@@MsDrSantana This is the correct answer. Dr. Peterson couldn't stay long after the event/podcast, but spared a few minutes to record this video with Christina.
@@AEI This felt like such a missed opportunity in my opinion. This format is so much better. Jordan Peterson did a great one on one interview with Camile Paglia and I was hoping the same would happen here. We need another sit down discussion with these two intellectuals
@@popland1977 I agree. The podcast was enjoyable with good insight into JBP as a person, but it seemed to somewhat be directed to the audience as an introduction to him and the discussion revolving around him. This video was a lot more engaging, definitely very much like the Camile Paglia sit down.
I love it how Hoff Sommers darts around and Peterson listens and quickly adds some of his ideas based on what she said. Then he takes the lead and darts around, then she adds her ideas on to what he's said. It's a really dynamic discussion that I commonly see when Sommers is in the panel.
Mario mario well, good job on addin nothing of value, just some empty criticism. If you want to see Peterson's ideas get challenged, check the hard-ball debates (Benatar, Harris, Daughtry). They also add a lot of entertainment value and some really good debating.
@@nelsonhernandez3259 already did and nor do I need to since anyone with any ounce of intelligence can refute the garbage Peterson the Deepak chopra of incels spews. " its not true unless it serves life" and his 40 minute diatribe of whether he believes jesus rose from the dead. Spare the pseudo intellectual drivel.
Well, considering she was out there against the feminist insanity even before Dr. Peterson it's probably a massive relief to gain a powerful ally like him. Was probably a lonely fight she was engaged in before this new awakening.
Someone needs to build a more efficient accreditation system. People have amazing amounts of knowledge, yet the only people society credits are those who have the money and time to come kneel at the feet of the academic clergy.
@@Mariomario-gt4oy Just the type of intellectual commentary we crave these days. Thanks for the deep insight. Hopefully, your type of academic meaning and understanding will continue to grow in our universities until all who graduate from those hallowed halls have the mastery of discourse that you do. It's a little late for me as I'm one of those "fuckboys" who languishes in the land of make believe and have never had the good fortune to deal with "reality". It's just so harsh. Thankfully, we have the modern wisdom that those of your ilk are so generous to share with us in order to help us navigate our way to some semblance of reality......whatever that is.
It's been a goal of mine for a long time to read the entire Western Canon - ever since I was a teenager. Back then I realized, just as was mentioned in the video, their fundamental place within our great culture.
Christina Hoff Sommers is an exceptionally brilliant person. I don’t agree with everything she says but she is very articulate and open minded. Her conversational ability is exceptional and she is very logical. Kudos to both Christina and Jordan for this discussion.
Great little video. We've been a little spoiled with the three hours long deep conversations - so I wish this video was much longer! But thanks a lot anyway.
Christina Hoff Sommers is very profound philosopher herself. I loved reading all her books. (The War Against Boys, One Nation Under Therapy, Who Stole Feminism.) The One Nation Under Therapy was pretty prophetic of what's going on now with the social justice warriors who've been indoctrinated into needing help from the authorities for every emotional hurt. She co-wrote it with Sally Satel, another excellent thinker, writer and psychiatrist.
Hey M. Santana did you watch her discussion with Camille Paglia? It will be very interesting to see JBP, Camille Paglia and Hoff Sommer together for a 3hr discussion on societal ills
Lmao so in other words " i agree with people who spew conspiracies that confirm my bias" Wow. Bravo. Like any other dipshit on the internet. you have no clue how reality works outside your delusional bubble
If these 2 could team up and go on tour together for Intelectual thought-provoking lectures... They can cause a shift in our culture that will give society the change that it needs
Christina - I first came across a video (which I haven’t been able to find again) in which you described how you taught philosophy. You would teach philosophy A and get your students to agree. Then you’d teach philosophy B... which conflicted with philosophy A... and your kids would agree B is right and A was wrong. Then you’d go to C conflicting with B, etc. Ultimately, you had the kids see that there is a lot of nuance in the world.I really admire that approach...particularly in light of the existing political tensions. While both the Left and Right have their extremists (the Left being more concerning at the moment), I believe your approach to teaching philosophy and having a philosophy dovetails nicely with Peterson’s comment that Left and Right should be viewed as yin and yang, not enemies. Maybe there is an opportunity to create a RUclips series that speaks to philosophies that cater to those on the Left and others on the Right..and how each philosophy has strengths that both sides of the political aisle should know and acknowledge...and weaknesses that both sides should know and the philosophy advocate should strongly acknowledge.
Having seen these two together twice now, I truly want them to tour with each other. I realize one reason they wouldn't is to avoid rumors of impropriety. But if Jordan Peterson can tour with a gay man (who I also like) with zero controversy, then I think he can tour alongside Christina Hoff Sommers with great success. Just a hope of mine.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Unfortunately, that doesn't stop people from starting rumors. Obviously he loves Tammy and she enjoys going with him. But even in the comments on this video I've seen talk of Christina having a "crush" and being "in love" with him. That idea, which is cute now, could turn into wild assumptions if Peterson and Sommers were on tour together. I don't think that's reason enough for them to avoid the idea of touring, but I can understand why they wouldn't, ergo "avoid the very appearance of evil." Those of us who follow his work closely know that he isn't that kind of man. But people make up all kinds of things about him, you know?
Jordan Peterson is clearly the greatest Canadian of the 20th/21st century. I myself have read Gilgamesh, some of the Bible, The Iliad and the Odyssey, Some Plato, The Aeneid, The Gallic War by Julius Caesar, Shakespeare, Dickens, H.G. Wells and many others. I am immeasurably enriched by experiencing these works.
Both of these incredible scholars highlight, for me, the most important point at the foundation of all these cultural firestorms: We've moved from the 'information age' to the 'misinformation age'. It falls to the consumer of the data to figure out what is valid information and what is not. The unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of the population struggle to get it right due to many reasons not least of which is the deliberate propaganda of falsehoods designed to influence public opinion from many different angles. There's much to do.
Reading can be exhausting after a day of work. Especially if all your work is reading. That listening to a book is just more convenient to people in order to give their eyes a break.
I was skeptical of this discussion, not sure whether to agree or not (mostly agreeing), and then they said this: Sommers: "And you should probably know something about a conversation that has been taking place among 'geniuses, creative geniuses' over the century with one another and how . . . Jordan: "Who else would you want to listen to?" Sommers: "Of course!" People cannot decide for themselves what is "genius literature" or not; they have to have someone, perhaps even a group of people, decide for them? How will they develop, as Jordan said: "their ability to sift through the chaff and get to the wheat"? I do not think Jordan has faith in people like he says he does. This is also an interesting comment that Sommers made: "I think it was Andrea Gilles who said: 'Everything important to say has been said, but nobody's listening'; so you have to say it again, and again, and again . . " Why is nobody listening? Probably because in their (i.e. Sommers and Jordan) ideology, they do not trust people to think; so the people get lazy. Also, I couldn't help but think that Sommers and Jordan do not want people to "listen" and think critically, as they want to remain smarter (more intelligent?) than their students.
When she first started speaking, I thought "Uh oh, she's out to trap him". As she continued however, I became endeared to her eccentricities! What a lovely lady. Btw, Jordan is a hero to me...
Rudyard Kipling's grave of a hundred head is the poem that got me into reading as a young man. Thanks go out to a fifth grade teacher for reaching outside the box for that gem.
Hi Mayreni, He doesn't list podcast there, he says "People are listening to Podcasts like made and lengthy ones too. As far as Podcasts go I dont really know, I like to listen to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson has his own channel, I listen to.
Based mom, as always at the forefront of the cultural curve, and thereby proving that excellent values are eternal and eternally radical and contemporary.
Long before I have ever heard about Jordan Peterson I have read Dostoevsky. Brothers Karamazov is absolutely the best piece of literature I have ever read. And, one day I was surfing the net to see if there was any lecture on Dostoevsky. And there it was this guy who was filming his lectures. He was a bit chubby and quite eloquent. So I started following the guy. Things he said resonated with my own thoughts. I was even critical about some of his views on Crime and Punishment, but, nevertheless, we were still on the same page, and, now 4-5 years later he is a superstar, and I'm still a nobody.
Great discussion, but don't leave it there! You should follow up with more! I would love to hear either party's views on the relevance of the works of Jane Austen.
So, two like-minded people agree. It would be more interesting to see someone actually challenge their beliefs in a calm, reasoned manner. This is too much like a "safe space" discussion. Now, abandoning the traditional Western canon is of course nonsense. But what if we instead expand the number of perspectives and ideas we have in the Western canon?
Peterson has great reasoning on the idea of canon and the criticism it's gotten lately. Defining what constitutes the canon technically is not an issue, as he said. However, the criticism is so unclear and vague, actually it's non-existent. Hashtag keep-canon-of-litterature. Great discourse by Hoff Sommers and Peterson!
Truth that you have NOT SEEN is very moving when you first see it. If someone else HAS seen that particular truth it will clearly be less moving to them.
Will someone please link me to the universities that are banning, or even that are *no longer requiring* courses that teach the Western cannon for a degree in the humanities?
Thank you Christina you're an amazing woman. Thank you for all your good work. My mom has recently passed and you remind me of her. Reasoned arguments based on facts and history, what a concept! It almost seems like common sense. When teaching children my mother always said patience and repetition. I know it may seem like you have to keep repeating yourself but please stick with it. These kids today and I say kids maybe some of them are college students but they act like kids need to hear an alternative viewpoint , The Marxist, radical feminist and racist crap they're being taught is absolutely toxic. Our society is being assaulted. It is a multi-pronged attack. Through the media the universities politicians and unlimited immigration the values we stand for will be utterly eroded. People take for granted the amazing society that we have built. The America we know and love will not make it through another 20 years of this. Please keep up the good work. I continue to educate myself and spread the word anyway I can, but I can do more. I will.
I hate to make such a vulgar comment on such a wonderful video but dialogue between these two intellectuals less than an hour long is a feeling akin to being teased for the same amount of time. We the audience are hungry for longer format discussions! With that said, it was still superb considering the time that was given but ultimately it lacked proper depth
2:55 true, its barely possible to do it on the individual level. Its hard to distinguish scientific peterson from peterson 'the symbolist' Which culture is at the bottom for an individual from a diffrent culture? The current one, or the one he was born in? Needs clarification. This doesn't mean that the claim is scientifically relevant. Some prefer low-fantasy and some high-fantasy. But high-fantasy won't become 'historical' fact just because its riggorous. 7:55 is clearly talking about subjective to intersubjective value, which means any idea living today has essentialy value. "IF other people see the value" . The lowest standard for value i have ever heared. No riggor needed. Thats essentialy the most post-modern claim ever. Great art fights for itself? How about letting it fight. The irony is that someone telling you its great art is the exact opposite. Being possesed isn't the same as letting the idea speak for itself. Sure it speaks through you, but so does everything any ideological person repreats.
Without great art, music, and literature our culture’s foundation is lost and our souls are impoverished. We are then like branches that have rejected the tree that gives us life.
The recycling of ideas and the lack of interest in the classics kind of explains why there are so many "new" "independent" "opressed" ideas out there. People simply don't realize that the trendy "new idea" has been thought (and tested) before.
For the love of all that's holy, PLEASE take the orange rubber clamps down and replace them with something less obtrusive. You keep using the cool wide low dolly shot and it's great, but those clamps have got to go
heart warming. two intelligent, healthy minded people ENJOYING (!) talking to each other, and we sit, learn, and enjoy ourselves. real, subtle culture in action!
Is it just me but aren't they mostly in agreement. She says the same things he says and even contributes to his statements. But I feel like I am predisposed to disagree with Jordan. What am I misunderstanding? Its not ok when he says it but when she does it is. total messes with my mind.
Why isn’t this at least an hour long?
Because they did a longer one on the same day, here: ruclips.net/video/QBR1G8DlH9A/видео.html
@@MsDrSantana This is the correct answer. Dr. Peterson couldn't stay long after the event/podcast, but spared a few minutes to record this video with Christina.
@@AEI This felt like such a missed opportunity in my opinion. This format is so much better. Jordan Peterson did a great one on one interview with Camile Paglia and I was hoping the same would happen here. We need another sit down discussion with these two intellectuals
@@popland1977 I agree. The podcast was enjoyable with good insight into JBP as a person, but it seemed to somewhat be directed to the audience as an introduction to him and the discussion revolving around him. This video was a lot more engaging, definitely very much like the Camile Paglia sit down.
So beautiful
I love it how Hoff Sommers darts around and Peterson listens and quickly adds some of his ideas based on what she said. Then he takes the lead and darts around, then she adds her ideas on to what he's said. It's a really dynamic discussion that I commonly see when Sommers is in the panel.
yeah she is awesome
Hoff is one of the most underrated intellectuals on the planet
Jerking each other off for a minute. How amusing.
Mario mario well, good job on addin nothing of value, just some empty criticism.
If you want to see Peterson's ideas get challenged, check the hard-ball debates (Benatar, Harris, Daughtry). They also add a lot of entertainment value and some really good debating.
@@nelsonhernandez3259 already did and nor do I need to since anyone with any ounce of intelligence can refute the garbage Peterson the Deepak chopra of incels spews. " its not true unless it serves life" and his 40 minute diatribe of whether he believes jesus rose from the dead.
Spare the pseudo intellectual drivel.
heh... "Dad" & "Mom" sit down to have a chat.
😍If only
How we all felt
Always love it when based mom and professor dad get together.
OMG I love her, I just want to sit in a room and talk to her over a bottle of wine for hours...
Only hours?
Hey Pedro, watch her discussion with Camille Paglia you will be amazed at the display of brilliance
It looks like she's had a bit of a head start.
There's a reason they call her Based Mum
Feshes link??
The mutual appreciation these people has is great to see. I've been a fan of CHS for years.
I think someone has a wee little crush on JBP.
don't we all have?
Yes. And it is rather fucking obvious.
Well, considering she was out there against the feminist insanity even before Dr. Peterson it's probably a massive relief to gain a powerful ally like him. Was probably a lonely fight she was engaged in before this new awakening.
Chris Liliedahl Don’t we all?
@@AminTheMystic That sounded a little caustic. What's wrong with having a crush on someone?
Someone needs to build a more efficient accreditation system. People have amazing amounts of knowledge, yet the only people society credits are those who have the money and time to come kneel at the feet of the academic clergy.
I think JBP is working toward that with his online University which will include individuals with the intellectual capacity to help reshape this world
UNI needs to be rebooted
Excellent point, it would be quite a work of administration though. Maybe reviews could be worked into it. Any other ideas?
Ah it's the jordan Peterson apologist fuckboy who has no understnading of reality
@@Mariomario-gt4oy
Just the type of intellectual commentary we crave these days. Thanks for the deep insight. Hopefully, your type of academic meaning and understanding will continue to grow in our universities until all who graduate from those hallowed halls have the mastery of discourse that you do. It's a little late for me as I'm one of those "fuckboys" who languishes in the land of make believe and have never had the good fortune to deal with "reality". It's just so harsh. Thankfully, we have the modern wisdom that those of your ilk are so generous to share with us in order to help us navigate our way to some semblance of reality......whatever that is.
Only 13 minutes?! Peterson needed to stay for longer!
@cyotee doge - I'd be surprised if this wasn't filmed on the same day he was in studio for CHS's Femsplainers podcast , which was over an hour .
@UndrState -- Their attire suggest you are correct.
They get him in their studio, he traveled across country, hotel, prep, all for 10 + 3 minutes. WTF!!!
Love listening to you two speak. Would love to hear an hour long conversation between you two on any topic.
It's been a goal of mine for a long time to read the entire Western Canon - ever since I was a teenager. Back then I realized, just as was mentioned in the video, their fundamental place within our great culture.
I need to hear these two speak again, very soon! Add Camille Paglia to the mix and it's sure to be a discussion of value.
Superb discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Good video. There's a lot of people out there who have a tremendous amount of respect for you and the work that you're doing Christina.
I think this is the most worthy fight of all. Preserving, teaching, celebrating what has made Western culture the most successful, its writings.
Christina Hoff Sommers is an exceptionally brilliant person. I don’t agree with everything she says but she is very articulate and open minded. Her conversational ability is exceptional and she is very logical. Kudos to both Christina and Jordan for this discussion.
Two of the best people on the planet... intellectual caviar.
Intellectual caviar? It's a show. Mostly she just fawns over the giant level of media exposure JPB has, which is no accident, as she also mentions.
you can sneak in Camille Paglia as a trio of intellectually savvy pips
Great little video. We've been a little spoiled with the three hours long deep conversations - so I wish this video was much longer! But thanks a lot anyway.
What wonderful minutes, thank you.
I love these two. I'm reading Dostoevsky now.
First!
1th
LOL! Hey, no fair, AEI!
That is so not fair! Love you, keep doing the good work!
Thank you so much for the upload! Hoff Sommers is such a joy to listen to.
Great art speaks for itself...
Christina Hoff Sommers is very profound philosopher herself. I loved reading all her books. (The War Against Boys, One Nation Under Therapy, Who Stole Feminism.) The One Nation Under Therapy was pretty prophetic of what's going on now with the social justice warriors who've been indoctrinated into needing help from the authorities for every emotional hurt. She co-wrote it with Sally Satel, another excellent thinker, writer and psychiatrist.
M Santana beutiful book !
Hey M. Santana did you watch her discussion with Camille Paglia? It will be very interesting to see JBP, Camille Paglia and Hoff Sommer together for a 3hr discussion on societal ills
Lmao so in other words " i agree with people who spew conspiracies that confirm my bias"
Wow. Bravo. Like any other dipshit on the internet. you have no clue how reality works outside your delusional bubble
Yes, I did. Yes, the three together would be great. Camille and JP have a video together, you probably know. It was great. The three will be very fun.
Another great book is "Why Gender Matters" by Dr. Lenard Sax. He has a number of great books. "Boys Adrift" is another.
I love both of them! Christina and Jordan are wonderful people.
If these 2 could team up and go on tour together for Intelectual thought-provoking lectures... They can cause a shift in our culture that will give society the change that it needs
Yes, why did she tour with Milo wtf
Add Camille Paglia to that team
Oh my God this is what you call a conversation
Two brilliant minds. What a treat.
I love listening to really intelligent people talk. Censoring speech is a tragedy, listen argue debate and disagree. Silence teaches you nothing.
Mrs Sommers is the woman we all admire: smart and good looking willing to listen to you even if you might be wrong.
American Enterprise Institute, I salute you for putting this together, but it was way too SHORT!
My mom and dad told me that they were going to the store 30 years ago but fortunately now I know they both ended up at AEI
7:34 "Opportunity exists where responsibility has been abdicated." I wish this one had made it into "12 Rules for Life".
I think it'll be in the sequel
I saw that the rough draft of the Next 12 Rules book has been finished...and this rule was included.
Give me cannon, I will order them all straight away as a starter! Thanks for your work JBP and CHS
Christina - I first came across a video (which I haven’t been able to find again) in which you described how you taught philosophy. You would teach philosophy A and get your students to agree. Then you’d teach philosophy B... which conflicted with philosophy A... and your kids would agree B is right and A was wrong. Then you’d go to C conflicting with B, etc. Ultimately, you had the kids see that there is a lot of nuance in the world.I really admire that approach...particularly in light of the existing political tensions.
While both the Left and Right have their extremists (the Left being more concerning at the moment), I believe your approach to teaching philosophy and having a philosophy dovetails nicely with Peterson’s comment that Left and Right should be viewed as yin and yang, not enemies.
Maybe there is an opportunity to create a RUclips series that speaks to philosophies that cater to those on the Left and others on the Right..and how each philosophy has strengths that both sides of the political aisle should know and acknowledge...and weaknesses that both sides should know and the philosophy advocate should strongly acknowledge.
Having seen these two together twice now, I truly want them to tour with each other. I realize one reason they wouldn't is to avoid rumors of impropriety. But if Jordan Peterson can tour with a gay man (who I also like) with zero controversy, then I think he can tour alongside Christina Hoff Sommers with great success. Just a hope of mine.
JP's wife goes with him on all of his tours.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 Unfortunately, that doesn't stop people from starting rumors. Obviously he loves Tammy and she enjoys going with him. But even in the comments on this video I've seen talk of Christina having a "crush" and being "in love" with him. That idea, which is cute now, could turn into wild assumptions if Peterson and Sommers were on tour together. I don't think that's reason enough for them to avoid the idea of touring, but I can understand why they wouldn't, ergo "avoid the very appearance of evil." Those of us who follow his work closely know that he isn't that kind of man. But people make up all kinds of things about him, you know?
Jordan Peterson is clearly the greatest Canadian of the 20th/21st century. I myself have read Gilgamesh, some of the Bible, The Iliad and the Odyssey, Some Plato, The Aeneid, The Gallic War by Julius Caesar, Shakespeare, Dickens, H.G. Wells and many others. I am immeasurably enriched by experiencing these works.
lmao dork
@@JohnnySplendid ruclips.net/video/ORGw6phQvoI/видео.html
Both of these incredible scholars highlight, for me, the most important point at the foundation of all these cultural firestorms: We've moved from the 'information age' to the 'misinformation age'. It falls to the consumer of the data to figure out what is valid information and what is not. The unfortunate reality is that the vast majority of the population struggle to get it right due to many reasons not least of which is the deliberate propaganda of falsehoods designed to influence public opinion from many different angles. There's much to do.
Yes tell us How you know what is does and isn't based on a conservative youtube channel. Epitome of truth.
Reading can be exhausting after a day of work. Especially if all your work is reading. That listening to a book is just more convenient to people in order to give their eyes a break.
It's sad to see literature “polluted”by politics
I was skeptical of this discussion, not sure whether to agree or not (mostly agreeing), and then they said this:
Sommers: "And you should probably know something about a conversation that has been taking place among 'geniuses, creative geniuses' over the century with one another and how . . .
Jordan: "Who else would you want to listen to?"
Sommers: "Of course!"
People cannot decide for themselves what is "genius literature" or not; they have to have someone, perhaps even a group of people, decide for them?
How will they develop, as Jordan said: "their ability to sift through the chaff and get to the wheat"?
I do not think Jordan has faith in people like he says he does.
This is also an interesting comment that Sommers made:
"I think it was Andrea Gilles who said: 'Everything important to say has been said, but nobody's listening'; so you have to say it again, and again, and again . . "
Why is nobody listening? Probably because in their (i.e. Sommers and Jordan) ideology, they do not trust people to think; so the people get lazy. Also, I couldn't help but think that Sommers and Jordan do not want people to "listen" and think critically, as they want to remain smarter (more intelligent?) than their students.
When she first started speaking, I thought "Uh oh, she's out to trap him". As she continued however, I became endeared to her eccentricities! What a lovely lady. Btw, Jordan is a hero to me...
Good conversation!
Thanks for the great conversation. My only complaint is that it was too short.
AWESOME
💓 these two.
Rudyard Kipling's grave of a hundred head is the poem that got me into reading as a young man. Thanks go out to a fifth grade teacher for reaching outside the box for that gem.
Thank you to both of you. Discourse and disruption flourishes when good and reasonable people do nothing.
Thank you
I didn’t quite get the name of the podcast Peterson mentions at 5:15. Does anybody know it? Also, any recommendations of podcasts on these subjects?
Hi Mayreni, He doesn't list podcast there, he says "People are listening to Podcasts like made and lengthy ones too.
As far as Podcasts go I dont really know, I like to listen to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson has his own channel, I listen to.
Although not an original comment - I wish my Wife would look at me in the same way that CHS looks at JBP...
you are going into the dog house tonite pal. There is so much we can learn from this people about our own internalized insecurities.
Clean your room and maybe she will 😂
Stop wishing and work on your relationship.
Do something worthy of admiration.
@@hihyou I think ya'll may be taking a flippant comment a little bit too literally...
A great example of the divine feminine and masculine in balance. I would live to see them do a longer discussion.
Our intellectual parents ❤️
3 minutes into this, I remembered to clean my room
Thanks for the reminder
This should have been 24hrs. Hahaha.
Fabulous couple of intellects.
Based mom, as always at the forefront of the cultural curve, and thereby proving that excellent values are eternal and eternally radical and contemporary.
Long before I have ever heard about Jordan Peterson I have read Dostoevsky. Brothers Karamazov is absolutely the best piece of literature I have ever read. And, one day I was surfing the net to see if there was any lecture on Dostoevsky. And there it was this guy who was filming his lectures. He was a bit chubby and quite eloquent. So I started following the guy. Things he said resonated with my own thoughts. I was even critical about some of his views on Crime and Punishment, but, nevertheless, we were still on the same page, and, now 4-5 years later he is a superstar, and I'm still a nobody.
I think she wants Jordan's Peterson
oh yeah! she thirsty! 😛
Chill boys. Don't speak of her this way. She just expressed admiration for the man's work
I want him too and I am a 46 year old man!
I dont care how old Mrs. Sommers is, she is a mega babe. Smart, feminine, gentle, beautiful.
Great discussion, but don't leave it there! You should follow up with more! I would love to hear either party's views on the relevance of the works of Jane Austen.
AEI - respect for your courage and bravery doing in presenting a normal, civil discussion.
I think CH Summers and C Paglia are the most smart women in RUclips. Thank you for this video.
Yes Jordan does make sense
Only 13 minutes :'(
Have you watched their discussion on the Femsplainers podcast ?
@@UndrState twice
@@williampayton982 - lol not enough huh ? :)
@@UndrState i can really never get enough of Christina's interviews, ive probs watched the one with Camille Paglia 5 times
So, two like-minded people agree. It would be more interesting to see someone actually challenge their beliefs in a calm, reasoned manner. This is too much like a "safe space" discussion. Now, abandoning the traditional Western canon is of course nonsense. But what if we instead expand the number of perspectives and ideas we have in the Western canon?
Peterson mentioned that you can rank-order the canon by influence. Does anyone know where such a list can be found?
This set is like the meditation scene in Ace Ventura 2. What is with the Jedi glow?
Finally, Jordan on stage with someone he agrees with! This must be some kind of psychotherapy for him or something
Peterson has great reasoning on the idea of canon and the criticism it's gotten lately. Defining what constitutes the canon technically is not an issue, as he said. However, the criticism is so unclear and vague, actually it's non-existent. Hashtag keep-canon-of-litterature. Great discourse by Hoff Sommers and Peterson!
Truth that you have NOT SEEN is very moving when you first see it. If someone else HAS seen that particular truth it will clearly be less moving to them.
I want more, I love these two so much. Great little chat.
Someone needs to fix CHS's hair.
Love it
Has anyone rank ordered literature by influence? If so, where do I find the rankings?
Will someone please link me to the universities that are banning, or even that are *no longer requiring* courses that teach the Western cannon for a degree in the humanities?
2 great intellects!!!
That was beautiful, I hope JP gets well and you can do a sequel
Base mom, base dad assemble!
Haha she is in ❤️
Thank you Christina you're an amazing woman. Thank you for all your good work. My mom has recently passed and you remind me of her. Reasoned arguments based on facts and history, what a concept! It almost seems like common sense. When teaching children my mother always said patience and repetition. I know it may seem like you have to keep repeating yourself but please stick with it. These kids today and I say kids maybe some of them are college students but they act like kids need to hear an alternative viewpoint , The Marxist, radical feminist and racist crap they're being taught is absolutely toxic. Our society is being assaulted. It is a multi-pronged attack. Through the media the universities politicians and unlimited immigration the values we stand for will be utterly eroded. People take for granted the amazing society that we have built. The America we know and love will not make it through another 20 years of this. Please keep up the good work. I continue to educate myself and spread the word anyway I can, but I can do more. I will.
She's great
I hate to make such a vulgar comment on such a wonderful video but dialogue between these two intellectuals less than an hour long is a feeling akin to being teased for the same amount of time. We the audience are hungry for longer format discussions! With that said, it was still superb considering the time that was given but ultimately it lacked proper depth
I feel so damn failed by the school system, I should know way more of the people they're referencing.
2:55 true, its barely possible to do it on the individual level. Its hard to distinguish scientific peterson from peterson 'the symbolist'
Which culture is at the bottom for an individual from a diffrent culture? The current one, or the one he was born in? Needs clarification.
This doesn't mean that the claim is scientifically relevant. Some prefer low-fantasy and some high-fantasy. But high-fantasy won't become 'historical' fact just because its riggorous.
7:55 is clearly talking about subjective to intersubjective value, which means any idea living today has essentialy value. "IF other people see the value" . The lowest standard for value i have ever heared. No riggor needed. Thats essentialy the most post-modern claim ever.
Great art fights for itself? How about letting it fight. The irony is that someone telling you its great art is the exact opposite. Being possesed isn't the same as letting the idea speak for itself. Sure it speaks through you, but so does everything any ideological person repreats.
Can Gad Saad and Jordan Peterson establish their own university? I will enroll yesterday!
Without great art, music, and literature our culture’s foundation is lost and our souls are impoverished. We are then like branches that have rejected the tree that gives us life.
Please get JBP back and do one of the long form interviews you were talking about!
Whoaaa I get so distracted by her hair hahaha
These are the two people in the world who I wish were my parents
I too am a big fan of Tolstoyeski. and Pushkinizhen
The recycling of ideas and the lack of interest in the classics kind of explains why there are so many "new" "independent" "opressed" ideas out there. People simply don't realize that the trendy "new idea" has been thought (and tested) before.
Christina Hoff Sommers is crushing on JP hardcore.
At least some people get common sense !
When and how would feminism transcend itself and lead all genders to context-full meaningfulness of living and learning as part of homeostasis?
Love Christina and love Peterson
"and a dog.... I triggered a dog"
education IS learning to determine what is reliable and what is misleading.
For the love of all that's holy, PLEASE take the orange rubber clamps down and replace them with something less obtrusive. You keep using the cool wide low dolly shot and it's great, but those clamps have got to go
Christina Hoff Sommers And Jordan Peterson?! Too bad it's so short.
heart warming. two intelligent, healthy minded people ENJOYING (!) talking to each other, and we sit, learn, and enjoy ourselves. real, subtle culture in action!
Is it just me but aren't they mostly in agreement. She says the same things he says and even contributes to his statements. But I feel like I am predisposed to disagree with Jordan. What am I misunderstanding? Its not ok when he says it but when she does it is. total messes with my mind.
I do wonder what life would be like if we were all on the same page...
So what literature exactly do universities now skip over that they hadn’t before? Would love if someone could chime in on this.
As just one example, UCLA English majors are no longer required to read Shakespeare.
@@John-Brown Holy shit.