I keep saying we need to eliminate waste in our job. I point out specific areas. Now being ignored. Why? Because the wasteful activities are tied to people’s positions. So, eliminating waste to them means, “I lose my job.” So, the organization suffers.
yes! they are in a club, all of them. it's part of the ladder of success. they all do the same thing, dress the same way, say the same thing. just look at the ceo of united airlines!!!!
Glad to finally notice you are on Apple podcast and Spotify, so I can listen while I'm doing research or playing video games, maybe not in that order (lol). I very much can relate to this topic, remembering moments when it was me white-knighting a crisis while my coworkers scattered or froze. Thank you for providing these very affirming messages to the community.
this explains a lot - back when I worked at Wayfair when the pandemic first hit we were SUPER busy, and so were carriers - the boss said we weren't allowed to call fedex or ups to track packages for customers......I was like, that doesn't make sense, so I called both carriers & asked if we were allowed and they said we were so I told my boss that and they got mad at me. So it wasn't the CARRIERS that were disallowing us, it was THE MANAGEMENT telling us not to do our jobs b/c they didn't know what else to tell us......which is just plain fucking STUPID!
I learnedmwhile working in a call center, that it wasn't about service. It was how ,any calls you take. So the people who excelled, just transferred customers to other departments. The worst part is that we were HR, assisting managers at our stores. Thrn why did they want someone with customer service experience. I solved problems, and I got great reviews, and even recognized on the workplace (Facebook for businesses.) Then I was let go. I was a temp employee and the 6 months were up. They wouldn't let me move to data entry for new hires. Half of those people couldn't spell American names. With my data entry skills, I would have rocked it. Then they told the temp agency that I had an attitude. Why lie? The truth is that I cared about the customers. How can you teach managers to use new onboarding software by dismissing them? 🙄
One of my least favourite interview questions is "why should we employ you rather than one of the other candidates?" Honest answer would be, "How do I know? I don't know the other candidates. Isn't that your decision anyway?" I've never been able to put together an acceptable reply to that one. 🤔
Of cause not! Horrible question! I then feel like forced to be mean against others I don't know and who don't do anything to me. Leave me alone with that, it's YOUR job!
After enough interviews, you can make it up. Detail oriented, hard worker, team player. You tell them what they want to hear. Unfortunately, my last real interview, I realized I couldn't keep eye contact while I was thinking. Now I realize I do this with everyone. Never realized it before and that it's not "normal." 🙄
@@TheVOLTAGEVIDEOS Thank you for your advice, I will take it into consideration, but just now it wouldn't feel right. How can I know whether I'm their best option without more information? If I'm expected to just assume that I am, isn't that rather arrogant? What am I being tested for anyway, my capacity for spontaneous bluster? Is that a good thing? (Sorry to go off on a rant, no offence intended to you at all, but it's just that, as must be obvious, I don't understand their reasoning.)
@traceyalex1722 I totally get it. That is an awful question to ask. It probably didn't hurt that I went to business school . They taught us a lot about getting a job. I don't like open ended questions. Also knowing what they aren't allowed to ask, I would tell them things that they would love to ask about. Also things like organization is good. Now I am wondering about that because I am organized, yet disorganized. 🤔 I know I am ADHD, but maybe ASD as well, so.. you should see my office. It often looks like a mess 🤣
Really really fascinating... i have been all those things. I got into a pattern of struggling with the team and sensory overload. I'd get the job but had 3 or 4 jobs in a row where I was so worried about everything that I repeatedly failed the probation period. Now I've been in the same work for 5 years. I am incredibly thorough and person centered and I will notice and report any difficulties. I see safeguarding before it happens and often hear that the thing I'd said would happen does. Sometimes I think I should be a doctor or nurse, as my diagnoses of people turn out right. My workplace love that I am thorough and give me breaks after shifts and driving. I am a professional carer in the community and work for an organisation. It is structured and they know, understand and support my needs. I'm so thankful.
I feel you, I used to work fast food and when I would point out potential issues with things that they were wanting to implement/change I would get told off that I was being negative. I had one supervisor pull me aside and say that it would be nice if I could come up with solutions instead of just bringing up issues. You would have thought that they would appreciate knowing the pitfalls before they started the change but nope it would appear not.
One thing I've found really difficult when coming into a new workplace is that there is often a practice or an assumption that is the exact opposite to what it is in other workplaces. For example, let's say that you are serving customers in a shop and the shop closes at 5 pm. Then you don't start to pack up and get ready to leave until _after_ 5 PM. In my present job they manage to make leaving at the end of the day quite as stressful as getting in by saying that you've got to be out of the door virtually the minute after you stop answering queries or processing customer demands or whatever. Or I was in one job where we were only authorised to pay bills if we received an original hard copy invoice. If someone faxed (it was a while ago) the invoice through, that didn't count. You just saved the faxed invoice with the rest of the paperwork for that supplier. Then the next job I went to was the exact opposite, so I was happily stashing faxes with the rest of the order, under the assumption that they would send us a hard copy invoice. They weren't happy with me for doing that.
Meetings, yeah....makes me sleepy to think of....mostly enjoyed them as a perfect time to zone out, like nap time😂 The thing is, if I took them serious and started thinking about what was talked about, I had questions. And that was "disturbing". So I ended up completly frustrated and not wanting to do it that way. So better just zone out.
The 1990 office meet. People sitting in a circle, not sharing their authentic thoughts. Me... rolling my eyes, trying to restraining my mouth from having verbal diarrhea. 😂😤
Okay, now I get the phrase "bystander effect". Indeed that caused me A LOT of problems☹ At jobs, in daily life, earlier at school and where I heard it (in german language) first: at whitnessing crime/violence or accidents. I am always "the idiot" that cannot ignore and steps in (or does first aid) and afterwards gets often problems. And is then told "don't be so naiv, it's your own fault" Hä🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️? Then it's normal to say something is wrong but wrong to then ACT? Late in life diagnosed I don't feel different now, but at least I now better understand the unlogic. And still hate it!
Thankyou mate - I really love having seen you become more and more succesful, as a bloke around my age, and as honest as I feel. Im tired, angry, dispondent and have still not gotten to "initial crisis". I just got my functional assesment report today. Maybe its the start of turning around - that said, im less than broke - and Ive lost everything. Keep doing what your doing! I love it. I love the following youve gained, and I love seening how "real" you are - you have absolutely know "superficial presentation", even with your training. I reckon it put some people off from what I saw in the beggining - I LOVE that you have steamrolled this! As a 49 year old, from NSW, but in Perth - whith kids 12 and 9, having lost my job, not worked for 6 months, having lost them for 3 months, having lost my home and over $100k - I get a validation from you that I simply do not get (as much), from so many others around this topic. I bloody well with that advocacy was a responsabiilty of psychiatry. I had to attack as wrong, four fitness for work assesments - used to dismiss me despite me telling them that they were violating the discrimination act, - me saying I knew more than psychiatrists, was used against me - even though the bloke who wrote the adhd guidlines, assesed me - told me he say I was possibly autistic (and I am on record at adhd inquiry in perth stating, on the same week he assesed me, that I was diagnosed informerly as autistic bya a cptsd therapist) - and he still saw no problem recomendingt I be terminated based on autistic burnout - not even part of the medical system as a valid "cluster of symptoms/condition" yet. If you cant get experts on your side - what hope do you have!
super interesting! yeah serious, how are these bad qualities? haha I love that your a Shadows fan, very apt example effff yep the bystanders standby and gawk while the autistic guy with a strong sense of justice steps in to a volatile situation. been me too many times, unknowingly
Hey, really enjoyed this podcast. In addition to all the employment difficulties I experience as a neurodivergent adult, I also have the constraints of being a caregiver to my severely autistic son. I can only work when he is in school and employers don't want to offer flexibility. I am trying to start an online art teaching/coach business but it is turning out to be practically impossible for me. I tried working with an art business coach but clearly I said something wrong during an online conversation (story of my life) and she because extremely frustrated/angry about it and was extremely rude to me and I had no idea what had happened and become upset. Now I'm thinking that I should only try to teach/coach other neurodivergent people, although that could be a complete nightmare I guess. I am so disillusioned.
Strange, I’m autistic but find I’m often a bystander when it comes to workplace issues. I don’t tolerate injustice and I’m not a “pathetic coward” (as you so eloquently put it), I’m just very anxious, despise potential conflict and fear being reprimanded for not having the “common sense” to fix it myself and having the responsibility pushed on me (when 9/10 I probably won’t be able to). That doesn’t make me lazy, either. I just have difficulty when it comes to using my initiative and carrying out some tasks.
I am sorry to disturb, but I went back to your comment twice and don't get it (language). Whats hashtag toofar? I wanted too read all other comments and normally then I give them a like, but if I don't understand not because it could be something I don't agree with or dislike. But there is a like of Orion and there are friendly smileys...🤔 And then I saw there are no likes under Your comment and that makes me feel bad as it could be others also don't understand and now it is maybe unfair... As I think here I am not the only person who spirals about things like that I thaught lets write it down. And ask.
@@flyygurl18 and do you remember which moment? I never used Twitter but I learned a hashtag is something like an actual topic a lot of people discuss about, right?
That is not how the criminal justice system works where I am… they literally have it down that “ignorance of a law is not an excuse” to break a law. It’s not necessarily fair but that’s how it works.
This sounds very like me, I jump in to solve a problem that I see only to be told that I wasn't right to do so.
I keep saying we need to eliminate waste in our job. I point out specific areas. Now being ignored. Why? Because the wasteful activities are tied to people’s positions. So, eliminating waste to them means, “I lose my job.” So, the organization suffers.
I enjoyed the thoroughly, Orion, thanks so very much 🙏🙏💕
the politics of employers, its practically a cult in some cases.
yes! they are in a club, all of them. it's
part of the ladder of success. they all do the same thing, dress the same way, say the same thing. just look at the ceo of united airlines!!!!
Glad to finally notice you are on Apple podcast and Spotify, so I can listen while I'm doing research or playing video games, maybe not in that order (lol). I very much can relate to this topic, remembering moments when it was me white-knighting a crisis while my coworkers scattered or froze. Thank you for providing these very affirming messages to the community.
Employers don't want honesty.
now, there's the truth!!
this explains a lot - back when I worked at Wayfair when the pandemic first hit we were SUPER busy, and so were carriers - the boss said we weren't allowed to call fedex or ups to track packages for customers......I was like, that doesn't make sense, so I called both carriers & asked if we were allowed and they said we were so I told my boss that and they got mad at me. So it wasn't the CARRIERS that were disallowing us, it was THE MANAGEMENT telling us not to do our jobs b/c they didn't know what else to tell us......which is just plain fucking STUPID!
I learnedmwhile working in a call center, that it wasn't about service. It was how ,any calls you take. So the people who excelled, just transferred customers to other departments. The worst part is that we were HR, assisting managers at our stores. Thrn why did they want someone with customer service experience. I solved problems, and I got great reviews, and even recognized on the workplace (Facebook for businesses.) Then I was let go. I was a temp employee and the 6 months were up. They wouldn't let me move to data entry for new hires. Half of those people couldn't spell American names. With my data entry skills, I would have rocked it. Then they told the temp agency that I had an attitude. Why lie? The truth is that I cared about the customers. How can you teach managers to use new onboarding software by dismissing them? 🙄
One of my least favourite interview questions is "why should we employ you rather than one of the other candidates?" Honest answer would be, "How do I know? I don't know the other candidates. Isn't that your decision anyway?" I've never been able to put together an acceptable reply to that one. 🤔
Of cause not! Horrible question! I then feel like forced to be mean against others I don't know and who don't do anything to me.
Leave me alone with that, it's YOUR job!
After enough interviews, you can make it up. Detail oriented, hard worker, team player. You tell them what they want to hear. Unfortunately, my last real interview, I realized I couldn't keep eye contact while I was thinking. Now I realize I do this with everyone. Never realized it before and that it's not "normal." 🙄
@@katzenbekloppt_mf Yes, that's it.
@@TheVOLTAGEVIDEOS Thank you for your advice, I will take it into consideration, but just now it wouldn't feel right. How can I know whether I'm their best option without more information? If I'm expected to just assume that I am, isn't that rather arrogant? What am I being tested for anyway, my capacity for spontaneous bluster? Is that a good thing? (Sorry to go off on a rant, no offence intended to you at all, but it's just that, as must be obvious, I don't understand their reasoning.)
@traceyalex1722 I totally get it. That is an awful question to ask. It probably didn't hurt that I went to business school . They taught us a lot about getting a job. I don't like open ended questions. Also knowing what they aren't allowed to ask, I would tell them things that they would love to ask about. Also things like organization is good. Now I am wondering about that because I am organized, yet disorganized. 🤔 I know I am ADHD, but maybe ASD as well, so.. you should see my office. It often looks like a mess 🤣
Really really fascinating... i have been all those things. I got into a pattern of struggling with the team and sensory overload. I'd get the job but had 3 or 4 jobs in a row where I was so worried about everything that I repeatedly failed the probation period.
Now I've been in the same work for 5 years. I am incredibly thorough and person centered and I will notice and report any difficulties. I see safeguarding before it happens and often hear that the thing I'd said would happen does. Sometimes I think I should be a doctor or nurse, as my diagnoses of people turn out right. My workplace love that I am thorough and give me breaks after shifts and driving. I am a professional carer in the community and work for an organisation. It is structured and they know, understand and support my needs. I'm so thankful.
I feel you, I used to work fast food and when I would point out potential issues with things that they were wanting to implement/change I would get told off that I was being negative. I had one supervisor pull me aside and say that it would be nice if I could come up with solutions instead of just bringing up issues. You would have thought that they would appreciate knowing the pitfalls before they started the change but nope it would appear not.
It's like you know me why does everything have to be so hard
Death care and the providers of the required education are particularly understanding of autism.
It was fascinating. And also yes, freaking love your Knight Rider Shirt!!
One thing I've found really difficult when coming into a new workplace is that there is often a practice or an assumption that is the exact opposite to what it is in other workplaces.
For example, let's say that you are serving customers in a shop and the shop closes at 5 pm. Then you don't start to pack up and get ready to leave until _after_ 5 PM. In my present job they manage to make leaving at the end of the day quite as stressful as getting in by saying that you've got to be out of the door virtually the minute after you stop answering queries or processing customer demands or whatever.
Or I was in one job where we were only authorised to pay bills if we received an original hard copy invoice. If someone faxed (it was a while ago) the invoice through, that didn't count. You just saved the faxed invoice with the rest of the paperwork for that supplier. Then the next job I went to was the exact opposite, so I was happily stashing faxes with the rest of the order, under the assumption that they would send us a hard copy invoice. They weren't happy with me for doing that.
The empathy deficit grunt. 😂
my unpopular opinion: meetings are entertainment for management who strives to make idiots of their underlings.
I fucking hate meetings, I just want to do my job, I lost my jobs countless, I do not want to partake also in year end functions.
Meetings, yeah....makes me sleepy to think of....mostly enjoyed them as a perfect time to zone out, like nap time😂
The thing is, if I took them serious and started thinking about what was talked about, I had questions.
And that was "disturbing". So I ended up completly frustrated and not wanting to do it that way.
So better just zone out.
yes, no one wants to hear any questions...
The 1990 office meet. People sitting in a circle, not sharing their authentic thoughts. Me... rolling my eyes, trying to restraining my mouth from having verbal diarrhea. 😂😤
@29:40 - hahahaha needed to hear that this morning. Thank you Orion XD so real for that
Okay, now I get the phrase "bystander effect". Indeed that caused me A LOT of problems☹
At jobs, in daily life, earlier at school and where I heard it (in german language) first: at whitnessing crime/violence or accidents.
I am always "the idiot" that cannot ignore and steps in (or does first aid) and afterwards gets often problems. And is then told "don't be so naiv, it's your own fault"
Hä🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️?
Then it's normal to say something is wrong but wrong to then ACT?
Late in life diagnosed I don't feel different now, but at least I now better understand the unlogic.
And still hate it!
Thankyou mate - I really love having seen you become more and more succesful, as a bloke around my age, and as honest as I feel. Im tired, angry, dispondent and have still not gotten to "initial crisis". I just got my functional assesment report today. Maybe its the start of turning around - that said, im less than broke - and Ive lost everything. Keep doing what your doing! I love it. I love the following youve gained, and I love seening how "real" you are - you have absolutely know "superficial presentation", even with your training. I reckon it put some people off from what I saw in the beggining - I LOVE that you have steamrolled this! As a 49 year old, from NSW, but in Perth - whith kids 12 and 9, having lost my job, not worked for 6 months, having lost them for 3 months, having lost my home and over $100k - I get a validation from you that I simply do not get (as much), from so many others around this topic. I bloody well with that advocacy was a responsabiilty of psychiatry. I had to attack as wrong, four fitness for work assesments - used to dismiss me despite me telling them that they were violating the discrimination act, - me saying I knew more than psychiatrists, was used against me - even though the bloke who wrote the adhd guidlines, assesed me - told me he say I was possibly autistic (and I am on record at adhd inquiry in perth stating, on the same week he assesed me, that I was diagnosed informerly as autistic bya a cptsd therapist) - and he still saw no problem recomendingt I be terminated based on autistic burnout - not even part of the medical system as a valid "cluster of symptoms/condition" yet. If you cant get experts on your side - what hope do you have!
super interesting! yeah serious, how are these bad qualities? haha I love that your a Shadows fan, very apt example
effff yep the bystanders standby and gawk while the autistic guy with a strong sense of justice steps in to a volatile situation. been me too many times, unknowingly
2:06 special episodes means " were going to discuss icky topics"
Hey, really enjoyed this podcast. In addition to all the employment difficulties I experience as a neurodivergent adult, I also have the constraints of being a caregiver to my severely autistic son. I can only work when he is in school and employers don't want to offer flexibility. I am trying to start an online art teaching/coach business but it is turning out to be practically impossible for me. I tried working with an art business coach but clearly I said something wrong during an online conversation (story of my life) and she because extremely frustrated/angry about it and was extremely rude to me and I had no idea what had happened and become upset. Now I'm thinking that I should only try to teach/coach other neurodivergent people, although that could be a complete nightmare I guess. I am so disillusioned.
Great research as always dude! 😁👍
At a job interview: I identify as a 'Business thing'
Strange, I’m autistic but find I’m often a bystander when it comes to workplace issues. I don’t tolerate injustice and I’m not a “pathetic coward” (as you so eloquently put it), I’m just very anxious, despise potential conflict and fear being reprimanded for not having the “common sense” to fix it myself and having the responsibility pushed on me (when 9/10 I probably won’t be able to).
That doesn’t make me lazy, either. I just have difficulty when it comes to using my initiative and carrying out some tasks.
cool shirt!
That #toofar moment got me man 😂🤣🤣
I am sorry to disturb, but I went back to your comment twice and don't get it (language). Whats hashtag toofar?
I wanted too read all other comments and normally then I give them a like, but if I don't understand not because it could be something I don't agree with or dislike.
But there is a like of Orion and there are friendly smileys...🤔
And then I saw there are no likes under Your comment and that makes me feel bad as it could be others also don't understand and now it is maybe unfair...
As I think here I am not the only person who spirals about things like that I thaught lets write it down. And ask.
@@katzenbekloppt_mf it’s a reference to a point in the video when he made a joke 🥰
@@flyygurl18 and do you remember which moment?
I never used Twitter but I learned a hashtag is something like an actual topic a lot of people discuss about, right?
Loved this episode! 💘 Tysm, Orion!!
That is not how the criminal justice system works where I am… they literally have it down that “ignorance of a law is not an excuse” to break a law. It’s not necessarily fair but that’s how it works.
you are KITTed out
INTP Dasha sent me here. Any other INTPs here??
😊
If you dont pass the second interview stop saying autism is great autism is not a disabillity. The double empathy problem is not even real.
Refund please
Get stuffed!