she'd still be like "yeah, fuck the government". Weirdoes.
I’m not American but I live in the US. It’s funny how Americans don’t know that outside of the US, “made in USA “ doesn’t have a good reputation. Something like “I’m going to take my health seriously. I need to cut out US beef from my diet” is a thing people say regularly in my country. 😅
Almonds shouldn't produce milk either, but people guzzle it down anyways 🤷♀️ almost as if most things we have is because humans have modified it to benefit us for thousands of years.
I wonder... do you wear clothes? Do you see any wild adult mammals in clothes? Do you use computer? Do you see any mammals using computer? Like you can just be naked and live free in the forrest, but well... that's your problem
Reminds me of that weird internet trend of people believing that drinking dirty water from streams because they thought it was "more natural". Natural doesn't mean healthy or good, smh
For real. Even streams that are not contaminated by human activity (if there are any left) can still be naturally contaminated by leeching chemicals from the surrounding rock, animal use, bacteria and viruses, etc. There are names for bodies of water like "Bad Water River" etc that pre-date European contact and Industrialization, because Indigenous people knew those waterways are unsafe to drink from. Ocean water, for example, is completely natural, but that doesn't mean you can drink it without processing out the salt, and everyone knows this. Not everything in nature is safe (which should be obvious), and not everything human-made is unsafe. I understand why people feel like "modern life is killing us" and we need to "get back to nature", but black and white thinking is reductive and ignorant. "It's natural" can never be a complete argument for why we should or should not do something (partly because our understanding of nature continues to evolve, but also because "what is natural?" is a largely philosophical question to begin with).
I would go so far as to say that almost nothing is better raw. Most vegetation, especially cruciferous vegetables and dried beans, have toxins that need to be denatured by heating in order to be edible. And even if they don't, a lot of micronutrients are simply nowhere near as bioavailable in raw veggies, and need heat to release them from the compounds they're bound to, in order to be absorbed by the human digestive system. Herbivorous animals tend to have much more complex digestive systems to deal with the difficulties of digesting raw plants. About the only thing that may be better raw is fruit, but there are quite a few exceptions there as well.
@@EphemeralTao but then there’s honey. Raw honey can be good because especially when it’s unfiltered with all the pollen in it, it’s a way to get your body used to whatever pollen triggers allergies. Some raw seafood is also quite delicious! I love me some sushi and oysters. But, as it stands, there’s a fair amount of things that should be heated to kill the bacteria in it if not also to make it digestible to the human stomach.
@@veronicaravello-arceo Unpasteurized unfiltered honey is not a great idea either. It can contain C. botulinum and other harmful bacteria (although this mostly affects children and the immunocompromised); and can contain toxins from various species of wild plants, most of which will be denatured by heating.
Oh there are people who collect, 'age' and drink their own urine. There was some horror story of a mother adding it to the ice pops she made for her own and other people's kids but that could just have been rage bait. Kind of hard to tell sometimes....
After moving to Idaho my sister has started drinking raw milk... But the "big dairy" angle has me genuinely baffled. Can someone explain to me how pasteurization is supposed to make them more money? If all they cared about was profit they would lobby against adding an extra step to their manufacturing process, not insist on extra government interference.
Pasteurization is more profitable for milk producers because it significantly extends the shelf life of milk. I spent summers at my grandparents' milk farm in Europe, so let me describe what the raw milk collection process looked like. My grandparents start milking the cows before sunrise. They wash their hands meticulously and also clean the cows' udders. The milk is collected in 20 to 30-liter clean containers, and by around 6 am, they arrive at the local collection facility. At the facility, each container is individually tested for contamination. Only clean milk is transferred to the large collection container; any contaminated milk is rejected because adding even one contaminated small container could spoil the entire batch. The owner of the collecting facility would face financial repercussions if such contamination occurs, so they strictly adhere to procedures without exception. Farmers share the same motivation and consequences: if their milk isn't consistently clean, collectors won't renew their contracts. All local collection facilities transport the milk to the packing and processing facility, usually located in nearby cities where consumers are located. There, the milk undergoes further testing and is only accepted if it meets required standards. When consumers buy the milk, it is good for consumption in its liquid form until the next day. Then the cycle starts over again. For comparison, when I buy a gallon of milk from Costco, it typically has a three-week expiration date. This quick turnover is feasible only locally, with many small farms, small collection facilities, and local packing facilities involved. Large-scale farms can't compete in this regard. However, with the extended shelf life that pasteurization allows, long-distance distribution becomes possible. I understand that not everyone prefers to shop daily for fresh milk and bread, but having the freedom to choose would be a nice option. Taking away the freedom to choose is simply oppressive.
not exactly milk, but has anyone else noticed an increase in people eating straight from butter sticks while also following a non-veg diet? Just watching these videos makes my arteries clog.
My dad did some all meat diet and he talked to another guy doing it who ate half pound blocks of butter as "dessert". I was flabbergasted when he told me.
They realized that Big Dairy pushes their products, but it never occurred to them that they lie about dairy being healthy/necessary for health in the first place. But yeah, they'll believe random influencers though.
@@valivali8104 and then use the healthcare system and waste their time and our taxes getting treatment for being fucking stupid, and then call for tax cuts
@@nattykadifa2856 this is absolutley incorrect, and if you took sometime to think critically about it, you would see why: probiotics are made from from bacterial cultures, usually fed on a substrate of either on whey of pasteurised milk or sterilized paper mulch, like any other modern pharmaceutical. if you used raw milk or unsterile paper you would contaminate the culture with rival bacteria and fungi that could outcompete the bacteria you want, with harmful ones like e.coli. Its a lot like how you have to sterilize mushroom substrate or sterilize containers for fermented foods like sauerckraut (not sure if you have ever tried your own ferments?). if you dont you will get mold and bacillus (botulism). how else would they get consistent batches of bacterial cultures if they did not sterilize and then re-innoculate?
Survivorship bias is a hell of a drug. It's near impossible to convince these people with studies, when they personally on a subjective level feel fine. Even if they get sick, it can still be blamed on other things.
I think one of the reasons it's so hard to get through to these people is that they are unable to grasp the concept that it's possible to want the people you dislike to avoid suffering
Listeriosis, AKA "abortion" (guess why its called that?) can be found in unpasteurized cows milk. Also tuberculosis and god only knows what. Thats what makes the Russian Roulette of drinking raw milk so much fun!
I once had an honest to goodness bout of food poisoning. Not like when people have a tummy ache and call it food poisoning. It was absolutely horrific and shockingly violent. After spending the first five hours going back and forth from the toilet to the shower, I didn’t eat for three days. Couldn’t even see a commercial with food in it without getting nauseous. I’m probably gonna stick with the pasteurized milk thanks.
tbf more than "lack of trust in institutions" i think this is more of a anti-intellectualism issue. Years and years of budget cuts and bad publicity has left public education in shambles, so private education is seen as the only real way to do things. Now, the grifter ecosystem paints even private universities in a bad light but that's a façade, because even if they're not places for learning, they're places for networking. That means less people get access to quality education and the ones that do are already part of a selective ingroup and can easily sway the uneducated masses. The people promoting drinking raw milk are most likely NOT drinking it, because they know it's harmful. They're selling a product, not educating people.
I’ve had to school so many stupid people in comments about how amazing pasteurisation is. Even on the small farms I’m familiar with, they pasteurise the milk. Why? Because cows have diseases and shit. As an Irish person, milk is a huge part of our diet. Nobody I know, even the most rural farmers, drinks unpasteurised milk. Even the term ‘raw milk’ is just a way to make it seem healthier than it actually is. Live, laugh, love milk. ❤️ 🥛
I can't stress enough how important raw fat is. We are made out of raw fat and our bodies use raw fat for thousands of different things, lubrication of cells to name one. All of it is destroyed by heating. Cooked animal products are useless.
It just blows my mind that we live in a time where people think that because they haven't personally experienced a disasterous outcome themselves then the risk absolutely does not exist. We are so so screwed.
This one particularly drives me nuts because I have a family friend who became paralyzed after getting spinal meningitis from a bacterial infection she got from, you guessed it, drinking raw milk. Like literally became quadriplegic and when I bring it up with the raw milk crowd they either accuse me of lying (because I'm a shill for "big dairy" lol) or they downplay it.
Please don't drink raw milk. My older sister drank raw milk years ago and got incredibly ill. She was in hospital burning up for days. She looked like death and probably felt like death.
@@jamal202z2 2 weeks ago "My mother drank raw milk her whole life and has had 7 kids. She is completely fine" We could call Russian Roulette a safe activity. After all there are plenty of people who did it and are completely fine.
I was skeptical about the changes to gut health that raw milk could provide but after trying just 1 glass my gut was evacuated hourly for an entire week. There's prob a whole new biome in there! Amazing!
This whole situation is chilling. Profit-motives sows distrust. -> Distrust leads to stripping regulations -> Lack of regulations lead to more profit -> Intensified profit leads to intensified distrust... What the deuce? The whole thing seems to be self-reinforcing. What can be done?
@@johndoe1274 boycotting...who? Its hard for me to say just what percentage of the population does this, but a very vocal group tend towards conspiratorial thinking and coalesce around these anti-regulation products and causes as the answer. Who is being boycotted in this scenario? The more typical brands that are subject to regulation?
@@grantjeffcoat3142 You know people care about the reputation of brands and don’t like hearing “this milk can poison you” right? Why is this a difficult concept.
@@johndoe1274 Good point, though I suppose it would depend on the media environment then as to which story is the loudest...unless it would get to a point where word-of-mouth is enough to override any of that? Also; please knock it off with the condescension.
I'm resistant to cephalosporin antibiotics lmao. I'm either (hopefully) getting a picc line for a month, hospitalized with sepsis, or dead if I drink or eat raw anything. These people should not tempt fate, they really don't want to have limited options from recurrent infections like an immunocompromised/suppressed person like me.
When I visited the States in 2015 a number of restaurants I went to had menu warnings on the dangers of eating undercooked bison burger patties which could result in illness or death. My horrified reaction was “people actually order their burgers rare or blue?”
"Get Tubercolosis to own the Libs" is not a long term strategy, but I guess they are skeptical about evolution, too...Perfectly balanced, as all things should be....
That and in America we have GT’S Kombucha available in a lot of grocery and organic stores, with billions of probiotics in each bottle and the guy Dave who started it had a decent goal. Its not the same as soda of course it’s fermented tea, but damn does my stomach feel good after I have some! I use a lot of Greek yogurts for dips and toppings instead of using sour cream, mayo, and milk. Mostly for a protein supplement but the healthy bacteria is a plus. 😂❤
So most people who drink Raw Milk are much more likely to be farmers. And have lower rates of asthma, do you think that might be more to do with you know living in the countryside, with low levels of pollution.
This is why I truly believe we modern humans, on average, are as dumb as humans in the medieval ages. People were probably smarter in ancient times when they had to use physics to build structures to irrigate their farms and build their own boats. The only difference lies in our technology and access to information. More resources. Same mental processing power.
50 year old here. My mother's grandparents were farmers. She told me she used to cry when she had to stay with them and had to drink raw milk. It sounds terrible regardless if it makes you sick.
The government could tell these people "don't set yourself on fire, it's bad for you" and they would come up with videos explaining how it's actually good for balancing their carbon levels or something 🙄
The median lifespan of humans has doubled since Pasteur came up with his namesake process. While it isn't the only reason this has happened, it definitely had a meaningful part in it.
I work as an animal handler at a dairy farm, and I cook with raw milk. Although it obviously do not stay raw when I cook it. I never drink it raw, I cook with it within a few hours after it was milked, and apply the same kitchen hygiene as when I cook with raw meat. With that said, some people would not handle raw milk as carefully as I do, if they got hold of it. So I think it is probably for the better, that selling unpasteurized milk is not allowed.
Even pasteurized milk doesn't last that long. And the pasteurization of milk came at a time when people were dieing. These are the people who want to homeschool kids 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I don't mind homeschooling for early education but I'm a teacher, so obviously my kids will be well thought for a while, not everyone can teach for obvious reasons 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ and these people are much worse , full of half information 😮
So you work on a dairy farm... What happens to the cows after four years or so when their milk production slows down? Also, don't cow only produce milk during and after a pregnancy? I sure hope they aren't forcefully impregnated with a fist in their backside. Oh yeah, and what happens the male calves who obviously don't produce milk?
@@tamiausten873 Actually, there is a significant difference between pasteurized milk and unpasteurized milk, in terms of durability. Sure, neither is something you´d store long term, but unpasteurized milk actually go sour a lot quicker than pasteurized milk. The expiration dates on food are often set carefully, the food is often fine even a while after the expiration date. If you have some old milk which you kept past expiration date, try sniffing at it. If it does not smell sour, pour up a little, look and sniff. If it still seem fine (and is pasteurized), try tasting it. If pasteurized milk smell and taste alright, you can just go ahead and use it. Indeed, pasteurized milk is still safe to consume, even if it is a little sour. That is absolutely not the case with unpasteurized milk. If unpasteurized milk has gone sour, it likely contain dangerous levels of bacteria, and you have to discard it.
@@tomw9739 Question 1: They get sent to slaughter. Question 2: Yes, they have to get pregnant in order to produce milk. And yes, they are inseminated. Question 3: Male calves get fed up alongside the female calves, to begin with. They are then fed up separately from the females, in order to be slaughtered as young adults.
When I was a little kid I was on a farm in Russia visiting family and my mom and a few others pressured me to drink raw goat milk when I didn't wanna and I drank it and now I hate that memory and feel resentment because of it. I have chronic illness... who knows if it gave me some of the issues I have had my whole life... It could have, apparently. Brucellosis for example can cause chronic illness I hate this whole culture of anti-science and how the naturalistic fallacy is so prevalent. It's very common in Russian culture and I think is on the rise again. Especially among conservatives. I hate that people due to their lack of trust and lack of knowledge end up just harming themselves when they really think they're doing the right thing And perhaps if big pharma and healthcare systems in general were more trustworthy people wouldn't be desperately searching for "natural" ways to be healthy
I really hope you do a bit more research into John Green and his accomplishments, he's SO much more than just a young adult romance writer. He's not only been on RUclips as one half of the Vlogbrothers channel for like 17 years now, he's one of the founders of Crash Course, a RUclips channel that seeks to help spread educational content to everyone for free.
We have put so many organizations, professions and information between humans and their mortality, we are seeing this breakdown now. The average person doesn't seem to realize that humans are easily breakable. We used to get a cut... get infected... and DIE. We now have the ability to provide health care and information to keep ourselves well, which is truly amazing! But in the process, people have lost our daily connection to the cycle of life. It's weird to say that not fearing for our lives all the time could be a bad thing... but I think we are seeing the effects of this disconnect now. People don't die of cuts or bad milk/food or measles as often anymore, so people don't believe that these things could kill us anymore. I can't help but think, we aren't evolved enough to live in this world that we've created for ourselves.
unfortunately the advancements in medicine have rendered natural selection impossible nowadays. these people will simply do these things, get sick, use our health care system to get better and then continue what they were doing. oh and all while calling poor people lazy pieces of sh*t and rag on overweight people for being unhealthy and overusing our healthcare system, just like they do all the time
Thank you for including John Green's clip. Of course there are more issues with Raw Milk than just TB, but TB is at least 1 very good reason to ensure you are drinking pasteurized milk.
Open air farm might be the acceptable "lesser evil". IMO the problem of milk industry (just like with any other industry) is forcing the said industry into society with unsuitable geographic and sociological conditions such as here in tropical Asia. In places like Tibet, Siberian steppes or Alpines, it's a necessity not a "trend". You will not build inhumane dirty cages for animals when you don't really need that bc the environment and the culture supports your business.
@@stephengrant4841 I live in a place where protein is pretty expensive yk, milk is an easy and cheap source plus my little brother definitely needs it, I think it's pretty ignorant and western chauvinistic of you to expect everyone to follow a vegan diet, btw I would love to go vegan, the choice tho is between starving or being broke buying this stuff
John Greens centrism drives me bananas but his Hyperfixation with TB is so endearing. Also I know there's a narrative John used to be leftist and became centrist over time. I've been watching vlogbrothers since 2008. He's always been painfully moderate
I drank raw milk once when I was about 12 or so. My aunt lived on a farm and I did it because my cousin dared me to. I had a hellacious stomach ache from that. Won't be doing that again
@@nattykadifa2856and clearly you don’t understand that anecdotal evidence means fuckall in comparison to reams of data we’ve accumulated over decades. But keep doing you, it’s your funeral.
what’s stopping you friend? there’s so many other milks to try!!! :D theres an alternative to everything. there are plant based butters, cheeses and dressings, try some out! you’re sure to like one. you can then have the same experience with none of the unpleasant thoughts. :) good luck ^^
Yeah, cows milk is pretty cruel and significantly bad for the environment in a multitude of ways. Plant based milks are hugely better for the environment in terms of land use, emissions, eutrophication, waste, and yes, even water use. Despite hearing about almonds using loads of water, it still uses much fewer potable water draws to produce than dairy.
My biology teacher was also peddling the same ideas of raw milk being shut down by big dairy, I have been reflecting a lot on how his food politics were terrible. He hated corporations which was good but still often blamed individuals for not eating healthy without realizing that maybe they can't afford healthier food or don't have time to cook healthy food. Good video!!
In uni me and some others wanted to write an essay on raw milk for a course on milk. After one hour of searching for papers we had to write for something else because it is dangerous
As someone from a european country, where we DO HAVE legal options to buy raw milk - the cows are heavily controlled to be healthy and there are strict rules about it - same with a German food called ''Mett'' which is raw minced pork we put on our bread - When I worked at a food store raw milk was only allowed to be sold for around three days - without breaking the cooling chain. - Consumable for around a week maximum. Also Kefir is normally also not really made with raw milk because of the risk of bacterias that are not wanted in the Kefir to infect the bacteria used to ferment the milk to make kefir
My parents use to bring raw milk home, but my mother always boils it (pasteurising it) before drinking. We had a little farm in the mountains in Brazil.
5:06 I have 20 years. I am from a village in Romania and grew up drinking raw milk. I didn't know it was so dangerous.I generally knew it was safer for health if you boiled it (which I also recently found out unfortunately). But I didn't know it could be so dangerous that it's banned in some countries. That's good to know. Luckily I like boiled milk more and drank it more often than raw milk
The thought of drinking a glass of pasteurized milk is repulsive. The thought of drinking a glass of raw milk is even more revolting! I think the problem with these folks is that they're drinking milk.
The carnivore/low carb communitty are becoming way more annoyin' and extreme than the vegans they always made fun of. How ironic...
They always were more annoying
Both are obnoxious as hell for different reasons. Vegans don't address, at all, how their lifestyle isn't even healthy for the human body, outside of handfuls of exceptions, and they H A T E it when you mention how their food products aren't sustainable either.
Every time I see one of them eat a stick of butter 🧈 😭 Anyone remember when people were promoting RAW MEAT? SMH
At least they not pushing it on others
They were always that way
raw milk is healthiest... FOR BABY COWS. It's like saying "raw water" is healthier for humans than filtered water and drinking out of a river just downriver from a deer carcass
There are idiots who buy and drink so-called raw water. I knew a guy who sold it to a health food store in Silicon valley. He would take it from a local freshwater pond, after he peed in the pond, and then put it in a glass container, to avoid contact with plastics, and it would be transferred to a glass container at the health food store. People paid top dollar for this nonsense. If you're familiar with most marketing gimmicks based on health, whether it's almond milk, or sugar in the raw, you know that most people have no idea what natural means in are just stupid.
@andrefalksmen1264 almond milk? What's the issue with that (other than the water intensity for farming) or did you just mean the marketing push when it first became a thing?
@@shanefoster2132 essentially, almond Growers were looking for a way to sell the ugly and broken almonds that consumers would reject. There was already almond butter, but they came out with a better marketing gimmick almond milk, which isn't milk. So they take a small quantity of the crappiest almonds and grind them up, press the pull through a filter and take the liquid which they then homogenize and add a little fillers for taste, then sell as a premium product. Of course the product goes bad quickly, without stabilizers, and has diminishing nutritional properties the older it is. The health gimmick is a great racket. It reminds me of the time that the owners of the Michelin restaurant Cirque did a documentary about the renovation of the restaurant, in the documentary when they were done and with a planning meeting they went over to McDonald's to eat. Everything is just marketing.
There's a possibility they think animals and people are the same as they point to animals to disprove things like homosexuality
@@andrefalksmen1264wtf is raw water?
This is what happens when your audience is anti-science and conspiratorial.
Darwinism in real time. I'm cool with it.
Facts!!! They will find conspiracy in anything and do nothing to understand what they are talking about.
Its pretty much an entire party today.
@JaymeSplendid : When those darwin award receivers go down, they'll take us with them...
an older relative told me, “people died from that when I was a kid”
Yep, this is how Abraham Lincoln's mother died. Nancy Lincoln lived in a time before pasteurization, drank milk from cows that had likely eaten snakeroot plants and died at age 35, on October 5 1818.
@@zacklapaglia7644 everyone died at 35 back then
My mother was from a country where she saw people dying from things that are normally vaccinated for here so she was absolutely baffled/horrified by the women not vaccinating their kids on purpose.
They want to return us to the time when the best advice you could give to new parents was ‘don’t get too attached’
@@KantiKanenot true. life expectancy was around 60 if you dont take into account infant deaths (which you shouldnt when youre talking about grown adults)
its hilarious people saying we pasteurize milk as some plot to give corporations more money.
If milk companies didn't think they had to pasteurize they simply wouldn't; and would sell raw milk
Pasteurizing takes money to do, an expense corporations would happily avoid if they though they could get away with it.
True. They actually resisted pasteurizing milk for a while because it cost a few more cents to do.
The corpos in America were literally the last ones to do it because of this reason.
Knowing companies, pasteurizing is more expensive than not doing it. And US milk companies literally fought regulations to pasteurize until they lost lmao
Came here to say this.
The first thing that came to mind hearing these imbeciles talk about this. Why would companies make more money by putting their product through an elaborate process before selling it
People will make their whole lives about raw milk as the better society, but shit and piss themselves if you start discussing public housing
Also they'll shit themselves without talking bout it
@@yoholup19literally
... or child support.
They’re probably pooping themselves from all that raw milk they were drinking
Maybe we need some posters akin to “just drink milk”, maybe “just support housing”?
Shoutout Louis Pasteur for saving me and most of humanity from dying an extremely painful and unpleasant death
Louis Pasteur is rolling around in his grave right now.
@@DanM8195 was about to say this. I read about this man very young. He didn't just work on milk, it was wine first. People were dieing 😮😮 and these people want to drink some 😅😅 same people who want to outbreed the left 😂😂😂. The US is a funny place
Most of humanity was not being wiped out by raw milk but that's Louis pasteur anyway
You know you can *get super-filtered unpasteurized milk at any good supermarket in Europe right? It's really good, tastes better too.
I come from a farming family and raw milk is so much better... Sorry if you city slickers never experienced it. Never had a problem and never knew anyone who had a problem. Just don't be pregnat and that's it, and I'm not pregnat, I checked.
@@klof4276 I got hit by a car once and I'm fine.
Yet I don't go around telling everyone that being hit by cars is fine.
Because it's not. It kills people. I just got LUCKY.
The undercarriage of a cow is as pristine and germ-free as the undercarriage of a car.
so you can suck the milk straight out of the udder?
Honestly I’d rather lick the underside of a car than the underside of a cow. Have people seen how covered in shit dairy cows get?
@@usernamelastname7741 Is that what you've been doing? 🤔
@@Callimo yes
i only drink raw milk that still has bits of grass and dirt in it
Testicle tanning, semen retention, raw milk; it's always something.
No but semen retention is actually legit. I tried it and it increased my happiness levels because i no longer felt the guilt and shame that came after watching a p*rn video…
@7arb-f-15 that's a you thing bud I didn't feel that anyways. It's healthy to masterbate we have ample data on this.
@@7arb-f-15That sounds like a different kind of problem
@@luna-p elaborate
@@7arb-f-15 Religious indoctrination perhaps?
"Raw milk has been associated with beneficial changes in the gut microbiome" Well, let's leave it at just "changes"
Most humans on earth are lactose intolerant
I wonder what weirdos would obsess over milk. Are there any groups that have above average lactose tolerance?
Groups that love a story about why they're special and great and deserve more than others?
"Raw milk gave white people the colonizer gut microbiome and that's good"
-some looney like Matt Walsh probably
These ARE beneficial, the question is to whom.
@@Pensnmusic exactly, lactose intolerance is big. And then you realize that milk was put in people's heads by the government, same government they don't trust 😂😂 or they are just mad at Obama, Clinton and Biden?
Explosive ones
"Big dairy will say and do anything that makes them more money"
Have they ever thought that pasteurizing milk costs money? That it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to ship it straight from the cow to the grocer? Sounds a lot cheaper to me, so please tell me how they'd lose money by selling it raw?
They'd lose money when they cause illness or death and get sued
By being liable for illnesses for one.
Well they don't really think
I work adjacent to this industry. It's not cheaper to sell pasteurised milk. Because it would spoil much faster.
The best consumer and company use. Is to separate the raw milk. Use some fractions to make UHT/ESL milk, take the fat, and other fractions to make milk based ingredients.
That means that litre of raw milk may make several products of various value.
@@3_character_minimumMercury used to be a preservative before the FDA existed.
"WHY IS RAW MILK BANNED!??!"
Because... it can be dangerous? Idk how this is such a hard concept to grasp
The government also promoted vaccines so it's obviously all bad /s
not banned in most of the world America yeah you can't sell it but you can give it away js
Why was being a Jew banned in Germany?
Your response:
Raw eggs are also dangerous, and they aren't banned. Try again.
@@diablominero the difference between eggs and milk is that you don't typically cook milk before you consume it
Tiktok influencer: "Big Dairy is trying to stop you from drinking raw milk in order to make money!"
My sibling in Christ, pasteurized milk is more expensive to produce. The dairy companies need to spend money on pasteurization equipment, energy costs for heating and cooling, labor costs for running and repairing the machines. If there was no benefit to pasteurization, Big Dairy would stop doing it immediately because it'd be a way to slash their overhead.
not the grifters promoting RAW milk *_right after_* we start finding H5N1 in cows on dairy farms in the US
perhaps they think COVID didn't finish enough people... so why not incubate a new pandemic? gotta buy back those stocks and foreclosed homes.
Not just in the cows, in their fucking mammaries. Ya know, where milk the gets made from.
Gotta infect yourself to build immunity /s
woo health conservatives are a death cult
Servants of Nurgle.
Are these the idiots that claim Homelander is not a villian?
Don't be surprised if they claim so.
Please don’t give them any ideas, they might start drinking human breast milk soon.
Yep
Considering that he's talking about Conservatives, yes.
Same people who are confused that the boys “suddenly became political”
Raw milk in a plastic jug kills me. Pasteurization is bad but micro plastics are fine?
Only if the plastic is anti-government
I also experienced milk being sold in plastic bags during my childhood. This was in east germany before the reunification, but some countries still sell milk bags, like Canada, Isreal, South America etc. AFAIK also the US and UK experimented with this for a while. But I would never trust milk in a wobbly bag and be really anxious for leaking its content or even bursting.
@@Pesthauch666 We have those where I'm from, it does happen occasionally that a little hole is the plastic leaks it all out, but we tend to buy it becuase it's half the price per litre then cartons of milk.
Unfortunately there is no avoiding microplastics in food, or even tap water, we need to worry about removing what's already there.
@@Pesthauch666 It's because the flimsy plastic bag is lighter and therefore cheaper to produce and transport. Likewise Canada used to use plastic bags (not much anymore) because of their switch from the imperial system to the metric system in the 1970s, which otherwise would have required them to replace all their bottling machinery since gallons and litres are different volumes. I think the last real vestiges of this packaging system is mozzarella sold in its brine. I always hate having to touch the gross whey water.
@@Pesthauch666I have the same memory! My mom heated the milk at home, too.
People give their kids raw milk but think my wearing a dress is what hurts kids.
What’s wrong with raw milk? I’m not conservative at all but me and my family have drunk raw milk FOR DECADES. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with us.
It’s a personal choice and personally I prefer the taste of raw milk to pasteurised milk
@@jamal202z2 Just because you're "fine" doesn't make it a good idea. It just means you've gotten lucky. That's the same asinine logic of "my pitbull never ate a toddler, ergo all pitbulls are perfectly safe".
@jamal202z2 my Dad smoked a half pack of cigarettes for decades and he's fine. I guess cigarettes are safe. 💁🏾♀️
@@WobblesandBean ah yes. My entire family have drank raw milk for decades and have bought it from a range of different farmers across the United Kingdom. But we are just “lucky” to not have been poisoned.
Pitbulls are living creatures that are ticking time bomb.
@@verda_renee why don’t you check the state of his lungs
I am so glad that my grandparents in their third world country...checks notes...brought their raw milk to a boil and scraped off whatever was on top before serving it to anyone.
How would they scrap the top? Very interesting
@@harharharharharharharharha240 a spoon.
@@harharharharharharharharha240lol, you serious? How would you strain anything out of liquid?
I just got back from Mongolia, where I stayed with nomads whose cattle and goats are literally the main source of nutrition
Turns out, they heat the milk (regardless the origin, being ewe, goat, yak or cow-sourced)
Shocker - heating milk is just overall safer
@@dobsilambre1305 nomadic herds are more science literate than the average far right American
To the absolute shock of none
"Tik Tok raw milkers are going to give us bird flu."
I am SO TIRED of being shackled to these bozos and paying the price for their insanity.
Stock up on masks, wash your hands, be ready.
while they insist everything is a personal choice bc they are incapable of caring for anyone but themselves.
if you've stopped masking, put that shit back on. this goes for everyone. these people are the same as anti maskers and vaxxers and idk about you, but I'm not gonna follow their lead on ANYTHING 😷😷
Lol, agreed. At least this time around we already know what the drill is gonna be like...
Guarantee they blame the consequences on vaccines. 100% guarantee.
There’s been two separate occasions, both occurred on Facebook, where I commented under a post regarding plant based milk. Basically I was just giving my experience as a non vegan, plant based milk drinker due to allergies and both times I got bombarded by either crunchy, new age loons or bots borderline harassing me to start drinking raw milk. It was just so weird.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 and honestly, as someone with a chronic condition those milks have been a god send because i find they're no where near as inflammatory as regular milk is. I've never drank cows milk since and I've never felt so good (still consume some dairy products but very rarely.)
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 Personally I drink almond or oat milk. It's not even a matter of diet requirements (though it has certainly helped cut a chunk out of my fat intake), I just like the texture/flavour more than animal milk.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404Organic milk lasts over a month in the fridge because it's super pasteurized and that kills the bacteria that cause spoilage in milk (as well as disease organisms.)
I like almond milk pretty well depending on the brand.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404wait don't all pasteurized milk an average shelve life of like 6 months or something
Unless, if you buy the carton and don't open it right away
You can store it for months on end
See, the problem with the guys correctly debunking the raw milk is that they aren't attractive, filming in their cars, or talking fast enough.
Um well I think he's attractive lol
Hank Greene? He is attractive but I wouldn’t say he is good looking. But some people find intelligence very attractive (me).
@@theinvisiblewoman5709 I don't think he showed Hank, I just saw John Green(his brother)
"Ever since i heard of this yesterday ive been convinced of the benefits"😂
Just like when they "read a facebook post" and thought they were scientists during corona...
Conservatives on health in a nutshell 🤣
I’m convinced this is a direct quote from the video 😶
'Why do I feel like this is gonna change my life?' well yeah, tuberculosis sure will...
I feel like these people use a bunch of buzzwords like 'probiotic' and stuff like that without actually knowing what they are talking about. People like this use these words because they sound scientific and makes them look smarter than they actually are, and since some people lack critical thinking skills, no one ever tries to know what they are talking about.
You can get probiotics from pasteurised then fermented milk and yoghurt so they have no point...you can even get it from kimchi.
They throw terms around that may be half-truths but just raise red flags if you know anything about either nutrition or chemistry.
In one of the shown examples: Milk containing MSM is believable, but the boiling point of MSM _is more than triple the pasteurization temp_ -- the lion's share of the compound will still be there post-pasteurization.
@@redlightmaxRaw milk is literally more nutritious than all meals of a vegan in his lifetime, that is 1 year before they quit.
As a farm vet in training. No. Just NO. Why tf are people drinking raw tiddy juice from cows?? Like, do they not see where it comes from? Do they not know cows poop all over themselves and each other? Even if you scrub those teats clean, you're not going to prevent cross contamination from the milk machine to the udder to the milk. My auntie buys raw milk but then she heats it up herself and she also uses it to make yoghurt and cheese. Most people that have used "raw milk" before this craze aren't actually drinking it RAW RAW. They are pasteurising it at home. *Pasteurisation = a process of food preservation in which packaged and unpacked foods (e.g., milk and fruit juices) are treated with mild heat, usually to less than 100 °C (212 °F), to eliminate pathogens and extend shelf life. Pasteurization either destroys or deactivates microorganisms and enzymes that contribute to food spoilage or the risk of disease* There are no scary chemicals here. It's the same as cooking your food and not eating it raw. Heat KILLS pathogens.
Getting ecoli to own the libs
I remember learning about this stuff middle school.
YUCK 😭 WHY DID YOU SAY THAT
Nah bro salmonella and e coli straight from the cow’s teats is where it’s at 😩
@@RyuKyu.77 I mean it's true. Cows aren't exactly sterile environments.
The correlation between carnivore/raw milk advocates and right wing grifters is crazy.
Raw milk also spoils quickly…
Raw milk becomes sour, which can turn to cottage cheese and sour cream. Please do research
@@nattykadifa2856 Or you can make those without it being sour. Please do research and pretend to be smart elsewhere.
Can the raw milk drinkers actually describe how the gut micro biome works? What are the names of the bacteria and what do they do?
I read that in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice
They have no idea 😂
Can you actually describe the experiment which proved that drinking the bacteria in raw milk harms you? Oh wait, there is no such thing.
Honestly looking at the dairy industry and how messed up it is, we should just stop consuming milk
Nah, what would I have with my cereal and coffee in the mornings? The dairy industry needs some much needed scrutiny and reforms if anything, as cows are living creatures too.
@@Jolis_Parsec plenty of milk alternatives
@@Jolis_Parsec oat/almond milk does not taste that different imo
After you have been using plant milk for a while and then you taste regular milk again, it tastes like sweaty armpits.
@@milkcatdog394 Hmm… I’ll give it a try at the very least.
You can't hide from tuberculosis
Tuberculosis can hide from you tho
Knock knock...Hello, I am Bovine TB and I am so happy to meet ya
Well, not when you do everything you can to get it...
"This is why you should be drinking raw milk"
*cuts to him shitting his guts out on the toilet*
Let's hope 🤣
Given the Olympic-level mental gymnastics these clowns engage in, they'd probably put it down to the Mexican food they had last week.
"You'll lose weight!"
Technically true
I wonder if the government told that woman (at 15 mins) to not drink water directly from the toilet, she'd still be like "yeah, fuck the government". Weirdoes.
There are actually life-saving bacteria in the toilet water
@@zelena.pupavka There's listeria and e-coli, too.
@@zelena.pupavka there’s also life-*ending* bacteria there
@@justhannah3960 I heard they're great for the gut
🤣🚽
I literally grew up in the countryside where my friends lived on their family farms and they factually NEVER drank raw milk.
I’m not American but I live in the US. It’s funny how Americans don’t know that outside of the US, “made in USA “ doesn’t have a good reputation. Something like “I’m going to take my health seriously. I need to cut out US beef from my diet” is a thing people say regularly in my country. 😅
Comparatively, the European Union has a far higher standards in products, specially food.
Its funny how the "its better because is natural" crowd forget how weird is for an adult mammal to drink milk ...
Plenty of natural things are very very weird.
Almonds shouldn't produce milk either, but people guzzle it down anyways 🤷♀️ almost as if most things we have is because humans have modified it to benefit us for thousands of years.
@@sillycookiewhat a dumbass false equivalency almond milk isn't even milk its just pulverized almonds mixed with water use your brain.
I wonder... do you wear clothes? Do you see any wild adult mammals in clothes?
Do you use computer? Do you see any mammals using computer?
Like you can just be naked and live free in the forrest, but well... that's your problem
Lead is natural but I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't want it in or on their body these people are wild
Reminds me of that weird internet trend of people believing that drinking dirty water from streams because they thought it was "more natural". Natural doesn't mean healthy or good, smh
Uranium is natural, arsenic is natural. Asbestos is natural. 😂
For real. Even streams that are not contaminated by human activity (if there are any left) can still be naturally contaminated by leeching chemicals from the surrounding rock, animal use, bacteria and viruses, etc. There are names for bodies of water like "Bad Water River" etc that pre-date European contact and Industrialization, because Indigenous people knew those waterways are unsafe to drink from. Ocean water, for example, is completely natural, but that doesn't mean you can drink it without processing out the salt, and everyone knows this.
Not everything in nature is safe (which should be obvious), and not everything human-made is unsafe. I understand why people feel like "modern life is killing us" and we need to "get back to nature", but black and white thinking is reductive and ignorant.
"It's natural" can never be a complete argument for why we should or should not do something (partly because our understanding of nature continues to evolve, but also because "what is natural?" is a largely philosophical question to begin with).
Tab water is much healthier than bottled water in other countries, though, because of massive regulations and high standards.
@@EmiL_from_NieRbotulism is natural as fuck
Are these the same idiots who bought a Cybertruck?
That Venn Diagram is a circle within a circle, I'm sure.
most definitely
Pasteurization is important. Not everything is better raw. ESPECIALLY in cases where the food can easily grow bacteria otherwise
I would go so far as to say that almost nothing is better raw. Most vegetation, especially cruciferous vegetables and dried beans, have toxins that need to be denatured by heating in order to be edible. And even if they don't, a lot of micronutrients are simply nowhere near as bioavailable in raw veggies, and need heat to release them from the compounds they're bound to, in order to be absorbed by the human digestive system. Herbivorous animals tend to have much more complex digestive systems to deal with the difficulties of digesting raw plants.
About the only thing that may be better raw is fruit, but there are quite a few exceptions there as well.
If it's got disease, don't take it raw :P
@@EphemeralTao but then there’s honey. Raw honey can be good because especially when it’s unfiltered with all the pollen in it, it’s a way to get your body used to whatever pollen triggers allergies. Some raw seafood is also quite delicious! I love me some sushi and oysters. But, as it stands, there’s a fair amount of things that should be heated to kill the bacteria in it if not also to make it digestible to the human stomach.
@@veronicaravello-arceo Unpasteurized unfiltered honey is not a great idea either. It can contain C. botulinum and other harmful bacteria (although this mostly affects children and the immunocompromised); and can contain toxins from various species of wild plants, most of which will be denatured by heating.
@@Ivan-bw6iw what’s the taste difference anyway? I’m not brave enough to try raw milk so that’s why I’m asking
IT'S A BODILY FLUID. MY GOD. DID THEY FORGET?
I'm gonna start selling my piss in bottles and call it like peacock Musk or something
Oh there are people who collect, 'age' and drink their own urine. There was some horror story of a mother adding it to the ice pops she made for her own and other people's kids but that could just have been rage bait. Kind of hard to tell sometimes....
After moving to Idaho my sister has started drinking raw milk...
But the "big dairy" angle has me genuinely baffled. Can someone explain to me how pasteurization is supposed to make them more money? If all they cared about was profit they would lobby against adding an extra step to their manufacturing process, not insist on extra government interference.
Show her that companies have already lobbied against extra steps such as pasteurization.
Pasteurization is more profitable for milk producers because it significantly extends the shelf life of milk. I spent summers at my grandparents' milk farm in Europe, so let me describe what the raw milk collection process looked like.
My grandparents start milking the cows before sunrise. They wash their hands meticulously and also clean the cows' udders. The milk is collected in 20 to 30-liter clean containers, and by around 6 am, they arrive at the local collection facility. At the facility, each container is individually tested for contamination. Only clean milk is transferred to the large collection container; any contaminated milk is rejected because adding even one contaminated small container could spoil the entire batch. The owner of the collecting facility would face financial repercussions if such contamination occurs, so they strictly adhere to procedures without exception. Farmers share the same motivation and consequences: if their milk isn't consistently clean, collectors won't renew their contracts.
All local collection facilities transport the milk to the packing and processing facility, usually located in nearby cities where consumers are located. There, the milk undergoes further testing and is only accepted if it meets required standards.
When consumers buy the milk, it is good for consumption in its liquid form until the next day. Then the cycle starts over again.
For comparison, when I buy a gallon of milk from Costco, it typically has a three-week expiration date.
This quick turnover is feasible only locally, with many small farms, small collection facilities, and local packing facilities involved. Large-scale farms can't compete in this regard. However, with the extended shelf life that pasteurization allows, long-distance distribution becomes possible.
I understand that not everyone prefers to shop daily for fresh milk and bread, but having the freedom to choose would be a nice option.
Taking away the freedom to choose is simply oppressive.
Because it's the government who FORCES pasteurization lol.
not exactly milk, but has anyone else noticed an increase in people eating straight from butter sticks while also following a non-veg diet? Just watching these videos makes my arteries clog.
🤢
Cholesterol denialism is their delusion
WTF why are people eating sticks of butter it's supposed to flavor things not eaten like string cheese
My dad did some all meat diet and he talked to another guy doing it who ate half pound blocks of butter as "dessert". I was flabbergasted when he told me.
@glitterberserker1029 That's ridiculous that guy is going to have heart issues later
They realized that Big Dairy pushes their products, but it never occurred to them that they lie about dairy being healthy/necessary for health in the first place. But yeah, they'll believe random influencers though.
Lowkey if the conservatives want to drink raw milk… that’s fine by me
Unfortunally they are going to make others, especially their children, drink it too...
@@valivali8104 and then use the healthcare system and waste their time and our taxes getting treatment for being fucking stupid, and then call for tax cuts
I pay plenty for insurance and Medicare, thank you, I don’t need more sick people raising my rates.
They will likely cause a endemic flu issue with this
@@valivali8104 let's not forget about Tuberculosis
Well to be fair, tuberculosis does strengthen your immune system.
Assuming you don't die first...
It damages your inner organs long term.
Seriously, if you really need the probiotics, just eat some yogurt.
Make homemade kimchi or sauerkraut so much safer and even more probiotic
Which is often made with raw.milk
@@nattykadifa2856 this is absolutley incorrect, and if you took sometime to think critically about it, you would see why: probiotics are made from from bacterial cultures, usually fed on a substrate of either on whey of pasteurised milk or sterilized paper mulch, like any other modern pharmaceutical. if you used raw milk or unsterile paper you would contaminate the culture with rival bacteria and fungi that could outcompete the bacteria you want, with harmful ones like e.coli. Its a lot like how you have to sterilize mushroom substrate or sterilize containers for fermented foods like sauerckraut (not sure if you have ever tried your own ferments?). if you dont you will get mold and bacillus (botulism). how else would they get consistent batches of bacterial cultures if they did not sterilize and then re-innoculate?
@@nattykadifa2856 Wrong, that's the exception. And yogurt made from raw milk should be avoided as well.
@@InfiniteDeckhandI guess I'm just lucky that I haven't gotten sick from the probably tens of thousands of liters of raw milk.
Survivorship bias is a hell of a drug. It's near impossible to convince these people with studies, when they personally on a subjective level feel fine. Even if they get sick, it can still be blamed on other things.
You don't even have one study to prove your belief lol
I think one of the reasons it's so hard to get through to these people is that they are unable to grasp the concept that it's possible to want the people you dislike to avoid suffering
Listeriosis, AKA "abortion" (guess why its called that?) can be found in unpasteurized cows milk. Also tuberculosis and god only knows what. Thats what makes the Russian Roulette of drinking raw milk so much fun!
Guess I've escaped the bullet a trillion times then, right?
I once had an honest to goodness bout of food poisoning. Not like when people have a tummy ache and call it food poisoning. It was absolutely horrific and shockingly violent. After spending the first five hours going back and forth from the toilet to the shower, I didn’t eat for three days. Couldn’t even see a commercial with food in it without getting nauseous. I’m probably gonna stick with the pasteurized milk thanks.
had a similar experience in Thailand - 2 days for me - traumatised me for a whole year. I have OCD so defo a nightmare for me
tbf more than "lack of trust in institutions" i think this is more of a anti-intellectualism issue. Years and years of budget cuts and bad publicity has left public education in shambles, so private education is seen as the only real way to do things. Now, the grifter ecosystem paints even private universities in a bad light but that's a façade, because even if they're not places for learning, they're places for networking. That means less people get access to quality education and the ones that do are already part of a selective ingroup and can easily sway the uneducated masses. The people promoting drinking raw milk are most likely NOT drinking it, because they know it's harmful. They're selling a product, not educating people.
I’ve had to school so many stupid people in comments about how amazing pasteurisation is. Even on the small farms I’m familiar with, they pasteurise the milk. Why? Because cows have diseases and shit. As an Irish person, milk is a huge part of our diet. Nobody I know, even the most rural farmers, drinks unpasteurised milk.
Even the term ‘raw milk’ is just a way to make it seem healthier than it actually is.
Live, laugh, love milk. ❤️ 🥛
I can't stress enough how important raw fat is. We are made out of raw fat and our bodies use raw fat for thousands of different things, lubrication of cells to name one. All of it is destroyed by heating. Cooked animal products are useless.
It just blows my mind that we live in a time where people think that because they haven't personally experienced a disasterous outcome themselves then the risk absolutely does not exist. We are so so screwed.
TOTALLY FUCKED
My father had a cattle farm with one of the heifers being a straight up dairy cow. We still got pasteurized milk at the grocery store.
This one particularly drives me nuts because I have a family friend who became paralyzed after getting spinal meningitis from a bacterial infection she got from, you guessed it, drinking raw milk. Like literally became quadriplegic and when I bring it up with the raw milk crowd they either accuse me of lying (because I'm a shill for "big dairy" lol) or they downplay it.
Paul Saladino is like the SWAT unit of Fitness Internet. If you see him appear, something has gone horribly wrong. Except he’s usually the cause.
Is he really a doctor? I’m about to look it up
Is he the guy who eats raw testicles?
@@marierosario2773 He is, which makes it more horrifying
Please don't drink raw milk. My older sister drank raw milk years ago and got incredibly ill. She was in hospital burning up for days. She looked like death and probably felt like death.
Also it is extremely dangerous to pregnant women.
My mother drank raw milk her whole life and has had 7 kids. She is completely fine
@@jamal202z2She might have turned out ok, but judging by your comment her kids definitely didn’t .
@@jamal202z2she was lucky
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@@jamal202z2 2 weeks ago
"My mother drank raw milk her whole life and has had 7 kids. She is completely fine"
We could call Russian Roulette a safe activity. After all there are plenty of people who did it and are completely fine.
I was skeptical about the changes to gut health that raw milk could provide but after trying just 1 glass my gut was evacuated hourly for an entire week. There's prob a whole new biome in there! Amazing!
This whole situation is chilling.
Profit-motives sows distrust. -> Distrust leads to stripping regulations -> Lack of regulations lead to more profit -> Intensified profit leads to intensified distrust...
What the deuce? The whole thing seems to be self-reinforcing. What can be done?
You forgot "unrelated" injures and death in there.
you're forgetting the distrust part causes boycotts and customers to go elsewhere (except for the most terminally braindead).
@@johndoe1274 boycotting...who? Its hard for me to say just what percentage of the population does this, but a very vocal group tend towards conspiratorial thinking and coalesce around these anti-regulation products and causes as the answer.
Who is being boycotted in this scenario? The more typical brands that are subject to regulation?
@@grantjeffcoat3142 You know people care about the reputation of brands and don’t like hearing “this milk can poison you” right? Why is this a difficult concept.
@@johndoe1274 Good point, though I suppose it would depend on the media environment then as to which story is the loudest...unless it would get to a point where word-of-mouth is enough to override any of that?
Also; please knock it off with the condescension.
I'm resistant to cephalosporin antibiotics lmao. I'm either (hopefully) getting a picc line for a month, hospitalized with sepsis, or dead if I drink or eat raw anything. These people should not tempt fate, they really don't want to have limited options from recurrent infections like an immunocompromised/suppressed person like me.
When I visited the States in 2015 a number of restaurants I went to had menu warnings on the dangers of eating undercooked bison burger patties which could result in illness or death.
My horrified reaction was “people actually order their burgers rare or blue?”
"Get Tubercolosis to own the Libs" is not a long term strategy, but I guess they are skeptical about evolution, too...Perfectly balanced, as all things should be....
Yogurt has more and better bacteria that have been specifically cultivated. 😅
That and in America we have GT’S Kombucha available in a lot of grocery and organic stores, with billions of probiotics in each bottle and the guy Dave who started it had a decent goal. Its not the same as soda of course it’s fermented tea, but damn does my stomach feel good after I have some!
I use a lot of Greek yogurts for dips and toppings instead of using sour cream, mayo, and milk. Mostly for a protein supplement but the healthy bacteria is a plus. 😂❤
acutely aware of my age whenever younger people discover that john and hank green are brothers
So most people who drink Raw Milk are much more likely to be farmers. And have lower rates of asthma, do you think that might be more to do with you know living in the countryside, with low levels of pollution.
As a French, seeing this is so hilarious, I'm thinking about how Louis Pasteur must be rolling in his grave, facepalming 😂
This is why I truly believe we modern humans, on average, are as dumb as humans in the medieval ages. People were probably smarter in ancient times when they had to use physics to build structures to irrigate their farms and build their own boats.
The only difference lies in our technology and access to information. More resources. Same mental processing power.
I'm in Norway, and I learned about this in school, yep.
Crazy comment because in France raw milk is legal and the majority of their cheeses are made from raw milk
How did the great shittening go
@@TheHalfBlackReaper Cheese and raw milk are not the same thing 😭 I'm not a fan of cheese, but it's safe to consume 👍
50 year old here.
My mother's grandparents were farmers. She told me she used to cry when she had to stay with them and had to drink raw milk. It sounds terrible regardless if it makes you sick.
The government could tell these people "don't set yourself on fire, it's bad for you" and they would come up with videos explaining how it's actually good for balancing their carbon levels or something 🙄
The median lifespan of humans has doubled since Pasteur came up with his namesake process. While it isn't the only reason this has happened, it definitely had a meaningful part in it.
This is simply wrong 😂
I work as an animal handler at a dairy farm, and I cook with raw milk. Although it obviously do not stay raw when I cook it. I never drink it raw, I cook with it within a few hours after it was milked, and apply the same kitchen hygiene as when I cook with raw meat.
With that said, some people would not handle raw milk as carefully as I do, if they got hold of it. So I think it is probably for the better, that selling unpasteurized milk is not allowed.
Even pasteurized milk doesn't last that long. And the pasteurization of milk came at a time when people were dieing. These are the people who want to homeschool kids 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ I don't mind homeschooling for early education but I'm a teacher, so obviously my kids will be well thought for a while, not everyone can teach for obvious reasons 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ and these people are much worse , full of half information 😮
So you work on a dairy farm...
What happens to the cows after four years or so when their milk production slows down?
Also, don't cow only produce milk during and after a pregnancy? I sure hope they aren't forcefully impregnated with a fist in their backside.
Oh yeah, and what happens the male calves who obviously don't produce milk?
@@tamiausten873 Actually, there is a significant difference between pasteurized milk and unpasteurized milk, in terms of durability. Sure, neither is something you´d store long term, but unpasteurized milk actually go sour a lot quicker than pasteurized milk.
The expiration dates on food are often set carefully, the food is often fine even a while after the expiration date. If you have some old milk which you kept past expiration date, try sniffing at it. If it does not smell sour, pour up a little, look and sniff. If it still seem fine (and is pasteurized), try tasting it. If pasteurized milk smell and taste alright, you can just go ahead and use it.
Indeed, pasteurized milk is still safe to consume, even if it is a little sour. That is absolutely not the case with unpasteurized milk. If unpasteurized milk has gone sour, it likely contain dangerous levels of bacteria, and you have to discard it.
@@tomw9739 Question 1: They get sent to slaughter.
Question 2: Yes, they have to get pregnant in order to produce milk. And yes, they are inseminated.
Question 3: Male calves get fed up alongside the female calves, to begin with. They are then fed up separately from the females, in order to be slaughtered as young adults.
I buy raw milk directly from the farmer and we drink it in the UK
4 years now. No problems
When I was a little kid I was on a farm in Russia visiting family and my mom and a few others pressured me to drink raw goat milk when I didn't wanna and I drank it and now I hate that memory and feel resentment because of it.
I have chronic illness... who knows if it gave me some of the issues I have had my whole life... It could have, apparently. Brucellosis for example can cause chronic illness
I hate this whole culture of anti-science and how the naturalistic fallacy is so prevalent. It's very common in Russian culture and I think is on the rise again.
Especially among conservatives.
I hate that people due to their lack of trust and lack of knowledge end up just harming themselves when they really think they're doing the right thing
And perhaps if big pharma and healthcare systems in general were more trustworthy people wouldn't be desperately searching for "natural" ways to be healthy
I really hope you do a bit more research into John Green and his accomplishments, he's SO much more than just a young adult romance writer. He's not only been on RUclips as one half of the Vlogbrothers channel for like 17 years now, he's one of the founders of Crash Course, a RUclips channel that seeks to help spread educational content to everyone for free.
We have put so many organizations, professions and information between humans and their mortality, we are seeing this breakdown now. The average person doesn't seem to realize that humans are easily breakable. We used to get a cut... get infected... and DIE. We now have the ability to provide health care and information to keep ourselves well, which is truly amazing! But in the process, people have lost our daily connection to the cycle of life. It's weird to say that not fearing for our lives all the time could be a bad thing... but I think we are seeing the effects of this disconnect now. People don't die of cuts or bad milk/food or measles as often anymore, so people don't believe that these things could kill us anymore. I can't help but think, we aren't evolved enough to live in this world that we've created for ourselves.
Even when my family had cows we boiled our milk before consumption also our cows never had TB ever, thats a scary thought.
less conservatives in the world
win win
unfortunately the advancements in medicine have rendered natural selection impossible nowadays. these people will simply do these things, get sick, use our health care system to get better and then continue what they were doing. oh and all while calling poor people lazy pieces of sh*t and rag on overweight people for being unhealthy and overusing our healthcare system, just like they do all the time
Tuberculosis also spreads through the air.
@@alexanderpurkis3508 Only as droplets are expelled from the mouth. I for one tend to stay as far away from known conservatives as possible.
Nah we should care about life…even dumb people’s
@@darriennemartin4083agreed
Thank you for including John Green's clip. Of course there are more issues with Raw Milk than just TB, but TB is at least 1 very good reason to ensure you are drinking pasteurized milk.
Just don’t drink any milk. Dairy farms are fucking horrible places
Yup
Easy for a privileged vegan with easy access to soy milk to say, I would but vegan milk here costs a billion dollars a litre if we can even find it,
@@RyuKyu.77 So don't drink milk at all then? It's gross imo.
Open air farm might be the acceptable "lesser evil". IMO the problem of milk industry (just like with any other industry) is forcing the said industry into society with unsuitable geographic and sociological conditions such as here in tropical Asia. In places like Tibet, Siberian steppes or Alpines, it's a necessity not a "trend".
You will not build inhumane dirty cages for animals when you don't really need that bc the environment and the culture supports your business.
@@stephengrant4841 I live in a place where protein is pretty expensive yk, milk is an easy and cheap source plus my little brother definitely needs it, I think it's pretty ignorant and western chauvinistic of you to expect everyone to follow a vegan diet, btw I would love to go vegan, the choice tho is between starving or being broke buying this stuff
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte
John Greens centrism drives me bananas but his Hyperfixation with TB is so endearing. Also I know there's a narrative John used to be leftist and became centrist over time. I've been watching vlogbrothers since 2008. He's always been painfully moderate
Emphasis on "painfully". Obama fanboy and pro-Israel even now.
That John Green as the last of the starting clips. Dude is very passionate and very based about fighting tuberculosis.
"ever since I heard of it, yesterday, I've been convinced" did me some psychic damage
Those conservatives were inspired by their favourite film The Last Jedi, when Luke Skywalker drank that raw green milk.
I would argue we shouldn't drink cow milk at all, but that's just me.
I wouldn't be surprise if conservatives start eating poisoness mushrooms soon...
Considering foraging has become more popular lately I'm surprised we haven't heard of people expiring from eating poisonous mushrooms more lately
Poisonous, but yeah, UR not wrong.
Forget that, I want them eating the hallucinogenic rotting wheat again. Ergot, nomnom!
True, lol. I'm always terrified of what comes next. The non-vaxxers were bad enough...
I drank raw milk once when I was about 12 or so. My aunt lived on a farm and I did it because my cousin dared me to. I had a hellacious stomach ache from that. Won't be doing that again
Yet I buy raw milk every week for 4 years and never had a problem
@@nattykadifa2856and clearly you don’t understand that anecdotal evidence means fuckall in comparison to reams of data we’ve accumulated over decades.
But keep doing you, it’s your funeral.
My grandfather got TB in his right arm bone from drinking raw milk. They had to remove his right elbow when he was a kid.
Just thinking about how milk is produced in America makes me want to give up on milk entirely! 😫
what’s stopping you friend? there’s so many other milks to try!!! :D theres an alternative to everything. there are plant based butters, cheeses and dressings, try some out! you’re sure to like one. you can then have the same experience with none of the unpleasant thoughts. :)
good luck ^^
I gave up cow's milk entirely about a month ago. I mostly use almond milk.
Try almond milk. It tastes good.
Then do it! ❤
Yeah, cows milk is pretty cruel and significantly bad for the environment in a multitude of ways.
Plant based milks are hugely better for the environment in terms of land use, emissions, eutrophication, waste, and yes, even water use.
Despite hearing about almonds using loads of water, it still uses much fewer potable water draws to produce than dairy.
Conservatives are hell bent on wiping themselves out. Why stop them?
Well, their kids?
@@ewuraamaetruwaasam7084 They should be thinking of that.
If Big Dairy had influence over the government wouldn't they convince them NOT to make raw milk illegal because it's cheaper than pasteurizing milk? 🤔
Why do Conservatives do anything to just be different
Up next drinking untreated water because people are stupid
Bad news, they are already doing it
That's... already a thing. In fact, the dude who founded Juicero is on that kick now.
My biology teacher was also peddling the same ideas of raw milk being shut down by big dairy, I have been reflecting a lot on how his food politics were terrible. He hated corporations which was good but still often blamed individuals for not eating healthy without realizing that maybe they can't afford healthier food or don't have time to cook healthy food. Good video!!
What is their reasoning for why “big milk” would even care?
In uni me and some others wanted to write an essay on raw milk for a course on milk. After one hour of searching for papers we had to write for something else because it is dangerous
As someone from a european country, where we DO HAVE legal options to buy raw milk - the cows are heavily controlled to be healthy and there are strict rules about it - same with a German food called ''Mett'' which is raw minced pork we put on our bread - When I worked at a food store raw milk was only allowed to be sold for around three days - without breaking the cooling chain. - Consumable for around a week maximum.
Also Kefir is normally also not really made with raw milk because of the risk of bacterias that are not wanted in the Kefir to infect the bacteria used to ferment the milk to make kefir
My parents use to bring raw milk home, but my mother always boils it (pasteurising it) before drinking. We had a little farm in the mountains in Brazil.
5:06 I have 20 years. I am from a village in Romania and grew up drinking raw milk. I didn't know it was so dangerous.I generally knew it was safer for health if you boiled it (which I also recently found out unfortunately). But I didn't know it could be so dangerous that it's banned in some countries. That's good to know. Luckily I like boiled milk more and drank it more often than raw milk
Yeah, as long as you're boiling it, you should be good.
Marie Pasteur discovered the process of sterilisation by heat and her husband took credit for it.
crap like this is why, even as a non-vegetarian, i don’t choose to drink any sort of dairy milk anymore. no puss, no fuss!
'I feel like it's gonna change my life.' Oh yeah, it will.
By giving you 50% off.
The thought of drinking a glass of pasteurized milk is repulsive. The thought of drinking a glass of raw milk is even more revolting! I think the problem with these folks is that they're drinking milk.
Yes! Hearken back to the glory days, when our milk thrashed and writhed with living parasitic worms like god intended!