The Horusian Faction Of The God Emperors Inquisition! Resurrecting Horus Lupercal !?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions as they say! but sometimes... even the god emperors most holy inquisition can be guilty of intending a bit to much... and resurrecting Horus Lupercal in order to in turn resurrect the emperor! That's quite the fever dream even by inquisitor standards! But such is the aim of The Horusian
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I remember reading one of the Black Legion books where a group of Abaddon’s crew found Moriana for the first time. They had no idea what had been going on outside the Eye of Terror at this point in time, and when she let slip that the modern day Imperium worshipped the Emperor as a god, they were like ‘… da fuck?’ One of them even started laughing so uncontrollably that I think he wept blood or something, and jokingly proclaimed ‘The bastard Word Bearers won!’ The irony of the Word Bearers turning the other traitor legions against the Emperor because he wouldn’t let them worship him as a god, only for him to become a god after they had renounced him, obviously wasn’t lost on this guy.
Black Legion chuckling in the back of the room, muttering: "Holy shit." And covering his helmet's 'mouth' in an attempt to stifle the laughter.
@@iona2225Okay, both of these comments brought a smile to my face
One of my favorite parts in book two!
All power demands sacrifice. And for the Word Bearers to make their faith come true, they had to sacrifice their faith.
It's a rule to not mention it around them.
This isn’t even Heresy anymore! This is flat up apostasy! Glass the whole subsector!
Unleash the Weapons of Mass Exterminatus!!!
Get the belt!
Which one?
@@theliato3809ALL OF THEM!
For an extremely rare radical group they seem to appear in 100% of Dark Heresy campaigns.
I tried avoiding this cliche by going with “Istvaanian”, in hindsight, results didn’t really vary that much.
Probably the same reason I went with Word Bearers for my Chaos Space Marines, if I'm going to play evil I might as well go with the biggest group of unapologetic psychos in the setting.
@@lordfrostwind3151 If you like unapologetic irredeemable immoral debased and reprobatic psychos you may be interested in the Tau Empire.
That might say more about the nature of dark heresey games
@MilkTankz oh there's a few bigger, but come on the guys who saw the full horror of what the Dark Gods wanted and made that their life's mission? At least the Iron Warriors just want to make a battery out of the thing. Night Lord's are probably close and certainly some individual legion members like Bile but as a whole I'd say Word Bearers are the most evil legion.
Resurrecting Horus to be a vessel for the Emperor's soul? Do you want the Dark King?
This is how you get the Dark King.
No God's, No Masters ending.
😂
So who do I have to ressurect if I don't want the Dark King?
@@tomasburian6550 Sigismund, please
resurrecting someone who doesnt exist in the materium or immaterium.......Emperors sword saw to that for a reason
If the goal is to clone a vessel for the Emperor, then wouldn't it make more sense to clone the actual Emperor? He is technically still alive and it should be possible to extract a genetic sample from him.
yeah isn't that like making a backup body for yourself that's a foot shorter and straight up worse in everyway including brainpower
edit it's also easier to get big e's genes just examine an imperial degree or warrant of trade those used a drop of his blood
2nd edit: or just use gullimen his body is right there
I feel like that would be considered too far even for the Horusians. Its like try to clone Jesus
I think he's just bone now.
@@mitchellline4242I could see humans doing that do if they had a chance...
😂 you'd think you could scrape a bit of marrow or bone shaving....if you won't be vaporized by the gaurds next to the door
Ah yes, because reviving the ARCH TRAITOR HIMSELF is definitely not a bad idea, couldn’t possibly go wrong.
Horus had his soul destroyed by the Emperor.
It was recon thus we get the Somehow Horus has return quote@@mutegrab666
Imagine if they succeed but Horus comes back with only his memories from before he was struck with the blade.
So he’s wondering why robooty, lion boy and corbus are gunning for him like he just murdered their further or soemthing
So,lupercalian redemption,without rawbutt accepting horus in just a single chapter
>all the Blood Angels immediately go ape shit
Ah yes the non-existent faction that doesnt exist, that never existed, and stop asking if they do exist, because they never did.
Bah. Nonsense! *PRAISE HORUS*
THERE ARE NO SECRETS HERE. THE DARK ANG.........THE HORUSIANS ARE THE MOST FAITHFUL AND HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!!
And thats a good thing
The fact that you just described like five factions doesn’t help.
Just like the fallen
"The very first Horusian was a woman wh-"
No no, that explains it.
"A Woman's work is never done"
A historical observation?
Based
Lol thought the same thing when I heard that part....
Well Horus is the biggest Alfa badboy in the setting. 😂
One problem is also that canonically, Horus is the single most dead being in the entire setting
they probably don't understand that concept in universe lol
So... Go look up the spoilers for the last HH book. Let's just say this video became really topical.
Yes, as far as I know Emps sent Horus to extra shadow realm by killing him mega death
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 *groans audibly*
And this is why i’ve grown to loathe the HH series. The damage it has done to the lore wasn’t worth it and i prefered it when the hh was a time of legends and myths never to return…oh nvm lol all the primaches coming back haha.
@@libertinarey I go for the middle path I think the Heresy was something that needed to be told at some point but not in 60 plus over 15 years or something, so much bloat and a lot of changes made to old lore really were for the worse, that they left open the chance for Horus to return really is a detriment to the whole setting IMO.
I just love this setting. So many good intentions and perfectly rational logic mixed with desperation leading not just down the road to damnation but then coming back completely crazed with hell itself fallowing behind you. No "It is just mean for the sake of it" like most such settings. Even an awful idea like the Horusians or everything the Dark Eldar do has a perfectly reasonable line of logic behind it. The fist steps at least. Very few settings would bother to give reason to the actions of The Imperium or the Necrons. And it makes the Inquisition so fascinating. Almost any faction no matter how crazy has a perfectly rational trail of logic from where they start to the fiery madness they all seem to end up with.
That is true.
Philosophers who study ethics would have a field day with Warhammer 40K!
40k is a perfect example of the "slippery slope". That a lot of folks want to pretend doesn't exist. It's like the burned man in fallout new Vegas when he is asked how he became the leader of Caesar's army. "It started with translating, translating became giving orders, giving orders became leading, training and punishing"
@@markcarpenter6020 Sadly, there exists no possibilities on the horizon for the Imperium to find peace like Joshua Graham did.
@@kielbasamage probably one of the best written characters in the game.
There are so many points in this video that make me say "This is a stupid idea" that if the Horusians heart is in the right place, teir brains have effed off so deep into the warp the gods won't even find them
I actually like the idea of Horus reappearing in the setting... but only as an appirition before Abaddon appears before the golden throne.
The emperor didn't destroy him so much as 'recalled him' and horus's spirit has lingered at his father's side all these years, watching his father wither and die day by day for thousands of years. He would try in vain to get Abaddon to abandon his quest, to not repeat his mistakes. That the gods are indeed using him.
Abbadon would ignore this of course, but I feel it'd be a nice setup before the final act in the setting.
I love how Arch's headcannon of Horus's defeat against Abbadon can only be the sheer dumb luck caused by the side effect of cloning.
Not gods bestowing favor, not Abbadon's own ambitions to persevere, not even Abbadon's own damn luck, but ONLY by the unluck of a clone. Arch just denied the poor failbadon of even a lucky dice roll XDD
Has the Horusians ever attempting taking one of the C'tan containment bodies from the Necrons and using that to store the Emperor's soul?
Making Big E a new body out of C'tan Necrodermis is just schizophrenic & asinine enough that it might give Big E a path to Apotheosis without him absorbing the entirety of Segmentum Solar(at least) into his Realm in The Immaterium.
Someone tell Guilliman to get The Silent King on the phone while The Lion tracks down The Outsider's Dyson Sphere prison.
Considering what putting the c'tan in them did to the c'tan do you really think that's a good idea? They went from meandering star vampires to godlike, manipulative, genocidal, death machines bent on consuming every tasty morsel in the universe.
Ngl, that might just work.
Or let the Emperor corrupt an Eldar Avatar of Khaine, provided you can somehow transport it to Terra in one piece.
I call it corrupt because E would need to psykically bend and break its physical form to look more like himself. Not unlike what a daemon of Chaos does to a daemonhost.
That's some Quixos-level of mad genius that might just work or destroy everyone and everything, worth the gamble, I say.
Trazyn might be able to hook them up, but expect him to yoink something valuable in the process. Like Big E's entire body. Or the Golden Throne.
Or the entire Imperial Palace, because Necron tech is bullshit.
An interesting point of the clones. Their lamenter's level misfortunes are obviously Warp nonsense of one form or another.
It would've been rather funny if the solution to the problem would just be to add the pariah gene to the mix.
Indeed, seems like the clones in the Bequin novels were doing just fine.
Pariah Emperor. Terrifying.
>Radical faction of the Inquisition wants to save the Imperium by resurrecting the guy who nearly destroyed it
>Started by a woman
Checks out
lmao
Thirsty for that Horus.
And yet you wonder why people say this community hates women...
By the God Emperor woman, don't make me fetch my slippers. This one ranks right up there as an all time bad idea
I imagine there is a Primaris Chapter or two that wonders why they regularly have a band of very sneaky, secretive Inquisitors following them around. And why oh why do these Inquisitors keep providing Psyker youths to the chapter.
"What could possibly go wrong ? " - common saying among Horusians (probably I don't know)
How do you know the secret password?
Arch ✅ Existential Crisis ✅ Your Favorite 40K Lore Channel on a Snow day ; Priceless 😎
I mean, aren't the Horusians basically ignoring the big blue elephant in the room, as of now? Like, if Horus, a primarch would be supposed to be capable of containing Big-E's Psychic Battery-Acid, then what about Guiliman, or Lion El? It would be no less crazy for them to try and use them somehow than all those other means.
I mean bigE is a perpetual. So if he died he should come back just fine without a host body.
The real problem is the massive warprift he is holding shut by sitting on the golden throne.
If he died or was removed from it terra is fucked so he wont go even if you had a perfect vessel for him.
the real solution would be fixing that so he can stop holding things together and focus on fixing himself.
I'm sure it's not lost on several of them, and may greatly accelerate the goals, but I think most still haven't had time to adjust to the new situation. Though one I remember hearing a lot was the Horusians looking at resurrecting Sanguinius as a vessel of the Emperor possibility, kinda like a super version of an Imperial Saint.
Guilliman literally becomes a conduit for Big E's power in Godblight but it was still him in control because the Emperor's psyche has fragmented over 10,000 years. The underlying problem is piecing the mind back together.
@@kertas1991111 You dont know that. Its a theory. Just as the one who says hes a chaos god.
Its outright stated by olanius that he is in fact a perpetual and he would know because he is even older then big e.@vampirecount3880
"I hope that youve learned more than youve ever wanted to"
Yes. Its as if an inquisitor captured me and implanted me with divine intelligence against my will.
This makes more sense that at first glance. We know that the Emperor destroyed Horus' very soul, so if they could somehow retrief and revive the actual corpse, it would already be an empty shell, ready to receive the Emperor's soul.
Sure it is a body that's bound to be heavily corrupted by Chaos, but this is the Emperor we are talking about here, so he should be able to cleanse that easily enough.
But if they abondoned getting Horus' body or a close... wouldn't the next-best thing be a primarch? With them crawling out of the woodwork again, they even have some choice now. And who knows, maybe one of them might even be willing to cooperate and sacrifice their own soul, for bringing Big E back.
Now I'm starting to wonder if the Cacodominus was a creation of the Horusians 🤔 It was a cyborg, was powerful enough to psychically control entire systems, its psychic death scream was powerful enough to kill a few billion psykers, and the Inquisition already has a history of this nonsense when they created that "Tyranid ➕" prototype for the Assassinorum
"Erda helping the Emperor and then going full Chaos pawn " wa a really silly idea.
Wouldn't it make more sense to steal the Eldar's wraithbone technology, have Cawl graft it into Alpha Primus and then do the transfer on him ? He is not a clone, is almost a primarch and is a powerful psycher. By incorporating the same technology as wraith constructs and the infinity circuits, it would be able to contain a highly intelligent and psychically potent individual.
i want to see a story where a plutonian and a horusian try to get the other outed and being declared a traitor by the inquisition
There is a quote from the first horusian wars book by one of the horusian villians that goes along the lines of: ”Sooner or later an inquisitor who has lived long enough realizes that it is not the duty of the inquisition to save the Imperium. The duty of the inquisition is to save humanity.”
Thought that really encapulated the horusians well.
Arch's salt for Cawl will never not be amusing.
Ah the storyline “Horusian Wars” that I almost dropped before reading the first novel. Luckily I had “books per year” goals back then so I finished at least that one but then never continued on with it.
I am of two theories....
Theory 1) mug the eldar library and find out how they made gods and just copy that method and try stamping it onto Big E.
Theory 2) The Warp Squirrel has a shard of the C'Tan on him that is whispering the answers needed to make half his stuff work.
Why does it whisper secrets?
Because quite frankly Chaos is worse than everyone else and if it wants to be free or make bigger plans in the future it needs the big four pains in the rear gone.
People better pray that they don't resurrect the Emperor any time soon, because if they do in this political climate, he'll be a woman when he comes back and you know the slew of changes that would come after that.
Dystopia to Utopia in a few decades.
Who could have known the solution to 40k was a strict regime of death by PowerPoint "seminars".
The Imperial Herald did this.
Arch is such *XANTHITE* inquisitor that he frightens me at times.
I mean, his idol and spirit animal have to be Gregor Eisenhorn. Like his idol, Arch is a true Son of the Imperium but WOW!
He is so willing to explore ANY option, except for dealing with filthy xenos, to win and advance humanity and the Imperium.
Even to the point that he is willing to explore the possible benefits of resurrecting the greatest champion of Arch-Enemy to be a vessel of the God-Emperor save humanity and the Imperium.
Just wow! SMH! 😂😂🤣🤣
10:20 Moiraine?
How come every Moiraine I know of dabble with rebirth and the fate of a Galaxy - nay, _the Universe_ - in some shady manner?
Okay, true, now I know of two. But then it still happened twice.
.... they must be a good lay though. Sounds like crazy bitches.
No, Moriana. Clean your ears with something else than soup.
@@pswaw click the timestamp
Haven't watched the video yet but just by the title, sounds like heresy with extra steps
Arch, I can believe you forgot this part, The Gene labs under the Imperial Palace, where every primarch template is located, including Horus and Vulcan's templates are stored 🤔😉
Hitlerite sounds like a power up 😂
or the super bs metal powering the evil empires flagship
Or some power source/metal.
@@marley7868Produced like Corium, by the molten radioactive slag of a nuclear reactor meltdown, except that the nuclear reactor core was made entirely of Jewish teeth
Hitlerite sounds like some kinda Wolfenstein universe supermetal. Maybe it makes plating for spaceships, or dimension hopping panzers, or bullets that home in on Yiddish.
Why not go the daemon engine route?
Have the Emperor possess a machine, instead of fallible feeble flesh.
He already kinda is. His soul is as intertwined with The Golden Throne & really all of Terra as his body is.
Sweet Emperor now we have to worry about some Inquisitor trying to create a living Saint out of battleship. This is going to go Event Horizon faster than you can say "oops"
That sounds like something the mechanicus would do
Could the Emperor be remade entirely of out cyber-dongs?
I have always wondered, is the reason for clones always failing Tzinch? As the chaos god of change, it seems like cloned life (perfect copies with no variation) would be especially offensive to his senses. Then why would he do it to the Lamenters you ask?
Because he took their name as a personal challenge. And also funny
The faction of the Inquisition that got whipped so hard, they want to experience round two.
If the Emperor is a super duper perpetual, then just let him die already, and then everyone holds their breath and counts to 100.
Maybe if GW pulled something out of thin air like Erda
You got me started on warhammer much respect much love.
Worldbreaker broke when abbadon used the talon of horus on it, it didn't shatter randomly, and his defeat is mostly due to him being nostalgic when he recognized abbadon, his favored son. Not some bad luck...
well actually i guess getting killed by a son whom you thought would welcome you with open arms is pretty unlucky.
I'm surprised they haven't at least tried using a living saint for a vessel since well their powers can be quite beyond any normal physcier or even primarcs sometimes
That's something the Thorians, their Puritan counterparts, would attempt.
Wow, at least we aren't those guys- A Lamanter before going to some place called Bedab
Moriana Mouhausen and Horus is the dictionary definition of the phrase "I can change him"
I almost feel like Inquisitors end up as Horusians when they have gotten really tired and run out of any other ideas how to improve the Imperium. Just "Urgh, sure... Let's clone Horus. Nothing else has worked, let's just try..."
I love this, thank you for making these videos .
they Always brighten my day.
2:09 - Oh God. It was a literal 'woman moment'.
Jokes on them- he's trapped in nonspace alongside malal and the other things geedubs wrote out of existance.
Why would you go horus instead of sanguinius. Even if the emperor can't inhabit the body you still get sanguinius reborn which is pretty good.
Do you want Emperor Lamenter?
I think a good story would be to clone Horus with saved memory of long before his treason, before being corrupted by the chaos gods. When betraying the Empreror was just an idea in his mind. And then he discover with horror all the cataclysmic consequences of his actions. He would be hunted down by the emperium. With why not a redemption arc.
It all makes sense now, that drokari that infiltrated the imperial palace wasnt an assassin at all, he was an agent of a... organization thing to get the emperors DNA straight from the source.
Now weather there would be a shadow war between multiple factions that would spill into out rite crusades, civil wars, rebellion, revolution, a black crusade, false primark allegations, revival of book series (who wrote this?) , ect. Is way beyond my paygrade.
Can't do shit to the Emperor unless He wills it. Dude's literally a Perpetual, got layers upon layers of plot armor forged by such a Higher power that it eclipses the Chaos Gods and the Emperor combined by an order of magnitude.
Emperor Prime, "Liberty is Non Negotiable. Democracy Delenda Est. Weapons... Hot..."
Golden Lion Throne meets Liberty Prime.... well it'd be cool, and that counts for something right?
They want to resurrect Horus!?
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with that?!
Cawl would have to secretly be A.I.
Don’t tempt GW we all know they would if they felt like it
YES! I've been waiting for this since you mentioned them! Worth being a day late Arch lol
Im high af ,bad night flashback wise so took my strong stuff and im finding this hilarious how Arch is trying to work his way through this, like in the old testiment,,,so and so begot so and so who begot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
As a Son of Horus I see this as an absolute win!
We know damn well Horus is coming back.
Because 💰 MONEY💰
You always manage to crack me up and educate me on 40K, 30K, etc.. Your entertaining, I think you would make a great educator if you could manage the cesspit the worlds schools are.. But keeps ups with the greater good.. No worries I won't tell anyone.. 😼🙀👍
Great vid! I didn't think I'd care that much about the topic but it's so deep I devoured all 35 mins of it lol
Imperator Prime-class Titan is now my new head canon.
Arch, start thinking about using podcasts format for streaming your lore videos! It would he awesome! Besr regards from Portugal 😊
I think if you had to choose between a trial and a bolt pistol when it comes to the Imperial Inquisition, the bolt pistol is infinitely preferable. Quick death with no tortured confession sounds so pleasant.
I had no idea about this piece of lore. Really interesting.
I feel Arch's pain near the end there.
The retconning of decades of established lore just so GW can bilk their fanbase out of a few more dollars is just another, in a long list of reasons, why GW deserves to go bankrupt and lose control of the Warhammer franchise to someone who will regard it as something worth preserving and updating without destroying its core.
Of course, as there are no merciful deities in either this universe or the Warhammer one, that particular miracle will never happen.
I think you mean GW. 👀
@@thetruth45678 What? The name of the company is not Creative Workshop? Is it Games Assembly?
The only ways I can think of too resurrect horus is have a piece of his soul trapped inside the star child seed, or have a piece of horus soul trapped inside the warp when he was in there in his coma state and find a way to draw it out.
I saw Horusian and I was immediately reminded of the word Astartesian from the last few books. I swear to god they couldn't go 3 sentenced without mentioning that word.
What books?
@@silent_stalker3687 end and the death 1 and 2
Reviving Horus could fulfill another prophecy of him destroying the Chaos Gods.
Baby emperor is the option. Cleaning the emperors poopy diapers for about a year is the least bad option.
Very interesting video Arch. I always enjoy these looks into more obsure 40k lore.
HH is done, finished End and the Death vol III. Very conflicted about Horus and cant wait for a 2 hr Arch deep dive.
I wonder if a Living Saint could possess and or resurrect into the body of a alpha plus psyker, and then use that as a suitable vessel of sorts for the Emperor.
I love the idea of a redeemed Horus. Returning to set right what has gone wrong. The god's broken toy made whole and set against them.
It's not very Grimdark though.
[libationes deis algorithmi]
It’s literally chaos undivided at the cover 😂😂😂
Yes more primarch stuff !
Vulkan! Vulkan could have been perfect
Inquisition: "Are we the bad guys?"
It does make me think that maybe the lamentors have juuuust a bit of the afreil strain in it
Cawl, Erda and Astarte, perfect example of ideas done badly.
Cawl should have just been Fabius bile in disguise
Can you please make more videos on Warhammer? The lore is so deep I feel like I still barely know anything about this universe.
Yeah, on Fenris, they carved runic totems and talismans ward away evil spirits, Horus Lupercal is one of them.
1:41 - Considering how things are now, he might want to stay as he is, leave it for Big Papa Ultrasmurf and Grimdark Bane (e.g. The Lion) to deal with.
8:50 - Which shard of Spiky Tits was that?
10:00 - Bring HIM back?! Are they HIGH?!?
12:34 - As in those who had it even worse than the Lamenters, when it came to bad luck?
14:00 - With or without his arms?
26:25 - Didn't you imply that not even the Orks would use ideas involving what they would call "Me-kill Bay" with their Gargants?
i adore these inquisition vids
the main issue I find with this is doesn't the emperor need to be on the throne to stop chao coming thought and the world blowing up
I genuinely think GW set Cawl up to be the fall guy for anything they want to get away with for the Imperium, and dont want to have to explain.
"Where the fuck did these new Marines come from?"
"Cawl did it."
"Their guns?"
"Cawl."
"Armor?"
"Cawl."
"Gene-seed?"
"Guillaman, actually."
"Oh, really?"
"OF COURSE IT FUCKING WASN'T."
Cloning the body of the emperor.. then do the transfer.
Well someone successfully cloned primarchs
I was wondering why they dont clone the emperors body and since he's so powerful he could go to his new body on his own.
Because The Emperor most likely can't be Cloned. His body has been decaying for 10k years and he's more Soul Stuff than being anymore. Hell his skeleton has most likely completely petrified as well. That's not to mention how The Emperor is likely not fully human(if human at all and not just an old one) he's not something you can just redo or make more of. He's something truly unique in the universe.
But The Primarchs have been Cloned before by Fabius Bile.
Too bad the Hosusians / Thorians didn't ask the primarchs or Grey Knights about this project. Some primarchs would have probably tried to help, like looks like Dorn and Valdor who are trying to revive the Emporer. And the Gray Knights put the most powerful shard of Magnus's soul into a space marine. Between getting a good vessel from a primarch clone and knowing how to do a good soul transfer from the Grey Knights, they would have been set. I guess coordination was never a strength of Imperial agents.
Erda is such a stupid idea.
Ah, Sabbathiel... she was quite a nutter.
The Inquisition: Spends 10,000 years searching in vain for a way to resurrect someone, fight numerous civil wars with itself over how.
The Dark Eldar: Does it in an afternoon with no more effort than sticking on a bandaid.
Xenos stay winning.
Hey one clone didnt die!
That said he was weak to *pokeballs*
"You know how we can beat the anti-christ, by cloning the anti-christ"- Crazy bastard in 40K
12:30 Except Votann, it's ok when they do it
Wouldn't it make more sense to gather the Sensei and have them.... reenact the ritual that may or may not have created Big E in the first place?