For those who want to delve into the psychological aspects of these crimes, criminals, and upbringings, YOU MUST LISTEN AND START WITH THESE: ruclips.net/p/PLnLc7I2gyWtSWYHlUVC7HH-HVfXCyCaYa
Thank you! All your interviews are very insightful! I appreciate your (and Dr. John's) work very much and admire your investment in this investigation. Not that it matters much but after seeing few comments - I fully agree with his "aha moment"; i think that is exactely what Lori is thinking. It does not justify her horrendous plans and actions or dimishes the fact she premeditated them. Thank you, kudos, be well and safe🙏🏼 greetings from Belgium❤
Omg!what a unbelievable way of family life to be involved with to be growing up in.The outside for other's to see got to perfect in everything.theses people are worst than Italian mafia ,you got to asked b4 taken a life +never kid's +never touching. Putting your hands on anybody the the wrong ways...+to be a member of any church makeing you feel you must be perfect ,there's no sutch thing it's impossible to be perfect ,,There was only one person that was perfect on this earth. His name is JESUS CHRIST we are not to follow a man ,a vision that Joseph Smith. Had. No matter who stands in the pulpit, we are to search scriptures from original king James Bible we are to seek out our own salvation,GOD gives us free will, your choice.,/ isn't Ironic that Janice+Barry didn't want anyone to know any wrong,s that was totally egnored,Here we are now listening from menny people. Who+ what this family was truely about.in there appearances being said you are the prettiest of all people,Ironically Janice,Lorie,Barry. beauty is gone.You can't hide from GOD or wrong act,s. TRUTH. will always come..
I just listened to these over the weekend while I worked. I thought the deep dives on the psychologist aspects were fascinating. I grew up in home with a narcissist parent, so not only were these episodes helpful in understanding this case, it also helped me process my own experiences a bit more. I went to therapy for years, so I'm not doing therapy by YT by any stretch. lol. But understanding it all is kind of a continual unfolding of information, and those episodes unfolded a bit more for.
It seems like Lori never suffered from the cognitive dissonance of being religious but drinking, being religious but lying, being religious but having premarital sex, being religious but being spiteful, being religious but committing adultery, being religious but being malicious and hateful, and finally, being religious but being a serial killer. It’s narcissism dialed up to a million.
I understand your point. But trust me, being religious and having a real genuine relationship with Jesus, LORD and Savior are TWO completely different things. Religion tends to get in the way of the real, true, point...
Retired detective here. I remember watching the first documentary about this case, seeing and hearing Janice, I could tell that image has always been everything and that nothing is off limits just so long as it doesn’t affect the family’s image and no one talks about it. Later I heard Alex’s first wife talk about his creepy relationship with Lori; and was convinced that there was a history of sexual abuse in that family. This sweet lady’s account of the pubic hair advice is a huge indicator known as age inappropriate sexual knowledge. She confirms my suspicions. These messed up people were created by the father’s perversion and the mother’s denial and willful blindness. They’ll meet Alex and Lori in Hell.
They also had a middle child named Adam. He hasn't come forth with a lot of information from what I've seen. But the sexual abuse seems pretty obvious.
Coming from a Catholic family that is extremely dysfunctional, while we didn’t protect murders, we did protect child molesters. This woman has done her work to break cycles. I appreciate your insight.
I can't understand why the Catholic Church does not allow the priests to marry? In the Greek Orthodox Church the priest must be married before he is ordained!!
@@nitsakalkinis4135 it is a long story having to do with a lot of bad choices by married priests and lust for money and power. When Luther wrote his famous thesis, part of the reformation to address the corruption in order reduce corruption was to require priests to be celibate. That is the simple very condensed version of the whole story and clearly it wasn’t a good solution.
@Nitsa Kalkinis if I may. It has nothing to do with marriage. These men molest children. If it was about the sexually intimacy they would be with adult woman
My last name is Jewish but I'm from a very large, strict Catholic family (originally). The Great Grand Parents, Grand Parents, were definitely old Vatican Shame. So, even though we were not as naive and frightened as this girl, but the "we don't talk about it" and no way did our parents talk like that is plain SHOCK VALUE. DISGUSTING.
I was overwhelmed by the courage shown by Megan and by the clarity that this interview has brought to my understanding of the dynamics involved in this enormous tragedy. I 'stumbled' across this video, but within the first few minutes I knew I would sit through to the end. And I will probably watch it at least one more time. Thank you, Megan, and bless you on your personal journey.
Amazing statement by Megan: "If the family had held Lori and Alex accountable for the death of Charles, Tylee and JJ (and even Tammy) might still be alive."
The family AND the police! They really dropped the ball massively investigating them after Charles’s death. And after all their bungling, trying her and convicting her for Charles death will be difficult at best.
Well, it wouldn't have hurt, but the folly is with Gilbert Police and Chandler police of the absolute disgusting Arizona police department and disgusting lack of concern and training. Blame and Shame on them.
Love Lauren’s style of interviewing. Never injecting her own opinion . She allows the guest to speak unimpeded and asks great questions that are not accusatory, allowing the guest to feel comfortable. Thank you Lauren.
Unlike Banfield refuse to watch one more minute of her she's worse than Nancy Grace. Im glad these new podcasts are getting more traffic than them maybe N.N will get smart and phase out Banfield. Its weird because shes chill when filmed at home and on podcasts, then on N.N. she interrupts everyone. Rant over sorry
I LOVE that she is literally the ONLY one in this family that is willing to tell the truth and be honest about things and doesn't think Lori the mom of the year "changed overnight". (Summer and mom are delusional) Adam spoke up somewhat but didn't delve into the toxicity of the whole family. Good for her
Holy smokes Megan, I’m exmormon and out of my family system too but even beyond that GEEZ LOUISE we have had VERY SIMILAR experiences and families, thank you so much for sharing, it did my heart good to hear how strong you are!!! Way to go sister!!! 💎✨
Megan- thank you so much for your willingness to share your experiences. You seem like a very mentally and emotionally healthy person, and I am so sorry you had to experience the things you did. As a mother of a twelve year old daughter, it makes me so sad that you were put in such awful situations at such a young age. You’ve got support here!! All the best to you! ❤️
Wow. It is so refreshing to hear someone talk truth about this beast of a woman. What Megan describes of Lori is exactly the type of woman I imagined her to be. A phoney mean girl.
I was SA by an uncle. My grandmother found out and told me not to tell anybody because of what could happen. So I was silent for 30+ years. Secrets in a family is not healthy! How ever painful it is, you have to create an environment that "you can tell me anything and everything is going to be okay". Secrets snowballs and creates consequences that you can't imagine.
In my family, police weren't generally involved, although we did have cops in our family. So, in the SA situations I know about, vengeance was exacted privately and ruthlessly.
When I was a kid, the secrets in my family, was deafening. And why my husband and I have always had an extremely open relationship with our kids. (Age appropriate at times, of course).
Thank you so much for not censoring this woman. The weight of that F-bomb was poignant, precise, and so very telling. I am here for the real talk. Respect
The cat story has me horrified. I can’t imagine being part of that as a teenager. Or an adult for that matter. Early signs of being a sociopath. I’m so sorry for all the trauma you’ve been through, Megan. Thank you for sharing this important part of the Cox story. It was very enlightening, while at the same shocking and troubling for us to hear.
That poor cat, just absolutely sickening Lori laughed at killing it and causing it pain. I’m not surprised at all, but I’m still horrified. She is clearly a psychopath. Her Dad sounds exactly like her too. I love my cats so much.
An insight into how life was disposable to her. This may have been an animal but no concern whatsoever if this was someone's pet and the sorrow it might bring to others. She's a fullblown sociopath.
I have to tell you Lauren, your interview with Megan was so gentle and kind. I was mesmerized and so incredibly impressed by the care you took to ensure Megan felt safe as she was sharing such powerful memories. (very therapist-esque! I'm sure Dr. Babe is impressed!) As I was listening, I also thought some of the Cox family reminds me of the Murdaugh's, minus the LDS/religiosity. The importance of appearances at all cost, no one talking about anything, family secrets, father participating in financial schemes, narcissism etc. Fascinating. SO well done. Honest to god, please keep doing what you are doing, there is nothing else like it out there!
Odd, Lori’s sister dies at parents home, while the rest of the family is in Hawaii. Doesn’t hurry back to see their daughter/sister. Told Megan’s family they were planning a burial, then later finds out she was cremated. A pattern that Lori would follow years later- Hawaiian Vaca, being far away when someone dies, Alex left behind becoming the family “fixer” and cremations. Strange. Did parents collect Life Ins. on Stacy?
I know this case front to back. Sister died from what could easily have been lori and/or alex oding her purposely on her insulin. I believe that was their first.
Megan, I think you’re one of the most emotionally healthy people I’ve ever listened to. Thank you, Lauren, for this wonderful interview. Very insightful.
I started this interview a year ago during Lori's trial. I just now finished it in the middle of Chad's trial. Megan is so wise. I'm touched by her courage and compassion. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Lauren, I learned about narcissism from you years ago. (It really helped me leave an abusive relationship!) This interview with Megan gives us insight into what happens when a father who is narcissistic raises a family. And the mother possibly, too. Certainly, the hyper focus on her appearance created disordered eating. Lori sounds narcissistic in the extreme. Like a sociopath. Or maybe she was born that way. But God help us! this story shows how damaging malignant narcissism can be to multiple generations of a family. Thankfully, Megan avoided that poison. Bless you both ❤❤
@@bonnylouwho76 I’ve suspected the same & agree that many survivors become hyper vigilant in protecting others. Hope this finds you doing well & happy!
It's not just narcissistic behavior it's Man made Religions that have a certain way women are taught how they are to behave,the L ori was a sneaky woman she put on the good little religious woman but learned how to manipulate everyone to have her true nature of who she was.
Such a powerful interview. Megan is so brave to break through the layers of family delusions & dysfunction. Its very apparent listening to her how much self work she has done, her wisdom & insight & clarity is profound. This is the only way to break cycles of generational abuse for future generations. We can al, learn from Megan 🙏💙
I went NC with my family of origin to break this unhealthy and dangerous cycle! Instinctively knew to keep them away from my kids before I even knew what I was dealing with.
Given the number of deaths around Lori and Chad, I always wondered about the circumstances around the deaths of Stacey and Lolly, how they factored into things. It takes courage to face all of this. Megan, I appreciate your insight and growth.
This is the best & most revealing interview so far. Lori was a psychopath then even as a teenager because she was all onboard with & laughing at killing the cat. How horrible for Megan. I have read that kids killing or torturing animals is one of the first signs of being a psychopath. I have 2 brothers who did that & are. OK, on to the rest of this interview......Wow, Megan--you are a wonderful person. I'm glad that you are recovering from the family. Thanks Lauren.
Totally 💯 agree. Her reaction to the killing of the cat at a young age is extremely telling. This explains how she could also do the same to innocent children later in her life. She just needed her equal - a partner in crime as demented as her, to create the perfect storm for her to blossom into the full fledged monster she is today. I’m still sick about the cat 😢
OMG! This has got to be one of the strongest, most brave and introspective trauma victims I have ever seen. My daughter is a Therapist and she has talked about EMDR therapy and how effective it can be. I kind of just ignored her and did the “ I see your lips moving but yada yada yada”. Obviously i need to have her explain it again and pay attention. I am so impressed with Megan’s insight into her family dynamics and her ability to process it rationally.
I am a trauma victim and I was pursuing my psychological science degree which helped me figure out what was wrong with my family as I always knew even as a little girl that it wasn't normal. Like it wasn't normal for my gather to say that he hated me at age 9 or for my mom to be thrown from moving cars by my father. It was the reason I studied Psychology, to begin with. With I went to a psychotherapist this year for EMDR therapy. My life has already changed I can hold a full-time job now as a Food technologist which I couldn't before. My GP had me take another mental health written to tear and my scores are normal now when 7 months ago they were extremely severe with CPtSd. I changed my major from Psychological Science to Biomedical Science which I believe was a trauma attachment to understand or my brain to make sense of everything. I still plan to work with trauma people once I am done healing my own. I will become a peer counsellor
@@DaughterOfGod247 Good for you, I am so encouraged and moved by your success. Stuffing years of trauma away and trying to build some kind of positive real understanding of life and relationships on top of one locked door after another can be so frustrating. It often makes me wonder if what i am seeing and understanding is real based on my life experience or if I am seeing everything through a mountain of widows and doors where little light can pass through.
Put up a veneer for the outside to see. Don’t question, mind your P’s and Q’s Look the other way. No wonder, so many families are dysfunctional. Sadly, not so uncommon. Bless anyone that can move beyond their family, in order, to heal. Not easy to be odd man out.
I'd love to know any of your experiences with EMDR. It has been presented to me by a couple of therapists in the past. I had one session with a therapist that I did not care for at the beginning, but I tried it out, and I became so anxious that I had to stop. But I've heard great things about it. Good luck.
What a brave woman you are, Megan. I can't imagine your courage. I became estranged from several members of my family due to abuse much less horrible than this, and the emotional trauma from that nearly destroyed me.
Hugs, Megan! I'm not Mormon. These same things happen in non Mormon families and many people are damaged. I want to welcome you to the community of those of us living in reality. Its not always easy to tell our truth, especially when it alienates us from those we love. But you have a lot of support out here if you want to tap into it. You are not alone!
Feel it's necessary for me to state, your early teen memories... That's what I was talking about. Not many people deal with what you're going through in these recent years. We all need to build our tribe. Hugs again, I'm so sorry for your losses.
Um. I grew up in a very dsysfunctional family. No babies died. No kids disappeared. People didn’t get shot or died mysteriously. So. No. Not usual in most families.
@@AnotherOpinionatedIdiot Exactly!! it was not her wedding, I think Lori was jealous because she did not have a wedding for her first two marriages but eloped, she is a very mean spirited person.....
Just ran across this interview & thank you for having Megan on the show! EMDR is powerful therapy that really works & it’s wonderful! I’m so glad she was able to use that therapy to process through things!
This is absolutely the best interview, along with your interview with Heather Daybell. Megan is so eloquent and straightforward in her interview, and because of her raw honesty, I feel like I have a much better understanding of these damaging family dynamics. I feel like there is so much more going on with this family! I also feel this trial is only just scratching the surface…..
It is always evident when someone has done difficult process work around childhood and family systems, but what really strikes me about this person (Megan Conners) is how willing she is to be truly honest. She comes across without drama or exaggeration, but with authentic emotion. For me, that's an indicator of a person's sincerity - they just try to be rigorously honest (in conversation, they pause and reflect; they make seemingly small corrections; they are graceful and fair). What incredible courage! Megan is an inspiration and even a hero to anyone watching her (to me, for sure) as she navigates this. Thank you for speaking out!
A truly remarkable interview. It has, I believe, filled in all the gaps I had in fully understanding the dynamics and motivations behind this tragic story, having followed it closely since the children first went missing. Megan has clearly done a huge amount of work to come to this place and I commend her bravery and thank her for sharing this with us.
This is an insightful and profoundly moving interview. I applaud Megan Conner for her honesty and clarity; she is a very courageous woman. I share her skepticism about Alex's claim of self defence. I thought it was an implausible explanation, given Charles was shot in the chest and a bullet went through him into the floor. Today I discovered Charles was shot 4 times at close range. It's obvious Charles was murdered in cold blood. Ruling the cause of death as self defence makes the police complicit in this heinous crime.
I agree with you 💯 If Law Enforcement would have investigated Charles murder like it should have been Alex and Lori would have been arrested, and Tylee and JJ would be alive.
I hope their investigation into Charles’s death is investigated! It could have been stopped that night or even earlier if they had believed Charles when he asked for help!
This is so sad. I am sixty years old and I went through alot of the same things with a girl in my family who never could do anything wrong even though she did EVERYTHING wrong. I have been on the cold shoulder end and have carried those feelings around my whole life. This is almost therapy for me just listening because there has been so much that was too hard for me to deal with. Thank you for sharing this.
Ahhh, you’ve been the scapegoat in the narcissistic family system. And the horrible girl was the golden child. Truth-tellers usually end up as the scapegoat, and the campaign of derision against them serves to unite and galvanize the narcissistic family members.
Kudos to Megan for doing the interview. I wish her peace in her continued healing journey and am so glad EMDR & other therapy has been helping. It’s a lot of work developing healthy boundaries when trained in a family where that wasn’t afforded to you.
Thank you Megan for doing this interview. It was very brave of you to put yourself out there❣️ Your an amazing and intelligent woman! Your interview was very enlightening! Thank you again for helping us understand the Cox dynamics.
Thank you, Megan, for your honesty and insight. It explains so much who/what makes up the person of Lori. May you continue to be blessed in your life, family and future.
I’ve had a theory, and after watching this interview, I am even more convinced that there was abuse in Lori’s life and that’s why she accused Joe of sexually abusing Tylee. I think by accusing Joe, she was indirectly, drawing attention to the possibility that her father was the abuser in her life.
I understand where you are coming from........Her dad Barry paid for breast augmentation (implants) so she can do the Beauty Pageant in Texas.........🥺
Interesting! Also, have you heard an interview with Alex Cox's ex wife? She had said that when she was married to Alex, she used get so disturbed and angry with the way Lori and Alex's relationship was--very sexual jokes and inappropriate behavior between brother and sister. It seems to line up with what Megan is saying here too with Lori's family dynamics. I would be wondering the same things Megan said "Lori is 13..WHERE is she getting this stuff from?"
There is a strange cycle with sexual abuse in families, where a child is physically but not sexually abused often becomes a sexual abuser, then wash and repeat. Folks who get help and break these cycles are very brave and to be commended.
@@laurieclarkson9180 seems like I read or heard their parents were very sexual and inappropriate in front of the children, and public. The dad had gone to prison for something.
No matter what walk of life we come from, narcissistic parents raise the perfect victims... until we are NOT. I do combos of breath work for my trauma, and listen to I am affirmations while I sleep to reprogram my hardwiring. I would totally hang with you, and support you during this time. You are amazing. Bug hugs sis
I had a curiosity about Lori's family and I found this interview fascinating. I had t pause the interview when the Cox family photo came up so I could study it. This has to be my favorite person interviewed.
This is the best interview. This woman is so well spoken and she’s able to describe everything perfectly. I am so sorry for all that she has been through and I’m happy that she is getting help. Thank you for speaking up as it helps us understand a lot about this family.
Thank you so much Megan for sharing your story & Lauren for bringing this interview to us. It has been insightful and assisted me in understanding the family dynamics more. I'm honored that Meghan would be comfortable to share this with us.
Growing up LDS and subsequently leaving, there are so many things that resonate with my own experiences. When she talks about her family culture being a microcosm of church culture is spot on. Megan sheds so much light on how this whole thing just organically grew from a seed and became something awful.
It is a cult not a church. Jesus died to set us free and not to condemn people . If people in a group are telling you how to live or act, and if you don't follow what this person says you are going to hell, that is a cult. Read your Bible and throw away Mr Smiths book. Mr Smith was just an ordinary man. Get away from his lies and seek truth and have a true relationship with Jesus.
She's done an excellent job of conveying her confusion about the direct contradictions between talking and doing. She's showing how this created confusion and harm for the kids growing up in it and at the same time a safe haven for sexual predators.
“She was sweet and all American mom… unless you disagreed with her or criticized her or stood in the way of her getting what she wanted. Then she was vicious.” Just denied the superficial charm of a narcissist. Nailed it. I have absolutely known people like this and it’s scary what they get away with, especially when they’re pretty. If Lori wasn’t a pretty, white, blond girl, these kids would still be alive because someone would have listened to Charles.
Yes if she was fat and ugly the kids would still be alive cause even after they killed Charles when the police is interviewing Lori at the crime scene all he focused on was how blond she and Tylie were. Exasperating!!!!
I remember seeing a video of the police going to Lori’s house about something she was possibly in trouble for and man, she shamelessly turned on a performance to manipulate these 2 cops and she practically had them in the palm of her hand after a few minutes. For me it was so cringy to watch.
This has to be one of the most sensitive , courageous and authentic interviews I have listened to and I thank you both. My heart goes out to you Megan and I hope you continue on your healing journey with the love and support of those around you and wish you happiness in your future.
wow. looks powerful. i'm glad the authentic and dignified way you both present has lead to people trusting and sharing these difficult personal moments
Wow! I was not LDS, but in many ways, I can really relate to much of what Megan experienced growing up. Thank you, Megan, for sharing your experience. I was in my late 30's early 40's before I realized I had no boundaries. Safe relationships have been very difficult for me to find. In my 60's, I have just decided not to be in one. I feel safer and more in control of my life.
🎯Here too… on all points. Though it took me until my 50s to realize I was unable to identify and enforce boundaries in a healthy way. And it may have taken me until this very moment to understand that means I have no safe relationships. I genuinely appreciate your insight. 🌸
Thank you for this interview. Megan is a deeply insightful and intelligent human being and an incredibly brave Survivor. I appreciate her honesty and her willingness to share her experiences with the public to help us better understand the dynamics at play for such crimes to have been committed.
This interview is amazing...what an incredible insight to the Cox family dynamics. Thanks for sharing your story Megan Conner, it is very brave of you.
Those last few words about the family and if they would’ve done something after Charle’s murder the children may still be alive made me tear up. So true! Families make fatal mistakes when trying to protect their secrets and it never ends well. So so sorry Charles couldn’t save those children. He tried and died because of it. 😢
@@CaliGirl305 I agree. The night he went to Lori's house to find the kids, he had his Mormon Bishop with him. That Bishop never came forward to give a statement after Charles was murdered.
Dee Max something should have done something BEFORE Charles was murdered!! When he was trying to get police to do something and they wouldn't!! If only he'd have just left with the children, even if police wouldn't listen!!
This was absolutely healing, relatable and important THANK YOU for sharing such a personal story and sharing your past , Megan is a strong, beautiful brave woman.
I know Megan personally… and went through some of this w her at the time 3 years ago… trust me… she is authentic to her core and has weathered a lot and is a rock star of a person. This is an amazing interview and I hope will lead to more mainstream opportunities
I’m proud of you, to set healthy boundaries. I had to teach my parents how I wanted to be treated as an adult. I detached with love, until they learned how to treat me. Thank you lord we ended up having a beautiful relationship. They both died in my house of Alzheimer’s & heart failure. I was able to take care of them . It took a lot of tears and prayers but people can change . Healthy boundaries are very important. Sending you prayers, what your doing is needed .
Yes, much of the time getting healthy boundaries for ourselves also means telling others what we need. Many from past generations haven't a clue. Life was too hard as it was without dealing with such 'trivial things' like what's good for the soul etc. So teaching them becomes our job often. Glad you had time with your parents. I'm 45 and driving across Canada in 2 months with my partner to move closer to my mom who's getting older. We don't have forever, and only get one chance as kids to feel OK with aging parents. So, your message was timely.
I watched an interview with Joe Ryan's lawyer and what he went through in the custody battle with his only daughter. Lori did what she could to keep Tylee away from her dad; and it destroyed him, literally to his early death. Which the lawyer 100% believes his death had everything to do with Alex putting the stun gun to his heart a few years earlier. Very sad how many lives Lori destroyed!
That's if they didn't poison Joe or something like that. I don't think there was any investigation and if there was they need to know what poison to look for to find one.
Well, her son Colby told Lori that Joe Ryan was sexually abusing him. Colby even admits this now. So if that's true, I would also fight hard to make sure that none of my children were around a pedophile.
@@farmerinthedells How can you possibly know that? Don't try to lionize anybody. These kind of family systems tend pull everybody in and make them complicit in some way, which is why family members will often close ranks and protect whoever got caught. I'd avoid calling an adult reporting childhood SA a liar. It happens sometimes, but it's rare. Why is it important to you to make Joe Ryan a hero at the cost of distorting what might be the truth?
@@farmerinthedells Exactly. Lori told Colby repeatedly that she had rescued him from his abuser. He grew up believing her, and he just echoes what she told him. Lori didn't care who she destroyed to get her way.
I grew up in a very, very similar family dynamic and religion, and she explains what it's like very, very well. In the one I grew up in, boys grew up just like all the other boys, but girls were held under a microscope. I've had to go through my own healing also. It's has been so hard. I feel for you so much Megan.
What an accurate way to put it, the difference in how boys get a free pass and girls, not so much. Exemplified in the LDS belief that men will become gods, ruling over their own planet but women will remain subservient for all eternity. And this is considered paradise, lol. But this kind of system is present in all patriarchal religions to some extent.
This should have more views. This is crucial for understanding to how big extent we are driven by our families and how important is to getaway from a dysfunctional one to a safer place. Safer not only to ourselves but also to those who surround us in our future. Amassing testimony! Thank you!
As an outsider, it also explains to me a little more about the political right in the US and why they can be so supportive of a demagogue. For many who have been brought up in that life, it would seem, a demagogue is an extension of their own families and lives within the church.
Megan did another interview on the Mormon Stories Podcast where she really opened up in depth about Lori, Alex and many dark details like Stacy’s death. Thank you for this interview, I hope everything is alright with Lauren, it feels like she’s not really interested/there with her thoughts or something bothering her.
Phenomenal interview. Lauren once again you are so good at your job this seems like a natural conversation between two long time friends. Both of you ladies are so smart and intuitive, and I hope this interview helps Megan find some solace with every comment that is in support of both her decision & experiences. It’s very difficult to break generational trauma cycles, and stand up in the face of adversary, especially when the adversary everything you have ever known. Megan should be so proud of herself for standing up for both herself and ultimately one of the only family members who stood up for the children.
I usually watch and listen and give my thumbs up. I don’t leave comments because someone and everyone already said everything that I would say. This time, though… this is, to me, so horribly awful what Megan has lived through and still overcoming. I spent half the time crying and the other half feeling realizing that my disfunctional family was not and that I had a pretty great childhood. I want the strength and bravery that Megan has and want to give her a huge hug. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Megan, wishing you healing and comfort. What a trial for this entire family. Thank you for speaking out. This confirms the nature vs nurture influences and level of CRAZY we’re seeing as this plays out.
prayers out to her .. i have so much respect for this woman for bringing herself to be able to not only discuss but in public her story with the world is nothing short of amazing...this will help someone in the future no doubt. REST IN HEAVEN JJ and Tylee
Law enforcement should have taken what Charles was trying to tell them about Lori more seriously. Maybe things would have turned out differently. This case is heartbreaking. So many individuals lives have been altered or changed in such a devastating way their lives will never be the same. I hope Lori and Chad are found guilty and are held accountable for the evil crimes they have committed. Great guest Thank you 😊.
@@GuilhermeM-cd4gz he did. He was there to see his son. Or did I misunderstand you? They were separated, but he paid for the house he was killed in to ensure JJ had a stable home, since madam hairdresser didn't work. Charles loved his son. You cannot place this bs at his feet. The police fucked this up, full stop. The perpetrator is dead, so they're stuck with sloppy seconds. I'm not impressed with them at all.
@@GuilhermeM-cd4gz Charles did leave, he moved to a whole other state, "Texas"........Lori and Alex planned to kill him when he picked up JJ......... Lori knew Charles was not going to bring JJ back ( her meal ticket) ....Charles had planned to return JJ back to Kay and Larry on a part time basis because he did a lot of traveling for work.....Kay and Larry was going to help him Co-Parent JJ,......by this point Charles was all for the Divorce going through and Lori knew this......She also knew if divorced she would not be entitled to the $1 million dollar life insurance, boy was she surprised when she found out even dead, she would not entitled to Charles $1 million dollar life insurance. However, she was entitled to be benefactor of the Social Security benefits since JJ was a minor ( only if charles was dead) I heard she was racking in over $6,000 a month in Social Security benefits even after both kids were dead.....Lori is pure evil......
@@cjstory8418 Exactly, I don't get it but they did not even check baseball bat for fingerprints ......or check prior reports of Charles saying Lori was going to kill him.
It took Megan a lot of strength and healing to be able to give this interview. She is so well spoken about enmeshed families and the control they have over your life. Thank you, Megan, for your insight into this case. Thank you, Lauren, for this interview and for making HTC a safe space for all to come and share of themselves.
Megan, thank you for sharing your stories. I know how painful to have to re-live those experiences. Your interview and literally every experience you shared about Lori, the LDS family dynamics, especially the story about Lori dragging you with her to meet a boy and hooking you up with his buddy so you weren't the "3rd" wheel and the swim suit experience, I lived those same horrible experiences. I was so confused and felt so dumb always stumbling in things that are forbidden by the Church. Please know you are not alone. I walked away from my family and the church because I was tired of being obedient for all the wrong reasons. Sending my love. You are so strong. Thank you for being that voice for "THE SILENT". How many times I wished I could yell at the top of the mountain "hear me"! You did that for me Thank you.
Ok, I listened to Summers testimony and THE phone call before watching this interview. I hope that she is proud of Summer for her confrontation of Lori. Summer said all the right things and after watching this interview it seems that was not what was expected. I feel for you and this interview was very admirable.
Courageous and intense! Her story about the cat show us a first glimpse at Lori’s disregard for animals. Precursor to other killings typical of sociopath. Lauren, I was so impressed by your kind and caring interviewing skills. So many journalists could learn a lot from you. Thank you.
This interview was the best so far as to put unanswered questions to rest. Megan is very brave and honest in telling her story. You are a champion in my eyes. There are so many layers to this family. Thank you Lauren for making this available; not just for information, but for trying to understand ourselves and others better. This journey we called life is hard enough, but the truth really does set people free. Thank you. ❤
From the moment I saw the interview with Janice, Lori's Mum, I knew what kind of a parent she is. I'm not surprised by Megan's story, though I am sorry for what she's been through, and clearly the Coxes have a lot to answer for. If they had listened to Charles, he and the children might be alive today. Thank you Megan, and thank you Lauren for giving us insights into Lori's life and character. And I wish you both well.
A lot of strange stuff: Alex Cox sought out Megan so he could "discover" Stacys coma . The family was conveniently away during Stacys coma and chose not to return from Hawaii for days while she lay dying. Then Alex maxed out Stacys credit cards
I’m so impressed by Megan’s interview. You can tell she has been traumatized but, she is talking about it to help others. Lauren, I love the way you treat your guest with respect and kindness. This was a very emotional interview. Megan is so strong! ❤
This is one of the best interviews I’ve seen, it gives so much insight into who Lori is. I feel horrible for what Megan dealt with growing up with that horror show. Lori is just disgusting and none of this surprises me whatsoever. Such a respectful interviewer too.
I was shocked that Lori could be so selfish as to not give a f*** about Megans wedding. She purposely chose blue dresses (low cut and showing cleavage) to exert her control over the situation with no other concern but herself, and how sexy she looked.
@@tamaraelsberry6630 Lori and her Dad sound pretty identical. Very disturbing family dynamics, but honestly, I do not care at all what Lori went through, she doesn’t deserve one once of sympathy. She has clearly always been a psychopath. Megan was treated so badly by Lori, it’s just disgusting. Megan is an incredible person so wise and thoughtful.
@@shannonharrison768 me? If so, I appreciate that, that’s very kind. I work in mental health so I’ve seen a lot of dysfunction, but nothing like Lori. Thankfully.
Hello, after watching this and hearing you (Lauren AND Megan) talk about sharing survival stories, that hope and recovery is possible, that sharing your story is BRAVE... I want to share my story too, because I need for my kids and I to be able to start our journey of healing (we've been suffering the repercussions of the crimes that were committed against us since 2020) it just feels impossible. We weren't even given the option of a victim statement when my stepbrother was sentenced to five years federal prison in January of this year (2023). I wish we could share our story.
She should be a witness. Lori knew exactly what she was doing and thought she would get away with it, she always has. Chad was throwing out the ideas and Lori latched on to them in the hope of getting everything she wanted. She was stroking his ego and telling him everything to do. He lapped it up. I also think everyone of the people who were texting about Tammy, Brandon, Tylee and JJ being possessed and needing to die should be charged with conspiracy to murder. Isn't that what Lori is charged with? If she's guilty then they all should be. Arizona should prosecute them as well for Charles. There's much more evidence in that case to get convictions.
Melani Gibb is guilty she was drinking the kool aid until she thought they were trying to throw her under the bus by saying JJ was with her in Arizona.......Melani was the friend that helped Lori move Charles car from the airport and throw all his clothes away and withdrew large amount of money from his bank account.......Melani knew at this time Lori was seeing Chad on the side and saying stuff like Charles is a dark spirit named Ned Schneider and she did not do anything about it, even went to the police station with Lori and Tylee for Lori can do a psychiatric evaluation........and saw how Lori lied about Charles having an affaire 🙄
Thank you and especially Megan for such great insight during this interview. Couldn’t stop myself from crying and it was very touching what she said about Adam. I have always felt the same about him after seeing his interview. But he is so rarely mentioned for seeing what Charles saw, standing beside Charles and speaking out against the his parents and siblings. The bravery that took.
That is one very special human being. If you ever read this Megan, I'm so sorry for all the things, and as one survivor who's been down a similar recovery road to you, thank you for letting other people know (and I say it too) that it is possible to heal and be whole again. Recovery is incredibly hard work, but recovering from it is not as hard as living through it in the first place was, and we survived that too. I wish you the very best.
Not sure if you’re reading the comments Megan but if you are….bless you for doing the hard work of therapy to figure this stuff out. Thank you for helping the rest of us to understand what happened. You seem amazingly wise and strong for being able to process through all of this. 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏
Megan, your thoughts and remembrances of Stacey is very moving and touching. Thank you for your interview, dear and my wishes for your continued healing and recovery.
This is the most interesting and informative interview I’ve ever heard about Lori Vallow. Megan is so articulate and perceptive and I thank her for sharing.
Lauren. I love how you ask a question and then just listen and let them finish. So many interviewers get impatient and interrupt but you are a cut above the rest. Thanks for this powerful interview.
Am very impressed with Megan for having the strength and the courage to tell her story and to realize that vulnerability is the way to healing. Shame and secrecy are the enemy. Good for her!! She goes on to say that her “gut” feeling was that the kids were no longer alive, while Julie Rowe, the self-proclaimed gifted visionary says she “sees” the kids alive and well. Reality versus delusion. Reality always wins because the truth is the truth. I really believe that Lori kept up this facade of externality because she knew what she lacked internally.
Meagan is so absolutely beautiful inside and out. She has integrity,morals and standards. Thankyou Meagan for sharing your life with us. Its helped me to know we are all in the same situation at some point in life.I admire your courage and strength.
What an excellent interview!! Lauren you do a fantastic job of asking relevant, insightful and some difficult questions in a non-threatening, gentle manner. Then allow your guest time and a safe space to provide her answers as well as listen to what she says! This interview clarified much about how Lori’s family dynamics and culture influenced where she’s at today. Not an excuse for her choices, however helpful in understanding how her actions could have been affected. Thank you both!
Outstanding interview, glad you got to sit down with Megan to get some FACTS. Shame that the Church has been heading south since President Hinkley passed away. It used to be fun and not so judgemental as they are now. PS- this is your best interview yet, IMHO... well done!
Thank you for this raw and informational interview. What a brave woman to be so candid and help us all to make sense of what happened to bring on this horrible tragedy. I wish her much healing and comfort in her life.
Thanks so much for opening up and sharing your life experiences and insights Megan . I think it was quite brave and independent of you to speak out . What you shared seemed to be told from a very thoughtful, honest and kind perspective. You’ve clearly done a lot of work in understanding the LDS church and it’s influence on its members and your family system ,and I found your family stories and insights informative and intriguing. Thanks again for doing this interview . I hope you continue to heal and find peace in your life and family relationships . I believe you’ll find it with your even minded observances of life and kindness in your understanding of others .
What an incredible interview! Thank you, Lauren, for bringing this to us, and thank you Megan for your courage to speak out. Your insights were so enlightening.
That was a tremendous interview. Such a well spoken and thoughtful woman. I am LDS, and though my family has its share of problems, my life is better because of my faith. I wish that was her story.
Thank you for posting. I am not LDS but I do think it’s important to remember that any religion can have members that use religion to excuse their behavior. Doesn’t mean everyone in that religion believe the same.
I also wish she had a positive experience with her religion since it was such a big part of her life. Or I wish it wasn't a part of her life at all & was replaced with the things that make most people's lives feel fulfilled & joyous. She seems like such a sweetheart, and people should look back on their childhoods fondly, regardless of the activities that are important to their parents. I didn't have a religious upbringing & I'm extremely thankful for that. I look back on so much fun & happiness with friends, it's hard to hear about kids having the childhood memories she does.
This was an extremely insightful interview. I'm glad I didn't hear this until after the trials of both Lori and Chad, it made it all come together in a small way.
That was very touching what Megan said about Stacy coming to her in her dream. She said it was just her head and I was so moved because I had my sister who had passed away. I was just her head like in the corner of the room talking to me and I was talking to her and it was so clear the message she gave me. When I woke up in the morning, I knew that wasn’t a dream that it was a message from my sister.
I do think people like you and Megan, who don’t carry your dreams and visions like banners, are credible… and aren’t the same as people like Chad, Lori, Julie Rowe, et al, who use them like currency and peddle them for dollars and power.
What a truly beautiful and hope provoking story for all of us who lost our loved ones, and still seek contact and closeness with them. God bless you and your healing journey. Your sister is always right behind you and in front of you😊
This interview was STELLER! Thanks you for doing such a great job....and thank you to megan too.... wow...she really pulled us in and it brings so much inderstanding to this case. Thank you both for representing truth! Y'all are both gorgeous too!
Lauren, you are the epitome of a true journalist, love how you respect the interviewee without being invasive, yet engaging to make them feel comfortable. ❤️
Thank you, Megan, for sharing this with us. I admire your courage to leave the LDS. Also, for placing healthy barriers to give yourself time to heal, as well as to gain the tools you needed to cope with the dynamics of your upbringing. I appreciate your honesty and integrity, and I think you are a very good person. I hope your family can heal from all of this. Stay strong.
I always find it odd the death of Joe Ryan is left out and wonder if he was another victim, Alex had gotten out of jail years ago for tazing him, hated him, said he wanted to provoke him into justified killing (he saved that for Charles months later) Tylee would get $3,000 in SS monthly, we know Lori wanted the $$ and for her to keep collecting Tylee had to be gone, just like JJ would get the same survivors benefits $$. Joe Ryan who she made so many claims against, when she wanted out of that marriage to be with Charles just suddenly dies 7 months before Charles, is left in his Texas home for weeks with the heat turned up, decaying, can’t find a cause of death….was he Alex’s first? Why is no one looking into him?
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Thank you! All your interviews are very insightful! I appreciate your (and Dr. John's) work very much and admire your investment in this investigation. Not that it matters much but after seeing few comments - I fully agree with his "aha moment"; i think that is exactely what Lori is thinking. It does not justify her horrendous plans and actions or dimishes the fact she premeditated them.
Thank you, kudos, be well and safe🙏🏼 greetings from Belgium❤
Omg!what a unbelievable way of family life to be involved with to be growing up in.The outside for other's to see got to perfect in everything.theses people are worst than Italian mafia ,you got to asked b4 taken a life +never kid's +never touching. Putting your hands on anybody the the wrong ways...+to be a member of any church makeing you feel you must be perfect ,there's no sutch thing it's impossible to be perfect ,,There was only one person that was perfect on this earth. His name is JESUS CHRIST we are not to follow a man ,a vision that Joseph Smith. Had. No matter who stands in the pulpit, we are to search scriptures from original king James Bible we are to seek out our own salvation,GOD gives us free will, your choice.,/ isn't Ironic that Janice+Barry didn't want anyone to know any wrong,s that was totally egnored,Here we are now listening from menny people. Who+ what this family was truely about.in there appearances being said you are the prettiest of all people,Ironically Janice,Lorie,Barry. beauty is gone.You can't hide from GOD or wrong act,s. TRUTH. will always come..
I just listened to these over the weekend while I worked. I thought the deep dives on the psychologist aspects were fascinating. I grew up in home with a narcissist parent, so not only were these episodes helpful in understanding this case, it also helped me process my own experiences a bit more. I went to therapy for years, so I'm not doing therapy by YT by any stretch. lol. But understanding it all is kind of a continual unfolding of information, and those episodes unfolded a bit more for.
The Cox family sounds like they’re all in a state of arrested development.
Awesome interview!!! She is so brave to share her story! ❤️🙏🏼
It seems like Lori never suffered from the cognitive dissonance of being religious but drinking, being religious but lying, being religious but having premarital sex, being religious but being spiteful, being religious but committing adultery, being religious but being malicious and hateful, and finally, being religious but being a serial killer. It’s narcissism dialed up to a million.
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Well said. I agree with you a 💯 percent.
yes yes yesssssssssssssssssssssss
I understand your point. But trust me, being religious and having a real genuine relationship with Jesus, LORD and Savior are TWO completely different things. Religion tends to get in the way of the real, true, point...
Bingo! You said it!
The truth teller in a family suffers the most. Been there, and I applaud you for taking care of yourself.
Yes ❤
Sadly, you're exactly right. But the truth speakers and the sufferers are the ones that will ultimately inherit the most in the end.
@@honorafox4709 Yes, I was able to turn fear and distrust into a sort of freedom. Thanks for understanding.
Same with me. Going no contact is the only solution
@@frannyy9309
I agree. Thats me
Retired detective here. I remember watching the first documentary about this case, seeing and hearing Janice, I could tell that image has always been everything and that nothing is off limits just so long as it doesn’t affect the family’s image and no one talks about it. Later I heard Alex’s first wife talk about his creepy relationship with Lori; and was convinced that there was a history of sexual abuse in that family. This sweet lady’s account of the pubic hair advice is a huge indicator known as age inappropriate sexual knowledge. She confirms my suspicions. These messed up people were created by the father’s perversion and the mother’s denial and willful blindness. They’ll meet Alex and Lori in Hell.
Yay, hell!! lol
They also had a middle child named Adam. He hasn't come forth with a lot of information from what I've seen. But the sexual abuse seems pretty obvious.
Totally agree. Seems they fooled quite a lot of people.
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Agree. A lot of people were messed up because of the crazy Cox family.
Coming from a Catholic family that is extremely dysfunctional, while we didn’t protect murders, we did protect child molesters. This woman has done her work to break cycles. I appreciate your insight.
I can't understand why the Catholic Church does not allow the priests to marry? In the Greek Orthodox Church the priest must be married before he is ordained!!
@@nitsakalkinis4135 it is a long story having to do with a lot of bad choices by married priests and lust for money and power. When Luther wrote his famous thesis, part of the reformation to address the corruption in order reduce corruption was to require priests to be celibate. That is the simple very condensed version of the whole story and clearly it wasn’t a good solution.
@Nitsa Kalkinis if I may. It has nothing to do with marriage. These men molest children. If it was about the sexually intimacy they would be with adult woman
My last name is Jewish but I'm from a very large, strict Catholic family (originally). The Great Grand Parents, Grand Parents, were definitely old Vatican Shame. So, even though we were not as naive and frightened as this girl, but the "we don't talk about it" and no way did our parents talk like that is plain SHOCK VALUE. DISGUSTING.
Not all Mormons protect murderers either
I was overwhelmed by the courage shown by Megan and by the clarity that this interview has brought to my understanding of the dynamics involved in this enormous tragedy. I 'stumbled' across this video, but within the first few minutes I knew I would sit through to the end. And I will probably watch it at least one more time. Thank you, Megan, and bless you on your personal journey.
Amazing statement by Megan: "If the family had held Lori and Alex accountable for the death of Charles, Tylee and JJ (and even Tammy) might still be alive."
Lori was sexually abused by her dad
The family AND the police! They really dropped the ball massively investigating them after Charles’s death. And after all their bungling, trying her and convicting her for Charles death will be difficult at best.
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Well, it wouldn't have hurt, but the folly is with Gilbert Police and Chandler police of the absolute disgusting Arizona police department and disgusting lack of concern and training. Blame and Shame on them.
Megan is extremely intruitiv
Love Lauren’s style of interviewing. Never injecting her own opinion . She allows the guest to speak unimpeded and asks great questions that are not accusatory, allowing the guest to feel comfortable. Thank you Lauren.
And always thanking them for expressing themselves ❤️❤️
Unlike Banfield refuse to watch one more minute of her she's worse than Nancy Grace. Im glad these new podcasts are getting more traffic than them maybe N.N will get smart and phase out Banfield. Its weird because shes chill when filmed at home and on podcasts, then on N.N. she interrupts everyone. Rant over sorry
Exactly. Lauren always manages to keep calm, respectful, very infesting ❤
Seriously though, many famous journalists and interviewers could learn a lot from Lauren. She’s phenomenal.
absolutely . very calm and nice to follow I am very happy to had found this interview it was almost a healing for myself
I LOVE that she is literally the ONLY one in this family that is willing to tell the truth and be honest about things and doesn't think Lori the mom of the year "changed overnight". (Summer and mom are delusional) Adam spoke up somewhat but didn't delve into the toxicity of the whole family. Good for her
👍Though on the periphery, Heather Daybell is delivering similar insights on the Daybell family.
I'm so grateful she had hard core therapy! It's not easy & she came out stronger on the other side. That's how she's able to share!
You should listen to the Heather Daybell interviews- there's TWO who will tell the truth- thank goodness!
Most people have zero interest in being on any sort of a program.
Colby speaks the truth too.
Holy smokes Megan, I’m exmormon and out of my family system too but even beyond that GEEZ LOUISE we have had VERY SIMILAR experiences and families, thank you so much for sharing, it did my heart good to hear how strong you are!!! Way to go sister!!! 💎✨
Megan- thank you so much for your willingness to share your experiences. You seem like a very mentally and emotionally healthy person, and I am so sorry you had to experience the things you did. As a mother of a twelve year old daughter, it makes me so sad that you were put in such awful situations at such a young age. You’ve got support here!! All the best to you! ❤️
Ditto. ❤
Same here too, Megan. All the best for you! ❤
I think Megan is beautiful and so graceful...inside and out.
Wow. It is so refreshing to hear someone talk truth about this beast of a woman. What Megan describes of Lori is exactly the type of woman I imagined her to be. A phoney mean girl.
Me, too. Very well put.
A mean girl, a BRAT, a sociopath!!!!
Right. Obsessed with her appearance and hyper sexuality. Weirdo.
I was SA by an uncle. My grandmother found out and told me not to tell anybody because of what could happen. So I was silent for 30+ years. Secrets in a family is not healthy! How ever painful it is, you have to create an environment that "you can tell me anything and everything is going to be okay". Secrets snowballs and creates consequences that you can't imagine.
❤ so sorry
I kept a secret of SA it all came out I should have spoken out years before.🙏🏽
In my family, police weren't generally involved, although we did have cops in our family. So, in the SA situations I know about, vengeance was exacted privately and ruthlessly.
When I was a kid, the secrets in my family, was deafening. And why my husband and I have always had an extremely open relationship with our kids. (Age appropriate at times, of course).
You are so right. Im so sorry that you had to go through that. It takes strength and courage to talk about that. God bless you.
Thank you so much for not censoring this woman. The weight of that F-bomb was poignant, precise, and so very telling. I am here for the real talk. Respect
Because it wasn’t used as a swear word
The cat story has me horrified. I can’t imagine being part of that as a teenager. Or an adult for that matter.
Early signs of being a sociopath.
I’m so sorry for all the trauma you’ve been through, Megan. Thank you for sharing this important part of the Cox story. It was very enlightening, while at the same shocking and troubling for us to hear.
That poor cat, just absolutely sickening Lori laughed at killing it and causing it pain. I’m not surprised at all, but I’m still horrified. She is clearly a psychopath. Her Dad sounds exactly like her too.
I love my cats so much.
@@river8760 Yeah. I am very fond of our cat, but even folks who don’t like cats don’t RUN OVER CATS. That is the behavior of a budding criminal.
An insight into how life was disposable to her. This may have been an animal but no concern whatsoever if this was someone's pet and the sorrow it might bring to others. She's a fullblown sociopath.
@@river8760 I'm glad I read this before listening to that part. Cats are such sweet, innocent creatures and nicer than a lot of people!
@@tamaraelsberry6630 ... I feel the same Tamara, l agree 💯! 🙏
I have to tell you Lauren, your interview with Megan was so gentle and kind. I was mesmerized and so incredibly impressed by the care you took to ensure Megan felt safe as she was sharing such powerful memories. (very therapist-esque! I'm sure Dr. Babe is impressed!) As I was listening, I also thought some of the Cox family reminds me of the Murdaugh's, minus the LDS/religiosity. The importance of appearances at all cost, no one talking about anything, family secrets, father participating in financial schemes, narcissism etc. Fascinating. SO well done. Honest to god, please keep doing what you are doing, there is nothing else like it out there!
Odd, Lori’s sister dies at parents home, while the rest of the family is in Hawaii. Doesn’t hurry back to see their daughter/sister.
Told Megan’s family they were planning a burial, then later finds out she was cremated.
A pattern that Lori would follow years later- Hawaiian Vaca, being far away when someone dies, Alex left behind becoming the family “fixer” and cremations. Strange.
Did parents collect Life Ins. on Stacy?
The old man, Barry, was an Insurance broker for a living!
Lori n alex ran around using her credit cards fraudulently.
I know this case front to back. Sister died from what could easily have been lori and/or alex oding her purposely on her insulin. I believe that was their first.
Likely showed them how to kill ty's dad and later how to kill self (alex)... looks like heart trouble, but it's poison
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Megan, I think you’re one of the most emotionally healthy people I’ve ever listened to. Thank you, Lauren, for this wonderful interview. Very insightful.
I agree about Megan. I salute Megan for telling her story. I cringe about Lauren's horrible ability to interview with any relevance.
@@andreafischer601 Wow. That's a toxic little add-on to your comment.
Listen to Heather Daybell's interview. You will see a very healthy, self aware, well spoken, and intelligent women!
@@andreafischer601 Go do karaoke then. You are a real star.
@@Gurl-5150 oh yes, that was really good!
I started this interview a year ago during Lori's trial. I just now finished it in the middle of Chad's trial. Megan is so wise. I'm touched by her courage and compassion. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Megan is a BEAUTIFUL PERSON!💝💝💝💝💝
Lauren, I learned about narcissism from you years ago. (It really helped me leave an abusive relationship!) This interview with Megan gives us insight into what happens when a father who is narcissistic raises a family. And the mother possibly, too. Certainly, the hyper focus on her appearance created disordered eating. Lori sounds narcissistic in the extreme. Like a sociopath. Or maybe she was born that way. But God help us! this story shows how damaging malignant narcissism can be to multiple generations of a family. Thankfully, Megan avoided that poison. Bless you both ❤❤
@@bonnylouwho76 I’ve suspected the same & agree that many survivors become hyper vigilant in protecting others. Hope this finds you doing well & happy!
It's not just narcissistic behavior it's Man made Religions that have a certain way women are taught how they are to behave,the L ori was a sneaky woman she put on the good little religious woman but learned how to manipulate everyone to have her true nature of who she was.
@@Kitty.57 Definitely
Great, accurate description @Cicely B
Nature and nurture
Such a powerful interview. Megan is so brave to break through the layers of family delusions & dysfunction. Its very apparent listening to her how much self work she has done, her wisdom & insight & clarity is profound. This is the only way to break cycles of generational abuse for future generations. We can al, learn from Megan 🙏💙
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I went NC with my family of origin to break this unhealthy and dangerous cycle! Instinctively knew to keep them away from my kids before I even knew what I was dealing with.
Given the number of deaths around Lori and Chad, I always wondered about the circumstances around the deaths of Stacey and Lolly, how they factored into things. It takes courage to face all of this. Megan, I appreciate your insight and growth.
Great question
This is the best & most revealing interview so far. Lori was a psychopath then even as a teenager because she was all onboard with & laughing at killing the cat. How horrible for Megan. I have read that kids killing or torturing animals is one of the first signs of being a psychopath. I have 2 brothers who did that & are. OK, on to the rest of this interview......Wow, Megan--you are a wonderful person. I'm glad that you are recovering from the family. Thanks Lauren.
I second this!!
Totally 💯 agree. Her reaction to the killing of the cat at a young age is extremely telling. This explains how she could also do the same to innocent children later in her life. She just needed her equal - a partner in crime as demented as her, to create the perfect storm for her to blossom into the full fledged monster she is today.
I’m still sick about the cat 😢
I certainly hope you let your brothers know in no in no uncertain terms to stop or you will report them? So sick 🤢
Cruelty to an innocent animal is
a sign that there is evil in her soul.
Only a short step toward killing a
human being.
@@annebalderston2520Totally 💯 agree. And yet she did! Makes me wonder how many more victims there could be throughout hers and Alex's life.
OMG! This has got to be one of the strongest, most brave and introspective trauma victims I have ever seen. My daughter is a Therapist and she has talked about EMDR therapy and how effective it can be. I kind of just ignored her and did the “ I see your lips moving but yada yada yada”. Obviously i need to have her explain it again and pay attention. I am so impressed with Megan’s insight into her family dynamics and her ability to process it rationally.
I am a trauma victim and I was pursuing my psychological science degree which helped me figure out what was wrong with my family as I always knew even as a little girl that it wasn't normal. Like it wasn't normal for my gather to say that he hated me at age 9 or for my mom to be thrown from moving cars by my father. It was the reason I studied Psychology, to begin with.
With I went to a psychotherapist this year for EMDR therapy. My life has already changed I can hold a full-time job now as a Food technologist which I couldn't before. My GP had me take another mental health written to tear and my scores are normal now when 7 months ago they were extremely severe with CPtSd.
I changed my major from Psychological Science to Biomedical Science which I believe was a trauma attachment to understand or my brain to make sense of everything.
I still plan to work with trauma people once I am done healing my own. I will become a peer counsellor
@@DaughterOfGod247 Good for you, I am so encouraged and moved by your success. Stuffing years of trauma away and trying to build some kind of positive real understanding of life and relationships on top of one locked door after another can be so frustrating. It often makes me wonder if what i am seeing and understanding is real based on my life experience or if I am seeing everything through a mountain of widows and doors where little light can pass through.
Put up a veneer for the outside to see.
Don’t question, mind your P’s and Q’s
Look the other way.
No wonder, so many families are dysfunctional. Sadly, not so uncommon.
Bless anyone that can move beyond their family, in order, to heal. Not easy to be odd man out.
I'd love to know any of your experiences with EMDR. It has been presented to me by a couple of therapists in the past. I had one session with a therapist that I did not care for at the beginning, but I tried it out, and I became so anxious that I had to stop. But I've heard great things about it. Good luck.
EMDR Therapy is amazing for PTSD. It is dramatic and results are faster than other therapies.👍🏻
What a brave woman you are, Megan. I can't imagine your courage. I became estranged from several members of my family due to abuse much less horrible than this, and the emotional trauma from that nearly destroyed me.
Hugs, Megan! I'm not Mormon. These same things happen in non Mormon families and many people are damaged. I want to welcome you to the community of those of us living in reality. Its not always easy to tell our truth, especially when it alienates us from those we love. But you have a lot of support out here if you want to tap into it. You are not alone!
Feel it's necessary for me to state, your early teen memories... That's what I was talking about. Not many people deal with what you're going through in these recent years. We all need to build our tribe. Hugs again, I'm so sorry for your losses.
Um. I grew up in a very dsysfunctional family. No babies died. No kids disappeared. People didn’t get shot or died mysteriously. So. No. Not usual in most families.
Megan, keep moving forward, no looking back, Never go back. Be Free !
Well said❤
I’ve learnt so much more from this amazing, strong woman. She has given so much insight into how Lori turned into who she is.
Wish the jury could hear this,
… “learnt?”
@@kimphillips4450 Come to learn, To be educated, to “Understand”.
To gain knowledge.. Learnt.
@@AnotherOpinionatedIdiot Exactly!! it was not her wedding, I think Lori was jealous because she did not have a wedding for her first two marriages but eloped, she is a very mean spirited person.....
Just ran across this interview & thank you for having Megan on the show! EMDR is powerful therapy that really works & it’s wonderful! I’m so glad she was able to use that therapy to process through things!
This is absolutely the best interview, along with your interview with Heather Daybell. Megan is so eloquent and straightforward in her interview, and because of her raw honesty, I feel like I have a much better understanding of these damaging family dynamics. I feel like there is so much more going on with this family! I also feel this trial is only just scratching the surface…..
It is always evident when someone has done difficult process work around childhood and family systems, but what really strikes me about this person (Megan Conners) is how willing she is to be truly honest. She comes across without drama or exaggeration, but with authentic emotion. For me, that's an indicator of a person's sincerity - they just try to be rigorously honest (in conversation, they pause and reflect; they make seemingly small corrections; they are graceful and fair). What incredible courage! Megan is an inspiration and even a hero to anyone watching her (to me, for sure) as she navigates this. Thank you for speaking out!
A truly remarkable interview. It has, I believe, filled in all the gaps I had in fully understanding the dynamics and motivations behind this tragic story, having followed it closely since the children first went missing. Megan has clearly done a huge amount of work to come to this place and I commend her bravery and thank her for sharing this with us.
This is an insightful and profoundly moving interview. I applaud Megan Conner for her honesty and clarity; she is a very courageous woman. I share her skepticism about Alex's claim of self defence. I thought it was an implausible explanation, given Charles was shot in the chest and a bullet went through him into the floor. Today I discovered Charles was shot 4 times at close range. It's obvious Charles was murdered in cold blood. Ruling the cause of death as self defence makes the police complicit in this heinous crime.
I agree with you 💯 If Law Enforcement would have investigated Charles murder like it should have been Alex and Lori would have been arrested, and Tylee and JJ would be alive.
I hope their investigation into Charles’s death is investigated! It could have been stopped that night or even earlier if they had believed Charles when he asked for help!
Charles was shoe 4 times the reports say twice ?
@@TeeJayNZ
I’m like you I only heard in reports 2 shots ….the report from officer said 2 also.
Hunt Club Barbie .. l was going to leave a comment, however, you took the words right out of my mouth.. I agree 💯...😊 💙🙏
This is so sad. I am sixty years old and I went through alot of the same things with a girl in my family who never could do anything wrong even though she did EVERYTHING wrong. I have been on the cold shoulder end and have carried those feelings around my whole life. This is almost therapy for me just listening because there has been so much that was too hard for me to deal with. Thank you for sharing this.
Ahhh, you’ve been the scapegoat in the narcissistic family system. And the horrible girl was the golden child. Truth-tellers usually end up as the scapegoat, and the campaign of derision against them serves to unite and galvanize the narcissistic family members.
@@josiechaney9010 Its a lonely life. I feel like I'm going through something very similar. 😢
Wishing you serenity.
Another one here.
Im twenty three and it felt like that for me too
Kudos to Megan for doing the interview. I wish her peace in her continued healing journey and am so glad EMDR & other therapy has been helping. It’s a lot of work developing healthy boundaries when trained in a family where that wasn’t afforded to you.
Thank you Megan for doing this interview. It was very brave of you to put yourself out there❣️
Your an amazing and intelligent woman! Your interview was very enlightening! Thank you again for helping us understand the Cox dynamics.
Blessings my Megan, and thank you for sharing...
Thank you, Megan, for your honesty and insight. It explains so much who/what makes up the person of Lori. May you continue to be blessed in your life, family and future.
I’ve had a theory, and after watching this interview, I am even more convinced that there was abuse in Lori’s life and that’s why she accused Joe of sexually abusing Tylee. I think by accusing Joe, she was indirectly, drawing attention to the possibility that her father was the abuser in her life.
I understand where you are coming from........Her dad Barry paid for breast augmentation (implants) so she can do the Beauty Pageant in Texas.........🥺
Interesting! Also, have you heard an interview with Alex Cox's ex wife? She had said that when she was married to Alex, she used get so disturbed and angry with the way Lori and Alex's relationship was--very sexual jokes and inappropriate behavior between brother and sister. It seems to line up with what Megan is saying here too with Lori's family dynamics. I would be wondering the same things Megan said "Lori is 13..WHERE is she getting this stuff from?"
There is a strange cycle with sexual abuse in families, where a child is physically but not sexually abused often becomes a sexual abuser, then wash and repeat. Folks who get help and break these cycles are very brave and to be commended.
My thoughts too.
@@laurieclarkson9180 seems like I read or heard their parents were very sexual and inappropriate in front of the children, and public. The dad had gone to prison for something.
No matter what walk of life we come from, narcissistic parents raise the perfect victims... until we are NOT. I do combos of breath work for my trauma, and listen to I am affirmations while I sleep to reprogram my hardwiring. I would totally hang with you, and support you during this time. You are amazing. Bug hugs sis
Barry has been hiding out this entire time I’ve had my suspicions about him and what he did to his daughters
Yes, I agree.
Who is Barry??
Loris Father is Barry
Yes, Barry where the heck have you and Janis been?? Get your A$$ to court. Face the music! Go represent the 5% big shot!
Barry and Janice the creator of the chaos. They need to face the music also. They have devastated their entire family from birth.
I had a curiosity about Lori's family and I found this interview fascinating. I had t pause the interview when the Cox family photo came up so I could study it. This has to be my favorite person interviewed.
This is the best interview. This woman is so well spoken and she’s able to describe everything perfectly. I am so sorry for all that she has been through and I’m happy that she is getting help. Thank you for speaking up as it helps us understand a lot about this family.
Thank you so much Megan for sharing your story & Lauren for bringing this interview to us. It has been insightful and assisted me in understanding the family dynamics more. I'm honored that Meghan would be comfortable to share this with us.
Growing up LDS and subsequently leaving, there are so many things that resonate with my own experiences. When she talks about her family culture being a microcosm of church culture is spot on. Megan sheds so much light on how this whole thing just organically grew from a seed and became something awful.
It is a cult not a church. Jesus died to set us free and not to condemn people . If people in a group are telling you how to live or act, and if you don't follow what this person says you are going to hell, that is a cult. Read your Bible and throw away Mr Smiths book. Mr Smith was just an ordinary man. Get away from his lies and seek truth and have a true relationship with Jesus.
She's done an excellent job of conveying her confusion about the direct contradictions between talking and doing. She's showing how this created confusion and harm for the kids growing up in it and at the same time a safe haven for sexual predators.
“She was sweet and all American mom… unless you disagreed with her or criticized her or stood in the way of her getting what she wanted. Then she was vicious.” Just denied the superficial charm of a narcissist. Nailed it. I have absolutely known people like this and it’s scary what they get away with, especially when they’re pretty. If Lori wasn’t a pretty, white, blond girl, these kids would still be alive because someone would have listened to Charles.
The police would have listened when he said she threatened to murder him.
Yes if she was fat and ugly the kids would still be alive cause even after they killed Charles when the police is interviewing Lori at the crime scene all he focused on was how blond she and Tylie were. Exasperating!!!!
nope ! Nobody ever listens until it’s too late -
I remember seeing a video of the police going to Lori’s house about something she was possibly in trouble for and man, she shamelessly turned on a performance to manipulate these 2 cops and she practically had them in the palm of her hand after a few minutes. For me it was so cringy to watch.
She’s not blonde.
This has to be one of the most sensitive , courageous and authentic interviews I have listened to and I thank you both. My heart goes out to you Megan and I hope you continue on your healing journey with the love and support of those around you and wish you happiness in your future.
wow. looks powerful. i'm glad the authentic and dignified way you both present has lead to people trusting and sharing these difficult personal moments
Very true..and hopefully it will allow them to heal from the trauma of it all.
Wow! I was not LDS, but in many ways, I can really relate to much of what Megan experienced growing up. Thank you, Megan, for sharing your experience. I was in my late 30's early 40's before I realized I had no boundaries. Safe relationships have been very difficult for me to find. In my 60's, I have just decided not to be in one. I feel safer and more in control of my life.
❤❤❤
💯 agree 👍🏽
Yes parenting needs more education and fairness. I knew in front of people she would put on a mask and demand pampering or else.
🎯Here too… on all points. Though it took me until my 50s to realize I was unable to identify and enforce boundaries in a healthy way. And it may have taken me until this very moment to understand that means I have no safe relationships. I genuinely appreciate your insight. 🌸
Thank you for this interview. Megan is a deeply insightful and intelligent human being and an incredibly brave Survivor. I appreciate her honesty and her willingness to share her experiences with the public to help us better understand the dynamics at play for such crimes to have been committed.
This interview is amazing...what an incredible insight to the Cox family dynamics. Thanks for sharing your story Megan Conner, it is very brave of you.
I think Barry is one sick puppy. Janice is.....something else too.
Those last few words about the family and if they would’ve done something after Charle’s murder the children may still be alive made me tear up. So true! Families make fatal mistakes when trying to protect their secrets and it never ends well. So so sorry Charles couldn’t save those children. He tried and died because of it. 😢
Charles was an honorable man who was trying to do the right thing for his family. I wish Law Enforcement would've listened to him.
@@CaliGirl305 I agree. The night he went to Lori's house to find the kids, he had his Mormon Bishop with him. That Bishop never came forward to give a statement after Charles was murdered.
the cognitive dissonance is truly astounding
Dee Max something should have done something BEFORE Charles was murdered!! When he was trying to get police to do something and they wouldn't!! If only he'd have just left with the children, even if police wouldn't listen!!
@@elizabethgrogan8553 that so called man of gawd bishop is truly a very bad soul… he should NOT BE A CHURCH LEADER…. Perhaps he should step down
This was absolutely healing, relatable and important THANK YOU for sharing such a personal story and sharing your past , Megan is a strong, beautiful brave woman.
I know Megan personally… and went through some of this w her at the time 3 years ago… trust me… she is authentic to her core and has weathered a lot and is a rock star of a person. This is an amazing interview and I hope will lead to more mainstream opportunities
Megan; you are a lovely woman. I’m so proud that you have the courage and strength to tell the truth.
This absolutely comes across!! 🙏 I am thankful of her honesty, because it has confirmed my own intuition about this family dynamic.
I like her
@@Jessica-wo6pxlike her too❤
I’m proud of you, to set healthy boundaries.
I had to teach my parents how I wanted to be treated as an adult. I detached with love, until they learned how to treat me.
Thank you lord we ended up having a beautiful relationship. They both died in my house of Alzheimer’s & heart failure.
I was able to take care of them .
It took a lot of tears and prayers but people can change .
Healthy boundaries are very important. Sending you prayers, what your doing is needed .
That’s really amazing that you persevered with your relationship with your parents and were at peace with them before they died❤
Yes, much of the time getting healthy boundaries for ourselves also means telling others what we need. Many from past generations haven't a clue. Life was too hard as it was without dealing with such 'trivial things' like what's good for the soul etc. So teaching them becomes our job often.
Glad you had time with your parents. I'm 45 and driving across Canada in 2 months with my partner to move closer to my mom who's getting older. We don't have forever, and only get one chance as kids to feel OK with aging parents. So, your message was timely.
@@dashboardf9661 this gives me hope. Your comment is beautiful
I watched an interview with Joe Ryan's lawyer and what he went through in the custody battle with his only daughter. Lori did what she could to keep Tylee away from her dad; and it destroyed him, literally to his early death. Which the lawyer 100% believes his death had everything to do with Alex putting the stun gun to his heart a few years earlier. Very sad how many lives Lori destroyed!
That's if they didn't poison Joe or something like that. I don't think there was any investigation and if there was they need to know what poison to look for to find one.
Well, her son Colby told Lori that Joe Ryan was sexually abusing him. Colby even admits this now. So if that's true, I would also fight hard to make sure that none of my children were around a pedophile.
Lori convinced her young son that abuse happened. He echoed her accusations and still believes abuse occurred. Yes, Lori is extremely manipulative.
@@farmerinthedells How can you possibly know that? Don't try to lionize anybody. These kind of family systems tend pull everybody in and make them complicit in some way, which is why family members will often close ranks and protect whoever got caught. I'd avoid calling an adult reporting childhood SA a liar. It happens sometimes, but it's rare. Why is it important to you to make Joe Ryan a hero at the cost of distorting what might be the truth?
@@farmerinthedells Exactly. Lori told Colby repeatedly that she had rescued him from his abuser. He grew up believing her, and he just echoes what she told him. Lori didn't care who she destroyed to get her way.
I grew up in a very, very similar family dynamic and religion, and she explains what it's like very, very well. In the one I grew up in, boys grew up just like all the other boys, but girls were held under a microscope. I've had to go through my own healing also. It's has been so hard. I feel for you so much Megan.
Same here
What an accurate way to put it, the difference in how boys get a free pass and girls, not so much. Exemplified in the LDS belief that men will become gods, ruling over their own planet but women will remain subservient for all eternity. And this is considered paradise, lol. But this kind of system is present in all patriarchal religions to some extent.
This should have more views. This is crucial for understanding to how big extent we are driven by our families and how important is to getaway from a dysfunctional one to a safer place. Safer not only to ourselves but also to those who surround us in our future. Amassing testimony! Thank you!
I listened to it on the Podcast, not here so that may be reflected in the view count.
Might be cause you have to PAY to join the channel
As an outsider, it also explains to me a little more about the political right in the US and why they can be so supportive of a demagogue. For many who have been brought up in that life, it would seem, a demagogue is an extension of their own families and lives within the church.
Megan did another interview on the Mormon Stories Podcast where she really opened up in depth about Lori, Alex and many dark details like Stacy’s death. Thank you for this interview, I hope everything is alright with Lauren, it feels like she’s not really interested/there with her thoughts or something bothering her.
Phenomenal interview. Lauren once again you are so good at your job this seems like a natural conversation between two long time friends. Both of you ladies are so smart and intuitive, and I hope this interview helps Megan find some solace with every comment that is in support of both her decision & experiences. It’s very difficult to break generational trauma cycles, and stand up in the face of adversary, especially when the adversary everything you have ever known. Megan should be so proud of herself for standing up for both herself and ultimately one of the only family members who stood up for the children.
I usually watch and listen and give my thumbs up. I don’t leave comments because someone and everyone already said everything that I would say. This time, though… this is, to me, so horribly awful what Megan has lived through and still overcoming. I spent half the time crying and the other half feeling realizing that my disfunctional family was not and that I had a pretty great childhood.
I want the strength and bravery that Megan has and want to give her a huge hug. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
What a superb, sensitive, kind, deep, honest interview. Such important subject matter: family systems, trauma, etc. Thank you Lauren and Megan.
Amazing interviewer, respectful and doesn’t talk over her guest.
Thank you… it’s refreshing
Megan, wishing you healing and comfort. What a trial for this entire family. Thank you for speaking out. This confirms the nature vs nurture influences and level of CRAZY we’re seeing as this plays out.
It’s nature and nurture in this case IMO
prayers out to her .. i have so much respect for this woman for bringing herself to be able to not only discuss but in public her story with the world is nothing short of amazing...this will help someone in the future no doubt. REST IN HEAVEN JJ and Tylee
Law enforcement should have taken what Charles was trying to tell them about Lori more seriously. Maybe things would have turned out differently. This case is heartbreaking. So many individuals lives have been altered or changed in such a devastating way their lives will never be the same. I hope Lori and Chad are found guilty and are held accountable for the evil crimes they have committed. Great guest Thank you 😊.
No there is more to it .let's stop blaming the police . Charles could have just left
@@GuilhermeM-cd4gz he did. He was there to see his son. Or did I misunderstand you? They were separated, but he paid for the house he was killed in to ensure JJ had a stable home, since madam hairdresser didn't work. Charles loved his son. You cannot place this bs at his feet.
The police fucked this up, full stop. The perpetrator is dead, so they're stuck with sloppy seconds. I'm not impressed with them at all.
@@GuilhermeM-cd4gz Charles did leave, he moved to a whole other state, "Texas"........Lori and Alex planned to kill him when he picked up JJ......... Lori knew Charles was not going to bring JJ back ( her meal ticket) ....Charles had planned to return JJ back to Kay and Larry on a part time basis because he did a lot of traveling for work.....Kay and Larry was going to help him Co-Parent JJ,......by this point Charles was all for the Divorce going through and Lori knew this......She also knew if divorced she would not be entitled to the $1 million dollar life insurance, boy was she surprised when she found out even dead, she would not entitled to Charles $1 million dollar life insurance. However, she was entitled to be benefactor of the Social Security benefits since JJ was a minor ( only if charles was dead) I heard she was racking in over $6,000 a month in Social Security benefits even after both kids were dead.....Lori is pure evil......
police should have looked up Alex and found he was a felon and arrested him on the spot. They should have then investigated the death.
@@cjstory8418 Exactly, I don't get it but they did not even check baseball bat for fingerprints ......or check prior reports of Charles saying Lori was going to kill him.
It took Megan a lot of strength and healing to be able to give this interview. She is so well spoken about enmeshed families and the control they have over your life. Thank you, Megan, for your insight into this case. Thank you, Lauren, for this interview and for making HTC a safe space for all to come and share of themselves.
Megan, thank you for sharing your stories. I know how painful to have to re-live those experiences. Your interview and literally every experience you shared about Lori, the LDS family dynamics, especially the story about Lori dragging you with her to meet a boy and hooking you up with his buddy so you weren't the "3rd" wheel and the swim suit experience, I lived those same horrible experiences. I was so confused and felt so dumb always stumbling in things that are forbidden by the Church. Please know you are not alone. I walked away from my family and the church because I was tired of being obedient for all the wrong reasons. Sending my love. You are so strong. Thank you for being that voice for "THE SILENT". How many times I wished I could yell at the top of the mountain "hear me"! You did that for me
Thank you.
The best interview yet. Megan says all of the things most of us are thinking about the Cox family.
Ok, I listened to Summers testimony and THE phone call before watching this interview. I hope that she is proud of Summer for her confrontation of Lori. Summer said all the right things and after watching this interview it seems that was not what was expected. I feel for you and this interview was very admirable.
Thank you Megan, I’m glad you got out.
I can’t believe that Megan is approximately 48 years old. And is an example of true beauty when it is both interior and exterior beauty.
She is so much better looking than Lori. I would have thought she was 35.
I was shocked to hear she was only 1 year younger than Lori, I thought she was in her 30's.
I was shocked when she said Lori was only 18 months older than she was.
Probably from cleaning living, little to no alcohol, nonsmoking & not treating her body like a playground for boys/ men.
@@mattparker2323why do people always have this need to compare women to other women?
Courageous and intense! Her story about the cat show us a first glimpse at Lori’s disregard for animals. Precursor to other killings typical of sociopath. Lauren, I was so impressed by your kind and caring interviewing skills. So many journalists could learn a lot from you. Thank you.
This interview was the best so far as to put unanswered questions to rest. Megan is very brave and honest in telling her story. You are a champion in my eyes. There are so many layers to this family.
Thank you Lauren for making this available; not just for information, but for trying to understand ourselves and others better. This journey we called life is hard enough, but the truth really does set people free. Thank you. ❤
100% agree with Megan! Lori was the one that concocted all of these horrible events.
Megan I’m praying for you and your family.🙏🏼
Yes, I think Chad provided the why and Lori provided the how.
I like that.
I guess we could say,
The How, the Why, and the Who.
The prosecutors should use this in their closing.
From the moment I saw the interview with Janice, Lori's Mum, I knew what kind of a parent she is. I'm not surprised by Megan's story, though I am sorry for what she's been through, and clearly the Coxes have a lot to answer for.
If they had listened to Charles, he and the children might be alive today.
Thank you Megan, and thank you Lauren for giving us insights into Lori's life and character.
And I wish you both well.
A lot of strange stuff: Alex Cox sought out Megan so he could "discover" Stacys coma . The family was conveniently away during Stacys coma and chose not to return from Hawaii for days while she lay dying. Then Alex maxed out Stacys credit cards
So uncaring and abusive
I’m so impressed by Megan’s interview. You can tell she has been traumatized but, she is talking about it to help others. Lauren, I love the way you treat your guest with respect and kindness. This was a very emotional interview. Megan is so strong! ❤
👍🎯And she doesn’t mince words. I like that.
This is one of the best interviews I’ve seen, it gives so much insight into who Lori is. I feel horrible for what Megan dealt with growing up with that horror show. Lori is just disgusting and none of this surprises me whatsoever. Such a respectful interviewer too.
I was shocked that Lori could be so selfish as to not give a f*** about Megans wedding. She purposely chose blue dresses (low cut and showing cleavage) to exert her control over the situation with no other concern but herself, and how sexy she looked.
@@tamaraelsberry6630 I promise you, those bridesmaids wouldn't have walked down the aisle! NOPE!
Just to say... Such an insightful person! I believe you are spot on with your interpretations and analysis of everyone!Awesome interview 👏
@@tamaraelsberry6630 Lori and her Dad sound pretty identical. Very disturbing family dynamics, but honestly, I do not care at all what Lori went through, she doesn’t deserve one once of sympathy. She has clearly always been a psychopath.
Megan was treated so badly by Lori, it’s just disgusting. Megan is an incredible person so wise and thoughtful.
@@shannonharrison768 me? If so, I appreciate that, that’s very kind. I work in mental health so I’ve seen a lot of dysfunction, but nothing like Lori. Thankfully.
Hello, after watching this and hearing you (Lauren AND Megan) talk about sharing survival stories, that hope and recovery is possible, that sharing your story is BRAVE... I want to share my story too, because I need for my kids and I to be able to start our journey of healing (we've been suffering the repercussions of the crimes that were committed against us since 2020) it just feels impossible. We weren't even given the option of a victim statement when my stepbrother was sentenced to five years federal prison in January of this year (2023). I wish we could share our story.
She should be a witness. Lori knew exactly what she was doing and thought she would get away with it, she always has.
Chad was throwing out the ideas and Lori latched on to them in the hope of getting everything she wanted. She was stroking his ego and telling him everything to do. He lapped it up.
I also think everyone of the people who were texting about Tammy, Brandon, Tylee and JJ being possessed and needing to die should be charged with conspiracy to murder. Isn't that what Lori is charged with? If she's guilty then they all should be. Arizona should prosecute them as well for Charles. There's much more evidence in that case to get convictions.
Major agree!!
Melani Gibb is guilty she was drinking the kool aid until she thought they were trying to throw her under the bus by saying JJ was with her in Arizona.......Melani was the friend that helped Lori move Charles car from the airport and throw all his clothes away and withdrew large amount of money from his bank account.......Melani knew at this time Lori was seeing Chad on the side and saying stuff like Charles is a dark spirit named Ned Schneider and she did not do anything about it, even went to the police station with Lori and Tylee for Lori can do a psychiatric evaluation........and saw how Lori lied about Charles having an affaire 🙄
Thank you and especially Megan for such great insight during this interview. Couldn’t stop myself from crying and it was very touching what she said about Adam. I have always felt the same about him after seeing his interview. But he is so rarely mentioned for seeing what Charles saw, standing beside Charles and speaking out against the his parents and siblings. The bravery that took.
That is one very special human being. If you ever read this Megan, I'm so sorry for all the things, and as one survivor who's been down a similar recovery road to you, thank you for letting other people know (and I say it too) that it is possible to heal and be whole again. Recovery is incredibly hard work, but recovering from it is not as hard as living through it in the first place was, and we survived that too. I wish you the very best.
Not sure if you’re reading the comments Megan but if you are….bless you for doing the hard work of therapy to figure this stuff out. Thank you for helping the rest of us to understand what happened. You seem amazingly wise and strong for being able to process through all of this. 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏
Megan, your thoughts and remembrances of Stacey is very moving and touching. Thank you for your interview, dear and my wishes for your continued healing and recovery.
This is the most interesting and informative interview I’ve ever heard about Lori Vallow. Megan is so articulate and perceptive and I thank her for sharing.
Megan, thank you so much for providing all of us with this insight. You are on the right track, I am glad you are growing and healing.
Lauren. I love how you ask a question and then just listen and let them finish. So many interviewers get impatient and interrupt but you are a cut above the rest. Thanks for this powerful interview.
There are good reasons why so many agree to interviews only with Lauren. So trustworthy, so respectful, true integrity.
Am very impressed with Megan for having the strength and the courage to tell her story and to realize that vulnerability is the way to healing. Shame and secrecy are the enemy.
Good for her!! She goes on to say that her “gut” feeling was that the kids were no longer alive, while Julie Rowe, the self-proclaimed gifted visionary says she “sees” the kids alive and well. Reality versus delusion. Reality always wins because the truth is the truth. I really believe that Lori kept up this facade of externality because she knew what she lacked internally.
Meagan is so absolutely beautiful inside and out. She has integrity,morals and standards. Thankyou Meagan for sharing your life with us. Its helped me to know we are all in the same situation at some point in life.I admire your courage and strength.
What an excellent interview!! Lauren you do a fantastic job of asking relevant, insightful and some difficult questions in a non-threatening, gentle manner. Then allow your guest time and a safe space to provide her answers as well as listen to what she says! This interview clarified much about how Lori’s family dynamics and culture influenced where she’s at today. Not an excuse for her choices, however helpful in understanding how her actions could have been affected. Thank you both!
Outstanding interview, glad you got to sit down with Megan to get some FACTS. Shame that the Church has been heading south since President Hinkley passed away. It used to be fun and not so judgemental as they are now.
PS- this is your best interview yet, IMHO... well done!
Thank you for this raw and informational interview. What a brave woman to be so candid and help us all to make sense of what happened to bring on this horrible tragedy. I wish her much healing and comfort in her life.
Thanks so much for opening up and sharing your life experiences and insights Megan . I think it was quite brave and independent of you to speak out . What you shared seemed to be told from a very thoughtful, honest and kind perspective. You’ve clearly done a lot of work in understanding the LDS church and it’s influence on its members and your family system ,and I found your family stories and insights informative and intriguing. Thanks again for doing this interview . I hope you continue to heal and find peace in your life and family relationships . I believe you’ll find it with your even minded observances of life and kindness in your understanding of others .
Wow. Thank you Megan! Great interview!❤
What an incredible interview! Thank you, Lauren, for bringing this to us, and thank you Megan for your courage to speak out. Your insights were so enlightening.
That was a tremendous interview. Such a well spoken and thoughtful woman. I am LDS, and though my family has its share of problems, my life is better because of my faith. I wish that was her story.
Thank you for posting. I am not LDS but I do think it’s important to remember that any religion can have members that use religion to excuse their behavior. Doesn’t mean everyone in that religion believe the same.
@@barbettewelsh2358 well said.
Misogyny is baked into the cake though, and as a woman I hope you can see that at some point, especially if you have children.
I also wish she had a positive experience with her religion since it was such a big part of her life. Or I wish it wasn't a part of her life at all & was replaced with the things that make most people's lives feel fulfilled & joyous. She seems like such a sweetheart, and people should look back on their childhoods fondly, regardless of the activities that are important to their parents.
I didn't have a religious upbringing & I'm extremely thankful for that. I look back on so much fun & happiness with friends, it's hard to hear about kids having the childhood memories she does.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 my dad is one of the most humble, sacrificing, hard working, good man, I’ve ever seen
This was an extremely insightful interview. I'm glad I didn't hear this until after the trials of both Lori and Chad, it made it all come together in a small way.
That was very touching what Megan said about Stacy coming to her in her dream. She said it was just her head and I was so moved because I had my sister who had passed away. I was just her head like in the corner of the room talking to me and I was talking to her and it was so clear the message she gave me. When I woke up in the morning, I knew that wasn’t a dream that it was a message from my sister.
I do think people like you and Megan, who don’t carry your dreams and visions like banners, are credible… and aren’t the same as people like Chad, Lori, Julie Rowe, et al, who use them like currency and peddle them for dollars and power.
What a truly beautiful and hope provoking story for all of us who lost our loved ones, and still seek contact and closeness with them. God bless you and your healing journey. Your sister is always right behind you and in front of you😊
This interview was STELLER! Thanks you for doing such a great job....and thank you to megan too.... wow...she really pulled us in and it brings so much inderstanding to this case. Thank you both for representing truth! Y'all are both gorgeous too!
😢it’s like I’m seeing a grown up Tylee.
I didn't see the resemblance until your comment..I agree..there is a resemblance..
Yes - far more like her than Lori was. In quite a few ways I suspect.
Oh gosh she does resemble her
I got the same impression!!
Ouch. It makes it all the more heartbreaking.
Lauren, you are the epitome of a true journalist, love how you respect the interviewee without being invasive, yet engaging to make them feel comfortable. ❤️
Thank you, Megan, for sharing this with us. I admire your courage to leave the LDS. Also, for placing healthy barriers to give yourself time to heal, as well as to gain the tools you needed to cope with the dynamics of your upbringing. I appreciate your honesty and integrity, and I think you are a very good person. I hope your family can heal from all of this. Stay strong.
I always find it odd the death of Joe Ryan is left out and wonder if he was another victim, Alex had gotten out of jail years ago for tazing him, hated him, said he wanted to provoke him into justified killing (he saved that for Charles months later) Tylee would get $3,000 in SS monthly, we know Lori wanted the $$ and for her to keep collecting Tylee had to be gone, just like JJ would get the same survivors benefits $$. Joe Ryan who she made so many claims against, when she wanted out of that marriage to be with Charles just suddenly dies 7 months before Charles, is left in his Texas home for weeks with the heat turned up, decaying, can’t find a cause of death….was he Alex’s first? Why is no one looking into him?