The 'tree vs woman' response to 'bear vs man' is the perfect representation of Margaret Atwood's quote: Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.
Yeah when i saw that i didn't care about it, like oooooh no some random men i don't know would rather talk to a tree than me that sounds so.......nice he won't bother me then
We already get laughed at and ignored all the time. Doctors think we make up our pain. No choice needed there we have to deal with it no matter what the men just can't handle it for one second.
“You see, it’s totally fine for higher status men to bully lower status men because that’s how the lower status men are whipped into shape. But because women are inherently inferior to men, they have no right to do so.” - these sexist assholes.
Revenge porn laws prove men will use your most intimate moments against you in a break up too, it’s just different types of vulnerability and intimacy.
They think themselves entitled to owning women as property, and they hate everything that reminds them how evil that entitlement to the ownership of slaves is.
No they still need to use our bodies- to make themselves feel like men. They want to be able to degrade and dehumanize us, & show off to other men why we are disposable.
Are these men just sharing emotions with women, or are they trying to make women solve their emotional problems? Are they wanting women to be their counselors? That's a little different than simply acting like a human with feelings
2 years ago, I was at a coffee shop and I heard a 90-year-old tell another 90-something dude that women and under-30-y/o people shouldn’t vote. There was a young woman there who overheard it and blasted them for it. It was insane to hear that in person, much less online.
If anybody shouldn't vote then it's those 90 olds because all their decisions are for short term benefits with terrible long term consequences. They don't care what will happen tomorrow, they will be gone by then, many of them don't even care what will happen with their children and grandchildren. If they have their say they will push everybody in debt so they can have their couple years of feast and leave bill for younger generations to pay. Many of old peoples vote based on looks, "he have such nice haircut and he is always neatly dressed, must be good person!" that's how old peoples thinks.
These guy don’t want people who don’t agree with them to vote and the younger the people the less likely they agreed to their conservatives view point that their generation agreed too also they don’t want women to have a say in anything
Yeah, a lot of things that were dismissed years ago as fringe internet crap is crossing over into the Overton window of acceptable political ideas and gaining traction. I worry that most liberal and centrist people won’t be ready to have to defend their own rights once the time comes because they’ve been too busy calling everyone dramatic feminazis for the past 20 years. 😬
they're literally saying "men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them" but acting like the men are more justifiably afraid with the tree scenario. Self-awareness has left the building...
The tree scenario is fine. Talking to a tree might definitely help you vent some feelings that maybe you don't feel comfortable sharing with a real person (or if you feel your need to share is becoming overburdensome to your friends...) But it's simply not a comparison with the bear vs man choice.
@@SuprousOxide The tree one is idiotic specifically because you cannot ascertain any useful information about it. ANYONE, man or woman could talk to a tree. In fact the tree option is even WORSE because no man or woman would be unwilling, or unsurprising, to choose a fuckin' tree. The bear is actually surprising (even if stupid).
Those guys really said: I would prefer a tree because women hurt my feelings and used them against me Whereas women were saying: I prefer a bear because I won’t get r$ped and/or killed. WOW
Lol...men never report domestic abuse and 70% experience physical violence against men but it is not threatening bcoz they are stronger then women....women are not saint either....if you want to end violence people need to speak with compassion instead of spreading hatred
You modern people forget that Men used to be expected to be fearless hunters and warriors. There are many things a traditional Man fears more than being killed. Both Roman Soldiers and Japanese Samurai preferred death to humiliation. As did Native American Warriors/Hunters of the Great Plains, like the Sioux.
@SammyRobinson62232 Nope. It wasn't "toxic" when it was necessary for the tribe as a whole to survive. "Toxic Masculinity", modern people, especially men are simply incredibly weak and and fragile of mind and body compared to their ancestors.
These dudes need to understand the concept of "trauma dumping." There is a big difference between having a healthy habit of sharing your emotions with those close to you vs letting it all build up and dumping it all on one person expecting them to fix it somehow.
This confusion doesn't come as much of a surprise; even acknowledging mental health as a thing that might require maintenance by a professional is seen as weakness.
I used to have an anxiety attack every weekday at the same time, because it was around the time my partner would get home and dump his negativity all over me. No care about what I had done that day, no worries about my feelings, just an avalanche of crap. And when I told him he had to stop and started avoiding him, he told me I was mean and selfish. Dude.
@@PhoenixFireZeroperhaps if we made an analogy about how sports cars need frequent maintenance and the mind needs that too... 🤔 I think sports cars in particular being "high performance" and status symbols so it might help some people if they want to think more highly of themselves.
Yup. "You need to listen to my feelings!!! Also I don't think anyone should listen to you and you should have no part in society outside of the home!!" Like ok....
I mean yeah duh. It depends on how it’s aid. If she says that in an empathetic way and more of an encouragement to go get help, then that isn’t a problem but if she makes that statement in a brash manner in a tone of “I don’t give a fuck”, of course that is a bad thing and anybody would complain about that. Like for example, there’s a difference between when a man says “you’re so damn annoying” in a condensending tone and “you’re so damn annoying”, flirtatiously speaking.
@@blackgold754 I've witnessed several situations in which someone started a not 100% light-hearted conversation and was instantly asked whether "they have someone to talk to" or told to "go get professional help". No, people should not be told to "go to a therapist" in a way that makes it clear that the person who says it only means that they should go on the nerves of someone who gets paid to listen to such boring, annoying crap. Directing someone to a therapist despite them just wanting some human connection and compassion or an outside opinion about something bad they've experienced is plain anti-social behaviour.
@@camelopardalis84 yes!! I agree with you. That’s exactly what I was saying too!!! Being told to go to a therapist in a condescending manner can make anybody feel the victim bad or even wasting their time on someone that they thought they could trust somebody with! That’s why I believe the guy in the video was complaining too since he was told just that. If I ever told my homie to go to a therapist, I would do in an empathetic manner by letting him/her know that I will available in that part of the process instead of discarding them liek trash. That being said, I’m glad you brought up that comment and expanded onto mine. Thank you
"I voted for Trump because of you." "I follow Jordan Peterson because of you." "I stand with Russell Brand because of you." Yeah? Well, I'm an adult who takes responsibility for my own fucking decisions in life.
@@jtl-en4yx I'd feel sorry for you if I hadn't seen attractive women with fuck ugly me my entire life. Almost as if many women are attracted to something deeper that I guess they don't find in you. 🤷
And if a bear unalives (hate that word) you, that’s all it’ll do. Now with a man…. 😬 Let’s just say there’s a reason most mortuaries prefer to hire women over men.
I'm on the accused bird app now a random letter. They were yelling about trees, I tweeted "of course they'd choose a tree, it's stuck there and has to silently listen to them ramble and rage on"😑
A man argued with me about choosing a bear in the comments. Yes, he indeed not only talked about “not all man”, but also created a scenario when a bear will r*pe me… how are they so desperate to prove us wrong that they are willing to imagine something never recorded while denying basic statistics and anecdotal evidence from me and other survivors (I talked about almost being SA’d by two men when I was 11 and it was his response..) Thank you for the video!
Lol, it's always "not all men", ut they never tell us "which men". Besides, what's the point? Most bear encounters don't even turn violent, so it's not "all bears", either...
11, wow. I'm sorry, that must have been really scary for you. Damn..Honestly, I think the man you are talking about here should be ashamed to react in such a manner when you were opening up about something like that. What was he thinking, I don't understand how he thought that was a fair and rational response.
I always love how these conversations eventually get to the point where r*ape is brought up with no self-awareness about what they are saying. Honestly as a dude, I'd pick the bear too.
its also funny how a majority of men when asked the man or the bear, many chose the bear. its pretty funny how they can comprehend that they can also not be safe around men but not the same for women
Women aren't usually victims of sporadic violence though. Most assaults suffered by women by a pretty wide margin are done by people they know. On the other hand men are much more likely to encounter sporadic violence from other men. Stranger danger isn't true in most cases. Being wary of random people will do you much less good than being wary of your closest friends. Since they have trust they can exploit.
@@paranoiaproductions1221 "are done by people they know.": The vast majority of those people who turn violent against women are still boys men. No matter how you try to spin it and which group of people you use as victims, the majority of all kinds of crimes are still commited by men.
I'm so done with conservative men. I'm done with centrist men too. They almost ALWAYS turn conservative. I have lost so many male friends because they started off as centrists, then drank the extra-strength koolaid and became raging conservatives, which doesn't vibe will with my being queer and a woman. For the sake of my SANITY, because it truly is heartbreaking watching your friend go from sane to hating everyone, including you, I'm only gonna associate with leftists. Also, I just straight up deleted my Twitter. And my Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit. Peace at last.
Being in the middle of an argument says two things about why you would put yourself in that position: •You think both sides have good points. or •You don't care and you don't want to bother listening what both sides of the argument are saying, you just want them to stop so you can continue your life in the status quo that feels comfy to YOU (majority of the population, specially young people are here). In misogyny and other equally bad social issues, being centrist makes you an enabler *at best* .
I find that ironic personally because I was a little conservative when I was a young teen but I ended up switching to a more centrist stance with progressive views.
Yeah, the man has absolute power in this situation. If they asked would you rather be with a woman or a bear I can see the answers being radically different.
Omg! The guys making the equivalence between emotional rejection and being SA'd or unalived, as if those things are equal, and as if men don't do all of those same emotional rejections to women they are dating. I love that their example is another thing they are way more guilty of.
"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them" - margaret atwood Classic quote. And horrible dudes like this just keep rollin out the hits.
The tree thing is so dumb. It's basically trying to shame women for not giving men free labour. "Oh, yeah? You'd prefer to be unalived by a hungry animal over the course of a few hours than be unalived slowly by a person who does it for fun? Then we won't use random women as free therapists!!!" It's like telling a woman she'll end up alone with cats if they don't latch on to the first man to show interest. What does it say about them that women would prefer to live with a creature that craps in a box than put up with them? They're always telling on themselves.
For real, my jaw dropped at the guy who was mad that the woman explicitly told him to seek help elsewhere because she wasn’t his therapist. That’s not a personal attack, it’s setting healthy boundaries and treating him like a grown person
@@thatgirlinautumn5995 The "do you have someone to talk to" as in "can you go see a therapist" question gets asked extremely quickly by some people, though. Regualr people should be able to talk to other regular people and not instantly be told "Hey, don't talk to me about anything remotely serious. Go to someone who's willing to listen to you because they make their money that way. I will not lend you an ear."
@@camelopardalis84 Nah man. I'm not going to let just anyone take up my time to trauma dump on me. If you can't stop yourself from trying to trap women to do things for you that they don't want to do/aren't equipped to do, then you're a problem.
@@camelopardalis84 I mean, I'm not going to let some vague acquaintance trauma dump on me. I'm not an emotions receptacle. At minimum I expect a solid friendship and reciprocation when it comes to talking about trauma like that. And I'm not capable of just taking every guy's trauma and deal with it. Therapists literally studied on how to not carry their client's traumas. If someone tells you, even a very close friend, that they cannot deal with your trauma and that you need professional help, that's not an instant rejection, that's someone who isn't capable of carrying two life times of trauma.
Yeah, men should absolutely go get therapists. There's a difference between talking about your feelings and trauma dumping or throwing a pity party and expecting women to fix your feelings for you. Men should also tell their feelings to other men.
@idpro83 riddle me this, if this is not an issue, why do all these men (not all men, I hate that I have to specify that) say that they can't talk to women about their feelings and say that women have told them to just go get a therapist? It's probably cause women have told them to go get a therapist because their tired of carrying the burden of said man's feelings. Now, don't get me wrong. There's also many an immature women who doesn't want to hear a man's feelings because she thinks it's unmanley, but just like not all men expect women to handle their feelings, not all women think that men shouldn't have feelings.
@@1237tnbYeah for real; I had one of my friends, after she ASKED about how I was doing and all I said was "life has been kinda rough, especially since I broke up with my ex" (literally one sentence) and she told me that I should "save it for therapy" as if I havent known her for 10+ years and that basic honesty is too emotionally intense for a conversation between friends. Yes, there are lots of guys who don't understand what the difference between being real and trauma dumping is, but there a lot of ladies out there that think any amount of emotional intimacy is trauma dumping and think that going to therapy = has no emotional needs
@scottbuck1572 thank you for sharing that's real. I do have a guy friend right now who's deeply depressed and he doesn't really talk about his feelings, but he doesn't take advice either. He honestly does nothing. So, I and my other female friends, are at the point now that we are like, You just need to go to therapy cause we can't help you anymore than we have. We are not trained for this.
it takes a special kind of soulless ghoul to use the headline of a woman being mauled to death by a bear as some kind of le epic twitter win. that's deranged on a whole different level. but yeah, socialist reeducation was "too cruel" and bad for people like that. sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if she had been feeding it (even indirectly by having a bird feeder attract creatures or she forgot to lock up her trash somewhere secure).
@capsulamental Exactly. If a man is alone in the woods with a woman and sees the chance to have his way with her and get away with it, he may just go for it. And unfortunately, we've seen time and time again, that that's happened far too many instances. Also, that man might see another man walking alone in the forest and the thought may never cross his mind, given the risk vs. 'reward' Meanwhile, a bear most likely can't tell the gender/sex of the human it encounters, so it wouldn't even take that into account if it decides to get hostile and aggressive vs said human (which it probably only perceives as merely another creature and nothing more)
Ok, but the fact that the men who would prefer a tree immediately jump at the idea that the woman has to be someone in their life, like a partner or a friend. Like, sir, I would absolutely pick my husband over a bear, why is the only time you can imagine you'd interact with a woman automatically one where you have a intimate relationship. These men do not fear women. These men don't even bother to consider that women exist in this world outside of their personal desire for female intimacy. And honestly, doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about how they view women even without them spouting misogynist bs.
@@punishedbnnuy seeing as how you've clearly missed the point, let me clear it up for you. The fear behind the man vs bear question stems from the fact that the man is randomized. Again, I would pick my husband over a bear any day. But would I pick the kind of men who can be found commenting under those discussions, wishing pain and bear attacks onto women because they feel snubbed, absolutely not. The man vs bear question has a simple premise, men can be scarier and definitely more unpredictable than a bear, so would you be willing to gamble your life away for the off-chance that you get a man who isn't like that. It's Potential Danger Vs. Potential Danger. Whereas the women vs trees question, when randomised becomes talk to someONE who doesn't care vs talk to someTHING that doesn't care. A random woman on the street, or a stabucks barista does not have motive to hurt you, because they don't even know you. You'll just be a stranger whose dog died and they feel kind bad for as they move on with their lives and forget all about your existence. Personally, I've had plenty of people stop me on the street and tell me about the most random life experiences that they've had because I "look, like a nice person/good listener". I've been recommended hospitals to give birth in because they have better service than Mercy General near the border of California and Oregon (And no, I do not live anywhere near the US) Do I hunt them down to ruin their lives and reputations once they've let their guard down and told me their greatest weakness? No, I don't even know their names and tracking them down seems like a whole lot of effort to go through for a total stranger. There is no more danger to you in talking about your feelings with a woman than with tree. But these men don't think so, because in their mind all women are obsessed with them, they can not in their tiny, little man-heads imagine that there might be a woman out there who would hear them out and just answer with "K, so anything else to go with your order or nah?". And the same goes for you, because how on earth do you jump from the idea that not all women are invested enough in your life to care about your family drama to domestic abuse. If you choose to talk out your feelings then please, go to a therapist instead of a tree. Just make sure to go to a male therapist. He won't use your secrets and weaknesses against you, like a female therapist would. He'll assault you physically instead and give you a reason to cry.
@@krokulridgestalker7007 I don't see my old comment anymore and don't even remember what I said. But first off I agree with your first paragraph that in the worst case scenario men are absolutely scarier, but with your second you're wrong that men think women are obsessed with them. Men think women HATE them and only want to date the chads: that's the incel logic. And we're already seeing the ramifications of this belief hence why 50% of young men don't approach women romantically at all anymore. And further onto the point of opening up to strangers. Seriously, women online say all the time to never approach them in various circumstances and men talk amongst themselves all the time about what can be perceived as "creepy" and usually come to the conclusion to not try at all. And by your own logic what's the point of opening up to a stranger if they don't care and dismissively say "K", it'd be no better than talking to a tree. At least if they were friends with the women they may have a reason to care, but that's why men made this women vs tree thing because they've been hurt by the women they trusted. (Even Kavernacle acknowledged this, but you cannot cause you lack the empathy evidently). Also therapy in the USA isn't free and is very expensive from what I hear. Overall you're very very wrong that men don't fear women, they do. Whether that fear is valid or not I don't care to discuss, just know that the "women-are-wonderful" effect (i.e. benevolent sexism) is a very real phenomenon and introspect on it.
@@punishedbnnuy so right off the bat, we're off to a real weak start here. The fact that you think the fact that 'men think women HATE them' goes any way whatsoever to disprove the fact that men think women are obsessed with them is just silly. Hate is a real strong emotion to be feeling towards someone who you couldn't give to shits about. Incel logic or not, that's the logic you seem to be using in your arguments so whatever that says about you, you figure out. Women don't care, and you refuse to comprehend and/or accept that fact. And as for the tree discussion. First off, You clearly need to watch the video again, because your justifications do not match the comments that are being made. And second, you're literally confirming exactly what I said. talking to a stranger would indeed be no better than talking to a tree, wouldn't be any worse either, because they're a stranger. In response to women being asked the question of: do you wanna die or do you wanna die and in the process hurting the fragile feelings of these men who know full well why women would be wary of a random man showing up in the middle of a forest, they ask themselves the question in return: risk hurty feelies, or emotional suppression. These men move the conversation away from being SA'd and murdered (not necessarily in that order) to 'my girlfriend broke up with me' in an effort to justify the hateful vitriol that they're spewing about how women are evil and deserve to be mauled by a bear. They do not fear women, at most they fear human connection and being hurt, but guess what, that's not a woman exclusive thing. It's a people thing. In the minds of these men however, they already know that men are scary and bad. They would never want to appear weak in front of other men by having feelings and emotions, therefore they classify talking about emotions as something they would only ever do with a woman and as such, being hurt because of opening up as something only a woman could do to them. In reality, they only feel this way because it's other men who they're actually afraid of, not women. In the end the idea of speaking to a woman about their feelings is still in their minds safer to them than speaking to another man, which is why they react with anger to having the supposedly safe option not respond to them in the manner that they want. These men themselves feel like they are the victims of men, so when women treat as they would any other man they get upset. They're not like the mean men who would bully you for being weak (aka being a woman) , in fact they're the ones being bullied, so how dare you treat them as potentially dangerous, they'll show you just how dangerous they can be. This is where we get to the whole 'women are not your therapists' conversation, but honestly you're about as capable of introspection as a tree yourself, so imma just leave it at that. And yes, therapy isn't exactly easily available anywhere in the world, but just remember to keep my advice in mind for when you can afford it. Male therapists.
You think the Perfect Dark thing is gross. Look into whats being said about the Silent Hill 2 remake's Angela. In one shot, she looks a little chubby. And these creeps are losing their minds screaming "woke". The thing is SH 2 is a very dark game that deals with a lot of really dark topics. And Angela entire story is that she was regularly sexually abused by her father and brothers. And when we meet her shes 19 and implied to have killed them. Shes found herself in Silent Hill and is openly debating su*cide. And this is the character that people are mad that isnt sexualized. Now I'm on the record for hating the SH2 remake. It feels like a nakedly cooperate attempt to repackage and sell a game that is largely considered a main point in the "games are art" debate. And this remake looks like capitalistic wankery. But being mad you cant fantasize about a 19 year old SA surivior is next level gross.
"the sheer disrespect to a classic franchise!" I think you need more than two games to call it a franchise. Also, they should redirect that energy towards whoever made only two.
A reasonable gamer would be concerned about the frame rate issues we have been seeing... How silent hill games as of late have been pretty mid... How the corpo day one dlc crap is cringe... Nah lol. Instead the crappiest of gamers are raging about what a lady looks like, yet again... Gamer gaters lol.
@@PhoenixFireZerooh hang on you're talking about Perfect Dark? honestly there's only really one game and a remake for the original xbox? nope it was for the 360. but yeah not a series lol
@@sprig5173 So from what I gather, all men should stop being around women altogether. Leave them to their own devices and refuse to give them goods and services!
My brother, a 34 year old man is the same man that raised me, used my sexual past against me when I called him a hypocrite on our overnight rules that he would enforce. Men love hitting below the belt too. 😒 Edit: I was 23 and was dating my 2nd boyfriend at the time.
Like why are they like this, they want women to be "pure" but also want to be wild themselves who are they wild with because there is no way they do it with eachother because some of them have never heard was washing their buttcheaks
I have a coworker who it stopped being friends with who does the "waits until you are in an argument to weaponize something you are emotionally vulnerable about". I had deliberately asked him to tell me, an Autistic person, if something i did bothered him (in particular he had some trauma and i didn't want to trigger him) but he didn't do so because I "would always get really upset with him". The thing is he always waited until we had a disagreement to bring that stuff up.
Men don't feel safe talking about their feelings with women? One of the sweetest memories of my childhood is a couple of girls cheering me up after some bullies brought me to tears in the school yard
Fr. Was a fighter growing up and ended up friending some dude who was being bullied after kicking their asses. From what I’ve seen it’s usually other women like me that step in for bullying. Shit ain’t cool.
now try it as a grown man. it doesn't work 90% of the time once you leave the playground. you are expected to have grown into a self capable man now, no freebies.
@@magnarcreed3801 This whole comment section is women giving men shit for expressing their feelings to them, or as they call it, "trauma dumping" so wtf are _ya_ on?
Bro most of us here are Americans, can you imagine if we had to apologize for every shitty American? I'd literally never be able to leave my computer again. Sucks when you're an underrepresented group and then you get stuck being represented by an asshat though :/
yeup, i noticed how every reason they gave for why they wouldnt tell their feeling to a women are rooted in literally "wife bad" jokes. like the whole "shell remember something for years then bring it up against you" i have never seen that happen outside of tv shows and one strip boomer comics.
@@lynns4426 yes of course 'facebook boomer humor' is sort of its own distinct lame subgenre of humor (usually featuring attempts at shaming younger people for using cellphones, often featuring the Minions from despicable me for some reason) There's a pretty famous one that's just a cartoon of a kid like "grandpa how do I click book" and the kid's just struggling like hell to use a hardcover book as an ipad
keep in mind the bear vs men is not simply the likelihood of an attack. I have never hear a story in which a woman had to sit in a court room, getting traumatised all over for weeks, being dragged trough the mud, ask was she was wear, or suggested that she wanted it, because she looked at a bear at a zoo before, because of a bear. I have never hear of a woman who decided not speak about a bear attack, that ended with the bear attacking someone else later, and the woman had to live with the guilt and the question, would this have happend if would have said something? I have never hear people say, that the bear would have never attacked the woman, because she was to ugly or that she would just want to ruin the bears live. Bears don't lock women into basements, nor do they follow them for years and years.
It does feel like that sometimes though, and emotions don't respect rational argument. It doesn't matter that academically I know it's not true, I'm still seeing people 'ironically' say stuff like "god, imagine being in a straight relationship, what a nightmare" and it makes me feel like a lesser class of person. I'm still seeing people say "Yes, men's mental health matters BUT-" and then whatever they say after that doesn't matter, because that 'but' has instantly invalidated the first half of the sentence. And yes, I blame the incels and bigots for this state of affairs because it is their doing, but that doesn't fix the problem. I still feel like I have to walk on eggshells and never admit to any feelings of frustration or loneliness, because I'm just going to get dogpiled with all the reasons I shouldn't be complaining. Serious question: at what point am I allowed to feel shitty about people casually lumping me in with the Tates and Cheongs of the world? At what point am I allowed to say "this is too much for me to handle" without people saying "well you're not literally being murdered so shut up and wait your turn," knowing full well that turn will be long after I die of old age?
@@ecyor0 You deserve to be heard by your friends when you need to talk about your life and feelings. Everybody does. I've never subscribed to the idea that because "worse things happen" you don't deserve to feel hurt by your own life experiences. It's incredibly unhealthy to only ever have your feelings invalidated by the people around you, and possibly yourself, because of this thinking. It's only when you're having broader conversations with people about society or if you try to conflate your experience with someone else's even though there are differences in how society treats that person due to forms of oppression and marginalisation that you don't experience, that someone can point that out. But as someone who is part of multiple marginalised groups, it's clear to me that there's also a way in which people who experience things like sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia, ableism etc can feel very defensive when people that don't experience those things are speaking about their own struggles in these big conversations. And that defensiveness (from, as you said, "the bigots" and the way they have treated these people) can lead them to see what you're saying differently to how it is actually intended, and you may get less understanding from them than you truly deserve. Unfortunately, there isn't an easy fix to this issue. As long as there are these awful people doing damage, people are going to be scarred by those experiences. Personally I'd like to think that I try to avoid letting people feel invalidated in that way (but I can still get worked up about things pretty quickly despite these efforts unfortunately), and I believe I'm quite good with my best friend at not making her feel like her troubles are nothing by reassuring her when she feels awkward complaining to me- knowing my experience with disability - that she's allowed to feel what she feels and that I don't think badly of her at all for struggling with her own life; I just want to help if I can or just listen if I can't. And when I need to call her she also picks up and I can have a rant when I'm overwhelmed without judgement. So I really hope you have at least one person that you can rant to when you need to. And if not, you need to find that person for yourself somehow. Because everyone needs a good rant to a non-judgmental ear from time to time. Ditch friends who never show you compassion when you're truly just speaking on a personal level about your life to them.
@@ecyor0serious answer: it's no one's obligation to separate you from the Tates and the Cheongs of the world. If you wish to be seen separately from them, you're going to have to put in the effort to make yourself separate.
@@kezia8027 Feminism is supposed to raise women up to be equal to men, not drag men down so everyone has the same problems, that just fucks over everyone
The "we're failing them" argument is so frustrating. What are we supposed to do, alienate actually marginalized groups to pacify the egos of conservative men in the hopes of someone persuading them to be slightly less awful?
Exactly. It's like seeing a bunch of neighborhood boys make a "no girls allowed" club, and then complain that the girls failed to make an inclusive environment for the boys in their life. They weren't pushed away, they isolated themselves. And getting them to stop isn't a question of inviting them, it's more like cult deprograming them. Because you could make the most appealing place in the world, to try and draw them out, but that doesn't matter for much if they go right back to their no girls allowed ways soon as you're done putting all this effort into entertaining them for the day.
Single women are literally telling men what they need to do to be dateable... Which is the bare minimum; Don't be shitty to women, be emotionally available, let women have rights. Hell, from what I've seen, a lot women don't even need the guys to have jobs.
No but maybe we could validate their feelings and accept that patriarchy hurts everyone not just women or nonbinary people. Parents i.e. men and women teach their boys to toughn up, don't allow the expression of any emotion except anger, and teach them that the women in their life are responsible for their well being in every aspect but safety and providing. We should support the policy changes men are fighting for that help dismantle patriarchy for instance normalizing mental health care for men.
I want to point out that the one dude telling a woman he feels lonely and can't solve it himself? Probably looking for a date. I've had guys do this, then get mad when I am still not interested even though they told me they are lonely. Emotional vulnerability is important. Using it as a weapon will get you shut down by a lot of the people you are trying to manipulate.
The thing is that the same guys who complain they are lonely STILL are so programmed to dismiss anything a woman says that they don't listen to the women who actually take the time to empathize with them. I've had this happen multiple times. Some guy who is pretty toxic opens up to me out of the blue about being sad or lonely. Respecting the fact they felt safe enough to be vulnerable with me (even though I didn't particularly like these guys), I'd offer some advice that might help them. And they just immediately dismiss what I'm saying.
I am yet to see a guy complaining to me about being oh so lonely and depressed who doesn't want to fk . My friends reach out to me when they're lonely and they sound very different than those guys .
@@PhoenixFireZero They used to be very careful to use qualifiers, promising they weren't actual bigots ( "I'm not against lgbtq people, but..."), and now they don't bother. Anyway, they've handed their masks to the liberals, who are now as quietly bigoted as the conservatives used to be. EDIT: That said, it's probably more about them no longer feeling scared to be outwardly bigoted than them suddenly being honest. But really, I prefer them not having to hide their true feelings, because the liberals' method of getting everybody to be polite instead of actually tackling systemic issues is a waste of time.
It's not just this issue where conservatives forego 'personal responsibilty'. Remember, it's your fault you're unemployed unless you can blame it on migrants.
It's not even an assertion of "but most men dont" it's "but not all men" meaning you could literally have 99.99% percent of the world's male population being monstrous threats to women around them.
same goes for women. false accusations and selfish divorces are devastating, and no one can read minds to find out if you can truly trust the other. which is why this sexism is nonsense, just treat people as people, as long as they do the same.
I don't think there's ever been such a simple and clear example of male privilege than the man or bear question. Men's response to it should be, "Wow, women would rather take their chances with a wild bear than a man they don't know? That's not the choice I would make," and then maybe realize that _that's exactly what male privilege is._ You've never _had_ to think that way. Women do. All the time.
Pretty poor example of male privilege since men are in fact much more likely to be the victims of a random act of violence than women, and less likely to be assisted when they are.
My response to man or bear to men who don't get it is a change to the scenario for men. Man or bear? But there is a 1 in 20 chance that the man is a gay, criminally violent, segs assaulter who is 30% bigger, stronger and faster than you. So bear or a 5% chance of someone who can and would mess you up in multiple ways. Men aren't understanding that _that_ is the question women are answering. (And no hate against gay men. It's just how you have to frame the question for cishet guys to make it equivalent to what women are experiencing.)
@@CorwinFound Men get it. We just resent you for it. Changing the scenario doesn't help because the message is still there; men bad. The heck is cishet? We're just men.
I got some. Grew up with em so they are like brothers to me. Shame that they turned out to be dumb azzes lol. I don't hang with em much these days. And I find myself calling them stupid to their faces a lot. They know I'm much smarter than them so they never push back. At least they are smart enough to not get further verbally destroyed than that lolz. But not smart enough to stop watching fox news. So I treat them like the morons they are, despite our history lolz.
A therapist is supposed to tell you when you’re wrong sometimes….thats the whole fucking point of a therapist….”I was hurt because I wasn’t 100% affirmed in all of my shitty behavior”
To be honest, no therapist ever told me I was wrong about a behavior. (The only thing when they told me, I was wrong, was for saying I did something wrong.) Sometimes, it even felt they wanted me to lose my conscience completely. That was exactly the reason why I hated therapy in the end. In literally every case, my therapist told me, what I did was the right thing. Even if I did the exact opposite of what he before told me was the right thing. Exactly because I never got told something I did was wrong, is one of the strongest reasons why I felt no therapist took me serious at all. (And in fact. I wanted to go to therapy to finally getting honestly told what I did wrong in my life.) After more than 6 years of that kind of therapy, I developed a disdain for therapy to be honest.
@@SSJKamuidamn where do you live that you can have a therapist that says shit like that? See psychiatric therapists are the real deal I've been called out by mine before about things but god that specific occupation is dying out right now. It requires a lot of work to get the psychiatry degrees compared to just becoming a therapist.
When men are told they're allowed to be vulnerable, I think what they understand is we have to agree with everything they say. In general, it's better to let men figure out their own sh!t. Sometimes people open up bcz they want to unburden themselves, not bcz they need advice. A lot of women want to fix things bcz that's what empathetic people do, they want to pull you out of your pain. Women need to cut back on the empathy substantially, mostly to save themselves from disappointment and being drained of their life force. Men don't and have never appreciated our empathic side, while that has been the basis for many relationships, a feeling of belonging, an anchoring force in an otherwise uncertain and merciless world of men. Most men have dismissed it as "too emotional" and "dramatic", while blaming women for being cruel and "purposely" imposing a male loneliness epidemic. They crumble when women lack empathy for them or appear to lack it but at the same time this is one thing they openly disrespect.
@@Lucky_DaggerSo I should get a therapist who keeps saying "Its your fault" and I just should chastize myself for the rest of my life and change, since everything other people (99 % men) have done to me, is my fault?
A therapist probably will not use the word wrong. And they will very likely not tell you that something is so and so. They will help you towards the realisation that behaviour and coping mechanism are not helpful (anymore). SSJKamui is quite right in their post.
a lot of men fail at this. From my experience,a lot of men who would vent to be were expecting me to sleepnwith them,be their free therapist,and also mistreat women
My question to these men saying women have always emotionally manipulated them is did she manipulate you or did she just not tell you what you wanted to hear? Were you expecting comfort but instead got a call to accountability? Did she verbally hurt you, or did she just tell you no? Need to address that 1st and foremost.
I bet my life savings that she didn't tell them what they wanted to hear,because that's my life experience. I was sympathetic to all my ex boyfriends only for them to cheat on me,then try to claim I was the toxic one after they ghosted me. I'm believing men less and less about being cheated on or manipulated,but they sure as hell won't self reflect
On topic of therapists. I as a man never thought therapy was bad. I fought for finally being able to go to therapy, despite problems with insurances.. After Therapy, to be honest, I am scared of psychiartry. In therapy, my problems got completely ignored and instead, I was gaslit to be compliant with a "job training" forced on me by a german authority because I am autistic. (Despite being treated like shit in that training.) I despise the current mainstream CBT model. Ironically I am interested in ideas promoted by the left in the past, like Wilhelm Reichian Therapy, Gestalt Therapy, Deleuze and Guattari etc. And that sounds a lot better than this CBT crap. I also now strongly suspect that most people sending me to therapy did not want to help me at all. Once, I even had a discussion, where a person told me "The fact that you had CBT for 6 years and it did not work at all, is a proof that you need CBT, and that CBT is the ideal therapy for you". Seriously, WTF. Why does a therapy not working on me for 6 years make that mode of therapy the ideal mode for therapy for me?? Weird logic from that person.
To be honest, I would rather go to therapy than talk to a tree but therapy costs money. Besides, I know exactly the type of conversation I’m gonna have in therapy but the problem is I’m in life where therapy can’t fix me because think of this way, You’re a woman who gets abused everyday by your husband who calls you ugly, worthless, child, etc right. No amount of therapy, makeup, and calling yourself “I am beautiful” will fix you if your husband continues that treatment, if she doesn’t have anywhere else to go, if she ain’t got money to spend a night. Yes she can divorce but again, this is one of those situation where she got no one else, no support, no money to even hire a lawyer for herself. I’m kinda on a same boat but the only diff is I can’t abandon my family, 8 barely have a job (pays quarterly), d9nt have a car, and apartments/housings are insanely expensive. So living 8n California won’t help at all.
@@blackgold754 I agree with you. (And on topic of money.. This is the way in many countries, certain modes of therapy get pushed while others are discouraged. In past, there were many left wingers calling CBT a form of neoliberal ideology. But this is massively supported by insurance companies. While insurance companies do not support traditionally more left wing therapists like Gestalt Therapy. The irony is, many parts of the left jumped on that bandwagon now and push CBT because insurances like CBT that much.. Instead of supporting more left wing modes of therapy.)
Weird how lefties are always the first to decry the brokenness and expensiveness of health care services in the USA but suddenly when it comes to therapy, it's just something that falls out of the sky or something
It's all a matter of perspective. Some people may be better able to handle physical hurt than emotional hurt. It's not advantageous or wise for men to share their deepest anxiety and fear. You can establish healthy relationship with women on the basis of other ground.
European here and i have a fear and hate of ticks you can not believe. Like in THAT case MAYBE i'll chose the man. ... i guess that'll depend on the quantities of ticks because they are a pain to get out but like i still don't wanna risk SA or Murder. If i have dogs with me i choose man over ticks i lost dogs to ticks and it seemed an awfull way to die for them.
I think the would you rather, actually proves women's point. They are worried about being physically harmed or k illed, as the worst thing. Whereas the guys are talking about having hurt feelings from someone mocking your insecurities, not nice but the contrast is palpable
The bear vs man discourse was hilarious!! As a respond to us saying we’d feel safer with a bear in the woods they proceed to to make 8,990,537 lives, TikToks & think pieces mocking our choice cuz “Stupid beeches! How dare you feel unsafe with me!!!”; and wishing physical harm on us. They tried to explain how illogical we were being, and ended up proving the point 10X over 😂😂😂😂
@@Furry-iousNews 💯 Any man pissed about the bear is an immediate red flag. As soon as I told my husband about the debate his only response was “Yeah, if I was a woman I’d pick the bear too”
Imagine thinking 'wokeness' was going to destroy video games and not the capitalistic need to extract more money every year whilst crushing creativity for an ever increasing profit margin that's impossible to maintain.
@@somik-i3x I honestly think you're right, just make some sock accounts online to criticize it and say they woke mob are trying to cancel true video games.
the man who got told to talk to a therapist when he talked about his feelings to a woman, should probably have found a therapist to talk to like the woman suggested. Like it might not have been the response he wanted to hear, but it was good advice
There is a guy in my office who has been going through some marriage problems. He's try talking to both men and women in the office about it and most people will stand there politely for a while, but after that they will see him in the hallway and do anything to evade him. I've never seen him show any interest in the life of any coworker, man or woman, other than to give the polite "how are you" and then bulldoze past any answer that they give. A lot of men who want a free therapist have also tried this with men but they accept it when men evade them for this purpose. It is women who they think should provide a free service to a non-friend. They don't learn from the men in the office who have built symbiotic relationships. They won't truly be able to "go their own way" until they start to care about each other as a collective. We didn't make them treat each other badly.
@@Flyingthunder1 For real. These asinine "free therapy" comments are either people bitter that they're paying for the privilege of talking to someone and want to inflict that on others, or people who deep down have bought into the very "patriarchal" value they lambaste, the idea that men need to just suck it up. Self-awareness of a radish, lol.
You can say that for most people with strongly held political convictions. They resent and generalize women for their own pecuilar reasons and you resent and generalize men for your own reason. You all have your own agendas. Most men are naturally inclined to be conservative or traditionalist for lack of better terms, which are diametrically opposed to the worldviews espoused by feminism or liberalism
@@heruy8274 as a feminist, i don't generalise men for my own petty reasons, i realise that the first wave of feminism was succesful only because a handful of men in powerful positions said "hey, the suffragettes are actually right, i want my own daugter to have a better future and more say in her own life so i support them" and went around fighting with conservative men over it. If all men were bad they would just execute all the suffragettes and get rid of feminists. I absolutely love and adore leftist men, what feminist women started could only succeed with the help of humane, empathetic men. I generalise conservative men though because they have always been objectively bad all around, even the ones that had better economic policies. It's not feelings, these are harsh facts.
While not the same in terms of physical violence but does play in the socialization of violence in men, these same men are saying we would never survive a cod lobby, but that also they’re safe to be around. It doesn’t make sense.
Men’s complaints about women being dismissive or using men’s feelings against them is not gender exclusive. Most women could say the same thing about their male partners. You get what you give. I guarantee these men are not receptive to their female partners.
But men aren't saying women need to "express their feelings more". One wants to express the others feelings more, and also not take it seriously and humiliate them at the same time? Was that the goal all along for men to "express their feelings more"?
Sorry your ex (who was probably older than you) sucked and that y// have to punish all men now for it, but women are way better at emotional violence and wield it pretty universally. Even an average and "healthy" heterosexual relationship is often the case.
This. While women are more like to be unalived by known men in their homes. Men are more likely to be unalived by strange men on the streets. Although women are more likely to be taken off this earth by known men, it doesn’t mean a strange man is any safer.
Because men know that generalizing men would also bite them in the ass. They can empathize as much with being a suspect of perpetrating violence, or being assumed to be dangerous, as they can with being a victim of male violence (notice I said "suspect," not necessarily perpetrator). In fact, the latter would probably cause them to resent the former if it gets them in the way of getting help. The fact that y'all can't see this is just strange.
Well, the Tree vs. Woman argument is a strawman. In the Bear vs. Man, BOTH have the potential to do great bodily harm, and death. In the Tree vs. Woman, ONLY the woman has the potential to harm men emotionally. To make the argument of Woman vs. ? be valid, it would be Woman vs. Man. Which one would hurt a man more? Edit for grammar.
That's not a strawman though, it doesn't refute anything, let alone a completely different argument (which is the point of a strawman argument) than the one made by the "bear vs man" question. It's simply whataboutism (which ironically people misuses a lot) because it simply use a counter-accusation as a response to the "bear vs man" question rather than engage with it.
The man or bear / woman or tree situation just takes me back to something I heard ages ago; I think it was part of a stand-up routine, and I'm sorry I can't remember who it was, because it really stuck with me - in dating, men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.
@@davidosullivan9817 no most bears if they aren't aggravated or near their bear cubs (if a mother bear) then you will be left alone. If you see a bear coming towards you then get big and loud and they will leave you alone. Men can help you but there are more things a man can choose to do other than help or not help. A bear will leave or kill you if provoked, most woman choose the bear as it is overall safer.
The idea that those men wouldn't use what they learn about women against women is ludicrous. I had an ex who emotionally manipulated me so badly i thought i had depression and went on medication and saw a therapist. He told his family i was mentally unstable. Turned out when i finally left my "depression" went away. Also women are not on this earth to be men's therapists and to be a cure to mens mental health.
There are so many reasons why this comparison doesn't work. With all the men complaining about women using their feelings against them, I have to wonder exactly what they look for in a partner that would steer so many of them towards the same supposed "type". We've seen a whole wave of cishet young men SPECIFICALLY seek out "anti-feminist" women because they think there is something inherently sub-human about "wokeness". Am I the only one who finds Poetic Justice in their complete inability to then go on and use those women for the emotional labor they claim makes other women less worthy? Also, let's expand on the thought. Why don't men share their feelings with each other? Why do they need a woman to share their feelings with? The bear situation is literally just about who you'd rather be alone with, the scenario isn't "Who would you rather sit and have tea with?" It's literally "Who would you expect to leave you the fuck alone?" lmfao I'll answer my own questions: Men don't share their feelings with each other because THEY *ALSO* USE FEELINGS AGAINST EACH OTHER. (Edit: First I put "When it becomes most convenient" but tbh they don't even need to wait that long before they start making fun of each other for daring to feel things lol)
Men's rights movements, much like white power movements, almost always fail and descend into hate groups, because men's primary antagonists are *other men*. For people already at the top of a social hierarchy, trying to organize for greater rights based on demographic like that generally results in just teaming up bullies with their victims, then isolating them from anyone who can intervene. Which is why when you're at the top, you need to organize based on politics, class, and intersectionality. Men gotta be human rights advocates, leftists, and feminists rather than mra's
@flynner_26 I'm 100% confident of two things: 1. You're a cisgender man. 2. You did not read a word of what I wrote. Cis men need to LEARN empathy. They get plenty of it already.
i remember hanging out with a bunch of my friends and one guy broke down bc some serious shit had been happening at home, and everyone else was SO fucking awkward and mean. like straight up telling him to stop ruining the vibes and unable to make eye contact bc they couldnt handle any amount of vulnerability. it was super sad and i got into it with all of them after about being better friends. they either mumbled some shit about "it wasnt the right time" or fully said "he shouldnt be doing that, that shit is for his gf not us".
@@Saibellus I mean I don't really know that situation, but anecdotal stories of individual men being emotional doesn't change the fact that, by and large, cis men are the people who see emotions as a weakness. Adding to that, in my experience a LOT of cis men tend to keep things bottled up inside until that exact situation: where it's legitimately inappropriate to use your friends as free emotional labor. Like...that's the entire crux of this issue. Cis men do NOT know how to deal with their emotions in productive ways. They do absolutely everything they can to avoid doing things that will actually help them like seeking therapy or going on anti-depressants, because they consider those things to be signs of weakness. TLDR: The only moral to that story I'm hearing is that your friend needed therapy and instead chose to try and rally his friends "to his side" (presumably at the expense of his girlfriend) so he could feel better about the situation and avoid legitimate means of conflict resolution.
Holdup care? Have they ever pretended to actually care? Sure normally they don't come right out and say it but pretending to care would be a whole different level from at best dismissing women and their issues out of hand or claiming they are being hysterical.
notice how all the men using the tragic death of that lady by the bear as a gotcha immediately believed the story without demanding proof or needing to hear the bear's side of the story first?
Yep being a dude, I've only ever had my life threatened by other dudes. They're almost always the mouthy ones yelling dumb chit out the windows of cars, trying to pick fights at clubs, throwing mcdonalds garbage through the open window of my car at the drive-thru and punching me, or making fun of any aspect of my appearance they can. The wrong clothes, being too skinny or just being by yourself is enough to trigger any one of them. It's a guy almost every time.
"the mouthy ones yelling dumb chit out the windows of cars" Ha! I knew that men who "hit on" (read: sexually harass) me from their moving car in a situation when I couldn't possibly have given them my number or got in their car to spread my legs were just out to bother me.
My response to men picking the tree over the woman: okay 🤷 That's the difference. I don't care, do what you want. I'm not picking you, you think I'll be offended that you won't pick me? Get over yourselves.
They had to switch to trees due to no women talking to them they pick trees because women won't sit through their foolishness. So yeah, their argument is so off topic from bear vs man. One woman are avoiding men because men are dangerously trying to get close with them. These men talking to trees were the trees their first choice likely not they seek tree over women because to many women clearly told them no leave me alone so they got the hint went to the tree first this time around after so many rejections
@@07Flash11MRC Well, if people choose the woman, that runs counter to their accusations that all women are conniving manipulators who can't be trusted with any sort of emotionally important information. Or at least it runs counter to the implied "and men are better about that stuff".
I am a 6 foot tall manly man who is very familiar with the wilderness, and I know from experience that men are far more dangerous than bears. Where I live, there are no brown bears, and most black bears will go away if you speak sternly to them.
Con men not understanding the Man vs Bear thing. We chose the bear because we are scared of the violence men will inflict on us. Men chose the tree because they don't want to be laughed at. Reminds me of the quote "men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them." And yes, the bear could kill us, but they wouldn't do it for fun, like a man might do...
Bunch of bullshit..women are not killed in million by man...if you generalise people then violence start to increase not decrease....this tribalism between gender will be the downfall of western countries
The gaming character gripes is the most ridiculous part of this as an old school gamer where character's "faces" used to be like 10 individual pixels. They really need to interact with real people and not just cartoons and... Trees... Apparently???
I remember playing MGS 1 ten years ago (so way after the game was release) and 0 character got any facial feature. We should give those games to the "gamer" so they can have a reality check.
@@LessettFoster479 Excellent point. Men are more likely to redrum you in the woods, but bears still rule when it comes to making off with your pickinick basket.
“I tried sharing my emotions with women, the last time I shared with a woman she said ‘ I’m not your therapist. Go get help’ “ So let me get this straight, when you went to a woman she gave you good and practical advice to help you with your problems? Wow, how terrible for you 🙄
I can count on one hand with many fingers left over the number of times I've heard someone tell a man to get help in good faith. It is nearly always intended as an insult.
I've never told anyone I'm not your therapist. When someone wants to talk about something, I listen. Stranger or friend, man or woman. I like listening and people fascinate me. And yes, my daughter does tell me I'll meet a serial killer one day.
This man/bear vs. woman/tree juxtaposition kind of brings to mind this saying: "The worst fear of a man is a woman laughing at him. The worst fear of a woman is a man killing her."
So I have told this story a few times, but I recently started dating someone. First, I got a second date with her by talking to her like a human being, being interested in her as a person, and respecting her boundaries on the first one. Then, on our second one, I decided to just use my words and ask if I could kiss her, and she said yes, and was then much more into it than I was expecting. This happened shortly before she went on vacation out of the country for a couple of weeks, but we have made plans for a third date next weekend. If this radical new hypothesis that women like it when you listen to them and ask for consent before you touch them stands up to further scrutiny, we men may have a real game changer on our hands!
Aboutthe man or bear thing... all those guys seem to somehow forget that claiming its not all men is correct and we all aknowledge it but also not all bears despite them somehow wanting to make it into not all men but all bears are always aggressive for no reason
See a bear in the woods, what's the bear doing? Oh it's being a bear. See a man in the woods, what's the man doing? Oh, I don't know but he's smiling at me.. I know which one I'd rather pick.
@@redhandtheblack Absolutely! Especially for having grown up near a woods and semi routinely crossing bears with no issues haha The most the best has reacted was the momma with cubs, stood up as a warning so went the other way and that's that
Do you want to know what's hypocritical about the women and tree thing. With all their talk about the need for wanting to express their feelings and get support, these men are the ones who would turn around and disregard women's feelings for finding the same source of emotional support. In their mind, what these people want is an ear to hear them out, but then ignore when the mouth connected to it speaks. It's even crazier given how these same guys subscribe to the model of stoicism and stockpiling their emotions or expression, along with finding men who buck the trend of "classical masculine roles" (i.e., gay people or transwomen, in their view) to be worthy of scorn.
YEP!! Everytime! They want to shut us down and throw a hissy fit because we want to talk about how we feel,then they try to abandon us,but yeah they SOOO definitely deserve to be listened to! SMFH
I remember when I first heard about this bear/man choice and how many women chose the bear. And I just thought,"yeah, I totally get it." It was only afterward that I heard there were a lot of men who *didn't* get it. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was. It's embarrassing, as a man, to come to terms with the fact that so many men are utterly clueless
For what its worth as a man my answer would also be a bear regardless of the human's gender. Now I understand that my reason for that answer differs from the woman's quite a bit. I also understand what lesson the initial question is intended to teach men about woman. I didn't get upset when reading this question. At no point did I feel the need to defend men after hearing the answer. Its a good question and one that might open people's eyes to things.
I find odd that these guys who are "Not all Men" are saying that all women try and bring you down and h ate you and specifically implicate all women. In the bear vs man women were playing it safe. In Tree vs women these guys despise women or are lost teenagers too afraid of women and have been brought down this horrible path.
They've always been this way. In the past they just had an easier time claiming women for themselves because of the legal lack of autonomy. So back then you just heard endless complaints about b*tch wives and the whores/witches that refused husbands. Nowadays, the same type of guys have a much harder time either keeping a wife or getting one in the first place, so now they just have all women are whores.
I'm so glad they're choosing the tree. My whole life I've had random men wanting to talk to me about their feelings, guys I barely know telling me personal stuff that I'm not qualified to deal with. That girl was right to tell him she's not his therapist. It's so not our jobs. We have our own stuff, our own families, boyfriends, whatever. Just because these guys have no one to talk to, it doesn't make it some random woman's responsibility to listen.
I think that it's very strange and pathetic for men to share their innermost feelings to random women they meet. I figure they must not have someone to talk to and reveal their feelings to women thinking to themselves that since women are more nurturing compared to men, they must be more willing to listen to their complaint. I would symphatize with them if I didn't find them to be so embarassingly pathetic.
"For conservatives men, women are private property, and for liberal men, women are public property!!!" Its from a book I don't remember the title. Anyhow, ladies, if you know, you know!!
Next step for conservative men: aggressively dating other conservative men
Gross 😅
Would serve them right.
They will get all annoyed at the emotions and they will run out of tp and no one will know how to change the roll. LOL!
Their dinners will consist of nuggies and pepsi lmao
They already do this, it’s just behind the scenes.
The 'tree vs woman' response to 'bear vs man' is the perfect representation of Margaret Atwood's quote: Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.
Yeah when i saw that i didn't care about it, like oooooh no some random men i don't know would rather talk to a tree than me that sounds so.......nice he won't bother me then
I JUST MADE THIS EXACT COMMENT and then deleted it when I saw you beat me to it lmaooooo
Poor trees. They can't get away
Exactly
We already get laughed at and ignored all the time. Doctors think we make up our pain. No choice needed there we have to deal with it no matter what the men just can't handle it for one second.
I love how the argument is that women will use your emotions agaisnt you or badmouth you to their friends.
Because men NEVER do that
“You see, it’s totally fine for higher status men to bully lower status men because that’s how the lower status men are whipped into shape. But because women are inherently inferior to men, they have no right to do so.” - these sexist assholes.
Revenge porn laws prove men will use your most intimate moments against you in a break up too, it’s just different types of vulnerability and intimacy.
Revenge "popcorn" is no different than "grape"
Revenge porn and "sHeSs CrAzY"
nonsense. men diss their girlfriends and wives all the time.
They hate us, but can't go their own way and leave us alone.
The control and cruelty are the point.
They think themselves entitled to owning women as property, and they hate everything that reminds them how evil that entitlement to the ownership of slaves is.
No they still need to use our bodies- to make themselves feel like men. They want to be able to degrade and dehumanize us, & show off to other men why we are disposable.
Right
Are these men just sharing emotions with women, or are they trying to make women solve their emotional problems? Are they wanting women to be their counselors? That's a little different than simply acting like a human with feelings
"No straight man should be this gay for women" was stated unironically
They mean gay in the sense of feminine
@@OpaloAzul being with another man is the most manly thing on Earth then.
@@higurashikai09
Yes. Did you haven't heard ancient greek talking?
@@OpaloAzul ancient greek, famous for how straight they were.
@@OpaloAzul And that’s stupid asf, to anyone worth braincells.
2 years ago, I was at a coffee shop and I heard a 90-year-old tell another 90-something dude that women and under-30-y/o people shouldn’t vote. There was a young woman there who overheard it and blasted them for it. It was insane to hear that in person, much less online.
Like at 90 what do they care? I wouldn't even care if I was in my 70s.
If anybody shouldn't vote then it's those 90 olds because all their decisions are for short term benefits with terrible long term consequences. They don't care what will happen tomorrow, they will be gone by then, many of them don't even care what will happen with their children and grandchildren. If they have their say they will push everybody in debt so they can have their couple years of feast and leave bill for younger generations to pay. Many of old peoples vote based on looks, "he have such nice haircut and he is always neatly dressed, must be good person!" that's how old peoples thinks.
These guy don’t want people who don’t agree with them to vote and the younger the people the less likely they agreed to their conservatives view point that their generation agreed too also they don’t want women to have a say in anything
Yeah, a lot of things that were dismissed years ago as fringe internet crap is crossing over into the Overton window of acceptable political ideas and gaining traction. I worry that most liberal and centrist people won’t be ready to have to defend their own rights once the time comes because they’ve been too busy calling everyone dramatic feminazis for the past 20 years. 😬
Wonder how they would have reacted if someone told them that retirement aged people shouldn't vote?
they're literally saying "men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them" but acting like the men are more justifiably afraid with the tree scenario. Self-awareness has left the building...
The tree scenario was idiotic to begin with, a tree won't hurt you (unless it falls on you) a bear can maul you. There are far better ways to put it.
The tree scenario is fine. Talking to a tree might definitely help you vent some feelings that maybe you don't feel comfortable sharing with a real person (or if you feel your need to share is becoming overburdensome to your friends...)
But it's simply not a comparison with the bear vs man choice.
@@SuprousOxide The tree one is idiotic specifically because you cannot ascertain any useful information about it. ANYONE, man or woman could talk to a tree.
In fact the tree option is even WORSE because no man or woman would be unwilling, or unsurprising, to choose a fuckin' tree.
The bear is actually surprising (even if stupid).
I'm still waiting to come across a self-aware conservative.
And they say women are more emotional.
Those guys really said:
I would prefer a tree because women hurt my feelings and used them against me
Whereas women were saying:
I prefer a bear because I won’t get r$ped and/or killed.
WOW
Literal embodiment of the phrase “men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them".
Lol...men never report domestic abuse and 70% experience physical violence against men but it is not threatening bcoz they are stronger then women....women are not saint either....if you want to end violence people need to speak with compassion instead of spreading hatred
You modern people forget that Men used to be expected to be fearless hunters and warriors. There are many things a traditional Man fears more than being killed. Both Roman Soldiers and Japanese Samurai preferred death to humiliation. As did Native American Warriors/Hunters of the Great Plains, like the Sioux.
@@jonathancummings3807
And thanks to the patriarchy and toxic masculinity
@SammyRobinson62232 Nope. It wasn't "toxic" when it was necessary for the tribe as a whole to survive. "Toxic Masculinity", modern people, especially men are simply incredibly weak and and fragile of mind and body compared to their ancestors.
These dudes need to understand the concept of "trauma dumping."
There is a big difference between having a healthy habit of sharing your emotions with those close to you vs letting it all build up and dumping it all on one person expecting them to fix it somehow.
This confusion doesn't come as much of a surprise; even acknowledging mental health as a thing that might require maintenance by a professional is seen as weakness.
A lot of them can't confront their own insecurities being just that. Insecurities, and they act like they're afraid of actually being aware of it.
@DeLaSoul246 I'm going to guess none of them have been in therapy either.
I used to have an anxiety attack every weekday at the same time, because it was around the time my partner would get home and dump his negativity all over me. No care about what I had done that day, no worries about my feelings, just an avalanche of crap. And when I told him he had to stop and started avoiding him, he told me I was mean and selfish. Dude.
@@PhoenixFireZeroperhaps if we made an analogy about how sports cars need frequent maintenance and the mind needs that too... 🤔
I think sports cars in particular being "high performance" and status symbols so it might help some people if they want to think more highly of themselves.
These men complaining about their feelings getting dismissed, at the same ones who will dismiss everything a woman says just because she's a woman.
Exactly. I never put men's talkings against them but they did with me.
Saying women shouldn’t have the right to vote speaks to their intention to dismiss and ignore women
Yup. "You need to listen to my feelings!!! Also I don't think anyone should listen to you and you should have no part in society outside of the home!!" Like ok....
And that's when they're not actively stealing a woman's ideas at work, and passing them off as their own.
Thassa bar!!
The guy complaining that a woman will tell you "I'm not your therapist..."
Wow, buddy.
Entitlement at its finest
I mean yeah duh. It depends on how it’s aid. If she says that in an empathetic way and more of an encouragement to go get help, then that isn’t a problem but if she makes that statement in a brash manner in a tone of “I don’t give a fuck”, of course that is a bad thing and anybody would complain about that. Like for example, there’s a difference between when a man says “you’re so damn annoying” in a condensending tone and “you’re so damn annoying”, flirtatiously speaking.
@@blackgold754 I've witnessed several situations in which someone started a not 100% light-hearted conversation and was instantly asked whether "they have someone to talk to" or told to "go get professional help". No, people should not be told to "go to a therapist" in a way that makes it clear that the person who says it only means that they should go on the nerves of someone who gets paid to listen to such boring, annoying crap. Directing someone to a therapist despite them just wanting some human connection and compassion or an outside opinion about something bad they've experienced is plain anti-social behaviour.
@@camelopardalis84 But what was the context? The one person may be in the place to have that conversation, but is the other?
@@camelopardalis84 yes!! I agree with you. That’s exactly what I was saying too!!! Being told to go to a therapist in a condescending manner can make anybody feel the victim bad or even wasting their time on someone that they thought they could trust somebody with! That’s why I believe the guy in the video was complaining too since he was told just that. If I ever told my homie to go to a therapist, I would do in an empathetic manner by letting him/her know that I will available in that part of the process instead of discarding them liek trash.
That being said, I’m glad you brought up that comment and expanded onto mine. Thank you
"I voted for Trump because of you."
"I follow Jordan Peterson because of you."
"I stand with Russell Brand because of you."
Yeah? Well, I'm an adult who takes responsibility for my own fucking decisions in life.
I thought they went their own way? Lmao 😂
omg too true!
You really showed them, comment section enjoyer.
@BuJammy what does enjoyer even mean in this context?
@@jtl-en4yx I'd feel sorry for you if I hadn't seen attractive women with fuck ugly me my entire life. Almost as if many women are attracted to something deeper that I guess they don't find in you. 🤷
They will believe me when I say i got attacked by a bear....
Yed, but not when it was a non-bear.
And the bear will never shame you for what you were wearing, or what hour of the day you were out in the woods, either.
And if a bear unalives (hate that word) you, that’s all it’ll do. Now with a man…. 😬 Let’s just say there’s a reason most mortuaries prefer to hire women over men.
@@parkchimmin7913 what the hell
Well yeah, it's kinda hard to lie about that when you've got four scars in the shape of a bear's claw to explain
I'm on the accused bird app now a random letter. They were yelling about trees, I tweeted "of course they'd choose a tree, it's stuck there and has to silently listen to them ramble and rage on"😑
LOL another example how men abuse those that can't get away
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OMG this is so good and so true!
The tree cares more than women do.
@@RisetoStrength Spoken like a true "women don't give me the validation I demand from them" individual
A man argued with me about choosing a bear in the comments. Yes, he indeed not only talked about “not all man”, but also created a scenario when a bear will r*pe me… how are they so desperate to prove us wrong that they are willing to imagine something never recorded while denying basic statistics and anecdotal evidence from me and other survivors (I talked about almost being SA’d by two men when I was 11 and it was his response..)
Thank you for the video!
kinda sounds like he was using that as a fantasy tbh 🤮
Lol, it's always "not all men", ut they never tell us "which men". Besides, what's the point? Most bear encounters don't even turn violent, so it's not "all bears", either...
Nonsense. The only bear committing a rape that we have on record is that one movie with leonardo dicaprio!
11, wow. I'm sorry, that must have been really scary for you. Damn..Honestly, I think the man you are talking about here should be ashamed to react in such a manner when you were opening up about something like that. What was he thinking, I don't understand how he thought that was a fair and rational response.
I always love how these conversations eventually get to the point where r*ape is brought up with no self-awareness about what they are saying.
Honestly as a dude, I'd pick the bear too.
You know who's not arguing to take away womens' right to vote?
The bear.
You just made the very case to take away women's right to vote. Emotional thinking versus logical thinking.
I don't see women arguing to give the bear the right to vote.
its also funny how a majority of men when asked the man or the bear, many chose the bear. its pretty funny how they can comprehend that they can also not be safe around men but not the same for women
Women aren't usually victims of sporadic violence though. Most assaults suffered by women by a pretty wide margin are done by people they know.
On the other hand men are much more likely to encounter sporadic violence from other men.
Stranger danger isn't true in most cases. Being wary of random people will do you much less good than being wary of your closest friends. Since they have trust they can exploit.
@@paranoiaproductions1221 "are done by people they know.": The vast majority of those people who turn violent against women are still boys men. No matter how you try to spin it and which group of people you use as victims, the majority of all kinds of crimes are still commited by men.
@@paranoiaproductions1221 Unless your the unlucky gal living in SK. 💀
@@paranoiaproductions1221yeah because women usually stay away from strange men…..
I have no effing idea why any woman would choose a bear, tbh. I wouldn't say that
Oh I’m confused, I thought they had been saying they hate women their entire existence.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 didn’t know what on earth you were saying until I saw the pfp
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 no, he was killed by a jealous Mega Man plush many years ago. He has excellent lawyers and has yet to pay for his crimes.
Maybe not all of them have verbalized it, but the sure have never hesitated showing girls and women.
Its just incels and nice guys who never see themselves as the problem.
That’s what I was thinkin’.
I'm so done with conservative men. I'm done with centrist men too. They almost ALWAYS turn conservative. I have lost so many male friends because they started off as centrists, then drank the extra-strength koolaid and became raging conservatives, which doesn't vibe will with my being queer and a woman. For the sake of my SANITY, because it truly is heartbreaking watching your friend go from sane to hating everyone, including you, I'm only gonna associate with leftists.
Also, I just straight up deleted my Twitter. And my Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit.
Peace at last.
What do you mean "turn conservative??"
Men that call themselves centrist are cons that haven't admitted it to themselves yet.
Being in the middle of an argument says two things about why you would put yourself in that position:
•You think both sides have good points.
or
•You don't care and you don't want to bother listening what both sides of the argument are saying, you just want them to stop so you can continue your life in the status quo that feels comfy to YOU (majority of the population, specially young people are here).
In misogyny and other equally bad social issues, being centrist makes you an enabler *at best* .
I hear ya. It’s so disappointing how so many, it seems, become conservative as they get older.
I find that ironic personally because I was a little conservative when I was a young teen but I ended up switching to a more centrist stance with progressive views.
thats cuz centrists are usually rightwingers with more hoops.
"Women or Tree"
The Man's way of demonstrating Why Bear.
Yeah, the man has absolute power in this situation. If they asked would you rather be with a woman or a bear I can see the answers being radically different.
Omg! The guys making the equivalence between emotional rejection and being SA'd or unalived, as if those things are equal, and as if men don't do all of those same emotional rejections to women they are dating.
I love that their example is another thing they are way more guilty of.
"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them"
- margaret atwood
Classic quote. And horrible dudes like this just keep rollin out the hits.
men experience the VAST majority of being killed tho..
@@DeLaSoul246 but only one of those is a realistic expectation. women experience a fraction of the violence men do.
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The way men have talked about other women's assault has put me off dating men anymore
The tree thing is so dumb. It's basically trying to shame women for not giving men free labour.
"Oh, yeah? You'd prefer to be unalived by a hungry animal over the course of a few hours than be unalived slowly by a person who does it for fun? Then we won't use random women as free therapists!!!"
It's like telling a woman she'll end up alone with cats if they don't latch on to the first man to show interest. What does it say about them that women would prefer to live with a creature that craps in a box than put up with them?
They're always telling on themselves.
For real, my jaw dropped at the guy who was mad that the woman explicitly told him to seek help elsewhere because she wasn’t his therapist. That’s not a personal attack, it’s setting healthy boundaries and treating him like a grown person
@@thatgirlinautumn5995 The "do you have someone to talk to" as in "can you go see a therapist" question gets asked extremely quickly by some people, though. Regualr people should be able to talk to other regular people and not instantly be told "Hey, don't talk to me about anything remotely serious. Go to someone who's willing to listen to you because they make their money that way. I will not lend you an ear."
Fun fact: you can train cats to use toilets. #notallcats
@@camelopardalis84 Nah man. I'm not going to let just anyone take up my time to trauma dump on me. If you can't stop yourself from trying to trap women to do things for you that they don't want to do/aren't equipped to do, then you're a problem.
@@camelopardalis84 I mean, I'm not going to let some vague acquaintance trauma dump on me. I'm not an emotions receptacle.
At minimum I expect a solid friendship and reciprocation when it comes to talking about trauma like that. And I'm not capable of just taking every guy's trauma and deal with it. Therapists literally studied on how to not carry their client's traumas.
If someone tells you, even a very close friend, that they cannot deal with your trauma and that you need professional help, that's not an instant rejection, that's someone who isn't capable of carrying two life times of trauma.
Yeah, men should absolutely go get therapists. There's a difference between talking about your feelings and trauma dumping or throwing a pity party and expecting women to fix your feelings for you. Men should also tell their feelings to other men.
1. Men speak to other men about their feelings. 2. Men never expect women to fix their feelings. In what fantasy world do you live?
@@idpro83 No one should ever expect someone else to to fix their feelings. On the other point about men tbh I got no real help there
@idpro83 riddle me this, if this is not an issue, why do all these men (not all men, I hate that I have to specify that) say that they can't talk to women about their feelings and say that women have told them to just go get a therapist?
It's probably cause women have told them to go get a therapist because their tired of carrying the burden of said man's feelings.
Now, don't get me wrong. There's also many an immature women who doesn't want to hear a man's feelings because she thinks it's unmanley, but just like not all men expect women to handle their feelings, not all women think that men shouldn't have feelings.
@@1237tnbYeah for real; I had one of my friends, after she ASKED about how I was doing and all I said was "life has been kinda rough, especially since I broke up with my ex" (literally one sentence) and she told me that I should "save it for therapy" as if I havent known her for 10+ years and that basic honesty is too emotionally intense for a conversation between friends.
Yes, there are lots of guys who don't understand what the difference between being real and trauma dumping is, but there a lot of ladies out there that think any amount of emotional intimacy is trauma dumping and think that going to therapy = has no emotional needs
@scottbuck1572 thank you for sharing that's real.
I do have a guy friend right now who's deeply depressed and he doesn't really talk about his feelings, but he doesn't take advice either. He honestly does nothing.
So, I and my other female friends, are at the point now that we are like, You just need to go to therapy cause we can't help you anymore than we have. We are not trained for this.
Turns out the woman was 71 and the bear got into her home
it takes a special kind of soulless ghoul to use the headline of a woman being mauled to death by a bear as some kind of le epic twitter win.
that's deranged on a whole different level.
but yeah, socialist reeducation was "too cruel" and bad for people like that. sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if she had been feeding it (even indirectly by having a bird feeder attract creatures or she forgot to lock up her trash somewhere secure).
So...these assholes were cracking jokes about a nice, undeserving granny getting her house broken into? Why is that just so...fucking...TYPICAL?
are women specifically targeted by bears?
They will never understand
@capsulamental Exactly. If a man is alone in the woods with a woman and sees the chance to have his way with her and get away with it, he may just go for it. And unfortunately, we've seen time and time again, that that's happened far too many instances. Also, that man might see another man walking alone in the forest and the thought may never cross his mind, given the risk vs. 'reward'
Meanwhile, a bear most likely can't tell the gender/sex of the human it encounters, so it wouldn't even take that into account if it decides to get hostile and aggressive vs said human (which it probably only perceives as merely another creature and nothing more)
Ok, but the fact that the men who would prefer a tree immediately jump at the idea that the woman has to be someone in their life, like a partner or a friend. Like, sir, I would absolutely pick my husband over a bear, why is the only time you can imagine you'd interact with a woman automatically one where you have a intimate relationship.
These men do not fear women. These men don't even bother to consider that women exist in this world outside of their personal desire for female intimacy.
And honestly, doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about how they view women even without them spouting misogynist bs.
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Great points .
@@punishedbnnuy seeing as how you've clearly missed the point, let me clear it up for you. The fear behind the man vs bear question stems from the fact that the man is randomized. Again, I would pick my husband over a bear any day. But would I pick the kind of men who can be found commenting under those discussions, wishing pain and bear attacks onto women because they feel snubbed, absolutely not. The man vs bear question has a simple premise, men can be scarier and definitely more unpredictable than a bear, so would you be willing to gamble your life away for the off-chance that you get a man who isn't like that. It's Potential Danger Vs. Potential Danger.
Whereas the women vs trees question, when randomised becomes talk to someONE who doesn't care vs talk to someTHING that doesn't care. A random woman on the street, or a stabucks barista does not have motive to hurt you, because they don't even know you. You'll just be a stranger whose dog died and they feel kind bad for as they move on with their lives and forget all about your existence. Personally, I've had plenty of people stop me on the street and tell me about the most random life experiences that they've had because I "look, like a nice person/good listener". I've been recommended hospitals to give birth in because they have better service than Mercy General near the border of California and Oregon (And no, I do not live anywhere near the US) Do I hunt them down to ruin their lives and reputations once they've let their guard down and told me their greatest weakness? No, I don't even know their names and tracking them down seems like a whole lot of effort to go through for a total stranger. There is no more danger to you in talking about your feelings with a woman than with tree. But these men don't think so, because in their mind all women are obsessed with them, they can not in their tiny, little man-heads imagine that there might be a woman out there who would hear them out and just answer with "K, so anything else to go with your order or nah?". And the same goes for you, because how on earth do you jump from the idea that not all women are invested enough in your life to care about your family drama to domestic abuse. If you choose to talk out your feelings then please, go to a therapist instead of a tree. Just make sure to go to a male therapist. He won't use your secrets and weaknesses against you, like a female therapist would. He'll assault you physically instead and give you a reason to cry.
@@krokulridgestalker7007 I don't see my old comment anymore and don't even remember what I said. But first off I agree with your first paragraph that in the worst case scenario men are absolutely scarier, but with your second you're wrong that men think women are obsessed with them. Men think women HATE them and only want to date the chads: that's the incel logic. And we're already seeing the ramifications of this belief hence why 50% of young men don't approach women romantically at all anymore.
And further onto the point of opening up to strangers. Seriously, women online say all the time to never approach them in various circumstances and men talk amongst themselves all the time about what can be perceived as "creepy" and usually come to the conclusion to not try at all. And by your own logic what's the point of opening up to a stranger if they don't care and dismissively say "K", it'd be no better than talking to a tree. At least if they were friends with the women they may have a reason to care, but that's why men made this women vs tree thing because they've been hurt by the women they trusted. (Even Kavernacle acknowledged this, but you cannot cause you lack the empathy evidently).
Also therapy in the USA isn't free and is very expensive from what I hear. Overall you're very very wrong that men don't fear women, they do. Whether that fear is valid or not I don't care to discuss, just know that the "women-are-wonderful" effect (i.e. benevolent sexism) is a very real phenomenon and introspect on it.
@@punishedbnnuy so right off the bat, we're off to a real weak start here. The fact that you think the fact that 'men think women HATE them' goes any way whatsoever to disprove the fact that men think women are obsessed with them is just silly. Hate is a real strong emotion to be feeling towards someone who you couldn't give to shits about. Incel logic or not, that's the logic you seem to be using in your arguments so whatever that says about you, you figure out. Women don't care, and you refuse to comprehend and/or accept that fact.
And as for the tree discussion. First off, You clearly need to watch the video again, because your justifications do not match the comments that are being made. And second, you're literally confirming exactly what I said. talking to a stranger would indeed be no better than talking to a tree, wouldn't be any worse either, because they're a stranger. In response to women being asked the question of: do you wanna die or do you wanna die and in the process hurting the fragile feelings of these men who know full well why women would be wary of a random man showing up in the middle of a forest, they ask themselves the question in return: risk hurty feelies, or emotional suppression.
These men move the conversation away from being SA'd and murdered (not necessarily in that order) to 'my girlfriend broke up with me' in an effort to justify the hateful vitriol that they're spewing about how women are evil and deserve to be mauled by a bear.
They do not fear women, at most they fear human connection and being hurt, but guess what, that's not a woman exclusive thing. It's a people thing. In the minds of these men however, they already know that men are scary and bad. They would never want to appear weak in front of other men by having feelings and emotions, therefore they classify talking about emotions as something they would only ever do with a woman and as such, being hurt because of opening up as something only a woman could do to them. In reality, they only feel this way because it's other men who they're actually afraid of, not women. In the end the idea of speaking to a woman about their feelings is still in their minds safer to them than speaking to another man, which is why they react with anger to having the supposedly safe option not respond to them in the manner that they want. These men themselves feel like they are the victims of men, so when women treat as they would any other man they get upset. They're not like the mean men who would bully you for being weak (aka being a woman) , in fact they're the ones being bullied, so how dare you treat them as potentially dangerous, they'll show you just how dangerous they can be.
This is where we get to the whole 'women are not your therapists' conversation, but honestly you're about as capable of introspection as a tree yourself, so imma just leave it at that.
And yes, therapy isn't exactly easily available anywhere in the world, but just remember to keep my advice in mind for when you can afford it. Male therapists.
You think the Perfect Dark thing is gross. Look into whats being said about the Silent Hill 2 remake's Angela. In one shot, she looks a little chubby. And these creeps are losing their minds screaming "woke".
The thing is SH 2 is a very dark game that deals with a lot of really dark topics. And Angela entire story is that she was regularly sexually abused by her father and brothers. And when we meet her shes 19 and implied to have killed them. Shes found herself in Silent Hill and is openly debating su*cide.
And this is the character that people are mad that isnt sexualized. Now I'm on the record for hating the SH2 remake. It feels like a nakedly cooperate attempt to repackage and sell a game that is largely considered a main point in the "games are art" debate. And this remake looks like capitalistic wankery.
But being mad you cant fantasize about a 19 year old SA surivior is next level gross.
"the sheer disrespect to a classic franchise!"
I think you need more than two games to call it a franchise. Also, they should redirect that energy towards whoever made only two.
A reasonable gamer would be concerned about the frame rate issues we have been seeing... How silent hill games as of late have been pretty mid... How the corpo day one dlc crap is cringe... Nah lol. Instead the crappiest of gamers are raging about what a lady looks like, yet again...
Gamer gaters lol.
@@PhoenixFireZeroI'm sure there were multiple?
@@PhoenixFireZerooh hang on you're talking about Perfect Dark? honestly there's only really one game and a remake for the original xbox?
nope it was for the 360. but yeah not a series lol
That’s horrendous
Never fell out of a woman and broke an arm. Trees suck. What's wrong with these dudes.
Lmao! Bro that funny af
Skill issue
Same, I've never been hit in the face by a woman, but had a number of tree branches smack me right in the face for no reason whatsoever.
Many men have fell out of a woman and had their lives broken. This only shows you didn’t explore the tree properly.
@@danwatson171 oh stop, you didn't fall out, you got kicked out
California's FIRST fatal Bear attack...
Vs how many men killing or assaulting women?
Yeah lmao. They crazy. Team bear!
Brown bears are extinct there roflmao
In Australia at least one woman dies every week at the hands of her male partner.
@@sprig5173 So from what I gather, all men should stop being around women altogether.
Leave them to their own devices and refuse to give them goods and services!
@@sprig5173 then they need to utilise better judgement.
My brother, a 34 year old man is the same man that raised me, used my sexual past against me when I called him a hypocrite on our overnight rules that he would enforce.
Men love hitting below the belt too. 😒
Edit: I was 23 and was dating my 2nd boyfriend at the time.
Like why are they like this, they want women to be "pure" but also want to be wild themselves who are they wild with because there is no way they do it with eachother because some of them have never heard was washing their buttcheaks
Yeah, people never question that logic. "Men can but eomen can't". As you say; who do men have sex with if not women?
I have a coworker who it stopped being friends with who does the "waits until you are in an argument to weaponize something you are emotionally vulnerable about". I had deliberately asked him to tell me, an Autistic person, if something i did bothered him (in particular he had some trauma and i didn't want to trigger him) but he didn't do so because I "would always get really upset with him". The thing is he always waited until we had a disagreement to bring that stuff up.
Men don't feel safe talking about their feelings with women? One of the sweetest memories of my childhood is a couple of girls cheering me up after some bullies brought me to tears in the school yard
Good job, you found good women who cared about you. Hope you continue to surround yourself with some!
Fr. Was a fighter growing up and ended up friending some dude who was being bullied after kicking their asses.
From what I’ve seen it’s usually other women like me that step in for bullying. Shit ain’t cool.
now try it as a grown man. it doesn't work 90% of the time once you leave the playground. you are expected to have grown into a self capable man now, no freebies.
@@aztekenen1
wtf ya on? Women won’t give ya shit as long as you don’t flirt with them while talking.
@@magnarcreed3801 This whole comment section is women giving men shit for expressing their feelings to them, or as they call it, "trauma dumping" so wtf are _ya_ on?
As an Malaysian, I sincerely apologise for Ian Miles Cheong. Our worst export yet.
He still lives in Malaysia, and from what I hear he has never been to the USA before.
@@biteofdog Wasn't the milkshake incident a thing that happened in the US?
Bro most of us here are Americans, can you imagine if we had to apologize for every shitty American? I'd literally never be able to leave my computer again. Sucks when you're an underrepresented group and then you get stuck being represented by an asshat though :/
@@camelopardalis84no that’s Andy Ngo.
Me every time there’s a Malaysia mention: Ah fuck, its something bad isn’t it.
The evolution of "wife bad, beer good" boomer humor, brought along at mach speed by "muh MAGA personality"
yeup, i noticed how every reason they gave for why they wouldnt tell their feeling to a women are rooted in literally "wife bad" jokes. like the whole "shell remember something for years then bring it up against you" i have never seen that happen outside of tv shows and one strip boomer comics.
Whoa whoa... Please don't slander quality beer 😂
yeah, sure, misogyny never existed before the baby boomers came along, right ...
@@thehellyousay that's not at all what he said.
@@lynns4426 yes of course
'facebook boomer humor' is sort of its own distinct lame subgenre of humor (usually featuring attempts at shaming younger people for using cellphones, often featuring the Minions from despicable me for some reason)
There's a pretty famous one that's just a cartoon of a kid like "grandpa how do I click book" and the kid's just struggling like hell to use a hardcover book as an ipad
keep in mind the bear vs men is not simply the likelihood of an attack.
I have never hear a story in which a woman had to sit in a court room, getting traumatised all over for weeks, being dragged trough the mud, ask was she was wear, or suggested that she wanted it, because she looked at a bear at a zoo before, because of a bear.
I have never hear of a woman who decided not speak about a bear attack, that ended with the bear attacking someone else later, and the woman had to live with the guilt and the question, would this have happend if would have said something?
I have never hear people say, that the bear would have never attacked the woman, because she was to ugly or that she would just want to ruin the bears live.
Bears don't lock women into basements, nor do they follow them for years and years.
Yep, plus the bear isn’t going to film itself attacking me for the sick enjoyment of other bears.
Thank you for rejecting the idea that the left has abandoned men. It is so irritating when people I otherwise respect back this idea.
It does feel like that sometimes though, and emotions don't respect rational argument. It doesn't matter that academically I know it's not true, I'm still seeing people 'ironically' say stuff like "god, imagine being in a straight relationship, what a nightmare" and it makes me feel like a lesser class of person. I'm still seeing people say "Yes, men's mental health matters BUT-" and then whatever they say after that doesn't matter, because that 'but' has instantly invalidated the first half of the sentence. And yes, I blame the incels and bigots for this state of affairs because it is their doing, but that doesn't fix the problem. I still feel like I have to walk on eggshells and never admit to any feelings of frustration or loneliness, because I'm just going to get dogpiled with all the reasons I shouldn't be complaining.
Serious question: at what point am I allowed to feel shitty about people casually lumping me in with the Tates and Cheongs of the world? At what point am I allowed to say "this is too much for me to handle" without people saying "well you're not literally being murdered so shut up and wait your turn," knowing full well that turn will be long after I die of old age?
@@ecyor0 "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
@@ecyor0 You deserve to be heard by your friends when you need to talk about your life and feelings. Everybody does. I've never subscribed to the idea that because "worse things happen" you don't deserve to feel hurt by your own life experiences. It's incredibly unhealthy to only ever have your feelings invalidated by the people around you, and possibly yourself, because of this thinking. It's only when you're having broader conversations with people about society or if you try to conflate your experience with someone else's even though there are differences in how society treats that person due to forms of oppression and marginalisation that you don't experience, that someone can point that out. But as someone who is part of multiple marginalised groups, it's clear to me that there's also a way in which people who experience things like sexism, racism, homophobia and transphobia, ableism etc can feel very defensive when people that don't experience those things are speaking about their own struggles in these big conversations. And that defensiveness (from, as you said, "the bigots" and the way they have treated these people) can lead them to see what you're saying differently to how it is actually intended, and you may get less understanding from them than you truly deserve. Unfortunately, there isn't an easy fix to this issue. As long as there are these awful people doing damage, people are going to be scarred by those experiences. Personally I'd like to think that I try to avoid letting people feel invalidated in that way (but I can still get worked up about things pretty quickly despite these efforts unfortunately), and I believe I'm quite good with my best friend at not making her feel like her troubles are nothing by reassuring her when she feels awkward complaining to me- knowing my experience with disability - that she's allowed to feel what she feels and that I don't think badly of her at all for struggling with her own life; I just want to help if I can or just listen if I can't. And when I need to call her she also picks up and I can have a rant when I'm overwhelmed without judgement. So I really hope you have at least one person that you can rant to when you need to. And if not, you need to find that person for yourself somehow. Because everyone needs a good rant to a non-judgmental ear from time to time. Ditch friends who never show you compassion when you're truly just speaking on a personal level about your life to them.
@@ecyor0serious answer: it's no one's obligation to separate you from the Tates and the Cheongs of the world. If you wish to be seen separately from them, you're going to have to put in the effort to make yourself separate.
@@kezia8027 Feminism is supposed to raise women up to be equal to men, not drag men down so everyone has the same problems, that just fucks over everyone
The "we're failing them" argument is so frustrating. What are we supposed to do, alienate actually marginalized groups to pacify the egos of conservative men in the hopes of someone persuading them to be slightly less awful?
YES, we're supposed to run toward the sounds of crying from a m@n who hasn't the emotional intelligence to seek help on his own... And risk our lives.
Exactly. It's like seeing a bunch of neighborhood boys make a "no girls allowed" club, and then complain that the girls failed to make an inclusive environment for the boys in their life.
They weren't pushed away, they isolated themselves. And getting them to stop isn't a question of inviting them, it's more like cult deprograming them. Because you could make the most appealing place in the world, to try and draw them out, but that doesn't matter for much if they go right back to their no girls allowed ways soon as you're done putting all this effort into entertaining them for the day.
Single women are literally telling men what they need to do to be dateable... Which is the bare minimum; Don't be shitty to women, be emotionally available, let women have rights.
Hell, from what I've seen, a lot women don't even need the guys to have jobs.
No but maybe we could validate their feelings and accept that patriarchy hurts everyone not just women or nonbinary people. Parents i.e. men and women teach their boys to toughn up, don't allow the expression of any emotion except anger, and teach them that the women in their life are responsible for their well being in every aspect but safety and providing. We should support the policy changes men are fighting for that help dismantle patriarchy for instance normalizing mental health care for men.
@gnommg the problem is THEY LIKE PATRIARCHY because despite its downsides, it keeps them in a position of power. They do not want it gone.
I want to point out that the one dude telling a woman he feels lonely and can't solve it himself? Probably looking for a date. I've had guys do this, then get mad when I am still not interested even though they told me they are lonely.
Emotional vulnerability is important. Using it as a weapon will get you shut down by a lot of the people you are trying to manipulate.
The thing is that the same guys who complain they are lonely STILL are so programmed to dismiss anything a woman says that they don't listen to the women who actually take the time to empathize with them.
I've had this happen multiple times. Some guy who is pretty toxic opens up to me out of the blue about being sad or lonely. Respecting the fact they felt safe enough to be vulnerable with me (even though I didn't particularly like these guys), I'd offer some advice that might help them. And they just immediately dismiss what I'm saying.
@@zammmerjammer they're not lonely they're controlling
Right! Your loneliness is not my problem, bro.🙄
I am yet to see a guy complaining to me about being oh so lonely and depressed who doesn't want to fk . My friends reach out to me when they're lonely and they sound very different than those guys .
It's amazing how many masks have been coming off, lately. I'm all for it.
The transparency is honestly more respectful IMO.
They were never wearing masks
No wonder COVID is coming back too. (Bad joke, I know)
@@PhoenixFireZero They used to be very careful to use qualifiers, promising they weren't actual bigots ( "I'm not against lgbtq people, but..."), and now they don't bother. Anyway, they've handed their masks to the liberals, who are now as quietly bigoted as the conservatives used to be.
EDIT: That said, it's probably more about them no longer feeling scared to be outwardly bigoted than them suddenly being honest. But really, I prefer them not having to hide their true feelings, because the liberals' method of getting everybody to be polite instead of actually tackling systemic issues is a waste of time.
They're losing, panicking, and now going full throttle in hopes to catch up.
It's not just this issue where conservatives forego 'personal responsibilty'. Remember, it's your fault you're unemployed unless you can blame it on migrants.
Or blame women or LGBT or... and the list goes on.
@@UnrealDreamer3598 When women actively push us out of jobs, I would say we should blame those women.
@@UnrealDreamer3598 Yep, you are being blamed.
And we are taking action.
How are migrants not responsible for unemployment and loss of purchase power?
@@solivagant2918 yt people don't pick food
The sentiment of "not all men" remains utterly meaningless as long as that also implies "but still some men though".
You can't predict which one, so all of them from the objective point of view.
It's not even an assertion of "but most men dont" it's "but not all men" meaning you could literally have 99.99% percent of the world's male population being monstrous threats to women around them.
not all men but enough men to make it dangerous to trust a stranger
same goes for women. false accusations and selfish divorces are devastating, and no one can read minds to find out if you can truly trust the other.
which is why this sexism is nonsense, just treat people as people, as long as they do the same.
Is it just me or do you sometimes get the feeling that 'not all men' is said by all men?
I don't think there's ever been such a simple and clear example of male privilege than the man or bear question. Men's response to it should be, "Wow, women would rather take their chances with a wild bear than a man they don't know? That's not the choice I would make," and then maybe realize that _that's exactly what male privilege is._ You've never _had_ to think that way. Women do. All the time.
Pretty poor example of male privilege since men are in fact much more likely to be the victims of a random act of violence than women, and less likely to be assisted when they are.
My response to man or bear to men who don't get it is a change to the scenario for men. Man or bear? But there is a 1 in 20 chance that the man is a gay, criminally violent, segs assaulter who is 30% bigger, stronger and faster than you. So bear or a 5% chance of someone who can and would mess you up in multiple ways. Men aren't understanding that _that_ is the question women are answering.
(And no hate against gay men. It's just how you have to frame the question for cishet guys to make it equivalent to what women are experiencing.)
@@CorwinFound Men get it.
We just resent you for it.
Changing the scenario doesn't help because the message is still there; men bad.
The heck is cishet?
We're just men.
Exactly. Men don’t have to worry about SA, bc they pretty much never experience it. It’s to the point I roll my eyes at male “victims”
@@chesie-ts2ni This kind of attitude created this crisis.
I’m starting to think I can’t have conservative male friends.
I got some. Grew up with em so they are like brothers to me. Shame that they turned out to be dumb azzes lol. I don't hang with em much these days. And I find myself calling them stupid to their faces a lot. They know I'm much smarter than them so they never push back. At least they are smart enough to not get further verbally destroyed than that lolz. But not smart enough to stop watching fox news. So I treat them like the morons they are, despite our history lolz.
I had to ditch my pet con, he got too far lost in the tate
At least if you want real, healthy friendships.
Why would you want to?
I've been saying that since the 1990s. From woeful experience, of course.
A therapist is supposed to tell you when you’re wrong sometimes….thats the whole fucking point of a therapist….”I was hurt because I wasn’t 100% affirmed in all of my shitty behavior”
To be honest, no therapist ever told me I was wrong about a behavior. (The only thing when they told me, I was wrong, was for saying I did something wrong.) Sometimes, it even felt they wanted me to lose my conscience completely.
That was exactly the reason why I hated therapy in the end. In literally every case, my therapist told me, what I did was the right thing. Even if I did the exact opposite of what he before told me was the right thing.
Exactly because I never got told something I did was wrong, is one of the strongest reasons why I felt no therapist took me serious at all. (And in fact. I wanted to go to therapy to finally getting honestly told what I did wrong in my life.)
After more than 6 years of that kind of therapy, I developed a disdain for therapy to be honest.
@@SSJKamuidamn where do you live that you can have a therapist that says shit like that? See psychiatric therapists are the real deal I've been called out by mine before about things but god that specific occupation is dying out right now. It requires a lot of work to get the psychiatry degrees compared to just becoming a therapist.
When men are told they're allowed to be vulnerable, I think what they understand is we have to agree with everything they say. In general, it's better to let men figure out their own sh!t. Sometimes people open up bcz they want to unburden themselves, not bcz they need advice. A lot of women want to fix things bcz that's what empathetic people do, they want to pull you out of your pain. Women need to cut back on the empathy substantially, mostly to save themselves from disappointment and being drained of their life force. Men don't and have never appreciated our empathic side, while that has been the basis for many relationships, a feeling of belonging, an anchoring force in an otherwise uncertain and merciless world of men. Most men have dismissed it as "too emotional" and "dramatic", while blaming women for being cruel and "purposely" imposing a male loneliness epidemic. They crumble when women lack empathy for them or appear to lack it but at the same time this is one thing they openly disrespect.
@@Lucky_DaggerSo I should get a therapist who keeps saying "Its your fault" and I just should chastize myself for the rest of my life and change, since everything other people (99 % men) have done to me, is my fault?
A therapist probably will not use the word wrong. And they will very likely not tell you that something is so and so. They will help you towards the realisation that behaviour and coping mechanism are not helpful (anymore). SSJKamui is quite right in their post.
I find that most women are pretty sympathetic if you’re not being a jerk or a creep. Skill issue? 🤷🏻♂️
a lot of men fail at this. From my experience,a lot of men who would vent to be were expecting me to sleepnwith them,be their free therapist,and also mistreat women
My question to these men saying women have always emotionally manipulated them is did she manipulate you or did she just not tell you what you wanted to hear? Were you expecting comfort but instead got a call to accountability? Did she verbally hurt you, or did she just tell you no? Need to address that 1st and foremost.
This. Lots of times it is their view of the situation that we need to know the context about in order to possibly make a decision.
This comes off a bit gaslighty. Is this really your first response to somebody sharing their experiences with you?
@@ジュレジュsome people are problem solvers by nature. Like if you have a problem their go to response will be figuring out how to fix it.
I bet my life savings that she didn't tell them what they wanted to hear,because that's my life experience. I was sympathetic to all my ex boyfriends only for them to cheat on me,then try to claim I was the toxic one after they ghosted me. I'm believing men less and less about being cheated on or manipulated,but they sure as hell won't self reflect
They've always openly hated women
And minorities, and the working class. It's their whole ideology. They're just getting more comfortable.
Rabid bears are definitely safer to be around than conservative men
These men talk about the trees like they will actually go to the tree but they actively refuse to go to therapist. Yea right
On topic of therapists. I as a man never thought therapy was bad. I fought for finally being able to go to therapy, despite problems with insurances.. After Therapy, to be honest, I am scared of psychiartry. In therapy, my problems got completely ignored and instead, I was gaslit to be compliant with a "job training" forced on me by a german authority because I am autistic. (Despite being treated like shit in that training.)
I despise the current mainstream CBT model. Ironically I am interested in ideas promoted by the left in the past, like Wilhelm Reichian Therapy, Gestalt Therapy, Deleuze and Guattari etc. And that sounds a lot better than this CBT crap.
I also now strongly suspect that most people sending me to therapy did not want to help me at all. Once, I even had a discussion, where a person told me "The fact that you had CBT for 6 years and it did not work at all, is a proof that you need CBT, and that CBT is the ideal therapy for you". Seriously, WTF. Why does a therapy not working on me for 6 years make that mode of therapy the ideal mode for therapy for me?? Weird logic from that person.
To be honest, I would rather go to therapy than talk to a tree but therapy costs money. Besides, I know exactly the type of conversation I’m gonna have in therapy but the problem is I’m in life where therapy can’t fix me because think of this way,
You’re a woman who gets abused everyday by your husband who calls you ugly, worthless, child, etc right. No amount of therapy, makeup, and calling yourself “I am beautiful” will fix you if your husband continues that treatment, if she doesn’t have anywhere else to go, if she ain’t got money to spend a night. Yes she can divorce but again, this is one of those situation where she got no one else, no support, no money to even hire a lawyer for herself.
I’m kinda on a same boat but the only diff is I can’t abandon my family, 8 barely have a job (pays quarterly), d9nt have a car, and apartments/housings are insanely expensive. So living 8n California won’t help at all.
@@blackgold754 I agree with you. (And on topic of money.. This is the way in many countries, certain modes of therapy get pushed while others are discouraged. In past, there were many left wingers calling CBT a form of neoliberal ideology. But this is massively supported by insurance companies. While insurance companies do not support traditionally more left wing therapists like Gestalt Therapy. The irony is, many parts of the left jumped on that bandwagon now and push CBT because insurances like CBT that much.. Instead of supporting more left wing modes of therapy.)
Weird how lefties are always the first to decry the brokenness and expensiveness of health care services in the USA but suddenly when it comes to therapy, it's just something that falls out of the sky or something
@@SSJKamui Mickey Atkins has a great video critcizing CBT, I think it would be interesting for you :)
Conservative men are why I am considering just having dogs and moving into the woods.
Same, every time I watch one of these videos I think that.
It's sad these men feel that sharing their feelings is equivalent to being in mortal danger.
It's all a matter of perspective. Some people may be better able to handle physical hurt than emotional hurt. It's not advantageous or wise for men to share their deepest anxiety and fear. You can establish healthy relationship with women on the basis of other ground.
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Bc men will never experience SA or that fear
@@chesie-ts2ni I'm an amab who's experienced CSA multiple times. Fuck you.
As someone who lives on the edge of a big forest full of bears I can tell you that you should be afraid way way more afraid of ticks.
European here and i have a fear and hate of ticks you can not believe.
Like in THAT case MAYBE i'll chose the man.
... i guess that'll depend on the quantities of ticks because they are a pain to get out but like i still don't wanna risk SA or Murder.
If i have dogs with me i choose man over ticks i lost dogs to ticks and it seemed an awfull way to die for them.
I can't wait for Conservative Men going for the phase of "Laying with another men is the most mainly thing a man can do."
No, they just cluck themselves into being aroace.
@@user-th1pv6ks5o I don't know...
They'd have to rename it to like dual-male tactical release or something to engage in it first.
I've legit seen the argument that it's gayer to live alone with a woman as a man then living with other men
@@noahkarpinski1824 I seen people saying that Margot Robbie is both a man and any ugly woman. (Only when she start to do more feminist movie.)
Conservative media has done to grown-ass adults what conservative media said video-games and rap music would do to high school students.
LMAO this! 😂
I think the would you rather, actually proves women's point. They are worried about being physically harmed or k illed, as the worst thing. Whereas the guys are talking about having hurt feelings from someone mocking your insecurities, not nice but the contrast is palpable
Bc men never have to worry about it, they’re safe
The bear vs man discourse was hilarious!!
As a respond to us saying we’d feel safer with a bear in the woods they proceed to to make 8,990,537 lives, TikToks & think pieces mocking our choice cuz “Stupid beeches! How dare you feel unsafe with me!!!”; and wishing physical harm on us.
They tried to explain how illogical we were being, and ended up proving the point 10X over 😂😂😂😂
Ridiculous to see the exact dudes that make the women choose bears.....be pissed about it 😮💨
@@Furry-iousNews 💯 Any man pissed about the bear is an immediate red flag.
As soon as I told my husband about the debate his only response was “Yeah, if I was a woman I’d pick the bear too”
@@rmercedes971
Damn he a keeper! You a lucky lady!
@@magnarcreed3801 Yes, he’s a good one 😌
@@Furry-iousNews yeah and then they make fun of us,while still completely lacking ANY self awareness
Imagine thinking 'wokeness' was going to destroy video games and not the capitalistic need to extract more money every year whilst crushing creativity for an ever increasing profit margin that's impossible to maintain.
I am pretty sure that you could make the most disgusting monetise game and just say it is anti-woke AND Boom idiots will give you all the money.
@@somik-i3x I honestly think you're right, just make some sock accounts online to criticize it and say they woke mob are trying to cancel true video games.
Do you forget... capitalism system built video games on the first place not socialism
@@balajiraju4157 No, people made video games, capitalism just decided they could make money and so moved in after it was already established.
@@balajiraju4157 Creator of tenis for two and Tetris, modder, flashgame maker and indie game maker have a different opinion.
even my 50 yo conservative dad chose the bear, he said something to the effect of, "you know what you're getting into with a bear"
the man who got told to talk to a therapist when he talked about his feelings to a woman, should probably have found a therapist to talk to like the woman suggested. Like it might not have been the response he wanted to hear, but it was good advice
But women are free therapy and he’s entitled to her, why pay for therapy?
That’s probably his thought process
Yeah like most women aren't therapist you can better talk to someone who gets paid to help you instead of trowing more emotional labor on a woman
There is a guy in my office who has been going through some marriage problems. He's try talking to both men and women in the office about it and most people will stand there politely for a while, but after that they will see him in the hallway and do anything to evade him. I've never seen him show any interest in the life of any coworker, man or woman, other than to give the polite "how are you" and then bulldoze past any answer that they give. A lot of men who want a free therapist have also tried this with men but they accept it when men evade them for this purpose. It is women who they think should provide a free service to a non-friend. They don't learn from the men in the office who have built symbiotic relationships. They won't truly be able to "go their own way" until they start to care about each other as a collective. We didn't make them treat each other badly.
@@Enriquez2222i hope when you ever get problems the people around you tell to pay them for hearing youre problems
@@Flyingthunder1 For real. These asinine "free therapy" comments are either people bitter that they're paying for the privilege of talking to someone and want to inflict that on others, or people who deep down have bought into the very "patriarchal" value they lambaste, the idea that men need to just suck it up. Self-awareness of a radish, lol.
Wont engage with them if possible. There's nothing you can say to change their mind, and they are actively seeking out their own bitterness
Exactly. Just avoid. If it's red, avoid avoid avoid.
You can say that for most people with strongly held political convictions. They resent and generalize women for their own pecuilar reasons and you resent and generalize men for your own reason. You all have your own agendas. Most men are naturally inclined to be conservative or traditionalist for lack of better terms, which are diametrically opposed to the worldviews espoused by feminism or liberalism
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@@heruy8274 as a feminist, i don't generalise men for my own petty reasons, i realise that the first wave of feminism was succesful only because a handful of men in powerful positions said "hey, the suffragettes are actually right, i want my own daugter to have a better future and more say in her own life so i support them" and went around fighting with conservative men over it. If all men were bad they would just execute all the suffragettes and get rid of feminists. I absolutely love and adore leftist men, what feminist women started could only succeed with the help of humane, empathetic men. I generalise conservative men though because they have always been objectively bad all around, even the ones that had better economic policies. It's not feelings, these are harsh facts.
While not the same in terms of physical violence but does play in the socialization of violence in men, these same men are saying we would never survive a cod lobby, but that also they’re safe to be around. It doesn’t make sense.
Not to mention that many non men survived cod lobby, it just suck.
This reminds me of the time a 16 y/o gamer was virtually graped by a group of men in one of those online multi-player games
Men’s complaints about women being dismissive or using men’s feelings against them is not gender exclusive. Most women could say the same thing about their male partners. You get what you give. I guarantee these men are not receptive to their female partners.
But men aren't saying women need to "express their feelings more". One wants to express the others feelings more, and also not take it seriously and humiliate them at the same time? Was that the goal all along for men to "express their feelings more"?
Sorry your ex (who was probably older than you) sucked and that y// have to punish all men now for it, but women are way better at emotional violence and wield it pretty universally. Even an average and "healthy" heterosexual relationship is often the case.
Ive been saying the same thing, why aren't men also picking the bear?! Because statistically violence against men is often caused by other men.
This. While women are more like to be unalived by known men in their homes. Men are more likely to be unalived by strange men on the streets. Although women are more likely to be taken off this earth by known men, it doesn’t mean a strange man is any safer.
Because then they'd have to admit their gender has a huge problem with violence and they don't want to do that.
Because men know that generalizing men would also bite them in the ass. They can empathize as much with being a suspect of perpetrating violence, or being assumed to be dangerous, as they can with being a victim of male violence (notice I said "suspect," not necessarily perpetrator). In fact, the latter would probably cause them to resent the former if it gets them in the way of getting help. The fact that y'all can't see this is just strange.
Because they think they have a chance at defending themselves against another man or else they'd feel emasculated
Because that misses the point, how often do men get SA’d? Almost never, and compared to women? Their “SA” is a joke
Well, the Tree vs. Woman argument is a strawman. In the Bear vs. Man, BOTH have the potential to do great bodily harm, and death. In the Tree vs. Woman, ONLY the woman has the potential to harm men emotionally. To make the argument of Woman vs. ? be valid, it would be Woman vs. Man. Which one would hurt a man more?
Edit for grammar.
also none of the women got offended by men prefering the tree
That's not a strawman though, it doesn't refute anything, let alone a completely different argument (which is the point of a strawman argument) than the one made by the "bear vs man" question. It's simply whataboutism (which ironically people misuses a lot) because it simply use a counter-accusation as a response to the "bear vs man" question rather than engage with it.
They always compare us to things that can’t express opinions…. That’s speaks volumes to how they see women
I mean men living in an echo chamber where they are never challenged is damaging to them they just won't admit it.
@@N9ndo Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification! My bad.
I support men choosing trees
Same
Everybody should choose trees and the natural world.
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And I support passport bro's as well
Trees x men
We've known this for Decades, it good they're finally being honest about it.
The man or bear / woman or tree situation just takes me back to something I heard ages ago; I think it was part of a stand-up routine, and I'm sorry I can't remember who it was, because it really stuck with me - in dating, men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.
It was Margaret Atwood!
It's still absolutely ridiculous to pick the bear, it's going to eat you, 99 percent of the time the man's going to help you
@@davidosullivan9817 no most bears if they aren't aggravated or near their bear cubs (if a mother bear) then you will be left alone. If you see a bear coming towards you then get big and loud and they will leave you alone. Men can help you but there are more things a man can choose to do other than help or not help. A bear will leave or kill you if provoked, most woman choose the bear as it is overall safer.
Margaret Atwood
@@presentfuture7563@beybladebaby thanks!
"Would you rather be trapped in the woods with a woman, or a bear?"
Me, lesbian animal lover: Can I have both?
Depends on the bear species, black bears are more shy but polar bears are very aggressive
@@randomhuman2595Why would a polar bear be in the woods?
@@Angi3_6 Maybe he got lost when he turned the wrong way at the pole, lol.
@@Angi3_6climate change. They have found a polar bear and Brown bear hybrid in Norway. Because ice is melting, polar bears start roaming.
I'd still pick both of them over a man...
Imagine comparing physical safety to hurt feelings.
The idea that those men wouldn't use what they learn about women against women is ludicrous. I had an ex who emotionally manipulated me so badly i thought i had depression and went on medication and saw a therapist. He told his family i was mentally unstable. Turned out when i finally left my "depression" went away.
Also women are not on this earth to be men's therapists and to be a cure to mens mental health.
There are so many reasons why this comparison doesn't work. With all the men complaining about women using their feelings against them, I have to wonder exactly what they look for in a partner that would steer so many of them towards the same supposed "type".
We've seen a whole wave of cishet young men SPECIFICALLY seek out "anti-feminist" women because they think there is something inherently sub-human about "wokeness". Am I the only one who finds Poetic Justice in their complete inability to then go on and use those women for the emotional labor they claim makes other women less worthy?
Also, let's expand on the thought. Why don't men share their feelings with each other? Why do they need a woman to share their feelings with? The bear situation is literally just about who you'd rather be alone with, the scenario isn't "Who would you rather sit and have tea with?" It's literally "Who would you expect to leave you the fuck alone?" lmfao
I'll answer my own questions: Men don't share their feelings with each other because THEY *ALSO* USE FEELINGS AGAINST EACH OTHER. (Edit: First I put "When it becomes most convenient" but tbh they don't even need to wait that long before they start making fun of each other for daring to feel things lol)
Men's rights movements, much like white power movements, almost always fail and descend into hate groups, because men's primary antagonists are *other men*.
For people already at the top of a social hierarchy, trying to organize for greater rights based on demographic like that generally results in just teaming up bullies with their victims, then isolating them from anyone who can intervene. Which is why when you're at the top, you need to organize based on politics, class, and intersectionality.
Men gotta be human rights advocates, leftists, and feminists rather than mra's
Yep yep yep. *nods*
@flynner_26 I'm 100% confident of two things:
1. You're a cisgender man.
2. You did not read a word of what I wrote.
Cis men need to LEARN empathy. They get plenty of it already.
i remember hanging out with a bunch of my friends and one guy broke down bc some serious shit had been happening at home, and everyone else was SO fucking awkward and mean. like straight up telling him to stop ruining the vibes and unable to make eye contact bc they couldnt handle any amount of vulnerability. it was super sad and i got into it with all of them after about being better friends. they either mumbled some shit about "it wasnt the right time" or fully said "he shouldnt be doing that, that shit is for his gf not us".
@@Saibellus I mean I don't really know that situation, but anecdotal stories of individual men being emotional doesn't change the fact that, by and large, cis men are the people who see emotions as a weakness.
Adding to that, in my experience a LOT of cis men tend to keep things bottled up inside until that exact situation: where it's legitimately inappropriate to use your friends as free emotional labor.
Like...that's the entire crux of this issue. Cis men do NOT know how to deal with their emotions in productive ways. They do absolutely everything they can to avoid doing things that will actually help them like seeking therapy or going on anti-depressants, because they consider those things to be signs of weakness.
TLDR: The only moral to that story I'm hearing is that your friend needed therapy and instead chose to try and rally his friends "to his side" (presumably at the expense of his girlfriend) so he could feel better about the situation and avoid legitimate means of conflict resolution.
At least they are honest now and stop pretending to care about women.
Holdup care? Have they ever pretended to actually care? Sure normally they don't come right out and say it but pretending to care would be a whole different level from at best dismissing women and their issues out of hand or claiming they are being hysterical.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat they pretend to care about women when it comes to transpeople playing in sports.
They pretend to care about women when it comes to Trans people in women sports.
@@FakeSchrodingersCatthey’d lie and say they want to provide and protect us 😂😂
Oh they will still bring up transwomen and bathrooms under the guise of "women's safety", believe me
notice how all the men using the tragic death of that lady by the bear as a gotcha immediately believed the story without demanding proof or needing to hear the bear's side of the story first?
Wow good point. No “innocent till proven guilty!!”
About damn time they openly admitted it. Like, stop bullshitting us.
Yep being a dude, I've only ever had my life threatened by other dudes. They're almost always the mouthy ones yelling dumb chit out the windows of cars, trying to pick fights at clubs, throwing mcdonalds garbage through the open window of my car at the drive-thru and punching me, or making fun of any aspect of my appearance they can. The wrong clothes, being too skinny or just being by yourself is enough to trigger any one of them. It's a guy almost every time.
Yes. On topic of open violence, I experienced that more from men than from women, too.
My son says the same.
@@SSJKamui Yep I mean women might judge me but at least it doesn't end up with my life being threatened
@@Greenplanet949 I hope he handles it okay. It can get pretty brutal around the wrong people!
"the mouthy ones yelling dumb chit out the windows of cars"
Ha! I knew that men who "hit on" (read: sexually harass) me from their moving car in a situation when I couldn't possibly have given them my number or got in their car to spread my legs were just out to bother me.
My response to men picking the tree over the woman: okay 🤷
That's the difference. I don't care, do what you want. I'm not picking you, you think I'll be offended that you won't pick me? Get over yourselves.
They had to switch to trees due to no women talking to them they pick trees because women won't sit through their foolishness. So yeah, their argument is so off topic from bear vs man. One woman are avoiding men because men are dangerously trying to get close with them. These men talking to trees were the trees their first choice likely not they seek tree over women because to many women clearly told them no leave me alone so they got the hint went to the tree first this time around after so many rejections
@@bunnyboo6295 Heh... LEAVE me alone 😏
Yeah 😅
Also tbh between sharing my feeling with a RANDOM person or a tree i'd pick a tree 😅 i don't wanna bother someone with my rambling
@@MiniMimots Get a cute bonsai plant. Plants seem to thrive with someone specking lovingly to them
@@bunnyboo6295 oh that could be a nice idea thank!
(Tbh nowaday i say them to my cat, she's happy to be talked to and i get cuddles :D)
The better question would have been, "Would you rather share your emotions with a random woman or a random man?"
What does that question prove?
@@07Flash11MRCmen usually dont share their feelings with each other.
@@Enriquez2222Fr.
@@07Flash11MRC Well, if people choose the woman, that runs counter to their accusations that all women are conniving manipulators who can't be trusted with any sort of emotionally important information. Or at least it runs counter to the implied "and men are better about that stuff".
Men call each other pussies when they try to tell each other their feelings. Or they just disengage.
I am a 6 foot tall manly man who is very familiar with the wilderness, and I know from experience that men are far more dangerous than bears. Where I live, there are no brown bears, and most black bears will go away if you speak sternly to them.
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Con men not understanding the Man vs Bear thing. We chose the bear because we are scared of the violence men will inflict on us. Men chose the tree because they don't want to be laughed at. Reminds me of the quote "men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them."
And yes, the bear could kill us, but they wouldn't do it for fun, like a man might do...
Bunch of bullshit..women are not killed in million by man...if you generalise people then violence start to increase not decrease....this tribalism between gender will be the downfall of western countries
The gaming character gripes is the most ridiculous part of this as an old school gamer where character's "faces" used to be like 10 individual pixels. They really need to interact with real people and not just cartoons and... Trees... Apparently???
I remember playing MGS 1 ten years ago (so way after the game was release) and 0 character got any facial feature.
We should give those games to the "gamer" so they can have a reality check.
Nuh, uh. Yogi Bear can talk to you. He's smarter than the average bear.
That maybe so at that moment until you realize he done ran off with your food with you looking like boo boo the fool.
@@LessettFoster479 Excellent point. Men are more likely to redrum you in the woods, but bears still rule when it comes to making off with your pickinick basket.
“I tried sharing my emotions with women, the last time I shared with a woman she said ‘ I’m not your therapist. Go get help’ “
So let me get this straight, when you went to a woman she gave you good and practical advice to help you with your problems? Wow, how terrible for you 🙄
I can count on one hand with many fingers left over the number of times I've heard someone tell a man to get help in good faith. It is nearly always intended as an insult.
That doesn't sound like a well-intentioned piece of advice, more like f off lmao
I've never told anyone I'm not your therapist. When someone wants to talk about something, I listen. Stranger or friend, man or woman. I like listening and people fascinate me. And yes, my daughter does tell me I'll meet a serial killer one day.
@@jemiller226 Strangers are not obligated to listen to your problems.
@@lolasdm6959 Good job tagging the wrong person.
At least they’re saying it in the open now. Easier to avoid.
Men gloating about a woman dying to a bear is another reason to always choose a bear.
At least people believe that the 71 year old woman was attacked and killed by a bear.
Perfectly fine with conservative men being miserable.
Zero fachs.
This man/bear vs. woman/tree juxtaposition kind of brings to mind this saying: "The worst fear of a man is a woman laughing at him. The worst fear of a woman is a man killing her."
I'm shocked, SHOCKED
well not that shocked
So I have told this story a few times, but I recently started dating someone. First, I got a second date with her by talking to her like a human being, being interested in her as a person, and respecting her boundaries on the first one. Then, on our second one, I decided to just use my words and ask if I could kiss her, and she said yes, and was then much more into it than I was expecting. This happened shortly before she went on vacation out of the country for a couple of weeks, but we have made plans for a third date next weekend. If this radical new hypothesis that women like it when you listen to them and ask for consent before you touch them stands up to further scrutiny, we men may have a real game changer on our hands!
Yes! Dudes going into a kiss without asking are usually meh at best.
Being asked for one? Bro I might carry your ass into my house.
Also, water is wet
no its not. its dry. ye ye
Aboutthe man or bear thing... all those guys seem to somehow forget that claiming its not all men is correct and we all aknowledge it but also not all bears despite them somehow wanting to make it into not all men but all bears are always aggressive for no reason
See a bear in the woods, what's the bear doing? Oh it's being a bear.
See a man in the woods, what's the man doing? Oh, I don't know but he's smiling at me..
I know which one I'd rather pick.
@@redhandtheblack Absolutely! Especially for having grown up near a woods and semi routinely crossing bears with no issues haha
The most the best has reacted was the momma with cubs, stood up as a warning so went the other way and that's that
They’ve certainly thought that their entire lives
Do you want to know what's hypocritical about the women and tree thing. With all their talk about the need for wanting to express their feelings and get support, these men are the ones who would turn around and disregard women's feelings for finding the same source of emotional support. In their mind, what these people want is an ear to hear them out, but then ignore when the mouth connected to it speaks. It's even crazier given how these same guys subscribe to the model of stoicism and stockpiling their emotions or expression, along with finding men who buck the trend of "classical masculine roles" (i.e., gay people or transwomen, in their view) to be worthy of scorn.
YEP!! Everytime! They want to shut us down and throw a hissy fit because we want to talk about how we feel,then they try to abandon us,but yeah they SOOO definitely deserve to be listened to! SMFH
I remember when I first heard about this bear/man choice and how many women chose the bear. And I just thought,"yeah, I totally get it." It was only afterward that I heard there were a lot of men who *didn't* get it. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was. It's embarrassing, as a man, to come to terms with the fact that so many men are utterly clueless
Just means you get to be the correct example setter and have a huge lead in being a decent person.
For what its worth as a man my answer would also be a bear regardless of the human's gender.
Now I understand that my reason for that answer differs from the woman's quite a bit. I also understand what lesson the initial question is intended to teach men about woman. I didn't get upset when reading this question. At no point did I feel the need to defend men after hearing the answer. Its a good question and one that might open people's eyes to things.
I find odd that these guys who are "Not all Men" are saying that all women try and bring you down and h ate you and specifically implicate all women. In the bear vs man women were playing it safe. In Tree vs women these guys despise women or are lost teenagers too afraid of women and have been brought down this horrible path.
It’s years of online hate in an echo chamber of misogyny.
I am starting to see just how far the right has become.
They've always been this way. In the past they just had an easier time claiming women for themselves because of the legal lack of autonomy. So back then you just heard endless complaints about b*tch wives and the whores/witches that refused husbands. Nowadays, the same type of guys have a much harder time either keeping a wife or getting one in the first place, so now they just have all women are whores.
It’s actually so refreshing seeing progressive men actually addressing cultural misogyny the right way, thanks king ❤️
Undatable men
Unfuckable in the extreme, and willfully making themselves moreso.
I'm so glad they're choosing the tree. My whole life I've had random men wanting to talk to me about their feelings, guys I barely know telling me personal stuff that I'm not qualified to deal with. That girl was right to tell him she's not his therapist. It's so not our jobs. We have our own stuff, our own families, boyfriends, whatever. Just because these guys have no one to talk to, it doesn't make it some random woman's responsibility to listen.
I think that it's very strange and pathetic for men to share their innermost feelings to random women they meet. I figure they must not have someone to talk to and reveal their feelings to women thinking to themselves that since women are more nurturing compared to men, they must be more willing to listen to their complaint. I would symphatize with them if I didn't find them to be so embarassingly pathetic.
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Why is it these mens answer to women saying “men kinda scare us” is always “WELL WE DONT LIKE YOU ANYWAY” like ok ?
"For conservatives men, women are private property, and for liberal men, women are public property!!!"
Its from a book I don't remember the title. Anyhow, ladies, if you know, you know!!
sounds like andrea dworkin
That US centric BS statement is just a rehash of a centuries old talking point discussed by Marx himself.