Viper front seat on-ride HD POV Six Flags Magic Mountain
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Viper is the last of the three Arrow Dynamics seven-inversion coasters remaining after the other two, Shockwave at Six Flags Great America & the Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Great Adventure, were demolished in 2002 & 2010, respectively.
When it opened in April 1990, Viper was the tallest & fastest looping coaster in the world, until the Kennywood opened Steel Phantom the following year. Viper regained that title when Steel Phantom was modified into Phantom's Revenge (where it lost its inversions) in 2001 & held the title until Hersheypark opened Storm Runner in 2004.
Six Flags Magic Mountain is located north of Los Angeles in Valencia, California.
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I almost didn't ride this because everyone on the Internet says it is so uncomfortable and painful. This is why you don't always trust the internet. The ride was amazing. My shoulders hurt a little from the old restraints, but it's not that bad. We did notice that it is slightly less comfortable for shorter people because their heads are between the restraints, but again, slightly. My mom hates rides that shake her up but she is glad she rode this one. This ride does not give everyone headaches and ruin the rest of the rider's day like the Internet says. Definitely extremely underated. Is it the smoothest ride? No. But it's not that rough either.
I've ridden Viper numerous times and nothing was as rough as the last time I got on it. I felt like I was being tossed around in a dryer.
As it gets older it seems to be getting worse. I truly wish Six Flags would invest in newer trains with better head restraints. After my last ride I officialy retired Viper from my coaster list.
Yes it’s the most unsmooth ride at six flags I got a headache for the rest of the day and night!!! DO NOT RIDE THIS
Your insane if you thought that was good
@@coolguy13333 ikr this ride needs a refurbish not even tatsu viper
Actually Vekoma slcs are worst than this
Some history - I was there on media day when Viper opened, and it was a MUCH different animal. It was HUGE. Noticeably taller than anything we'd ridden before, and because X2 was not there, the entire back half of the ride was a mystery. You could see just the tops of the butterfly element, but had no idea how it fit into the ride, and the corkscrews were almost invisible from anywhere but the front row station line and the lift. It was glass smooth, the transitions were clean, and it was amazingly fast. Viper was unlike anything we'd seen on the West Coast, and by most accounts, was the best of the Arrow looper triumvirate, mostly due to the wicked fast turnaround (more on that below) after the first loop and the unexpected left hand jog on the way back to the station.
I'll start by saying that Arrow loopers generally get rougher and rougher as they age; this is attributed both to slight distortions in the track (stress bends) and shifts in support position attributed to the g-forces exerted on them. I'll leave train wear (and horse collar restraints) out of this, although I'm sure it's a factor as well.
In the case of Viper, there have been many and clearly visible track and support modifications to stiffen the steel to prevent shearing and cracking due to the extreme forces the ride generates. This is not inherent to Viper specifically, as both the sister coasters had many of the same modification prior to demolition.
A quick web search will show that the original design allowed the track and supports to flex, which minimized the effect of the train slamming into the inversions, which are all very small compared to today's standards.
The most obvious additions were made to the tops of the three vertical loops; the crisscross bracing was added many years later, after Six Flags noticed that the metal fatigue was becoming an issue. Instead of allowing the the loop to 'breathe' as the train's weight shifts through the loop, the bracing prevents kinetic energy (or at least reduces it) from moving away from the car and transfers it back to the rider, which is why neck stiffness has become a complaint.
This was done because, simply put, the speed out of the first drop was extreme, and as we see now, with the loops immobilized, the change in direction is quite noticeable. It also seems that the train dips ever so slightly just as the train enters the second loop, though that may be imagined. Either way, the stiffened loops equate to a more brutal ride, especially with the speed that Viper carries. Or carried.
The most disappointing thing about this final iteration of Viper is the horseshoe turn out of the first loop. This was a thing of beauty, and was amazing both to experience and to watch from the ground.
There was no bracing between the supports. Oddly, a quick scan doesn't bring up a picture (i have a few around here somewhere), but each support stood free of the others, allowing the supports to flex outward noticeably as the train moved through the turn, creating a slingshot effect, as the train was literally thrown from the turn into the second loop.
The effect was awesome, as you didn't feel so much like you were going through the turn as you were being 'caught' by it, if that makes any sense, and there was a lot less lateral shaking. In my opinion, this was the finest moment on Viper, one that sadly, is no more. The bracing that was added about a third of the way up was surely necessary, as the flexing was very noticeable (we'd sit and watch it as we stood in the long line leading up to the station house) and had to be creating maintenance nightmares from day one.
And so, with a stiff u-turn came the need to slow the train down so that riders didn't compress their spines to mush, and thus the addition of a trim brake just off the first loop was added. That's right...it wasn't there when the ride opened. The first brake was on the run just prior to the dive into the butterfly (I think the trim before the corkscrews was there, but I don't remember it being as noticeable. Also, the trims before the butterfly element were lighter, but I think it's better with them on hard, as you get the hang time in the inversions. When the ride opened, you blew through the butterfly so fast, it was over before it began.
At any rate, it's a bummer to see people bashing on Viper, as I know that they are not experiencing the ride as it was designed...those who know and remember still rank it as one of the top coasters ever built, though it's understandable that the current state of Viper leaves a lot to be desired, especially in the face of B&M and other designers who have taken loopers to the next level and beyond.
I watched the death of Shockwave at Gurney with a 'WTF?' and GASM at Jersey with a 'Uh oh...Viper's days are numbered', although I hope that Viper's smaller footprint and design upgrades from the first two loopers may give it legs, as there are many other Arrow loopers still running strong all over the country, but my gut tells me Viper's time is almost up. That's a huge piece of land, and Six Flags likes to build their biggest and baddest at Magic Mountain, and right up front where people can see them from the highway.
Once it's gone, I'll look back fondly at that magic Christmas Day in 1992 when the park was nearly empty and my buddy and I clocked 14 straight runs without leaving our seat in the last car. We came off the ride bent and battered from the repeated g-forces, but happy as clams.
If you never got to ride it in it's glory...well...sorry for you. Those who did know what it was.
+Scot Apathy Thank you sir! I am really far from the united states, and my only motivation to travel there is just to ride this huge piece of steel, take pictures and watch it run. Hope to be there soon, because im thinking the same as you. Viper's days are numbered. Just to think about it makes me sad.
RawRollercoasters It would be awesome, but maybe too expensive. Getting those new vekoma trains to reduce the headbanging and repair some transitions in the track would be cheaper, i think. Arrow was competing with B&M so it would be awkward to have them redoing their designs.
Scot Apathy Fantastic post! Thumbs up for you. I first rode it in the early 90s at night when Batman was brand new and seeing those fireworks right before that first drop was absolutely magical, especially feeling the night wind rushing over you as you took on each loop. Even the last time I rode a couple years ago I had no problems with it.
I get moola and that rides have to carry their weight in a park. But part of me wishes there was more of a heritage or historical marker for coasters, I know some get listed. But we don't value the heritage in them like we do houses or buildings. Just kind of wish we did. That way more of these intense classics would get saved. Yeah, they're not the smoothest, but with a listing, the rider knows they are on history and that its part of the experience. If you follow.
Wow, what an awesome story. Thank you for sharing. As a big fan of Viper, I am sad to see so much hate toward it nowadays. The ride is definitely wild, but I don't find it painful as many do (I'm 6'1" and my head clears the restraints by quite a bit, so I don't get banged up as much, that might have something to do with it).
I am fortunate enough to have SFMM as my home park, and I'm definitely getting in as many rides as I can on this gargantuan piece of history before it inevitably gets put out to pasture and sent screaming into the annals of theme park history.
Thanks again for sharing.
"Ow ow my head! I hate this ride! I am never doing it again!"
Well he's right
I.ll.get.on.The.Viper.when.I.get.the.chance
Is the ride by Arrow Dynamics? Let's ask the man in the background at 1:27
"Ow my head!"
Haha
Yes
1000000000% NOT VEKOMA
Joecake Gamedev not all arrow Dynamics coasters are rough, just look at the one in front of this
Phantom is smooooth
this ride is good but it's the shakiest ride I've been on, it hurt the shit out of my head and ears but I'd do it again I regret nothing
This ride is painfull?
I know right my ears were so red after the ride
aliciaxxgore I've never had a problem with viper. Now Scorpion on the other hand.
Samememe
I love Viper. ....I remember watching it be built. The first loop is unique for being so high! Also the boomerang is also amazing.
The company should have spent money revamping Viper instead of Revolution. This ride desperately needs one. Way too damn shaky and painful.
They changed the seats not to long ago, a lot of people said it helped.
I was up there this weekend and the colors are faded. Does anyone know if it's closing or not?(I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT)
That's not true. The girl passed out after riding Revolution and died two days later in the hospital due to a preexisting medical condition, which had nothing to do with the park renovating the coaster.
Fuck tis ride it banged my brain right out my head... Never riding again!!!
They should tear it down and put a good ride there, fuck viper
I've been on Viper hundreds of times over the years (live & grew up in LA)...this is a pretty smooth ride; it can get a little shaky during the pretzel loops, but nowhere near as bad as the painfully violent head banging on X2. When Viper debuted, you could see it from the freeway, and there weren't any other coasters nearby and it looked HUGE and intimidating, but now it looks average sized since they built X2, Tatsu, and Superman. That first loop though is really high and awesome.
1:37 You can hear some guy say " I hate this ride. "
Juan Alonso "I hate this ride! Owwww!" LOL
+Juan Alonso That person is a coward... its rough, but not THAT rough.
+Juan Alonso I was just at Magic Mountain but I didn't get to this ride. I have been told by tons of people that this ride beats you up. You hit your head a lot on the restraints and it apparently makes your ears burn, especially if you have earrings in which case your ears apparently feel as though they are going to bleed. I live in Northern California and we have a ride that does the same this at the Six Flags by us and I refuse to ride it again because it just beats your head up.
+Lanibear yea Kong at discovery kingdom
Kenzie Backlin OWN EDCP Haha. Yes. It is the worst. I thought my friends was being over dramatic about it until I felt like I ripped my ear open because of it. Terrible
Who else heard "ow my head, I hate this ride! Owww my shoulders!" ?
I did
+Ian clark I took this ride twice. First time I stiffened my neck muscles and it was really painful indeed. The second time I took it I relaxed the muscles and it was awesome.
Ian clark me
i also heard oh my god
Ian C me I heard it such a winer
Last time I visited the park, I rode Viper four times in a row right before the park closed. For some reason I could still get back in line even though it was past closing time. That's my favorite thing about Viper, there is never a wait!
This is the best Arrow looper I have ever ridden. Compared to others, it has aged VERY well.
This ride isn't even that bad of a coaster. I've ridden this coaster thousands of times
and the headbanging I recieve is the exit of the batwing and corkscrews for the most part
Viper looks like it could really use a fresh coat of paint. that track looks so faded
True bro but they should focus more on revamping the ride. Its so shaky and painful.
Should make it an RMC
Bleeve 942 I think RMC only does Woodies, I could be wrong
They do actually make steel coasters (I.E. Wonder Woman (SFFT) and Railblazer (CGA)) called Raptors and T-Rexes.
I wish they would renovate this ride. It's one if my favorites to ride front seat!
Gotta love the whiplash after this ride. It's part of the reason you get on this ride!
1:27 you could hear someone in the background say, "ow my head". And he is right. This coaster is rough. I know from experience.
I feel that bro.
Ture I heard that to
Good thing i'm six foot one! XD When I went I had no such experience. Instead it was my knees that heart a bit but I didn't experience much pain. just minor bruises.
TheSlickkEffect omg the pain
True I feel bad guy
My head hurt so bad after the ride... XD
While I was on it, I was laughing hysterically from how fun it was and how bad it hurt. But it was worth it... even so, I look at it nowadays and go "SORRY NEVER AGAIN" XD
Those loops look brutal
This ride does kinda hurt but it's really fun
True tho my ears were purple after my family said and I was 10
oh please magic mountain never take this ride away. some new trains would be great but i dont ever want to see this gone.
Even though they aren't the most comfortable rides, the sounds of the lift hills and brake runs on arrow rides are just so awesome. I miss Great American Scream Machine at Great Adventure.
+Daniel Blaney Your comment made me smile! I was thinking the same thing as I watched the video! I especially like the satisfying sounds of the end brakes!
The guy saying "ow" the whole video is correct. This ride hurt so badly! Just rode it today & it is definitely the reason I have one of the worst headaches I've ever experienced. Do not ride this If you can't handle your head being tossed and aggressively jerked around. Even X2 hurt less than this.
so true this was the first ride i rode there and i felt sick the rest of the day
So true
Yeah this ride needs some retracking
Well, now you have;I love it! The geometric shaping and jerkiness is what makes this ride fun!
Awesome ride! No waiting in line!
The only time I've ridden it was in 2000. It was nice and smooth, a good warmup coaster before the monsters at magic mountain
Viper. The name of a snake and the name of a roller-coaster at Six Flags Magic Mountain too! Awesome! Love it!
This ride is a classic!
What an absolute classic.
Seems like I can tell every moment this ride causes you pain based on this video. Seems like I wasn't hearing screams of joy.
I don't know about y'all. But I hope they keep this ride up for a good long while, since it is the only Arrow 7-looper left in existence now or at least long enough for me to have the chance to ride it for the first time in my life sometime in the future.
I feel bad for the guy in the background! But if you put your head forward and put your shoulders all the way up against the restraints, it won’t hurt as bad.
-Awesome Video
I went to six flags yesterday and I LOVE THIS RIDE
I find that their are smooth parts and rough parts on different parts of the ride each time. (love it second fav behind x2
I loved this ride at one point of my life. It's so painful and rattles my brain too much to be enjoyable anymore. Needs an update
My head banged so much in this ride I blacked out halfway through.
Did I mention that this is one of the SMOOTHER arrows.
i actually really enjoyed this ride. then again ive only ridden it in the magic seat.
R.I.P. Great American Scream Machine!
Doubt I'll ever get to ride Viper, but I've always loved the layout
I'm a Minnesotan, and having been on Arrows like this one, such as Corkscrew at CP, I didn't even bother going on this one. I did all the other major coasters, including X2, Tatsu, Ninja, Apocalypse, Twisted Colossus, and Scream. Didn't bother going on Green Lantern, Revolution, or Superman either, and Riddlers Revenge was closed for Renovations. I kinda regret not going on it, but I don't think I missed much. I've been on Vortex at Kings Island, so I don't really see the point on going on it
Nothing like an Arrow Dynamics Coaster :)
I think I'm starting to hear a trend on the classic rollercoasters, like, "ow, my head" or "ow, I hate this ride" or "ow this is the worst ride ever." And granted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but its starting to seem like they do this for attention. Seriously, just ride or don't ride.
Been on this one in 94. LOVED IT!
i have never ridden this ride before but it looks amazing i really love arrow custom loopers because they are fun and very fast plus there just such classic rides from the 80's and 90's when they were being produced i dont care about the bumpiness im glad my home park has a custom looper still
I waited 16 years to ride it (ever since watching here comes a rollercoaster and playing RCT2 for the first time) but heard bad reviews from it and expected it to feel like Great American Scream Machine (which was pretty bad) so I didn’t know what to expect when I finally rode it and I actually got off really liking it, it didn’t have as bad of a rattle as most other Arrows and the transitions actually felt natural and not jerky like some of the older arrows. Id definitely recommend riding this thing if you’re a fan of arrows and I’d say to find your way out there in the next few years before it gets scrapped or refurbished
Well, since Viper is the name of a rollercoaster at Six Flags Magic Mountain, there's even a snake called a viper.
apparently right now they're running three trains. how? where is the sixth block? did they add a block to that straight section after the corkscrews recently???
Looks like the long gone Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Great Adventure.
Went on this yesterday. The ride was operating with two trains, one with the red stripes and one with the orange stripes. I found the one with the red ones to ride WAY better than the orange ones, as a tip for those who will be riding it.
One of the greatest coasters of all time!
it hurts too much to be the one of the greatest roller coasters of all times
nice troll
One of the BEST!!!
Even viper is the name of a snake too.
Viper snake!
Viper name of a snake and name of a roller-coaster at Six Flags Magic Mountain at the same time!
I remember watching the Six Flags commercial's back in the 90's and wanting to go there just to ride Viper. That was when Colossus and Viper were their two main coasters in the park. Viper just reopened in Feb after a couple of months of refurbishment, but they forgot to repaint the red color. The only major problem with Viper is the break run, that needs to be removed cause it slows the coaster down. Back in 2008, I rode Canyon Blaster at Adventuredome 16 times in two hours before the park closed.
Havok1988 NORGAS
Still the best. Long live the Viper. Same as the old great America scream machine at great adventure and the shockwave at great America. Keep this one at any and all costs.
I would love to see Vekoma start throwing their seats with the strap restraints on some of these old arrows. I rode a Vekoma with a seat upgrade last summer and the roughness was considerably reduced.
This ride was a piece of cake! Once you ride X2 every other ride is nothing
zzArchive how old r u at the time of this comment that u posted
zzArchive think u meant riddler,twisted, and goliath
X2 is nothing
That dude in the background discribes that ride perfectly
I rode this loads of times back in the early 90s.
Paul Metzger hell yea I remember this being my ride back in the 90s it's been awhile since I've been to magic mountain so I don't know if it's as bad as they say
this is the only arrow coaster i like. its AWESOME.
And to think they got rid of one of the friendly log flume rides before (eventually) getting rid this one.
I found this really smooth and enjoyable
This ride is one of my favorites, but it is very short.
This ride is a good ride and a classic sucks that The Great American Scream Machine got taken down... But I'm happy Viper is still there...
this was my first "big" ride and I didn't want to go on because of the comments saying "Omg it was so painful!" "Worst ride ever" and nope didn't hurt and was super fun! Lol
Oh man this is going to be my first arrow that inverts when I ride this this summer.
Wait I'll probably ride x2 first
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You all are very right, this coaster is drastically more uncomfortable than most any other coaster in the park (except for green lantern one, OUCH MY BALLS!!) They really need to freshen this one up, because it’s still one of my all time faves. Pro tip... sit in the very back seats of this coaster. Trust me!
it was my first time going to six flags yesterday this was the first ride I got on
So many insurance claims for injuries against this one after they moved it and reassembled...I rode it on opening week in California about 28 years and it was smooooth AF.
Arrow Dynamics, the only coaster company whose coasters could survive an apocalypse
I love this ride its a classic. not too many coasters without gimmicks these days
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I've been on viper a few times. Went to six flags last week and the restraints actually cut my shoulders and bruised them along with my friend's. Needless to say it's still fun! I remember it being faster though. They must have added more brakes
Rode on this yesterday. Such a blast. Wish they would add head cushions.
I really do like this ride... All the inversions are so fun but I'm only 12 so the OTSR are pretty head banging
1:45 That is some nice smack there.
This mega looper is a little smooth than the 2 others.
At 2:07, dude says "I'm officially never getting on this again" yeah I agree 👍
There was 0 minute waiting time. And I think I got a minor concussion from this ride. Hurts like hell.
Do not go on this ride or Green Lantern. The most painful rides ever.
Fantastic ride
Painful, hot, but simple. The loops are insane though, I’ll give them that, 7/10.
Why do people insist on not filming the track right as its about to turn into the first drop. Second video in a row of this ride where they turn the camera away from the tracks just as its about to take off.
I believe that they are not clones. I've never been on any Arrow 7-looper, but by comparison GASM and Shockwave are almost clones, Shockwave's double loop went the other way. Also GASM looked like it had a longer MCBR and transitions, as well as nearly stopping on the MCBR. GASM was taller and faster, if memory serves. I believe Viper has the same elements organized in a tighter, more compact layout.
Disclaimer: NO SHADE: Ok, so I went on this ride summer of 2016 on vacation. None of my family members would get on with me because it was “too rough for them”. I have to admit, it was so smooth, I rode next to this really nice dude who filmed the entire ride and we had a nice conversation about birds
the guy in the back “ow i hate this ride T^T” IM DYING
The G forces in the first loop is amazing!
1:18 Damn ouch! That looked painful
reinforcement to the structure for the g-forces. They also have a ministairs for maintenance purposes
Hey coaster force, is this ride more rough than the Carolina cyclone at carowinds?
Yes
yes PERIOD
Yes
Never been to California but I've been to Carowinds and I went of the Carolina Cyclone and that ride was so rough it made my headache stop 😆😂
"my ears are crying... owwwww..." knows this feel bro
Same
I LOVED THIS RIDE WHEN I WAS ON IT! But it kept hurting my ears because the over-shoulder was so close to my head.
Yea try to keep your head back but it does not always work
Literally got a concussion because of this ride, currently in the hospital 10/10
I rode this when it was fairly new in 1991. I do NOT recall all those trim breaks between elements other than after the after the 3rd loop. Did wear, tear, and stress really call for this ride to be tweaked to the point of considering to NOT ride it at all?🤔
Great American Scream Machine left me with head trauma (and I tried to keep my head straight and back...it helped a tad lol) but when I go to SFMM this year I have to do this the pain of a coaster nut :/
Viper The Roller Coaster Is Deadly
I'm guessing that you've never been to an amusement park other than Six Flags Magic Mountain.
This ride snap my neck up haha
Ok so after they referbished it In 2018 there is a funny tip. Do not get on the yellow train, always wait for the red train as I experienced significantly less head banging on the red train. Plus the yellow train doesn’t really go through the brakes well so you are going way too fast through the second half of the ride. The Red train nearly comes to a stop at that mid-course brake run. I rode twice one on the red train and one on the yellow, the Red was a lot more enjoyable
I think other seven-inversion Arrow Dynamics coasters have been shut down because the ride experience could be unpleasant & painful, lol.
R.I.P. Arrow. I miss them. They need to come back and for their own company again, instead of being s&s arrow. They need to build another drachen fire.
It looks really smooth for an arrow... Does it feel smoother in terms for head banging and godless rattling when compared to other arrow coasters?
Guys please. Stop overeating it’s really not that bad in my opinion riddlers revenge and green lantern are way worse than this! I really love this ride a consider it a classic!
R.I.P Shockwave & Great American Scream Machine.
It looks so fun but it could use a paint job.I cant wait to go to magic mountain🙂.Thanks for the video.xoxomarianne