Yeah I like having room for melodies to shine through still - if Trivium were only atonal screaming I wouldn't like them nearly as much - but whatever is healthiest is best longterm of course
Bro nah not even close. 200% effort vocals from Matt is done. He sacrificed his vocal cords for the 4 greatest metal albums of all time. I'm ok with this
The first one sounds so unfucking believably good dude. It just sounds so much more tough and every word has a unique dynamic to it with that scream. I am a bedroom recording engineer for sure. But im obsessed with vocals and i learned to scream listening to trivium in the mid 2000's so grain of salt ya know. But imo you sound so much more comfortable singing the first one and have much smoother transistions from screaming to singing. But the sing/scream at 7:50 was FUCKING amazing too. I think there are things to incorporate from both personally.
Just my opinion: Ibaraki screams in a closed area like this sound okay but just don't translate well in a full sized venue since they sound more reserved and don't have as much power. Trivium screams flat out sound better but I know that style is what caused pain. If there was a real way to safely manage the pain and keep this more powerful sound, that would be my choice but health always comes first. 🙏
I think that both styles sound great in their own way. I think the best thing would be to alternate between them and use each style where it fits best. For this specific song I think the Ibaraki style fits better. I think the second/trivium style can sound a little monotone if used 100% of the time.
Didn’t realise how much I missed the old screams especially on older songs. Just, right in my high-school heart, man. But no question the ibaraki sounds more mature, fuller, and honestly more musically dynamic, even if it is a little more difficult to understand the lyrics. I love the idea that other people in the comment section have had, layering both in recorded music. More Ibaraki in more ‘metal-’ songs and a little more Trivium-screams in the more ‘-core’ songs.
Damn, practicing vocals while reading the critique in the chat in real time is a real check for your confidence and technique! Great job! It sounds like you have more pitch in the second technique, and it also sounds higher overall. It would also be cool to hear you do low screams without harm to your vocal cords if possible. I mean vocals like in "dusk dismantled" for example
I liked the second one better but the first one is great also. Why not both? Adds variety and reminds me when you used to do the higher and lower pitched screams. Thank you for the insight! ❤
As a random dude on the internet that can neither scream or sing, i think 1 was better, but there are some Trivium songs that work best with 2 if you can swing it without wearing yourself out.
i think the first one, because it is more "growly" and wild, fits really well with Trivium style, with songs like the ones from shogun, where it needs some really aggressive singing. the second one is more clear and is perfect for the ember/ascendancy song or the post-silence in the snow albums. both are really great 💪🏻
I much prefer 2, reminds me a lot of Shogun screams which are my favorite. And like others have said, the second scream is a little monotone, so if you could add some range in there it'd be genuinely perfect.
I like what doesnt hurt you. But id love to know how your lows you did on Nik's new song compare to these. Also the grit at 7:52 is fantastic for some of the older songs unless thats super taxing on the voice. 1 sounds great, no complaints
I definitely like the Trivium screams soooooo much better. The only thing I wish you'd do a bit differently is for the clean singing choruses I wish you'd use more of the raspy cleans like how they sounded back in the day. The cleans sound a little too good, and clean, where that rasp gives it that gritty edge while still showing your talent in the clean department.
idk but second style fits older albums and songs like Rain better, though obv needs a bit more pitch coz its monotone. the first style fits modern albums better imo.
The differences I notice is that the Ibaraki screams are more distance more bassy. Whereas the Trivium screams are more mid push and upfront in your face.
Trivium style will always be my favorite, it has that unique and instantly recognizable unhinged grit that no one else does, I think it is one of the best screams in metal because of its uniqueness. However, I really like Ibaraki-style screaming in Ibaraki because it fits Ibaraki so well.
I prefer 2 because it is so f**kin' aggressive. But the first one has the advantage of having a "thicker" sound compared to the 2nd. I would love to hear them layered, I think that could work.
In this example scream 1 works so much better than the second in my opinion. You can even hear the second option sounds so much higher than the screams on the album track you are playing and singing over.
We almost lost Matt's voice completely to the Trivium Scream. My greedy self will take whatever keeps Trivium around the longest, and I enjoy the sound of both.
The Ibaraki style, to me, sounds a little bit odd and quiet and inhale-y. It doesn't have the power of your old (ascendancy/shogun era) scream. The second style you did in the video sounds more aggressive, but strangely monotone and forced? I wonder if you can find a middle ground between that and your older style. I am very curious what your approach to screaming is though, and I'd love to chat with you about it if you ever had time. You were a massive musical inspiration to me, and I somewhat modeled my own style after yours. Which of the two styles feels better, and is more effortless?
1st one seems like a false chord scream. 2nd one sounds like it comes more from his diaphragm. False chords are good for high pitched screams, which he doesn't really do all that much. That's my leading theory on why most people (including myself) like his 2nd scream more. A lot more power to it. It's a little reminiscent of hetfield before he blew his voice out and permanently babied it.
Definitely the first one, as I think the strong distortion almost eliminates that pitch of the second one which I feel gets a little in the way. If it varied more, like distortion on actual notes, it would work so well with Shogun tunes for sure. First one for me though - can't beat it when playing Ascendancy stuff.
I like Trivium style more. And thinking from the perspective of a choice for the Ascendency Tour, I would 100% choose Trivium style, because it's closer to the album recordings. The trivium style will sound more nostalgic, as such Tour could/should sound. Have you guys been considering painting your nails again?
Definitely prefer the second overall, especially on sustained notes - the Ibaraki screams fray too much and too quickly on longer notes. That said, there were a few places the first sounded better. A blend of the two would be super cool.
I do really like the sound of both, but the 1st one is better, and if the 2nd one wears it down, than you should do the ibaraki scream mostly, although for some songs the 2nd style would work better.
The second one definitely sounds like a SCREAM! It has grit and power and aggression. But I think it has too much pitch in it. The first one sounds kinda strained for my taste, like you want too hold it back to a safe zone that much, that you overcompress it and lock inside
technique 1 is kind of quiet in a way although it sounds like a scream should. the second way is more powerful but it feels more like regular vocal distortion. its too high pitched, and has way too much actual "voice" in it. we missed the second technique, but it suits parts like becoming the dragon more. 7:50 is an example. sounds perfect. just not as a scream. Also i feel like its gonna do damage if you use it so high. Unlike 7:50, you do it way higher and sound like you "flex" your throat too much ( 6:43). i dont have your experience in screaming but that sounds unhealthy. if im correct dropping it a bit will sound better and be easier. doesnt sound like mixed voice scream, nor head voice. i dont know the terms well. but i emphasise it doesnt sound healthy. both sound great, but in my opinion i would mix them if able, use both. im aware that in the past you experienced trouble with your voice, so i dont know if your voice lets you do things you did younger, and if the things you did were actually healthy for your voice. SO.. i would either use first technique as a scream and the second as a vocal distortion like 7:50, or try to lower the second technique, take away the actual singing voice from it, deepen it, make sure it doesnt wear you down. If that cant happen DONT use the second as a scream, it most likely will do damage. AND AGAIN BOTH ARE GREAT, i hope i dont come across as a smart !@#$ or disrespectful. you are the proffesional, its up to you, we will love all outcomes.
2 was more of a yell to me personally. Still prefer 1 though. I know it was incredibly damaging for you but the incorrect method you used in the Ascendancy days is still my favourite just for how raw it sounded and how unafraid it was to be in your face. Idk there was just something magical about it. Regardless I'll listen to any music Trivium and Ibaraki put out because you're all superb musicians and are a band I have never stopped listening to since I was in high school.
tbh the first one sounded really good, but perhaps thats just in the studio environemnt, I wonder if that technique as well translates well to live audio? if it does, absoloutely go for it
This is just my opinion. For Trivium songs I'd go with option number 1 option. Number 2 sounds like you are blowing your voice up and since it's a monotonic melody, sometimes it doesn't go well with the song.
You could really just mix these two for a bit of variation in the delivery. The second version has more of a discernable pitch element and would be better to highlight certain passages. The Ibaraki style is better for the bulk of the verses IMO
Maybe don't hold back eith rhe volume on 2 and just let it be louder then cleans or progam volume control. Maybe try to find a way to add a little more distortion to it or consider finding a vocalist for screams and stay on the cleans, could be very beneficial
I’m so confused that people are saying the second style sounds more like the original album. It sounds nothing like the scream he used back then. The first style in this video is far closer to his screams in 2005
I honestly thought your 'Ibaraki' scream was your old Trivium scream, the first definitely sounds better, the second sounds like you're sounding bad to make a point 🤔
1st is already quite nice, 2nd is a little out of tune or wrong in some way. I mean, one can get used to it, but for now 1 is superior. Consider improve 1 to make it more powerful not radically different
I don't really like the second one at all if I'm honest stylistically for your music. First one is sounding brilliant though, you've got your vox sounding brilliant these days in your own style.
Same, and it seems that he is forcing more his vocals strings, on the second one , too.. Reminds me of first Trivium era, the first one is more vocla string friendly,it seem s for me. though I like both... I prefer the first one, too!
What "ibaraki" stands for? For a long time learner, the first is some kind of dry fry, and the second is fry with more voice, almost a battle on both sides (distorion and voice), reminds old meshuggah. I kinda can do both, and every one has it's place. So, both are AWESOME. No false chords like "Upon the Shores"? :(
Man, this guy has some good Trivium covers.
Trivium should reach out to this guy
Yo Matt are you going to team up with the charismatic voice and her vocal research? Would be dope.
I would love to see this happen. I feel like it would be a great learning opportunity since he has multiple techniques that are all kinda different
this would also be good to do if it was to happen before the tour so he could see if the old style with better support appears healthy
Bro you got a spare guitar 🎸
Love the style at 7:50, it reminds me of early era Trivium. Wish you could use some of these on the next album.
Yes, this is the sound I miss!
Yeah I like having room for melodies to shine through still - if Trivium were only atonal screaming I wouldn't like them nearly as much - but whatever is healthiest is best longterm of course
Bro nah not even close. 200% effort vocals from Matt is done. He sacrificed his vocal cords for the 4 greatest metal albums of all time. I'm ok with this
The first one sounds so unfucking believably good dude. It just sounds so much more tough and every word has a unique dynamic to it with that scream. I am a bedroom recording engineer for sure. But im obsessed with vocals and i learned to scream listening to trivium in the mid 2000's so grain of salt ya know. But imo you sound so much more comfortable singing the first one and have much smoother transistions from screaming to singing. But the sing/scream at 7:50 was FUCKING amazing too. I think there are things to incorporate from both personally.
Just my opinion:
Ibaraki screams in a closed area like this sound okay but just don't translate well in a full sized venue since they sound more reserved and don't have as much power.
Trivium screams flat out sound better but I know that style is what caused pain. If there was a real way to safely manage the pain and keep this more powerful sound, that would be my choice but health always comes first. 🙏
I mean there is, but his vocal coach obviously doesn’t support false chords.
I think that both styles sound great in their own way. I think the best thing would be to alternate between them and use each style where it fits best. For this specific song I think the Ibaraki style fits better. I think the second/trivium style can sound a little monotone if used 100% of the time.
Fully agree
Dont say that. the first one is way better.
The 2nd one is garbage
Didn’t realise how much I missed the old screams especially on older songs. Just, right in my high-school heart, man.
But no question the ibaraki sounds more mature, fuller, and honestly more musically dynamic, even if it is a little more difficult to understand the lyrics.
I love the idea that other people in the comment section have had, layering both in recorded music. More Ibaraki in more ‘metal-’ songs and a little more Trivium-screams in the more ‘-core’ songs.
I think Ibaraki screams sound better for Ember to inferno and Ascendancy, but for the rest of the albums, I believe Trivium screams would sound better
I 100% believe it would fit best too that way!!
2 has that grit to it that's been missing for a while, and the lyrics are more decipherable IMO
Amen to all of that!
Damn, practicing vocals while reading the critique in the chat in real time is a real check for your confidence and technique! Great job!
It sounds like you have more pitch in the second technique, and it also sounds higher overall. It would also be cool to hear you do low screams without harm to your vocal cords if possible. I mean vocals like in "dusk dismantled" for example
I liked the second one better but the first one is great also. Why not both? Adds variety and reminds me when you used to do the higher and lower pitched screams.
Thank you for the insight! ❤
Honestly, I wish for you to keep utilizing the signature scream, but your Ibaraki technique has SIGNIFICANTLY improved over the past couple months.
As a random dude on the internet that can neither scream or sing, i think 1 was better, but there are some Trivium songs that work best with 2 if you can swing it without wearing yourself out.
i think the first one, because it is more "growly" and wild, fits really well with Trivium style, with songs like the ones from shogun, where it needs some really aggressive singing. the second one is more clear and is perfect for the ember/ascendancy song or the post-silence in the snow albums. both are really great 💪🏻
I much prefer 2, reminds me a lot of Shogun screams which are my favorite. And like others have said, the second scream is a little monotone, so if you could add some range in there it'd be genuinely perfect.
No shogun vocals my god. that was the worst!!!! we lost trivium for all that time till in waves.
2 is so much more ferocious. Love it 👌👌👌👌
in my opinion a mix of both would be the best.. some parts fit better with a different style
would be interesting to have an in depth breakdown on how these techniques are separated and how you evolved them to their current state.
I like what doesnt hurt you. But id love to know how your lows you did on Nik's new song compare to these. Also the grit at 7:52 is fantastic for some of the older songs unless thats super taxing on the voice. 1 sounds great, no complaints
And now a comparison to the type of vocals you did with Nik^^
Yes!
Listening to both, I find that I can more easily understand the words in the second one compared to the first one
Addicted to these segments.
Listening again to the last screamed lines of the song from both scream styles I’m convinced more than ever that the first style is best for Rain
I definitely like the Trivium screams soooooo much better. The only thing I wish you'd do a bit differently is for the clean singing choruses I wish you'd use more of the raspy cleans like how they sounded back in the day. The cleans sound a little too good, and clean, where that rasp gives it that gritty edge while still showing your talent in the clean department.
idk but second style fits older albums and songs like Rain better, though obv needs a bit more pitch coz its monotone. the first style fits modern albums better imo.
The differences I notice is that the Ibaraki screams are more distance more bassy. Whereas the Trivium screams are more mid push and upfront in your face.
The second one is your best scream, very wild 🔥🤘🥵
Trivium style will always be my favorite, it has that unique and instantly recognizable unhinged grit that no one else does, I think it is one of the best screams in metal because of its uniqueness. However, I really like Ibaraki-style screaming in Ibaraki because it fits Ibaraki so well.
Can’t wait to see you in may in Toronto
1st one sounds like trivium. 2nd one reminds me of my dad yelling at me.
Definetly a combination of both, I really liked Shogun as it had a variety of screams, high, low, mids!
second was soooooooo RAW, sick AS FUCK
You need to try and add range to the 2nd scream, it sounds like your singing the same note everytime
I prefer 2 because it is so f**kin' aggressive. But the first one has the advantage of having a "thicker" sound compared to the 2nd. I would love to hear them layered, I think that could work.
In this example scream 1 works so much better than the second in my opinion. You can even hear the second option sounds so much higher than the screams on the album track you are playing and singing over.
It crazy as you evolve as a band the earlier easier stuff becomes harder to play as you advance
Definitely the first one!
We almost lost Matt's voice completely to the Trivium Scream. My greedy self will take whatever keeps Trivium around the longest, and I enjoy the sound of both.
same, and his new screams sound so much better than they used to
The Ibaraki style, to me, sounds a little bit odd and quiet and inhale-y. It doesn't have the power of your old (ascendancy/shogun era) scream. The second style you did in the video sounds more aggressive, but strangely monotone and forced? I wonder if you can find a middle ground between that and your older style. I am very curious what your approach to screaming is though, and I'd love to chat with you about it if you ever had time. You were a massive musical inspiration to me, and I somewhat modeled my own style after yours.
Which of the two styles feels better, and is more effortless?
1st one seems like a false chord scream. 2nd one sounds like it comes more from his diaphragm. False chords are good for high pitched screams, which he doesn't really do all that much. That's my leading theory on why most people (including myself) like his 2nd scream more. A lot more power to it. It's a little reminiscent of hetfield before he blew his voice out and permanently babied it.
Definitely the first one, as I think the strong distortion almost eliminates that pitch of the second one which I feel gets a little in the way. If it varied more, like distortion on actual notes, it would work so well with Shogun tunes for sure. First one for me though - can't beat it when playing Ascendancy stuff.
I like Trivium style more. And thinking from the perspective of a choice for the Ascendency Tour, I would 100% choose Trivium style, because it's closer to the album recordings. The trivium style will sound more nostalgic, as such Tour could/should sound.
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I dig both🤘🏼
the first works best for the bark like phrases, the second for the longer phrases imo
Definitely prefer the second overall, especially on sustained notes - the Ibaraki screams fray too much and too quickly on longer notes.
That said, there were a few places the first sounded better. A blend of the two would be super cool.
I'd say you could mix in both techniques.
I do really like the sound of both, but the 1st one is better, and if the 2nd one wears it down, than you should do the ibaraki scream mostly, although for some songs the 2nd style would work better.
The second one definitely sounds like a SCREAM! It has grit and power and aggression. But I think it has too much pitch in it. The first one sounds kinda strained for my taste, like you want too hold it back to a safe zone that much, that you overcompress it and lock inside
technique 1 is kind of quiet in a way although it sounds like a scream should. the second way is more powerful but it feels more like regular vocal distortion. its too high pitched, and has way too much actual "voice" in it. we missed the second technique, but it suits parts like becoming the dragon more. 7:50 is an example.
sounds perfect. just not as a scream. Also i feel like its gonna do damage if you use it so high. Unlike 7:50, you do it way higher and sound like you "flex" your throat too much ( 6:43). i dont have your experience in screaming but that sounds unhealthy. if im correct dropping it a bit will sound better and be easier. doesnt sound like mixed voice scream, nor head voice. i dont know the terms well. but i emphasise it doesnt sound healthy.
both sound great, but in my opinion i would mix them if able, use both. im aware that in the past you experienced trouble with your voice, so i dont know if your voice lets you do things you did younger, and if the things you did were actually healthy for your voice. SO.. i would either use first technique as a scream and the second as a vocal distortion like 7:50, or try to lower the second technique, take away the actual singing voice from it, deepen it, make sure it doesnt wear you down. If that cant happen DONT use the second as a scream, it most likely will do damage. AND AGAIN BOTH ARE GREAT, i hope i dont come across as a smart !@#$ or disrespectful. you are the proffesional, its up to you, we will love all outcomes.
2 was more of a yell to me personally. Still prefer 1 though.
I know it was incredibly damaging for you but the incorrect method you used in the Ascendancy days is still my favourite just for how raw it sounded and how unafraid it was to be in your face. Idk there was just something magical about it.
Regardless I'll listen to any music Trivium and Ibaraki put out because you're all superb musicians and are a band I have never stopped listening to since I was in high school.
The first one fits more with the old style Trivium.
Both good. But i think I like 1 bit more
Growing that hair back 🤘🏻
The first one, Trivium style
I prefer the second one in this one.
Meeesa want Ascendancy screams PLS daddy senseiiiii
2nd scream is how it should be! It's exactly like from song.
It’s not though , the first one sounds way more like the original
Both are good but 2 for sure. 🤘
I think I like the first one more
Imo the first sound way better 🔥🥳❤️
tbh the first one sounded really good, but perhaps thats just in the studio environemnt, I wonder if that technique as well translates well to live audio? if it does, absoloutely go for it
The second one sounds closer to the original Trivium screams, but like really monotone - no dynamics like the used to be
Tbh a mix of both would be nice.Willl only add more layers
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Don’t the one where you’re more comfortable putting some more umph but will be more sustainable for a long tour cycle
If it ain't broke don't fix it, it's what made you unique....plus are those dual 6505s on a marshall cab behind you?
2 if you can incorporate more variety in pitch.
This is just my opinion. For Trivium songs I'd go with option number 1 option. Number 2 sounds like you are blowing your voice up and since it's a monotonic melody, sometimes it doesn't go well with the song.
I'm not sure which was which but I think take 1 sounds better.
I vote for the second version
I like the ibaraki screams much better, they just sound much more natural to me, whereas sample 2 is too high pitched and feels forced
First one mat all the way.....that's the old trivium sound I miss
Version 2 allllllllll day long
I prefer the Ibaraki for sure. I think it's also safer for the voice.
The only time I miss the old Trivium vocals are on songs like Becoming the Dragon. Do what you need to do to protect your voice.
Impressive
imo definitely 1
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1 for sure, 2 doesn't sound like Trivium to ne and gives a strained feeling
You could really just mix these two for a bit of variation in the delivery. The second version has more of a discernable pitch element and would be better to highlight certain passages. The Ibaraki style is better for the bulk of the verses IMO
🤷♂ both sound great
Maybe don't hold back eith rhe volume on 2 and just let it be louder then cleans or progam volume control. Maybe try to find a way to add a little more distortion to it or consider finding a vocalist for screams and stay on the cleans, could be very beneficial
I’m so confused that people are saying the second style sounds more like the original album. It sounds nothing like the scream he used back then. The first style in this video is far closer to his screams in 2005
Ibaraki all day
I prefer the old school trivium screams in the beginning less forced and fit the songs better just my humble opinion
I honestly thought your 'Ibaraki' scream was your old Trivium scream, the first definitely sounds better, the second sounds like you're sounding bad to make a point 🤔
7:13 wasn't this moment a bit incorrect and harmfull for a voice? However, the second version is more like old Matt as on the record.
Why not do both?
number 1 sounds more fun : )
1>>>>>>>>>>2
1st is already quite nice, 2nd is a little out of tune or wrong in some way. I mean, one can get used to it, but for now 1 is superior. Consider improve 1 to make it more powerful not radically different
First style is way better IMO
2
Imo the second way sounds really strained and unhealthy.
I don't really like the second one at all if I'm honest stylistically for your music.
First one is sounding brilliant though, you've got your vox sounding brilliant these days in your own style.
Same. Second style immediately made me want to quit the video.
Same, and it seems that he is forcing more his vocals strings, on the second one , too..
Reminds me of first Trivium era, the first one is more vocla string friendly,it seem s for me. though I like both... I prefer the first one, too!
What "ibaraki" stands for? For a long time learner, the first is some kind of dry fry, and the second is fry with more voice, almost a battle on both sides (distorion and voice), reminds old meshuggah. I kinda can do both, and every one has it's place. So, both are AWESOME. No false chords like "Upon the Shores"? :(
Ibaraki is his solo project, where he uses only the first scream.
@@swegmeister96 ohh, right. I'll look after. Thanks
Do whatever you did on In waves, and Ascendancy.
Everything else is subpar
A million times one. It's way more phenomenal imo compared to 2.
It's way more powerful. Sounds more like Lars Petrov and Adam Darski. Idk about number 2...1 all the way. Just imo
Matt how the fuck do you trust yourself to sing and play without looking!?
Dad study