I know what MAP stands for, do you have any actual evidence or sources that Matt Walsh is a MAP? I hate Matt Walsh as much as you do, trust me, but if you're calling him a MAP without anything to back that up, all it does is gives him reason to discredit you, which is why I ask. I don't want to fuel his reason for not liking us and discrediting us if you know what I mean. Yes I know he's going to discredit us anyways, but I'll rather have it be for bad reasons because of how stupid he is and how unwilling he is to learn and grow as a person, than have it be for legitimate reasons like labeling him as attracted to minors when he isn't, if you know what I mean. Which is why I'm asking why you're saying that. I'm not asserting that he isn't one btw, I just want us to be careful for the reasons I mentioned.
The great irony of the "people in history used to drink raw milk" argument is that, no, they didn't. Milk was a precious resource that was almost always all converted into cheese, butter and yoghurt in order to last longer and not go rancid in timed before refrigerators.
Not to mention all the farmers that boiled milk just so they could drink something warm when it was cold, completely unaware that it was beneficial for their health
@@j.artiste8596 as an european with a great-grandma running a farm wich i visited often. They gathered milk for selling it and sometimes we could try it raw but generally it was boiled before consumption. It was possible because they had a few cows very well kept and an immediate consumption prevented the risk of contamination; all the milk kept for longer time had to get boiled. Industrial production needs to lower the costs, so they don't keep the cows perfectly and contamination is a mich higher risk; for general safety ALL the milk is somehow pasteurized. We used to gather the milk, a tank truck passed and gathered the milk from different farms, the milk went to a milk factory for sterilization and later distribution. Even for the milkmen.
@@junjunjamore7735From what I’ve read it seems that the people who drink it raw are in the minority, this makes sense as being Amish is not actually a very old religion and pasteurisation existed before the religion did
in my coutynry milk is sold in some quanitites as unpasterised and is boiled by people.people at large see it superior to pasterised milk cause idnustrrial good are inferior line orf reasoning.i prefere pastrised milk for it nothavign what we call "kajmak" whcih are fats and solids formed on top of milk during boilingh.
My grandmother did it. Every time she was to drink or use some milk. They had contacts with local farmers and milk came from some of them directly, that would be until the 1960s. But she did it ever since. Putting milk in the coffee straight from the bottle in the fridge was unthinkable for her.
@@darreideamos2309 Yeah, that's what pasteurisation does as well. That's why it's absurd for someone who's against pasteurisation to do it to their milk. They obviously understand the benefits of doing it.
@@darreideamos2309 Yes but the point is that's exactly what pasteurization is! So they're wasing their money on raw milk that's unpasteurized only to pasteurize it themselves at home.
This actually makes me so sad because the raw milk cope feels like victims of televangelists. They so badly want a magic elixir that will solve all their problems because they can’t admit what the real source of their oppression is. Hint: it’s not heating up milk
They're probably the same people who believe in the most insane forms of alternative medicine that don't actually work. Snake oil salesmen LOVE these types of people.
This is only true as long as fertilizer waste, 3M and DuPont, and jet skis are in use. Clean fresh water sources still exist, but they’re far fewer than before industrialization.
@@itsirrelevant4565 And in some places with low industrialization, there's still the risk of bacteria like cholera. So water treatment/filtration's just good in general.
@@shgds I'm comparing it to today. There are reasons the human population exploded over the last century and a half, namely medical advancement. You stop kids from going into coal mines and you get less kids dying of black lung. Penicillin is developed and given away for free. You stop putting cocaine in things. You develop an FDA. You get rid of asbestos. You reduce the workday from 16 hours to 8. Lots of things. The point is, as those measures were introduced, our lifespans got longer, while women stopped having 18 kids to work the farm, with 13 of them dying early. These changes made human populations explode, BECAUSE we stopped doing everything that was done for millenia before. And so the idea that "it was around for our entire history" is stupid, considering we changed alot over the last 200 years, and now dominate the planet. The exceptions? Money. Linked global markets. These people are the same that want gas prices to come down, but refuse to acknowledge the insane oil production going on domestically. It's all a joke, and we westerners are mentally deficient.
postmodern rightism. it doesn't have any content, it's just vibes. in 16 months they'll be like "raw milk is a pantsy trend of left wing hipsters" right after they learn that brown, poor people in africa drink milk raw.
It's stuff like this when I think "are they just right-wing racists because they enjoy being edgy?" I mean, unlike the comics where everyone is literally a super edgy cartoon villain, you can at least sympathize with homelander in the show. He is unreasonably evil but at the core he is a broken human. But to actually go and say that he's the true hero, you cannot convince me that they think that for any other reason than "edgy = cool"
You know what they’ll do? They drink from that River, they’ll drink from that lake, they’ll drink that milk contaminated with cow sh*t, they’ll do it, and while there puking and cr*ping their guts there guts out, sick with dysentery they’ll look you in the eye and say, “see, I’m perfectly healthy!” Because the worst thing in the world is admitting that you were wrong.
just 19th century London, let them swim in the river, they will not survive (for real people who fell in the river died at that time. There was even a ferry disaster in London at that time over 100 people on the ferry had to make a short swim to shore. Every single one of them DIED from diseases
If conservatives want to drink raw milk then they absolutely should. I think it’s a great idea. They should also stop using sun cream. I fully support them in this.
We really haven't been consuming raw milk for thousands of years. People used to boil their milk. I grew up in rural area and got milk from neighbours. Everyone knew you have to boil the milk first.
Thing is, they are pushing to remove these requirements as well, and when companies can save a cent, they will take it. We will interfere so far as this is concerned. They want to drink it themselves, fine, go ahead, [deletes their health insurance enrollment]
@@brp361 if people survived first 10 years, they could quite easily live to 50-60 years old. Wars, famines, epidemics, etc. did at times lower life expectancy to 30-40 years old, but even then most people died as babies and children. Raw milk, which wasn’t drunk immediately, boiled or made into products like cheese which don’t spoil as easily, was one of reasons. It was also easier to keep milk clean since milking was done by hand - how can modern dairy farmers keep raw milk clean enough when they have dozens or hundreds of cows and machines milk dozens of cows at same time? If they couldn’t keep raw milk safe then, how do these idiots think it’s possible today? 🤦🏼♀️
@valivali8104 I wonder how the cheese-making process does that? (Though I have read that pregnant women shouldn't eat these nice kinds of cheeses, because of the risk of listeria.)
"Big dairy" would absolutley love to make as much money as possible, so why would they control the need for pasteurisation when they could skip the step and save money by not doing it?
I was wondering the same thing. The dairy industry fought pasteurization 100% of the way until it was made illegal to sell raw milk. If they didn't need to do it, they wouldn't. It costs them money to do it.
As a leftist who is also an old school skeptic, I for one am quite pleased to see anti-science woo peddlers continue to consolidate themselves on the right. Also, make no mistake, MAP Walsh would totally be singing the same tune if he thought it was more profitable.
@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t There are still plenty of left-leaners who also distrust authority and government for both rational and irrational reasons. In the end, it's the folks who depend on them that will feel the brunt of the anti-science views.
Older Eastern European here. My peasant, barely educated grandparents, born at the beginning of last century, have ALWAYS boiled the milk from their cows immediately after milking it. Within minutes after milking it. Reason? Raw milk spoils very fast and they hadn't refrigerators. They would be so shocked hearing some people drink milk without boiling first. So nah, drinking raw milk is NOT the traditional practice.
@@mihaelabiolan819 Beer was safer to drink than water due to the water in the beer becoming safe to drink in the beer-making process. People didn't understand what made beer safer than water. So they didn't just do to the water without turning it to beer to make it safe but instead thought that beer was simply safer to drink than water. Often, people know something works but misunderstand why.
@@camelopardalis84 indeed! Purely empirical knowledge, without a scientific basis, but still corect, well tested knowledge. The sad part is that now some people misunderstand (deliberately or not) or distrust the scientific knowledge, while lacking that old empirical knowledge...
@@j.artiste8596 Nordic country. My country is not so cold as yours. Also, if I remember well, you have pretty low density of population - and farms - in countryside, which helps slowing transmission of herd diseases, I guess?
The fact people are fighting over whether or not potentially contaminated milk is healthier than milk that was boiled and filtered is hilarious. This is why we should never gut our education system.
Look up some of people's first reactions when the first legislation was passed against drunk driving - they very much described it as "unamerican" and I do think somebody blamed communism lmao
According to conservatives, the 1800s was recent enough that pasteurization can’t be considered healthy, but was also long ago enough that descendants of the Atlantic slave trade aren’t allowed to be upset by it. Got it
I genuinely believe that if you explained the benefits of vaccines, pasteurization etc to people of the past, and then introduced them to modern anti-vaxxers and raw milk drinkers, they'd look at them as if they were completely insane. Like they've probably lost people to these horrible diseases, maybe even gone through it themselves. To tell them there's a simple and painless way to make that not happen, and that there's people who refuse to for reasons that are at best incoherent? They'd look at that as nothing short of complete and utter madness.
@@winterbliss4459 The actual process is much more intensive and the average person wont be able to do it as well but... Yea its better than nothing I guess?
@@camelopardalis84 I wonder why is my reply hidden to me but some of you can see it. Maybe only Indians can see it by some sorcery. Its a complex topic and you wouldnt get it probably. Just like they call they called Native Americans "Indians", they call the people of HINDUSTAN "Indians" for the SAME reason. They are liars. And wouldnt they reach China, Korea, Japan, etc before India? I dont think I can even explain more without the comment being deleted by TheyTube. Also tired of trolls and racists who call me racist for exposing their racism.
Most of the societies that had dairy producing animals actually boiled milk too. People all over the world have known about the benefits of boiling milk since the beginning.
A broken clock is right twice a day! But this modern digital clock that is hooked up to the internet is always correct, so dont forget to throw out that broken clock! 😃
I am outing myself as an vaccinated vegan, a science believer, a rune living German who is antifascist, a non raw milk drinker big pharma critic who is also glad that someone figured out what bacteria is and how to kill them. You can be both...
There’s a reason even family members who own a dairy won’t gift me raw milk. They give me as close to raw as they can, but it’s not completely raw. They understand the risks of raw.
That's because commercial dairies are inhumane and many of their cows suffer from running infections and that's part of why their feed is fortified with antibiotics and also part of why pasteurization is required for most commercial dairies. It's not because of the milk, it's the process.
Drinking raw milk is like covid. Probably nothing bad will happen. You can drink it for years and nothing goes wrong. But it CAN go wrong, and if it does, it's really going to suck.
@@darwinism8181 Let me begin by telling you COWS in the milk herd can't receive Antibiotics in their feed unless they are being treated for a disease or infection and if they are being treated that milk can not go into the milk supply. In the U S every load of milk that is picked up on a farm is tested for antibiotics before it enters the supply chain.
@@darwinism8181 have you ever been to a farm? Or do you get all your information from people who have never seen a cow and assume that a couple awful farmers are the whole lot. Most farmers want to make sure their animals are as healthy and comfortable as they can because farmers have empathy too
In small (shot glass/day) quantities, it's probably a viable "ghetto/shadetree inoculation" method for people who don't have access to manufactured vaccines but do have access to healthy dairy herds unaffected by any particular pathogen of concern. 🤔
How natural do they think our food is going to be when our soil, air, and water is like 85% microplastics? We can't go back to living off the land even if we tried.
@@WastedBananas because there are few of them. There are too many people alive. Before nitrogen was able to be chemically extracted in 19th century all people had was natural fertilizers the best one being bird poop, there was not enough. There was a real risk of a huge worldwide hunger because agroculture wasn't able to keep up with feeding so many humans. Then nitrogen fertilizers were invented and agrocultural production was able to skyrocket and so did human population
Also most of our vegetables have been selectively-bred for human consumption for centuries if not milennia. If they wanted to eat natural, I hope they like seeds.
wrong. we can go back to living off the land plus im whyt im more oppressed than blvvvk people plus i use the hard word ALL THE TIME and all my favorite music says it too and they're whyt. you know the hard word? the one with the letter. its the letter of the alphabet which is "n"
@@Can_think_of_a_name well you cant be too smarty-pants without being able to read. and big chunk of humanity 99,9% couldn't read. you just had to do things according to how you felt about it. you could even build houses without being able to read. i think. why would you mass teach peasants reading? thats just asking for revolutions against their very benevolent king emperor ruler. who only takes 99,99% of what you have every year.
The fact that there’s room for this conversation indicates that our species is doing everything we can to ideologically examine bottling, shipping, marketing, pricing, and sanitation of a PRODUCT…. But nothing for the health of the land or the animals the resource comes from.
@@nikolamilicevic1040 The 3 people I know who drink raw milk don't heat it before drinking it. They tried to get me to try it and looked at me like I was nuts when I said I wouldn't drink it without being heated first. I already have enough health problems without running the risk of ending up in the hospital with Listeria or worse. Lol
At first I was annoyed that you posted a tweet from the very gross Matt Walsh that I actually agreed with. But watching his followers lose their minds brought me back around.
FYI, humans DID NOT drink cow's milk for even a tiny part of our history. Domestic cows alone are a new thing. Regularly drinking cow's milk AS AN ADULT is a 20th century thing.
It has been common in nomadic cultures for millennia, but arguably those cattle (also sheep, goats, camels, buffalo, yak were used for milk) were not modern cows
@@samuell.foxton4177 Even if the milked animals of millennia ago are radically different from the modern dairy cows, the concern remains the same. So many pathological diseases that ravaged populations came from other animals, it really is just a terrible lottery to win. We know, as a matter of fact, that milk that has been pasteurized is safer to drink so why even take chances? Even if the nutritional value is notably higher in raw milk, the risks are just too great, and we're supposed to eat a diverse range of foods as it is.
Don't forget cultures in India that have a rich history of milk, yogurt, lassi, ghee, etc. There are cultures that revere the cow because of how much their culture is built around milk products. I'm not actually sure that they promote fresh milk though. There are also people in Mongolia that use a lot of yak milk.
And where there isn't access to pasteurization, a lot of cultures consume their dairy as cheese or yogurt rather than fresh, because the process of making it kills many harmful bacteria
Yeah, India historically relied on boiling milk and making yoghurt/cheese, hence it being in so many dishes and even being the default fat for frying (ghee). Even today\*, you don’t buy milk in India (you can, but it’s rarer) but rather powder which you mix with boiling water. *Might be as much as 15 years out of date, I don’t talk to that side of my family much.
@@TTIOttioI live in India, second part is actually not true. We either buy raw milk from a dairy and boil it thoroughly before consuming it or we buy pasteurised milk in packets... Which we also boil lol.
@@Taurus388 fair enough. As I say, 15 years out of date! It was the case for punjab when I stayed with my folks there back in the early 2000s, but that was also a time when most people didn't have Internet 🤷
The raw milk crowd should also start drinking natural sea and still and ground water drink from random streams no need to boil it or anything all natural
Raw milk drinker, I do drink from natural sources that aren't standing water and I do enjoy an aerated sip of seawater with a good blue rare burger. most raw milk drinkers I know are absolute filthgoblins like me, the kinds of people who have weird rituals and superstitions and personal beliefs about the world that are based entirely on personal interpretation. I don't believe in black cats and I walk under ladders, but I burn my hair instead of putting it in the garbage when I brush and I won't wear matching socks and I drink raw milk and eat shaved ginger. I am aware of all of the complications that can arise from my actions, my mom is a biologist and I've had an insane love for microbiology my whole life. If I had to die, I would love to go out as an anthrax farm or by discovering decabotulism.
9:00 ahh yes, the industries lobbied the government to make it so they *checks notes* have to do an expensive time consuming process that reduces profit margins?
Pasteurization costs money. Even if you postulate dairies would not mind killing off consumers (which is kind of self-defeating for those seeking profit) why would they spend more to produce a good if they want maximum profit? Clearly there is a benefit or else the money would not be spent. Even taking the most dismal view of the motives of farmers and retailers, if they spend money on something they believe there is some benefit, such as leaving consumers alive to buy more.
It’s because of regulations. They cannot sell it if it isn’t pasteurised. Not selling it pasteurised will lead to the companies being fucked for not doing such thing. You do forget they do it because they have no other option? You’re actually stupid
That's one of the weird things about the arguments against pasteurization. They are arguing being cheap is worth causing an outbreak. The line of thinking is just so weird.
@@oneoflokis The main antagonist in the superheros TV show "The Boys". A very powerfull character, dressed in an american flag, inspired to some extend by Donald Trump and who is famous for is milk fetish
let them drink raw milk. if they get sick they can just mix in some horse paste with their next glass of raw milk. honestly, I had no idea that so many grown ass adults drink milk in general. like 65% of the human population has some level of lactose intolerance. thats the majority.
If they want to really be natural, why are they drinking another animal's milk? They should be drinking human milk. Or is there a side of TikTok doing that too?
Great to hear you mention the link between animal exploitation and pandemic risk. It is one of the reasons I’m vegan. If we continue to farm animals in cramped, filthy conditions, it’s only a matter of time for another pandemic to spread. And obviously there is the ethical issue of forcefully impregnating a mother cow, then taking their calf away once their born, milking her for profit, then repeating the cycle until her body is too weak and she is sent to a slaughterhouse to have her throat cut at a fraction of her life span. So milk is cruel and unnecessary, whether it’s pasteurised or not.
For most of my life I didn't knew what the pasteurization proces was exactly. I assumed It was some kind of complex chemical process, but It is just heating up the milk
Milk that is sold is not just pasteurised, but also homogenised. If you want to keep your milk as natural as possible, only heat it up to the point that is necessary to pasteurise it and do nothing else to it.
If you mix the milk from 1000 cows in a big tank, and one of those cows had contaminated milk then the whole tank is contaminated. Pasteurization is just basic food safety and common sense when you're processing tens of thousands of gallons of milk per day.
Not actually. At least for some milk poisoning i forgot, then the milk tank will dilute said poisoned milk. But if its bacteria, yeah nah it will multiply and contaminate everything.
I used to work on a diary farm every summer, i was not good at my job i regularly dropped the suction cups into cow shit and wouldn't do a great job cleaning them because i was so slow and struggled to keep up, i also once milked a cow with Maistics ( a disease that is basically milk rotting inside the udder) For the love of god dont drink raw milk
Let them drink the raw milk. They should already know it’s not safe. It’s like a little kid touching fire for the first time except these are grown ass adults
glad im not the only one who feels this way... i mean ill use it for cereal or oatmeal, and it's always in my house, but idk i've never liked just straight drinking milk. it's kinda nasty, lowkey. it just has its uses for many things, it's an ingredient and i'll never see it as a standalone beverage. i am a milk hater.
Milk is a great, easy source of protein, fats, and carbs for people who struggle to get proper nutrition. Like lower income/impoverished people and in my case, somebody recovering from an ED and trying to maintain my weight. Call it 'weird' if you want, I'd argue eating eggs is way more strange if you stop and think about it.
@@ard4461 they are cheaper to purchase because the government blows all of the taxes you pay on subsidies for animal products. Without these subsidies most people would consume way less.
@@pootis1699 There are impoverished people around the world and I wasn't referring to just tax-paying Americans with that comment. As for myself, I can't afford to restrict my diet even further. Money wise AND health wise. EDIT: Also I did the math and of the 4.4 trillion dollars collected from American taxpayers, 0.75% of it (30 billion) went to agriculture subsidies. Corn growers are the largest recipients of these subsidies, followed by soybeans, and then sugar. So... no, the government does not "blow all our taxes on animal products" they blow it on the military lol
I don't think this is anti-capitalst really, just like fash aren't really against it. It's more about creating niche markets spurred by rw wellness creators/influencers and small farms pushing deregulated methods of agricultural distribution. This is based on my experiencing my mom felling down that rabbit hole.
notice how he was canceled for not aligning with the party stance on raw milk and not over the fact he thinks it's inappropriate to teach children how to say no to unwanted touching?
Good vid, and the Matt Walsh aspect of this is super interesting. I had a couple of friends try to (figuratively) die on the hill of raw milk, and I've always viewed it an opening to the very real crunchy-to-alt right pipeline.
I think he understands the science he misrepresents but it usually doesn't agree with his world view so he chooses to ignore it. He's hateful, not stupid.
The funny thing about a far right ideologue like Matt complaining about “hippies” is that the hippy-to-fascist pipeline is VERY real. The New Age movement more or less fed directly into Qanon…it’s just a weird idea that Matt thinks “hippy=leftist”. Matt, these are YOUR people.
People have consumed fresh raw milk directly of farms since intention of agriculture. But raw milk goes bad very fast so that is why there are laws for pasturisation
i have friends in rural ohio who buy raw milk from amish neighbors. they pasteurize it themselves at home. the amish literally TELL you to boil it so you dont get sick
I'm quite tired too, Kav. Don't feel bad about being tired 🙏 Edit: Also, I am tired the same ways you are. I also struggle immensely with my own OCD and sleep. 🙏
Whats funny is that not everyone gets lung cancer from smoking, but ive never really seen a large number of people claiming that the government is lying to them about cigarettes. Im sure those people exist, but ive never met one that i know of
A lot of people aren't aware that food irradiation - which does NOT make food radioactive - is referred to as "cold pasturization"! And actually, if we DID irradiate certain very problematic foods - like hamburger, Romaine lettuce, cantalope and honeydew melon, to name a few foods quite frequently involved in food-born illness outbreaks - and even quite a few deaths...we would save a lot of lives. But GOOD FREAKIN LUCK getting most Americans to accept THAT - *especially* the conspiracy-minded, anti-science, antivax, "all natural all organic" crunchy granola crowd that won't even accept pasturization (I *also* like my food less processed and with less unnecessary (IMHO) ingredients - attifical colors and flavors and sweateners and thickeners and fillers and preservatives and stablizers...but I just think that it's not super-woo the believe that less heavily processed and prepackaged foods are healthier...I also prefer my animals foods to have a minimum of antibiotics - especially antibiotics given simply to promote growth - but mainly out of concern about contributing to the rise of anti-biotic resistant superbugs. And I am concerned about the effects of agricultural pesticides and synthetic fertilizers that run off into rivers and lakes, and cause algae blooms, and potentially harming the birds and the bees. As well as also creating pesticide/fungicide/whatever-cide resistant critters. And I DO worry about their effects on my body. But I am no anti-science - I am okay with genetically modified foods (as long as the goal is to improve the nutrition and yield and even flavor of the food (and not some ploy by AG firms to create products that give them a monopoly on the market, like so-called "terminator seeds" or enable them to *sue* farmers who own neighboring fields that have been cross-pollinated wirh their patiented genes, or so to create plants that can survive that MASSIVE AMOUNT of pesticides needed to actually kill off the now pesticide immune bugs - amounts of ultrastrong insecticides that are so potent that they kill off the natural native critters - like the bees, and also potent enough to kill most regular non-GMO plants (ALL things Monsanto has done.) But things like Golden Rice, or Falvr Savr Tomatoes and plants that can resist disease and insects WITHOUT the need for GIGATONS of synthetic pesticides and herbacides and fungicides and what-have-you...or need less water or grown in HOTTER dryer climates, then I am all for it. I'm fine with "lab-grown" (really would eventually be called "vat-grown" meat - hell, I'd love the see that affordabe and mainstream! (People are like "Ewww, gross!" - as if eating a recently killed and cut-up animals who's bodies are full of blood and guts and piss and shit and puss and other bodily fluids and hair and Lethe knows what parasites and bacteria and other pathogens and whatnot! I'll bet most of these folks don't even know what heat pasturization is, and if some trusted influencer told them that "Raw milk is safe to drink, but before you do, you should heat it in a pan to xxx degrees for xx minutes then let it cool if you want it cold, to get rid of any *vaccines* the cow may have had when it was younger!" - AND THEY WOULD START DOING IT AND NOT EVEN SEE THE IRONY!! I actually have drank raw milk a couple of times - and eaten raw milk cheeses (the French swear that certain cheeses should only be made with raw milk - which is why you can't import some if the best French cheeses - and maybe something in the cheese making process gets rid of the pathogens...? I mean most cheeses are *cultured*, so maybe to good bacteria kills off the bad...?? (I am just taking a WILD guess!) I drank it - twice, I think, out of curiosity. Tasted good to me. Very creamy. (It was non-homogonized too.) And I might even drink it again - though definitely NOT right NOW with Avian Flu an issue. But I didn't drink because of any porported natural health benefits (nope, that's what the probiotic kefir and goatmilk kefir is for! ;) Hey, probiotic benefits ARE backed up by science!) And I probably wouldn't make a habit of it. And I CERTAINLY would never give it to a child or a very elderly person (other than myself) or someone immuno-compromised. You know, if raw milk was tested and the animals tested, I probably would drink it more often. I know maybe you can't catch EVERY pathogen, some take time to grow - but maybe you can catch most of them.
But our ancestors didnt! Thats the thing! Boiling milk was common. It wasnt pasteurisation but it was good enough. Then theyd turn that milk into things that didnt spoil as fast. Like butter, cheese, yoghurt. And in my culture, a tart made of milk
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 some may habpve boiled it but a lot of people would drink it straight from the cow. Most raw milk fanatics want it straight from the cow, they don’t boil it, according to them boiling it reduces its goodness. Also boiling it is pasteurisation. So why buy raw milk at twice the price and boil it? Crazy.
Unpasteurised milk cheeses tend to taste really nice (as an example, try an unpasteurised milk cheddar against a normal one), but there are food standards which mean I can be confident in buying one in a supermarket that I won’t get ill from it
People were consuming teosinte for thousands of years but it was mostly inedible and probably wore down your teeth or something. Now we have delicious corn on the cob and field corn tortillas. Way more nutritious and it doesn't grind down your teeth.
No, most people in Asia and Africa boil their milk and most African countries do not have a "milk drinking" culture so they don't even consume it to the extent Westerners do. Look up milk boiling processes for ancient Indians. It's a fascinating search. You're just saying things now. Where is your evidence that Africans drink raw milk?
I kept seeing Twitter blue check bots in the replies making Ai photos of like cartoon Neanderthals drinking milk like young link in the legend of zelda 😂😂 i hate having eyes sometimes
Even after thousands of years of dairy consumption as a species, lots of people are still lactose intolerant... so milk ain't necessary amazing for you, even pasteurized.
MAP Walsh: "Don't drink raw milk, it's dangerous."
CHUDs: "I can forgive the biggotry and transphobia, but I draw the line at pasteurization!"
They are bigots, including trans phobia, of course they don’t care or cheer to him.
I know what MAP stands for, do you have any actual evidence or sources that Matt Walsh is a MAP? I hate Matt Walsh as much as you do, trust me, but if you're calling him a MAP without anything to back that up, all it does is gives him reason to discredit you, which is why I ask. I don't want to fuel his reason for not liking us and discrediting us if you know what I mean. Yes I know he's going to discredit us anyways, but I'll rather have it be for bad reasons because of how stupid he is and how unwilling he is to learn and grow as a person, than have it be for legitimate reasons like labeling him as attracted to minors when he isn't, if you know what I mean. Which is why I'm asking why you're saying that. I'm not asserting that he isn't one btw, I just want us to be careful for the reasons I mentioned.
They don't forgive bigotry and transphobia. They openly support it.
@@Moskeetoagreed. I get the reference, but in this case "I agree with" instead of I can forgive would have been more fitting
😂! Exactly!
The great irony of the "people in history used to drink raw milk" argument is that, no, they didn't. Milk was a precious resource that was almost always all converted into cheese, butter and yoghurt in order to last longer and not go rancid in timed before refrigerators.
Nope. In eutope the milkman came with milk every day and people drank milk with every meal. Most Swedish people still do.
@@j.artiste8596 ah, yes, the milkmen of ancient Rome.
Not to mention all the farmers that boiled milk just so they could drink something warm when it was cold, completely unaware that it was beneficial for their health
@@MelMelodyWerner lol. also it was always boiled and drunk warm if it wasnt made into cheese/butter
@@j.artiste8596 as an european with a great-grandma running a farm wich i visited often. They gathered milk for selling it and sometimes we could try it raw but generally it was boiled before consumption. It was possible because they had a few cows very well kept and an immediate consumption prevented the risk of contamination; all the milk kept for longer time had to get boiled. Industrial production needs to lower the costs, so they don't keep the cows perfectly and contamination is a mich higher risk; for general safety ALL the milk is somehow pasteurized. We used to gather the milk, a tank truck passed and gathered the milk from different farms, the milk went to a milk factory for sterilization and later distribution. Even for the milkmen.
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know (Matt Walsh) just made a great point.
don't worry, he made a terrible point immediately afterwards so we have re-attained equilibrium.
Broken analog clock is right twice a day; every other minute it isn’t.
You know you've lost your marbles when flannel shirt man is owning you.
@@valivali8104 I don't know if a broken clock is the best analogy, a better one would be a calendar that always says February 29th
@@amazingdragonboy1202 with MAP walsh, that’s better.
*The Amish pasteurise their milk.*
It's literally just 'heat the milk for a few minutes and you don't die' why would they NOT do that?!
Where are they getting that they do not thou???
@@LauraVanessaEscobarSalazar the just boil the milk in pots
@@LauraVanessaEscobarSalazar few seconds of Google shows that some communities don't pasteurize milk.
@@junjunjamore7735From what I’ve read it seems that the people who drink it raw are in the minority, this makes sense as being Amish is not actually a very old religion and pasteurisation existed before the religion did
@@junjunjamore7735 That doesn't mean they drink it
I have heard raw milk enthusiast say, unironically, that they boiled their raw milk before consuming it🤦♂
in my coutynry milk is sold in some quanitites as unpasterised and is boiled by people.people at large see it superior to pasterised milk cause idnustrrial good are inferior line orf reasoning.i prefere pastrised milk for it nothavign what we call "kajmak" whcih are fats and solids formed on top of milk during boilingh.
that's great, boiling kills bacteria. Its less effective than modern methods but its something at least
My grandmother did it. Every time she was to drink or use some milk. They had contacts with local farmers and milk came from some of them directly, that would be until the 1960s.
But she did it ever since. Putting milk in the coffee straight from the bottle in the fridge was unthinkable for her.
@@darreideamos2309 Yeah, that's what pasteurisation does as well. That's why it's absurd for someone who's against pasteurisation to do it to their milk. They obviously understand the benefits of doing it.
@@darreideamos2309 Yes but the point is that's exactly what pasteurization is!
So they're wasing their money on raw milk that's unpasteurized only to pasteurize it themselves at home.
This actually makes me so sad because the raw milk cope feels like victims of televangelists. They so badly want a magic elixir that will solve all their problems because they can’t admit what the real source of their oppression is. Hint: it’s not heating up milk
A God that has abonabded us
They're probably the same people who believe in the most insane forms of alternative medicine that don't actually work. Snake oil salesmen LOVE these types of people.
@@daraghokane4236 We are all God's abandoned Neo-pets 😂Yeh but nah this life is a test, take care and stay safe brother! 🙏
Well put
@@purpleprinc3 oh my god i need to check on my neopets....
There is a reason people don't drink straight from rivers or lakes
These are the same people drinking raw river water unironically.
You mean the Rothschild globalists don't want me to drink the FREE and NATURAL water ???
This is only true as long as fertilizer waste, 3M and DuPont, and jet skis are in use. Clean fresh water sources still exist, but they’re far fewer than before industrialization.
@@itsirrelevant4565 And in some places with low industrialization, there's still the risk of bacteria like cholera. So water treatment/filtration's just good in general.
But the conservative forefathers drank from lakes, it was the democrats that boiled and drank woke voter.
Yes, raw milk was consumed for thousands of years. Those were the years our population worldwide was WELL under 8-10 *billion.*
do you mean million?
@@shgds I'm comparing it to today.
There are reasons the human population exploded over the last century and a half, namely medical advancement.
You stop kids from going into coal mines and you get less kids dying of black lung. Penicillin is developed and given away for free. You stop putting cocaine in things. You develop an FDA. You get rid of asbestos. You reduce the workday from 16 hours to 8. Lots of things.
The point is, as those measures were introduced, our lifespans got longer, while women stopped having 18 kids to work the farm, with 13 of them dying early.
These changes made human populations explode, BECAUSE we stopped doing everything that was done for millenia before. And so the idea that "it was around for our entire history" is stupid, considering we changed alot over the last 200 years, and now dominate the planet.
The exceptions? Money. Linked global markets.
These people are the same that want gas prices to come down, but refuse to acknowledge the insane oil production going on domestically.
It's all a joke, and we westerners are mentally deficient.
@@shgds Why would he mean million? 8-10 million hasn't been the world population for like, 10,000 years lol. Much less "WELL under" that.
@@leobriccocola8141 because he wrote billion
@@leobriccocola8141 the ximmentir rire bouillon which works here but less than miillionn.
The joke being they would absolutely have boosted Louis Pasteur as an example of western civ's greatness thirty years ago.
Pretty sure you'd only need to go back 10 years for that!
I know right? I just cant keep up anymore.
postmodern rightism. it doesn't have any content, it's just vibes. in 16 months they'll be like "raw milk is a pantsy trend of left wing hipsters" right after they learn that brown, poor people in africa drink milk raw.
they went to Jupiter to get more stupider.
Left civil war: How progressive are the Democrats really and how much should we be supporting them.
Right civil war: Pasteurization is woke.
“The government says it’s bad so it must be good” type beat
I think the left should stop the civil war and start supporting the dems. I know there will be incoming hate messages 😂😂
Don't forget, Right Wing : Black little mermaid erasing white people from history.
OMG :D very well put. :D
It's just one of many fights in the far right about how far back society should go
Are these the idiots that claim Homelander is not a villian?
Yes sadly but obviously yes
he's a based awesome libertarian chad to these lobotomites, they've loved him for a while now
Homelander was right!
(Not really, I just want to be an edgelord.)
They also think they don’t have/use pronouns. Not the sharpest tools.
It's stuff like this when I think "are they just right-wing racists because they enjoy being edgy?" I mean, unlike the comics where everyone is literally a super edgy cartoon villain, you can at least sympathize with homelander in the show. He is unreasonably evil but at the core he is a broken human. But to actually go and say that he's the true hero, you cannot convince me that they think that for any other reason than "edgy = cool"
I really want these people to experience the disgusting and unsanitary world of medieval times, Colonial America or even Victorian London
*nightsoil has entered the chat*
*and your bloodstream*
You know what they’ll do? They drink from that River, they’ll drink from that lake, they’ll drink that milk contaminated with cow sh*t, they’ll do it, and while there puking and cr*ping their guts there guts out, sick with dysentery they’ll look you in the eye and say, “see, I’m perfectly healthy!” Because the worst thing in the world is admitting that you were wrong.
Unfortunately and realistically we'd all have to suffer through it for them to finally realize how absolutely ridiculous they are.
raw milk is sold across the most of the world.
just 19th century London, let them swim in the river, they will not survive (for real people who fell in the river died at that time. There was even a ferry disaster in London at that time over 100 people on the ferry had to make a short swim to shore. Every single one of them DIED from diseases
If conservatives want to drink raw milk then they absolutely should. I think it’s a great idea. They should also stop using sun cream. I fully support them in this.
Maybe in America.
In UK my taxes will have to pay for their ED treatment and melanoma removal surgeries
Indeed. Drink on, conservatives! Drink on! 🥛
And don't wear their seatbelts
And eat raw meat. And run with scissors.
and smoking freedom sticks.
We really haven't been consuming raw milk for thousands of years.
People used to boil their milk.
I grew up in rural area and got milk from neighbours.
Everyone knew you have to boil the milk first.
Or that milk was made into cheese or yogurt to preserve it.
Never Interfere With an Enemy While He's in the Process of Destroying Himself
art of war?
Nah, it's kamasutra/j@@mightymeatymech
Like my dad always says "Don't go around wisen up fools"
Thing is, they are pushing to remove these requirements as well, and when companies can save a cent, they will take it.
We will interfere so far as this is concerned. They want to drink it themselves, fine, go ahead, [deletes their health insurance enrollment]
you're using white supremacist qanon dog whistles
@gunspy im reporting you to the fbi @gunspy
I so wished to say "let the Darwinism do its thing" but I just know innocent children are gonna pay the price for this, again
Sadly, yes. Often children and the elderly are the hardest hit by the dangers of unpasteurized milk
Yes, humans have for centuries consumed raw milk safely when the average life expectancy was like 30 years old.
@@brp361 if people survived first 10 years, they could quite easily live to 50-60 years old. Wars, famines, epidemics, etc. did at times lower life expectancy to 30-40 years old, but even then most people died as babies and children. Raw milk, which wasn’t drunk immediately, boiled or made into products like cheese which don’t spoil as easily, was one of reasons.
It was also easier to keep milk clean since milking was done by hand - how can modern dairy farmers keep raw milk clean enough when they have dozens or hundreds of cows and machines milk dozens of cows at same time? If they couldn’t keep raw milk safe then, how do these idiots think it’s possible today? 🤦🏼♀️
When "humans have done blah blah blah for thousands of years" is an argument, you're not dealing with a critical thinker.
@@valivali8104Some modern cheeses are made from unpasteurised milk.
@@oneoflokis which destroys most of microbies.
@valivali8104 I wonder how the cheese-making process does that? (Though I have read that pregnant women shouldn't eat these nice kinds of cheeses, because of the risk of listeria.)
"Big dairy" would absolutley love to make as much money as possible, so why would they control the need for pasteurisation when they could skip the step and save money by not doing it?
I was wondering the same thing. The dairy industry fought pasteurization 100% of the way until it was made illegal to sell raw milk. If they didn't need to do it, they wouldn't. It costs them money to do it.
@@zoeye7095 like if raw milk was so great. They would totally love to sell it for double the price or pasteurised milk.
Hey now, don't start introducing logic into the raw milk conversation!
@@sandpiperrexactly as it’s clearly not working as even freaking Matt Walsh tried that and miserably failed
These people don't use logic, so their brains don't work.
As a leftist who is also an old school skeptic, I for one am quite pleased to see anti-science woo peddlers continue to consolidate themselves on the right. Also, make no mistake, MAP Walsh would totally be singing the same tune if he thought it was more profitable.
@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t There are still plenty of left-leaners who also distrust authority and government for both rational and irrational reasons. In the end, it's the folks who depend on them that will feel the brunt of the anti-science views.
Older Eastern European here. My peasant, barely educated grandparents, born at the beginning of last century, have ALWAYS boiled the milk from their cows immediately after milking it. Within minutes after milking it. Reason? Raw milk spoils very fast and they hadn't refrigerators. They would be so shocked hearing some people drink milk without boiling first. So nah, drinking raw milk is NOT the traditional practice.
My grandparents learnt to boil milk from their grandparents. And didn't know about bacteria and pasteurization.
@@mihaelabiolan819 Beer was safer to drink than water due to the water in the beer becoming safe to drink in the beer-making process. People didn't understand what made beer safer than water. So they didn't just do to the water without turning it to beer to make it safe but instead thought that beer was simply safer to drink than water. Often, people know something works but misunderstand why.
@@camelopardalis84 indeed! Purely empirical knowledge, without a scientific basis, but still corect, well tested knowledge. The sad part is that now some people misunderstand (deliberately or not) or distrust the scientific knowledge, while lacking that old empirical knowledge...
I'm Swedish, we have a lot of dairy here. Everyone I know grew up drinking raw (not boiled) milk. I didn't know that was even a thing...
@@j.artiste8596 Nordic country. My country is not so cold as yours. Also, if I remember well, you have pretty low density of population - and farms - in countryside, which helps slowing transmission of herd diseases, I guess?
The fact people are fighting over whether or not potentially contaminated milk is healthier than milk that was boiled and filtered is hilarious. This is why we should never gut our education system.
What else is next? Conservatives will say it’s communism and wokeness to be against drinking and driving?
Look up some of people's first reactions when the first legislation was passed against drunk driving - they very much described it as "unamerican" and I do think somebody blamed communism lmao
They did say that when it became illegal
Just search "seatbelt communism"
i got news for you
You know what crazy, Liberals don't know what a woman is and most liberal dudes have low T 😂
According to conservatives, the 1800s was recent enough that pasteurization can’t be considered healthy, but was also long ago enough that descendants of the Atlantic slave trade aren’t allowed to be upset by it. Got it
What’s next? The seatbelt abolitionist movement?
I thought that was a thing - lots of people opposed mandatory seat belts
I remember the outcry here in the US when motorcycle helmet laws were being promoted, so your joke isn't too far from reality.
Don't go knocking on doors looking for the devil because one day he might open
yes.
@Cthulhululu It would be wonderfull if right wingers stopped wearing seat belts. I welcome it.
Everyday Louis Pasteur looked down from the sky, he facepalm.
most of peopel who use raw milk boil it so pasteur wounldnt mind.
I genuinely believe that if you explained the benefits of vaccines, pasteurization etc to people of the past, and then introduced them to modern anti-vaxxers and raw milk drinkers, they'd look at them as if they were completely insane. Like they've probably lost people to these horrible diseases, maybe even gone through it themselves. To tell them there's a simple and painless way to make that not happen, and that there's people who refuse to for reasons that are at best incoherent? They'd look at that as nothing short of complete and utter madness.
@@nikolamilicevic1040its ridiculous because that’s literally what pasteurisation is
@@winterbliss4459 The actual process is much more intensive and the average person wont be able to do it as well but... Yea its better than nothing I guess?
Also… India has been boiling milk for literally millennia. 1500 BCE to 500 BCE is believed to be when Indians started boiling milk.
India and Indian means "fake".
@@adnanbosnian5051 what
@@adnanbosnian5051What do you mean by that?
@@camelopardalis84 I wonder why is my reply hidden to me but some of you can see it. Maybe only Indians can see it by some sorcery. Its a complex topic and you wouldnt get it probably. Just like they call they called Native Americans "Indians", they call the people of HINDUSTAN "Indians" for the SAME reason. They are liars. And wouldnt they reach China, Korea, Japan, etc before India?
I dont think I can even explain more without the comment being deleted by TheyTube. Also tired of trolls and racists who call me racist for exposing their racism.
Most of the societies that had dairy producing animals actually boiled milk too. People all over the world have known about the benefits of boiling milk since the beginning.
Oh fuck me so I agree with Matt Walsh on something
If it makes you feel better, this shouldn't be controversial at all.
Remember the old expression: a stopped clock is right twice a day.
A broken clock with bad takes is right twice a day
A broken clock is right twice a day! But this modern digital clock that is hooked up to the internet is always correct, so dont forget to throw out that broken clock! 😃
Definitely not a good sign when the right has become so insane that not even Matt Walsh can keep up.
I dunno man I kind of love it. Matt Walsh is a ghoul and to see him fully attacked for the one decent thing he's ever said is pretty glorious.
I am outing myself as an vaccinated vegan, a science believer, a rune living German who is antifascist, a non raw milk drinker big pharma critic who is also glad that someone figured out what bacteria is and how to kill them.
You can be both...
Based
We can forgive all of that, but draw the line at being German!...
"I'm a vegan ... who doesn't drink raw milk"
Well duh
What is "both"? Sounds more like understanding that just because an entity is bad doesn't automatically mean everything related to that entity is bad.
Scientific advances can be appropriated for our needs, yes.
There’s a reason even family members who own a dairy won’t gift me raw milk. They give me as close to raw as they can, but it’s not completely raw. They understand the risks of raw.
That's because commercial dairies are inhumane and many of their cows suffer from running infections and that's part of why their feed is fortified with antibiotics and also part of why pasteurization is required for most commercial dairies. It's not because of the milk, it's the process.
Drinking raw milk is like covid.
Probably nothing bad will happen.
You can drink it for years and nothing goes wrong.
But it CAN go wrong, and if it does, it's really going to suck.
@@darwinism8181 Let me begin by telling you COWS in the milk herd can't receive Antibiotics in their feed unless they are being treated for a disease or infection and if they are being treated that milk can not go into the milk supply. In the U S every load of milk that is picked up on a farm is tested for antibiotics before it enters the supply chain.
@@darwinism8181 dude everyone who ever owned a cow knows you have to boil the milk before you drink it.
Even if you treat her like your best friend.
@@darwinism8181 have you ever been to a farm? Or do you get all your information from people who have never seen a cow and assume that a couple awful farmers are the whole lot. Most farmers want to make sure their animals are as healthy and comfortable as they can because farmers have empathy too
Drink the raw milk, not for political beliefs, BUT FOR THE CHALLENGE TO SURVIVE
In small (shot glass/day) quantities, it's probably a viable "ghetto/shadetree inoculation" method for people who don't have access to manufactured vaccines but do have access to healthy dairy herds unaffected by any particular pathogen of concern. 🤔
I mean I guess if you like bovine tuberculosis, have at it!
Imagine Matt Walsh arguing in favor of science and being right for once and getting heat for it from his conservative buddies...
How natural do they think our food is going to be when our soil, air, and water is like 85% microplastics? We can't go back to living off the land even if we tried.
This is a great point, though of course they won't realize that if they never acknowledge the climate crisis is real
how do uncontacted tribes in the Amazon continue to live then?
@@WastedBananas because there are few of them. There are too many people alive. Before nitrogen was able to be chemically extracted in 19th century all people had was natural fertilizers the best one being bird poop, there was not enough. There was a real risk of a huge worldwide hunger because agroculture wasn't able to keep up with feeding so many humans. Then nitrogen fertilizers were invented and agrocultural production was able to skyrocket and so did human population
Also most of our vegetables have been selectively-bred for human consumption for centuries if not milennia. If they wanted to eat natural, I hope they like seeds.
wrong. we can go back to living off the land
plus im whyt im more oppressed than blvvvk people plus i use the hard word ALL THE TIME and all my favorite music says it too and they're whyt. you know the hard word? the one with the letter. its the letter of the alphabet which is "n"
We’re really re-learning what it must have been like for early scientists who had to fight against the gross ignorance of peasants.
We don't believe in germ theory any more.
Peasant brain is a powerful thing
A lot of the knowledge and innovation we enjoy today comes from those peasants. They were poor, not stupid.
then, as now, The Church was a bigger threat to Science than The Peasants. The Church is invested in The Status Quo.
@@Can_think_of_a_name well you cant be too smarty-pants without being able to read. and big chunk of humanity 99,9% couldn't read. you just had to do things according to how you felt about it. you could even build houses without being able to read. i think.
why would you mass teach peasants reading? thats just asking for revolutions against their very benevolent king emperor ruler.
who only takes 99,99% of what you have every year.
Let them fight.
The fact that there’s room for this conversation indicates that our species is doing everything we can to ideologically examine bottling, shipping, marketing, pricing, and sanitation of a PRODUCT…. But nothing for the health of the land or the animals the resource comes from.
I’ve bought raw milk before because I needed type B milk for my allergies. I ALWAYS pasteurised it myself before drinking.
as od most of people consuming raw milk
@@nikolamilicevic1040 The 3 people I know who drink raw milk don't heat it before drinking it. They tried to get me to try it and looked at me like I was nuts when I said I wouldn't drink it without being heated first. I already have enough health problems without running the risk of ending up in the hospital with Listeria or worse. Lol
@@zoeye7095one of my aunts tried to give it to me as a kid and my mom was like ok, but you definitely are going to boil it first
Matt Walsh made his bed so now he has to sleep in it.
At first I was annoyed that you posted a tweet from the very gross Matt Walsh that I actually agreed with. But watching his followers lose their minds brought me back around.
MAP Walsh*
My Instant Pot has a pasturise setting
FYI, humans DID NOT drink cow's milk for even a tiny part of our history. Domestic cows alone are a new thing. Regularly drinking cow's milk AS AN ADULT is a 20th century thing.
It has been common in nomadic cultures for millennia, but arguably those cattle (also sheep, goats, camels, buffalo, yak were used for milk) were not modern cows
But milk has been used for cuisine like for butter, ghee, and many types of cheeses which do have much less lactose than just milk itself
What about the Masai? (And I BET they don't boil their milk.)
@@samuell.foxton4177 Even if the milked animals of millennia ago are radically different from the modern dairy cows, the concern remains the same. So many pathological diseases that ravaged populations came from other animals, it really is just a terrible lottery to win.
We know, as a matter of fact, that milk that has been pasteurized is safer to drink so why even take chances? Even if the nutritional value is notably higher in raw milk, the risks are just too great, and we're supposed to eat a diverse range of foods as it is.
I sure do hate tuberculosis, it’d be a shame if a cow that has it somehow transfers it into my milk! That sure would be inconvenient!! 😂😂
In CA they literally test cows for tuberculosis if they are going to produce raw milk.
And tuberculosis isnt just some silly lung disease. It can get into your spine and then you end up paralysed.
Don't forget cultures in India that have a rich history of milk, yogurt, lassi, ghee, etc. There are cultures that revere the cow because of how much their culture is built around milk products.
I'm not actually sure that they promote fresh milk though.
There are also people in Mongolia that use a lot of yak milk.
And where there isn't access to pasteurization, a lot of cultures consume their dairy as cheese or yogurt rather than fresh, because the process of making it kills many harmful bacteria
South Asians tend not to be lactose intolerant, East Asians tend to be
Yeah, India historically relied on boiling milk and making yoghurt/cheese, hence it being in so many dishes and even being the default fat for frying (ghee).
Even today\*, you don’t buy milk in India (you can, but it’s rarer) but rather powder which you mix with boiling water.
*Might be as much as 15 years out of date, I don’t talk to that side of my family much.
@@TTIOttioI live in India, second part is actually not true. We either buy raw milk from a dairy and boil it thoroughly before consuming it or we buy pasteurised milk in packets... Which we also boil lol.
@@Taurus388 fair enough. As I say, 15 years out of date! It was the case for punjab when I stayed with my folks there back in the early 2000s, but that was also a time when most people didn't have Internet 🤷
The raw milk crowd should also start drinking natural sea and still and ground water drink from random streams no need to boil it or anything all natural
i second this
Raw milk drinker, I do drink from natural sources that aren't standing water and I do enjoy an aerated sip of seawater with a good blue rare burger. most raw milk drinkers I know are absolute filthgoblins like me, the kinds of people who have weird rituals and superstitions and personal beliefs about the world that are based entirely on personal interpretation. I don't believe in black cats and I walk under ladders, but I burn my hair instead of putting it in the garbage when I brush and I won't wear matching socks and I drink raw milk and eat shaved ginger. I am aware of all of the complications that can arise from my actions, my mom is a biologist and I've had an insane love for microbiology my whole life. If I had to die, I would love to go out as an anthrax farm or by discovering decabotulism.
The first, and probably last time, Matt Walsh actually makes sense. Raw milk could literally kill a human being if not boiled/processed.
Flat Earthers must get awfully confused about anti-globalists. Or are Anti-globalists also flat Earthers?
10:20 - now we know how RFK got his brain worms 😂
9:00 ahh yes, the industries lobbied the government to make it so they *checks notes* have to do an expensive time consuming process that reduces profit margins?
Pasteurization costs money. Even if you postulate dairies would not mind killing off consumers (which is kind of self-defeating for those seeking profit) why would they spend more to produce a good if they want maximum profit? Clearly there is a benefit or else the money would not be spent. Even taking the most dismal view of the motives of farmers and retailers, if they spend money on something they believe there is some benefit, such as leaving consumers alive to buy more.
It’s because of regulations. They cannot sell it if it isn’t pasteurised. Not selling it pasteurised will lead to the companies being fucked for not doing such thing. You do forget they do it because they have no other option? You’re actually stupid
That's one of the weird things about the arguments against pasteurization. They are arguing being cheap is worth causing an outbreak. The line of thinking is just so weird.
Bats where cheap in the Chinese market
Louis Pasteur was a French Catholic and not a businessman either.
He was hired to help save the wine industry though.
I guess they think that drinking raw milk will transform them into Homelander
Who is this Homelander?
@@oneoflokis The main antagonist in the superheros TV show "The Boys". A very powerfull character, dressed in an american flag, inspired to some extend by Donald Trump and who is famous for is milk fetish
@bawonsamdi I see! I have heard of the Amazon Prime series but not watched it.
Yummers
let them drink raw milk. if they get sick they can just mix in some horse paste with their next glass of raw milk. honestly, I had no idea that so many grown ass adults drink milk in general. like 65% of the human population has some level of lactose intolerance. thats the majority.
A topper of horse dewormer, for flavor
If they want to really be natural, why are they drinking another animal's milk? They should be drinking human milk. Or is there a side of TikTok doing that too?
yes
Great to hear you mention the link between animal exploitation and pandemic risk. It is one of the reasons I’m vegan. If we continue to farm animals in cramped, filthy conditions, it’s only a matter of time for another pandemic to spread.
And obviously there is the ethical issue of forcefully impregnating a mother cow, then taking their calf away once their born, milking her for profit, then repeating the cycle until her body is too weak and she is sent to a slaughterhouse to have her throat cut at a fraction of her life span.
So milk is cruel and unnecessary, whether it’s pasteurised or not.
For most of my life I didn't knew what the pasteurization proces was exactly. I assumed It was some kind of complex chemical process, but It is just heating up the milk
It's pretty obvious if you look up the original practice by Louis Pasteur.
Milk that is sold is not just pasteurised, but also homogenised. If you want to keep your milk as natural as possible, only heat it up to the point that is necessary to pasteurise it and do nothing else to it.
If you mix the milk from 1000 cows in a big tank, and one of those cows had contaminated milk then the whole tank is contaminated. Pasteurization is just basic food safety and common sense when you're processing tens of thousands of gallons of milk per day.
Not actually. At least for some milk poisoning i forgot, then the milk tank will dilute said poisoned milk. But if its bacteria, yeah nah it will multiply and contaminate everything.
I used to work on a diary farm every summer, i was not good at my job i regularly dropped the suction cups into cow shit and wouldn't do a great job cleaning them because i was so slow and struggled to keep up, i also once milked a cow with Maistics ( a disease that is basically milk rotting inside the udder)
For the love of god dont drink raw milk
it's never a good day when i can unironically agree with matt walsh.
I say, let'em drink it. Some people have to learn the hard way.
They did 😑😑😑 Some people have strong immunity system.
The fact that someone even has to say that raw milk is dangerous is *astounding* .
I swear, ppl will turn everything to a political issue. 😅
"Do not eat raw cookie dough, it contains raw eggs and salmonella!" -Big Brother, 1984
"transprobiotics"?
...She made that up, didn't she?
They might want to try butter that says "I can't believe it's not butter" hehehehe
The "crunchy" right is the lolcow-est, change my mind
Let them drink the raw milk. They should already know it’s not safe. It’s like a little kid touching fire for the first time except these are grown ass adults
I just don't drink milk. The idea of drinking another animal's milk has become kind of weird. It's not even that good.
glad im not the only one who feels this way... i mean ill use it for cereal or oatmeal, and it's always in my house, but idk i've never liked just straight drinking milk. it's kinda nasty, lowkey. it just has its uses for many things, it's an ingredient and i'll never see it as a standalone beverage. i am a milk hater.
That's why i'm only drinking _human_ milk from now on, it's far less weirder 😌
Milk is a great, easy source of protein, fats, and carbs for people who struggle to get proper nutrition. Like lower income/impoverished people and in my case, somebody recovering from an ED and trying to maintain my weight. Call it 'weird' if you want, I'd argue eating eggs is way more strange if you stop and think about it.
@@ard4461 they are cheaper to purchase because the government blows all of the taxes you pay on subsidies for animal products. Without these subsidies most people would consume way less.
@@pootis1699 There are impoverished people around the world and I wasn't referring to just tax-paying Americans with that comment. As for myself, I can't afford to restrict my diet even further. Money wise AND health wise.
EDIT: Also I did the math and of the 4.4 trillion dollars collected from American taxpayers, 0.75% of it (30 billion) went to agriculture subsidies. Corn growers are the largest recipients of these subsidies, followed by soybeans, and then sugar. So... no, the government does not "blow all our taxes on animal products" they blow it on the military lol
I don't think this is anti-capitalst really, just like fash aren't really against it.
It's more about creating niche markets spurred by rw wellness creators/influencers and small farms pushing deregulated methods of agricultural distribution. This is based on my experiencing my mom felling down that rabbit hole.
I didn't mind a sip or two of fresh milk when I was at the farm. But even my grandparents wouldn't drink a whole glass of it.
notice how he was canceled for not aligning with the party stance on raw milk and not over the fact he thinks it's inappropriate to teach children how to say no to unwanted touching?
Whatever distracts them for the time being, they are clearly in a combative mood.
I support MAGA in drinking raw milk. I wouldn't drink it because I'm not stupid.
Good vid, and the Matt Walsh aspect of this is super interesting. I had a couple of friends try to (figuratively) die on the hill of raw milk, and I've always viewed it an opening to the very real crunchy-to-alt right pipeline.
Wow, Matt Walsh actually understood a scientific fact! From real life! That's never been witnessed before!
I think he understands the science he misrepresents but it usually doesn't agree with his world view so he chooses to ignore it. He's hateful, not stupid.
There actually ARE "Raw Water" drinkers...
Videos that make me want to grab a tall glass of pasteurized 2% milk
So they're going for "Survival of the fittest" challenge. Well, not bad. Good riddance.
The funny thing about a far right ideologue like Matt complaining about “hippies” is that the hippy-to-fascist pipeline is VERY real. The New Age movement more or less fed directly into Qanon…it’s just a weird idea that Matt thinks “hippy=leftist”. Matt, these are YOUR people.
People have consumed fresh raw milk directly of farms since intention of agriculture. But raw milk goes bad very fast so that is why there are laws for pasturisation
They always boiled it, and mist of the time it was made into milk, cheese, etc
i have friends in rural ohio who buy raw milk from amish neighbors. they pasteurize it themselves at home. the amish literally TELL you to boil it so you dont get sick
Its nice to see them have a taste of their own medicine!
of course the second he says something that _isn't_ profoundly stupid and hateful, they turn on him.
I'm quite tired too, Kav. Don't feel bad about being tired 🙏
Edit: Also, I am tired the same ways you are. I also struggle immensely with my own OCD and sleep. 🙏
ocd is such a nightmare, it really is.
Whats funny is that not everyone gets lung cancer from smoking, but ive never really seen a large number of people claiming that the government is lying to them about cigarettes. Im sure those people exist, but ive never met one that i know of
A lot of people aren't aware that food irradiation - which does NOT make food radioactive - is referred to as "cold pasturization"! And actually, if we DID irradiate certain very problematic foods - like hamburger, Romaine lettuce, cantalope and honeydew melon, to name a few foods quite frequently involved in food-born illness outbreaks - and even quite a few deaths...we would save a lot of lives. But GOOD FREAKIN LUCK getting most Americans to accept THAT - *especially* the conspiracy-minded, anti-science, antivax, "all natural all organic" crunchy granola crowd that won't even accept pasturization (I *also* like my food less processed and with less unnecessary (IMHO) ingredients - attifical colors and flavors and sweateners and thickeners and fillers and preservatives and stablizers...but I just think that it's not super-woo the believe that less heavily processed and prepackaged foods are healthier...I also prefer my animals foods to have a minimum of antibiotics - especially antibiotics given simply to promote growth - but mainly out of concern about contributing to the rise of anti-biotic resistant superbugs. And I am concerned about the effects of agricultural pesticides and synthetic fertilizers that run off into rivers and lakes, and cause algae blooms, and potentially harming the birds and the bees. As well as also creating pesticide/fungicide/whatever-cide resistant critters. And I DO worry about their effects on my body.
But I am no anti-science - I am okay with genetically modified foods (as long as the goal is to improve the nutrition and yield and even flavor of the food (and not some ploy by AG firms to create products that give them a monopoly on the market, like so-called "terminator seeds" or enable them to *sue* farmers who own neighboring fields that have been cross-pollinated wirh their patiented genes, or so to create plants that can survive that MASSIVE AMOUNT of pesticides needed to actually kill off the now pesticide immune bugs - amounts of ultrastrong insecticides that are so potent that they kill off the natural native critters - like the bees, and also potent enough to kill most regular non-GMO plants (ALL things Monsanto has done.)
But things like Golden Rice, or Falvr Savr Tomatoes and plants that can resist disease and insects WITHOUT the need for GIGATONS of synthetic pesticides and herbacides and fungicides and what-have-you...or need less water or grown in HOTTER dryer climates, then I am all for it.
I'm fine with "lab-grown" (really would eventually be called "vat-grown" meat - hell, I'd love the see that affordabe and mainstream! (People are like "Ewww, gross!" - as if eating a recently killed and cut-up animals who's bodies are full of blood and guts and piss and shit and puss and other bodily fluids and hair and Lethe knows what parasites and bacteria and other pathogens and whatnot!
I'll bet most of these folks don't even know what heat pasturization is, and if some trusted influencer told them that "Raw milk is safe to drink, but before you do, you should heat it in a pan to xxx degrees for xx minutes then let it cool if you want it cold, to get rid of any *vaccines* the cow may have had when it was younger!" - AND THEY WOULD START DOING IT AND NOT EVEN SEE THE IRONY!!
I actually have drank raw milk a couple of times - and eaten raw milk cheeses (the French swear that certain cheeses should only be made with raw milk - which is why you can't import some if the best French cheeses - and maybe something in the cheese making process gets rid of the pathogens...? I mean most cheeses are *cultured*, so maybe to good bacteria kills off the bad...?? (I am just taking a WILD guess!) I drank it - twice, I think, out of curiosity. Tasted good to me. Very creamy. (It was non-homogonized too.) And I might even drink it again - though definitely NOT right NOW with Avian Flu an issue. But I didn't drink because of any porported natural health benefits (nope, that's what the probiotic kefir and goatmilk kefir is for! ;) Hey, probiotic benefits ARE backed up by science!) And I probably wouldn't make a habit of it.
And I CERTAINLY would never give it to a child or a very elderly person (other than myself) or someone immuno-compromised.
You know, if raw milk was tested and the animals tested, I probably would drink it more often. I know maybe you can't catch EVERY pathogen, some take time to grow - but maybe you can catch most of them.
Raw milk is beyond dangerous. It’s a shame he doesn’t drink it.
Those comments saying we’ve drunk raw milk through history..yeah and you were lucky if you reached your 2nd birthday or lived longer than 50 yrs.
But our ancestors didnt! Thats the thing!
Boiling milk was common. It wasnt pasteurisation but it was good enough. Then theyd turn that milk into things that didnt spoil as fast. Like butter, cheese, yoghurt. And in my culture, a tart made of milk
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 some may habpve boiled it but a lot of people would drink it straight from the cow. Most raw milk fanatics want it straight from the cow, they don’t boil it, according to them boiling it reduces its goodness. Also boiling it is pasteurisation. So why buy raw milk at twice the price and boil it? Crazy.
Unpasteurised milk cheeses tend to taste really nice (as an example, try an unpasteurised milk cheddar against a normal one), but there are food standards which mean I can be confident in buying one in a supermarket that I won’t get ill from it
Lol, its like Captain America: Civil War, but with more milk and racism
Even nomadic animal herders boil their milk over a fire before drinking it...
People were consuming teosinte for thousands of years but it was mostly inedible and probably wore down your teeth or something. Now we have delicious corn on the cob and field corn tortillas. Way more nutritious and it doesn't grind down your teeth.
I love how these people think that pasteurised milk is cheaper to produce/sell, even though it actually adds extra steps to the production process
14:32 much like you cant stop the wave of diarrhea you will get, from drinking the raw milk 😔
Raw milk is not a conservative American thing. Most people who consume raw milk are in Africa and Asia. "Tommy" is cherry picking again.
As I surmised!
No, most people in Asia and Africa boil their milk and most African countries do not have a "milk drinking" culture so they don't even consume it to the extent Westerners do. Look up milk boiling processes for ancient Indians. It's a fascinating search. You're just saying things now. Where is your evidence that Africans drink raw milk?
Are you cherry picking?
@@gachamansama3703 I prefer apples.
@@jamesbaxter9150 LOL okay I'll give you that one
Maybe they should change the name to “freedom milk” to go with their not French freedom fries.
A few years ago they yelled "drinking milk is unnatural" or even "MILK CAUSES CANCER" and now this.
Heat milk? What am i a chemist!!!!?????
Absolutely impossible for milk for another species baby to have health benefits for adult humans.
I kept seeing Twitter blue check bots in the replies making Ai photos of like cartoon Neanderthals drinking milk like young link in the legend of zelda 😂😂 i hate having eyes sometimes
Even after thousands of years of dairy consumption as a species, lots of people are still lactose intolerant... so milk ain't necessary amazing for you, even pasteurized.