@@HiddenTrueCrime yes I wondered this right when I heard about Tylee being sick all the time. Pancreatitis that could never be explained. Seems suspect. Plus Lori likes to talk about her many hospital visits by Tylee side and how it effected her not Tylee. Never spoke how horrible it must of been on Tylee only how exhausting it was for her and what a dedicated mother she was. Feels like she was getting the attention every time Tylee was in hospital.
@@HiddenTrueCrime I'm a retired registered nurse. I am positively sure my brother's wife has munchausen's syndrome and is the reason my 4 yr old niece died. No one believed me as I insisted something wasn't quite right as my niece suffered illness after illness and multiple complications from a "rare" unknown illness. In later years, my brother's son married and had a baby boy who has suffered from a "rare" form of cancer. Thanks to Almighty God this child has survived despite being kept by his wicked grandmother at times. He's now 4 years old.. if you are one that prays for people you don't know, please do so for this little boy please 🌷 ( She took over care for her elderly father two years ago.. he died of "natural causes" within six months. She then moved her mother out to an apartment and took possession of the family home. Wicked people are a reality.)
Dr John, you talk about the sense of foreboding that Tylee felt. I believe Chad took great delight in telling her he was going to kill her whenever he could. That she was a zombie and was going to die. Sick twisted religious zealots. What sort of god would want this.?
Lauren and Dr John, thank you for this episode. There is one thing I would like to mention that I consider important. As an Eastern Orthodox woman , the concept of Jesus and the fallen angel lucifer is not that simple. In fact the teaching of Jesus in the New Testament as I have studied may appear simple,but by no means is. If you dig deep into the word of God , as I study from the original which is in ancient Greek , you find some complex and great insights. Obviously Lori is simple therefore her interpretation of anything is basic and raw. Jesus did not visit her ,for sure. Now lucifer may have done do, since she did his work.
In no way is this defending her, but if she believes her whole line of BS/ Jesus speaks to her, etc then she would believe the kids were fine and at peace I think? I don't really know what to think of Lori- is she evil if she is truly delusional?
Was it another attempt to distance herself from what happened to the children, I wonder? She seemed to move on from things fast, travelling, going to Hawaii, finding new relationships - constant movement to escape herself.
@@mtz6198 I believe she is truly delusional I think she went mad after unaliving Joe Ryan the problem is she is so cunning that she seems to be able to hoodwink the professionals that have assessed her , she’s THAT good smh
@@sparkieemae I think thats part of why she blames Tylee, if Tylee did a lot of the care for JJ, then she might have felt frustrated having to deal with him without her, because if Tylee had just been better then she wouldn't have had to do the things she did to her, and then JJ wouldn't have been as difficult to deal with for Lori. I think with poeple like Lori, everything is reductive and explanatory depending on what best frames Lori in the best light and supports whatever cray idea she has to justify whatever she needs justified.
A wise social worker once asked me what I was looking for when I contact my birth father. If it was something like regrets, 'wish things were different ' I wasn't going to get it. Why? Because people like this have to live with themselves. They can only live with themselves if they don't admit what they did or didn't do. Consciously or not Lori couldn't live with herself if she faced the truth, imho
What happened to Charles, Tammy and Alex????? Unrelated Lori?! Its SO disturbing the way she tries to control and convince Colby shes tellling the truth. When Lori was answering Colby .I think she was actively making it up. She spoke slower and said alot of "what ifs".😮
💯 Her using the phrase "brat" was painful: shes minimizing the tragedy while at the same time blame shifting. The fact that narcs see their children as selfish adults, how she's more hurt from losing her Golden child then the deaths of her other children, how she is now using Tylee as the perfect scape goat that can't push back, it really puts this into perspective. It makes me sick seeing these familiar patterns causing such devastation.
I give Colby so much credit for staying calm, listening & letting her talk. I would have wanted to call her out on her BS but he handled this call in a much more mature way than I ever could.
@@kitcatkit6240I think it's a combination of Colby's character and the fact that his mother likely always had narcissistic tendencies. My husband is like this; he's a great listener but not the best communicator. Whereas, I'm a good communicator, but I'm not the best listener. Turns out, it works out perfectly for us 😊
That is what I was screaming at her while listening the call. If that was true why didnt you call the police? She didnt because Tylee was dead when Chad killed TJ, that is Why. 🤬
The fact that this evil subhuman blamed Tylee for JJ and her own death, called her a brat and laughs, my blood was boiling, I can imagine how it's just so sad and devastating for the families.😢 Wishing them healing and peace.
I believe she poisoned Tylee for most of her life, fed them unhealthy foods, deliberately made Tylee sick. I think this is where the alleged “pancreatitis” condition comes from. I believe it was Lori’s abuse of Tylee. She was jealous of the connection between Tylee and JJ also.
Yeah, listening to Lori had me yelling at my phone. I was so angry that she was trying to manipulate Colby. I was so angry that she said she was silent to protect Tylee but then goes on to be so flippant to illogically blame her. Then to say to Colby that losing him was harder than the brutal murder of her babies. Shame on her.
@@blazefairchild465 absolutely! 💯 And what about the amount of stress she must have been under all the time with Lori?! I wonder if Tylee had to use any laxatives regularly because of the poor nutritional quality of foods she was fed. That sweet young lady deserved so much more goodness in her life. I am convinced that she would have improved if she had been living in a more balanced, emotionally healthy household.
How can anyone stand to listen to her? She spent 20 min telling the poor kid he was the only one who should know the truth but then never says it. Actively evades in fact. What nonsense.
Gaslighting and dancing as fast as she can… she’s also full of excuses, silences where she has to quickly make up something- but also using the “you’re cutting out” when he posed uncomfortable questions… it would have been better for him if she had been unalived too.
I'm sorry, but I'm just going to say it. Lori's words lead me to believe that she just wanted to rid herself of the responsibility of the children and be free. She describes what burdens they were to her throughout their lives in order to justify what she had done. I did not anticipate that she actually had such animosity towards Tylee. Blaming Tylee is despicable.
Tylee covered for her when Charles was murdered! I actually hated Tylee’s nonchalant behavior at the police station, which was a very odd one when your loving step-father was just murdered! That’s until we found out what happened to her!
POOR Colby! Just when you think LV couldn't possibly stoop any lower.. and she has the audacity to say THIS! SHE is a prophet alright.. The Devils right hand wóman!
Our Pastor always said, God gives us discernment. We are able to forgive without going back to the ---- that we are forgiving. I hope Colby knows and understands that. He's been taught Lori's "god" and that is his mother.
To me, Lori’s words reinforce a gut feeling I’ve had about this case. Tylee “had” to be killed because she was a “brat” to Chad Daybell and obstructed their grand mission. JJ “had” to be killed because Tylee was no longer there to take care of him. To Lori’s evil and self-justifying mind, that’s the same as: Tylee basically killed JJ and herself through her bratty actions of rebellion to “get back at” her mother. God rest the children’s innocent souls, may Lori face divine justice for what she has done.
Thank God for Dr. John supporting Colby in processing the insanity that is his mother. Nobody in Colby's position could have ever seen this coming, but his efforts to confront this and try to understand it have been nothing short of heroic. Dr. John can cut through the deception and delusion and offer help in a way that is truly compassionate in a way I've never seen before.
Tylee was on all the meds because they likely began giving her all those drugs when she lost her father. Doctors in the Gilbert/Mesa area are right there handing out drugs ASAP when there is a death in a family.
When tylee saw how easy and calous lori was after alex "murdered" Charles, she probably figured out that her mom was capable of killing her father also. Tylee wasn't stupid. She knew lori and Chad were talking about zombies. Tylee was a witness to what happened to Charles. She had to go.
Lori lies to invent her truth. She has to believe it, or she's wrong. She is never wrong. Jesus talks to her. That might help me cope w my circumstances. It would really help if JC could testify.
Colby explaining to his mother that forgiveness is a choice, but that doesn’t mean you have to keep going on with the relationship. Man! That hit me like a gut punch. I didn’t realize that I needed to hear that so badly. What a wonderful gift. Thank you Colby for sharing your……..horror……journey…….struggle to heal…….everything, and helping me (a total stranger) to heal. What an amazing person you are. I sincerely wish peace and happiness for you and your family.
@@judi_girl Absolutely. Well said. Dr. John will be there. That is very important support for Colby. One person cannot expect to carry this burden that his own Mother has cast upon him. A true witch for whatever reason. We support Colby. If I had 3 wishes, I would use one to help Colby. Much love from Arizona.
I hope Coby finds a way of healing to not have to carry all this hurt and tragedy in his heart. This is horrendous. Let those who are responsible carry the burden Cody. YOU are part of the good in the world:)
She’s hurting Colby again with her lies, hoping he’ll believe her so she has some support. Colby, don’t let her hurt you. Try to move on without her. She is mentally ill and can never give you the love and understanding of why you are wanting from her. It’s so painful losing a Mom and Dad. None of this is your fault. Better to think of yourself and create your own family. I wouldn’t talk to her anymore as she is manipulative and lies. God Bless you
She’s hurting Colby again with her lies, hoping he’ll believe her so she has some support. Colby, don’t let her hurt you. Try to move on without her. She is mentally ill and can never give you the love and understanding of why you are wanting from her. It’s so painful losing a Mom and Dad. None of this is your fault. Better to think of yourself and create your own family. I wouldn’t talk to her anymore as she is manipulative and lies. God Bless you
Tylee NEVER hurt JJ. Lori is an absolute monster for blaming Tylee and for lying to Colby. I watched the interview on Colby's channel and my heart breaks for him.
She is jealous of Tylee's love for JJ. By now she know how pure and worthy Tylee was. Not Lori, but her daughter. Lori knows exactly what she is, or who she is. A monster, she wasn't a good mother. And to me, Colby knows, but can't even go there. Maybe later, but he is taking a lot on his chin for a while.
agreed! lori worked her like a slave also. she loved her brother but she was made built in babysitter pretty much- put her brother to bed everynight so her mother could focus on her " missions" - infuriates me
That’s what I said too. Oh ,she claims this is what Jesus wanted. For her work / ya know. Because she’s the chosen and she’s a martyr because she protects her kids even in heaven - but it’s Tylee’s fault. 🙄 omg she’s so effing loony toons!
I highly recommend that people go listen to the full call. Colby displays an enormous amount of emotional and spiritual maturity in this call. It breaks my heart he has to go through this
Dr John has incredible insight. This is the Lori who’s always been there. I listened to her hoping to hear a mother’s regret, but instead I heard her betray her daughter for the second time by blaming her for the murders. Poor Colby. This must be a truly horrific reality for him.
My jaw was on the floor listening to Colby’s interview. My heart breaks for him. He lost almost everyone in his life. He’s said how much he respects you Lauren and Dr. John❤️ I’m happy Colby has very knowledgeable, intelligent, loving people behind him🥹💪
He has his external family now and he should focus on them only. It's time for him to accept that his Mother is sociopath and he will never get that apology or truthfull explanation of what happened ffom her. If he continues to keep touch with her he will never heal.
I got confused about what Lori told Colby. She claims she had Tylee put JJ to bed because David and Melanie Gibb were doing a podcast with her...she wanted him to be quiet. That last time David and Melanie were at her home, Melanie and David never saw Tylee there, only JJ!! As I'm typing this, you noted the same thing. Tylee was not there!
Also it’s awful to think that if Colby had come between her, chads and their entire evil covens plans she wouldn’t have thought twice about burying Colby and his family in that pet cemetery too 😡
Thank you for reporting on this. I have watched Colby’s phone call with his mother. It was heartbreaking!!!! Thank you for supporting Colby!! Love you Colby, Lauren and Dr John!💜
And Lori went on with life marrying Chad , sunbathing, eating at restaurants ( even though she was a goddess that didn’t to eat 🙄) Oh and she sounded really ticked off with Melanie Gibb 😂🤣
This lady isn’t delusional. She’s a liar and manipulator. She knew what she was doing. She wanted to be free of everyone but Chad. She’s not crazy, she’s evil!
100%!!! I’m getting where I can’t even stand to hear Lorie’s voice. So much bull crap comes out of her mouth. I think she is very well aware of everything and it’s all an act and excuses!
@@chilo8187i was going to say why can't she be both. Although I guess u get why some would think being crazy makes someone less evil. She's not criminally insane where she don't know right from wrong obviously she does buts she still crazy it seems and evil.
Yup-I’m so sick of these so called Christian’s “othering” anyone who won’t join in their sick thinking-calling them zombies in order to justify killing. And I’m also tired of hearing them called delusional which gives them an out. Lori is manipulative, cunning and narcissistic. She is a psychopath. She is a malignant narcissist, not delusional.
Re: Lori saying she HAS made contact w/ Colby's daughter, she is defying his absolute no contact w/ his kids boundary. "I already did, you can't prevent me".
This ⬆️ There is so much about what’s happened that’s sick but her talking about “her grandchildren” and “you can’t change that “ was very disturbing to me. It made me feel like I wanted to protect them from her myself. It felt like an attack on their innocence and on their dad’s ability to protect them from her.
Colby knows how to play her game. Let her talk.. appease her.. make her feel high and mighty. Eventually he may get her to hang herself with information.
Glad that Dr. John will be processing this call with Colby. There had to be a small part of Colby that hoped (before the call) that Lori was coming back from her delusional state. Watching Colby's face during his call was very painful. He is trying so hard to heal.
The stare from Colby when she made the brat comment was so powerful. Disbelief and disgust. Poor guy. I'm sure Dr John will be a huge help to him. This is a really thoughful response from you both, well done💯
Watching this on replay. Lauren and Dr.John you are both so intelligent and empathetic! My heart so goes out to Colby, he is strong and wise , so good hearted. I worry about him. I’m glad Dr. John that you look out for him. God bless you for supporting him. Colby is certainly in my prayers, along with his wife Kelsey and his beautiful daughters and newborn baby boy🙏🏻. Life can be so unfair 😢
Jesus asked her if she would do the job if she lost everything. She said I lost everything!!! When the fact is she never lost anything, she threw it all away! In my humble opinion.
Agree 100%. Her own doing. I am sorry when people tell a story that involves Jesus. I don't believe he leaves his throne to talk to any human. If we take the Bible literally, he is sitting at the right side of God, and will leave that place to his second coming. That's it for me. Jesus talks to no one, period. IMHO, of course. Therefore, she decided that everyone on her way would die. And her first victim was Joe, Tylee's father.
I watched this on Sunday when Colby uploaded it. To say that it was difficult to watch is an understatement. I am not related and it was difficult for me to watch. My heart goes out to Colby.
Gosh what if she always had this level of hatred towards Tylee because she was a child of her ex husband Joe who she really hated. Lori made her sick and emotionally tortured her though out tylees life. I do wonder if Lori had made Tylee sick to make herself look like she was great caring mother to garner attention. But she couldn’t care less about Tylee and telling her she was molested by her father was also a form of emotional abuse. When Lori hates she doesn’t let go.
As a daughter of an NPD mother (actually diagnosed), I've learned that NPD mothers project their insecurities onto their daughter(s) and punish their daughters for imagined slights against mom. It's a very twisted dynamic, but NPD moms see their daughters as things, extensions of themselves, not people. Lori knows murder is wrong to society, but she doesn't see it as wrong to blame Tylee for her actions because Tylee is her thing to do with as she pleases.
When Lori turned on her 😢 and decided she was a zombie, you can hear Tylee in the background of a call saying “mom, no, it’s me. It’s me, Tylee!” And it BREAKS my heart.
Colby needs to shut that prison door behind him and Never look Back.. go on with his young family.. get some trestment for his mental health and live a great life.❤
@@MrPaultopphe is still her child and he is still dealing with his mother's cruelty. The wake of pain she leaves behind her is nothing short of brutal and devastating.
1:00:08 Regarding this part of the conversation, I do absolutely believe still that Tylee was indeed a victim of Factitious Disorder Imposed Upon Another/Munchausen’s by Proxy. She mentioned something about a preschool teacher or care giver at the time, giving Tylee essential oils to DRINK because her stomach bothered her. I believe it could be that LORI gave her daughter essential oils in her food and beverages which made her sick, drugs which were not prescribed to Tylee for her own conditions, etc. I believe she did regularly drug Tylee, JJ and Charles. Did Tylee recognize that her mother might have killed Joe Ryan, her birth father?! I do wonder.
Indeed, among a whole lot of negative evidence for Tylee, ie she stopped using her phone, jeep, payment cards and wasn't seen on any shop surveillance etc since after the Yellowstone trip on the 8th. Tylee left no trace after the 8th. Lori's story is so stupidly childish in the face of reality.
She’s even lying about the eight women on death row. There are only three and they are not housed in the Maricopa County jail. Thank you for your relationship with Colby.
@@chilo8187 the workout comment sent me. Like Jesus Christ would come to you and tell you you’re going to lose everything so that you can help prisoners with their workouts and “stuff.” I have no words.
Your husband is such a great psychologist. I love to hear him. He helps me understand not only this case but humanity and my own obstacles in the terrestrial path.
Hello Dr. John & Lauren; Great coverage of this case. You two are spot on, here. Thank you for sharing all of this critical information. You two have made sense of a horrifying and depressing case. Too bad Tylee and JJ did not get away from all of this. Thankfully, Colby has recognized Laurie, Alex and Chad for who and what they are and has distanced himself. Stay safe, Colby!
Omg. The strength that Colby is showing. I know from having an evil mother. You never get totally over that damage a parent has done to you. You learn to manage it. Colby deserves healing and closure. You're amazing Colby. ❤❤
After all these years now after Lori is in jail she says that Tylee was the one who killed JJ? OMG what a sick woman. To all the women who have killed their own children or step-child YOU ARE ALL SICK IN THE HEAD and deserve to be in jail. Words are not strong enough to explain the evil you all are through and through.
The constant referral to him as being her friend, the only one who is worth knowing the truth... seems to be a terrible way of manipulation and control.
Glad to hear you weigh in, the call was gut wrenching. His composure was astounding,. She was so cruel and thought she knew what strings she could pull. Like he may have been hoping for old Lori, his mom. She thought, she was speaking to old Colby, who is a child who could be placated by platitudes. The sun has set on both old Lori and old Colby, they are gone, forever changed. I'm happy to hear you will be there to provide him with some understanding, guidence and support. He's a grown man, a father, a husband and nothing like her. He's a man with strength, courage and convictions not to be swayed.
I think Colby needs to come to terms with Lori being like this for way longer than since 2018. She might have been somewhat "hinged" early on, but the gaslighting (and I suspect Münchhausen by Proxy) has been a staple with her.
Yes. I also wonder if that would be harder for him than believing she became this way because of Chad. He’ll have to re examine his entire childhood. I feel so bad for him.
@nicdonato Yes, eventually he has to come to his senses. Their religious beliefs lead to that, IMHO. Right now he is going one day at the time. If he watches Megan Connor, he would get there faster. But he must to be careful. That can lead to despair and even worse situations, like not wanting to live.
Lori has an angle to having this conversation, knowing this will come out one way or another. She knows her phone call isn’t private. She knows It’s recorded. She knows her court date is coming up. She wants to get these lies out there before her trial, while trying to convince Colby that she’s innocent. All these deaths were “not her fault” Colby’s emotional maturity and restraint was astounding in this conversation. Colby is an incredibly strong man with empathy and a realness that his mother will never truly understand. My heart goes out to Colby. ❤
@@mammabear5475💯 She'll find a way to blame Charles's murder on someone else. My guess is she'll blame it on either just Charles or Charles & Tylee. I think she'll say it was Tylee's fault they were fighting & it's Charles's fault because he was very menacing & attacked Lori, Tylee or Alex.
Love, love, love to Colby. He’s experiencing such an extreme example of what Dr John described as adults realizing that the environments they grew up in/parents they grew up with weren’t ok/normal. That statement really touched me b/c I felt understood. Nobody is all good or all bad, and as kids we only see the good (unless it’s obviously terribly bad). Actually, after typing that I realized that I would describe my own childhood as terribly bad now that I have my own kids - but as a kid I was thinking that although we didn’t have much, I had plenty of food to eat, friends at school, hobbies I enjoyed - all of my physical needs were met. It’s SO jarring when as adults we realize that our “good” parents were only doing “good” things for us for their own benefit. Kids don’t have the life experience to notice all the things parents should be doing for their benefit that they aren’t doing, or notice how they gain acceptance/praise/status from their peers which could be a motivating factor instead of love. Kids often fail to realize that abuse of any kind eclipses all of that “good.” I know I did, and continue to wrestle with what my responsibility is to my parents when they both hurt me terribly but also technically made me who I am. It’s difficult to come to terms with this on any scale. My deepest respect to Colby for doing what he needed to do in order to gain the understanding of what is really going on between himself and his mom. I’m sure as a dad his hair must be on fire just thinking about treating his own kids the way he and his siblings were thought of & treated. I am encouraged by Colby’s love, strength, and endurance in this trial. May God give him peace somehow, and I pray that the sweet family he is building with his wife will flourish in all respects.
Dr. John, You did an amazing job with your analysis. You opened my eyes to what is going on with this criminal, Lori, and I agree with everything that you said. Thank you both for having this amazing channel to help us try and understand what we can not understand about the human mind and people who do such horrific acts. What Colby must be dealing with and I am so happy that he found you two.
I have no words about this manipulating, gaslighting, deceptive, narcissitic beyatch...Colby needs to write her off. She wrote him off a long time ago..
She simply wants Colby to send her money and play pretty with her so people will think Colby understands her! She won’t do anything that doesn’t benefit her! They never do!
This part👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻. I know Summer and others contribute her downfall starting when she met Chad..Lori’s manipulation goes back years before he entered her life.
The woman's behavior is incredibly disturbing. She not only blames the victims for the killings but also attributes her actions to Jesus, claiming that he asked her to kill two innocent children. 😡
@@kariminalminds apparently she convinced Colby that Joe molested him as well. Colby mentioned it in his testimony, but it was skipped over because it wasn’t relevant to the case at hand.
@@gigib8849We believe Colby. His statement to police as a 10 year old (without his mom with him) has not changed. The psychologist who assessed him to determine the truth of his statements also believed him. The social workers on Dateline did not assess Colby or even talk to him. You’re right that it is not relevant to this situation right now, but we believe Colby.
exactly. she made it even WORSE this time, IMO. but I still think she should keep on talking, until she's caught in her own web of lies. until she can't lie to herself anymore. she'll break, eventually.
That evil woman knew he was going to make it public. She is not mentally ill, she is not delusional and she is still using “religion” as a cover for her greed and determination to live the high life without ever working. EVERY word was strategic. She blamed Tylee to hurt him and to give the middle finger to the rest of her family and society.
I agree with your statement about every word being strategic. You can tell that by the way she paused and emphasized certain words. I have NPD people in my family...they speak the same way when they are trying to take control of the narrative .
@@EffSharp exactly you beat me to it. He probably don't even send her any. You could only get certain amount a month and she does trust me. Susan Smith, jodi arias and on and on do.
I am so glad you guys did this video, Lauren! When I first saw Colby's video, the first thing I thought after watching was I hope Dr. John analyzes this!! And Dr. John pointing out how Lori says: "In my mind." He's so right!! I hadn't noticed that when I first listened to it!
SHE IS THE MOST SELF CENTERED NARCISSISTIC PYSCHOPATHIC MOTHER I have EVER EVER heard SPEAK! And I KNOW what it is like to be ABUSED by a family member who has these traits! It HURTs you to the CORE of your being! All the GAS- LIGHTING!!!!! and it's so hard when you LOVE that person and they REFUSE to own up to their character flaws! THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT! THRY ARE ALWAYS the HErO!!!! They ONLY care about THEMSELVES!!!!!! Lori made this CONVERSATION ALL ABOUT HER!!!!!!! COLBY needed her to be honest , and remorseful. HE NEEDED HER TO SAY. I AM SO SORRY! I know I DID the unthinkable!!!!!!! I KNOW she loved Colby . But she is not the mother he once had. That person is gone! This Lori is very dangerous! Colby needs to protect his family and keep them far far away from her! It's heartbreaking!!!! 💔 So very sad for him! " Stupid" Melanie Gibb needs to be charged in my opinion as well!!!!!‼️🤯 I believe SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS what she did! SHE WAS DANCING ON A BEACH and sunning herself AT THE POOL with " FAmILY guy dad Chud the dud" carefree without a care in the world...... The only thing Lori feels bad about, IS that SHE got CAUGHT!!!!!! I will Pray for Loris' soul!🙏🙏🙏🙏 Thank you Dr John and Lauren for all your hard work! It shows and is appreciated!
This! I feel exactly the same. I used to tell myself all the time, you are imagining things, parents wouldn’t deliberately hurt or lie to their kids. Boy was I wrong. It hurts so much. I feel so much empathy from the core of my being for Colby and anyone when had or has to deal with narc parents.
I agree w/ much of what you’re saying. I don’t believe she loves Colby in any true sense of the word. Her children like all people in her malignant self-absorbed narcissistic universe are “objects” to be used to her benefit. When someone is no longer useful or she tires of them or is simply seeking new narcissistic supply they are discarded. I believe Colby was sadly & likely manipulated as a young boy, his memories influenced by false & malicious narratives created by Lori to target & discard Colby’s father Joe. Her only interest imo in Colby at this point is to use him by hopefully recruiting him to be a Lori flying monkey. The best thing Colby can do imo is move on & get some high quality deep psychological help & go “no contact” w/ Lori.
I would never have thought it possible for this monster to be anymore detestable than she already was... and then ...THIS!!! This woman no more believes her own crap, than we do. She just can't bear that the world hates her. I bet she's just gutted, that she didn't think of this ridiculous scenario when the police first came a knocking (not that it'd make a scrap of difference)!
Good for you, Colby. The whole “your baby came to me before she was born” just might be the most messed up part of this whole thing. What a sick manipulation. So sorry, Colby. As much as possible, don’t look back. Focus on the family you’re creating. ❤❤❤
I would like to pretend like I believe her and scream "omg you let an innocent man go to death row to keep the secret that an accidental death occurred !? THAT'S HORRIBLE!"
The whole conversation is heart wrenching. One of the things that stood out for me was how Lori really pushed to be in his children’s lives as a grandmother, I heard a noticeable change in her tone when she was told she will never have that privilege as of this time.
I really enjoy the dynamic and conversation style that is used to discuss cases. I do not find true crime entertaining however, I find the deep psychological dive interesting. There is a lot of respect and compassion for all people involved.
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For those interested in our theory about Lori and munchausen by proxy-head here: ruclips.net/p/PLnLc7I2gyWtQXz5FyQVkNdFX8ppkxo-9W&si=J8P_H3KiQmG1toCY
@@HiddenTrueCrime yes I wondered this right when I heard about Tylee being sick all the time. Pancreatitis that could never be explained. Seems suspect. Plus Lori likes to talk about her many hospital visits by Tylee side and how it effected her not Tylee. Never spoke how horrible it must of been on Tylee only how exhausting it was for her and what a dedicated mother she was. Feels like she was getting the attention every time Tylee was in hospital.
@@HiddenTrueCrime I'm a retired registered nurse. I am positively sure my brother's wife has munchausen's syndrome and is the reason my 4 yr old niece died.
No one believed me as I insisted something wasn't quite right as my niece suffered illness after illness and multiple complications from a "rare" unknown illness.
In later years, my brother's son married and had a baby boy who has suffered from a "rare" form of cancer. Thanks to Almighty God this child has survived despite being kept by his wicked grandmother at times.
He's now 4 years old.. if you are one that prays for people you don't know, please do so for this little boy please 🌷
( She took over care for her elderly father two years ago.. he died of "natural causes" within six months. She then moved her mother out to an apartment and took possession of the family home.
Wicked people are a reality.)
I had this thought too when she talked about Tylee's illnesses. I think Lori was creating those for attention.
Dr John, you talk about the sense of foreboding that Tylee felt. I believe Chad took great delight in telling her he was going to kill her whenever he could. That she was a zombie and was going to die. Sick twisted religious zealots. What sort of god would want this.?
Lauren and Dr John, thank you for this episode. There is one thing I would like to mention that I consider important. As an Eastern Orthodox woman , the concept of Jesus and the fallen angel lucifer is not that simple. In fact the teaching of Jesus in the New Testament as I have studied may appear simple,but by no means is. If you dig deep into the word of God , as I study from the original which is in ancient Greek , you find some complex and great insights. Obviously Lori is simple therefore her interpretation of anything is basic and raw. Jesus did not visit her ,for sure. Now lucifer may have done do, since she did his work.
In that single horrific phone call, Colby exhibited more self-restraint, composure, grace and patience than I have in my entire life.
Let’s not forget that she goes on a honeymoon after losing her children. I wouldn’t be able to lift my body from despair.
Right? Especially and even if I had a thought or a hand in murdering my very children. I would literally, literally die.
In no way is this defending her, but if she believes her whole line of BS/ Jesus speaks to her, etc then she would believe the kids were fine and at peace I think? I don't really know what to think of Lori- is she evil if she is truly delusional?
Was it another attempt to distance herself from what happened to the children, I wonder?
She seemed to move on from things fast, travelling, going to Hawaii, finding new relationships - constant movement to escape herself.
@@mtz6198 I believe she is truly delusional I think she went mad after unaliving Joe Ryan the problem is she is so cunning that she seems to be able to hoodwink the professionals that have assessed her , she’s THAT good smh
after eating some of one.. let's remember.
She continues to abuse her sole remaining child even in jail. Thoroughly evil woman. My heart goes out to Colby ❤
@@catherinehargrave9539 it’s pure evil
😢😢mine too
Jay Jay was alive for a month after Tylee went missing!
@@sparkieemae I think thats part of why she blames Tylee, if Tylee did a lot of the care for JJ, then she might have felt frustrated having to deal with him without her, because if Tylee had just been better then she wouldn't have had to do the things she did to her, and then JJ wouldn't have been as difficult to deal with for Lori. I think with poeple like Lori, everything is reductive and explanatory depending on what best frames Lori in the best light and supports whatever cray idea she has to justify whatever she needs justified.
A wise social worker once asked me what I was looking for when I contact my birth father. If it was something like regrets, 'wish things were different ' I wasn't going to get it. Why? Because people like this have to live with themselves. They can only live with themselves if they don't admit what they did or didn't do. Consciously or not Lori couldn't live with herself if she faced the truth, imho
Lori blaming Tylee is reminiscent of Chris Watts’ defense, that Shanann killed the girls.
Great point
@@lyndsaythompson112 and now he’s putting all the blame on his mistress. It’s NEVER their fault. 🙄
@@lyndsaythompson112 wow you’re so right what a good analogy
SO VERY TRUE. DESPICABLE!.
She is so thrilled to have an audience in Colby. She barely takes a breath. It's all Lori, all the time, in her world.
It’s like she hasn’t spoken to anyone for months. Imagine being locked up with that and having to hear it talking day in and day out?
Did she know she was being recorded by Colby?
She can’t stop talking long enough to see how her own son is doing
She made her choices. The worst that could happen to her is people ignore her She can't take people not talking about her all the time.
yes that is such a good point ,when I look at the entirety of Lori its been about her need of being extra extra special.
When someone is innocent, they have nothing but questions. When someone is guilty, they have nothing but answers.
I mean this doesn’t fully add up, as Lori responded to questions with more questions 😂
@@jocelynastheart2732 YES!!!
Aswers or excuses.
100% agree
What happened to Charles, Tammy and Alex????? Unrelated Lori?! Its SO disturbing the way she tries to control and convince Colby shes tellling the truth. When Lori was answering Colby .I think she was actively making it up. She spoke slower and said alot of "what ifs".😮
For those of us who grew up parented by a narcissist, it is really painful to listen to Lori. The depth of that kind of evil is palpable!
💯 Her using the phrase "brat" was painful: shes minimizing the tragedy while at the same time blame shifting. The fact that narcs see their children as selfish adults, how she's more hurt from losing her Golden child then the deaths of her other children, how she is now using Tylee as the perfect scape goat that can't push back, it really puts this into perspective. It makes me sick seeing these familiar patterns causing such devastation.
ITA. Super triggering emotionally, yet not surprising from a logical standpoint. Glad Dr. John will be a guest on Colby's channel.
Very true, as the oldest daughter, scape goat and black sheep of narc parents I can attest to this. Sorry you’ve had to live it too.
So true!
Im so sorry you went through this! This is eye opening. I had no idea peoples parents are like this. Breaks my heart.
I give Colby so much credit for staying calm, listening & letting her talk. I would have wanted to call her out on her BS but he handled this call in a much more mature way than I ever could.
@@sunbeltcobb I wonder if this is just normal behavior between the two of them. It’s almost like he’s used to her ranting like this.
@@sunbeltcobb remarkable young man. It appears that Lori can't live with truth
So she willed herself into psychosis, is that possible?
@@kitcatkit6240I think it's a combination of Colby's character and the fact that his mother likely always had narcissistic tendencies.
My husband is like this; he's a great listener but not the best communicator. Whereas, I'm a good communicator, but I'm not the best listener. Turns out, it works out perfectly for us 😊
I have a huge heart for Colby
Colby’s face betrays every feeling we all had listening to this. The absolute vile disgust in his face was exactly what we were all feeling.
Accidents happen? Normal people call the authorities when people die accidentally. They don’t bury the bodies in their backyard.
That is what I was screaming at her while listening the call. If that was true why didnt you call the police? She didnt because Tylee was dead when Chad killed TJ, that is Why. 🤬
The grace that Colby displayed throughout that call was so honorable…Colby is a phenomenal young man🤍🕊️
Someday, alone in her demented thoughts, Lori will realize how demonic she truly is.. someday.
The fact that this evil subhuman blamed Tylee for JJ and her own death, called her a brat and laughs, my blood was boiling, I can imagine how it's just so sad and devastating for the families.😢
Wishing them healing and peace.
I believe she poisoned Tylee for most of her life, fed them unhealthy foods, deliberately made Tylee sick. I think this is where the alleged “pancreatitis” condition comes from. I believe it was Lori’s abuse of Tylee. She was jealous of the connection between Tylee and JJ also.
Yeah, listening to Lori had me yelling at my phone. I was so angry that she was trying to manipulate Colby. I was so angry that she said she was silent to protect Tylee but then goes on to be so flippant to illogically blame her. Then to say to Colby that losing him was harder than the brutal murder of her babies. Shame on her.
@@sonia-lu2rnI remember Chris Watts blaming ShanAnn for the kids death. I hated him for that. And now I hate Lori. She will never tell us the truth.
@@ErinAbouall the fast food & no vegetables,had this little child in pain & mom was too lazy to cook healthy meals most of the time.
@@blazefairchild465 absolutely! 💯 And what about the amount of stress she must have been under all the time with Lori?! I wonder if Tylee had to use any laxatives regularly because of the poor nutritional quality of foods she was fed. That sweet young lady deserved so much more goodness in her life. I am convinced that she would have improved if she had been living in a more balanced, emotionally healthy household.
How can anyone stand to listen to her? She spent 20 min telling the poor kid he was the only one who should know the truth but then never says it. Actively evades in fact. What nonsense.
Gaslighting of the utmost
Gaslighting and dancing as fast as she can… she’s also full of excuses, silences where she has to quickly make up something- but also using the “you’re cutting out” when he posed uncomfortable questions… it would have been better for him if she had been unalived too.
She wants him to come to her defense. As Dr John says, he's the only one left
She knows she still has power over him- she's he's mother and she will try every possible thing she can to not let him go
Very manipulative and evasive. She has no concern for helping him heal, only saving face.
I’m so glad Dr.John is going to help Colby understand her. You’re wonderful people.
I hear a psychopath trying to pull her son back in.
I'm sorry, but I'm just going to say it. Lori's words lead me to believe that she just wanted to rid herself of the responsibility of the children and be free. She describes what burdens they were to her throughout their lives in order to justify what she had done. I did not anticipate that she actually had such animosity towards Tylee. Blaming Tylee is despicable.
I thought the same.
yes......I felt that too
She kept Tylee sick and kept her as a babysitter and wanted absolute following
That's exactly what it was plain and simple
Tylee covered for her when Charles was murdered! I actually hated Tylee’s nonchalant behavior at the police station, which was a very odd one when your loving step-father was just murdered! That’s until we found out what happened to her!
Colby did the most difficult thing. So much love to him. ❤️
Amen! He’s so brave.
It was so gross when she claimed Tylee wanted to be cremated!!! The colour drained from his face, he was stunned!!!
Yes, and that Tylee was dismembered and burned, but that’s ok she wanted it. Urrrgh infuriating!!
I was so impressed that Colby called her out on this saying this was not a cremation.
POOR Colby! Just when you think LV couldn't possibly stoop any lower.. and she has the audacity to say THIS! SHE is a prophet alright.. The Devils right hand wóman!
Truly sickening her saying these things about Tylee 😢
Tylee desired to be cremated !! Maybe after 70 years or so NOT at age 16 ish, Sicko's both
I love how Colby communicates his distain with his eyes by looking at the camera whenever he doesn't agree
Forgiveness does not always equal reconciliation. Good on Colby for telling his mother this, I hope he and his family can heal from this nightmare.
Our Pastor always said, God gives us discernment. We are able to forgive without going back to the ---- that we are forgiving. I hope Colby knows and understands that. He's been taught Lori's "god" and that is his mother.
To me, Lori’s words reinforce a gut feeling I’ve had about this case. Tylee “had” to be killed because she was a “brat” to Chad Daybell and obstructed their grand mission. JJ “had” to be killed because Tylee was no longer there to take care of him. To Lori’s evil and self-justifying mind, that’s the same as: Tylee basically killed JJ and herself through her bratty actions of rebellion to “get back at” her mother. God rest the children’s innocent souls, may Lori face divine justice for what she has done.
Also getting JJs social security check and revenge on Kay for getting Charles money
Makes sense! 💔
@@judiashley5818Yes! 💔
@@judiashley5818absolutely. That too.
Yes makes sense
Thank God for Dr. John supporting Colby in processing the insanity that is his mother. Nobody in Colby's position could have ever seen this coming, but his efforts to confront this and try to understand it have been nothing short of heroic. Dr. John can cut through the deception and delusion and offer help in a way that is truly compassionate in a way I've never seen before.
Amen 🙏
True. It should be private though. Americans are unbelievable in the way everything turns into social porn.
So true.
@@cwest4370 it should have been private though. This is pure social porn.
Tylee was on all the meds because they likely began giving her all those drugs when she lost her father. Doctors in the Gilbert/Mesa area are right there handing out drugs ASAP when there is a death in a family.
I think Tylee figured out that her dad never abused her. When Charles Vallow was murdered Tylee realized her dad was murdered too
I hope so too 😢
When tylee saw how easy and calous lori was after alex "murdered" Charles, she probably figured out that her mom was capable of killing her father also. Tylee wasn't stupid. She knew lori and Chad were talking about zombies. Tylee was a witness to what happened to Charles. She had to go.
Lori lies to invent her truth. She has to believe it, or she's wrong. She is never wrong. Jesus talks to her. That might help me cope w my circumstances. It would really help if JC could testify.
Colby explaining to his mother that forgiveness is a choice, but that doesn’t mean you have to keep going on with the relationship. Man! That hit me like a gut punch. I didn’t realize that I needed to hear that so badly. What a wonderful gift. Thank you Colby for sharing your……..horror……journey…….struggle to heal…….everything, and helping me (a total stranger) to heal. What an amazing person you are. I sincerely wish peace and happiness for you and your family.
She was not mourning during court. She was all smiles.
That’s because she’s besties with Jesus… remember. 😐
I can’t wait for Dr John to be on Colby’s channel. Please let him know we are all lifting him up with our love and support.
@@judi_girl Absolutely. Well said. Dr. John will be there. That is very important support for Colby. One person cannot expect to carry this burden that his own Mother has cast upon him. A true witch for whatever reason. We support Colby. If I had 3 wishes, I would use one to help Colby. Much love from Arizona.
I hope Coby finds a way of healing to not have to carry all this hurt and tragedy in his heart. This is horrendous. Let those who are responsible carry the burden Cody. YOU are part of the good in the world:)
She is putting such guilt into Colby. Do you think she has misplaced feelings for Colby. Like romantic?
She’s hurting Colby again with her lies, hoping he’ll believe her so she has some support.
Colby, don’t let her hurt you. Try to move on without her. She is mentally ill and can never give you the love and understanding of why you are wanting from her.
It’s so painful losing a Mom and Dad. None of this is your fault.
Better to think of yourself and create your own family. I wouldn’t talk to her anymore as she is manipulative and lies.
God Bless you
She’s hurting Colby again with her lies, hoping he’ll believe her so she has some support.
Colby, don’t let her hurt you. Try to move on without her. She is mentally ill and can never give you the love and understanding of why you are wanting from her.
It’s so painful losing a Mom and Dad. None of this is your fault.
Better to think of yourself and create your own family. I wouldn’t talk to her anymore as she is manipulative and lies.
God Bless you
Tylee NEVER hurt JJ. Lori is an absolute monster for blaming Tylee and for lying to Colby. I watched the interview on Colby's channel and my heart breaks for him.
She is jealous of Tylee's love for JJ. By now she know how pure and worthy Tylee was. Not Lori, but her daughter. Lori knows exactly what she is, or who she is. A monster, she wasn't a good mother. And to me, Colby knows, but can't even go there. Maybe later, but he is taking a lot on his chin for a while.
Tylee was already dead, long before JJ was. She definitely didnt hurt him.
agreed! lori worked her like a slave also. she loved her brother but she was made built in babysitter pretty much- put her brother to bed everynight so her mother could focus on her " missions" - infuriates me
Of course she didn't. She tried to protect him.
IF her scenario had any merit, WHY didn't she allow her attorneys to go that route? Oh yeah, all the evidence showed differently!
That’s what I said too. Oh ,she claims this is what Jesus wanted. For her work / ya know. Because she’s the chosen and she’s a martyr because she protects her kids even in heaven - but it’s Tylee’s fault. 🙄 omg she’s so effing loony toons!
That would have been entertaining at least 🙊 “Tylee unalived JJ” “…Tylee was already unalived herself though??”
Colby is such a strong man. I can't imagine how hard it was to have this conversation with her. Thank you both for breaking this down for us.
I highly recommend that people go listen to the full call. Colby displays an enormous amount of emotional and spiritual maturity in this call. It breaks my heart he has to go through this
Where do we find the full call? Finally all the evidence I have been so sure was there is finally coming out!
@@DrAnnBlakeTracyif you look in the episode notes in the video description they have it linked there
Scar wars episode 4 @@DrAnnBlakeTracy
Dr John has incredible insight. This is the Lori who’s always been there. I listened to her hoping to hear a mother’s regret, but instead I heard her betray her daughter for the second time by blaming her for the murders. Poor Colby. This must be a truly horrific reality for him.
Yes Lori even double downed she is so arrogant and self serving.
She is a liar and manipulator. I’m disgusted by her.
💯❗️
Exactly these are pure lies and blame. She missed the mark with this with Colby though.
She is absolutely lying. She just wants to entangle Colby in her psychopathic web and keep him hooked in. She wants money for her commissary.
@@effie3798 yes
My jaw was on the floor listening to Colby’s interview. My heart breaks for him. He lost almost everyone in his life. He’s said how much he respects you Lauren and Dr. John❤️ I’m happy Colby has very knowledgeable, intelligent, loving people behind him🥹💪
He has his external family now and he should focus on them only. It's time for him to accept that his Mother is sociopath and he will never get that apology or truthfull explanation of what happened ffom her. If he continues to keep touch with her he will never heal.
Narcissist never take responsibility
Psychopaths are even worse. Lori id say is a psychopath. Devoid of empathy and remorse. Cruel callous soulless and heartless.
I got confused about what Lori told Colby. She claims she had Tylee put JJ to bed because David and Melanie Gibb were doing a podcast with her...she wanted him to be quiet. That last time David and Melanie were at her home, Melanie and David never saw Tylee there, only JJ!! As I'm typing this, you noted the same thing. Tylee was not there!
Great point I would of loved it Colby said that but tbh it wouldn't make a difference
Dr. John broke my heart tonight he actually seemed mad and he is always so composed. I am so glad Colby has you both as support ❤
He is a REAL human....and evil is infuriating
@@robbiephillips5827plus he knows Colby personally. I imagine he feels absolutely furious on his, Larry & Kay’s behalf.
Also it’s awful to think that if Colby had come between her, chads and their entire evil covens plans she wouldn’t have thought twice about burying Colby and his family in that pet cemetery too 😡
Thank you for reporting on this. I have watched Colby’s phone call with his mother. It was heartbreaking!!!! Thank you for supporting Colby!! Love you Colby, Lauren and Dr John!💜
And Lori went on with life marrying Chad , sunbathing, eating at restaurants ( even though she was a goddess that didn’t to eat 🙄)
Oh and she sounded really ticked off with Melanie Gibb 😂🤣
This lady isn’t delusional. She’s a liar and manipulator. She knew what she was doing. She wanted to be free of everyone but Chad. She’s not crazy, she’s evil!
100%
She’s both.
I totally agree. She knows exactly how to avoid the legal issues even in all her ramblings
100%!!! I’m getting where I can’t even stand to hear Lorie’s voice. So much bull crap comes out of her mouth. I think she is very well aware of everything and it’s all an act and excuses!
@@chilo8187i was going to say why can't she be both. Although I guess u get why some would think being crazy makes someone less evil. She's not criminally insane where she don't know right from wrong obviously she does buts she still crazy it seems and evil.
Tylie's opposition is what led to Chad deeming her as dark or a zombie which then justified her murder.
Yup-I’m so sick of these so called Christian’s “othering” anyone who won’t join in their sick thinking-calling them zombies in order to justify killing. And I’m also tired of hearing them called delusional which gives them an out. Lori is manipulative, cunning and narcissistic. She is a psychopath. She is a malignant narcissist, not delusional.
I feel so sorry for Colby Ryan! Praying for Colby Ryan 🙏 ♥️ and his family!
Re: Lori saying she HAS made contact w/ Colby's daughter, she is defying his absolute no contact w/ his kids boundary. "I already did, you can't prevent me".
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I would of said ONLY DEMONIC ENTITIES can do that.....she is so despicable!!!!
Incredibly manipulative. “I can visit with your kids whenever I want spiritually, so you might as well let me see them”
That made me sick to my stomach.
This ⬆️ There is so much about what’s happened that’s sick but her talking about “her grandchildren” and “you can’t change that “ was very disturbing to me. It made me feel like I wanted to protect them from her myself. It felt like an attack on their innocence and on their dad’s ability to protect them from her.
Colby is so respectful in the face of of the crazy things Lori says to him
Huge hugs to Colby. (((((❤️)))))
Colby has matured several light years since this evil saga began. He is to be admired for his strength and his courage.
Colby knows how to play her game. Let her talk.. appease her.. make her feel high and mighty. Eventually he may get her to hang herself with information.
It’s the only way to have an actual conversation with a delusional individual. You don’t bother arguing with them over their delusion.
@@chilo8187 Very wise.
Glad that Dr. John will be processing this call with Colby. There had to be a small part of Colby that hoped (before the call) that Lori was coming back from her delusional state. Watching Colby's face during his call was very painful. He is trying so hard to heal.
The stare from Colby when she made the brat comment was so powerful. Disbelief and disgust. Poor guy. I'm sure Dr John will be a huge help to him. This is a really thoughful response from you both, well done💯
Watching this on replay. Lauren and Dr.John you are both so intelligent and empathetic! My heart so goes out to Colby, he is strong and wise , so good hearted. I worry about him. I’m glad Dr. John that you look out for him. God bless you for supporting him. Colby is certainly in my prayers, along with his wife Kelsey and his beautiful daughters and newborn baby boy🙏🏻. Life can be so unfair 😢
Jesus asked her if she would do the job if she lost everything. She said I lost everything!!! When the fact is she never lost anything, she threw it all away! In my humble opinion.
Agree 100%. Her own doing. I am sorry when people tell a story that involves Jesus. I don't believe he leaves his throne to talk to any human. If we take the Bible literally, he is sitting at the right side of God, and will leave that place to his second coming. That's it for me. Jesus talks to no one, period. IMHO, of course. Therefore, she decided that everyone on her way would die. And her first victim was Joe, Tylee's father.
Lori didn’t lose everything. Charles lost everything. Tammy lost everything. Tylee lost everything.
JJ lost everything.
She deliberately destroyed everything. It wasn't taken from her.
I watched this on Sunday when Colby uploaded it. To say that it was difficult to watch is an understatement. I am not related and it was difficult for me to watch. My heart goes out to Colby.
Gosh what if she always had this level of hatred towards Tylee because she was a child of her ex husband Joe who she really hated. Lori made her sick and emotionally tortured her though out tylees life. I do wonder if Lori had made Tylee sick to make herself look like she was great caring mother to garner attention. But she couldn’t care less about Tylee and telling her she was molested by her father was also a form of emotional abuse. When Lori hates she doesn’t let go.
💯♥️ Totally agree!!👍
Lori may have considered her female child to be a potential competitor as well.
As a daughter of an NPD mother (actually diagnosed), I've learned that NPD mothers project their insecurities onto their daughter(s) and punish their daughters for imagined slights against mom. It's a very twisted dynamic, but NPD moms see their daughters as things, extensions of themselves, not people. Lori knows murder is wrong to society, but she doesn't see it as wrong to blame Tylee for her actions because Tylee is her thing to do with as she pleases.
Lori also alleged that Joe SA'd
Colby and he was old enough to know if it actually happened.
When Lori turned on her 😢 and decided she was a zombie, you can hear Tylee in the background of a call saying “mom, no, it’s me. It’s me, Tylee!” And it BREAKS my heart.
Alex Cox text to Lori: “What are you doing?”
Lori responds: “Working on Zs”
Also Lori “I never said Zombies”
Colby needs to shut that prison door behind him and Never look Back.. go on with his young family.. get some trestment for his mental health and live a great life.❤
After that call she should be charged with cruelty to her child.
He’s a adult
@@MrPaultopphe is still her child and he is still dealing with his mother's cruelty. The wake of pain she leaves behind her is nothing short of brutal and devastating.
@@MrPaultopp Still her child. No matter how old …. My adult daughter is still my child. Will always be my baby.
1:00:08 Regarding this part of the conversation, I do absolutely believe still that Tylee was indeed a victim of Factitious Disorder Imposed Upon Another/Munchausen’s by Proxy. She mentioned something about a preschool teacher or care giver at the time, giving Tylee essential oils to DRINK because her stomach bothered her. I believe it could be that LORI gave her daughter essential oils in her food and beverages which made her sick, drugs which were not prescribed to Tylee for her own conditions, etc. I believe she did regularly drug Tylee, JJ and Charles. Did Tylee recognize that her mother might have killed Joe Ryan, her birth father?! I do wonder.
BINGO!💯♥️
Yes !
We are also glossing over testimony of Melanie Gibb, David Warwick that Tylee wasn’t even there.
Indeed, among a whole lot of negative evidence for Tylee, ie she stopped using her phone, jeep, payment cards and wasn't seen on any shop surveillance etc since after the Yellowstone trip on the 8th. Tylee left no trace after the 8th. Lori's story is so stupidly childish in the face of reality.
No they mentioned a few times she was already dead a few weeks by time jj was killed. No 1 buys her nonsense story.
She’s pulling out all the stops, except TELLING HIM THE TRUTH!
This was such a a heartbreaking and emotional, guy wrenching interview. My heart went out to Colby.
She’s even lying about the eight women on death row. There are only three and they are not housed in the Maricopa County jail. Thank you for your relationship with Colby.
I totally wondered about. Eight is a lot for women and she is in a county jail
I think she means they have DP trials. But even that seems high.
But…she helps them with their workouts! And “other stuff”😅
@@chilo8187 I know, are they imaginary women or is she just spouting at the mouth.
@@chilo8187 the workout comment sent me. Like Jesus Christ would come to you and tell you you’re going to lose everything so that you can help prisoners with their workouts and “stuff.” I have no words.
Dr. John's insight is BRILLIANT. I really feel like he nailed it with his observations on Lori's projection. This seems so on the nose.
I'm so grateful for Dr. John is there for. Colby.
And hot damn he catches Lori admitting she knows she probably abused Tylee!!!
I was hoping you both would comment on this new interview with her !
Me too.
Your husband is such a great psychologist. I love to hear him. He helps me understand not only this case but humanity and my own obstacles in the terrestrial path.
Hello Dr. John & Lauren;
Great coverage of this case. You two are spot on, here. Thank you for sharing all of this critical information. You two have made sense of a horrifying and depressing case. Too bad Tylee and JJ did not get away from all of this. Thankfully, Colby has recognized Laurie, Alex and Chad for who and what they are and has distanced himself. Stay safe, Colby!
Omg. The strength that Colby is showing. I know from having an evil mother. You never get totally over that damage a parent has done to you. You learn to manage it. Colby deserves healing and closure. You're amazing Colby. ❤❤
After all these years now after Lori is in jail she says that Tylee was the one who killed JJ? OMG what a sick woman. To all the women who have killed their own children or step-child YOU ARE ALL SICK IN THE HEAD and deserve to be in jail. Words are not strong enough to explain the evil you all are through and through.
I’m so sorry for Colby and his many losses, including his Mom
The constant referral to him as being her friend, the only one who is worth knowing the truth... seems to be a terrible way of manipulation and control.
My fear is that had Colby been in the vicinity of Lori and Chad,he would have been unalived.
Prayers for Colby and his family.
Glad to hear you weigh in, the call was gut wrenching. His composure was astounding,. She was so cruel and thought she knew what strings she could pull. Like he may have been hoping for old Lori, his mom. She thought, she was speaking to old Colby, who is a child who could be placated by platitudes. The sun has set on both old Lori and old Colby, they are gone, forever changed. I'm happy to hear you will be there to provide him with some understanding, guidence and support. He's a grown man, a father, a husband and nothing like her. He's a man with strength, courage and convictions not to be swayed.
I think Colby needs to come to terms with Lori being like this for way longer than since 2018. She might have been somewhat "hinged" early on, but the gaslighting (and I suspect Münchhausen by Proxy) has been a staple with her.
Yes. I also wonder if that would be harder for him than believing she became this way because of Chad. He’ll have to re examine his entire childhood. I feel so bad for him.
his own religious beliefs are in the way rn....
1000 percent
Yes, it is unfortunate, but true.
@nicdonato Yes, eventually he has to come to his senses. Their religious beliefs lead to that, IMHO. Right now he is going one day at the time. If he watches Megan Connor, he would get there faster. But he must to be careful. That can lead to despair and even worse situations, like not wanting to live.
Lori has an angle to having this conversation, knowing this will come out one way or another. She knows her phone call isn’t private. She knows It’s recorded. She knows her court date is coming up. She wants to get these lies out there before her trial, while trying to convince Colby that she’s innocent. All these deaths were “not her fault”
Colby’s emotional maturity and restraint was astounding in this conversation. Colby is an incredibly strong man with empathy and a realness that his mother will never truly understand. My heart goes out to Colby. ❤
That is what I thought, too. She is still working her con on anyone that is willing to listen. Manipulative drivel all around. 🙄
Maybe to blame Charles death on tylee too.
@@mammabear5475💯 She'll find a way to blame Charles's murder on someone else. My guess is she'll blame it on either just Charles or Charles & Tylee. I think she'll say it was Tylee's fault they were fighting & it's Charles's fault because he was very menacing & attacked Lori, Tylee or Alex.
Lori is going to say Tylee killed Charles. Lori is setting up Tylee to take the blame for Charles’ murder. It was all Tylee….she killed everyone.
@@joycemarie9702 absolutely 💯. I had thought Alex had unalived the kids, but after watching this, I’m realizing it’s probable that Lori did.
Love, love, love to Colby. He’s experiencing such an extreme example of what Dr John described as adults realizing that the environments they grew up in/parents they grew up with weren’t ok/normal. That statement really touched me b/c I felt understood. Nobody is all good or all bad, and as kids we only see the good (unless it’s obviously terribly bad).
Actually, after typing that I realized that I would describe my own childhood as terribly bad now that I have my own kids - but as a kid I was thinking that although we didn’t have much, I had plenty of food to eat, friends at school, hobbies I enjoyed - all of my physical needs were met.
It’s SO jarring when as adults we realize that our “good” parents were only doing “good” things for us for their own benefit. Kids don’t have the life experience to notice all the things parents should be doing for their benefit that they aren’t doing, or notice how they gain acceptance/praise/status from their peers which could be a motivating factor instead of love. Kids often fail to realize that abuse of any kind eclipses all of that “good.” I know I did, and continue to wrestle with what my responsibility is to my parents when they both hurt me terribly but also technically made me who I am.
It’s difficult to come to terms with this on any scale. My deepest respect to Colby for doing what he needed to do in order to gain the understanding of what is really going on between himself and his mom.
I’m sure as a dad his hair must be on fire just thinking about treating his own kids the way he and his siblings were thought of & treated.
I am encouraged by Colby’s love, strength, and endurance in this trial. May God give him peace somehow, and I pray that the sweet family he is building with his wife will flourish in all respects.
Dr. John, You did an amazing job with your analysis. You opened my eyes to what is going on with this criminal, Lori, and I agree with everything that you said. Thank you both for having this amazing channel to help us try and understand what we can not understand about the human
mind and people who do such horrific acts. What Colby must be dealing with and I am so happy that he found you two.
She has been a cluster B since childhood.
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I have no words about this manipulating, gaslighting, deceptive, narcissitic beyatch...Colby needs to write her off. She wrote him off a long time ago..
She simply wants Colby to send her money and play pretty with her so people will think Colby understands her! She won’t do anything that doesn’t benefit her! They never do!
Gaslighting at its finest. Sickening
I will give her one thing she is cunning and in MY mind it’s how she got away with and justified what she did to Joseph Ryan .
This part👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻. I know Summer and others contribute her downfall starting when she met Chad..Lori’s manipulation goes back years before he entered her life.
@@Jezbel1466 I think she started to really unravel after what she did to Joe Ryan
Oh she killed him too. No doubt in my mind.
What 17 year old knows they want to be cremated? And Colby’s just like “uhhh… no?!” WTF?
The woman's behavior is incredibly disturbing. She not only blames the victims for the killings but also attributes her actions to Jesus, claiming that he asked her to kill two innocent children. 😡
I'm so glad Colby has the 2 of you to help him ❤️
Thank you for covering this. For showing support to Colby and for those who loved Tylee.
Lori convinced Tylee she was abused sexually by her own father…that alone is so awful.
I’m surprised not many people are talking about this 😢
@@kariminalminds apparently she convinced Colby that Joe molested him as well. Colby mentioned it in his testimony, but it was skipped over because it wasn’t relevant to the case at hand.
@@gigib8849We believe Colby. His statement to police as a 10 year old (without his mom with him) has not changed. The psychologist who assessed him to determine the truth of his statements also believed him. The social workers on Dateline did not assess Colby or even talk to him.
You’re right that it is not relevant to this situation right now, but we believe Colby.
@@HiddenTrueCrime thank you for this information. I have never known how old he was when he reported.
Yours is the best podcast out there. You two where so phenomenal tonight
Catching the replay - im so goad Dr.John is addressing this horrific phone call
Wasn't it a proven fact, that Tylee died long before JJ.
Lori doesn’t
let the truth
get in the way.
Amen to that! If you ever wonder what the devils like, I think we found out.
Yes!
As well as the fact the Tylee loved and cared for JJ. Even if they were roughhousing, Tylee would not have accidentally killed him. Roar!
exactly. she made it even WORSE this time, IMO. but I still think she should keep on talking, until she's caught in her own web of lies. until she can't lie to herself anymore. she'll break, eventually.
The number of times Lori tried to force-team Colby onto her side, up to and including "you're like Job, too, because of all of this." Stunning.
Next she’s going to blame Tylee for killing Charles, Joe Ryan, Tammy and taking a shot at Brandon. After all it was her jeep.
Yup
Right?
This is so good to discuss…I got the chills when Dr. John said…”it’s her!!”
My heart breaks for Colby. He’s lost everything from his childhood
That evil woman knew he was going to make it public.
She is not mentally ill, she is not delusional and she is still using “religion” as a cover for her greed and determination to live the high life without ever working.
EVERY word was strategic.
She blamed Tylee to hurt him and to give the middle finger to the rest of her family and society.
When the money ran out, she would eliminate Chad, too.
She is absolutely mentally ill. She is also evil. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
exactly
I agree with your statement about every word being strategic. You can tell that by the way she paused and emphasized certain words. I have NPD people in my family...they speak the same way when they are trying to take control of the narrative .
This confirms 100% that this woman harmed her child all along (Munchausen by Proxy). She would do ANYTHING for attention, even now.
Colby HAS GOT TO leave her behind. She is a sick sick liar. Who’s gonna feed her commissary if he walks away? That’s her motive.
The sad truth is that many people will. These monsters get groupies and Lori will surely have them.
At the end of the call he laid his boundaries
I’m pretty sure Emma is keeping her topped up.
@@EffSharp exactly you beat me to it. He probably don't even send her any. You could only get certain amount a month and she does trust me. Susan Smith, jodi arias and on and on do.
Her mother will…. Or Emma… 😐
I am so glad you guys did this video, Lauren! When I first saw Colby's video, the first thing I thought after watching was I hope Dr. John analyzes this!! And Dr. John pointing out how Lori says: "In my mind." He's so right!! I hadn't noticed that when I first listened to it!
Lori: "blown out of proportion."
Everyone: YOU KILLED CHILDREN.
SHE IS THE MOST SELF CENTERED NARCISSISTIC PYSCHOPATHIC MOTHER I have EVER EVER heard SPEAK! And I KNOW what it is like to be ABUSED by a family member who has these traits! It HURTs you to the CORE of your being! All the GAS- LIGHTING!!!!! and it's so hard when you LOVE that person and they REFUSE to own up to their character flaws! THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT! THRY ARE ALWAYS the HErO!!!!
They ONLY care about THEMSELVES!!!!!! Lori made this CONVERSATION ALL ABOUT HER!!!!!!!
COLBY needed her to be honest , and remorseful. HE NEEDED HER TO SAY. I AM SO SORRY! I know I DID the unthinkable!!!!!!! I KNOW she loved Colby . But she is not the mother he once had. That person is gone! This Lori is very dangerous! Colby needs to protect his family and keep them far far away from her! It's heartbreaking!!!! 💔 So very sad for him!
" Stupid" Melanie Gibb needs to be charged in my opinion as well!!!!!‼️🤯
I believe SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS what she did! SHE WAS DANCING ON A BEACH and sunning herself AT THE POOL with " FAmILY guy dad Chud the dud" carefree without a care in the world......
The only thing Lori feels bad about, IS that SHE got CAUGHT!!!!!!
I will Pray for Loris' soul!🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Dr John and Lauren for all your hard work! It shows and is appreciated!
This! I feel exactly the same. I used to tell myself all the time, you are imagining things, parents wouldn’t deliberately hurt or lie to their kids. Boy was I wrong. It hurts so much. I feel so much empathy from the core of my being for Colby and anyone when had or has to deal with narc parents.
I agree w/ much of what you’re saying. I don’t believe she loves Colby in any true sense of the word. Her children like all people in her malignant self-absorbed narcissistic universe are “objects” to be used to her benefit.
When someone is no longer useful or she tires of them or is simply seeking new narcissistic supply they are discarded.
I believe Colby was sadly & likely manipulated as a young boy, his memories influenced by false & malicious narratives created by Lori to target & discard Colby’s father Joe.
Her only interest imo in Colby at this point is to use him by hopefully recruiting him to be a Lori flying monkey.
The best thing Colby can do imo is move on & get some high quality deep psychological help & go “no contact” w/ Lori.
I agree 100%! How the hell could it be God's plan to collect life insurance and hang out in Hawaii, WTF
1st thought when I watched it on Colby's channel: I cannot wait for Dr. John to dig into THIS!
I would never have thought it possible for this monster to be anymore detestable than she already was... and then ...THIS!!!
This woman no more believes her own crap, than we do. She just can't bear that the world hates her. I bet she's just gutted, that she didn't think of this ridiculous scenario when the police first came a knocking (not that it'd make a scrap of difference)!
.💯 when one story doesn't she tweaks it to continue gaslighting.
Unforgivable that she even tried to tell this big of a LIE. Just keeps getting worse.
Good for you, Colby. The whole “your baby came to me before she was born” just might be the most messed up part of this whole thing. What a sick manipulation. So sorry, Colby. As much as possible, don’t look back. Focus on the family you’re creating. ❤❤❤
I would like to pretend like I believe her and scream "omg you let an innocent man go to death row to keep the secret that an accidental death occurred !? THAT'S HORRIBLE!"
I suppose Lori forgot about JJ being seen in pictures and on video playing outside AFTER Tylee's murder.
Great point!!!!!
The whole conversation is heart wrenching. One of the things that stood out for me was how Lori really pushed to be in his children’s lives as a grandmother, I heard a noticeable change in her tone when she was told she will never have that privilege as of this time.
I really enjoy the dynamic and conversation style that is used to discuss cases. I do not find true crime entertaining however, I find the deep psychological dive interesting.
There is a lot of respect and compassion for all people involved.