@@caseykiesling4348 I do too but my IBS sure didn't lol. If there weren't so many additives in stuff I could eat more stuff without dying in the bathroom.
what was the reasoning for that outrage anyways? in what world where a project with the goal of making children healthier can be perceived as a bad thing???
Tbf, I grew up eating all those "healthy" school foods. It tasted terrible, to the point where I didn't eat at school (and skipped breakfeast for home life reasons). I would've taken terribly unhealthy but good tasting over bad tasting healthy food that I wasn't going to eat. (They were outraged for different, more racial, reasons though. I'm sure of that.)
Online bullies: "we care about the health of your child" Also online bullies: "We don't want our taxes wasted feeding hungry school children, that's their parent's problem!"
Not even remotely true. I am apalled by the fact that she feeds her child doughnuts AND I want people to be able to afford feeding their children. Having said that, it's way cheaper to buy oatmeal than donuts
Not this video specifically, but I remember when this happened a couple months back with another mom with 2 kids who gave them a big slice of pizza, a handful of barbecue flavored potato chips, and blueberries for lunch. In response to all of the backlash, the video got a community note on Twitter that was basically like “it’s not bad parenting to give kids pizza for lunch.” Not to mention that the woman was very likely in her mid-20s at the oldest, and background of the video suggested that they were living in like a trailer home. It’s disgusting how despised poor people are in our society
I’m pretty certain my school had pizza available every day for lunch along with a daily alternative. We also had a snack cart for buying chips, cookies, etc
"It's not bullying to tell someone to feed their kids healthily" The message is irrelevant. It is bullying to have social media dogpile on someone and publicly humiliate them. EDIT: It is amazing to me that those who are here to criticise the woman either didn't watch the video, or did watch it, but failed to hear or understand what was said, and simply repeat the same tired old platitudes of moral superiority. None of which justifies the bullying SMH
Exactly, and I doubt most of these people care about the overall factors that cause people to buy and serve unhealthy foods. How many people doing this would consider themselves anti-capitalist? hardly any
Sometimes bullying is necessary and good, and if that’s what it takes to get her to care about her kids idgaf. Her and her awful partners consistently eat better and she spends thousands on bullshit hauls so she can invest in better food for her kids. Also, she’s farming rage content because it makes her money so I feel even less bad telling her she’s a shitty person.
@@TheKavernacleyeah they literally don't because they aren't in the situation where you can't afford to buy the most healthy, and or don't have chronic health conditions that add to the obstacles. 😢
@@TheKavernacleliberals believe in individual failures not in terms of social systems and institutions. This is why socialism grew out of early sociology (social science) and the social critiques and reforms that followed. Liberalism thought the problem was too much government and not enough individual freedom. Which yes that was true especially when struggling against monarchies and feudal aristocracy. But they stopped there and had little to address social and structural issues that persist. Limited government and free enterprise didn’t solve economic disparities, racism, patriarchy etc…
The problem is that TicTok is a breeding ground for _trolls._ There are lots of these accounts where somebody appears to be making straight up trash *specifically* to trigger a response for engagement. This is a non-issue.
On reddit recently, people were arguing a 6yr old killer should have been locked up for life and getting annoyed when others mentioned his life in extreme poverty, his single mother working 2 jobs so he lived in his uncle's LITERAL crackhouse etc. Theyd literally lynch one 6yrold and say problem solved than address childhood hunger, systemic issues, and the degrading impact of poverty on entire communities. Its easier to blame one mom, one kid, etc than address a sick society.
I mean, two things can be right at the same time. Those things are at the core obviously and should be handled with care. But I wouldn’t want that lil monster running around either. Although he doesn’t deserve death. Life, maybe depending how he progresses. But he would need extensive therapy and work before even thinking of letting him out. Unfortunately neither of those things will be addressed for this child and any others that will come after him.
@@spicymayo623ngl calling a child a little monster is crazy , our society of so stuck on carceration we act as tho even the mere mention of not locking someone up even is they wre a child is crazy , their are plenty of ways to deal with crime that isnt locking a human in a box for the rest of their lives , humans dont like captivaty its why jail is used as punushment by other humans but all it does inturn is make what ever problem got them there even worst or create new ones ei trauma , SA , criminal record , americans are ao far behind on understanding inceration yet we have the highest rate on earth .
The stuff she was serving her kids is literally what was served to us in school lunches. If people are so upset about this one mom, why aren't they more upset about what our public schools are feeding millions of kids around the whole country?
Let’s poll her critics and see how many of them support increasing nutrition assistance for families, or having tighter regulations on the ingredients in our food.
@@franjkavno sorry, you gotta learn that racism has expired and that Shakespeare is someone you should know. Idk why certain aspects of English can't just be the language, and not topics that better relate to art. Prioritize teaching kids how to budget money, sex education to prevent/circumvent pregnancy + rape, gardening, literally anything else.
People really aren’t community minded. If they’re so upset and care about the kids, donate to her or try to get in touch with her and help her get healthier foods for her children?? Like what is bullying her on the internet and calling her a bad mom going to accomplish for the kids they claim to care so much about
It worked though. She stopped posting that bullshit and started cooking healthier meals for her kids. No excuse to be a vicious raging piece of shit, as some are, but the criticism is valid.
I was thinking similarly - if the priority here really was the health of the children, then having a quiet word with her would do more to accomplish that than public shaming. Also, one of the people said 'she's just rage-baiting' - in which case, advertising the rage baiter to your audience will drive more people to her, thereby encouraging her to keep feeding her kids this stuff. The best thing to do for the kids is NEVER 'make a video'.
I'm not sure where she is but this is the typical diet of a Midwestern suburban lower middle class family. When I grew up it was like this. Junk food, frozen food, eating out. sodium and sugar galore. It's a hard cycle to break. It took me a good 3 years of adult cooking to cut out the salt. It's time consuming to eat well.
But salt is delicious 😋. I keep telling myself I gotta start using half the salt now that I'm pushing 40 😩. Shit is getting real and I can't eat the way I want to anymore. My weight is fine, but I know I need to make positive changes for my health.
I slightly disagree on time consuming to eat well after losing weight for 2.5 years. We get frozen veggies that you can put in the microwave and fairly health entrees that we can pop in the oven if we’re too tired to put something on the stove. We used to think oh we have no time to eat healthy. Really, it was lack of education and quite honestly, prioritization. The only reason I was able to learn ways to eat healthy when busy was by my doctor. Most people think they have to eat fresh produce and that they’re not allowed balance. I still struggle with binging and eating crap food a little too much at times. Luckily, instead of giving up, I say “hey let’s try again tomorrow.” It’s sad to watch our society get more sick each day from ultra processed food.
@@LLCoolJ_25 yeah. I can agree that cooking is faster in some regards but some people will nuke 2 hot dogs in 45 seconds (hint it's me) but I think you need to take the time to learn to cook which a lot of people don't know how to do. I can get a meal together in 15 mins for two if I want to hustle. But I'll take 30 mins top.
@@Indyawillis85 yeah I'm 41. Cut down on salt 14 years ago. Still use it but not as much and my taste buds adjusted. Also using different seasonings like garlic powder, paprika and cumin really make a difference
To make things worse, a lot of the discourse around bad diets is incredibly ahistorical. There has never been some kind of golden age when most people ate healthily. Every age of humanity has left skeletons with evidence of health problems caused by poor nutrition, from the Palaeolithic to today. Processed foods and additives aren't new. They've existed for literally thousands of years, and some of the additives used in the past were worse than anything used today. The Romans used to add lead to bread to make it whiter. Fatty, sugary, salty processed food is bad. But kids growing up in the 1950's ate a load of it as well, and most of them are still alive, despite being in their 70's now. Obesity has increased over the last few decades, but levels of many other diet-related health conditions such as scurvy and rickets have massively declined over the same period. Junk food is unhealthy and not very nutritious, but it's not 'literally poison'. Lets get rid of it through education, taxation and incentives rather than pretending we can make everyone healthier by publicly shaming random poor people.
@@Vasilia4 The way to tell if the area is a food desert is determined if one can buy fresh fruit and vegetables within walking/biking distance. I'm lucky and live within walking distance to access fresh fruit and vegetables. Many people don't have that. Places like Family Dollar and Dollar Tree, that tend to be the only grocery store in small towns, only carry cheap, super processed food.
@@stephaniet1389or a lot of people don’t have the money to buy healthy food. I love that no one considers that food companies literally make it harder to eat healthy even if you wanted to
@@Vasilia4oh honey, you have not lived rurally have you 💀 The gas station carries donuts, there's a gas station in every town. A grocery store is not guaranteed, and if it is it's not always open on weekends, and if your mamas realized the cupboards are bare, look kids, it's donut day!
Crazy thing is everybody hating on her feeding her kids these sweets probably feed their kids cereal and pop tarts like y’all both do the same thing 😭😭
Yes and no. I tend to buy cheerios, and the pop tarts are useful. But, because they're full of sugar, I tend to offer a PBJ or cereal before the pop tart. On my weekends I try to feed her better. Last weekend I made bacon, hashbrowns and eggs. She only ate the browns. Fruit is okay. She always wants strawberry's or apples. Bananas are a miss these days and oranges only have moments. Long story short, I look down on parents who make fat kids but also recognize none of us are health nuts.
I mean, there's 3 possibilities: 1) A tragedy of poverty and food deserts going public via social media, 2) Rage bait farming for money, 3) Using 2 to try and alleviate 1, which is itself a tragedy.
I honestly think it's 3, but I will reserve final judgment because I don't actually know anything at all about this mom. I did see one video where she reacted to the hate she got about the marshmallows, and she said something like "Did you really think I would feed my kids that many marshmallows? We put most of them back in the package and they had a normal serving." So if we believe her, it's option 2 or 3.
I think it's 2 and 1. She has said before that she gets food from food banks/pantries to feed her children. You don't always get to choose what is provided to you in that circumstance. She's doing everything she can and needs an outlet and she probably should be seeing a therapist rather than posting, but it's his many people cope with their life situations.
@@liz_loves_cats I use food banks as well. As a rule, they don't give out donuts and marshmallows. Usually it's like, dry beans and rice, and canned beets! Seriously.
@@sharimeline3077 I also live in an area with multiple food pantries. Powdered donuts are absolutely available. People take that they need/what is available, and sometimes that is powdered donuts.
@@sharimeline3077 they might not be available in your area due to a lack of community support but they take what they can get here and they distribute it.
Interesting how morally outraged people are over a donut breakfast but when thousands of them are being blown to pieces overseas with our tax dollars, it’s complete silence.
On reddit recently, people were arguing a 6yr old killer should have been locked up for life and getting annoyed when others mentioned his life in extreme poverty, his single mother working 2 jobs so he lived in his uncle's LITERAL crackhouse etc. Theyd literally lynch one 6yrold and say problem solved than address childhood hunger, systemic issues, and the degrading impact of poverty on entire communities. Its easier to blame one mom, one kid, etc than address a sick society.
@@TahtahmesDiary Honestly though. For many, Capitalism is a stronger faith than any religion even when you see the evidence of its failing before your eyes. Most of them can't comprehend how our materialistic lives come at the expense of under-paid laborers all over the planet. Not to mention the natural resources all over the world that are "somehow" under the control of western multi-national corporations. Add onto that the planetary destruction we are bringing upon ourselves with climate change; mostly brought on by fossil fuel industries fighting tooth-and-nail against energy alternatives. Blaming poor people for society's ills is far simpler than understanding the scope of Capitalism's damage.
Ok. There are homeless children, there are homeless families, there are families with children who go to sleep hungry and are dying from starvation, where is the hate for that?! Where are the calls for helping all children get good quality food , where are the calls for changing the state of the world that allows this. Why do people only engaging with community activism through harassing a poor mother, where are they with offering to give them better food?! You can use that anger and disgust for good things and harass local government officials to make the changes needed to make food more affordable. Harassing this one mother will not do that
@@gillypiexo it sure is, because this isn’t a matter of price and y’all are jumping the gun. Beans, rice, peanut butter, bread. Those alone are better and cheaper options than donuts and marshmallows. Most of y’all never grew up in a poor household and it fucking shows. There are larger systemic issues at play, but this woman is at fault to a fair degree.
Of course not, the easiest way to excuse/get away with harassment and bullying is to either do so in the name of ""protecting children"" or ""for health"". It's never actually about children, and never actually about health. Instead, it was always about control-controlling children to be whatever the parent desires, controlling weight so there's more women/people to dehumanize in a sexual way rather than a violent way. Because anorexia, especially someone who's "obviously" anorexic with ribs showing, is considered to be healthier than a fat person. As always it's just another silent confession when these types of people say "you're virtue signaling", because when have they ever truly cared? Those people laugh and desire the death of queer kids, value a shitty drink from starbucks over the lives of (mainly brown) children both overseas and not, and fantasize about abusing future children. Literally whipping them into shape, as if they're using a living human being as a punching bag to get out their pent up anger from most certainly being abused as a child the same way. Let's not even talk about the people actively fighting to keep child marriage, protecting pedophiles/rapists, and forcing rape victims to have children AS CHILDREN. And the possibility of someone not taking care of a child of rape properly, because they see their rapists face everyday? No, their "love and care" ends the moment a child breathes, because they don't do a damn thing for said children of rape being abandoned/abused, for orphans, for young victims of incest, or for adopted children being literally sold off. Their cares and worries have always been shallow, because as long as there's a ""justifiable excuse for bullying"" (said excuse being the woman's totally sinful weight), then they feel they can say and do whatever. Nobody harassing her is going to lend money so she can properly feed her kids. Nobody harassing her would take her or others in a similar position seriously if she ever explained her life circumstances. No matter what she's committed the sin of not just being fat, but "pushing" that fatness onto her family. If she was skinny, sure there'd be a few people outraged, but the consensus would be more "omg haha look at this quirky mom" or "ugh another female seeking attention". No matter what, she'd never win or be enough to them. Moral of the story is to never trust anyone who has a mental breakdown over a fat or poor person, and that they don't care for children as much as they pretend to.
I have to disagree. She’d probably get less hatred and vitriol but people have and will continue to speak out against stuff like this. Despite what the British guy says donuts are not a typical breakfast in America, nor is it the cheapest breakfast in America. Especially for children.
There's a saying I've heard amongst poorer parents. "Better fed." Oftentimes, they know they're not feeding their kids the healthiest stuff, but it's what they can afford, and you're better fed than starving.
This is a really rampant sentiment, unfortunately. That is an example of a systemic issue …but donuts still cost as much as a can of beans. Better fed, but better fed actual food that’s subpar quality than “food” that will cause childhood diabetes. This is a multifaceted issue that people are not approaching with enough nuance.
@@liesel16 maybe not (except yes, they do, plenty of English and Scottish families eat beans for breakfast), but if they don't want beans, eggs or oatmeal are (usually) cheaper than donuts.
@@druelia9485pre-done donuts are faster than things that need to be prepared, the cook time and dishes may also be something she tries to avoid- we don’t know if anything we should be suggesting healthier, fast, morning snacks, since that’s what she is looking for. grapes, apples, a granola bar, donuts, can all be simply plated she is insane on the portion sizing, but if the kids are told its ok to stop eating once theyre full, the only issue would be the wasted leftovers
I saw the Kiki Chanel video on this a while back and immediately unsubscribed. I used to like her anti-MLM content, but this particular video had me fuming due to her snotty judgmental attitude that had absolutely no brainpower devoted to why a parent might be serving these foods. I’m really glad to see you give a great response to it. Also loved the FunkyFrogBait shout out, they’re the best!
She definitely has a tendency to be a bitch whenever the topic is non-mlm and I wonder why that is. She seems more analytical in her mlm videos, what's holding her back on topics like this? It's weird
I just left another comment about this before I saw yours. This and her video on the kid with ARFID completely soured my opinion on Kiki. She had an immediate angry reaction to this mom, and instead of examining that, she made an entire video to defend and reinforce that reaction. Kind of ruins her other videos too. Makes me think she was only talking about scammers because no one gets mad when you trash scammers.
@@Robi-Chaud her concern in both those videos if you watched was mothers exploiting their children for views, which is whats happening in both situations. this unhealthy mom would be making thousands of dollars off these videos and she can't afford some healthy snacks instead of processed unhealthy ones? vegetables aren't that expensive.
Excellent points. Whenever people opine on obesity in America, I get extremely frustrated because so many of them seem to place the blame on the individuals, instead of the systems we have in place that set us up to fail. You hit the nail on the head.
My dad fed me mostly pancakes when I was growing up, because I was a fussy kid with food texture issues (and eggs smell weird). Whats the difference between pancakes and donuts, really. Same as toaster struddel, waffles, french toast... When I think back to that period of my life, I dont feel like my dad was neglectful because he fed me pancake, i mean the man took time to make them in the shape of pikachu, i felt like a queen.
Yep, a lot of popular breakfast items are just as loaded with sugar and fats, but would be considered perfectly fine to feed kids. Suppose this mother was wealthier, and serving her kids homemade griddle cakes. What do you typically put on those? Maple syrup, butter, powdered sugar, fruit jam-- hey wait, isn't that what they use to fill jelly donuts?
As a kid I didn’t like desserts much. Breakfast was always tough because I’m my eyes, everyone only ate desserts or eggs. Eventually I was eating reheated frozen veggies and cans of soup for breakfast since I actually liked those
omg thank you, it was just too much. all the people pretending to care suddenly, but on the same hand shame the "trad wives" that are problematic in their own right for making food from scratch. they cant decide or engage with the content in a transformative or informative way
I'd say the making food from scratch was the least of an issue, unless it was preventing a child from eating just for aesthetics... Still. Plenty of more issues with trad wives trying to romanticize a period of time that never existed. Then again what else would you expect from people who don't respect history, and are constantly trying to erase the actions of their forefathers' consequences?
@@Vesperad0 Finally someone that recognizes the fact that what these people call "traditional" lifestyle is not traditional at all, and it barely even occured, all within a very small demographic in the western world. "Tradlife" my @.$.$. Also, to the OP, the problem with the "tradwife" trend is that it predisposes women to future unemployment, аbú$e, minimal pension, lack of education, insecure social net and unstable personal finances. Nothing to do with how they cook.
The comparison between US food and European food makes me not want to eat processed food ever again. It's so sad that we have been conditioned into eating this slop and then blamed for high obesity rates. I try to eat healthy, but the food here is so terrible. Our only healthy option is overpriced whole foods.
He compared two completely different products. I looked up Quaker Oats Instant Oatmeal Fruit Fusion and these are the ingredients: Whole Grain Oats, Sugar, Dried Blueberries, Dried Blackberries, Natural Flavor, Salt, Black Carrot Juice Concentrate (Color), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Vitamin E Acetate, Vitamin A Palmitate. Pretty much the same as the UK ingredients but with some added vitamins. Also the EU has much less stringent rules around food labeling than the US and food labels weren’t even required until 2016 in the EU.
Frozen veggies/fruits are just as healthy as the regular produce items. I switched to getting the bags of just frozen veggies/fruit and it's so much nicer because i don't spend time chopping things or have them go bad in the fridge. Canned veggies/fruit are also great. You just gotta try to get the no sodium added/light syrup ones for a healthier option. Even if you do get heavy syrup/sodium, you're still gonna get more nutrients than if you bought a microwave dinner.
kiki chanel has been spewing some terrible opinions for a while now. she has been call out by dietians bc of misinformation in bunch of other videos. also personally i can't take anyone who makes 'amazon favorites' type videos seriously...
As an American we are barely taught useful nutrition in schools. I didn’t learn most of what I know about the topic until I was in my late 20s. Our portions and awful and a lot of our food that is affordable is processed. Not to mention that weight and nutrition aren’t as simple as these bullies are making them seem. I have a friend who eats a ton of sweets and can’t gain any weight.
I'm a Canadian and once went on this small tour in Michigan with a children's theatre show. I could not find a vegetable to save my life. The complimentary breakfast at our hotel was scrambled eggs, LOTS of bacon, and mound of "home fries" (chopped up french fries). One night after getting back late, I just wanted some juice. Went to a little nearby shop -- none to be had. So I got a jug of "blue." Cost maybe a couple dollars and tasted like melted popsicles. Then, on our last day, I just wanted an APPLE. We stopped by a "market" in what looked like a nice part of town and the produce section was a cellophaned orange, a cellophaned banana, and a cellophaned head of broccoli. I remember thinking that if I lived there, it would be nearly impossible to have a healthy diet. The only vegetables I saw were when our director sprung for us to have dinner one night at a fancy restaurant. But then the instant we got back across the border, I got a gorgeous fresh caprese salad AT A TRUCK STOP.
Yeah this. All these bullies are assuming this mother has knowledge of nutrition or appropriate proportions and so on. It’s very irrational on their part. I’m hopeful that this person/lady/mom gains the knowledge she needs to improve her family’s health. She appears to already be doing the work of preparing meals and such. It seems like she cares.
Knowledge about nutrition and portion sizes is just common sense. There's plenty of free information on the internet if she needs it. But everyone knows fruit, vegetables, grains, oatmeal and roasted poultry(with skin removed) is good for you. The other stuff is bad for you. There, not rocket science. 🚀
@@facthunt2facthunt245 This is a very naive comment. There are plenty of food companies taking full advantage of people like you with only a superficial grasp of food and nutrition. They plaster their highly processed products with pretty labels like "all natural" that have no real meaning. Granola has an enormous amount of fat and sugar. But they slap "whole grains" on the box or name their brand something like "Nature's Bounty" and people think "must be healthy!"
@@i_brought_a_flowerwho cares? Again, we have one small view into this woman's situation. We don't know the full, complex details of her human life. Basically what I'm saying is we should mind our business and stop making wild assumptions on data so limited it's effectively useless. EDIT: I watched your RUclips Shorts. Your work truck is really dirty and poorly kept. However, using your logic, you're a full ass adult so why didn't you do it yourself? You hired someone to do it (poorly) for you. Why did you do that when you have fully functioning hands? Are you ready for public criticism over this? If they catch on are you ready for people assuming you're lazy, disgusting, and dirty? Are you ready for people to insert their own fanfic about you based on exactly two pieces of information? Probably not, so I'd be careful throwing this kind of shit in your comment around.
@@ChristopherSadlowski I mean, yeah dude that's very fair to say. Those videos made me feel like such a failure being a single mom that can't afford the best 😢
@@ChristopherSadlowskidid you really just compare a truck to a child? Who cares about an inanimate object. Other than pure ignorance, she has zero excuses to be feeding her children donuts.
@@Vasilia4 if your parents fed you a donut when you were a child, even just once, you should be legally allowed to sue them for everything they've ever owned and they should be sent to jail for life /s (you sound like this, an idiot)
I saw Kiki's video on this, and I couldn't stop rolling my eyes. You are literally the first person I've seen actually talk about the facts. And people think donuts are a breakfast food anyways.... 🙄 not sure when there became an age limit on eating donuts. Or is it because it's not from Krispy Kreme but from a bag you buy at Walmart?
Those bags of donuts are always at gas stations, some probably sell both brands. I’d have no qualms about buying both at the same time regardless of the store lol
Dutch people literally eat chocolate sprinkles on white bread for breakfast yet they don’t get shamed on the internet for it because the Netherlands is perceived as a “thin” country while the US is perceived as being “fat and lazy”. So many people ignore the ways the US is built to keep you from maintaining your health. There are highways here that prevent walking even just a mile. There’s no public healthcare system ensuring we have access to dietitians. It’s just not that easy. I don’t think she knew how to feed them differently in the beginning, that’s probably how she grow up eating. Once she did the meals got healthier. She’s not the best cook but people were shaming her still for feeding the kid’s eggs which people demanded in the first place. The eggs were just ugly looking but they were still edible. Who throws away food because its a little overcooked or came out ugly?
I agree but also this diet isnt any different than majority of public school food ive eaten like this my whole life and so have the majority of the ppl comment fatphobic bs to her , the biggest issue is that shes plus size cooking like that ive been skinny for my whole life and ate exactly like her kids i never got shi from my mother other than 2 times in my life when i was eating nothing but meat and another were i was eating nothing but starch however my plus size brother always had doctors never listen to him and my mother when talking about his issues it was always brushed away as "just loose weight" my mother use to make my brother go on terrible diets that ofc never helped bc it was so restrictive they would talk bad about how big he was etc it wasnt until last last month 3 yearz of me being vegan and 6 months of activly gaining weight frim 155-191 lb for them to say im "unhealthy " and my sister shouldnt be eating what im eating or else shell be big , mind you my sister eats chicken nuggs and fries just like every toddler and maybe broccoli on agood day . All that to say its never really about "health" as much as it about shaming fat/mid size people which is extremely rich coming from americans the majority of us are plus size or midsize and eat american processed foods .
The dutch person in me has to defend that a. Not everyone uses white bread. B. Bread in the Netherlands does not have sugar or salt in it. C. The chocolate sprinkles also have less sugar than American sprinkles. I'm not claiming its healthy. But it is less sugar than just donuts. This doesn't mean your points are invalid. They are... just that hagelslag gets a worse rep than Nutella and its waaaaaaay less unhealthy and as a dutchie I cant stand for it
the food in Europe is healthier because their government makes it so. The American FDA makes it so that there is more sugar and chemicals in the food. You can eat the same things in Europe and be skinny then travel to America and gain weight super fast. Our food industry is working with our healthcare system to keep us fat and sick.
thank you for this video, kavernacle. as an obese woman who grew up in poverty and has struggled with finances and living in food deserts off and on my entire life, it was genuinely a relief to hear someone say what i have been thinking every time i see people discuss this mom. even in this comment section, making cruel assumptions about her intentions and motivations. most of those meals were pretty normal poor people food and a mom clearly doing her best w/ her circumstances.
We are overfed and undernourished because our food system is broken. Roundup on wheat, for example. Few other places do this. Prices for healthy, nourishing food are often out of reach for many people. Where I live, the produce is sometimes weeks old and flavorless unless you drop $100 for 20# of produce at Whole Foods or the Farmer’s Market. There are many more options in coastal cities, which is funny, because so much of the nation’s food is produced here. “Food, Inc.” is a great movie about our broken food system.
You can see it from the legacy of the food guide pyramid that is just a hierarchy of which industries paid the most to be on it and not based on actual science
There's no evidence that produce grown with pesticides like Roundup has any negative health effects. It's a compelling narrative that is extremely widespread, but when you actually look at health outcome data of people eating organic vs non-organic, there are no differences in either longevity or disease rates.
ive seen people praise the mom for having a dunkin donut breakfast with their kids. the difference there was that the mom was skinny. fucking fatphobia man...
The amount of sweet large iced coffees from Starbucks that adults are seen drinking daily and praised for are perfectly acceptable. I think u r right. It is because mom does not fit their esthetic. She is trying to do her best as a mom and showing what raising kids actually looks like versus some wanna be relevant clout chasing bragger with a fancy coffee in her hand
Overworked culture has come to rely on processed food so many people dont know how to cook from like scratch and use boxed meals like hamburger helper ect while having no time to cook a home made meal. I still have no idea how to cook most vegetables.
Yeah and these massive companies that make this processed foods, lobby & pay politicians so that laws for changing agricultural, and the nutrition of foods, don't change for the people. They only let laws that help the companies & CEOs. But if food was more nutritional, and ethical, it would help everyone. They just want us sick & addicted.
As someone who has cooked a lot of things from scratch, I recognize just how difficult and time consuming it is. I also grow a lot of my own food, which is itself a full time job, and not everyone has the space, time, or resources to do this. Therefore I don't shame people who can't, when I should instead be asking, what changes need to be made so that more people have the same opportunities?
@alexj-t2331 I took home economics in school but I only remember them "teaching" how to make cookies and home-made ice cream other then that we learned to sew.
Most vegetables can be steamed, boiled, or roasted. chop up and toss in some oil, bake at 425 for like 10 - 20 minutes. Now you can cook most to all vegetables.
In my poor rural hometown, most everyone ate like this. Unless you had and farmed your own land, there was a single grocery, or a few different Family Dollar locations, so very few options. And again- everyone ate this way. It was normalized and it was very difficult to avoid. But unfortunately the quality of the food was the least of anyone's problems- at least there was food. It's easy to judge someone's situation when you've never seen or experienced it firsthand. I wish people would take this as an opportunity to realize their privileges and start a conversation about how to support struggling communities instead of putting all the blame on women. Also, as an adult, I've definitely eaten donuts for breakfast. Don't lie, you all have too.
@@facthunt2facthunt245are you serious? You literally have thousands of Americans each morning stopping at Dunkin’ to bring donuts to work for their coworkers for breakfast. It’s part of the frickin culture at this point. Lol
1. I guarantee you not nearly as many people would care if the mother was thin 2. If anything is worthy of criticism, it’s her doing anything with her kids on camera. Creeps are always looking for that kind of content 3. Kids that young are notoriously picky and sometimes it’s more important to get the kids fed at all than it is to have a balanced meal
@@johnrambo5795when you have little time in your day, you do not have the time or patience to fight with your children over food. You are likely exhausted from working and the commute and are generally burnt out. Have some compassion.
@@grandempressvicky6387 but its literally not good for yourbor your Kids. You make it worse. Compassion does not mean to say that everything someone does is fine and great just because they have reasons
@@johnrambo5795 ok so you have the energy to keep up with your kids after 8 hours of work and very little money on your bank account after bills? If you think that giving in to your child every once in a while is "making them worse" then you must just keep them in the house all day eating what exactly? Healthy food is expensive and may not even exist where you are. Some people don't have time or space to grow their own food. You eat what you have access to. If you actually watched the video or even read other comments you would know that it's survival over everything. Sometimes people pick up bad habits because they have no other choice. You don't know their situation and you probably don't care.
If these people cared so much about what’s being feed to children they should be vomiting blood from anger at how unhealthy food is priced compared to healthy food. A poor person is forced to eat what they can afford so a lot of the time they don’t have a choice but to eat what they can to survive and that should radicalize you, not make fun of the person eating the slop that they are forced to eat.
@@Vasilia4bi ch are u ok? Did you read anything he said lmao. People don’t have income to buy healthy products. You can’t just have oatmeal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner lmaooooooooooooo
@@Vasilia4Do you eat oatmeal everyday? I swear, most of the people commenting negatively are 20 year olds who most definitely aren’t eating broccoli and chicken breasts everyday.
As a Brazilian, açai doesn't have much nutrition either (unless it is the actual fruit) and it's highly caloric and it's mostly packed with sugar when industrialised , people eat it because it's cold and filling, here is mostly a dessert that we top with a bunch of sugary things.
Not defending the people dogpiling on that woman, but there are a lot of things between even the best things she feeds her children and serving them aesthetic acai bowls and chia puddings.
@@sophiethelk9557 I am reading this right while considering to go to my kitchen, take a twice (today) used but for that purpose still clearly clean enough frying pan, and fill it with some ripped up (too lazy to cut) mushrooms and some broken off and crumbled into pieces gruyère cheese. Maybe add an egg to it, too. Not the least expensive ingredients, but I could do something similar involving inexpensive carrots, too, if I had some. Also somewhat calory dense, but not too bad. Not the best, but I could do worse. Also, it will be quick to prepare and require no supervision while it's on the stove. I think - collectively speaking - people online have a very strong tendency to both underestimate the complexity of all kinds of issues and portray problems as harder to solve than they are.
It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
@@gillypiexoas a grown up kid of a lovely woman who had undiagnosed narcolepsy and fibromyalgia for my entire childhood, I know it doesn't fix everything but I don't think it gets said often enough, giving whatever you can means so much more than you'll probably ever realize. The system might be built to make you feel inadequate but it's never your fault the body you were born into or the bumps and dings it's picked up since you've been in it and you deserve so much more 💜
@@gillypiexo our single mom had similar struggles 😔 hang in there! It means (or will mean) a lot to them even if they haven't realized it yet or can't communicate it! ❤
@@gillypiexoI'm sorry for your situation and for the fact that you live in a society that doesn't help you, I even get why you have empathy for the mother in this video, but that doesn't mean she is in your situation. I really hope your life gets better.
I think FunkyFrogBait is actually them/they fyi. Really appreciate this video! I love how your contrarianism allows you to see past the bandwagon and defend people even if they're not perfect =)
It's not. But at least those parents can claim ignorance, due to the deceptive marketing of predatory corporations. Everyone KNOWS that donuts and candy are unhealthy
i don’t think feeding your kids bad food is good, but there’s a bigger issue at hand. poverty and bad food options in the stores is the real problem! i had this convo on twitter a few months ago and the amount of people who called her “fat” instead of just using real logic is appalling.
Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the most obese countries are remote Pacific Islands that are unable to maintain agriculture thanks to global warming and have to import overly processed foods
I’d like to tack education onto that as well. Even if a person has the tools available to them doesn’t mean they know how to use them. Eating healthy can be so mind numbingly boring and hard to make taste good if you don’t know how to cook. Even the culinary education I got only covered how to bake an apple in a microwave but not actual food science which is should be what is focused on instead. Even gym classes which should also focus on aspects of food when it comes to fueling your body gets totally skimmed over in favor of just making them run around a bunch instead. Nutritional education in the US is so lost in the weeds of lobbying by major food conglomerates such as the dairy and meat industries in schools all the way up to the fact that junk food is scientifically made to be addicting and yet we yell at individuals for being addicted and not yelling at our legislators to stop allowing these companies to be so harmful to people in their practices
Unless people have a bachelor's and 10 years of nutritional health and offer her their services they've lost their humanity and empathy. It's also incredibly inappropriate to exploit her for clicks and views for them to profit from.
Thank you for pointing out how they're exploiting her. It drives me up the wall how these channels will concern troll over her "exploiting" her children somehow, while they're the ones doing the exploitation. They're exploiting her, and by pretending they care so much about her kids, they're exploiting the kids too.
I live in Puerto Rico, a modern day colony of the US. We have a supermarket close by our house, so technically not a food desert, except because of the Jones Act, all the goods shipped to PR have to be shipped from a US port. We could have fresher, healthier produce more widely available if we could get produce from neighboring countries, so if congress prioritized the citizens of their colony over the dock workers lobbyists who keep the Jones Act alive. Instead, we have food that is already rotting by the time it gets to our supermarket shelves.
Thank you for this. I’m recovered from an***xia which almost killed me but also a picky eater without time to prepare meals so I eat a lot of processed food. It’s so triggering and frustrating to see people shaming food choices under the guise of “caring” without any genuine analysis
people really dont understand that binge eating is an ED as well, and the last thing you do is food shame someone with an ED either that or they dont care, and just want to feel good virtue signaling
Same as someone who is chronically underweight and only recently got back to a comfortable body weight, it is hard to do and I don’t have the damn energy, so it is either starve or eat the unhealthy food.
Weird. Serving your kids those donuts for breakfast isn't terribly different from giving them a bowl of sugary cereal. This is not unique, not in the US, and I think not in a lot of the world, as ultra-processed foods finds its way into the food supply of more countries. I eat pretty badly (in terms of high carb consumption), but I cook everything that I eat at/from home from scratch or lightly processed ingredients. Most of the things on grocery store shelves disgust me -- even the things I still like the taste of (Oreo cookies).
in the day and age in the US of A, survival seems to be where the future is heading, the way there are single moms, single parents, often have to work full time or two jobs to support a family how long will these cringy gossip and commentary channels stop this madness, there are way worse individuals out there to be documented, actual abusive parents
She seems like a decent mother who is feeding her children although she may not have many cooking skills or understanding of nutrition or the time to cook from scratch. Unless you are in her exact situation or have anything constructive to say to help her, shut your mouth.
I always joke that my mom has to fight her Irish urge to BOIL EVERYTHING. I'm not sure how I grew up liking vegetables because if she gets her hands on them, she reduces them to piles of mush. That's what my "home-cooked" meals were like growing up. I preferred TV dinners and we ate a lot of takeout.
It's cheaper and less time consuming to buy crap highly processed food at the supermarket. Forget the cost of electricity and gas cooking food from scratch. If you're poor the choice is obvious.
@@Vasilia4fruit is not available everywhere and it's often expensive depending on where you are, stop spamming your bad solution and just say you hate fat people already.
You also have to consider the cost of driving to the store. Some low income families don't even have vehicles, so trips to the store are few and far between. This means they have to buy things that have a longer shelf life, which are canned and processed foods. Even if fresh produce is available, it spoils pretty quickly.
Of all the awful hyper materialistic and consumerist and irresponsible parents using their kids to go viral... She's certainly not TiCkToCk's "worst mum". Far from it.
I’m pleasantly surprised she breaks it up for them. I’m not a parent but I could see a lot of parents skipping that step bc their kid hasn’t had trouble before
If I wanted to watch some this bullying-adjacent, unproductive and empty dogpiles from the creators in the video, I'd be watching some of the hip reactionaries and "centrists" that have nothing to add to anything they talk about, but it's actually sad to see that from some left leaning or liberal creators I used to respect, I think that mayyyybee setting some higher standards in this space would be beneficial
Was not expecting a FunkyFrogBait shoutout - but yes! I love FFB exactly because I know these shitty behaviours will get called out in a respectful way, AND I don't have to actually download tiktok to keep up with whatever new insanity is going on there...
The biggest thing for me is that so many people talk about how "bad" or "unhealthy" some of the food is. Food is neutral, and you're not a bad person for eating a certain food. This is something I learned during my ED recovery. It really changed my mindset. Instead, food can be more nutritious and less nutritious. It's simply fuel for your body. Do we know how active her children are? Shaming someone isn't going to do anything to change them. This mom is really doing her best, and it makes me furious that so many people are dogpiling on her.
@@sophitiaofhyrule Exactly. When I was in my last year of high school, my mother made just a tiny bit too much money to disqualify me from free lunches. She often didn't bother giving me money for lunch. It's a wonder I made it through high school, because I was hungry all the time. Once, I even passed out and got a concussion because I hadn't eaten anything that day. I would rather a kid have something less nutritious than go completely hungry and develop health problems.
Exactly. Our behaviours with food can be healthy/good or unhealthy/bad. Food is by definition "healthy" because it all has calories and nutrients. A chocolate cake is not "unhealthy." Eating an entire one in a single sitting is.
It is just always shocking to me that all of these people criticizing this woman can never look at anything from an empathetic point of view. They’re all on these high horses and they claim they care but it’s so obvious that they simply do not.
As an AMAB, this is one of many reasons why I absolutely hate patriarchy and esp. American male conservatism: it's a display of complicity to the inherent contradiction of capitalism. Thus, leading up to the normalization of behavior like this one. I don't think more people in the US (and the West in general) realize how toxic views like that also profoundly influence parents and youths in the Global South as well (I'm Indonesian), where the socio-economic inequality is still very prevalent here😭
Quite true. I really appreciate seeing that more & more people are speaking the truth & speaking up. It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
No one cared when I ate unhealthy bullshit when I was a kid and no looked down on my parents over it either. Obviously healthy food is better for all of us, but they don't really care about her kids, that's just the excuse that they use so that they can talk shit about her because they want to feel morally superior to her because of her weight. They probably wouldn't do a better job of feeding her kids if given the chance and if they have kids of their own they probably aren't doing any better either. They don't care about the health outcomes of her children they care about making her feel bad in order to feel better about themselves.
All I have to say is that my mom had a hard time getting any sort of breakfast in me so if I had a chocolate chip cookie, she was fucking happy at least there was something in my stomach before I went to school or before I started my day
My nephew is basically underweight and malnourished and the doctor told my brother that he just needed to get him eating anything he could even if it’s unhealthy.
My parents were convinced I had an eating disorder as a teen because I never ate breakfast and barely ate lunch. I was like, "uh, you force me to get up early every day and spend hours in a place I hate where I get bullied relentlessly for just existing, there are 45 kids per class, and all the arts programs have just been cut." It was sheer stress. My stomach was clenched like a fist all day until the bus ride home. Then I'd sit on the couch, watch Fresh Prince, and inhale whatever junk food was in the cupboards (I remember once just microwaving a couple handfuls of marshmallows as a "snack").
@@zammmerjammer OMG, are we the same people because that’s why I didn’t eat either!!! I told my mom that and that’s why she didn’t care as long as I got something in my system she didn’t care.
Also the same people who are okay with younger folks being clubbed for protesting the genocide of gaza... Also the same people who are okay with kids working dangerous jobs in their early teens... Also the same people who are okay with women having no abortion rights... And also the same people who are okay with getting them into war as soon as possible. Or the prison system... Whatever helps capital...
@@ottosantiagolassus Let's not pretend that judging these parents in this way is anything but self-gratification. A way to make themselves feel good, superior. It literally does nothing more than stroke one's ego, and changes nothing.
@@sproductionsincI think comments like the first one I replied to and yours are just made to make yourselves feel like better and morally superior people. It just feels disingenuous and unhelpful. That’s all.
as someone who is a millenial and a teen in the 2000s, its very odd to see all the fat bullying coming back on tiktok , like kt never went away, but it seems to have boomeranged around louder since the 2010s. A lot of americans eat poorly because we have a for-profit food distribution system... I used to think like the people shaming the mom, maybe when I was 14 and dealing with eating disorder habits, but i hadnt realized the privilege i had where i lived, where fresh veggies and meat is widely available. Now that im in my 30s ans understand how food affordability is a big issue now, I think a doughnut and apple sauce as a snack is better than starving her kids. Hope the stores near her can get some frozen fruits and veggies or veggie chips, at least! But its true in many neighborhoods around the country, the only food to really eat is UPF.
I don't think you need to be a parent, but if you ignore the realities of being a parent in the analysis calling her a 'bad mom' rings pretty hollow especially when its based on like one TikTok you saw
Everyone has been a child who needed a caretaker. Not everyone has to be a parent to know that kids will generally want good quality food and love. That said, haters should try to be more realistic and compassionate about the food landscape.
You don't need to be a doctor to realize that denying health care to someone is a crime. Do the math. Negligence is also a crime. Making your kids sick is crime. "It takes a village to raise a child" so yeah, anyone can judge based on science.
i saw a comparison video of the comments under her videos vs. the comments under this typical suburban rich ladies comments (she also was feeding her kid donuts) and it was night and day. classism and pretty privilege are real
💔What happened to humanity? Haters will continue to play gate keeper & fat shame! She's NOT the worst mom its just their justification to judge,bully, and continue to be BIGOTS! I live in the United States& this is fat shaming a single mom. I say 💯GOOD on this mom/creator to keep her children off camera & protect their identity. Also, she had the confidence to be a content creator to help support her kids. side note yes, our food regulation is poo!
Bizarre how the for-profit, publicly-traded corporations hellbent on expanding their market cap by maximizing their profit margins keep investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong isn't it? 😂
Tbh I had forgotten about her after watching Froggy's video, and now seeing this again I just think like.. what if she's giving the kids a treat? And you're right! We haven't see what the kids look like! But even then its none of my business is it? I'd rather have a fat happy child instead of a malnourished one that despises me
Donuts aren't worse than a bowl of candy wet with milk that we call cereal, or pancakes or eggos laden with maple syrup, or any staples of the American breakfast. The average American diet is terrible no matter class, and that bullying is unnecessary.
I have a daughter, I'm married and we both work. Sometimes it's just about getting them fed with something, either it's a tough and busy day or they won't eat the food you make, etc. These people criticising are all people without kids themselves, or people with kids who have more free time than the average. I'll admit, we haven't always fed the healthiest but we're trying to raise our daughter without a weird relationship to food
Definitely people without kids, or kids who aren't unbelievably picky. I'd love my own son to eat healthier foods, but he just won't eat them, and even if he will eat broccoli one time during one week, if I make it a few days later, he hates it. A good portion of kids are like this (they enjoy something one day, then couldn't care less about it within a week), and parents are just trying desperately to find out what they'll actually eat, otherwise they will just not eat at all. "Just put healthy food in front of them and if they get hungry enough, they'll eat!" Some have never tested the stubborn will of a two-year-old.
I may be in the minority, but I think she is rage baiting for the clicks, which is brilliant, imo. Good for her! It’s getting engagement. I hope she is monetized and getting paid. I grew in the most southern region of Alabama and we ate a lot of homemade meals. We weren’t rich, but my grandmother grew her own food and raised chickens. We ate what was cooked and kept it moving. I am not wealthy by no means, I budget hard but I still cook my own food. I buy ingredients that can stretch a meal for an entire week. But I think it comes down to socioeconomics and childhood. My parents cooked and it was passed down to me. Now I only cook the food I eat with a rare treat for gross McDonald’s or Pizza Hut. I don’t think she’s doing all that bad but the food is unappealing in my opinion. And if she is not rage baiting, I just think she needs help on how to shop on a budget. I have found a lot of deals in DG Market and Kroger. All I care is her kids being feed.
I think so too, she sells stuff and she has a lot of views because of it, and if she can deal with the negativity, good for her, if true she wins the Internet.
My dad’s breakfast was frosted flakes with a spoonful or two of extra sugar. Snacks would require an essay to explain. His favorite dinner was anything he didn’t have to cook, thus I had to cook the unhealthy options he taught me to cook for him so he didn’t have to parent. I also had to go grocery shopping with him every week and both responsibilities started long before I was old enough to really grasp things like nutrition and meal prep. I lived with my mom 50% of the week so it wouldn’t have been very feasible anyway. My mom bought a lot processed foods but she put in effort to include healthier stuff, and had way less money (and more stress) than my dad. I still learned to cook alright and generally understand nutrition. However I can’t stand cooking for the most part. And I still have both a sweet tooth and basically a life long addiction to sugar (which I’m slowly improving) courtesy of my dad and his sugar laden kitchen in particular. I don’t find this mom to be outside of the norm much at all. It seems so unlikely to me that she is baiting
Another irony here is that a lot of the foods that would be considered perfectly fine to feed kids are loaded with sugar, fat, and processed ingredients. They're just not as obvious, because most people don't think twice, and don't know what goes into prepared foods.
I've gotten out of a several year long depressive slump and started making tea for myself instead of my mom doing it for me (which was very helpful ^^). I didn't realize just how much sugar went into things, until I was adding small portions of sugar into my tea and feeling unsatisfied. Then it led me thinking to, again, just how much sugar goes into everything, and I was horrified. I think if more people had the time and money and space to make food from scratch, or at least food imitating processed foods, they'd finally realize what they consider to be acceptable suddenly isn't. Unfortunately, I can only imagine that'll lead to a trend of mocking people in person and online for buying certain things, because when has it ever not been cool quirky and fun to degrade the poor?
It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
Since you're talking about food politics, I must recommend Marion Nestle's book "Food Politics". No relation to Nestlé. From 1986 to 1988, she was senior nutrition policy advisor at Department of Health and Human Services.
ive seen this mom and its not okay to feed young children unhealthy food especially regularly even if its not all the time. Whether she is skinny or fat, it's still bad. Shes still feeding them unhealthy processed foods when they're at the age where they should be eating as healthy as possible. donuts are not a breakfast meal. There are millions of families who are poor and rely on places like mcdonalds and fast food but that doesnt excuse that its bad and i think its worse to not give your child a balanced diet if you have the money to do such
I usually enjoy the anti MLM content that the RUclipsr you mentioned posts. When her video was first posted i was very confused because of the level of judgement. It felt under researched and biased and it made me question all of the content i had consumed from her previously even though she was giving important information.
this seems very in line with what I know families in poverty to eat- that brand of donuts is literally served at schools as part of free breakfast in my state. chicken nuggets, mini donuts, fries, frozen veggies, and pasta are some of the most affordable foods, looks like the sort of things you'd find at Dollar Tree, which is a store where every item is $1 (or used to be before inflation...now it's more like $1.50 tree)
The commentary from the blonde lady criticizing her at the beginning of the video cracks me up. With all the cosmetics, makeup and chemicals applied to her face and hair, arguably increasing her risk of cancer, it is funny to hear her talking about what’s healthy to do and what we are teaching kids lol 😂.
I literally commented on Kiki's video about how trival it was when at the time, it had just came out how Palestinians in Gaza were eating weeds to survive.
Just an FYI I'm pretty sure FunkyFrogBait uses they/them pronouns. Also I actually thought Obese to Beast's video was fairly sympathetic? He does talk about class and his own background in an impoverished household and how he was fed as a child and that she's making the effort to feed her kids.
Kiki makes really good anti-scam content, but she hardly does that anymore and mostly makes mean judgey stuff now. Makes me wonder how much of her anti-scam stuff is really just made because scammers are acceptable targets
People moralize weight to an insane degree. Giving your kid a sugary breakfast makes you the most evil mom on earth but hitting them and calling them a burden is normal apparently.
im not very far into the video yet, but i wanna point out that funkyfrogbait uses they/them pronouns! i know you only mentioned them briefly but i think its worth correcting.
It doesn't matter, no one was using they/them pronouns 20 years ago. If you're truly gender neutral then you wouldn't care what pronouns are used for yourself because you'd be indifferent to the concept of gender.
I think even if you're not in a food desert, having to get in the car and drive to the store versus being able to just walk over easily causes a divide with fruit. I almost never buy fruit. I have frozen fruit, but that really isn't good for eating raw. Buying fresh fruit is a pain because you have to eat it so quickly, even if it's refrigerated. I think it'd be different if going to the store was significantly easier. I'm within walking distance but even then I have to cut through grass and jaywalk to get there. It's not really feasible for a simple snack - it's much easier to buy food that doesn't rot within a few days and leave it in your pantry for when you're feeling a little peckish.
Another thing about food deserts In the US; even in small or mid sized cities food deserts still exist bc you usually need a car to go to a grocery store and transport your groceries, especially if youre feeding more than one or two people. Its really insane!
An urban Midwestern neighborhood I lived in for a few years became a food desert after the only grocery store closed. It was a little over a mile from me and I don’t drive. I think the next closest store was 3 miles away. Said neighborhood is in the city where one of the biggest US grocery store companies is headquartered. And the grocery store that closed was one belonging to that same company.
Btw, caldoeslife's video was really sympathetic and kind to the woman! Just a small correction bc his video was so refreshing to watch after seeing the hateful ones
One issue is that we subsidize certain crops, primarily cereal grains like corn and wheat. These are easier to produce in large quantities, so farming corporations tend to focus on them. Once they have the grains, it's in their interest to produce food items with incredibly long shelf lives, so they fill them up with preservatives, salt, and a ton of sugar to give them some kind of flavor. They're full of calories, short of nutrients, and incredibly cheap. If you're poor and looking to stretch your dollar, you might be forced to choose those products out of necessity.
Michelle was being dramatic to mimic what people were saying online, that wasn't her just being an absolute maniac in the beginning like it looks out of context 😂
@felixwiegel320 yeah, her opinion doesn't even line up with the others who shit on what the original lady feeds her kids... I think she was done kinda dirty in the intro
"I'll have you know my parents never taught me anything about bullying, I learned it all on my own." I'm sorry, I know you said no hate, but the proud way she said this was disgusting... Like, congratulations for peaking in high school, I guess? "You go Glen Coco" and all that... Both me and my bf were raised in 2nd world countries, me in Europe and him in Central America. Not even 3rd world. 2nd. Both my parents had to work full-time. My older brother too. My meals during the week were soup because my mom could make it in big batches and freeze it, taking one out of the freezer every week. She had to do this to be able to buy groceries when there were discounts. It was the only way we could afford meat. Whenever I'm in survival mode, my go to meal is soup. I was raised to look at food as a tool for survival. As energy. I still don't see food as a treat to this day. The only way my bf and his family had access to drinkable water growing up was by getting water from a distribution truck once a week. He doesn't live there anymore, but his hometown still depends on water distribution trucks. We were kids in the 90's and early 00's. It wasn't as long ago as people think. America is right there, next to his country, and this is how the people in his hometown live to this day. Even now, the way that my bf treats himself on pay-day is by buying himself a nice chunk of salmon to cook. That's his little luxury every month. Mine is Master Kong, a Chinese bottled tea brand, now that I finslly have access to Chinese grocery stores. Our luxuries are vulgar to a lot of people. These people are so obscenely out of touch. I guess poverty is over now because we have smartphones. It's really gross to frame this woman's tiktok as a grift when there are more than enough videos of her taking the actual good advice that people have given her to improve the meals while taking into account her situation. It's even grosser to imply that this woman is doing this on purpose to make her children fat because she's fat too. If you imply that about someone without evidence it's going to tell me more about you than this mom. And what the hell is wrong with juice puree packets? My brother works abroad and brings that for his kid when he's off work for a few months, I've seen the ingredient list and there's nothing obscenely unhealthy in them. I'm one of those fussy uncles, I check the packaged food a lot. It's a good way to get kids to eat fruit if you can't afford a blender and they are being fussy about eating chopped fruit. It's a decent desert or snack. Good grief...
i occasionally fall into the tiktok rabbit hole by the way of youtube "shorts"--they're, well, short and you don't have to invest much brain power. i've noticed recently the practice of "creators" inserting themselves into someone else's video and yapping and yapping and yapping. i feel all these concerned citizens are yappers, earning money off of someone else's content under the guise of faux expertise. i would simply fall off my chair laughing (LMFAO i believe is the current terminology all the kids is a'usin') if the sound of the kids is a recording added in editing. thank you.
I really appreciate you making a compassionate video advocating for this mom. I hadn’t seen her before this video and have no attachments to her but I know she’s doing her best. In our activism, we advocate for the marginalized, skin color, sexuality, ethnicity, but we are really dropping the ball when it comes to advocating for Fat People. Fat People are one of the largest demographics that can legally be discriminated against across the board. This is a huge topic that is being largely ignored. While there are points I disagree with you on in this video, you really did a great job. Thank you.
Come on now, Michelle McDaniels never called the mother a terrible mother. She’s clickbait and states at the start of her videos what the discourse is. She at most said that the mom is not setting her children up to have a good relationship with food. Michelle has a huge fat girl following and we all generally agree with her takes. The only people she full on calls out for being terrible people are People like Pearl and Big Ed.
Remember the conservative outrage about Michelle Obamas healthy school food initiative
Omg yes. They got so freaking mad that she wanted to feed kids broccoli instead of gloop.
@@maybemablemaples2144 I do love gloop though, especially blue raspberry
@@caseykiesling4348 I do too but my IBS sure didn't lol. If there weren't so many additives in stuff I could eat more stuff without dying in the bathroom.
what was the reasoning for that outrage anyways? in what world where a project with the goal of making children healthier can be perceived as a bad thing???
Tbf, I grew up eating all those "healthy" school foods. It tasted terrible, to the point where I didn't eat at school (and skipped breakfeast for home life reasons). I would've taken terribly unhealthy but good tasting over bad tasting healthy food that I wasn't going to eat. (They were outraged for different, more racial, reasons though. I'm sure of that.)
Online bullies: "we care about the health of your child"
Also online bullies: "We don't want our taxes wasted feeding hungry school children, that's their parent's problem!"
Yep, how many times have I heard this? Countless.
Quite literally but I'm not sure those are All of the same people.
Not even remotely true. I am apalled by the fact that she feeds her child doughnuts AND I want people to be able to afford feeding their children.
Having said that, it's way cheaper to buy oatmeal than donuts
@@Vasilia4 You can't say it isn't remotely true when I see it constantly.
@@gillypiexo Oh they are.
Not this video specifically, but I remember when this happened a couple months back with another mom with 2 kids who gave them a big slice of pizza, a handful of barbecue flavored potato chips, and blueberries for lunch. In response to all of the backlash, the video got a community note on Twitter that was basically like “it’s not bad parenting to give kids pizza for lunch.” Not to mention that the woman was very likely in her mid-20s at the oldest, and background of the video suggested that they were living in like a trailer home. It’s disgusting how despised poor people are in our society
I’m pretty certain my school had pizza available every day for lunch along with a daily alternative. We also had a snack cart for buying chips, cookies, etc
Pizza for lunch is extremely normal for kids. I got it pretty often in my upper-middle-class household, but somehow that was never a problem.
"It's not bullying to tell someone to feed their kids healthily"
The message is irrelevant. It is bullying to have social media dogpile on someone and publicly humiliate them.
EDIT: It is amazing to me that those who are here to criticise the woman either didn't watch the video, or did watch it, but failed to hear or understand what was said, and simply repeat the same tired old platitudes of moral superiority.
None of which justifies the bullying SMH
Exactly, and I doubt most of these people care about the overall factors that cause people to buy and serve unhealthy foods. How many people doing this would consider themselves anti-capitalist? hardly any
Sometimes bullying is necessary and good, and if that’s what it takes to get her to care about her kids idgaf. Her and her awful partners consistently eat better and she spends thousands on bullshit hauls so she can invest in better food for her kids.
Also, she’s farming rage content because it makes her money so I feel even less bad telling her she’s a shitty person.
@@TheKavernacleyeah they literally don't because they aren't in the situation where you can't afford to buy the most healthy, and or don't have chronic health conditions that add to the obstacles. 😢
@@TheKavernacleliberals believe in individual failures not in terms of social systems and institutions. This is why socialism grew out of early sociology (social science) and the social critiques and reforms that followed. Liberalism thought the problem was too much government and not enough individual freedom. Which yes that was true especially when struggling against monarchies and feudal aristocracy. But they stopped there and had little to address social and structural issues that persist. Limited government and free enterprise didn’t solve economic disparities, racism, patriarchy etc…
The problem is that TicTok is a breeding ground for _trolls._ There are lots of these accounts where somebody appears to be making straight up trash *specifically* to trigger a response for engagement.
This is a non-issue.
On reddit recently, people were arguing a 6yr old killer should have been locked up for life and getting annoyed when others mentioned his life in extreme poverty, his single mother working 2 jobs so he lived in his uncle's LITERAL crackhouse etc. Theyd literally lynch one 6yrold and say problem solved than address childhood hunger, systemic issues, and the degrading impact of poverty on entire communities. Its easier to blame one mom, one kid, etc than address a sick society.
Very good comment.
I mean, two things can be right at the same time. Those things are at the core obviously and should be handled with care. But I wouldn’t want that lil monster running around either. Although he doesn’t deserve death. Life, maybe depending how he progresses. But he would need extensive therapy and work before even thinking of letting him out. Unfortunately neither of those things will be addressed for this child and any others that will come after him.
@spicymayo623 little monster? You don't even know what that child has been through jfc.
@@spicymayo623ngl calling a child a little monster is crazy , our society of so stuck on carceration we act as tho even the mere mention of not locking someone up even is they wre a child is crazy , their are plenty of ways to deal with crime that isnt locking a human in a box for the rest of their lives , humans dont like captivaty its why jail is used as punushment by other humans but all it does inturn is make what ever problem got them there even worst or create new ones ei trauma , SA , criminal record , americans are ao far behind on understanding inceration yet we have the highest rate on earth .
@@spicymayo623 Imagine thinking a 6 year old should be locked up for life. Can tell you're an American
The stuff she was serving her kids is literally what was served to us in school lunches. If people are so upset about this one mom, why aren't they more upset about what our public schools are feeding millions of kids around the whole country?
Let’s poll her critics and see how many of them support increasing nutrition assistance for families, or having tighter regulations on the ingredients in our food.
Make nutrition and/or life skills classes a requirement in middle school/high school
crickets.
@@franjkavno sorry, you gotta learn that racism has expired and that Shakespeare is someone you should know.
Idk why certain aspects of English can't just be the language, and not topics that better relate to art. Prioritize teaching kids how to budget money, sex education to prevent/circumvent pregnancy + rape, gardening, literally anything else.
@@Vesperad0 most of those skills should be taught by the parents, they're the ones raising the kids not the teachers
@@bridieeleanor but not every parent is gonna do that for their kid
People really aren’t community minded. If they’re so upset and care about the kids, donate to her or try to get in touch with her and help her get healthier foods for her children?? Like what is bullying her on the internet and calling her a bad mom going to accomplish for the kids they claim to care so much about
It worked though. She stopped posting that bullshit and started cooking healthier meals for her kids.
No excuse to be a vicious raging piece of shit, as some are, but the criticism is valid.
I was thinking similarly - if the priority here really was the health of the children, then having a quiet word with her would do more to accomplish that than public shaming. Also, one of the people said 'she's just rage-baiting' - in which case, advertising the rage baiter to your audience will drive more people to her, thereby encouraging her to keep feeding her kids this stuff. The best thing to do for the kids is NEVER 'make a video'.
I'm not sure where she is but this is the typical diet of a Midwestern suburban lower middle class family. When I grew up it was like this. Junk food, frozen food, eating out. sodium and sugar galore. It's a hard cycle to break. It took me a good 3 years of adult cooking to cut out the salt. It's time consuming to eat well.
Yeah I wish I could afford to buy & cook fresh foods more 😢
But salt is delicious 😋. I keep telling myself I gotta start using half the salt now that I'm pushing 40 😩. Shit is getting real and I can't eat the way I want to anymore. My weight is fine, but I know I need to make positive changes for my health.
I slightly disagree on time consuming to eat well after losing weight for 2.5 years. We get frozen veggies that you can put in the microwave and fairly health entrees that we can pop in the oven if we’re too tired to put something on the stove. We used to think oh we have no time to eat healthy. Really, it was lack of education and quite honestly, prioritization. The only reason I was able to learn ways to eat healthy when busy was by my doctor. Most people think they have to eat fresh produce and that they’re not allowed balance. I still struggle with binging and eating crap food a little too much at times. Luckily, instead of giving up, I say “hey let’s try again tomorrow.” It’s sad to watch our society get more sick each day from ultra processed food.
@@LLCoolJ_25 yeah. I can agree that cooking is faster in some regards but some people will nuke 2 hot dogs in 45 seconds (hint it's me) but I think you need to take the time to learn to cook which a lot of people don't know how to do. I can get a meal together in 15 mins for two if I want to hustle. But I'll take 30 mins top.
@@Indyawillis85 yeah I'm 41. Cut down on salt 14 years ago. Still use it but not as much and my taste buds adjusted. Also using different seasonings like garlic powder, paprika and cumin really make a difference
Still not as bad as starving an entire population but let’s focus on this lady over feeding her kids…
To make things worse, a lot of the discourse around bad diets is incredibly ahistorical. There has never been some kind of golden age when most people ate healthily. Every age of humanity has left skeletons with evidence of health problems caused by poor nutrition, from the Palaeolithic to today. Processed foods and additives aren't new. They've existed for literally thousands of years, and some of the additives used in the past were worse than anything used today. The Romans used to add lead to bread to make it whiter.
Fatty, sugary, salty processed food is bad. But kids growing up in the 1950's ate a load of it as well, and most of them are still alive, despite being in their 70's now. Obesity has increased over the last few decades, but levels of many other diet-related health conditions such as scurvy and rickets have massively declined over the same period.
Junk food is unhealthy and not very nutritious, but it's not 'literally poison'. Lets get rid of it through education, taxation and incentives rather than pretending we can make everyone healthier by publicly shaming random poor people.
People also forget children used to starve, they still do elsewhere, unhealthy food is better than no food, this is always going to be true.
Mmm sawdust
OUR CHOCOLATE IS LITERALLY WAX. We can't even have nice unhealthy foods.
Ok but we still have a massive problem right know. Please don't play it down
@@johnrambo5795 where did that person say that?
She feeds them what you get in a food desert. Which most of the US is
Mist of the US is a stretch. If you can find donuts and marshmallows, you can find milk and oatmeal
@@Vasilia4 The way to tell if the area is a food desert is determined if one can buy fresh fruit and vegetables within walking/biking distance.
I'm lucky and live within walking distance to access fresh fruit and vegetables.
Many people don't have that. Places like Family Dollar and Dollar Tree, that tend to be the only grocery store in small towns, only carry cheap, super processed food.
@@stephaniet1389or a lot of people don’t have the money to buy healthy food. I love that no one considers that food companies literally make it harder to eat healthy even if you wanted to
@@Vasilia4oh honey, you have not lived rurally have you 💀 The gas station carries donuts, there's a gas station in every town. A grocery store is not guaranteed, and if it is it's not always open on weekends, and if your mamas realized the cupboards are bare, look kids, it's donut day!
@@JP_Namesthese people are really missing out on those hostess/entemanns donuts.
Crazy thing is everybody hating on her feeding her kids these sweets probably feed their kids cereal and pop tarts like y’all both do the same thing 😭😭
You don't know that. I'm sure some of them do but there's no way to know.
1000%. I know parents that just stick whatever they can into their kids faces, just to shut them up.
Yes and no. I tend to buy cheerios, and the pop tarts are useful. But, because they're full of sugar, I tend to offer a PBJ or cereal before the pop tart.
On my weekends I try to feed her better. Last weekend I made bacon, hashbrowns and eggs. She only ate the browns.
Fruit is okay. She always wants strawberry's or apples. Bananas are a miss these days and oranges only have moments.
Long story short, I look down on parents who make fat kids but also recognize none of us are health nuts.
We live in one of the most obese countries. A lot of kids get fed all kinds of shit that is terrible for them.
@@andrewprofitt6898pbj is an improvement over a pop tart?
I mean, there's 3 possibilities:
1) A tragedy of poverty and food deserts going public via social media,
2) Rage bait farming for money,
3) Using 2 to try and alleviate 1, which is itself a tragedy.
I honestly think it's 3, but I will reserve final judgment because I don't actually know anything at all about this mom. I did see one video where she reacted to the hate she got about the marshmallows, and she said something like "Did you really think I would feed my kids that many marshmallows? We put most of them back in the package and they had a normal serving." So if we believe her, it's option 2 or 3.
I think it's 2 and 1. She has said before that she gets food from food banks/pantries to feed her children. You don't always get to choose what is provided to you in that circumstance. She's doing everything she can and needs an outlet and she probably should be seeing a therapist rather than posting, but it's his many people cope with their life situations.
@@liz_loves_cats I use food banks as well. As a rule, they don't give out donuts and marshmallows. Usually it's like, dry beans and rice, and canned beets! Seriously.
@@sharimeline3077 I also live in an area with multiple food pantries. Powdered donuts are absolutely available. People take that they need/what is available, and sometimes that is powdered donuts.
@@sharimeline3077 they might not be available in your area due to a lack of community support but they take what they can get here and they distribute it.
Interesting how morally outraged people are over a donut breakfast but when thousands of them are being blown to pieces overseas with our tax dollars, it’s complete silence.
capitalist lover problems lol
They're just sampling the "arsenal of democracy!"
On reddit recently, people were arguing a 6yr old killer should have been locked up for life and getting annoyed when others mentioned his life in extreme poverty, his single mother working 2 jobs so he lived in his uncle's LITERAL crackhouse etc. Theyd literally lynch one 6yrold and say problem solved than address childhood hunger, systemic issues, and the degrading impact of poverty on entire communities. Its easier to blame one mom, one kid, etc than address a sick society.
@@TahtahmesDiary people are so dumb. they refuse to adress the real issue while punishing the result. horrible and i hope this poor boy grows up okay
@@TahtahmesDiary Honestly though. For many, Capitalism is a stronger faith than any religion even when you see the evidence of its failing before your eyes. Most of them can't comprehend how our materialistic lives come at the expense of under-paid laborers all over the planet. Not to mention the natural resources all over the world that are "somehow" under the control of western multi-national corporations. Add onto that the planetary destruction we are bringing upon ourselves with climate change; mostly brought on by fossil fuel industries fighting tooth-and-nail against energy alternatives. Blaming poor people for society's ills is far simpler than understanding the scope of Capitalism's damage.
Ok. There are homeless children, there are homeless families, there are families with children who go to sleep hungry and are dying from starvation, where is the hate for that?! Where are the calls for helping all children get good quality food , where are the calls for changing the state of the world that allows this. Why do people only engaging with community activism through harassing a poor mother, where are they with offering to give them better food?! You can use that anger and disgust for good things and harass local government officials to make the changes needed to make food more affordable. Harassing this one mother will not do that
Thank you dude the cognitive dissonance is scary
That's a good comment. Within capitalism, it's more profitable to hurt and punch down than it is to help and lift up
@@gillypiexo it sure is, because this isn’t a matter of price and y’all are jumping the gun.
Beans, rice, peanut butter, bread. Those alone are better and cheaper options than donuts and marshmallows. Most of y’all never grew up in a poor household and it fucking shows.
There are larger systemic issues at play, but this woman is at fault to a fair degree.
honestly the majority of these people wouldn't say a word about that if the mother was skinny
Of course not, the easiest way to excuse/get away with harassment and bullying is to either do so in the name of ""protecting children"" or ""for health"".
It's never actually about children, and never actually about health. Instead, it was always about control-controlling children to be whatever the parent desires, controlling weight so there's more women/people to dehumanize in a sexual way rather than a violent way.
Because anorexia, especially someone who's "obviously" anorexic with ribs showing, is considered to be healthier than a fat person. As always it's just another silent confession when these types of people say "you're virtue signaling", because when have they ever truly cared?
Those people laugh and desire the death of queer kids, value a shitty drink from starbucks over the lives of (mainly brown) children both overseas and not, and fantasize about abusing future children. Literally whipping them into shape, as if they're using a living human being as a punching bag to get out their pent up anger from most certainly being abused as a child the same way. Let's not even talk about the people actively fighting to keep child marriage, protecting pedophiles/rapists, and forcing rape victims to have children AS CHILDREN. And the possibility of someone not taking care of a child of rape properly, because they see their rapists face everyday? No, their "love and care" ends the moment a child breathes, because they don't do a damn thing for said children of rape being abandoned/abused, for orphans, for young victims of incest, or for adopted children being literally sold off.
Their cares and worries have always been shallow, because as long as there's a ""justifiable excuse for bullying"" (said excuse being the woman's totally sinful weight), then they feel they can say and do whatever. Nobody harassing her is going to lend money so she can properly feed her kids. Nobody harassing her would take her or others in a similar position seriously if she ever explained her life circumstances. No matter what she's committed the sin of not just being fat, but "pushing" that fatness onto her family. If she was skinny, sure there'd be a few people outraged, but the consensus would be more "omg haha look at this quirky mom" or "ugh another female seeking attention". No matter what, she'd never win or be enough to them. Moral of the story is to never trust anyone who has a mental breakdown over a fat or poor person, and that they don't care for children as much as they pretend to.
yup, those bullies don't actually care about the person's health
And how does one get skinny off a junk food diet?
@@linagreenlyfe6705 malnutrition. Happened to me
I have to disagree. She’d probably get less hatred and vitriol but people have and will continue to speak out against stuff like this. Despite what the British guy says donuts are not a typical breakfast in America, nor is it the cheapest breakfast in America. Especially for children.
There's a saying I've heard amongst poorer parents.
"Better fed."
Oftentimes, they know they're not feeding their kids the healthiest stuff, but it's what they can afford, and you're better fed than starving.
Yep, I've also heard 'fed is best', & I wholeheartedly agree.
This is a really rampant sentiment, unfortunately. That is an example of a systemic issue …but donuts still cost as much as a can of beans. Better fed, but better fed actual food that’s subpar quality than “food” that will cause childhood diabetes.
This is a multifaceted issue that people are not approaching with enough nuance.
@@DumplingDoodlenobody is eating beans in the morning!
@@liesel16 maybe not (except yes, they do, plenty of English and Scottish families eat beans for breakfast), but if they don't want beans, eggs or oatmeal are (usually) cheaper than donuts.
@@druelia9485pre-done donuts are faster than things that need to be prepared, the cook time and dishes may also be something she tries to avoid- we don’t know
if anything we should be suggesting healthier, fast, morning snacks, since that’s what she is looking for. grapes, apples, a granola bar, donuts, can all be simply plated
she is insane on the portion sizing, but if the kids are told its ok to stop eating once theyre full, the only issue would be the wasted leftovers
I saw the Kiki Chanel video on this a while back and immediately unsubscribed. I used to like her anti-MLM content, but this particular video had me fuming due to her snotty judgmental attitude that had absolutely no brainpower devoted to why a parent might be serving these foods. I’m really glad to see you give a great response to it. Also loved the FunkyFrogBait shout out, they’re the best!
Yeah, that's the video that made me unsubscribe from her. Her tone is so holier than thou, and it made me feel extremely uncomfortable.
She definitely has a tendency to be a bitch whenever the topic is non-mlm and I wonder why that is. She seems more analytical in her mlm videos, what's holding her back on topics like this? It's weird
She's been doing this for quite some time, and you would think she would some empathy.
I just left another comment about this before I saw yours. This and her video on the kid with ARFID completely soured my opinion on Kiki.
She had an immediate angry reaction to this mom, and instead of examining that, she made an entire video to defend and reinforce that reaction.
Kind of ruins her other videos too. Makes me think she was only talking about scammers because no one gets mad when you trash scammers.
@@Robi-Chaud her concern in both those videos if you watched was mothers exploiting their children for views, which is whats happening in both situations. this unhealthy mom would be making thousands of dollars off these videos and she can't afford some healthy snacks instead of processed unhealthy ones? vegetables aren't that expensive.
Excellent points. Whenever people opine on obesity in America, I get extremely frustrated because so many of them seem to place the blame on the individuals, instead of the systems we have in place that set us up to fail. You hit the nail on the head.
Love how conservatives love blaming obesity on liberal fat acceptance when the top 10 most obese states are all Republican.
If she was skinny they would call her a "fun mom".
Absolutely
It really is genuinely that simple
My dad fed me mostly pancakes when I was growing up, because I was a fussy kid with food texture issues (and eggs smell weird). Whats the difference between pancakes and donuts, really. Same as toaster struddel, waffles, french toast... When I think back to that period of my life, I dont feel like my dad was neglectful because he fed me pancake, i mean the man took time to make them in the shape of pikachu, i felt like a queen.
Yep, a lot of popular breakfast items are just as loaded with sugar and fats, but would be considered perfectly fine to feed kids. Suppose this mother was wealthier, and serving her kids homemade griddle cakes. What do you typically put on those? Maple syrup, butter, powdered sugar, fruit jam-- hey wait, isn't that what they use to fill jelly donuts?
same. i ate pop tarts for breakfast everyday in middle school and no one cared
The Pikachu thing is super adorable, sounds like a parent that cares to me
As a kid I didn’t like desserts much. Breakfast was always tough because I’m my eyes, everyone only ate desserts or eggs. Eventually I was eating reheated frozen veggies and cans of soup for breakfast since I actually liked those
omg thank you, it was just too much. all the people pretending to care suddenly, but on the same hand shame the "trad wives" that are problematic in their own right for making food from scratch. they cant decide or engage with the content in a transformative or informative way
Most people, their only sole personality trait is hating on other people, even to the point of hypocrisy.
Easier the grift, fatter the paycheck. @@DrPonner
I'd say the making food from scratch was the least of an issue, unless it was preventing a child from eating just for aesthetics...
Still. Plenty of more issues with trad wives trying to romanticize a period of time that never existed. Then again what else would you expect from people who don't respect history, and are constantly trying to erase the actions of their forefathers' consequences?
@@Vesperad0 Finally someone that recognizes the fact that what these people call "traditional" lifestyle is not traditional at all, and it barely even occured, all within a very small demographic in the western world. "Tradlife" my @.$.$.
Also, to the OP, the problem with the "tradwife" trend is that it predisposes women to future unemployment, аbú$e, minimal pension, lack of education, insecure social net and unstable personal finances. Nothing to do with how they cook.
The comparison between US food and European food makes me not want to eat processed food ever again. It's so sad that we have been conditioned into eating this slop and then blamed for high obesity rates. I try to eat healthy, but the food here is so terrible. Our only healthy option is overpriced whole foods.
The worst part is when your poor and you cant afford to eat anything but the cheaper processed food
He compared two completely different products. I looked up Quaker Oats Instant Oatmeal Fruit Fusion and these are the ingredients:
Whole Grain Oats, Sugar, Dried Blueberries, Dried Blackberries, Natural Flavor, Salt, Black Carrot Juice Concentrate (Color), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Vitamin E Acetate, Vitamin A Palmitate.
Pretty much the same as the UK ingredients but with some added vitamins. Also the EU has much less stringent rules around food labeling than the US and food labels weren’t even required until 2016 in the EU.
Frozen veggies/fruits are just as healthy as the regular produce items. I switched to getting the bags of just frozen veggies/fruit and it's so much nicer because i don't spend time chopping things or have them go bad in the fridge.
Canned veggies/fruit are also great. You just gotta try to get the no sodium added/light syrup ones for a healthier option. Even if you do get heavy syrup/sodium, you're still gonna get more nutrients than if you bought a microwave dinner.
kiki chanel has been spewing some terrible opinions for a while now. she has been call out by dietians bc of misinformation in bunch of other videos. also personally i can't take anyone who makes 'amazon favorites' type videos seriously...
As an American we are barely taught useful nutrition in schools. I didn’t learn most of what I know about the topic until I was in my late 20s. Our portions and awful and a lot of our food that is affordable is processed. Not to mention that weight and nutrition aren’t as simple as these bullies are making them seem. I have a friend who eats a ton of sweets and can’t gain any weight.
I'm a Canadian and once went on this small tour in Michigan with a children's theatre show. I could not find a vegetable to save my life. The complimentary breakfast at our hotel was scrambled eggs, LOTS of bacon, and mound of "home fries" (chopped up french fries). One night after getting back late, I just wanted some juice. Went to a little nearby shop -- none to be had. So I got a jug of "blue." Cost maybe a couple dollars and tasted like melted popsicles. Then, on our last day, I just wanted an APPLE. We stopped by a "market" in what looked like a nice part of town and the produce section was a cellophaned orange, a cellophaned banana, and a cellophaned head of broccoli.
I remember thinking that if I lived there, it would be nearly impossible to have a healthy diet. The only vegetables I saw were when our director sprung for us to have dinner one night at a fancy restaurant.
But then the instant we got back across the border, I got a gorgeous fresh caprese salad AT A TRUCK STOP.
Yeah this. All these bullies are assuming this mother has knowledge of nutrition or appropriate proportions and so on. It’s very irrational on their part. I’m hopeful that this person/lady/mom gains the knowledge she needs to improve her family’s health. She appears to already be doing the work of preparing meals and such. It seems like she cares.
Knowledge about nutrition and portion sizes is just common sense. There's plenty of free information on the internet if she needs it. But everyone knows fruit, vegetables, grains, oatmeal and roasted poultry(with skin removed) is good for you. The other stuff is bad for you. There, not rocket science. 🚀
@@facthunt2facthunt245 This is a very naive comment.
There are plenty of food companies taking full advantage of people like you with only a superficial grasp of food and nutrition. They plaster their highly processed products with pretty labels like "all natural" that have no real meaning.
Granola has an enormous amount of fat and sugar. But they slap "whole grains" on the box or name their brand something like "Nature's Bounty" and people think "must be healthy!"
@@facthunt2facthunt245 This comment is not only hilariously naive, it's also plain wrong.
Looks like a single mom with two jobs trying to watch her kids and cook something with the small amount of time she has, Very normal here in the US
@@i_brought_a_flowerwho cares? Again, we have one small view into this woman's situation. We don't know the full, complex details of her human life. Basically what I'm saying is we should mind our business and stop making wild assumptions on data so limited it's effectively useless.
EDIT: I watched your RUclips Shorts. Your work truck is really dirty and poorly kept. However, using your logic, you're a full ass adult so why didn't you do it yourself? You hired someone to do it (poorly) for you. Why did you do that when you have fully functioning hands? Are you ready for public criticism over this? If they catch on are you ready for people assuming you're lazy, disgusting, and dirty? Are you ready for people to insert their own fanfic about you based on exactly two pieces of information? Probably not, so I'd be careful throwing this kind of shit in your comment around.
@@ChristopherSadlowski I mean, yeah dude that's very fair to say. Those videos made me feel like such a failure being a single mom that can't afford the best 😢
@@ChristopherSadlowskidid you really just compare a truck to a child? Who cares about an inanimate object. Other than pure ignorance, she has zero excuses to be feeding her children donuts.
@@Vasilia4 if your parents fed you a donut when you were a child, even just once, you should be legally allowed to sue them for everything they've ever owned and they should be sent to jail for life /s (you sound like this, an idiot)
@@Vasilia4you don't know her life to know if she has excuses to do whatever, you don't have an excuse to be a judgemental a$$ and yet you are.
I saw Kiki's video on this, and I couldn't stop rolling my eyes. You are literally the first person I've seen actually talk about the facts. And people think donuts are a breakfast food anyways.... 🙄 not sure when there became an age limit on eating donuts. Or is it because it's not from Krispy Kreme but from a bag you buy at Walmart?
Those bags of donuts are always at gas stations, some probably sell both brands. I’d have no qualms about buying both at the same time regardless of the store lol
Dutch people literally eat chocolate sprinkles on white bread for breakfast yet they don’t get shamed on the internet for it because the Netherlands is perceived as a “thin” country while the US is perceived as being “fat and lazy”. So many people ignore the ways the US is built to keep you from maintaining your health. There are highways here that prevent walking even just a mile. There’s no public healthcare system ensuring we have access to dietitians. It’s just not that easy.
I don’t think she knew how to feed them differently in the beginning, that’s probably how she grow up eating. Once she did the meals got healthier. She’s not the best cook but people were shaming her still for feeding the kid’s eggs which people demanded in the first place. The eggs were just ugly looking but they were still edible. Who throws away food because its a little overcooked or came out ugly?
The thing is if it was the women criticising the video who posted it, people wouldn't care, because they are thin.
I agree but also this diet isnt any different than majority of public school food ive eaten like this my whole life and so have the majority of the ppl comment fatphobic bs to her , the biggest issue is that shes plus size cooking like that ive been skinny for my whole life and ate exactly like her kids i never got shi from my mother other than 2 times in my life when i was eating nothing but meat and another were i was eating nothing but starch however my plus size brother always had doctors never listen to him and my mother when talking about his issues it was always brushed away as "just loose weight" my mother use to make my brother go on terrible diets that ofc never helped bc it was so restrictive they would talk bad about how big he was etc it wasnt until last last month 3 yearz of me being vegan and 6 months of activly gaining weight frim 155-191 lb for them to say im "unhealthy " and my sister shouldnt be eating what im eating or else shell be big , mind you my sister eats chicken nuggs and fries just like every toddler and maybe broccoli on agood day . All that to say its never really about "health" as much as it about shaming fat/mid size people which is extremely rich coming from americans the majority of us are plus size or midsize and eat american processed foods .
The dutch person in me has to defend that a. Not everyone uses white bread. B. Bread in the Netherlands does not have sugar or salt in it. C. The chocolate sprinkles also have less sugar than American sprinkles.
I'm not claiming its healthy. But it is less sugar than just donuts.
This doesn't mean your points are invalid. They are... just that hagelslag gets a worse rep than Nutella and its waaaaaaay less unhealthy and as a dutchie I cant stand for it
the food in Europe is healthier because their government makes it so. The American FDA makes it so that there is more sugar and chemicals in the food. You can eat the same things in Europe and be skinny then travel to America and gain weight super fast. Our food industry is working with our healthcare system to keep us fat and sick.
The sprinkle bread fuckin slaps tho
thank you for this video, kavernacle. as an obese woman who grew up in poverty and has struggled with finances and living in food deserts off and on my entire life, it was genuinely a relief to hear someone say what i have been thinking every time i see people discuss this mom. even in this comment section, making cruel assumptions about her intentions and motivations. most of those meals were pretty normal poor people food and a mom clearly doing her best w/ her circumstances.
A donut has between 10-30 grams of sugar and weighs between 40-110 grams. So they're about 1/3 to 1/4 sugar. The same as breakfast cereal.
We are overfed and undernourished because our food system is broken. Roundup on wheat, for example. Few other places do this. Prices for healthy, nourishing food are often out of reach for many people. Where I live, the produce is sometimes weeks old and flavorless unless you drop $100 for 20# of produce at Whole Foods or the Farmer’s Market. There are many more options in coastal cities, which is funny, because so much of the nation’s food is produced here. “Food, Inc.” is a great movie about our broken food system.
You can see it from the legacy of the food guide pyramid that is just a hierarchy of which industries paid the most to be on it and not based on actual science
There's no evidence that produce grown with pesticides like Roundup has any negative health effects. It's a compelling narrative that is extremely widespread, but when you actually look at health outcome data of people eating organic vs non-organic, there are no differences in either longevity or disease rates.
ive seen people praise the mom for having a dunkin donut breakfast with their kids. the difference there was that the mom was skinny. fucking fatphobia man...
The amount of sweet large iced coffees from Starbucks that adults are seen drinking daily and praised for are perfectly acceptable.
I think u r right. It is because mom does not fit their esthetic.
She is trying to do her best as a mom and showing what raising kids actually looks like versus some wanna be relevant clout chasing bragger with a fancy coffee in her hand
@@RUclipsTeacherRemoteavery woods comes to mind
Overworked culture has come to rely on processed food so many people dont know how to cook from like scratch and use boxed meals like hamburger helper ect while having no time to cook a home made meal. I still have no idea how to cook most vegetables.
Yeah and these massive companies that make this processed foods, lobby & pay politicians so that laws for changing agricultural, and the nutrition of foods, don't change for the people. They only let laws that help the companies & CEOs. But if food was more nutritional, and ethical, it would help everyone. They just want us sick & addicted.
As someone who has cooked a lot of things from scratch, I recognize just how difficult and time consuming it is. I also grow a lot of my own food, which is itself a full time job, and not everyone has the space, time, or resources to do this. Therefore I don't shame people who can't, when I should instead be asking, what changes need to be made so that more people have the same opportunities?
Not just that but education is at fault as well. Your not supposed to become an adult and magically know how to cook
@alexj-t2331 I took home economics in school but I only remember them "teaching" how to make cookies and home-made ice cream other then that we learned to sew.
Most vegetables can be steamed, boiled, or roasted. chop up and toss in some oil, bake at 425 for like 10 - 20 minutes. Now you can cook most to all vegetables.
In my poor rural hometown, most everyone ate like this. Unless you had and farmed your own land, there was a single grocery, or a few different Family Dollar locations, so very few options. And again- everyone ate this way. It was normalized and it was very difficult to avoid. But unfortunately the quality of the food was the least of anyone's problems- at least there was food. It's easy to judge someone's situation when you've never seen or experienced it firsthand.
I wish people would take this as an opportunity to realize their privileges and start a conversation about how to support struggling communities instead of putting all the blame on women.
Also, as an adult, I've definitely eaten donuts for breakfast. Don't lie, you all have too.
exactly. i grew up in appalachia and almost everyone ate like this
@@coolchameleon21 my hometown is also in Appalachia! Exactly the region I was talking about.
Donuts are dessert not breakfast.
@@facthunt2facthunt245are you serious? You literally have thousands of Americans each morning stopping at Dunkin’ to bring donuts to work for their coworkers for breakfast. It’s part of the frickin culture at this point. Lol
@@facthunt2facthunt245donuts are breakfast in spain (churros) and china (you tiao)
1. I guarantee you not nearly as many people would care if the mother was thin
2. If anything is worthy of criticism, it’s her doing anything with her kids on camera. Creeps are always looking for that kind of content
3. Kids that young are notoriously picky and sometimes it’s more important to get the kids fed at all than it is to have a balanced meal
My brother is literally experiencing #3 with my nephew right now.
Of course children at that age are picky eaters, modern parents break under the smallesr amount of Pressure from their kids
@@johnrambo5795when you have little time in your day, you do not have the time or patience to fight with your children over food. You are likely exhausted from working and the commute and are generally burnt out. Have some compassion.
@@grandempressvicky6387 but its literally not good for yourbor your Kids. You make it worse. Compassion does not mean to say that everything someone does is fine and great just because they have reasons
@@johnrambo5795 ok so you have the energy to keep up with your kids after 8 hours of work and very little money on your bank account after bills? If you think that giving in to your child every once in a while is "making them worse" then you must just keep them in the house all day eating what exactly? Healthy food is expensive and may not even exist where you are. Some people don't have time or space to grow their own food. You eat what you have access to. If you actually watched the video or even read other comments you would know that it's survival over everything. Sometimes people pick up bad habits because they have no other choice. You don't know their situation and you probably don't care.
If these people cared so much about what’s being feed to children they should be vomiting blood from anger at how unhealthy food is priced compared to healthy food. A poor person is forced to eat what they can afford so a lot of the time they don’t have a choice but to eat what they can to survive and that should radicalize you, not make fun of the person eating the slop that they are forced to eat.
Oatmeal is cheaper than donuts and candy
@@Vasilia4bi ch are u ok? Did you read anything he said lmao. People don’t have income to buy healthy products. You can’t just have oatmeal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner lmaooooooooooooo
exactly we don't know her story.
@@Vasilia4Do you eat oatmeal everyday? I swear, most of the people commenting negatively are 20 year olds who most definitely aren’t eating broccoli and chicken breasts everyday.
@@Vasilia4 I actively dislike you as a person. You are completely unserious
they expect people to make aesthetic acai bowls and chia puddings for their two year olds
As a Brazilian, açai doesn't have much nutrition either (unless it is the actual fruit) and it's highly caloric and it's mostly packed with sugar when industrialised , people eat it because it's cold and filling, here is mostly a dessert that we top with a bunch of sugary things.
Not defending the people dogpiling on that woman, but there are a lot of things between even the best things she feeds her children and serving them aesthetic acai bowls and chia puddings.
@@camelopardalis84 Exactly. It's a crazy conclusion to jump to to think that expensive acai bowls and donuts are the only two options to feed kids
@@sophiethelk9557 I am reading this right while considering to go to my kitchen, take a twice (today) used but for that purpose still clearly clean enough frying pan, and fill it with some ripped up (too lazy to cut) mushrooms and some broken off and crumbled into pieces gruyère cheese. Maybe add an egg to it, too. Not the least expensive ingredients, but I could do something similar involving inexpensive carrots, too, if I had some. Also somewhat calory dense, but not too bad. Not the best, but I could do worse. Also, it will be quick to prepare and require no supervision while it's on the stove.
I think - collectively speaking - people online have a very strong tendency to both underestimate the complexity of all kinds of issues and portray problems as harder to solve than they are.
@@camelopardalis84I'm gonna deep fry an acai bowl for my kids for breakfast
'Rich people': Poor people, don't feed your one years old poor people's food ...
I'm sure they think she should just stop being poor.
It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
@@gillypiexoas a grown up kid of a lovely woman who had undiagnosed narcolepsy and fibromyalgia for my entire childhood, I know it doesn't fix everything but I don't think it gets said often enough, giving whatever you can means so much more than you'll probably ever realize. The system might be built to make you feel inadequate but it's never your fault the body you were born into or the bumps and dings it's picked up since you've been in it and you deserve so much more 💜
@@gillypiexo our single mom had similar struggles 😔
hang in there! It means (or will mean) a lot to them even if they haven't realized it yet or can't communicate it! ❤
@@gillypiexoI'm sorry for your situation and for the fact that you live in a society that doesn't help you, I even get why you have empathy for the mother in this video, but that doesn't mean she is in your situation.
I really hope your life gets better.
I think FunkyFrogBait is actually them/they fyi. Really appreciate this video! I love how your contrarianism allows you to see past the bandwagon and defend people even if they're not perfect =)
FunkyFrogBait is definitely a woman. Not all women wear dresses but there doesn't have to be an entire identity built on that.
@facthunt2facthunt245 except their bio literally lists their pronouns as they/them/theirs.
I’m glad I found this comment, because I was about to say this myself
@@facthunt2facthunt245 Okay but FunkyFrogBait has said how they want to be referred to
Can't imagine a bowl of Cocoa Puffs is much healthier than a doughnut.
It's not. But at least those parents can claim ignorance, due to the deceptive marketing of predatory corporations. Everyone KNOWS that donuts and candy are unhealthy
It's not but hey maybe if you use whole milk there's a bit of omega 3s.
@@Vasilia4no they can't, it's obviously full of sugar, if someone who feeds a donut should know better so does someone who feeds them cereal.
@@Vasilia4 It's all perception. I had the same 😨reaction seeing the doughnuts on the kid's plate, but then, wtf are pancakes, right?
@@Vasilia4
So basically shaming people for what you perceive to be common knowledge is more important than eating healthy. Checks out.
i don’t think feeding your kids bad food is good, but there’s a bigger issue at hand. poverty and bad food options in the stores is the real problem!
i had this convo on twitter a few months ago and the amount of people who called her “fat” instead of just using real logic is appalling.
Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the most obese countries are remote Pacific Islands that are unable to maintain agriculture thanks to global warming and have to import overly processed foods
@@morbidsearch i had no idea about this, which makes your comment ring very true. people don’t talk about it and we have to.
I’d like to tack education onto that as well. Even if a person has the tools available to them doesn’t mean they know how to use them. Eating healthy can be so mind numbingly boring and hard to make taste good if you don’t know how to cook. Even the culinary education I got only covered how to bake an apple in a microwave but not actual food science which is should be what is focused on instead. Even gym classes which should also focus on aspects of food when it comes to fueling your body gets totally skimmed over in favor of just making them run around a bunch instead. Nutritional education in the US is so lost in the weeds of lobbying by major food conglomerates such as the dairy and meat industries in schools all the way up to the fact that junk food is scientifically made to be addicting and yet we yell at individuals for being addicted and not yelling at our legislators to stop allowing these companies to be so harmful to people in their practices
Unless people have a bachelor's and 10 years of nutritional health and offer her their services they've lost their humanity and empathy. It's also incredibly inappropriate to exploit her for clicks and views for them to profit from.
Thank you for pointing out how they're exploiting her.
It drives me up the wall how these channels will concern troll over her "exploiting" her children somehow, while they're the ones doing the exploitation. They're exploiting her, and by pretending they care so much about her kids, they're exploiting the kids too.
I live in Puerto Rico, a modern day colony of the US. We have a supermarket close by our house, so technically not a food desert, except because of the Jones Act, all the goods shipped to PR have to be shipped from a US port. We could have fresher, healthier produce more widely available if we could get produce from neighboring countries, so if congress prioritized the citizens of their colony over the dock workers lobbyists who keep the Jones Act alive. Instead, we have food that is already rotting by the time it gets to our supermarket shelves.
I'm assuming they've never given their child a cinnamon roll or pancakes or cereal for that matter
Thank you for this. I’m recovered from an***xia which almost killed me but also a picky eater without time to prepare meals so I eat a lot of processed food. It’s so triggering and frustrating to see people shaming food choices under the guise of “caring” without any genuine analysis
A lot of these channels are just hate farming & don't even feed their kids this stuff.
@@sproductionsinc Not sure what that has to do with what I said but okay
people really dont understand that binge eating is an ED as well, and the last thing you do is food shame someone with an ED
either that or they dont care, and just want to feel good virtue signaling
Same as someone who is chronically underweight and only recently got back to a comfortable body weight, it is hard to do and I don’t have the damn energy, so it is either starve or eat the unhealthy food.
Most content creators thrive on punching down on average to below average people and care about their own success far more than the success of others
Weird. Serving your kids those donuts for breakfast isn't terribly different from giving them a bowl of sugary cereal.
This is not unique, not in the US, and I think not in a lot of the world, as ultra-processed foods finds its way into the food supply of more countries. I eat pretty badly (in terms of high carb consumption), but I cook everything that I eat at/from home from scratch or lightly processed ingredients. Most of the things on grocery store shelves disgust me -- even the things I still like the taste of (Oreo cookies).
in the day and age in the US of A, survival seems to be where the future is heading, the way there are single moms, single parents, often have to work full time or two jobs to support a family
how long will these cringy gossip and commentary channels stop this madness, there are way worse individuals out there to be documented, actual abusive parents
Amen dude I'm really struggling out here ❤️🩹
@@gillypiexo i wish the best to you really comrade
She seems like a decent mother who is feeding her children although she may not have many cooking skills or understanding of nutrition or the time to cook from scratch. Unless you are in her exact situation or have anything constructive to say to help her, shut your mouth.
I always joke that my mom has to fight her Irish urge to BOIL EVERYTHING. I'm not sure how I grew up liking vegetables because if she gets her hands on them, she reduces them to piles of mush. That's what my "home-cooked" meals were like growing up. I preferred TV dinners and we ate a lot of takeout.
Fatphobia and the Perfect Mommy Brigade crossover episode
It's cheaper and less time consuming to buy crap highly processed food at the supermarket. Forget the cost of electricity and gas cooking food from scratch. If you're poor the choice is obvious.
It is even cheaper and even less time consuming to make oatmeal and cut up a piece of fruit.
@@Vasilia4fruit is not available everywhere and it's often expensive depending on where you are, stop spamming your bad solution and just say you hate fat people already.
@@Vasilia4tell that to people who live in places like West Virginia or Alaska where you either hunt or starve.
You also have to consider the cost of driving to the store. Some low income families don't even have vehicles, so trips to the store are few and far between. This means they have to buy things that have a longer shelf life, which are canned and processed foods. Even if fresh produce is available, it spoils pretty quickly.
yup this is how murica is.
Of all the awful hyper materialistic and consumerist and irresponsible parents using their kids to go viral... She's certainly not TiCkToCk's "worst mum". Far from it.
I’m pleasantly surprised she breaks it up for them. I’m not a parent but I could see a lot of parents skipping that step bc their kid hasn’t had trouble before
I have seen many parents give their kids donuts ...however cereal is ok?..its kinda hypocritical...cheerios and frootloops is not health food...
If I wanted to watch some this bullying-adjacent, unproductive and empty dogpiles from the creators in the video, I'd be watching some of the hip reactionaries and "centrists" that have nothing to add to anything they talk about, but it's actually sad to see that from some left leaning or liberal creators I used to respect, I think that mayyyybee setting some higher standards in this space would be beneficial
Was not expecting a FunkyFrogBait shoutout - but yes! I love FFB exactly because I know these shitty behaviours will get called out in a respectful way, AND I don't have to actually download tiktok to keep up with whatever new insanity is going on there...
The biggest thing for me is that so many people talk about how "bad" or "unhealthy" some of the food is. Food is neutral, and you're not a bad person for eating a certain food. This is something I learned during my ED recovery. It really changed my mindset.
Instead, food can be more nutritious and less nutritious. It's simply fuel for your body. Do we know how active her children are?
Shaming someone isn't going to do anything to change them. This mom is really doing her best, and it makes me furious that so many people are dogpiling on her.
good points.
This, we can talk about nutrition and health without demonizing certains foods. Food is food. It's better to eat "badly" than to not eat at all.
@@sophitiaofhyrule Exactly. When I was in my last year of high school, my mother made just a tiny bit too much money to disqualify me from free lunches. She often didn't bother giving me money for lunch.
It's a wonder I made it through high school, because I was hungry all the time. Once, I even passed out and got a concussion because I hadn't eaten anything that day.
I would rather a kid have something less nutritious than go completely hungry and develop health problems.
Exactly. Our behaviours with food can be healthy/good or unhealthy/bad. Food is by definition "healthy" because it all has calories and nutrients.
A chocolate cake is not "unhealthy." Eating an entire one in a single sitting is.
exactly
It is just always shocking to me that all of these people criticizing this woman can never look at anything from an empathetic point of view. They’re all on these high horses and they claim they care but it’s so obvious that they simply do not.
As an AMAB, this is one of many reasons why I absolutely hate patriarchy and esp. American male conservatism: it's a display of complicity to the inherent contradiction of capitalism. Thus, leading up to the normalization of behavior like this one. I don't think more people in the US (and the West in general) realize how toxic views like that also profoundly influence parents and youths in the Global South as well (I'm Indonesian), where the socio-economic inequality is still very prevalent here😭
Quite true. I really appreciate seeing that more & more people are speaking the truth & speaking up.
It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
No one cared when I ate unhealthy bullshit when I was a kid and no looked down on my parents over it either. Obviously healthy food is better for all of us, but they don't really care about her kids, that's just the excuse that they use so that they can talk shit about her because they want to feel morally superior to her because of her weight. They probably wouldn't do a better job of feeding her kids if given the chance and if they have kids of their own they probably aren't doing any better either. They don't care about the health outcomes of her children they care about making her feel bad in order to feel better about themselves.
facts. i ate poptarts for breakfast every morning at school and no one gave a crap because i was skinny
did your parents make a tiktok account and post your meals to millions of people?
All I have to say is that my mom had a hard time getting any sort of breakfast in me so if I had a chocolate chip cookie, she was fucking happy at least there was something in my stomach before I went to school or before I started my day
Same
My nephew is basically underweight and malnourished and the doctor told my brother that he just needed to get him eating anything he could even if it’s unhealthy.
My parents were convinced I had an eating disorder as a teen because I never ate breakfast and barely ate lunch. I was like, "uh, you force me to get up early every day and spend hours in a place I hate where I get bullied relentlessly for just existing, there are 45 kids per class, and all the arts programs have just been cut."
It was sheer stress. My stomach was clenched like a fist all day until the bus ride home. Then I'd sit on the couch, watch Fresh Prince, and inhale whatever junk food was in the cupboards (I remember once just microwaving a couple handfuls of marshmallows as a "snack").
@@zammmerjammer OMG, are we the same people because that’s why I didn’t eat either!!! I told my mom that and that’s why she didn’t care as long as I got something in my system she didn’t care.
Its funny the same people who say they want what best for kidsare the same people who dehumanize lgbtq+ kids for existing
Also the same people who are okay with younger folks being clubbed for protesting the genocide of gaza...
Also the same people who are okay with kids working dangerous jobs in their early teens...
Also the same people who are okay with women having no abortion rights...
And also the same people who are okay with getting them into war as soon as possible. Or the prison system... Whatever helps capital...
They should be dehumanized for it. A CHILD CANNOT MAKE THAT DECISION. I've watched to many videos of children regretting their trans decisions.
People are so judgy
yeah lets just let bad parents be bad parents.
@@ottosantiagolassusoh please, you don’t actually care about those kids.
@@ottosantiagolassus Let's not pretend that judging these parents in this way is anything but self-gratification. A way to make themselves feel good, superior. It literally does nothing more than stroke one's ego, and changes nothing.
@@Nopenonameok Why do you think no one could genuinely care? It's weird to see parents filming that stuff for views. Just hate farmers.
@@sproductionsincI think comments like the first one I replied to and yours are just made to make yourselves feel like better and morally superior people. It just feels disingenuous and unhelpful. That’s all.
as someone who is a millenial and a teen in the 2000s, its very odd to see all the fat bullying coming back on tiktok , like kt never went away, but it seems to have boomeranged around louder since the 2010s. A lot of americans eat poorly because we have a for-profit food distribution system... I used to think like the people shaming the mom, maybe when I was 14 and dealing with eating disorder habits, but i hadnt realized the privilege i had where i lived, where fresh veggies and meat is widely available. Now that im in my 30s ans understand how food affordability is a big issue now, I think a doughnut and apple sauce as a snack is better than starving her kids. Hope the stores near her can get some frozen fruits and veggies or veggie chips, at least! But its true in many neighborhoods around the country, the only food to really eat is UPF.
The worst part is that half of these people probably aren't even parents themselves like... Why should you get to judge.. Hello??
I don't think you need to be a parent, but if you ignore the realities of being a parent in the analysis calling her a 'bad mom' rings pretty hollow especially when its based on like one TikTok you saw
Everyone has been a child who needed a caretaker. Not everyone has to be a parent to know that kids will generally want good quality food and love. That said, haters should try to be more realistic and compassionate about the food landscape.
@@IqueyI don't know many children who want good quality food, most children I know would only eat junk if they could.
@@bluester7177 part of being a good parent is making them eat well.
You don't need to be a doctor to realize that denying health care to someone is a crime. Do the math.
Negligence is also a crime. Making your kids sick is crime.
"It takes a village to raise a child" so yeah, anyone can judge based on science.
i saw a comparison video of the comments under her videos vs. the comments under this typical suburban rich ladies comments (she also was feeding her kid donuts) and it was night and day. classism and pretty privilege are real
💔What happened to humanity? Haters will continue to play gate keeper & fat shame! She's NOT the worst mom its just their justification to judge,bully, and continue to be BIGOTS! I live in the United States& this is fat shaming a single mom. I say 💯GOOD on this mom/creator to keep her children off camera & protect their identity. Also, she had the confidence to be a content creator to help support her kids. side note yes, our food regulation is poo!
Bizarre how the for-profit, publicly-traded corporations hellbent on expanding their market cap by maximizing their profit margins keep investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong isn't it? 😂
Tbh I had forgotten about her after watching Froggy's video, and now seeing this again I just think like.. what if she's giving the kids a treat? And you're right! We haven't see what the kids look like! But even then its none of my business is it? I'd rather have a fat happy child instead of a malnourished one that despises me
hi just wanted to let you know I'm pretty sure FunkyFrogBait uses they/them pronouns :)
Donuts aren't worse than a bowl of candy wet with milk that we call cereal, or pancakes or eggos laden with maple syrup, or any staples of the American breakfast. The average American diet is terrible no matter class, and that bullying is unnecessary.
I have a daughter, I'm married and we both work. Sometimes it's just about getting them fed with something, either it's a tough and busy day or they won't eat the food you make, etc.
These people criticising are all people without kids themselves, or people with kids who have more free time than the average. I'll admit, we haven't always fed the healthiest but we're trying to raise our daughter without a weird relationship to food
Definitely people without kids, or kids who aren't unbelievably picky. I'd love my own son to eat healthier foods, but he just won't eat them, and even if he will eat broccoli one time during one week, if I make it a few days later, he hates it. A good portion of kids are like this (they enjoy something one day, then couldn't care less about it within a week), and parents are just trying desperately to find out what they'll actually eat, otherwise they will just not eat at all. "Just put healthy food in front of them and if they get hungry enough, they'll eat!" Some have never tested the stubborn will of a two-year-old.
I may be in the minority, but I think she is rage baiting for the clicks, which is brilliant, imo. Good for her! It’s getting engagement. I hope she is monetized and getting paid.
I grew in the most southern region of Alabama and we ate a lot of homemade meals. We weren’t rich, but my grandmother grew her own food and raised chickens. We ate what was cooked and kept it moving. I am not wealthy by no means, I budget hard but I still cook my own food. I buy ingredients that can stretch a meal for an entire week. But I think it comes down to socioeconomics and childhood. My parents cooked and it was passed down to me. Now I only cook the food I eat with a rare treat for gross McDonald’s or Pizza Hut.
I don’t think she’s doing all that bad but the food is unappealing in my opinion. And if she is not rage baiting, I just think she needs help on how to shop on a budget. I have found a lot of deals in DG Market and Kroger. All I care is her kids being feed.
I think so too, she sells stuff and she has a lot of views because of it, and if she can deal with the negativity, good for her, if true she wins the Internet.
My dad’s breakfast was frosted flakes with a spoonful or two of extra sugar. Snacks would require an essay to explain. His favorite dinner was anything he didn’t have to cook, thus I had to cook the unhealthy options he taught me to cook for him so he didn’t have to parent. I also had to go grocery shopping with him every week and both responsibilities started long before I was old enough to really grasp things like nutrition and meal prep. I lived with my mom 50% of the week so it wouldn’t have been very feasible anyway. My mom bought a lot processed foods but she put in effort to include healthier stuff, and had way less money (and more stress) than my dad.
I still learned to cook alright and generally understand nutrition. However I can’t stand cooking for the most part. And I still have both a sweet tooth and basically a life long addiction to sugar (which I’m slowly improving) courtesy of my dad and his sugar laden kitchen in particular.
I don’t find this mom to be outside of the norm much at all. It seems so unlikely to me that she is baiting
Another irony here is that a lot of the foods that would be considered perfectly fine to feed kids are loaded with sugar, fat, and processed ingredients. They're just not as obvious, because most people don't think twice, and don't know what goes into prepared foods.
I've gotten out of a several year long depressive slump and started making tea for myself instead of my mom doing it for me (which was very helpful ^^). I didn't realize just how much sugar went into things, until I was adding small portions of sugar into my tea and feeling unsatisfied. Then it led me thinking to, again, just how much sugar goes into everything, and I was horrified.
I think if more people had the time and money and space to make food from scratch, or at least food imitating processed foods, they'd finally realize what they consider to be acceptable suddenly isn't. Unfortunately, I can only imagine that'll lead to a trend of mocking people in person and online for buying certain things, because when has it ever not been cool quirky and fun to degrade the poor?
It sucks because I am a single mom that barely escaped DV & coercive control. I have several chronic diseases & disorders, both mental & physical. To the point that I can't keep a schedule enough to keep a job. Plus my child has ASD & it sucks so much to not be giving my child the quality of life the should have. The help I get from the state is called "supplemental" they say, it is not meant to cover the entire expenses of groceries & I can't get cash assistance because I can't be going to job interviews several times a week. People don't want to help, they want you to be pushed to the edge, I've heard many times that people think that I(& other people in situations like mine) will somehow rise to the occasion & magically overcome the obstacles. Willpower doesn't work like that unfortunately 😢
Since you're talking about food politics, I must recommend Marion Nestle's book "Food Politics". No relation to Nestlé.
From 1986 to 1988, she was senior nutrition policy advisor at Department of Health and Human Services.
I'm so tired of fatphobia. It's not about health at all, despite what concern trolls would have you believe.
On the bright side, it is becoming more and more nauseatingly transparent.
ive seen this mom and its not okay to feed young children unhealthy food especially regularly even if its not all the time. Whether she is skinny or fat, it's still bad. Shes still feeding them unhealthy processed foods when they're at the age where they should be eating as healthy as possible. donuts are not a breakfast meal. There are millions of families who are poor and rely on places like mcdonalds and fast food but that doesnt excuse that its bad and i think its worse to not give your child a balanced diet if you have the money to do such
I usually enjoy the anti MLM content that the RUclipsr you mentioned posts. When her video was first posted i was very confused because of the level of judgement. It felt under researched and biased and it made me question all of the content i had consumed from her previously even though she was giving important information.
this seems very in line with what I know families in poverty to eat- that brand of donuts is literally served at schools as part of free breakfast in my state. chicken nuggets, mini donuts, fries, frozen veggies, and pasta are some of the most affordable foods, looks like the sort of things you'd find at Dollar Tree, which is a store where every item is $1 (or used to be before inflation...now it's more like $1.50 tree)
The commentary from the blonde lady criticizing her at the beginning of the video cracks me up.
With all the cosmetics, makeup and chemicals applied to her face and hair, arguably increasing her risk of cancer, it is funny to hear her talking about what’s healthy to do and what we are teaching kids lol 😂.
I literally commented on Kiki's video about how trival it was when at the time, it had just came out how Palestinians in Gaza were eating weeds to survive.
Just an FYI I'm pretty sure FunkyFrogBait uses they/them pronouns. Also I actually thought Obese to Beast's video was fairly sympathetic? He does talk about class and his own background in an impoverished household and how he was fed as a child and that she's making the effort to feed her kids.
Kiki makes really good anti-scam content, but she hardly does that anymore and mostly makes mean judgey stuff now. Makes me wonder how much of her anti-scam stuff is really just made because scammers are acceptable targets
Similar to iilluminaughtii before her. Now that she has to branch out to other subject matter, her true colors are showing.
The hyper-segregated city I'm in unfortunately has horrible food deserts; this take is spot on!
People moralize weight to an insane degree. Giving your kid a sugary breakfast makes you the most evil mom on earth but hitting them and calling them a burden is normal apparently.
im not very far into the video yet, but i wanna point out that funkyfrogbait uses they/them pronouns! i know you only mentioned them briefly but i think its worth correcting.
I actually came into the comments to say the same. Happy Pride 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Well said. Time for prison Kav! That's what jordy peterman says!!!
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 lmao. Belive it or not, right to jail!
It doesn't matter, no one was using they/them pronouns 20 years ago. If you're truly gender neutral then you wouldn't care what pronouns are used for yourself because you'd be indifferent to the concept of gender.
She looks like a they/them fr
I think even if you're not in a food desert, having to get in the car and drive to the store versus being able to just walk over easily causes a divide with fruit. I almost never buy fruit. I have frozen fruit, but that really isn't good for eating raw. Buying fresh fruit is a pain because you have to eat it so quickly, even if it's refrigerated. I think it'd be different if going to the store was significantly easier. I'm within walking distance but even then I have to cut through grass and jaywalk to get there. It's not really feasible for a simple snack - it's much easier to buy food that doesn't rot within a few days and leave it in your pantry for when you're feeling a little peckish.
Another thing about food deserts In the US; even in small or mid sized cities food deserts still exist bc you usually need a car to go to a grocery store and transport your groceries, especially if youre feeding more than one or two people. Its really insane!
An urban Midwestern neighborhood I lived in for a few years became a food desert after the only grocery store closed. It was a little over a mile from me and I don’t drive. I think the next closest store was 3 miles away.
Said neighborhood is in the city where one of the biggest US grocery store companies is headquartered. And the grocery store that closed was one belonging to that same company.
Btw, caldoeslife's video was really sympathetic and kind to the woman! Just a small correction bc his video was so refreshing to watch after seeing the hateful ones
One issue is that we subsidize certain crops, primarily cereal grains like corn and wheat. These are easier to produce in large quantities, so farming corporations tend to focus on them. Once they have the grains, it's in their interest to produce food items with incredibly long shelf lives, so they fill them up with preservatives, salt, and a ton of sugar to give them some kind of flavor. They're full of calories, short of nutrients, and incredibly cheap. If you're poor and looking to stretch your dollar, you might be forced to choose those products out of necessity.
Michelle was being dramatic to mimic what people were saying online, that wasn't her just being an absolute maniac in the beginning like it looks out of context 😂
Right, like if you put it like that is mean, but I watched the video, and it's not bad I love michelle
@felixwiegel320 yeah, her opinion doesn't even line up with the others who shit on what the original lady feeds her kids... I think she was done kinda dirty in the intro
"I'll have you know my parents never taught me anything about bullying, I learned it all on my own."
I'm sorry, I know you said no hate, but the proud way she said this was disgusting... Like, congratulations for peaking in high school, I guess? "You go Glen Coco" and all that...
Both me and my bf were raised in 2nd world countries, me in Europe and him in Central America. Not even 3rd world. 2nd.
Both my parents had to work full-time. My older brother too. My meals during the week were soup because my mom could make it in big batches and freeze it, taking one out of the freezer every week. She had to do this to be able to buy groceries when there were discounts. It was the only way we could afford meat. Whenever I'm in survival mode, my go to meal is soup. I was raised to look at food as a tool for survival. As energy. I still don't see food as a treat to this day.
The only way my bf and his family had access to drinkable water growing up was by getting water from a distribution truck once a week. He doesn't live there anymore, but his hometown still depends on water distribution trucks. We were kids in the 90's and early 00's. It wasn't as long ago as people think. America is right there, next to his country, and this is how the people in his hometown live to this day.
Even now, the way that my bf treats himself on pay-day is by buying himself a nice chunk of salmon to cook. That's his little luxury every month. Mine is Master Kong, a Chinese bottled tea brand, now that I finslly have access to Chinese grocery stores. Our luxuries are vulgar to a lot of people.
These people are so obscenely out of touch. I guess poverty is over now because we have smartphones.
It's really gross to frame this woman's tiktok as a grift when there are more than enough videos of her taking the actual good advice that people have given her to improve the meals while taking into account her situation. It's even grosser to imply that this woman is doing this on purpose to make her children fat because she's fat too. If you imply that about someone without evidence it's going to tell me more about you than this mom.
And what the hell is wrong with juice puree packets? My brother works abroad and brings that for his kid when he's off work for a few months, I've seen the ingredient list and there's nothing obscenely unhealthy in them. I'm one of those fussy uncles, I check the packaged food a lot. It's a good way to get kids to eat fruit if you can't afford a blender and they are being fussy about eating chopped fruit. It's a decent desert or snack. Good grief...
i occasionally fall into the tiktok rabbit hole by the way of youtube "shorts"--they're, well, short and you don't have to invest much brain power. i've noticed recently the practice of "creators" inserting themselves into someone else's video and yapping and yapping and yapping. i feel all these concerned citizens are yappers, earning money off of someone else's content under the guise of faux expertise. i would simply fall off my chair laughing (LMFAO i believe is the current terminology all the kids is a'usin') if the sound of the kids is a recording added in editing. thank you.
Thank you for this!! I felt like I was crazy for not agreeing with these RUclips videos and everyone in the comments.
American: Giving donouts as breakfast to kid
French person: "That is not enough pasteries!!"
I really appreciate you making a compassionate video advocating for this mom. I hadn’t seen her before this video and have no attachments to her but I know she’s doing her best.
In our activism, we advocate for the marginalized, skin color, sexuality, ethnicity, but we are really dropping the ball when it comes to advocating for Fat People.
Fat People are one of the largest demographics that can legally be discriminated against across the board. This is a huge topic that is being largely ignored.
While there are points I disagree with you on in this video, you really did a great job. Thank you.
I don't know why people are dog piling on her. As if parents feedings their kids garbage wasn't the norm in the US.
They are because it feels good to them, it's just that.
Because she decided to post it for all to see on social media
@@KateeAngel posting on social media does not automatically mean you deserve to be dogpiled on for something
Come on now, Michelle McDaniels never called the mother a terrible mother. She’s clickbait and states at the start of her videos what the discourse is. She at most said that the mom is not setting her children up to have a good relationship with food. Michelle has a huge fat girl following and we all generally agree with her takes. The only people she full on calls out for being terrible people are People like Pearl and Big Ed.