I have no idea how I ended up on this video! I'm not religious, not Mormon and live in the UK, I had to Google who Lori Vallow was. I found Megan Conners story absolutely amazing and insightful. Thank you.
@@emilyflotilla931 Hi Emily, yes, I've done a deep dive on the background story. Wow, Lori and Chad are very very ill, a cult situation going on there. So sad that so many people died because of her and by her and her partner.
@contiflex It’s riveting, isn’t it? I was baptized Catholic, just woke up one day in 2001 and realized that most of it was a crock of shyte. It was the child sex abuse done by the higher-ups that tore it for me. There is much I admire about the LDS faith-the way they help their neighbors, their stocking up their pantries to have a food reserve…one thinks of the locust swarm devastating the early LDS pioneers’ crops, then the flock of seagulls coming to the rescue by eating the locusts! I think the seagull may be the Utah state bird. We need to be accepting of different faiths, that helps us make a better world.
Charles also went to the Bishop and law enforcement begging for help concerned for Lori. He was ignored. He tried to get a mental assessment done on her but it wasn't enforced or followed up. Separately, Heather Daybell also went to her church leadership with concerns and was brushed off.
Lori DID go to the mental health assessment that Charles initiated. She PASSED whatever questions they asked her (would love to get ahold of THAT meeting) and they LET HER GO. 😭 Btw, Melanie Gibb stated this in one of her interviews, and said that she accompanied Lori to that assessment, waited for her there until it was over, and then they left together.
The police officers actually told Lori how to get out of having to comply with the mental evaluation. Is there, on a video that was recorded with one of the officers body cam.... Unreal! AZ really screwed up this case, have they taken action after Charles murder, Tylee, JJ, & Tammy will still be alive, & Lori & Alex would have been in prison.
@@tlc4701 I agree!! She was asked several times questions she had already answered! This guy gave me the creeps, he is only in it for views not the actual story. Otherwise he would pay attention! He frustrated me right through out the podcast and he was actually quite rude in some of it and showed little compassion!
Probably the best Cox family reveal of all time. Thank-you Megan for your many candid and insightful observations. What happened with Stacey made my head explode. It was right under our noses all along but none of us could even imagine this. This explains sooooo much. Megan that whole night was completely staged. The Cox's (ALL!) conveniently "In Hawaii" except for the family hit man. They let your parents do the heavy lifting with making all the arrangements, while they frolicked in the sun. The Lori apple did not fall off the tree accidentally. The entire barrell was rotten. Lori was just following the family script: Alibi 101. Point Alex in the right direction and say GO.
Also, I’d even say that Lori was part of the planning of her sisters murder. That’s why she felt so confident to do it again with her angel alex her brother and lover. Sick sick people. This entire family is to blame especially the mother Janice and father Barry! All culpable.
This was so great! I loved it! Thank you for your insights Megan! I wondered way back about Stacey’s death, as there was such a trail. It makes so much sense! Megan, John and Mindy~ THANK YOU! ESPECIALLY, shares that were so difficult!❤❤❤
So many people are saying this has nothing to do with LDS and telling people that it is is a stretch but I'm glad Megan is saying what she's saying because these beliefs that Chad and Lori have came from somewhere.
same. I'm not even Mormon (but there is some overlap )-- can't help but thinking this incredibly insightful earnest and poignant woman is exactly the type of person who will lead to some kind of new future that dismantles structures of power for powers sake. Very very insightful
I think they went to Hawaii while Alex "helped her go". It seems this could be the origin of the pattern for Lori. Go to Hawaii while Alex takes care of something the family doesn't want around. Being a burden, outing the family secrets etc.
I think it's really sus that Lori was leaving baby Colby with her father (an arguably known alleged abuser) considering Colby never retracted the claims against Tylee's dad but investigators cleared Tylee's dad and his home as an abusive person/location. Was Lori trying to clean up her dad's abuse of colby
@@pikachu7572 i think she manipulated Colby into thinking he was SA by Joe Ryan so he to this day beieves its true. I thought it was all made up but maybe it was her dad that SA Colby and she covered it up.
Riveting interview! This guest shares information you won't find anywhere else. Mormonism is so much a part of this horrific story, and she lays it out perfectly.
What their describing is a sociopath. Lori watched the behavior of others, their emotional reaction and copied it. She realized being sweet would work well for her so that's how she behaved.
I was hoping to hear more from Megan after listening to the interview she did on Hidden True Crime. She’s such a good speaker! I wish all the best for her and her family.
I believe these are MAN made teachings …Non of which have actual proof to back up the teachings they teach….Megan brings up validity to what she is saying…she needs to speak to more people and groups to open their minds…
@Jazzy’s Mommy, yep, man made to control others. You see it in other religions too. They also use it as a front to hide their "sins". Think of all of the molestation of children that has occurred by holy than thou members of the Catholic and Mormon churches alone.🤬
I’m so impressed with Megan’s intelligence and ability to articulate given how close she is to all of this. She’s clearly done a lot of amazing inner work to overcome her family system. 💜
Peeking into their family dynamic and how her church was, as well as the Mormon religion, its hard to imagine anyone overcoming it all. She's a fucking legend, must have been awful
I am a follower of the story of Chad and Lori, I am R/C and live in Australia. I was so shocked at the male host who seemingly had done absolutely no research. He was totally annoying and thank goodness he had Mindy. Megan did really well in how she did not become irritated by this. She is an amazing person who deserves the best in her future.
@@lorrainehughes-smith199Yeah, I just found this channel a week ago, and I enjoy the stories, but John is constantly asking questions about things the guest just answered. It gives the impression that he isn't listening, and his guests are being very courageous by telling their stories.
The circumstances surrounding Stacy's death have always sounded suspicious to me. The story that Megan suggests sounds closer to the truth. Also the Cox's are big life insurance fans. How many policies were written in Stacy's name prior to her death?
Appreciate you Megan! I'm from the UK and have never been a Mormon but have found this video compelling, straightforward and above all honest while not being in any way a sensationalist! I find these high control groups fascinating from a distance but I'm thankful I can't comprehend being involved in one.
I wasn’t raised Mormon but I do have childhood trauma and this gal s journey is so inspiring to me. How she started to change things that caused her stress and panic attacks. Powerful testament to healing. ☀️
This really was a stellar episode, and Megan is incredibly brave, and strong. I truly wish nothing but the very best for her on her journey. Side note: I’ve also used EMDR to reprocess traumas in my life, and it does seem pretty miraculous, like she said. It’s so good to hear that it helped her too.
Can we find out if Lories father had life insurance on Melonies mother? Since he was in insurance, and it looks like he may have assigned Alex to give Melonies mother a big insulin shot, he may have had insurance on her. It is so terrible to consider the damage parents can do to the lives of all their children’s lives. Especially when they are secretly evil and self righteous.
That is an excellent question/observation. I would love to know. Until this interview, I never realized that Megan later suspects that Alex may have given Stacy an overdose of insulin...I suspect she is right!
I grew up Jehovah’s Witness. I had no idea how much this control goes in. Different religion but so many “wow” moments of clarification about my own upbringing and damage cause by it. Thank you for this insight and into Lori and her family. Ties a lot of things together in this heartbreaking case. ❤️
In the documentary "sins of our mother", Lori's mother did talk about her previous comments on TV, when she said lori would never hurt the kids. It's heartbreaking. Her mother remembering what she had said and recognizing "everyone was right, I was wrong". Gut wrenching. Thanks for this interview!
Incredible “talk among friends” not at all the “interview” type podcasts I’m used to seeing. Absolutely loved listening to this. It’s rare to get so much insight into a family story . So many angles and relationships for so many years.
Such a strong and courageous woman ❤ I saw Megan’s interview w/ Lauren on Hidden True Crime and was saddened by her struggles and family’s pain. Thank you for sharing your truth so that ppl can relate better to the story and better understand the group/ppl’s background & motives, hopefully. Megan is very poised, strong, beautiful, & BRAVE; I commend her desire to explore her own family dynamics, shine light on the skeletons in its closet, & find the strength to survive and THRIVE… despite all that she’s been through, as well as do what it take to find a place that’s safer and more comfortable and supportive. Prayers for her and her Fam. ❤
I have never been anywhere near a Mormon church and have never been a church member of any religion, yet Megan's life sounds similar to mine in many ways.
I started this video for a family member’s insider perspective on Lori Vallow, but truly the most captivating part was Megan’s own story, and her thoughtful introspection on the LDS faith and how the teachings and culture can be toxic and even breed people with such radical beliefs. Absolutely captivated from start to finish, thank you Megan. You and your family have been through so much, thank you for sharing
She has written a book but not about Lori and Chad. From what I’ve read it’s about being sex trafficked in her early teenage years. Also how sexual trafficking is often not what we think it is. I believe it occurred 3-4 years but yet she still went to school every day and slept in her own bed every night. I believe I got that info from Hidden True Crime and Megan’s interview with them. I believe it is in the description.
@@kissykay07 I think that’s a different Megan conners. I looked up books about sex trafficking and the picture doesn’t match her. It’s a woman that I think may be younger than her and that had cancer.
Oh my goodness,, I couldn't stop listening. Such a sad and compelling story. Thanks to Megan for being brave enough to tell it, and risk the wrath of those family members still loyal to Lori. All the best to the three of you.
Wow. What an incredible podcast! Thank you for sharing your story Megan!! I’m in awe of how well put together your thoughts are and how you’re able to speak so eloquently.
Another interview conducted with sensitivity and respect - well done John and Mindy. I was reminded of Elissa Wall in terms of the same level of intelligence, eloquence and perspective from Megan and her willingness to open up in the face of such a tragedy. I was riveted for the whole 4+ hours. Interesting and eye opening in so many areas. Thank you so much Megan and the MSP team.
Such a beautiful strong woman! I am blown away by her personality perseverance and resilience! 6 kids! No support nor from man or her family! Yet she’s intelligent, articulate, bright and empathetic! Wow! This cult she grew up in could not destroy her amazing spirit! She should be given all possible platforms to talk and advocate for kids and women, she is the example of the victorious person against the heinous system! Wow
This is the first time i have heard anyone in the family suggest that Stacy was killed, though i think a lot of us suspected it.This is huge.Poor Stacy😢What a family.I hope this lady can find peace.
I just can’t believe how a family could go on vacation while their daughter was on hospice and dying. Left to die alone and only alex of all people to look after her.. I don’t understand how Barry was getting morphine to give to Stacey since the side effects are loss of appetite, weight loss and drop of blood sugars. She was 76 pounds and had type 1 diabetes! Kinda like Lori giving her children pills to knock them out to not have to deal with them.. was Barry trying to not have to deal with her being sick and giving her Morphine?!
I think you are right.. I have always counted Stacy as potentially being the first of 7 to meet an untimely end. This is such an important interview tonight.
Another question.. how much life insurance did Barry have on Stacey. He sold life insurance and would have had a policy on her. Lori would have seen Barry profit from death at a young age if this is in fact true.
Crazy thing, on Sins of our mother, Lori's mom never once listed Stacy or her 3 months old as her children! I now wonder Bout the cause of death of the baby?!?!
@Jennifer I never knew the allegations of SA to Stacy from Barry. I always suspected he SA Lori now I think he SA all his daughters. This was just my impression
Best thing in the world for this orthodox raised mormon girl was to go to a private Catholic college I owe them so much. John's comment really got me. I just wanted to say how healthy and happy I was at Catholic school and even though I never converted, I was surrounded by people who really cared about me for who I was. Maybe someone needs to hesr this because it an authentic loving community and I thank God everyday I didn't end up at a mormon school.
I glad it was good experience for you. I went to a Catholic University. I am Catholic but there were many non Catholics. We didn't have those ethics standards like BYU. I can't imagine going to Mormon school. When I first listened to MS guest's talk about BYU to me it sounded like major thing was to find spouse not education.
I’m grateful for my Catholic education bc of how safe, enriching, and compassionate the environment was. Although, I have noticed that there’s ALOT of disdain and almost competition(?), or something similar, generally felt by Mormons re: Catholicism… I’m not sure why it’s stronger or more obvious/distinguishable, than how they feel abt &/or regard any of the other Christian denominations?
I’m so so so proud of Megan!!! I am an EMDR therapist and I agree wholeheartedly that it is a miraculous protocol and does what talk therapy cannot get to!! Yayyyy you, Megan!!!👏👏👏💖💖💖
I grew up lds. I'm one of 9 kids and appearance was everything. You didn't do anything to make the family look bad. That was the worst sin you could commit.
That’s true. I did not grow up seeking perfection, even in the LDS faith. I actually love that the LDS faith teaches that sun will happen and it’s necessary. Perfectionism is a culture thing, not a religious thing .
People commenting that it has nothing to do with religion are missing it. Of course it csn happen without it, but it's an EXTREMELY pivotal part of Mormonism. David O. McKay came in and literally made it a core part of the religion. It's the reason why Mormon men can't have hair below the ears or facial hair to this day. It's the reason women smile and smile and smile and smile and smile. It's the reason most Mormons push their children so hard academically... You can't deny thst this image obsession is more concentrated amongst Mormons than the general population UNLESS you don't understand personally that life experience.
I’d already seen the discussion with Megan on the Hidden True Crime channel, so I was curious whether this conversation would be similar, totally different or another thing entirely. I’m pleased to say that y’all held my attention 100% of the time, with twists & turns and ups, downs & allllllllll arounds. Thank you so much for baring your soul so that we might understand. 💜💜💜
No way did I think I would watch 4 and 1/2 hours of any podcast. I recharged my phone 3x but couldn’t look away. This was so informative on many serious topics. Megan was absolutely amazing! Please keep being you and spreading truth. I am sure that your children are so proud of you and sealed with you no matter what anyone says. ❤️
This was powerful Megan. Time well spent listening to your story. Blessings on you and your children. Thanks to Mormon podcast. A Necessity in our day and time.
This was an AMAZING episode. Thank you, Megan for sharing your story and being so vulnerable. I also very much appreciated Mindy’s voice and her questions during the interview. She did a fantastic job as well!
Alex had admitted to the plan to murder Joe and Joe filled police reports about alex stalking him for months. Alex was planning to kill Joe Ryan the same way he ended up killing Charles. Police interviewed Alexs ex wife and she recounted what Alex had told her “Alex had indicated to Debbie that he wanted to bait Joseph into a fight so that he could kill him in seif-defense. It was said in a joking way but seemed weird to Debbie. As a result of this conversation she never talked with Alex again.” It’s a tragedy that Joseph Ryan will never get justice because he was murdered.
"I would love it if someone in the church would come forward and tell the truth." That's it right there. That's what all of us would love. Sadly, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. But still a perfect statement, Megan. Thank you.
Thank you both for hosting this podcast, and thank you especially to Megan for her extreme bravery in talking about her life through the pain she has experienced. This was very enlightening, interesting, and very sad, but the truth always serves to protect and comfort. I wish you peace, comfort, and truth always.
Megan so much Cox family insight. I am related to Joe Ryan. I can fill in the blanks on some of your concerns surrounding his death. I have to say, a lot of what you talk about, Lori's upbringing, her narcissistic behavior at a young age really confirms a lot of what Joe and I talked about. Also, to clarify Joe never legally adopted Colby.
Megan saying that people could say that demons can possess people and the only way to get rid of the demons was to kill the body gave me chills because this was months before Jody and Ruby were abusing those children under the guise of ridding them of demons. Those children weren’t going to survive.
She is EXACTLY RIGHT about how the church treats the fatherless or divorced. I was treated HORRIBLY, and was even told I could no longer have the missionaries to dinner, because, I was single and would be tempted to sleep with the missionaries. Soooo gross. No matter how hard I tried I was cast aside. Oh; the abuse runs deep as to what they did to me.
Much gratitude to Megan for generously doing this long-form interview! It is so helpful to get some family background, and history, in order to help the general public to better understand such a strange, convoluted, disturbing and tragic series of events. This was a long journey leading to the deaths of these 4 people (possibly 5), and Lori apparently honed her ability to manipulate and control many people throughout her life, starting with siblings and, perhaps, her parents as well. Then she crossed paths with another manipulator, Chad Daybell, and this confluence turned diabolically insane and surreal. I imagine several books will be written on this story, because it is so complex and convoluted.
This was an amazing episode. The guests are incredible. Megan has had to be so brave. The LDS so-called leaders should hang their heads in shame. During this long littany of tragedies, they even advised members to not read about or watch anything about the Daybell/Vallow case. The night before Charles Vallow was murdered by Alex Cox, encouraged by Chad and Lori, Charles went to Lori's home, accompanied by his Bishop. Police broke in and found the home deserted. After the murder, the next day, the Bishop never came forward to give evidence. Chad Daybell followed Joseph Smith's playbook. When Melanie Gibb invited Lori to a cult meeting, chad was the speaker. He introduced himself to Lori and told her he had been married to her in a previous life. This case is being viewed daily and read about online and even in newspapers, all over the world. The word Mormon is mentioned constantly. The mormon church in my city has closed. That religion is dying all over Europe. It is fast disappearing the world over. Mormon has become associated with murders. So many murders, by Utah men, of their wives is terrifying. It is only a matter of time before there will be a massive crisis for the leaders. Their lies and despotic behaviour is becomming very well known. Edit: There is another dangerous cult growing in Utah. The leaders are Jodie Hildebrand and Ruby Franke, and the cult is called ConneXions Utah. They have created a system to teach children to "act their truth". It's brutal, but so many are being drawn into it. It is breaking up families. Hildebrand lost her Therapist licence for a few years, for telling a patient's Bishop about the patient's porn addictions, for which he had sought treatment. They have a Facebook a/c named Connexions.
Cochise County AZ has bishops just like the one in Charles's death, they covered up child sexual abuse by one of their members, never reported to LE, just let the children continue to be abused. Look it up, it happened in Bisbee AZ. Just disgusting!
I’ve watched this whole thing more than once. It’s a gripping very sad emotional rollercoaster of a story. With many twists n turns inside of it!!! Great interview. I subbed because of it!!
She is so impressive. Very articulate. And when she reached the point where she mentioned the murder of George Floyd, she explicitly stated that she felt the need to confront her own racism. When people are self critical, it shows that they are willing to be very honest and serious about improving themselves from all angels, including from inside themselves which is often the most difficult.
I came to the church at a later age my husband wasn’t in the church and when he passed away NO ONE CAME to my home or reached out to myself or daughters. When I asked about patriarch blessing I was told I was unworthy of it. And then I was looked down on because I was a single woman raising kids. Then We moved to a heavily populated LDS region and my daughter was called a B!t$h by girls who had temple recommends and these same girls would want to go to the church parking lots to hook up with any boy that was parked there to make out. But my daughter didn’t do any of those things but they called accused her of sleeping around but she never went to the parking lots to make out. So these “Mormon” temple girls accused my daughter who isn’t LDS of all the things they were doing. So I don’t believe in the outward appearances of the Mormons. I have been judge and looked down upon by the church all the time. Why would I go to a church to be judged and not taught ANYTHING about the Bible and God’s word. Because of their behavior my daughters won’t even talk or read the Holy Bible. So they turn people away from God’s word.
It’s a very common thing in small town communities. I was raised by a single mother that was WAY more present that most families with two parents. All I can say is “look at me now, vs. look at them!”
I live in the south end of the Salt Lake Valley. I, too, raised my boys as a single parent .. their father hit me twice - in the face - I had to draw a line. Yep, I was judged by LDS people .. oh how many LDS men I had come to me home .. I am sure thinking I would have sex with them .. NOPE, I have my moral compass .. don’t need a religion to lean on. I am sorry your girls have been pushed away from the God of Goodness because of the actions of some pathetic insecure girls who will grow into pathetic insecure women.
End of 2024 watcher here: Megan is a fantastic guest, and all three contribute to the podcast. I was raised and remain agnostic but when the cohost related her epiphany regarding the group of young women whose majority had experienced sexual abuse or molestation or worse, and compared the standards of the offenders to those of the church, and Megan expressed the same process of illumination, I completely related. That acceptance is something many women experience, myself included. It’s universal. I came because of vallow but I’m hooked. What emotionally intelligent and articulate people these three are!
I can relate so much to Megan’s experience of growing up mormon outside of Utah, with strict controlling parents and a family that doesn’t “do” emotions or speak about anything even remotely uncomfortable, and where appearances are more important than substance. Right down to the bisexuality. The struggle with finding an authentic identity outside of parent’s expectations … everything.
Very sad because Jesus talks about identity. That's where I found my true identity, in Christ Jesus. I was able to love myself and not hurt myself and others. Hurt people hurt other people. The only time I was able to understand life is when I had a relationship with Jesus.
This was so interesting to listen to. My sister was a Mormon and raised her kids in it but then left the church about 7 years ago. This helps me to understand of her strange ways. She and Her family was not fully accepted by the church.
Scary how Heather Daybell and Megan have similar experiences with the church. She did a three-part interview with Hidden True Crime, would be great if she could speak on your channel too. Not saying LDS is the only religion that could do better.
They definitely could do better by women. IMO. I’m a Christian and from the South so not familiar with LDS beliefs. Resembles Church of Christ in regards to women in many ways.
This episode was so gripping! Megan is such a thoughtful, well-spoken, deep person. She had her share of tumbles and is a testament to the fact that we grow and mature throw our tests. I am not LDS but found the talk universally relatable.
Wow.. this was an extra informative interview. I want to thank her for giving her time and being courageous enough to share her story. I learned so much from this interview and I will definitely take many point away from it.
This is such an important interview. So much of what Megan shares resonates with me. I am also a divorced woman who identifies as bisexual. I left the LDS church over nine years ago, and I am still unraveling the convoluted mess of a broken and harmful system that dominated my life for way too many years.
Thank you meegan for being so brave to speak out🙏 I’ve spent the past few nights watching/listening to this captivating podcast, fitting it inbetween my nightshifts, I’m 2nd oldest of 11 kids, grew up in a very strict Roman Catholic household so I understand the whole “ fear factor “ that can come from a religion, I still have my faith but on a lighter form, for example being bisexual or gay, I’ve always had friends that were either bisexual or gay growing up from a young age, always been very open minded, believe we are born with our own individual unique ways but that doesn’t go down well in a Roman Catholic community, hence i choose to believe that what is important in life is being kind to each other, your whole journey in life I could relate too, I was physically abused by my parents, there were no sexual abuse within my own family but there was with a cousin which was “ poopood “ when I tried to talk about it as I got older, you are truly inspirational! You spoke your truth in such a way that it was like watching your life journey in a film, both John and Mindie were wonderful the way they nurtured you to tell it, first time I’ve watched Johns podcast and hooked as he has a such a lovely manner as does Mindie, I felt how you were all feeling/thinking…hope you realise that speaking your truth will help so many many others understand their own feelings/questions in their Mormon experiences and other faiths, know they are not alone and that it’s ok to feel how you’ve been affected…loved listening to every bit of this🙏❤️🙏 I salute you Meegan💕💕💕💕
Being brought up in a strict Roman Catholic family I can SO relate to Megan. The guilt and shame has been a theme my entire life. I cannot express how my mental health profoundly improved since I've gone no contact. My thoughts and prayers go out to Megan ❤
Joe’s sister has spoken in detail about Joe Ryan’s death. I remember a few important points. 1) The court documents show the case worker whom interviewed the kids regarding the abuse report stated that they believed Tyler was coached by the mom, and I think she was even arrested for a short period of time for not abiding by the agreement and keeping Tyler away. So she was losing in court. And all sorts of his personal things were missing (photo albums and other stuff). She was in Hawaii when he passed away, which seems to be a pattern. Annie Kushing has a RUclips channel and she is a very intelligent, fair minded person. Her recount is eye opening. The details she explained are very interesting and downright suspicious. And she was definitely with Charles during this. I don’t know if they were married. These people are capable of heinous acts…
This was absolutely riveting, thank you for sharing and going so deep into the subject without scandalism. Thank you! I am not mormon but some of those patterns are universally relatable.
Tylee did have keys to Joe's apartment. Lori had picture albums that Annie Cushing (Tylee's aunt, Joe's sister) said smelled like decompostion--picture albums that belonged to Joe. Lori told Annie the police let her go into Joe's apartment to get them. Not out of the realm of possibily that Alex could have done something to Joe.
I've watched nearly every interview involving these serial killing mormons, as well as pretty much all witness testimonies in both trials, and countless additional hours of reporter coverage about this clan. This is by far, IMO, the most explosive and informative interview of all of them.
Thank you Megan for you're courage and honesty. I cant imagine what you are going through. This has to be one of the most important videos and needs to be shared! Much love to you❤
Wow. This is such a powerful interview/ discussion on so many levels. While the Lori Vallow story got me here Megan’s story , insight and eloquent no holds bar telling of it is amazing. While not condoning I will say it’s the first thing time I’ve felt any compassion for Lori, the young Lori. Megan’s courage and seeking of truth and herself is inspiring and so admirable. She has so much to offer . Amazing . Really well done , both hosts execute this whole discussion so beautifully. Thank you. So happy I came across this .
I have such admiration and respect for Megan Conner. Ms. Conner is honest, humble, intelligent, relatable, sympathetic, & so beautifully articulate. It brings such joy & relief to know there are people like her out there.
Thanks John, Mindy and Megan for a fascinating podcast. Megan is intelligent, lovely & generous to share her story. She has provided fresh insight about the Chad and Lori murders.
When people refer to alex’s brain injury as an explanation for his ability to be a cold blooded murderer.. how can you explain why Lori was arranging the murders?! Just because she didn’t pull the trigger or suffocate the victim.. doesn’t mean she isn’t complicit in the killing. Alex wouldn’t have killed all those people if Lori didn’t tell him to.
I think it’s an explanation on why he listened blindly to her. And it gave her the tool to fulfill her murderous plans. If he wasn’t there or if he was different, she might not have had the opportunity to do what she did.
Any patriarchal system , in my opinion and experience, is WAY out of balance and doomed to be utterly abusive and controlling. I hope this can be a wake up call for some. Megan is so lovely and strong. I wish her all the best. As a truth teller in my dysfunctional family, I know the cost can be high. I'll pay it. My heart breaks for the abuse children suffer in indoctrinated systems where they may never know who they were truly meant to be, but this is over the top, stuff of horror. People are popping off all over the place and then we take that in which is trauma food in and of itself. How to balance out the education vs the consumption. ? This interview is a balanced one and I appreciate everyone who spoke. Thank You.
Megan is absolutely amazing - to be as honest, direct, clear-headed and intelligent in her analysis as she is having gone through the amount of trauma of her own, even aside from this horror, is absolutely laudable because it doesn't happen without real self-work, and that's incredibly hard to face when you haven't grown up in an emotionally health family setting. I'm in awe of her as a person and I hope she's proud of herself and her incredible development.
I can't get my head around the story of Stacey dying......first of all why was the dad giving her morphine.....second of all Alex going out of his way to say she said she was going to take a big shot of insulin.....third of all Barry and Janice staying on vacation in Hawaii while their daughter lay dying and then 4th of all Alex using Stacey credit card while she lay s dying I mean along with everything else the mind boggles
I'm so glad people are getting out or Mormonism. Leaving Catholicism was one of the best things I've ever done. It is hard not to have a faith community, but the abuses inherent in religion far outweigh any benefits.
I also have left Catholicism, not agnostic or atheist but not practicing any organized religion. After looking up to priests and nuns all my life and learning that friends I grew up with had been abused, then the church covered it up for decades, as well as learning other religions that have histories of abuses, trust is gone. I want to pray, a walk in nature is as good as any building.
❤ I would be so very proud to be Megan's mother. I would give her a million hugs, wrap her in a soft blanket, and binge-watch Netflix together. Keeping her child was an amazing choice and Megan is a hero in my eyes. 🏡If Megan ever came to Portland, Oregon, I'd welcome her into my home in a heartbeat 💗.
@@codirennke1109'm honestly so shocked, I came here thinking she would be evasive weak and making excuses, instead I think she's stronger than I am, brilliant and loving. Wow ❤
@Foxsuper1 it's good you were open to hearing her out. I'm wondering why you had those assumptions to begin with? Genuinely curious because I never heard of her before this and I tend not to judge a person before I've heard them out.
I loved this interview! I watched her interview on HTC and enjoyed that. I loved the added insight of this and the additional dive into the LDS aspects and her faith deconstruction. Megan is so courageous! I felt like she came off very sincere, balanced, and emotionally wise.
I married my husband he was raised mormon but he was a jack mormon I am a Christian needless to say his family wasnt very happy and didnt treat me very nice until we gave them grandchildren. We were married in a christian church which they didnt like. We were together for 30 yrs until he died of cancer.
Doesn’t really believe or doesn’t follow some of the tenets or is more casual about it-lots of them are a lot of fun-some are hypocrites-but lots are open about their Jack Mormon-ness
I am happy to see that you distinguished between the Mormon Church and Christianity. Mormons are not Christians although they present themselves that way. They do not believe in the Trinity. They do not baptize “in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”. They do not believe in the Virgin Birth. They are Polytheistic.
Listening to this is really enlightening. In my secular family there was some disfunction, but we were always allowed to be who we were. The pressures were to do well in school, get a good job. This looking good, secrets in the family, disconnect between what the church teaches and what happens in the heirarchy,: makes me feel a whole lot better about my ethical, rational, polite family. Whew.
I was never Mormon but I grew up in a strict religious household (i never looked back once I went to college) and all I can say is wow. I relate so much with Megan’s family dynamic and it’s still a challenge to unlearn those behaviors to this day. It was absolutely heartbreaking to hear the things Megan was subjected to and how little support she had from her family. I’m in awe with how brave and resilient she is/was. I can’t imagine how she must have felt 😢 I’m so glad she was able to share her story while also giving insight to Lori’s background.
Thank you Megan for speaking up & thanks to MSP for bringing on Megan, to shine her light into this. So difficult to grasp why Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy had to die; and as no defendant chooses to confess, these family witnesses to suspects‘ lives is the closest we get to a better understanding of how events at hand may had come to pass.
I was listening to this at work and it was so compelling that I stayed an hour and a half later than I was scheduled at work to wash dishes and keep listening to the pod. The interviewers did a very good job and the guest brought up a lot of interesting anecdotes/memories
So I’m not Mormon nor have I ever been but I thought this was such a great conversation. I love that you guys are able to have such a open conversation even though she is no longer following the same faith. I respect that at no point did you try to convince her that she’s made the wrong decision or try to push her back into the lifestyle you follow.
Wow! You are so well spoken and such a beautiful person. I grew up in and still live in Orange County, California. I didn't grow up Mormon. I grew up in an evangelical Christian church and I can relate sooooo much to so many things you talk about in your own life. Thank you for being so open and vulnerable in sharing your story. I wish you all the best in your life. ❤
I have no idea how I ended up on this video! I'm not religious, not Mormon and live in the UK, I had to Google who Lori Vallow was. I found Megan Conners story absolutely amazing and insightful. Thank you.
Have you learned the rest of the story yet? 😢😢
@@emilyflotilla931 Hi Emily, yes, I've done a deep dive on the background story. Wow, Lori and Chad are very very ill, a cult situation going on there. So sad that so many people died because of her and by her and her partner.
@contiflex The stuff nightmares are made of! Thank Goodness she won't hurt anyone else.
@contiflex. You and me both! Not religious, not Mormon, in the UK. Googled Vallow Daybell and here I am.
@contiflex
It’s riveting, isn’t it?
I was baptized Catholic, just woke up one day in 2001 and realized that most of it was a crock of shyte. It was the child sex abuse done by the higher-ups that tore it for me.
There is much I admire about the LDS faith-the way they help their neighbors, their stocking up their pantries to have a food reserve…one thinks of the locust swarm devastating the early LDS pioneers’ crops, then the flock of seagulls coming to the rescue by eating the locusts!
I think the seagull may be the Utah state bird.
We need to be accepting of different faiths, that helps us make a better world.
I’ve never watched a four-hour podcast in one sitting before. This was just so fascinating.
Welcome to the marathon that is Mormon stories. I love listening to these long podcasts while I work from home.
Same❤
Ive never listened to a podcast this long but i was so entralled by her story. What a brave beautiful woman.
I love how crazy long Mormon Stories goes.
Charles also went to the Bishop and law enforcement begging for help concerned for Lori. He was ignored.
He tried to get a mental assessment done on her but it wasn't enforced or followed up.
Separately, Heather Daybell also went to her church leadership with concerns and was brushed off.
Lori DID go to the mental health assessment that Charles initiated. She PASSED whatever questions they asked her (would love to get ahold of THAT meeting) and they LET HER GO. 😭 Btw, Melanie Gibb stated this in one of her interviews, and said that she accompanied Lori to that assessment, waited for her there until it was over, and then they left together.
The police officers actually told Lori how to get out of having to comply with the mental evaluation. Is there, on a video that was recorded with one of the officers body cam.... Unreal!
AZ really screwed up this case, have they taken action after Charles murder, Tylee, JJ, & Tammy will still be alive, & Lori & Alex would have been in prison.
Yes! And the LDS church need to answer for their negligence 😡
The moderator of this podcast is not listening and it makes this podcast hard to listen to, no one takes notes no one is prepared!
@@tlc4701 I agree!! She was asked several times questions she had already answered! This guy gave me the creeps, he is only in it for views not the actual story. Otherwise he would pay attention!
He frustrated me right through out the podcast and he was actually quite rude in some of it and showed little compassion!
Probably the best Cox family reveal of all time. Thank-you Megan for your many candid and insightful observations. What happened with Stacey made my head explode. It was right under our noses all along but none of us could even imagine this. This explains sooooo much. Megan that whole night was completely staged. The Cox's (ALL!) conveniently "In Hawaii" except for the family hit man. They let your parents do the heavy lifting with making all the arrangements, while they frolicked in the sun. The Lori apple did not fall off the tree accidentally. The entire barrell was rotten. Lori was just following the family script: Alibi 101. Point Alex in the right direction and say GO.
Also, I’d even say that Lori was part of the planning of her sisters murder. That’s why she felt so confident to do it again with her angel alex her brother and lover. Sick sick people. This entire family is to blame especially the mother Janice and father Barry! All culpable.
This was so great! I loved it! Thank you for your insights Megan! I wondered way back about Stacey’s death, as there was such a trail. It makes so much sense! Megan, John and Mindy~ THANK YOU! ESPECIALLY, shares that were so difficult!❤❤❤
Didn't Janice debunk the notion that
" Alex isn't the family hitman" on national TV ??!!
So many suspicious deaths surrounding these people.
@karen maguire WELL SAID!
EVIL!
“Parenting is a real thing, not just a concept” that resonated with me so much! Thanks for all involved, what a great discussion and story.
So many people are saying this has nothing to do with LDS and telling people that it is is a stretch but I'm glad Megan is saying what she's saying because these beliefs that Chad and Lori have came from somewhere.
I would say it was a stretch too if I were still a member 😂
These are not our LDS beliefs
their mentality is the problem they would've ran with that from any old teaching its not fair to blame the church.
These are based in Mormon beliefs but twisted out of their context.
No shit, anyone who believes otherwise is so seriously disturbed. And brainwashed.
I have never been more riveted by an interview as I have this one, thank you Megan for having a courage to speak out
Me too. Fabulous insight❤
same. I'm not even Mormon (but there is some overlap )-- can't help but thinking this incredibly insightful earnest and poignant woman is exactly the type of person who will lead to some kind of new future that dismantles structures of power for powers sake. Very very insightful
Doesn’t this resonate with the 2001 Movie Frailty?
This woman’s strength. 😮
@@ev1193 ha - i forgot about that movie. Bill Paxton was too cool
Given the family didn’t come back to see their dying daughter, speaks volumes of what evil this family is capable of …
Isn't it shocking? So cold
Doesn’t it?
I think they went to Hawaii while Alex "helped her go". It seems this could be the origin of the pattern for Lori. Go to Hawaii while Alex takes care of something the family doesn't want around. Being a burden, outing the family secrets etc.
I think it's really sus that Lori was leaving baby Colby with her father (an arguably known alleged abuser) considering Colby never retracted the claims against Tylee's dad but investigators cleared Tylee's dad and his home as an abusive person/location. Was Lori trying to clean up her dad's abuse of colby
@@pikachu7572 i think she manipulated Colby into thinking he was SA by Joe Ryan so he to this day beieves its true. I thought it was all made up but maybe it was her dad that SA Colby and she covered it up.
Riveting interview! This guest shares information you won't find anywhere else. Mormonism is so much a part of this horrific story, and she lays it out perfectly.
so true
Mormonism is wack.
Megan describes the REAL Lori. She was never the 'sweet' Lori described by some who could not see through her manipulation.
What their describing is a sociopath. Lori watched the behavior of others, their emotional reaction and copied it. She realized being sweet would work well for her so that's how she behaved.
Riveting
Just like Scientology
@@finalflowerchildEXACTLY 💯
@Synaesthesia I knew a sociopath up close. They're born that way.
I was hoping to hear more from Megan after listening to the interview she did on Hidden True Crime. She’s such a good speaker! I wish all the best for her and her family.
I believe these are MAN made teachings …Non of which have actual proof to back up the teachings they teach….Megan brings up validity to what she is saying…she needs to speak to more people and groups to open their minds…
Me too!
@Jazzy’s Mommy, yep, man made to control others. You see it in other religions too. They also use it as a front to hide their "sins". Think of all of the molestation of children that has occurred by holy than thou members of the Catholic and Mormon churches alone.🤬
Megan be careful with this family pray for protection as they do not fear hurting others!
@@glynn2023Why are you trying to advise her. She knows them intimately
I’m so impressed with Megan’s intelligence and ability to articulate given how close she is to all of this. She’s clearly done a lot of amazing inner work to overcome her family system. 💜
Peeking into their family dynamic and how her church was, as well as the Mormon religion, its hard to imagine anyone overcoming it all. She's a fucking legend, must have been awful
I really agree
I am really enjoying having Mindy as Co host. She does a great job at validating and she is adding a lot to this episode
Mindy is righteous.
She’s a very good listener which is encouraging in contrast to the other host who tends to mix things up and forget things quickly
@@NachoAE360 yes! i came to the comments to see if anyone else felt that way about him. easy things
I am a follower of the story of Chad and Lori, I am R/C and live in Australia. I was so shocked at the male host who seemingly had done absolutely no research. He was totally annoying and thank goodness he had Mindy. Megan did really well in how she did not become irritated by this. She is an amazing person who deserves the best in her future.
@@lorrainehughes-smith199Yeah, I just found this channel a week ago, and I enjoy the stories, but John is constantly asking questions about things the guest just answered. It gives the impression that he isn't listening, and his guests are being very courageous by telling their stories.
The circumstances surrounding Stacy's death have always sounded suspicious to me. The story that Megan suggests sounds closer to the truth. Also the Cox's are big life insurance fans. How many policies were written in Stacy's name prior to her death?
My questions exactly. I would love to know!
Well, we know now that if something was about to go down, Lori needed to get to Hawaii. She literally took that idea from her parents!
Appreciate you Megan! I'm from the UK and have never been a Mormon but have found this video compelling, straightforward and above all honest while not being in any way a sensationalist! I find these high control groups fascinating from a distance but I'm thankful I can't comprehend being involved in one.
I wasn’t raised Mormon but I do have childhood trauma and this gal s journey is so inspiring to me. How she started to change things that caused her stress and panic attacks.
Powerful testament to healing.
☀️
This really was a stellar episode, and Megan is incredibly brave, and strong. I truly wish nothing but the very best for her on her journey. Side note: I’ve also used EMDR to reprocess traumas in my life, and it does seem pretty miraculous, like she said. It’s so good to hear that it helped her too.
Agree❤❤❤
Glad Megan has a chance to speak and share her story. Thanks for giving us an insite to your life and loris
@@alshore6227 she really is. ❤
Can we find out if Lories father had life insurance on Melonies mother? Since he was in insurance, and it looks like he may have assigned Alex to give Melonies mother a big insulin shot, he may have had insurance on her. It is so terrible to consider the damage parents can do to the lives of all their children’s lives. Especially when they are secretly evil and self righteous.
That is an excellent question/observation. I would love to know. Until this interview, I never realized that Megan later suspects that Alex may have given Stacy an overdose of insulin...I suspect she is right!
Didn't she try kill her husband?....
I grew up Jehovah’s Witness. I had no idea how much this control goes in. Different religion but so many “wow” moments of clarification about my own upbringing and damage cause by it.
Thank you for this insight and into Lori and her family. Ties a lot of things together in this heartbreaking case. ❤️
Hope you're both PO/MO
@@easttntab I'm pretty sure Charles was into Seventh Day Adventist, they believe in sleep death, many similar beliefs.
@@1Andelina1no, he was lifelong roman catholic
Jws just stick w the Bible tho, not whacked out teachings, the Bible does have rules yknow
In the documentary "sins of our mother", Lori's mother did talk about her previous comments on TV, when she said lori would never hurt the kids. It's heartbreaking. Her mother remembering what she had said and recognizing "everyone was right, I was wrong". Gut wrenching.
Thanks for this interview!
I actually love janice except for her abuse of Charles.
Incredible “talk among friends” not at all the “interview” type podcasts I’m used to seeing. Absolutely loved listening to this. It’s rare to get so much insight into a family story . So many angles and relationships for so many years.
Such a strong and courageous woman ❤ I saw Megan’s interview w/ Lauren on Hidden True Crime and was saddened by her struggles and family’s pain. Thank you for sharing your truth so that ppl can relate better to the story and better understand the group/ppl’s background & motives, hopefully. Megan is very poised, strong, beautiful, & BRAVE; I commend her desire to explore her own family dynamics, shine light on the skeletons in its closet, & find the strength to survive and THRIVE… despite all that she’s been through, as well as do what it take to find a place that’s safer and more comfortable and supportive. Prayers for her and her Fam. ❤
I have never been anywhere near a Mormon church and have never been a church member of any religion, yet Megan's life sounds similar to mine in many ways.
What a beautiful sentiment for Megan, and so well-written. I hope she reads it and believe that because it's true.
@@angesoup I agree
Wow!! Lori learned this behavior from her parents.
I like her that is all i can say she has a good soul !
I started this video for a family member’s insider perspective on Lori Vallow, but truly the most captivating part was Megan’s own story, and her thoughtful introspection on the LDS faith and how the teachings and culture can be toxic and even breed people with such radical beliefs. Absolutely captivated from start to finish, thank you Megan. You and your family have been through so much, thank you for sharing
Megan should write a book. Her stories are fascinating and her wisdom and heart shine through her words.
I think she did write a book. She said she did write a book during COVID.
She has written a book but not about Lori and Chad. From what I’ve read it’s about being sex trafficked in her early teenage years. Also how sexual trafficking is often not what we think it is. I believe it occurred 3-4 years but yet she still went to school every day and slept in her own bed every night. I believe I got that info from Hidden True Crime and Megan’s interview with them. I believe it is in the description.
Absolutely I'd buy it
I agree, she makes so much sense. I feel her pain and anguish. Someone in the comments used riveting, exactly.
@@kissykay07 I think that’s a different Megan conners. I looked up books about sex trafficking and the picture doesn’t match her. It’s a woman that I think may be younger than her and that had cancer.
Oh my goodness,, I couldn't stop listening. Such a sad and compelling story. Thanks to Megan for being brave enough to tell it, and risk the wrath of those family members still loyal to Lori. All the best to the three of you.
Wow. What an incredible podcast! Thank you for sharing your story Megan!! I’m in awe of how well put together your thoughts are and how you’re able to speak so eloquently.
Another interview conducted with sensitivity and respect - well done John and Mindy. I was reminded of Elissa Wall in terms of the same level of intelligence, eloquence and perspective from Megan and her willingness to open up in the face of such a tragedy. I was riveted for the whole 4+ hours. Interesting and eye opening in so many areas. Thank you so much Megan and the MSP team.
This is such a powerful episode. Thank you Megan for sharing your story.
Such a beautiful strong woman! I am blown away by her personality perseverance and resilience!
6 kids! No support nor from man or her family! Yet she’s intelligent,
articulate, bright and empathetic!
Wow! This cult she grew up in could not destroy her amazing spirit!
She should be given all possible platforms to talk and advocate for kids and women, she is the example of the victorious person against the heinous system! Wow
This is the first time i have heard anyone in the family suggest that Stacy was killed, though i think a lot of us suspected it.This is huge.Poor Stacy😢What a family.I hope this lady can find peace.
I just can’t believe how a family could go on vacation while their daughter was on hospice and dying. Left to die alone and only alex of all people to look after her.. I don’t understand how Barry was getting morphine to give to Stacey since the side effects are loss of appetite, weight loss and drop of blood sugars. She was 76 pounds and had type 1 diabetes! Kinda like Lori giving her children pills to knock them out to not have to deal with them.. was Barry trying to not have to deal with her being sick and giving her Morphine?!
I think you are right.. I have always counted Stacy as potentially being the first of 7 to meet an untimely end. This is such an important interview tonight.
Another question.. how much life insurance did Barry have on Stacey. He sold life insurance and would have had a policy on her. Lori would have seen Barry profit from death at a young age if this is in fact true.
Crazy thing, on Sins of our mother, Lori's mom never once listed Stacy or her 3 months old as her children! I now wonder Bout the cause of death of the baby?!?!
@Jennifer I never knew the allegations of SA to Stacy from Barry. I always suspected he SA Lori now I think he SA all his daughters. This was just my impression
This whole story is way deeper than I expected. It’s absolutely insane how deep what Lori did goes
I can't believe these people are so gullible it's a joke your not supposed to judge people and yet that's all they do
@@cynthiawilson5066and you’re judging them.
Best thing in the world for this orthodox raised mormon girl was to go to a private Catholic college I owe them so much. John's comment really got me. I just wanted to say how healthy and happy I was at Catholic school and even though I never converted, I was surrounded by people who really cared about me for who I was. Maybe someone needs to hesr this because it an authentic loving community and I thank God everyday I didn't end up at a mormon school.
I glad it was good experience for you. I went to a Catholic University. I am Catholic but there were many non Catholics. We didn't have those ethics standards like BYU. I can't imagine going to Mormon school. When I first listened to MS guest's talk about BYU to me it sounded like major thing was to find spouse not education.
@@merricat3025 Exactly, my Catholic School was about education, critical thinking, and it did wonders for healing my trauma.
@@mrs.stephens8744 ❤️
I’m grateful for my Catholic education bc of how safe, enriching, and compassionate the environment was.
Although, I have noticed that there’s ALOT of disdain and almost competition(?), or something similar, generally felt by Mormons re: Catholicism…
I’m not sure why it’s stronger or more obvious/distinguishable, than how they feel abt &/or regard any of the other Christian denominations?
Was it a Jesuit school? Curious because they tend to be a bit more open w education
I’m so so so proud of Megan!!! I am an EMDR therapist and I agree wholeheartedly that it is a miraculous protocol and does what talk therapy cannot get to!! Yayyyy you, Megan!!!👏👏👏💖💖💖
I grew up lds. I'm one of 9 kids and appearance was everything. You didn't do anything to make the family look bad. That was the worst sin you could commit.
Happens in many families no matter what the religious faith or beliefs.
That’s true. I did not grow up seeking perfection, even in the LDS faith. I actually love that the LDS faith teaches that sun will happen and it’s necessary. Perfectionism is a culture thing, not a religious thing .
This explains quite a lot about the Cox family dynamic to me.
To who? Your lord and savior? This is so sad. Move away and learn religious is a a tool used to control people. It’s not real.
People commenting that it has nothing to do with religion are missing it. Of course it csn happen without it, but it's an EXTREMELY pivotal part of Mormonism. David O. McKay came in and literally made it a core part of the religion. It's the reason why Mormon men can't have hair below the ears or facial hair to this day. It's the reason women smile and smile and smile and smile and smile. It's the reason most Mormons push their children so hard academically... You can't deny thst this image obsession is more concentrated amongst Mormons than the general population UNLESS you don't understand personally that life experience.
I’d already seen the discussion with Megan on the Hidden True Crime channel, so I was curious whether this conversation would be similar, totally different or another thing entirely.
I’m pleased to say that y’all held my attention 100% of the time, with twists & turns and ups, downs & allllllllll arounds.
Thank you so much for baring your soul so that we might understand. 💜💜💜
This is incredible. What a very good interviewer. So caring. What wonderful insights. ThankYou .
No way did I think I would watch 4 and 1/2 hours of any podcast. I recharged my phone 3x but couldn’t look away. This was so informative on many serious topics. Megan was absolutely amazing! Please keep being you and spreading truth. I am sure that your children are so proud of you and sealed with you no matter what anyone says. ❤️
This was powerful Megan. Time well spent listening to your story. Blessings on you and your children. Thanks to Mormon podcast. A Necessity in our day and time.
This was an AMAZING episode. Thank you, Megan for sharing your story and being so vulnerable. I also very much appreciated Mindy’s voice and her questions during the interview. She did a fantastic job as well!
Alex had admitted to the plan to murder Joe and Joe filled police reports about alex stalking him for months. Alex was planning to kill Joe Ryan the same way he ended up killing Charles. Police interviewed Alexs ex wife and she recounted what Alex had told her “Alex had indicated to Debbie that he wanted to bait Joseph into a fight so that he could kill him in seif-defense. It was said in a joking way but seemed weird to Debbie. As a result of this conversation she never talked with Alex again.” It’s a tragedy that Joseph Ryan will never get justice because he was murdered.
"I would love it if someone in the church would come forward and tell the truth." That's it right there. That's what all of us would love. Sadly, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. But still a perfect statement, Megan. Thank you.
Thank you both for hosting this podcast, and thank you especially to Megan for her extreme bravery in talking about her life through the pain she has experienced. This was very enlightening, interesting, and very sad, but the truth always serves to protect and comfort. I wish you peace, comfort, and truth always.
Megan so much Cox family insight. I am related to Joe Ryan. I can fill in the blanks on some of your concerns surrounding his death. I have to say, a lot of what you talk about, Lori's upbringing, her narcissistic behavior at a young age really confirms a lot of what Joe and I talked about. Also, to clarify Joe never legally adopted Colby.
What a vile family
Wow, what a strong woman! I’m very inspired by her clear headed, well balanced take on life after so much trauma.
Megan saying that people could say that demons can possess people and the only way to get rid of the demons was to kill the body gave me chills because this was months before Jody and Ruby were abusing those children under the guise of ridding them of demons. Those children weren’t going to survive.
Great episode, thank you for sharing with us Megan. I’ve been listening to Lori’s trial &
I’ve followed this case since it hit the news.
She is EXACTLY RIGHT about how the church treats the fatherless or divorced. I was treated HORRIBLY, and was even told I could no longer have the missionaries to dinner, because, I was single and would be tempted to sleep with the missionaries. Soooo gross. No matter how hard I tried I was cast aside. Oh; the abuse runs deep as to what they did to me.
I don't understand how Lori could be divorced so many times yet be in good standing within the LDS church?!?!
Lmfao I’ve only heard of this happening in Utah and the 1980s. Craziness.
@thecandicewang because she was white and her husbands had enough good money to give tithing every month.
I could listen to her speak for days. Great insight wonderfully presented. Thank you.
Much gratitude to Megan for generously doing this long-form interview! It is so helpful to get some family background, and history, in order to help the general public to better understand such a strange, convoluted, disturbing and tragic series of events. This was a long journey leading to the deaths of these 4 people (possibly 5), and Lori apparently honed her ability to manipulate and control many people throughout her life, starting with siblings and, perhaps, her parents as well. Then she crossed paths with another manipulator, Chad Daybell, and this confluence turned diabolically insane and surreal. I imagine several books will be written on this story, because it is so complex and convoluted.
This was an amazing episode. The guests are incredible. Megan has had to be so brave. The LDS so-called leaders should hang their heads in shame. During this long littany of tragedies, they even advised members to not read about or watch anything about the Daybell/Vallow case. The night before Charles Vallow was murdered by Alex Cox, encouraged by Chad and Lori, Charles went to Lori's home, accompanied by his Bishop. Police broke in and found the home deserted. After the murder, the next day, the Bishop never came forward to give evidence. Chad Daybell followed Joseph Smith's playbook. When Melanie Gibb invited Lori to a cult meeting, chad was the speaker. He introduced himself to Lori and told her he had been married to her in a previous life.
This case is being viewed daily and read about online and even in newspapers, all over the world. The word Mormon is mentioned constantly. The mormon church in my city has closed. That religion is dying all over Europe. It is fast disappearing the world over. Mormon has become associated with murders. So many murders, by Utah men, of their wives is terrifying. It is only a matter of time before there will be a massive crisis for the leaders. Their lies and despotic behaviour is becomming very well known.
Edit: There is another dangerous cult growing in Utah. The leaders are Jodie Hildebrand and Ruby Franke, and the cult is called ConneXions Utah. They have created a system to teach children to "act their truth". It's brutal, but so many are being drawn into it. It is breaking up families. Hildebrand lost her Therapist licence for a few years, for telling a patient's Bishop about the patient's porn addictions, for which he had sought treatment. They have a Facebook a/c named Connexions.
You should check your facts about the LDS church. It is not dying and not synonymous with murder. Please be kind
The Danites just turned into the Mormon mafia. Check out “Mormon Monarch” for more on this and blood atonement
@@LIMITLESSFEMALE I would say BE HONEST!
Cochise County AZ has bishops just like the one in Charles's death, they covered up child sexual abuse by one of their members, never reported to LE, just let the children continue to be abused. Look it up, it happened in Bisbee AZ. Just disgusting!
The facts of LDS are made up with spiritual eyes. There are no real facts
Awesome interview, the revelation comparing Chad Daybell to Joseph Smith was powerful.
I’ve watched this whole thing more than once. It’s a gripping very sad emotional rollercoaster of a story. With many twists n turns inside of it!!! Great interview. I subbed because of it!!
This was a great interview! Gave me even more insight into this case.
Thank you, everyone involved!
She is so impressive. Very articulate. And when she reached the point where she mentioned the murder of George Floyd, she explicitly stated that she felt the need to confront her own racism. When people are self critical, it shows that they are willing to be very honest and serious about improving themselves from all angels, including from inside themselves which is often the most difficult.
I came to the church at a later age my husband wasn’t in the church and when he passed away NO ONE CAME to my home or reached out to myself or daughters. When I asked about patriarch blessing I was told I was unworthy of it. And then I was looked down on because I was a single woman raising kids. Then We moved to a heavily populated LDS region and my daughter was called a B!t$h by girls who had temple recommends and these same girls would want to go to the church parking lots to hook up with any boy that was parked there to make out. But my daughter didn’t do any of those things but they called accused her of sleeping around but she never went to the parking lots to make out. So these “Mormon” temple girls accused my daughter who isn’t LDS of all the things they were doing. So I don’t believe in the outward appearances of the Mormons. I have been judge and looked down upon by the church all the time. Why would I go to a church to be judged and not taught ANYTHING about the Bible and God’s word. Because of their behavior my daughters won’t even talk or read the Holy Bible. So they turn people away from God’s word.
It’s a very common thing in small town communities. I was raised by a single mother that was WAY more present that most families with two parents. All I can say is “look at me now, vs. look at them!”
I live in the south end of the Salt Lake Valley. I, too, raised my boys as a single parent .. their father hit me twice - in the face - I had to draw a line. Yep, I was judged by LDS people .. oh how many LDS men I had come to me home .. I am sure thinking I would have sex with them .. NOPE, I have my moral compass .. don’t need a religion to lean on.
I am sorry your girls have been pushed away from the God of Goodness because of the actions of some pathetic insecure girls who will grow into pathetic insecure women.
Omg, your story is one I could have written. Texas Mormons, who had moved from Utah, that I grew up with.
Be grateful for being ostracized from the cult religion.
I pray your daughters don’t stay away from our God because of man. It’s two different topics. I left churches because it was of “man” not God.
Megan is so brave! Such an important and timely interview! Thank you!
End of 2024 watcher here: Megan is a fantastic guest, and all three contribute to the podcast. I was raised and remain agnostic but when the cohost related her epiphany regarding the group of young women whose majority had experienced sexual abuse or molestation or worse, and compared the standards of the offenders to those of the church, and Megan expressed the same process of illumination, I completely related. That acceptance is something many women experience, myself included. It’s universal. I came because of vallow but I’m hooked. What emotionally intelligent and articulate people these three are!
I can relate so much to Megan’s experience of growing up mormon outside of Utah, with strict controlling parents and a family that doesn’t “do” emotions or speak about anything even remotely uncomfortable, and where appearances are more important than substance. Right down to the bisexuality. The struggle with finding an authentic identity outside of parent’s expectations … everything.
Very sad because Jesus talks about identity. That's where I found my true identity, in Christ Jesus. I was able to love myself and not hurt myself and others. Hurt people hurt other people. The only time I was able to understand life is when I had a relationship with Jesus.
@@ainokea911 Thanks for sharing.
Everyone I know that have left the LDS cult had a similar experience.
This was so interesting to listen to. My sister was a Mormon and raised her kids in it but then left the church about 7 years ago. This helps me to understand of her strange ways. She and Her family was not fully accepted by the church.
Yep, cults shun you when you leave. Religions don’t shun when you leave.
Scary how Heather Daybell and Megan have similar experiences with the church. She did a three-part interview with Hidden True Crime, would be great if she could speak on your channel too. Not saying LDS is the only religion that could do better.
They definitely could do better by women. IMO. I’m a Christian and from the South so not familiar with LDS beliefs. Resembles Church of Christ in regards to women in many ways.
Who is Heather Daybell?
@@cynthiawilson5066 Chad’s sister in law. Married to his brother Mark.
@@cynthiawilson5066 Chad's sister-in-law. They live down the road from Chad. See Hidden True Crime for her 3 part interview.
The parallels between these murders and the Lafferties are striking. A series should be done on this just like Under the Banner of Heaven.
I wish the jury could watch this. Wow just wow. THANK you for sharing.
This episode was so gripping! Megan is such a thoughtful, well-spoken, deep person. She had her share of tumbles and is a testament to the fact that we grow and mature throw our tests. I am not LDS but found the talk universally relatable.
Wow.. this was an extra informative interview. I want to thank her for giving her time and being courageous enough to share her story.
I learned so much from this interview and I will definitely take many point away from it.
This is such an important interview. So much of what Megan shares resonates with me. I am also a divorced woman who identifies as bisexual. I left the LDS church over nine years ago, and I am still unraveling the convoluted mess of a broken and harmful system that dominated my life for way too many years.
Thank you meegan for being so brave to speak out🙏 I’ve spent the past few nights watching/listening to this captivating podcast, fitting it inbetween my nightshifts, I’m 2nd oldest of 11 kids, grew up in a very strict Roman Catholic household so I understand the whole “ fear factor “ that can come from a religion, I still have my faith but on a lighter form, for example being bisexual or gay, I’ve always had friends that were either bisexual or gay growing up from a young age, always been very open minded, believe we are born with our own individual unique ways but that doesn’t go down well in a Roman Catholic community, hence i choose to believe that what is important in life is being kind to each other, your whole journey in life I could relate too, I was physically abused by my parents, there were no sexual abuse within my own family but there was with a cousin which was “ poopood “ when I tried to talk about it as I got older, you are truly inspirational! You spoke your truth in such a way that it was like watching your life journey in a film, both John and Mindie were wonderful the way they nurtured you to tell it, first time I’ve watched Johns podcast and hooked as he has a such a lovely manner as does Mindie, I felt how you were all feeling/thinking…hope you realise that speaking your truth will help so many many others understand their own feelings/questions in their Mormon experiences and other faiths, know they are not alone and that it’s ok to feel how you’ve been affected…loved listening to every bit of this🙏❤️🙏 I salute you Meegan💕💕💕💕
Being brought up in a strict Roman Catholic family I can SO relate to Megan. The guilt and shame has been a theme my entire life. I cannot express how my mental health profoundly improved since I've gone no contact. My thoughts and prayers go out to Megan ❤
Joe’s sister has spoken in detail about Joe Ryan’s death. I remember a few important points. 1) The court documents show the case worker whom interviewed the kids regarding the abuse report stated that they believed Tyler was coached by the mom, and I think she was even arrested for a short period of time for not abiding by the agreement and keeping Tyler away. So she was losing in court. And all sorts of his personal things were missing (photo albums and other stuff). She was in Hawaii when he passed away, which seems to be a pattern. Annie Kushing has a RUclips channel and she is a very intelligent, fair minded person. Her recount is eye opening. The details she explained are very interesting and downright suspicious. And she was definitely with Charles during this. I don’t know if they were married. These people are capable of heinous acts…
This was absolutely riveting, thank you for sharing and going so deep into the subject without scandalism. Thank you! I am not mormon but some of those patterns are universally relatable.
Thank you Megan for your courage to share your experience ❤
As always, Thank you John for Mormon stories
Can we get Mindy reading some audiobooks her voice is so sweet and easy to listen to
Tylee did have keys to Joe's apartment. Lori had picture albums that Annie Cushing (Tylee's aunt, Joe's sister) said smelled like decompostion--picture albums that belonged to Joe. Lori told Annie the police let her go into Joe's apartment to get them. Not out of the realm of possibily that Alex could have done something to Joe.
Oh wow where did you read this
@@dukethecolors I heard this from Annie Cushing's RUclips.
I've watched nearly every interview involving these serial killing mormons, as well as pretty much all witness testimonies in both trials, and countless additional hours of reporter coverage about this clan. This is by far, IMO, the most explosive and informative interview of all of them.
Thank you Megan for you're courage and honesty. I cant imagine what you are going through. This has to be one of the most important videos and needs to be shared! Much love to you❤
Wow. This is such a powerful interview/ discussion on so many levels. While the Lori Vallow story got me here Megan’s story , insight and eloquent no holds bar telling of it is amazing. While not condoning I will say it’s the first thing time I’ve felt any compassion for Lori, the young Lori.
Megan’s courage and seeking of truth and herself is inspiring and so admirable. She has so much to offer . Amazing . Really well done , both hosts execute this whole discussion so beautifully. Thank you. So happy I came across this .
I have such admiration and respect for Megan Conner. Ms. Conner is honest, humble, intelligent, relatable, sympathetic, & so beautifully articulate. It brings such joy & relief to know there are people like her out there.
Thanks John, Mindy and Megan for a fascinating podcast. Megan is intelligent, lovely & generous to share her story. She has provided fresh insight about the Chad and Lori murders.
When people refer to alex’s brain injury as an explanation for his ability to be a cold blooded murderer.. how can you explain why Lori was arranging the murders?! Just because she didn’t pull the trigger or suffocate the victim.. doesn’t mean she isn’t complicit in the killing. Alex wouldn’t have killed all those people if Lori didn’t tell him to.
Agreed!
There is no proof or medical records, that's the family making excuses for Alex.
Well, most people (without brain injuries) would not kill anyone, even if Lori told them to…
I think it’s an explanation on why he listened blindly to her. And it gave her the tool to fulfill her murderous plans. If he wasn’t there or if he was different, she might not have had the opportunity to do what she did.
Ohhh Lori is very complicit and she knew how to manipulate Alex to do her dirty deeds.
Any patriarchal system , in my opinion and experience, is WAY out of balance and doomed to be utterly abusive and controlling. I hope this can be a wake up call for some. Megan is so lovely and strong. I wish her all the best. As a truth teller in my dysfunctional family, I know the cost can be high. I'll pay it. My heart breaks for the abuse children suffer in indoctrinated systems where they may never know who they were truly meant to be, but this is over the top, stuff of horror. People are popping off all over the place and then we take that in which is trauma food in and of itself. How to balance out the education vs the consumption. ? This interview is a balanced one and I appreciate everyone who spoke. Thank You.
Megan is absolutely amazing - to be as honest, direct, clear-headed and intelligent in her analysis as she is having gone through the amount of trauma of her own, even aside from this horror, is absolutely laudable because it doesn't happen without real self-work, and that's incredibly hard to face when you haven't grown up in an emotionally health family setting.
I'm in awe of her as a person and I hope she's proud of herself and her incredible development.
Haven't listened to you guys in a while. Congrats on nearly 150k
I can't get my head around the story of Stacey dying......first of all why was the dad giving her morphine.....second of all Alex going out of his way to say she said she was going to take a big shot of insulin.....third of all Barry and Janice staying on vacation in Hawaii while their daughter lay dying and then 4th of all Alex using Stacey credit card while she lay s dying I mean along with everything else the mind boggles
I'm so glad people are getting out or Mormonism. Leaving Catholicism was one of the best things I've ever done. It is hard not to have a faith community, but the abuses inherent in religion far outweigh any benefits.
I also have left Catholicism, not agnostic or atheist but not practicing any organized religion. After looking up to priests and nuns all my life and learning that friends I grew up with had been abused, then the church covered it up for decades, as well as learning other religions that have histories of abuses, trust is gone. I want to pray, a walk in nature is as good as any building.
I’m proud of my grandpa who left Mormonism when he was young back in probably the 1920s or 1930s. His siblings stayed.
❤ I would be so very proud to be Megan's mother.
I would give her a million hugs, wrap her in a soft blanket, and binge-watch Netflix together.
Keeping her child was an amazing choice and Megan is a hero in my eyes.
🏡If Megan ever came to Portland, Oregon, I'd welcome her into my home in a heartbeat 💗.
@kellycasper Hanson - I always appreciate comments like yours when written with such Grace
I've never met megan but would welcome her in my home as well. You can feel the honesty and integrity and just how emotionally intelligent she is.
@Karen Meijer Young
Hi Karen,
Thank you for your kind response🌞.
@@codirennke1109'm honestly so shocked, I came here thinking she would be evasive weak and making excuses, instead I think she's stronger than I am, brilliant and loving.
Wow ❤
@Foxsuper1 it's good you were open to hearing her out. I'm wondering why you had those assumptions to begin with? Genuinely curious because I never heard of her before this and I tend not to judge a person before I've heard them out.
I loved this interview! I watched her interview on HTC and enjoyed that. I loved the added insight of this and the additional dive into the LDS aspects and her faith deconstruction. Megan is so courageous! I felt like she came off very sincere, balanced, and emotionally wise.
Thank you so much. I’m taken with this crime and can’t imagine being so close to it. This was a very enlightening podcast
OMG Megan is incredible brave! Thank you for this! Mormon stories podcasts is so awesome! Love this channel!
I married my husband he was raised mormon but he was a jack mormon I am a Christian needless to say his family wasnt very happy and didnt treat me very nice until we gave them grandchildren. We were married in a christian church which they didnt like. We were together for 30 yrs until he died of cancer.
Doesn’t really believe or doesn’t follow some of the tenets or is more casual about it-lots of them are a lot of fun-some are hypocrites-but lots are open about their Jack Mormon-ness
I am happy to see that you distinguished between the Mormon Church and Christianity. Mormons are not Christians although they present themselves that way. They do not believe in the Trinity. They do not baptize “in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”. They do not believe in the Virgin Birth. They are Polytheistic.
Wow, my mind is blown but now that the Stacy story is out it makes total sense. That was the start of a pattern. So sad, great interview.
Listening to this is really enlightening. In my secular family there was some disfunction, but we were always allowed to be who we were. The pressures were to do well in school, get a good job. This looking good, secrets in the family, disconnect between what the church teaches and what happens in the heirarchy,: makes me feel a whole lot better about my ethical, rational, polite family. Whew.
I was never Mormon but I grew up in a strict religious household (i never looked back once I went to college) and all I can say is wow. I relate so much with Megan’s family dynamic and it’s still a challenge to unlearn those behaviors to this day. It was absolutely heartbreaking to hear the things Megan was subjected to and how little support she had from her family. I’m in awe with how brave and resilient she is/was. I can’t imagine how she must have felt 😢 I’m so glad she was able to share her story while also giving insight to Lori’s background.
This was so very interesting. I was captivated during the whole interview 👍
A remarkable interview about Megan and her family. Megan thank you so much for sharing your story.
Thank you Megan for speaking up & thanks to MSP for bringing on Megan, to shine her light into this. So difficult to grasp why Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy had to die; and as no defendant chooses to confess, these family witnesses to suspects‘ lives is the closest we get to a better understanding of how events at hand may had come to pass.
I was listening to this at work and it was so compelling that I stayed an hour and a half later than I was scheduled at work to wash dishes and keep listening to the pod. The interviewers did a very good job and the guest brought up a lot of interesting anecdotes/memories
So I’m not Mormon nor have I ever been but I thought this was such a great conversation. I love that you guys are able to have such a open conversation even though she is no longer following the same faith. I respect that at no point did you try to convince her that she’s made the wrong decision or try to push her back into the lifestyle you follow.
Wow! You are so well spoken and such a beautiful person. I grew up in and still live in Orange County, California. I didn't grow up Mormon. I grew up in an evangelical Christian church and I can relate sooooo much to so many things you talk about in your own life. Thank you for being so open and vulnerable in sharing your story. I wish you all the best in your life. ❤
I echo what John and Mindy said to Megan at the end. What a brave, courageous, and inspiring thing she is doing. Thank you Megan!👼🙏 ❤
Such an enlightening and valuable discussion. Thank you Megan, for your story and being so vulnerable with everything. You are a blessing.