The Phaenonite inquisitorial faction (insofar as it can be called that) might also be worth looking at, if your interested in such campaign themes. Their in the radical's handbook (Arch's example of a misbehaving Forge World at 17:27 can most CERTAINLY apply to Idumea), & briefly mentioned a couple of times in daemon hunter. This is for 1st Edition dark heresy by the way, in case you didn't know.
One of the other less-well-known Ordos is the Ordo Chronos which deals with timey-wimey-ball stuff. they were introduced and then shortly de-introduced after the entire ordo disappeared all at once. In the short story _The Pharisene Paradox_ It's hinted that the Ordo's disappearance was something they themselves initiated in order to undertake some mission.
Wasn’t this something to do with the Chronus War?? Guilleman was trying to find out exactly how much time has passed since he went into stasis and basically kept getting blocked at every turn
@〈〈〈 FINAL BOSS 〉〉〉 more or less they were examining 5 different calendars and came to the conclusion "the current year can be anywhere between the early 41st Millennium and the 43rd Millennium" (a margin of error of 2000 years). And then Guilliman decided to just make a new calendar. And then there was the time the entire Ordo vanished. And then they somehow managed to imprison a member of the Legion of the Damned. And then it turns out they know about the Fallen and are hunting for them (makes marginally more sense given how they retconned Caliban into being destroyed, in part, thanks to time traveling Dark Angels and how the Fallen were already time displaced Astartes). And they are also fighting the Alpha Legion. So, tl;dr: they are doing whatever the heck they want thanks to the authors.
How it actually happened: *Inquisition:* "The inquisitors who go to your Forge Worlds keep dying in mysterious accidents." *Mechanicus:* "That is your problem."
One small Ordo we've encountered in our games of Rogue Trader, is the Ordo Chronos. Because we kept getting copied by warp jumps and having to Highlander the copies, the inquisitor just left a team on our homeworld to handle the usual song and dance paperwork when it inevitably happened again.
Sounds like a SCP-6511 type of situation, where you retrocasually delete your organization to deal with something that could destroy or corrupt the organization.
@@KaiserAfini naw we just kept asking for the fun warp jump chart and kept rolling the really silly duplication effect. It happened twice almost consecutively, so it was likely to happen again. Plus I am told this happened before in a previous game they play before I joined. That one was solved by the Krieger bodyguards talking with their copies and deciding the highlander the pair of Rogue Traders to settle the issue. It worked out, and thanks to that game our custom sector has Krieg 2 and the Krieg bar and grill. (Don't ask I didn't question it.)
Id love to see the Ordo Sinister brought back into the fold. Their war machines were so grimdark and terrifying. My RUclips avatar has been their sigil/logo since the day I joined RUclips.
Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that part of the Ordo Sinister's allure is that they only take orders from the Emperor, not Warmasters, Lord Commanders, or even Malcador. They are the Left Hand of the Emperor as Malcador is the Right. A potential way to bring them back in would be if a reliable diviner's reading of the Emperor's Tarot matched what a Custodian of the Emissaries Imperatus (Custodes who can hear the Emperor through great meditation and are experts at diplomacy) says. I think their Grandmaster might take two things that are bound to the Emperor as confirmation. And before you ask "how would a reading of the Emperor's Tarot tell you that the Emperor wanted them to wreck a bitch?" the Emperor's Tarot is psychic, and he has added cards before (like the Tyrant Star Card, which only appears in the Calixis Sector), so he could add a Black Lion Card for this unique occasion, because he's the Motherfucking Emperor, and he can do that.
@Jagne Stormskull The Emperor is more active now then he has been in thousands of years so it could happen . Imagine the Ordo Sinister marching and confronting Angron on the battlefield with The Lion leading them. Heck with Chaos on the rise in general, Ordo Sinister could be more useful then ever. Gotta wonder how useful they'd be vs the Tyranids.
@@admiraltiberius1989 I think the Ordo Sinister has been sitting in their sealed vaults, waiting for the emperor to command them once more. As soon as he does, they'll ride for him. Do drills against Angron for free.
Personally, I love the fact that the Mechanicus has their own internal Inquisition: the Prefecture Magisterium. It was mentioned in the Horus Heresy campaign books and appears in a Wrath & Glory campaign. I wonder what relations between the Prefecture and the Ordo Machinum are like. I assume antagonistic.
Unless the Ordo Machinum are themselves members of the Magistrate. At which point the Machinum is basically a diplomatic envoy/embassy within the inquisition from the AdMech. At which point, I imagine the Machinum are hated by their fellow inquisitors…
Arch, there has been 3 Inquistion codexes, Witchunters and Daemonhunters, and 7th eds “Imperial Agents” codex, which was a grab bag for Sisters and every other Imperial one-off unit (assassins, etc) using the Inquisition to weld them together.
Arch’s forte is being able to go in depth and paint a visual picture. So these small scale videos are great. This is truly what fleshes out the lore. Mans made so many videos he might as well have written novels for the black library.
Make a good video game. Just rip off... Umm... I mean "be inspired by" AvP. It's a Mechanicum research base (totally not Weyland-Yutani) researching nids (totally not Aliens), get attacked/infiltrated by Drukhari (totally not Predators), causes the poop 💩 to hit the fan. Etc.
@@jtjames79well that sounds like a place you really really really don't want to be. On one side you have the giant space locusts who want to eat you. And the other you have the drug enthused spikey BDSM enthusiast who don't know the concept of a safe word and take it far far far too seriously... I'll choose the Locusts though
When 10% of your job is looking for tech-heresy 30% is confiscating toasters and 60% is scratching out every instance of 'Machine-God' and replacing it with 'Omnissiah'.
I would think the Ordo Machinum does more policing on the Imperial side making sure that technology gifted to them is not being missused as to keep the alliance between the Machine Cult and Imperium of Man in good standings. Ordo Hereticus, Ordo Mallus, and Ordo Xenos already stare into Mechanicus affairs enough that there isn't anything for the Ordo Machinum other than any hints of Abominable Intelligence. Otherwise they are just Space ATF.
Because of the technical nature the Inquisition would likely have to almost exclusively recruit from within the Mechanicus itself. The internal politics probably make that a much easier prospect than you'd initially think.
Just wanted to say between you and Lutien and this massive 40K binge I’ve been on, I finally pulled the trigger and tried Dawn of War. Haven’t gotten too far in it but damn have i forgotten how much I missed the RTS genre. Also, The Siege of Vraks is one of my favorite audio dramas I found on RUclips.
1, 2, or both? But regardless; certainly is a classic game! Have fun, it truly is a great ride! Oh; & Lutien is also a really great loremaster. Would love to see a collaboration with Arch. Maybe both of them alongside Oculus Imperia &/or The Amber King as well? The Omnisiah would certainly smile on such a hallowed gathering of wisdom! 😊❤
@@markgregory9343 No way in hell a collaboration is gonna happen. Back when Dawn of war 3 came out, Arch called out Lutien for being a corporate shill and im pretty sure Lutien is one of the guys that calls Arch a nazi.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Vraks? Yeah I agree. My favorite part of it is how Arch went out of his way to ensure a continuity and pointing out what he added. Shows a great attention to detail and an understanding of making a coherent story that is rare among lore-tubers.
So according to Lexicanum the Ordo Machinum where in White Dwarf 457 and the 6th edition Inquisition Codex and that is it... So much world building potental here
Speaking of the Golden Throne being an amalgam of Eldar and Imperial tech, the latest book in the Siege of Terra series, Echoes of Eternity, describes the very human way they attempted to bend the Webway to thier own ends, and how "hope this shit works, seems to work for now, repair shit when needed" 'temporary solution' the experiment was when Magnus charged through the Webway and damaged it. They literally tried to force a stable pathway by bolting psycho-active, overlapping, riveted metal mixed with wraithbone, to make a more "physical" tunnel out of the... Esoteric realm, where your focus and wants determines where in the webway you end up. Needless to say, without the beautifully brutalistic "stabilization" method of the webway, trying to march a bunch of clueless soldiers or civillians through it would be an exercise in futility. Vulkan even wonders to himself if it would've worked, with so many myriads of humans trying to unconsciously affect the passage. Would be like making a tunnel out of loosely (single peg) connected lego plates when trying to twist, squish, rotate, elevate, descend, loop, straighten, expand and contract it at a whim. Pieces would start shooting off the rest of the plating awefully quickly. Edit: it also seems that the purpose of the Golden Throne was not just to open and close the portal to the webway, but to stabilize the material. And I would assume this material is still in place quite a 'distance' into the webway. So with Chaos growing stronger over the last 10 millenia, this might be consuming more and more psychic power from the Throne, hence increasing the hunger of the Astronomican and Throne over time.
There are certain Magos that won't deal with anyone unless they have augmentations in some way. That has been touched by the holy machine. There is a really cool book by Black Library about a Raven Guard that gets in some shit during the Martian civil war all because he got told by Corax to go get trained to be a tech marine now that he like 3/4 machine after a Tyranid assault gone bad.
Some day I hope we get a really, properly, gritty and grimdark 40k-story about mutated tomatoes who rampages across the imperium. Like its 40k at its edgiest and darkest.
At least we know what the Ordo Machinum does. All we know about the Ordo Necros is that the Ordo Vigilus was created to WATCH the Ordo Necros and nothing else.
“Subtle” is definitely the word I would use to describe the Inquisition… Maybe the more subtle and thoughtful inquisitors are exiled to Ordos Machinum. That’s my new head canon!
13:24 I wonder if Arch thought his "tomatoes with teeth" was an original idea, or is he aware of the obscure movie franshise called "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" ? Either way, this sounds like a plot for another AotKT movie! Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 40k. Starring Henry Cavill? People would be made if this was the film he did on 40k 🤣
I am not sure that a movie franchise that had several movies, a 2 or 3 season Saturday morning cartoon series, a toy line, and if i remember correctly a comic series as well counts as obscure. Dated maybe.
That piece of lore could be the missing piece to a duology of books around the Admech called 'Skitarii" and "Magos" SPOILERS an attack on a DarkMech world fails and regular Admech Explorator Magus in charge deploys a tech found on the world that is basically a big warp bomb, it backfires spectacularly, the DarkMech world basically becomes a daemon-world and the forge-world of the admech that initially ordered the assault falls to chaos before the strike force finds a way back home. The second book is bizarrely open-ended, but it's obvious the imperium/inquisition will catch up with the techpriest eventually, ordo machinum would have been pretty nice to see there
A single obscure reference in a codex years old then proceeds to ramble on for 30 minutes. I though I could go off on a diatribe. That is impressive Arch
More like inquisitor starts suffering from bugged pilot servitors flying to walls, exploding in hand boltguns and paper shredder trying to eat them. But in honestly thats a great spark for a hard to solve mini civil war. Single inquisitor or a sect of them can't take on the whole mechanicus. And a semi small and privileged retinue and private fleet is immune to mechanicussys usual threat to stall their ammo, appliance and vechike deliveries or turning tech priests working there alone.
For note, Inquisitors were in the 6th Ed Grey Knights Codex. The book had profiles for known Inquisitors, Retinue agents, and even had the long-forgotten Artificer Power Armour profile for Non-Astartes Agents (2+Armour Sv, 6+Inv Sv). I, had a metal Inquisitor with a Power Sword and Boltgun, which is still one of my favourite models!
Basketball size tomatoes with teeth.. going to have every Ork crawling up to that agro world looking to strike it rich.. that's basically a money tree at that point.
My question is - how in the f*ck did Ordo Machinum miss Belisarius Cawl drawing more resources for his primaris project than Imperium itself has to make more spacemarines?
@@breonwogan15 Yes, expanding on Inquisition's involvment would go a long way towards explaining how Warp Squirrel managed to pull off his miraculous feats.
I wonder do people at GW have people watching videos like this and going..."wait...we have this in lore? interesting I will have to look this up, this might be useful"
Honestly, I imagine the machinum aren't mentioned all that much because they don't act in the same memetastic ways that the inquisition normally act. I imagine they are less the exterminatus engines that we see in the other ordos, and instead largely bureaucratic in nature. They are the inquisitors that negotiate jurisdictions, extradite heretics, and notify the mechanicum's own internal police forces when they aren't doing their jobs and some random magos just teleported his forge into a neighbor's moon. Sure, sometimes they do some rad shit and pursue heretics in the name of the omnissiah, but since most of these inquisitors are probably ex-priests themselves, they are probably more inclined to keep mechanicum secrets in house and not air out their "stalwart ally's dirty laundry" for the whole imperium/inquisition to see…
a lot if the minor ordos and organization in the imperium are fascinating despite the little writen about them Anothet of my fqvorite are the magos biologis of the mechanicum. the branch dedicated to biology. Which I find really interesting because most of the mechanicum despise the flesh, while the biologis often see the flesh as just another machine. And might give themselves bio upgrades like extra efficient muscle fibers in a way a regular admech might get a mechadendrite. I could definitely see some some fun doctrinal tension between them and other admechs who look at them with a side eye.
That's one I've never heard of. The sharper knives bit, on the other hand, I remember that I read that detail in one of the older war40k novels(forgot which one, could be the first deathwatch novel but not sure, 'tis been ages) however it was the folded steel method, not a way to better sharpen stuff, that was "rediscovered". Honestly, at times it can sound absurd for humanity to forget so much, then again, it's a fictional universe(and humanity itself!) we're talking about here.
When you upload how to make everything on the computer while having almost no printed out materials because "why would you? If you need it, it is on the computer", and then the computers all either get destroyed or turn genocidal that tends to happen.
It is from one of the earlier Dan Abnet's Gaunt's Ghosts novels, Necropolis I think, or a book or two after it, it's also the one where the radical Inquisitor Heldane finally dies.
@@razor1uk610 Ah, thanks for that, knew it was in an older book, but couldn't remember which off the top, plus the reminder that I didn't finish the series.
So should there not be more Inquisitions that keep an eye on other groups in the imperium? Like for example the Ordo Navigatium (keeps a eye on the navigator houses and the rogue traders and searches for new safe warp routes).
Mine receptors witness glory from the burning of the flame, The fires of the forge are like the trumpets which proclaim, Our engines at full power, your destruction is our aim, Our TRUTH has come online!
I didn't even know this Ordo existed, so thanks for sharing this! Would you ever do a video on the Ordo Chronos? The Warp's potential for time-fuckery is one of the setting's bit of lore that really could stand to be developed better.
I'd rather they didn't, since time travel ala Orikan the Diviner can mess with the gritty permanence that grounds the fantasy. Time distortions, local spacetime anomalies, manifesting echoes of the past or possible futures, re-writing memories or quantum info... sure. TARDIS-like time travel, preferably not.
Ok, the Mechanicus and the Mechanicum are berserk buttons of mine. I am an Admech player, and I like to think I specialize in their lore a little bit. For one thing, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Mechanicum of Mars, despite their similar names, are *two distinct organizations.* The Mechanicum was the organization the Emperor made contact with on Mars after the unification wars. THIS is the organization that was an ally of the Imperium, not part of it, up until the Horus Heresy, when the Mechanicum and its leadership sided with Horus Lupercal. That organization was destroyed, save for the remnants that fled to the Eye of Terror and became the Dark Mechanicum as we know it today. The Adeptus Mechanicus is a department under the Imperium of Man, part of it, just like the Adeptus Terra. It was founded during the Siege of Terra when the Senatorum Imperialis was trying to figure out what to make of those loyal Mechanicum agents who disagreed with Kelbor Hal and stayed with the Imperium. It is a successor organization to the Mechanicum that consists of all the tech priests, organized in much the same way as the Mechanicum, and it's too easy to confuse the two. I'm serious, a loyalist Titan turned around and walked on the Senatorum building to force the issue and ensure the assets of Mars simply weren't gobbled up by Terra. They were effectively negotiating the terms of the annexation of the Mechanicum by the Imperium, and they wanted to remind Terra who the Titan Legions had true loyalties to. The Ordo Machinum, as a part of the Inquisition, really established after the Heresy was over, oversees the Adeptus Mechanicus, which definitively is a part of the Imperium of Man. The Mechanicum of Mars, as far as the Imperium is concerned, is long dead and gone, although those in the eye of terror may disagree. On paper, the Adeptus Mechanicus has far less independence from the Imperium than the original Mechanicum of Mars, but in practice, little has changed for the Tech Priests, because their position is still important.
Now that is an interesting speculation. Tech-adepts could be coopted by earning an Inquisitorial rosette. However, the senior Tech-Magi zealously guard their autonomy and are quite good at harvesting and analyzing information. If not content to be a contained mutual-cooperation delegation, the ordos monitors would have to navigate contact with the noosphere and the Mechanicus' own countersubversion agents.
i cant say ive herd of these guys befor but i think the much beloved all guardsmen part roll play campigh had something or someone called Jundus or something that was like an inturnal watch dog for the cob boys weather or not it was a single person or and oder i cant recall. its being a while since re listened to the AGMP
Always felt GW needed to have more "Imperium but not the High Lords of Terra's Imperium" factions, people serving the Imperium but not directly under the authority of the High Lords of Terra, the Inquisition, or other mortal top-tier of Imperium leadership I like the idea that the Emperor, before his being trapped on the throne by his little tussle with the Heresy, would have assigned special duties to various peoples and planets that would remain in effect because he personally gave the orders, so the orders can't be easily rescinded by the High Lords of Terra. One could do a lot with people running around with ancient imperial rescripts personally signed by the Emperor that must be respected by the Imperium of Man since the Emperor is still the technical head of government and head of state. I am thinking of a story involving a planet with some important resource that the Imperium needs, but the planet itself legally answers only to the Emperor, leading to "complications" as a looming invasion threatens. More importantly, the planet, being independent of the Imperium's mortal hierarchy for the longest time, has its own unique armed forces, technologies, and ways of doing things, making for interesting alternative units for Imperial armies.
One could imagine someone turning on a light switch without the accompanying 5 hours of rituals and sacred oils being lathered in blessed promethium compliments of the Ordo Machanium. What lengths they would go to to punish the Heresy of a defunct toaster being thrown into the trash rather then given a shrine in the holiest of temples least humanity suffer the dread of untoasted bread.
Got a rogue trader game going where we have a number of mechanicus style players that are outright tech heretics, but no other characters are technically inclined to even know.
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I was planning a Dark Heresy campaign where a magos becomes corrupted by a possessed STC. Adding the Ordo could be interesting
*I* am interested
Even the mere concept of a "possessed/corrupted STC" being possible is practically a Heresy in its own right!
The Phaenonite inquisitorial faction (insofar as it can be called that) might also be worth looking at, if your interested in such campaign themes. Their in the radical's handbook (Arch's example of a misbehaving Forge World at 17:27 can most CERTAINLY apply to Idumea), & briefly mentioned a couple of times in daemon hunter. This is for 1st Edition dark heresy by the way, in case you didn't know.
@@marsar1775 Same! Would happily play alongside you, fellow Acolyte! 😊
@@cameronjames3499not really it's a gimmick that is in at least 3 books as the premise and twist of the plot.
One of the other less-well-known Ordos is the Ordo Chronos which deals with timey-wimey-ball stuff. they were introduced and then shortly de-introduced after the entire ordo disappeared all at once. In the short story _The Pharisene Paradox_ It's hinted that the Ordo's disappearance was something they themselves initiated in order to undertake some mission.
Wasn’t this something to do with the Chronus War?? Guilleman was trying to find out exactly how much time has passed since he went into stasis and basically kept getting blocked at every turn
They actually returned and had a civil war over Guilliman's new calendar
@〈〈〈 FINAL BOSS 〉〉〉 more or less they were examining 5 different calendars and came to the conclusion "the current year can be anywhere between the early 41st Millennium and the 43rd Millennium" (a margin of error of 2000 years). And then Guilliman decided to just make a new calendar.
And then there was the time the entire Ordo vanished.
And then they somehow managed to imprison a member of the Legion of the Damned.
And then it turns out they know about the Fallen and are hunting for them (makes marginally more sense given how they retconned Caliban into being destroyed, in part, thanks to time traveling Dark Angels and how the Fallen were already time displaced Astartes).
And they are also fighting the Alpha Legion.
So, tl;dr: they are doing whatever the heck they want thanks to the authors.
@@elysiankentarchy1531 xD oh god humanity has time travel powers, I thought only Necrons had that
@@TheFatalcrestthe technology apparently did at one point exist, I forgot thr book but a mechanicus ship literally has a time travel cannon lol
*Mechanicus:* "Can we have inquisitors?"
*Inquisition:* "Sure, why not"
*Mechanicus:* "WEEEE"
How it actually happened:
*Inquisition:* "The inquisitors who go to your Forge Worlds keep dying in mysterious accidents."
*Mechanicus:* "That is your problem."
@@hashkangaroo I mean the Ad Mech would 100% want their own Inquisitiors, especially after the Horus Heresy and the Death of Innocence.
One small Ordo we've encountered in our games of Rogue Trader, is the Ordo Chronos. Because we kept getting copied by warp jumps and having to Highlander the copies, the inquisitor just left a team on our homeworld to handle the usual song and dance paperwork when it inevitably happened again.
Sounds like a SCP-6511 type of situation, where you retrocasually delete your organization to deal with something that could destroy or corrupt the organization.
@@KaiserAfini naw we just kept asking for the fun warp jump chart and kept rolling the really silly duplication effect. It happened twice almost consecutively, so it was likely to happen again. Plus I am told this happened before in a previous game they play before I joined. That one was solved by the Krieger bodyguards talking with their copies and deciding the highlander the pair of Rogue Traders to settle the issue. It worked out, and thanks to that game our custom sector has Krieg 2 and the Krieg bar and grill. (Don't ask I didn't question it.)
Id love to see the Ordo Sinister brought back into the fold. Their war machines were so grimdark and terrifying.
My RUclips avatar has been their sigil/logo since the day I joined RUclips.
Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that part of the Ordo Sinister's allure is that they only take orders from the Emperor, not Warmasters, Lord Commanders, or even Malcador. They are the Left Hand of the Emperor as Malcador is the Right.
A potential way to bring them back in would be if a reliable diviner's reading of the Emperor's Tarot matched what a Custodian of the Emissaries Imperatus (Custodes who can hear the Emperor through great meditation and are experts at diplomacy) says. I think their Grandmaster might take two things that are bound to the Emperor as confirmation.
And before you ask "how would a reading of the Emperor's Tarot tell you that the Emperor wanted them to wreck a bitch?" the Emperor's Tarot is psychic, and he has added cards before (like the Tyrant Star Card, which only appears in the Calixis Sector), so he could add a Black Lion Card for this unique occasion, because he's the Motherfucking Emperor, and he can do that.
@Jagne Stormskull The Emperor is more active now then he has been in thousands of years so it could happen .
Imagine the Ordo Sinister marching and confronting Angron on the battlefield with The Lion leading them. Heck with Chaos on the rise in general, Ordo Sinister could be more useful then ever.
Gotta wonder how useful they'd be vs the Tyranids.
@@admiraltiberius1989 Ah, that battle you proposed with the Lion, Angron, and the Ordo Sinister is just *blows kiss.*
@@admiraltiberius1989 I think the Ordo Sinister has been sitting in their sealed vaults, waiting for the emperor to command them once more. As soon as he does, they'll ride for him. Do drills against Angron for free.
@Neiasaurus Creations imagine the Grey Knights and Ordo Sinister working together, that'd be pretty fantastic 👌
Personally, I love the fact that the Mechanicus has their own internal Inquisition: the Prefecture Magisterium. It was mentioned in the Horus Heresy campaign books and appears in a Wrath & Glory campaign. I wonder what relations between the Prefecture and the Ordo Machinum are like. I assume antagonistic.
Unless the Ordo Machinum are themselves members of the Magistrate. At which point the Machinum is basically a diplomatic envoy/embassy within the inquisition from the AdMech. At which point, I imagine the Machinum are hated by their fellow inquisitors…
Arch, there has been 3 Inquistion codexes, Witchunters and Daemonhunters, and 7th eds “Imperial Agents” codex, which was a grab bag for Sisters and every other Imperial one-off unit (assassins, etc) using the Inquisition to weld them together.
I almost purchased the Daemonhunter's codex at a trade show lol.
According to the Lexicanum, the Ordo Machinum was mentioned in Codex Inquisition and WD457
I like the niche organization and small scale videos (like the Severan Dominate), please do more.
Arch’s forte is being able to go in depth and paint a visual picture. So these small scale videos are great. This is truly what fleshes out the lore. Mans made so many videos he might as well have written novels for the black library.
Inquisitorial Mechanicum agents? Now that is really interesting. The concept alone is very intriguing, and learning about them is even more so.
I just had the image of Imperium OSHA coming in
@@paulofevilbathrobes4627 You really think the Imperium has OSHA with Servitors being a thing? And with the labor conditions of Manufactorum workers?
Make a good video game.
Just rip off... Umm... I mean "be inspired by" AvP.
It's a Mechanicum research base (totally not Weyland-Yutani) researching nids (totally not Aliens), get attacked/infiltrated by Drukhari (totally not Predators), causes the poop 💩 to hit the fan. Etc.
@@jtjames79well that sounds like a place you really really really don't want to be. On one side you have the giant space locusts who want to eat you. And the other you have the drug enthused spikey BDSM enthusiast who don't know the concept of a safe word and take it far far far too seriously... I'll choose the Locusts though
The toaster Inquisition, no bread will be untoasted and it shall always be golden brown. Burnt and hard bread is pure heresy.
The potential for stories is staggering.
When 10% of your job is looking for tech-heresy 30% is confiscating toasters and 60% is scratching out every instance of 'Machine-God' and replacing it with 'Omnissiah'.
The rest of the job is preventing the techpriests smuggling Necron parts to Mars.
100% of the time looking funny at the airlock controls for tampering.
@@bhushanharripersad5716why would they do that when they have a perfectly good C’tan in the basement?
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 that's for Cawl's personal use, the mid level Magos need their advanced xenotech too.
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I would think the Ordo Machinum does more policing on the Imperial side making sure that technology gifted to them is not being missused as to keep the alliance between the Machine Cult and Imperium of Man in good standings. Ordo Hereticus, Ordo Mallus, and Ordo Xenos already stare into Mechanicus affairs enough that there isn't anything for the Ordo Machinum other than any hints of Abominable Intelligence.
Otherwise they are just Space ATF.
They will shoot your dog. Along with all other dogs on the planet.
A Magos bringing about "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" in 40K is something I want to see happen now.
The plague of orks brought about in the aftermath don't care about the tomato but they do want the teeth...
Because of the technical nature the Inquisition would likely have to almost exclusively recruit from within the Mechanicus itself. The internal politics probably make that a much easier prospect than you'd initially think.
Just wanted to say between you and Lutien and this massive 40K binge I’ve been on, I finally pulled the trigger and tried Dawn of War.
Haven’t gotten too far in it but damn have i forgotten how much I missed the RTS genre.
Also, The Siege of Vraks is one of my favorite audio dramas I found on RUclips.
1, 2, or both? But regardless; certainly is a classic game! Have fun, it truly is a great ride! Oh; & Lutien is also a really great loremaster. Would love to see a collaboration with Arch. Maybe both of them alongside Oculus Imperia &/or The Amber King as well? The Omnisiah would certainly smile on such a hallowed gathering of wisdom! 😊❤
@@markgregory9343 Dawn of War 1, all expansion packs.
That series is next level. All the artwork put in as well.
@@markgregory9343 No way in hell a collaboration is gonna happen.
Back when Dawn of war 3 came out, Arch called out Lutien for being a corporate shill and im pretty sure Lutien is one of the guys that calls Arch a nazi.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Vraks? Yeah I agree.
My favorite part of it is how Arch went out of his way to ensure a continuity and pointing out what he added. Shows a great attention to detail and an understanding of making a coherent story that is rare among lore-tubers.
13:20 "It might create tomatoes the size of basketballs. Or, it could create tomatoes the size of basketballs...WITH TEETH!!!!"
So according to Lexicanum the Ordo Machinum where in White Dwarf 457 and the 6th edition Inquisition Codex and that is it... So much world building potental here
Speaking of the Golden Throne being an amalgam of Eldar and Imperial tech, the latest book in the Siege of Terra series, Echoes of Eternity, describes the very human way they attempted to bend the Webway to thier own ends, and how "hope this shit works, seems to work for now, repair shit when needed" 'temporary solution' the experiment was when Magnus charged through the Webway and damaged it. They literally tried to force a stable pathway by bolting psycho-active, overlapping, riveted metal mixed with wraithbone, to make a more "physical" tunnel out of the... Esoteric realm, where your focus and wants determines where in the webway you end up. Needless to say, without the beautifully brutalistic "stabilization" method of the webway, trying to march a bunch of clueless soldiers or civillians through it would be an exercise in futility. Vulkan even wonders to himself if it would've worked, with so many myriads of humans trying to unconsciously affect the passage. Would be like making a tunnel out of loosely (single peg) connected lego plates when trying to twist, squish, rotate, elevate, descend, loop, straighten, expand and contract it at a whim. Pieces would start shooting off the rest of the plating awefully quickly.
Edit: it also seems that the purpose of the Golden Throne was not just to open and close the portal to the webway, but to stabilize the material. And I would assume this material is still in place quite a 'distance' into the webway. So with Chaos growing stronger over the last 10 millenia, this might be consuming more and more psychic power from the Throne, hence increasing the hunger of the Astronomican and Throne over time.
"Let's see if this blows out a piece of the planet or not. Failure is instructive: Let's learn something!"
There are certain Magos that won't deal with anyone unless they have augmentations in some way. That has been touched by the holy machine. There is a really cool book by Black Library about a Raven Guard that gets in some shit during the Martian civil war all because he got told by Corax to go get trained to be a tech marine now that he like 3/4 machine after a Tyranid assault gone bad.
I hope we get a "Codex: Inquisition" in 10th edition. This just makes me want it even more!
Some day I hope we get a really, properly, gritty and grimdark 40k-story about mutated tomatoes who rampages across the imperium. Like its 40k at its edgiest and darkest.
Such a cool and interesting Ordo gets so little attention...It's almost a crime!
At least we know what the Ordo Machinum does. All we know about the Ordo Necros is that the Ordo Vigilus was created to WATCH the Ordo Necros and nothing else.
Mechanicus: the imperium couldn't survive without me!
Squats: sup.
Mechanicus: oh no.
“Subtle” is definitely the word I would use to describe the Inquisition…
Maybe the more subtle and thoughtful inquisitors are exiled to Ordos Machinum. That’s my new head canon!
13:24 I wonder if Arch thought his "tomatoes with teeth" was an original idea, or is he aware of the obscure movie franshise called "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" ?
Either way, this sounds like a plot for another AotKT movie! Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 40k. Starring Henry Cavill? People would be made if this was the film he did on 40k 🤣
I would, without a moment's hesitation, watch that.
I am not sure that a movie franchise that had several movies, a 2 or 3 season Saturday morning cartoon series, a toy line, and if i remember correctly a comic series as well counts as obscure. Dated maybe.
Really entertaining obscure lore ,you always deliver Arch
the potatoes example would (I think) fit perfectly with some "Lamas in hats" reference, "But Carl that kills people"
My favorite part if your channel are these kinds of videos where u get super detailed.
The imperium should just hand over any stc they find to belasarius cawl. I am pretty sure he can reverse-engineer every stc in his coffee break 😅.
awesome vid.
Only arch could get so into mecanicum inquisition lore so hard
That piece of lore could be the missing piece to a duology of books around the Admech called 'Skitarii" and "Magos"
SPOILERS
an attack on a DarkMech world fails and regular Admech Explorator Magus in charge deploys a tech found on the world that is basically a big warp bomb, it backfires spectacularly, the DarkMech world basically becomes a daemon-world and the forge-world of the admech that initially ordered the assault falls to chaos before the strike force finds a way back home. The second book is bizarrely open-ended, but it's obvious the imperium/inquisition will catch up with the techpriest eventually, ordo machinum would have been pretty nice to see there
A single obscure reference in a codex years old then proceeds to ramble on for 30 minutes. I though I could go off on a diatribe. That is impressive Arch
AHH Arch. I had not but now do have an explenation for the GREAT but woe fully underrated classic.
ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES
Makes sense, imagine an inquisitor needing ship repairs but having to wait centuries. With the ordo mech they probably get stuff faster
I wonder if the Adeptus Mechanicus suffers from ork snipers too.
More like inquisitor starts suffering from bugged pilot servitors flying to walls, exploding in hand boltguns and paper shredder trying to eat them.
But in honestly thats a great spark for a hard to solve mini civil war. Single inquisitor or a sect of them can't take on the whole mechanicus. And a semi small and privileged retinue and private fleet is immune to mechanicussys usual threat to stall their ammo, appliance and vechike deliveries or turning tech priests working there alone.
@@yetipotato8567 this thought process makes me want to see a shadow war between the two.
The Mechanicum helps to manage the cloning vats of the Assassinorum, so yes.
🤔probably about as much as the Inquisitors run across a glitch in the airlocks I would bet.
Experiencing "technical difficulties"
Holy Emperors teeth, i l8ve your sense of humor and delivery. One of a kind.
Another cool and interesting video from Arch. The Ordo Machinum is a cool mini faction of the Inquisition.
Ah finally. I was beginning to wonder if it was really Friday.
For note, Inquisitors were in the 6th Ed Grey Knights Codex. The book had profiles for known Inquisitors, Retinue agents, and even had the long-forgotten Artificer Power Armour profile for Non-Astartes Agents (2+Armour Sv, 6+Inv Sv). I, had a metal Inquisitor with a Power Sword and Boltgun, which is still one of my favourite models!
arch:this is a tiny piece of lore
me :oh must be a short video (checks video time )
Ancient quotation from old Terra. "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer!"
I would suspect that the ordo would get its recruits from the Mechanicum itself.
Basketball size tomatoes with teeth.. going to have every Ork crawling up to that agro world looking to strike it rich.. that's basically a money tree at that point.
Just makes the theme from "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 🍅 " play in my head, one of my favorite bad movie series from the 80's.
Always a pleasure to listen to you sir. Thank you for doing what you do :)
Great video man , i know ppl said it a lot down the comtn but you got amazing voice .
Hey Arch, Have you ever thought of showing off your minis? I want to see how good you are at painting.
_immediately starts hearing Mechanicus OST - Children of the Omnissiah in my head_
It is mentioned briefly in the first book of the Tech priest of Mars trilogy.
My question is - how in the f*ck did Ordo Machinum miss Belisarius Cawl drawing more resources for his primaris project than Imperium itself has to make more spacemarines?
Being a warp squirrel is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
He had all his paperwork in order, and his stamp set is bigger than any living inqujsitors.
Maybe they were in on it? They aided Cawl on keeping the secret?
@@breonwogan15 Yes, expanding on Inquisition's involvment would go a long way towards explaining how Warp Squirrel managed to pull off his miraculous feats.
The Ultra Daddy primarch got his back lol
The M34 Tomato Wars were some of the bloodiest in Imperial history.
Very bloody yes but it has nothing on the Khornate Corn Uprising.
Oh, is that how "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" happened? XD
I was looking at the picture and saw the dude in the background, first thing that came to mind was that guy thinking “The fcuk did he just say???”
Arch is getting more and more savage over time.
I wonder do people at GW have people watching videos like this and going..."wait...we have this in lore? interesting I will have to look this up, this might be useful"
5:55 2 soldiers found an stc for sharper knives, their reward? they were each given a PLANET
13:55 AAAAATTTAAAAACKKKK OF THE KILLER TOMATOS
Arch lore video. Always a winning choice.
If they're so special how come I've never heard of them-
BAM
Hehehe 😁
Minor faction lore, the juiciest faction lore.
Honestly, I imagine the machinum aren't mentioned all that much because they don't act in the same memetastic ways that the inquisition normally act. I imagine they are less the exterminatus engines that we see in the other ordos, and instead largely bureaucratic in nature.
They are the inquisitors that negotiate jurisdictions, extradite heretics, and notify the mechanicum's own internal police forces when they aren't doing their jobs and some random magos just teleported his forge into a neighbor's moon. Sure, sometimes they do some rad shit and pursue heretics in the name of the omnissiah, but since most of these inquisitors are probably ex-priests themselves, they are probably more inclined to keep mechanicum secrets in house and not air out their "stalwart ally's dirty laundry" for the whole imperium/inquisition to see…
Yeah, you mentioned that Rogue Traders that delivered one of those (and the example was a better knife) were paid in planets.
I was not expecting an Attack of the Killer Tomatoes reference here.
The special agents of the special agents. I go for that
*6:58 Before Cawl :(
Interestingly the way the Imperium runs economy bears some similarity to North Korea's "Military first policy"
3e had Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters codices. I think both have various rules for making an inquisitorial retinue complete with Jokaero etc.
I wonder if this will grow into a major faction of the inquisition given Vashtorr’s inevitable rise to the fifth chaos god seat.
I think these guys make an appearance in the all guardsmen party story
Maybe you should do a book on these guys Arch. Seems here that you probably put more thought into them than GW has.
I had no idea they had an inquistion. But makes sense.
The Imperium is kind of already a bunch of savages living in the ruins of past glories.
a lot if the minor ordos and organization in the imperium are fascinating despite the little writen about them
Anothet of my fqvorite are the magos biologis of the mechanicum. the branch dedicated to biology. Which I find really interesting because most of the mechanicum despise the flesh, while the biologis often see the flesh as just another machine. And might give themselves bio upgrades like extra efficient muscle fibers in a way a regular admech might get a mechadendrite. I could definitely see some some fun doctrinal tension between them and other admechs who look at them with a side eye.
That's one I've never heard of. The sharper knives bit, on the other hand, I remember that I read that detail in one of the older war40k novels(forgot which one, could be the first deathwatch novel but not sure, 'tis been ages) however it was the folded steel method, not a way to better sharpen stuff, that was "rediscovered". Honestly, at times it can sound absurd for humanity to forget so much, then again, it's a fictional universe(and humanity itself!) we're talking about here.
When you upload how to make everything on the computer while having almost no printed out materials because "why would you? If you need it, it is on the computer", and then the computers all either get destroyed or turn genocidal that tends to happen.
It is from one of the earlier Dan Abnet's Gaunt's Ghosts novels, Necropolis I think, or a book or two after it, it's also the one where the radical Inquisitor Heldane finally dies.
@@razor1uk610 Ah, thanks for that, knew it was in an older book, but couldn't remember which off the top, plus the reminder that I didn't finish the series.
The Mechanicum is probably my favorite Imperial Faction. It's just so my cooler and has so much more going on than any other single faction.
Hey I discovered that I can use my hair drier not only to dry my hair, but also my pants!.... HERESY!
So should there not be more Inquisitions that keep an eye on other groups in the imperium?
Like for example the Ordo Navigatium (keeps a eye on the navigator houses and the rogue traders and searches for new safe warp routes).
And just 5 mins before listening to this, I played Inquisitor: Martyr as a magos Inquisitor 😂
I dare say that the idea of the Lords Dragon from Dark Heresy is in itself way better.
Since we're doing obscure 40K lore do a video on the felinids next, I guarantee you'll have no shortage of background art :p
Mine receptors witness glory from the burning of the flame,
The fires of the forge are like the trumpets which proclaim,
Our engines at full power, your destruction is our aim,
Our TRUTH has come online!
What would they do if they found an STC for a science lab
I can’t say this enough but thanks Arch! Hearing new lore is the highlight of my day! Don’t ever stop!
I could be wrong was the inquisitor from the game inquisitor dlc with the admech character a member of this ordo ??
Suggestion: Knight Worlds as detialed as possible please.
I didn't even know this Ordo existed, so thanks for sharing this! Would you ever do a video on the Ordo Chronos? The Warp's potential for time-fuckery is one of the setting's bit of lore that really could stand to be developed better.
I'd rather they didn't, since time travel ala Orikan the Diviner can mess with the gritty permanence that grounds the fantasy.
Time distortions, local spacetime anomalies, manifesting echoes of the past or possible futures, re-writing memories or quantum info... sure. TARDIS-like time travel, preferably not.
Tech adept finds stc fragment, "let's f**k around and find out"
The different between science and f**king around is writing down the results
Ok, the Mechanicus and the Mechanicum are berserk buttons of mine. I am an Admech player, and I like to think I specialize in their lore a little bit. For one thing, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Mechanicum of Mars, despite their similar names, are *two distinct organizations.* The Mechanicum was the organization the Emperor made contact with on Mars after the unification wars. THIS is the organization that was an ally of the Imperium, not part of it, up until the Horus Heresy, when the Mechanicum and its leadership sided with Horus Lupercal. That organization was destroyed, save for the remnants that fled to the Eye of Terror and became the Dark Mechanicum as we know it today. The Adeptus Mechanicus is a department under the Imperium of Man, part of it, just like the Adeptus Terra. It was founded during the Siege of Terra when the Senatorum Imperialis was trying to figure out what to make of those loyal Mechanicum agents who disagreed with Kelbor Hal and stayed with the Imperium. It is a successor organization to the Mechanicum that consists of all the tech priests, organized in much the same way as the Mechanicum, and it's too easy to confuse the two. I'm serious, a loyalist Titan turned around and walked on the Senatorum building to force the issue and ensure the assets of Mars simply weren't gobbled up by Terra. They were effectively negotiating the terms of the annexation of the Mechanicum by the Imperium, and they wanted to remind Terra who the Titan Legions had true loyalties to.
The Ordo Machinum, as a part of the Inquisition, really established after the Heresy was over, oversees the Adeptus Mechanicus, which definitively is a part of the Imperium of Man. The Mechanicum of Mars, as far as the Imperium is concerned, is long dead and gone, although those in the eye of terror may disagree. On paper, the Adeptus Mechanicus has far less independence from the Imperium than the original Mechanicum of Mars, but in practice, little has changed for the Tech Priests, because their position is still important.
They don’t see themselves as really under the empire.
Wasn't there an ordo called Janis? Janus? In one of the RPGs that were techpriest inquisitors
Now that is an interesting speculation. Tech-adepts could be coopted by earning an Inquisitorial rosette. However, the senior Tech-Magi zealously guard their autonomy and are quite good at harvesting and analyzing information. If not content to be a contained mutual-cooperation delegation, the ordos monitors would have to navigate contact with the noosphere and the Mechanicus' own countersubversion agents.
[libationes dei, Ducis-Ducum, Imperatoris]
Ordo machinum is in codex inquisition and a single article in white dwarf 457 from March 2020 that's it.
i cant say ive herd of these guys befor but i think the much beloved all guardsmen part roll play campigh had something or someone called Jundus or something that was like an inturnal watch dog for the cob boys weather or not it was a single person or and oder i cant recall. its being a while since re listened to the AGMP
So, Arch, are you going to cover any of the Arks of Omen lore that's been coming out? Because that stuff is damn cool and interesting in my opinion.
Attack of the Killer Tomatos: 40k Edition.
Not a chance in a runaway forge anyone volunteers for that branch.😳 Just dealing with the Roomba discoveries boggles the mind.
Always felt GW needed to have more "Imperium but not the High Lords of Terra's Imperium" factions, people serving the Imperium but not directly under the authority of the High Lords of Terra, the Inquisition, or other mortal top-tier of Imperium leadership
I like the idea that the Emperor, before his being trapped on the throne by his little tussle with the Heresy, would have assigned special duties to various peoples and planets that would remain in effect because he personally gave the orders, so the orders can't be easily rescinded by the High Lords of Terra.
One could do a lot with people running around with ancient imperial rescripts personally signed by the Emperor that must be respected by the Imperium of Man since the Emperor is still the technical head of government and head of state.
I am thinking of a story involving a planet with some important resource that the Imperium needs, but the planet itself legally answers only to the Emperor, leading to "complications" as a looming invasion threatens. More importantly, the planet, being independent of the Imperium's mortal hierarchy for the longest time, has its own unique armed forces, technologies, and ways of doing things, making for interesting alternative units for Imperial armies.
One could imagine someone turning on a light switch without the accompanying 5 hours of rituals and sacred oils being lathered in blessed promethium compliments of the Ordo Machanium. What lengths they would go to to punish the Heresy of a defunct toaster being thrown into the trash rather then given a shrine in the holiest of temples least humanity suffer the dread of untoasted bread.
Got a rogue trader game going where we have a number of mechanicus style players that are outright tech heretics, but no other characters are technically inclined to even know.