You definately should give his one take of To the Hellfire a shot! Will Ramos sounds even better when not overproduced and with too many layers on it! I don't like this song in the original version tbh., BUT his one take blew my mind completely! There I was SHOOKETH ^^
The best part about Will Ramos is he can do these screams perfectly live. His one takes as many others have mentioned is probably the best representation of how good he is. The mixing in the one takes also has his vocals in the foreground instead of blended so you can make out the details better.
The scary thing is most of the stuff is *not* about layers or effect pedals. His one take vocal performance of this song is breathtaking exactly for that reason - he just jumps all over the map of distorted vocals like it was Sunday picnic in a park.
Yep. The layering and pedalling are just to add some depth to the sound in the studio, but when all is said and done, a human still had to make these noises. And he does.
I just saw Lorna Shore live last week and I can confirm that Will Ramos is a demon-alien hybrid. He doesn't sound appreciably different on stage than he does in the studio recordings, aside from some of the multi-tracking being missing. He tended to go towards the highs/mids rather than the lows. I have to wonder though if that was due to him being more comfortable there or if it was to make sure that his melody could cut through the wall of sound from the rest of the band. In any case, there's no denying that dude's talents. Also, their breakdowns were so intense that I could feel them rumbling my innards.
Rumbling my Innards is my new metal band 😂 that’s interesting that he went for the highs and mids. The low must be slightly more tricky to maintain perhaps? Thanks for watching my dude 🥰
I think with guitars and bass tuned down to the point your using steel tow cables as strings to maintain tension... Low growls tend to vanish in the mix. Especially live where you can't completely control the frequencies of each instrument @@SoulSingerDiscovers
There is a video called 'OPERATION: "Throat Camera". Will Ramos of Lorna Shore scoped while he performs harsh vocals!' That is a must watch. It explains and shows the throat and mouth shapes he uses.
The Charismatic Voice actually had scientists put camera down his throat, because no one, not even him, could tell exactly *how* he can produce all those sounds and styles with just one set of vocal tracts. They ended up calling him a unicorn, because this far they've never seen anyone command they throat tissues like that. Because there's very little data this far no one knows if he just has very unique physique or if larger amount of people could do the same with proper practice. Fascinating!
For me this kind of music can both pump me up and calm me down. It depends on what mood I’m in. If I’m stressed or angry it can give me an outlet for those feelings and help me relax, but if I’m feeling down it can hype me up again. Or I can just put it on and vibe if I’m in a happier mood. It’s good for pretty much all situations really. And yes, it is definitely an acquired taste. But it’s so worth putting the time in to adjust to it!
I am enrolled in the workshop collaboration between Will Ramos, Elisabeth Zharoff (Charismatic voice) and Chris Liepe and it is is just so much fun. So well produced and the exercises at times are ridiculous but because we have Will and Elisabeth and Chris being just as ridiculous and having so much fun with it, it's easy to allow yourself to do the same. I'm looking forward to the next round of Zoom calls with Will! Oh, I suggested Will doing the one take of the cover of Chokehold by Sleep Token in the livestream that you did :) Also the more brutal and melancholic the metal, the more I relate to it and the better I feel but I find that is true of a lot neurodivergent people and a lot of people who deal with mental health crap. Some of us have been in extremely dark places, darker than the metal could ever be and it was the metal that offered us a barrier against the real darkness weighing on us.
I've been debating enrolling into that collab myself!!! I have been working on harsh vocals for nearly a decade and it only feels appropriate to try and really REALLY improve.... what have your overall thoughts been on your progress so far, or are you very new to it still?
Yess! I totally subscribe to your statement! When others use white noise, grey noise or other "sound colours" to fall asleep, i can use metalcore, deathcore or hardcore punk instead! No lie! 🤭😉
@@DeeDee-eb6feI used to do this too. Didn't matter if Slipknot, Suicide Silence, Khublai Khan, Lorna Shore or else. It was calming. I stopped but not because of the music but rather because I learned to be alone with my thoughts.
Metal music makes me feel like I'm not alone in the dark. There are many other people going through the same things and dealing with those things in their own way along with me. It's a dark and beautiful community that is there to lift each other up.
Thanks Melisa for getting to Lorna Shore. You reacted to them exactly like I thought you would, slughtly shocked, amused, and an appreciation of the talent expressed in the song and the genre itself. And no bullshit. I really can't add anything that the other comments have already said about the band and/or the song itself except my mindset regarding metal. I've been a fan of heavy metal since it's inception in the early seventies. (Yes, the fathers of metal are Black Sabbath, dont get me started with people's arguments to the contrary) I listen to metal regardless of the mood I'm in. The music really doesn't pump me up a lot nor does it depress me either. I guess I'm trying to say is that it just helps me get through my day. I have thoroughly enjoyed the evolution of the genre and eager to explore where the music goes next!
The one take of this as many others already mentioned is absolutely over the top performance. He sounds absolutely mindblowing and the fact that he is capable to articulate the harsh vocals is beyond this world… also there is a video with the charismatic voice where they put a camera down his throat and that dear lady is pure enjoyment
Definitely an acquired taste. As mentioned by others, the Charismatic Voice scoped his vocal cords to see what was happening while he used harsh vocals.
I find Lorna shore EXTREMELY calming. This is the sound in my brain all the time. So to give it a voice and a place. It's like someone else carries the weight for a while. its cathartic.
This is what I listen to when I'm at my lowest or most frustrated. For me it acts as a conduit, allowing me to truly access those feelings and emotions, exacerbating them for a while, but also allowing them to be released, which leads to calm and serenity. Lorna is also AMAZING live, have managed to see them twice now.
This is the song that got me into Lorna Shore. I grew up with the old heavy metal classics, but kind of fell out of love with the genre for most of the 2000s. In 2019, I got curious again, and dove in deep. Went black metal, doom metal, and when i could finally understand a Cannibal Corpse song and lyrics, I was unleashed lol. Then i was introduced to Jinjer and Trivium and love them. All that metal led me to Lorna from youtube music's handy dandy algorithm. And now I've found your channel too 😂 Great reaction, looking forward to watching you explore more!
My brain is constantly chaos and when I listen to something like Lorna or IA it actually calms me down. I call it my happy music because it allows me to relax
New to the channel, and the eerie and melancholic metal is definitely uplifting for me, because it's very relatable. And most times helps me get out of my little funks where I feel a bit down.
Most cathartic piece of music I have heard, fantastic! And you are spot on about needing time for the ears to adjust to new and complex music, this is why for instance Epica has less mass appeal then Nightwish and Nightwish less then mainstream pop.
This comment is *chefs kiss* yeah I guess I get the catharsis of it if I were mad or something. Certainly the complexity is its own little hurdle but I feel I’m getting there 😊💪
:D i like your shooketh! facial expressions But Hurrah !! You did the badest track, why is ? because every song they put online after this, is getting better then the one before ... more musical, better voice, heavyly more use of choirs and orchestral backings really interesting mix they put out can you imagine, that this band, with this music, can make you emotional ? so really like i need to cry now ? i didn´t until they put out the "Pain Remains" trilogy (3 videos / 3 parted musictrack) even today it brings me to emotions btw, i was one of the suggesting ones, in my case in a early Nightwish reaction ;)
Lorna Shore for me is more relaxing, but that's mostly because they're a bit more "friendly" to listen to. Otherwise, Death Metal/Core usually amps me up. If I'm angry, it calms me. Fills the brain with enough music to drown out the other racket that's always going off in my head. Hopefully you make a video of Wills one take live performance of this song!
You should give more of their songs a try. To The Hellfire blew up because it was the band's first EP with Will Ramos (the vocalist) but they have many amazing songs with him, and I personally fell in love with them at first because of the choirs in their songs. Of The Abyss is a great example :) Edit: something to note - Will's enunciations while screaming is amazing, compared to other vocalists
I gotta tell you, Special K, that look of 'what the fuck,' at the beginning, was priceless. As for being able to 'execute' said vocal style, don't be too hard on yourself: starving bears fighting for food couldn't produce such sounds! A great review!
So I’m new to your channel (loving what I see and hear lol) but when you showing the higher scream it sounded like a whistle which reminded me of the whistle scream or siren scream as some call it and that was beautiful lol 😂
I’ve seen Lorna Shore twice, along with Mastodon and Gojira, in the last 4 months. I went from shocked and not sure if I was interested in Lorna Shore to a huge fan after hearing them live. My brain can’t really comprehend what Will is doing with his voice. He nails it live. Gojira though….probably the best live shows of my life.
Out of the three, Lorna Shore is my favorite band, but no doubt that Gojira was the top live act of that tour. They are just fantastic at what they do,.
I’ve become a huge fan of Lorna Shore recently. Will is a beast of a vocalist. His Sleep Token covers are really good, and I’ve had the Pain Remains album on loop for weeks now. It’s a great way for me to release a lot of stress, and just decompress from the stresses that life throws at me. Metal in general has always been my go-to. I’ve been a metal head for almost 40 years now, and as long as metal artists keep putting out masterful music like this, I’ll continue to be a metal head. Also, as others have said, checking out the one-take performances is highly recommended. As a fellow vocalist, it’s a great way to really hear what he does, unfiltered.
Did not expect the more than decent knowledge on harsh vocals. A job well done. To answer your question about emotions: To The Hellfire gets me pumped, bur songs like the Pain Remains trilogy actually make me feel very introspective and sad to a certain extent, but in a good way. To me, songs like those feel like katharsis.
Great reaction. You should give Will Ramos (the singer) one take vocal performance of this a listen. I also recommend Wills cover of Chokehold. Plus there's a video called Operation throat camera on the channel of the charismatic voice in which scientists put a camera down Wills throat to see what's going on during those harsh vocals. The video is very long, but most is about Elizabeth getting to know Will, the actual part in the voice lab is short enough for a reaction. Greetings from Germany
Listening to the scary and heavy stuff is exciting, calming, and relaxing. I've worked out while listening to it and also fallen asleep listening to it lol
The grossest of metal music for me is very relieving to hear something that relates to my emotions that I have a hard time expressing, I’m a very gentle soft person but I get absolutely captivated by this shit feeling very at home
Hey, i just stumbled upon this reaction and it's cool that you're a fellow Scottish person 🏴 just thought I'd let you know that if you want to hear them live they're playing in the barrowlands on the 3rd of December, you have no idea how hyped for that gig i am 😂
Nice review!!!! Definitely can do these noises live, hes a monster! The one takes attest to this, give them a go, also, if you want to hear him clean singing, try his cover of Sleep Tokens 'Hypnosis', wooooo lawd ❤
You're edited scenes were hilarious 😁 if you wanna see melancholy, check out Lorna shore : pain remains trilogy. Also if you would like to see one of will's influences, check out infant annihilator : Blasphemian, but don't say i didn't warn you 😉 😆
Plus one on the calming effect. The more extreme the metal the more chilled I get. I actually have meditated to Meshuggah. It really works, especially when watching the video for Clockworks.
I just got to see these guys live this last Friday! Lorna Shore has been my favorite band for years and then Will Ramos came along and made them even sicker! These guys put on an amazing fucking show live.
Definitely listen to the one take of this done by Will, it's really interesting the difference. What he's actually doing with his goblin is he's basically adopting a Smeagol impression and then injecting his fry into it. It's not even really a scream, it's quite something. Learning how to do it myself in a different way made me realise that it's not actually "high" in terms of vocal range, it's an illusion. Like if we are talking about a high belt compared to say a low note, it's actually more mid comparatively. The same way that Andy Serkiss when he does Smeagol voice in lord of the rings isn't actually affecting any high frequency, it's all illusory. It really has to be to be able to sustain it and you don't need a lot of breath pressure to effect it, the way you do something like a high belt.
I like this kind of metal because it's like extreme sports like skateboarding, snowboarding, base jumping, wing suiting, etc. It's just balls to the wall and gotta be at the top of the game to even pull it off.
Generally listening to metal and adjacent music, has a very positive effect on my mood ... except for the band Anathema (who have not been "metal" for a very long time). It's a just how introverted, melancholic, moody and even angry the music can be combined with various associations of memory from the time that I was really into the band. So whenever I listen to them for a length of time, I tend to come away feeling quite self-reflective and melancholy too. Sadly the band broke up inexplicably a couple of years ago.
The Charismatic voice did a video with Will Ramos where she put a camera down his throat while he sang just to get an idea of his folds, going wacka wacka, and how crazy it is the sounds he makes
something you need to know about metal is that all you hear is real, in comparison with others genres like pop, r&b or electronic music, where the sound is overproduce. Metal musicians are capable to play just like the official videos when preforming live, yeah maybe there is a few layers or double tracking on the vocals, but it doesnt mean Will Ramos is faking it or using distortion pedals to do it, its him. Check the one takes he recorded and be amazed with his talent
Heard that "cookie monster" style for decades now but Will Ramos takes it to a whole other level, serious vocalizations, dude takes good care of his voice
I would highly recommend you watch the pain remains series they did. It's far easier for a non deathcore to understand the more beautiful heartfelt aspect of deathcore
oh you absolutely should check out one of his one take videos. Metal is as diverse as any genre of music, one can find music within metal suited for any mindset.
11:19 "please... watch Will Ramos's one take playthroughs of his songs. or just watch a live video of him, I actually prefer his one take playthrough of to the hellfire more than the recorded studio version
Metal does have ties to melancholy folk music, given that Judas Priest covered Joan Baez's Diamonds and Rust (makes sense when you consider they got their name from The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest, off John Wesley Harding). And while their Fleetwood Mac cover is from their blues era, Green Manalishi is definitely one of the more brooding Peter Green tracks.
You should watch the documentary when they study his vocals. Because he can 100% do them with nothing. And they even explain that he has more control of his vocal muscles than most Opera singers. It is its own craft that is often tossed out as easy or nonsense by most who don't understand. Great video! You too have an amazing voice
I saw them live last month here in Belgium and they blew my socks off! They are live so much better and the atmosphere the whole band brings is insane! Without all the layering Will sounds as brutal as this one if not more brutal tbh!
Metal music definitely relaxes me for some reason. I often listen to some black metal before going to sleep, however there are bands out there that pump me up rather than relaxing me, it's usually the breakdowns that pump me up
Any of the one takes he does would be amazing to see you do. Also the pain remains trilogy would give you an insight in to what level of emotion this style of metal can achieve
About how metal music affects my mood: usually it puts me in a better mood and makes me happy. On bad days it also gives me energy to keep going (especially angrier songs are great for period days etc 😅) BUT! It's also soothing. Last winter, someone very close to me died. The first week or two after the funeral, the only music I could listen to were Insomnium, Mustan Kuun Lapset and some Led Zeppelin. Don't know why, but these 3 were the only ones that eased the pain in my chest just a little, and calmed me down. Moonsorrow also has this effect on me. It's "familiar" somehow, very natural - it's like a reminder that you are not alone, other people have similar experiences. ...Don't know if this makes any sense but there you go 🤦♀😅
Check out Charismatic Voice and Will Ramos voice. They put a camera down his throat to look at his vocals while he does this! He is very good when not doing fry screams as well! Check out his cover of Chokehold from Sleep Token!
I've seen them live. YES, he can do it live, too! (Will Ramos - looks like a labradoodle and sings like a werewolf!!) Melisa, check out the 'Pain Remains trilogy' from the latest album of the same name)
Will is very sweet and skilled. Discovering his voice is a particuliar moment in a life ^^ So that, one question if you allow it : will you share here somme of your singing ?
As someone who has been working on doing some harsh vocals, I can attest that it is very much like doing voice acting. You use and manipulate the same parts of your throat and mouth to create some crazy sounds
To answer your question from the beginning: Whenever I listen to Bathory's Twilight of the Gods album 2x in a row, I am googling things like "How can a modern person enter Valhalla, besides dying in battle?" or "Would our world be a better place if the Vikings hadn't been abandoning their North American settlements?" Most of the time I get a bit depressed afterwards, because the answers are negative, indecisive or there are no answers ... I hope this clears things up a bit. Somehow similar to what you experience with Tom Waits. Have a great week, my dear Scottish dudette! Skol!🍻 May Odin give you knowledge on your path. May Thor grant you strength and courage on your way, and may Loki give you laughter as you go. May the blessings of your gods and my own be with you, Melisa.
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Thats super interesting! I dont see myself doing that but I can understand that for people raised with Metal this must be super soothing. Thanks for watching 😊💜
i listen to metal when i need to get out everything i can’t yell out loud for fear of being locked up 😬 it definitely improves my mood. it also really helps my focus and concentration when studying and got me through my bachelor’s degree and nursing school with high honors 😉
As far as metal goes I have just been into it from being a young teenager.....I have just been chasing the metal riff ever since... The power of the riff compells me it also didn't take me long to find extreme stuff ,.....it just is good very rarely listen to other genras, an metal has so many sub genras is it never gets boring to me
I don't have a problem with just listening to every meshuggah album or obituary album in one day just love love the guitar riff in its many forms love when I discover new bands/or guitar tone
Good to see you exploring the more extreme side of metal. Your fans have good taste, having recommended this, Cannibal Corpse and Nevermore early on. You might find the band Archspire interesting, and definitely closer to bee-bop than this is. They're a Canadian technical death metal band and their vocalist combines death metal techniques with techniques from speed rap. The band themselves are all virtuosos and they certainly like to push the limits in terms of execution, especially in terms of speed. It's great to see an honest analysis as a reaction!
@@SoulSingerDiscovers Archspire just released a new video that they funded with a Kickstarter... Great video, but not their best track to showcase the band as a whole... That's the title track from the 2021 album "Bleed the Future." They were asking for $30k CAD to help film it and the Kickstarter broke $80k... So glad that it worked out all right in the end and they made quite the video! Also extremely gory, so demonetization is likely if you react to that one. They have videos for two of the other tracks off that album, "Golden Mouth of Ruin", which they basically recorded on no budget just to release it early as a single, and "Drone Corpse Aviator", which is an amazing video despite it's small budget... But it's also a bit bloody. Some of the band members have friends and family in the film industry, so they like to make crazy music videos... It took about a decade and their third album to actually be able to afford to make them, though! Their earlier stuff is great too, although they have mostly instrumental and even vocal playthroughs of their other tracks. An old favorite of reaction channels pre-2021 was reacting to their lyric videos, such as the lyric video for "Involuntary Doppelganger..." It's definitely a struggle to keep up with that one after many listens, let alone the first one! Hope you find something you enjoy out of it, or, at least it elicits a strong enough emotion to create a good reaction video!
You definately should give his one take of To the Hellfire a shot! Will Ramos sounds even better when not overproduced and with too many layers on it! I don't like this song in the original version tbh., BUT his one take blew my mind completely! There I was SHOOKETH ^^
I agree, no layers on his one take. And listening to it you realize he doesn't need the layers at all. It still sounds insane!
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The best part about Will Ramos is he can do these screams perfectly live. His one takes as many others have mentioned is probably the best representation of how good he is. The mixing in the one takes also has his vocals in the foreground instead of blended so you can make out the details better.
Yeah I’m looking forward to discovering the one takes they sounds amazing 🤩
@@SoulSingerDiscoversyou should check out Wills cover of Slow Dancing In The Dark because his cleans are fucking incredible as well
Please do the one take vocal playthrough of THIS song!!! Hearing all the snorts and things in real time with no layers is just incredible.
I would argue a vocal doubler is layering tho
The scary thing is most of the stuff is *not* about layers or effect pedals. His one take vocal performance of this song is breathtaking exactly for that reason - he just jumps all over the map of distorted vocals like it was Sunday picnic in a park.
Yep. The layering and pedalling are just to add some depth to the sound in the studio, but when all is said and done, a human still had to make these noises. And he does.
THIS. everybody and anybody check out his one take vocal performance. 0.o
I just saw Lorna Shore live last week and I can confirm that Will Ramos is a demon-alien hybrid. He doesn't sound appreciably different on stage than he does in the studio recordings, aside from some of the multi-tracking being missing. He tended to go towards the highs/mids rather than the lows. I have to wonder though if that was due to him being more comfortable there or if it was to make sure that his melody could cut through the wall of sound from the rest of the band. In any case, there's no denying that dude's talents.
Also, their breakdowns were so intense that I could feel them rumbling my innards.
Can confirm, any death metal or deathcore band I've seen live, I can feel that bass vibrating my insides, it's bizarre!
Rumbling my Innards is my new metal band 😂 that’s interesting that he went for the highs and mids. The low must be slightly more tricky to maintain perhaps? Thanks for watching my dude 🥰
I think with guitars and bass tuned down to the point your using steel tow cables as strings to maintain tension... Low growls tend to vanish in the mix. Especially live where you can't completely control the frequencies of each instrument @@SoulSingerDiscovers
@@SoulSingerDiscoversYou should listen to his one take play through of it :)
Beautifully explained. Thank you ♥️
There is a video called 'OPERATION: "Throat Camera". Will Ramos of Lorna Shore scoped while he performs harsh vocals!' That is a must watch. It explains and shows the throat and mouth shapes he uses.
Sure just casually contort your vocal chords into a yin yang symbol of flesh and void. Np.
Will's one take is 100% live... also try Soulless Existence from the Pain Remains album, ofr the trilogy, that's one helluva masterpiece :)
soulless exsistence is my absolute favourite... the melodies get under my skin so hard
my favourite song of all time. hands down.
It really calms me down, the heavier the better. I am old and do not know why, it just makes me happy, for four decades and counting 🤷♀😉
Stumbled across this video and the title alone had me crying🤣 Great reaction!🙂
Glad you enjoyed! :) Thank you for watching my dude 🥰
Subbed for your edits and humor! Also love watching singers from non extreme genres learn about harsh vocals growling etc
Thank you so much my dude! There’s plenty more nonsense where that came from 😆💪
The Charismatic Voice actually had scientists put camera down his throat, because no one, not even him, could tell exactly *how* he can produce all those sounds and styles with just one set of vocal tracts.
They ended up calling him a unicorn, because this far they've never seen anyone command they throat tissues like that.
Because there's very little data this far no one knows if he just has very unique physique or if larger amount of people could do the same with proper practice.
Fascinating!
For me this kind of music can both pump me up and calm me down. It depends on what mood I’m in. If I’m stressed or angry it can give me an outlet for those feelings and help me relax, but if I’m feeling down it can hype me up again. Or I can just put it on and vibe if I’m in a happier mood. It’s good for pretty much all situations really. And yes, it is definitely an acquired taste. But it’s so worth putting the time in to adjust to it!
I am enrolled in the workshop collaboration between Will Ramos, Elisabeth Zharoff (Charismatic voice) and Chris Liepe and it is is just so much fun. So well produced and the exercises at times are ridiculous but because we have Will and Elisabeth and Chris being just as ridiculous and having so much fun with it, it's easy to allow yourself to do the same. I'm looking forward to the next round of Zoom calls with Will!
Oh, I suggested Will doing the one take of the cover of Chokehold by Sleep Token in the livestream that you did :) Also the more brutal and melancholic the metal, the more I relate to it and the better I feel but I find that is true of a lot neurodivergent people and a lot of people who deal with mental health crap. Some of us have been in extremely dark places, darker than the metal could ever be and it was the metal that offered us a barrier against the real darkness weighing on us.
all metal makes me happy
I've been debating enrolling into that collab myself!!! I have been working on harsh vocals for nearly a decade and it only feels appropriate to try and really REALLY improve.... what have your overall thoughts been on your progress so far, or are you very new to it still?
Hell yeah bro!
I've been into metal most of my adult life and I can safely say the heavier the calmer I am. Like I could probably meditate to this kind of stuff.
Yess! I totally subscribe to your statement! When others use white noise, grey noise or other "sound colours" to fall asleep, i can use metalcore, deathcore or hardcore punk instead! No lie! 🤭😉
I fell asleep to Infant Annihilator once .... white noise
@@DeeDee-eb6feI used to do this too. Didn't matter if Slipknot, Suicide Silence, Khublai Khan, Lorna Shore or else. It was calming. I stopped but not because of the music but rather because I learned to be alone with my thoughts.
lorna shore is on my bedtime playlist lol. my cats frickin love them as well 😂
Same bro. I listen to this stuff as a sound track when I sleep. All my metal bangers.
Metal music makes me feel like I'm not alone in the dark. There are many other people going through the same things and dealing with those things in their own way along with me. It's a dark and beautiful community that is there to lift each other up.
What a wonderful sentiment:)
Thanks Melisa for getting to Lorna Shore. You reacted to them exactly like I
thought you would, slughtly shocked, amused, and an appreciation of the talent expressed in the song and the genre itself. And no bullshit.
I really can't add anything that the other comments have already said about the band and/or the song itself except my mindset regarding metal.
I've been a fan of heavy metal since it's inception in the early seventies. (Yes, the fathers of metal are Black Sabbath, dont get me started with people's arguments to the contrary)
I listen to metal regardless of the mood I'm in. The music really doesn't pump me up a lot nor does it depress me either. I guess I'm trying to say is that it just helps me get through my day.
I have thoroughly enjoyed the evolution of the genre and eager to explore where the music goes next!
The one take of this as many others already mentioned is absolutely over the top performance. He sounds absolutely mindblowing and the fact that he is capable to articulate the harsh vocals is beyond this world… also there is a video with the charismatic voice where they put a camera down his throat and that dear lady is pure enjoyment
This style of music helps me relax
Definitely an acquired taste. As mentioned by others, the Charismatic Voice scoped his vocal cords to see what was happening while he used harsh vocals.
Will’s vocals are much more easily appreciated live or doing the one takes. They really show off his voice. He is extremely talented.
I have no doubt! He is something else 😊💪
@@SoulSingerDiscovers Check out some of his interviews. Love the one with him skating. Will is out living the dream and enjoying it all.
I find Lorna shore EXTREMELY calming. This is the sound in my brain all the time. So to give it a voice and a place. It's like someone else carries the weight for a while. its cathartic.
When you have anxiety and your mind is going a million miles a minute, the intensity of metal is great at drowning everything else out.
I'm not the biggest Lorna Shore fan but it's great they're introducing so many people to Deathcore. I'm all for that
I definitely think they are something new and amazing for new listeners that’s for sure 😊
This is what I listen to when I'm at my lowest or most frustrated. For me it acts as a conduit, allowing me to truly access those feelings and emotions, exacerbating them for a while, but also allowing them to be released, which leads to calm and serenity. Lorna is also AMAZING live, have managed to see them twice now.
This is the song that got me into Lorna Shore. I grew up with the old heavy metal classics, but kind of fell out of love with the genre for most of the 2000s. In 2019, I got curious again, and dove in deep. Went black metal, doom metal, and when i could finally understand a Cannibal Corpse song and lyrics, I was unleashed lol. Then i was introduced to Jinjer and Trivium and love them. All that metal led me to Lorna from youtube music's handy dandy algorithm. And now I've found your channel too 😂
Great reaction, looking forward to watching you explore more!
I too am new to LS. The more I hear the more I love. You nailed the patience needed to catch the subtleties!!!
"that is fucking feral" is easily the best line ive heard in a reaction of this song lmao
“That is fu***no feral” is the best description I’ve heard for that breakdown.
Love this. Will's growls mixed with the symphonic metal is beautiful. I recommend to you Will's covers of Sleep Token. I also recommend Sleep Token 😊
I'll check it out! Thanks for watching :)
Yes please some Sleep Token would be amazing. They are Will's favorite band!@@SoulSingerDiscovers
the vocalist (Will Ramos) also did a live recording of him doing the vocals to the song on his youtube channel :)
I have to see it! 😊
My brain is constantly chaos and when I listen to something like Lorna or IA it actually calms me down. I call it my happy music because it allows me to relax
That’s cool. I feel like if I find the right metal I will also feel a cathartic soothing vibe. Thanks for watching Aaron 😊
The charismatic voice invited Will to make video recordings of his throat at a doctor's office while he did these voices.
New to the channel, and the eerie and melancholic metal is definitely uplifting for me, because it's very relatable. And most times helps me get out of my little funks where I feel a bit down.
Most cathartic piece of music I have heard, fantastic! And you are spot on about needing time for the ears to adjust to new and complex music, this is why for instance Epica has less mass appeal then Nightwish and Nightwish less then mainstream pop.
This comment is *chefs kiss* yeah I guess I get the catharsis of it if I were mad or something. Certainly the complexity is its own little hurdle but I feel I’m getting there 😊💪
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i like your shooketh! facial expressions
But Hurrah !! You did the badest track, why is ?
because every song they put online after this, is getting better then the one before ... more musical, better voice, heavyly more use of choirs and orchestral backings
really interesting mix they put out
can you imagine, that this band, with this music, can make you emotional ? so really like i need to cry now ?
i didn´t until they put out the "Pain Remains" trilogy (3 videos / 3 parted musictrack)
even today it brings me to emotions
btw, i was one of the suggesting ones, in my case in a early Nightwish reaction ;)
This is their 3rd and current vocalist, Will Ramos. Listen to his vocal cover of Sleep Token's "Chokehold" to hear his clean vocals.
Lorna Shore for me is more relaxing, but that's mostly because they're a bit more "friendly" to listen to. Otherwise, Death Metal/Core usually amps me up. If I'm angry, it calms me. Fills the brain with enough music to drown out the other racket that's always going off in my head.
Hopefully you make a video of Wills one take live performance of this song!
You should give more of their songs a try. To The Hellfire blew up because it was the band's first EP with Will Ramos (the vocalist) but they have many amazing songs with him, and I personally fell in love with them at first because of the choirs in their songs. Of The Abyss is a great example :)
Edit: something to note - Will's enunciations while screaming is amazing, compared to other vocalists
He has those vocal mechanics you speak of, but he is able to do it like no one else in this business. He can twist his throat somehow.
“That is f****** feral” absolutely killed me 😂😂😂😂
I should be a poet! :P
I gotta tell you, Special K, that look of 'what the fuck,' at the beginning, was priceless.
As for being able to 'execute' said vocal style, don't be too hard on yourself: starving bears fighting for food couldn't produce such sounds!
A great review!
So I’m new to your channel (loving what I see and hear lol) but when you showing the higher scream it sounded like a whistle which reminded me of the whistle scream or siren scream as some call it and that was beautiful lol 😂
Thanks for subbing! :)
You gotta see his one take performance of this song. Dude is a monster with insane talent and control. He sounds just as good as he does in a studio.
There are some great links on RUclips of this being performed live. And it's super impressive 🤘
Yeah I’m gonna have to check them out! It’s too impressive not to 😊💪
I’ve seen Lorna Shore twice, along with Mastodon and Gojira, in the last 4 months. I went from shocked and not sure if I was interested in Lorna Shore to a huge fan after hearing them live. My brain can’t really comprehend what Will is doing with his voice. He nails it live.
Gojira though….probably the best live shows of my life.
Out of the three, Lorna Shore is my favorite band, but no doubt that Gojira was the top live act of that tour. They are just fantastic at what they do,.
I’ve become a huge fan of Lorna Shore recently. Will is a beast of a vocalist. His Sleep Token covers are really good, and I’ve had the Pain Remains album on loop for weeks now. It’s a great way for me to release a lot of stress, and just decompress from the stresses that life throws at me. Metal in general has always been my go-to. I’ve been a metal head for almost 40 years now, and as long as metal artists keep putting out masterful music like this, I’ll continue to be a metal head.
Also, as others have said, checking out the one-take performances is highly recommended. As a fellow vocalist, it’s a great way to really hear what he does, unfiltered.
Did not expect the more than decent knowledge on harsh vocals. A job well done.
To answer your question about emotions: To The Hellfire gets me pumped, bur songs like the Pain Remains trilogy actually make me feel very introspective and sad to a certain extent, but in a good way. To me, songs like those feel like katharsis.
It brings out the empathy within... you can feel the husband's sadness for his loss...
Great reaction. You should give Will Ramos (the singer) one take vocal performance of this a listen.
I also recommend Wills cover of Chokehold.
Plus there's a video called Operation throat camera on the channel of the charismatic voice in which scientists put a camera down Wills throat to see what's going on during those harsh vocals. The video is very long, but most is about Elizabeth getting to know Will, the actual part in the voice lab is short enough for a reaction.
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Listening to the scary and heavy stuff is exciting, calming, and relaxing. I've worked out while listening to it and also fallen asleep listening to it lol
The grossest of metal music for me is very relieving to hear something that relates to my emotions that I have a hard time expressing, I’m a very gentle soft person but I get absolutely captivated by this shit feeling very at home
Think I just found a new channel to binge... 🔥🤘😝🤘🔥
Yassss!!! Welcome my dude! 😊💪♥️
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Hey, i just stumbled upon this reaction and it's cool that you're a fellow Scottish person 🏴 just thought I'd let you know that if you want to hear them live they're playing in the barrowlands on the 3rd of December, you have no idea how hyped for that gig i am 😂
Nice review!!!! Definitely can do these noises live, hes a monster! The one takes attest to this, give them a go, also, if you want to hear him clean singing, try his cover of Sleep Tokens 'Hypnosis', wooooo lawd ❤
You're edited scenes were hilarious 😁 if you wanna see melancholy, check out Lorna shore : pain remains trilogy.
Also if you would like to see one of will's influences, check out infant annihilator : Blasphemian, but don't say i didn't warn you 😉 😆
Oh god! I know I shouldn’t listen but I can’t help myself 😂 thank you for the recommendation…. I think! 😊
7:35 is she vocalist of Beyond Deviation?
I wish 🥰
not gunna lie, that high scream you had at 7:36 gave me shivers lol
I can as easily fall asleep as get pumped to metal music. It is the core of my being. Not to say I don’t like other genres.
Plus one on the calming effect.
The more extreme the metal the more chilled I get.
I actually have meditated to Meshuggah. It really works, especially when watching the video for Clockworks.
I actually listen to this during sleep. Relaxes me.
I just got to see these guys live this last Friday! Lorna Shore has been my favorite band for years and then Will Ramos came along and made them even sicker! These guys put on an amazing fucking show live.
Definitely listen to the one take of this done by Will, it's really interesting the difference.
What he's actually doing with his goblin is he's basically adopting a Smeagol impression and then injecting his fry into it. It's not even really a scream, it's quite something. Learning how to do it myself in a different way made me realise that it's not actually "high" in terms of vocal range, it's an illusion. Like if we are talking about a high belt compared to say a low note, it's actually more mid comparatively. The same way that Andy Serkiss when he does Smeagol voice in lord of the rings isn't actually affecting any high frequency, it's all illusory. It really has to be to be able to sustain it and you don't need a lot of breath pressure to effect it, the way you do something like a high belt.
I like this kind of metal because it's like extreme sports like skateboarding, snowboarding, base jumping, wing suiting, etc.
It's just balls to the wall and gotta be at the top of the game to even pull it off.
You should definitely check out their Pain Remains trilogy. It still showcases the heaviness, but a lot more emotional and more melodic.
Will do! :)
Generally listening to metal and adjacent music, has a very positive effect on my mood ... except for the band Anathema (who have not been "metal" for a very long time). It's a just how introverted, melancholic, moody and even angry the music can be combined with various associations of memory from the time that I was really into the band. So whenever I listen to them for a length of time, I tend to come away feeling quite self-reflective and melancholy too. Sadly the band broke up inexplicably a couple of years ago.
The Charismatic voice did a video with Will Ramos where she put a camera down his throat while he sang just to get an idea of his folds, going wacka wacka, and how crazy it is the sounds he makes
He’s a demon! IM SURE OF IT! :P
something you need to know about metal is that all you hear is real, in comparison with others genres like pop, r&b or electronic music, where the sound is overproduce. Metal musicians are capable to play just like the official videos when preforming live, yeah maybe there is a few layers or double tracking on the vocals, but it doesnt mean Will Ramos is faking it or using distortion pedals to do it, its him. Check the one takes he recorded and be amazed with his talent
Heard that "cookie monster" style for decades now but Will Ramos takes it to a whole other level, serious vocalizations, dude takes good care of his voice
- me at lunch one day at work
-everyone else, “what the hell??”
-me: sorry guys, my hot pocket was stuck to the top of my mouth
I would highly recommend you watch the pain remains series they did. It's far easier for a non deathcore to understand the more beautiful heartfelt aspect of deathcore
Sounds good! I’ll check it out! Thank you Brandon 😊
One take vocals version plz❤
Will do! 😊
oh you absolutely should check out one of his one take videos.
Metal is as diverse as any genre of music, one can find music within metal suited for any mindset.
11:19 "please... watch Will Ramos's one take playthroughs of his songs. or just watch a live video of him, I actually prefer his one take playthrough of to the hellfire more than the recorded studio version
Metal does have ties to melancholy folk music, given that Judas Priest covered Joan Baez's Diamonds and Rust (makes sense when you consider they got their name from The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest, off John Wesley Harding). And while their Fleetwood Mac cover is from their blues era, Green Manalishi is definitely one of the more brooding Peter Green tracks.
You should watch the documentary when they study his vocals. Because he can 100% do them with nothing. And they even explain that he has more control of his vocal muscles than most Opera singers. It is its own craft that is often tossed out as easy or nonsense by most who don't understand. Great video! You too have an amazing voice
I saw them live last month here in Belgium and they blew my socks off! They are live so much better and the atmosphere the whole band brings is insane!
Without all the layering Will sounds as brutal as this one if not more brutal tbh!
Yeah he’s a beast! 😊
Metal music definitely relaxes me for some reason. I often listen to some black metal before going to sleep, however there are bands out there that pump me up rather than relaxing me, it's usually the breakdowns that pump me up
Any of the one takes he does would be amazing to see you do. Also the pain remains trilogy would give you an insight in to what level of emotion this style of metal can achieve
Lorna Shore had a live virtual concert during covid on SiriusXM that's on youtube, they did 5-6 songs
Will Ramos can also sing like nobody's business. Check out his Sleep Token covers to hear amazing singing instead of screaming.
About how metal music affects my mood: usually it puts me in a better mood and makes me happy. On bad days it also gives me energy to keep going (especially angrier songs are great for period days etc 😅)
BUT! It's also soothing. Last winter, someone very close to me died. The first week or two after the funeral, the only music I could listen to were Insomnium, Mustan Kuun Lapset and some Led Zeppelin. Don't know why, but these 3 were the only ones that eased the pain in my chest just a little, and calmed me down. Moonsorrow also has this effect on me. It's "familiar" somehow, very natural - it's like a reminder that you are not alone, other people have similar experiences.
...Don't know if this makes any sense but there you go 🤦♀😅
Please check the one take performance of this song. Will are incredible 🤩
Check out Charismatic Voice and Will Ramos voice. They put a camera down his throat to look at his vocals while he does this! He is very good when not doing fry screams as well! Check out his cover of Chokehold from Sleep Token!
I have seen a few of the videos he’s done with TCV and it’s just amazing. Still to check out more of his one takes 😊 thanks for watching my dude 😊
I've seen them live. YES, he can do it live, too! (Will Ramos - looks like a labradoodle and sings like a werewolf!!) Melisa, check out the 'Pain Remains trilogy' from the latest album of the same name)
Everyone has been suggesting this trilogy and I’m getting really curious now 🧐
Any of Will's one take videos are definitely worth watching, the man is beyond impressive.
Will is very sweet and skilled. Discovering his voice is a particuliar moment in a life ^^ So that, one question if you allow it : will you share here somme of your singing ?
As someone who has been working on doing some harsh vocals, I can attest that it is very much like doing voice acting. You use and manipulate the same parts of your throat and mouth to create some crazy sounds
Pain Remains 1, 2 and 3.. its essentially a deathcore ballad. Unbelievably beautiful
Adding to the insane talent he has, he is down to earth and humble af!!!!
His clean vocals are amazing too! I definitely recommend his cover of Sleep Token's Chokehold
I'll check it out! Thank you! :)
To answer your question from the beginning:
Whenever I listen to Bathory's Twilight of the Gods album 2x in a row, I am googling things like "How can a modern person enter Valhalla, besides dying in battle?" or "Would our world be a better place if the Vikings hadn't been abandoning their North American settlements?"
Most of the time I get a bit depressed afterwards, because the answers are negative, indecisive or there are no answers ...
I hope this clears things up a bit. Somehow similar to what you experience with Tom Waits.
Have a great week, my dear Scottish dudette!
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May Odin give you knowledge on your path. May Thor grant you strength and courage on your way, and may Loki give you laughter as you go. May the blessings of your gods and my own be with you, Melisa.
I hear wolves in the throne room (black metal) to get sleep. It calms me down all the time
Please check his clean voice : sleep Token coverd by Will Ramos: Chokehold (Will Ramos is the Singer from Lorna Shore)
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Thank you for watching my dude! I will do 😊
The heavier the song the calmer it makes me for whatever reason its music I put on to help me go to sleep
Thats super interesting! I dont see myself doing that but I can understand that for people raised with Metal this must be super soothing. Thanks for watching 😊💜
You should watch the onetake vocal playthrough of this song
i listen to metal when i need to get out everything i can’t yell out loud for fear of being locked up 😬 it definitely improves my mood. it also really helps my focus and concentration when studying and got me through my bachelor’s degree and nursing school with high honors 😉
That sounds perfect. If it makes you feel good that’s wonderful :)
You should check out the One Take Cover of Into The Earth. I'd say that's their most vocally challenging song.
As far as metal goes I have just been into it from being a young teenager.....I have just been chasing the metal riff ever since... The power of the riff compells me it also didn't take me long to find extreme stuff ,.....it just is good very rarely listen to other genras, an metal has so many sub genras is it never gets boring to me
I don't have a problem with just listening to every meshuggah album or obituary album in one day just love love the guitar riff in its many forms love when I discover new bands/or guitar tone
Good to see you exploring the more extreme side of metal. Your fans have good taste, having recommended this, Cannibal Corpse and Nevermore early on.
You might find the band Archspire interesting, and definitely closer to bee-bop than this is. They're a Canadian technical death metal band and their vocalist combines death metal techniques with techniques from speed rap. The band themselves are all virtuosos and they certainly like to push the limits in terms of execution, especially in terms of speed.
It's great to see an honest analysis as a reaction!
That sounds fantastic. I’ll add them to the list. Thank you so much for watching my dude 😊💪
@@SoulSingerDiscovers Archspire just released a new video that they funded with a Kickstarter... Great video, but not their best track to showcase the band as a whole... That's the title track from the 2021 album "Bleed the Future." They were asking for $30k CAD to help film it and the Kickstarter broke $80k... So glad that it worked out all right in the end and they made quite the video! Also extremely gory, so demonetization is likely if you react to that one.
They have videos for two of the other tracks off that album, "Golden Mouth of Ruin", which they basically recorded on no budget just to release it early as a single, and "Drone Corpse Aviator", which is an amazing video despite it's small budget... But it's also a bit bloody.
Some of the band members have friends and family in the film industry, so they like to make crazy music videos... It took about a decade and their third album to actually be able to afford to make them, though!
Their earlier stuff is great too, although they have mostly instrumental and even vocal playthroughs of their other tracks. An old favorite of reaction channels pre-2021 was reacting to their lyric videos, such as the lyric video for "Involuntary Doppelganger..." It's definitely a struggle to keep up with that one after many listens, let alone the first one!
Hope you find something you enjoy out of it, or, at least it elicits a strong enough emotion to create a good reaction video!