Same here! As a teen, all I remember was hearing about cases of young women meeting a guy that swept them from their feet, having dream weddings only to be found lying dead in a ditch somewhere with their new husband being the main suspect. No thanks!
Calling in the police is making the situation dreadfully serious and harder to face. When you call the police you are admitting that that something terrible has happened.
The Mom should have called the police right away. The daughter had told her mother about her husband behavior, yet the mother said she didn't ask her daughter again. I don't understand some people
I feel the same way! The mom was so stand offish about getting the involved when her daughter went silent. Talking about I didn’t want her to be mad at me if the police showed up at her door. Ummmm ma’am that’s your daughter and she will get over it! I’d rather somebody care about my well being over my feelings. Weird mother / daughter relationship!
I live in deep East Texas out of town and we have a burn pit. My dad burns old furniture, burnable trash(cardboard or paper), whatever else he decides to get rid of that's easier to burn rather than drive to the dump. If she did leave and spray paint vulgar language on the walls and floor he would need to repaint the place. Until he's convicted or more evidence comes out I don't think it's right to fully jump to he's guilty. Remember sherri papini? She disappeared on her own and before she came back everyone thought it was the husband because she was telling everyone before she "disappeared" that he was abusive which was a lie. She went missing voluntarily leaving him to look like a murderer when he was completely innocent supportive husband and all around good dude. There is a reason people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Jumping to conclusions after watching one youtube video is just irresponsible. Not saying he is definitely innocent or that its not easy to come to the conclusion hes guilty based on what we know just that there is a possibility he is innocent and that should be acknowledged. sherri is a perfect example if she would have decided to stay gone and not come back and pretend she had been kidnapped her husband would have stayed looking guilty because of all the lies she told about him.
@@janelightning73why? Its not uncommon for people that dont live in the city to burn large heavy items because taking them to the dump is more effort and costs money. The neighbors had no reason to call it wasnt an out of control blaze.
Never confront someone who's already got full control of you ,even when you find something out that floors you. Escape quietly as soon as you can. And no your belongings and those of your children don't matter, they'll be replaced. You or your children never will be. Love - an escapee
Also an escapee (kidnapping, felonious restraint, domestic violence, ect charges)... It isn't always that easy, but that is great advice. But sometimes, it feels impossible to get out. ❤ Don't feel bad if it's hard to get away, keep trying. Don't give up.
Moms and Dads that are entering a new relationship and you find out your S/O has a double life DO NOT confront them until YOU and KIDS are safe. We live in a world where you cant underestimate someone
Underestimate?!?!........that's no different than giving someone "a chance". If you have a bad feeling about someone, you should sense it way before you get into any kind of serious relationship. There's either real interest or no interest at all.
@junglekutz5625 yeah...I did that!! Waited for 4 years before I even introduced him to my children! He went from Love of my life to a Total Narcissistic Freak!!!! .....Bye!!!
Stfu Im a parent and im just giving advice because some moms/dads are naive and are so focus on finding a partner they over look the red flag. the worst thing you could do is confront a person you just found out might be dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!! @@budgonstopCANELO
Note to self: If someone is chasing you around the streets, don’t get out and confront them. Drive to the nearest police station. And if you clearly have a cell phone on you, call the cops! 🤦🏻♀️
And another note to self: If the sheriff’s department shows up at your door with a search warrant, book right away the next possible flight to Belize 🇧🇿 😊
Sometimes I avoid the bigger picture simply because I don’t want to face it or believe it, & aside from that, my panic attacks are pretty bad. This mom probably was too terrified to find out the truth, & accept the reality. 😢 Everyone is different, it doesn’t mean she didn’t care.
That got me too! Even if her family let a week pass, they still could have reported them missing or asked for a welfare check. But 2 months of doing nothing!?
I can’t wrap my head around waiting two months to report your daughter missing. I MIGHT get 12-24 hours before my parents and brothers start asking questions.
Same goes for her “friend”. She told her everything yet her friend didn’t go looking for her same as her mother, who more or less told Susan to talk to Jerry about it. She should have had her come to her house to be safe. So sad no one would put themselves out there to protect Susan and her son.
The fact that he was still cleaning after 2 months just goes to show they gave him plenty of time to get away with murder. Even neighbours didnt care to contact police ? This is shocking
@@lydiakapten Didn't you watch it? It says that he burned stuff for days and that the smoke reached 4-5 houses down. Def should have raised suspicions to the neighbors, had they cared.
Im not gonna lie, I’m furious at the mom’s actions. First she gives her daughter the worse advice ever and tells her to ask her prostituting husband about his secret life. And then she waits two months before reporting her missing. I’m sorry but what in the actual F was she thinking!?
I agree, but I wonder if it isn't because the mother (as well as the brother), weren't tired of running to Susan's rescue every time and they were hoping for the best in this marriage. Her brother already said he had to 'rescue' her after her first marriage when she had no money (likely she didn't have a job, like with her second marriage to the male prostitute) and they cut off her water, so he went and got her and her furniture, letting her move in with him. I suspect Susan had done this to her mother also. They had their fingers crossed hoping things would work out for her.
It seems like there is dysfunctional relating, and beliefs of the family. The mother even had a distorted belief that her daughter’s husband cared about her daughter because he wanted her to wear nice things. We have to question false narratives if we are ever going to see reality for what it is
Waiting yeah, she should have spilled it immediately but asking him and trying to see if it was worth working it out? They've known each other for a long time, there must have been trust
@@FM-jo1jhlol a trap for what? Warrants? We don’t follow people in unmarked vehicles in the hopes that they’ll go to a precinct for a “trap.” If I have sufficient probable cause to stop you, you’re getting stopped by a marked unit. If I’m in an unmarked unit and have probable cause to stop you (I.e., high-risk warrant apprehension), I’m getting a marked unit to initiate it. Your comment is the most paranoid sounding thing, it’s ridiculous
I think Mr. Vesper should have had his door locked. I don't understand how the murderer was able to stab him inside the car. People should always have their doors locked in their cars.
@@reneecarter6702 I think he was saying you dont go to the precinct if you have some trap set up for the guy following you. But, who has a trap set up 24-7 ready to turn the tables on someone following you? Nobody.
I became a single mom when my daughter was 4. I made the choice then and there not to bring anyone into our lives until she leaves home. It was a personal choice among others to make sure we're safe. It's a scary world out there, the least I can do is choose to make my daughter's peace priority. That poor Mom
I waited until daughter was an adult and not in my home. My Sons were 6’3” (14) and 6’6” (17)when I started dating. No staying in my house. I’m now 68 and engaged to the love of my life (finally 🙄).
I don't connect with my daughter every day but her four sons very much do. I talk to her pretty much every two days or so. Two months is inconceivable!
I was divorced after 26 years of marriage. My ex and I share grandchildren and have no problem being around each other. Every time I read about or hear stories like this I am so thankful.
You are incredibly lucky. Makes me happy to know that there are some good men out there. It feels weird to me though. Every man in my life was insane. My husband included. I have a restraining order against him. We have a four yo together. It's just heartbreaking. He's a mess. Not a nice man either. I'm glad you guys have a good relationship. 😊
@Kd & @jessewade4557 That's why u r both divorced - so darn gullible. Why wld u call him good? 😂 Ex-wife he hates your guts. Just playing along so he can circle back to.kake u his "hospice nurse". Dont u see these testimonials. They look stupid & desperate. It"s why he left. If he "got caught" - he wanted it to get the he11 away from you. Gave u a reaso to allow him to move on without you. Pray & get ovr him, or stay sick
Thats how i did.i gave space the Sekret affair grows. Made my passport.pretended everything is fine.took the Signatures to travel abroad with Our daughter.have arranged to expand the house.left the abusive marriage and never returned. Thats 35 years ago
This mom clearly understood the volatility of her daughter’s relationship. She knew if she called the cops and her daughter wasn’t missing, that her husband would never let her daughter or grandson talk to her again. She’s a victim in this, not a cause
Stop judging. We don’t know their dynamics. She explained why she did what she did. May they find out what happened and bring any wrongdoer to justice!
Well she did say that she waited because she didn't want to call the cops and the cops show up at her residence and piss her daughter off. It's obvious that the mothers concern isn't welcome. So that's why she didn't take that iniative.
I always say don't have children unless you plan to stay to raise them until adulthood. Stepparents aren't always nice. Nothing beats being a single parent to keep your children safe.
Yup. Kids need at least one very stable parent and you can’t give the m the attention they need if you are dating. Also unfortunately some men date women so they can abuse the kids. Don’t date until your kids show you they are old enough to not want to spend all their free time with you.
My daughter doesn't answer the phone for no more than 24 hours im calling her brothers to cruise over to her place, neighbors to knock, and 911 to do a wellness check... Im on my way.
Crazy but in wv you can't burn nothing but wood, paper, or anything made made we live out in the woods, have neighbors and they do call if they smell anything but wood , so this is crazy that no one called about this ?
@@rachelsill79I totally agree with u and plastics I thought were not allowed to be burnt, if toxic smells are being burnt off 😮 its dangerous to. People and could cause a fire spreading 😮fires always need to be reported
Women and men, please pay extra attention to this and never, EVER tell your partner what you have learned about them that seems suspicious. If your significant other starts becoming extremely controlling and limiting your every move, listening in on your phone conversations or restricting you from seeing your friends, realize this is not love. There is something wrong with them that you cannot help. Too many people, especially women, are still missing or known dead after they discovered things about their SO and confronted them. Please do not confront them with what you know, JUST GET OUT IMMEDIATELY and don't look back. Your things and money are not worth your lives.
I agree! Don’t let on that you know! The best way to escape is act like everything is fine, then wait for an opportunity to get away. When the mother told her to talk to him I couldn’t believe it! I would have said to get the heck out of there and have them move into her house!
Social worker here - this is 100% the right advice. Get help and support from your family, your friends or the social services if you need it - but GET OUT IMMEDIATELY. Especially if you have children. Don't put them at risk, and don't put yourself at risk - they need their mum.
Never know who you're sleeping next to as it is, although most of us have a fair idea and so we are good. However, red flags should never be ignored or accepted. We cannot change who people are no matter their connection to us. If someone shows you who they are, believe them ...period.
The mom dropped the ball twice. First time when the daughter asked for advice after finding out he was a male escort, mom's advice, you need to ask him why. Not a smart idea at all. Second time waiting two months to report her daughter and grandson missing.
Your honor I purpose the consequences for his crimes against aesthtics be as follows: 10 years bad haircut and he is only allowed to wear neck ties for the duration of his natural life
It always bewilders me how suspects think they are smart but do the most cliche B.S. ever. Divorce seems so preferable to life in prison, I just will never understand how/why people can be this vile!
because it's not about smarts, it's all about rejection & impulse and what happens is a direct lack of impulse control. only after the finality of their actions hits them do they now express regret.
Homicidal spouse: *Thinking reassuringly to themselves* “Ordinary people get killed by random whack jobs for little to no reason all the time.” (Why on Earth would anyone suspect me). * Whack job * killed ordinary people * for little to no reason Turns out the urban camouflage they were counting on wasn’t sophisticated enough to offset their ineptitude.
It has to do with arrogance. They believe that they will succeed where most others have failed because they believe themselves to be so much smarter than everyone else, including law enforcement.
To all single parents: you are THE line of defence for your children and strangers are a possible threat to them, especially when you have feelings for them. Being alone is hard, but take your time, especially with marriage. Loneliness unfortunately attracts very, very harmful people. 😢
My children were never going to have a step father - I had one & he was a hideous human being that my mother couldn't leave. I'd rather be alone than run the risk of falling into any kind of abusive cycle as that's all I've known.
Great advice for single Moms. I am worried if I pass early my wife will make this mistake. She is so trusting and would be vulnerable. Thank God my sons are old enough to protect her from any scum.
It's not 'loneliness' that attracts harmful people. It's VULNERABILITY that attracts harmful people. Loneliness can cause people to have poor judgment, and make poor decisions. Thats definitely true. But it's vulnerability that attracts the predators in the first place. It's vulnerability that the predators look for, and what draws them in. Even in the wild this is true. An Alaskan Grizzly bear stalking a large herd of caribou isn't going after the biggest strongest bull it can find. It's going after the weakest and slowest in the herd..like one of the calves that can't keep up and falls behind..the most vulnerable. People aren't all that different from animals. And when you watch enough of these true crime videos, you start to realize just how true that is. Humans are the most dangerous, and cruelest, animal in this world. Be safe out there everyone 🙏
it is so dumb that all these programmes like crimewatch approach a suspect or knock on their door expecting answers. Would anyone in their right mind guilty or innocent answer them? What is the point of this theatre?
The point is, they are letting these creeps know that they and the majority of the public knows that everything is pointing their way. We don't want them sleeping to sound now do we. Thank you Crime Watch Daily :).
If the first guy hadn't cleaned and remodeled his house it would be much more believable that she took the son and left, but them not getting in touch with family and friends pretty much proves they were murdered.
@@MaxrepfitgmOnly the neighbours LITERALLY said they saw him burning numerous fires and that the smoke was thick and smelt of plastic. 🤦 He was rural, but not THAT rural.
mmmmmm no if you kill a stranger, with no links or ties to that person, THEN never tell someone, you may get away with it...thing is, someone always knows.
After divorce, I knew I didn't want another man to correct or have ANY authority over my children. So glad I did!! They're grown and I still don't want another man. People are crazy and often have secret lives and if confronted about it, can be dangerous. NEVER confront a spouse with anything you know they will be threatened by. Get out quietly.
You don't wait 2 months before you report your daughter and grandson missing, especially when it is completely out of character for them not to reply to your texts, phone calls etc.
it's cultural. White mom's are more inclined to be sensitive to their daughters being upset with them. I know the mother's in my family don't necessarily care about being best friends with their children. It is the mother to be respected because they brought you into this world. So the daughters would just have to be upset but eventually they'd get over it if the concerned action was done out of love.
Sorry to disagree, but it isn’t cultural at all, unless you mean individual family culture. White people are no different to any others re love for their children and fear for their wellbeing. However, other non-racial points come into play… intelligence, sense of denial, how well they get on together and how often they normally talk or reply to texts etc. individual family culture, unlike racial stereotypes, are not predictable.
Damn, man. That poor woman. You can tell she doesn't even want to hate anyone, she just doesn't have anything left. She literally lost her entire family! That's sooo f*cked up! Soo sad! Prayers to her for sure.
When the man claims that a woman left EVERYTHING behind and left with another man it rarely turns out that way. The other line is she took x amount of his cash and left. Never ends well.
It has to be proven! This is how innocent people get put in jail by DA's and communities working on feelings and not facts that PROVE a person committed a crime!
The grandmother took 2 months before she did anything. I can maybe understand maybe 2-3 weeks but 2 months with no contact? Thats more than enough time for her son in law to get rid of any evidence. @@moonbeeps
Buying her clothes so she would dress like he wanted, very “ protective” translates to controlling. Encouraged her to quit her job not so she could be full time mom but so he could have complete control over her. All warning signs of at least narcissistic personality disorder at worst NPD with psychopathy.
My friend's husband kept pushing her to add more houses to clean. He LOVED picking out her clothes, didn't want her to be involved in church, discouraged her reading the Bible, etc. He was into pornography and her oldest son (his stepson) discovered photos of him cross dressing. Now we know why he wanted her to work more, to buy the sicko more pretty clothes😏 She filed for divorce, and is now happily remarried.
Umm Holly, wtf? Her 'best friend' tells her everything scandalous about her husband, says he can't find out she knows, then goes completely missing, as well as her son, and she says nothing? Not cool.
Yeah. This case was in 2017, this sick now is remarried and sold the house. I believe that if they would’ve done a welfare check after 24 hours of no communication, it could’ve helped. Think about it, this guy was cleaning 2 months later, imagine how much evidence was there 2 months prior. If I was the mom or “friend”, I would be filled with regret, I wouldn’t be able to get a full nights rest knowing I possibly dropped the ball. Most likely she was dead within the first 24 hours, but, they could’ve proved his guilt with the evidence that was there early on.
Story #2 My heartfelt condolences to the entire family on this tragedy. May God comfort you everyday with the beautiful memories that you had with your loved one.
It’s crazy that family & friends waited so long to call the police! 60 days is just insane. If my son didn’t respond within a couple days I’d be notifying the police.
The fact that this man is still living his life with a brand new family is crazy. This man was taking it the @ss and couldnt deal with anyone knowing and killed these poor people. Her mom took forever to report this and sorry to say but 2 months is too long to not hear from your daughter after never going long without speaking. He had too much time to get rid of evidence.
I don’t care what someone does, you don’t ever, EVER “out” someone. PERIOD! Regardless of what they’ve done. It’s a NEVER NEVER! Nothing good will EVER come from that!
Why did it take 2 months for anyone to contact the police? Or even visit? This is so heartbreaking Edit: I see some of you are saying it is normal for victims of abuse to isolate themselves but for no one to hear from them for 2 months? I get that they may not pick up the phone but the mother and the the best friend should of turned up at the house to check on what the hell is going on. 2 months is wild.
He would not have time to remodel or clean. They were unfortunately killed right away. Her family should have called the police earlier but I feel they were already killed. He knew how to do it. It's so sad. It seemed like they knew something had happened but they didn't want to get involved. Folks get involved.
Really bizarre. I talk to my adult son every day if only for a minute or two. There is no way I would wait even a few days without calling the police if I couldn’t reach him.
@@mandykay8629yep if I didn’t hear back from my daughter in 24hrs & no one had seen or heard from her , I would be beside myself. 2 weeks is a long time let alone 2 months. So much evidence lost 😢
So whatever happened to the blood testing? Why is he a free man still and why haven’t this mother and child gotten justice?!?!!!!!! It infuriates me for this family.
caras vemos corazones no sabemos thats how the saying goes; my mom and grandma used to say it all the time and sometimes those saying can make sense when translated back to english and sometimes the opposite can happen rendering a rambling nonsensical interpretation of whatever the original meaning was; like that one por si las moscas; in english is something like; for if the flies or also in case of the flies which absolutely makes no sense when applied in the same context the Spanish part in applied and used instead; there no way you can fit that translation in any given conversation and people can understand the proverb and understand the example; one that is always understood in both languages is the “not all that glitters is always gold” no todo lo que brilla es siempre oro; their so much fun to listen to all of the proverbs and how they came up with them
Susan and her son showed signs of needing help, before they went missing. It’s too bad those opportunities were missed by friends, family, and neighbors. Hindsight is 20/20.
Can they check when was the last time her cell phone pinged and where.If her cell phone was last pinged at her house that means she never left and he killed her and her son.
From my own experience, the first person I dated after my husband showed me that I was very much out of touch and missed many warning signs because we want so much to be wanted and loved by another man. We are missing that companionship.
If you are being chased, or in a road rage incident, do not stop. Not even of you're armed. Head to the nearest police station. That usually forces the maniac to calm down.
@@OriginalGlorfindela lady was on the phone to 911 when she pulled into the closest firehouse. He executed her in front of the kids and firefighters. She'd tried so hard to keep her kids safe, such a tragedy. If she'd been listened to and had the cops responded immediately, she may have been saved. Dawson county Georgia
Holy heck-Susan & son disappeared in 2017 and NO ONE has been charged!! Their bodies haven’t been found! Does anybody know who the little girl is in photos?
That wicked man was so controlling because he was scared he was going to get found out. God knows the truth and may justice be served. My prayers going out to those effected by this monster.
@@UsernameUnkwn21they asked that in a rhetorical manner but there’s always the snarks compelled to “school” everyone in a response. Btw, we don’t know the family dynamics but we’re allowed to ponder such things.
I lived in Scottsbluff NE since about 2000 and I remember this. Also right before I moved there a little boy named Adam Gomez was brutally murdered there. There are some real sick monsters out there
At least 2 major problems with the first story: 1. If you finally decide you must escape an abusive situation, you tend to seek assistance from law enforcement, or alternatively, a trusted friend (or new partner). If the accused is to be believed regarding the man picking up the wife and step-son, it is very unlikely that would have happened while the abusive husband was around. The vague description of the man and vehicle is very problematic. 2. Even more problematic is the lack of photographic evidence of the supposed obscenities spray-painted all over the walls inside the house. You don't just remodel an entire (nearly brand new) house at great expense just because a couple of walls need graffiti covered. You definitely want a photographic record of the graffiti to be able to counter anyone's accusation you were abusive. Instead, this graffiti excuse was likely an afterthought cover-up fabrication just like all the other excuses. His attorney sounds like a real slime ball.
Right I get scared not talking or getting a text back in a few hours from my daughters I have 3 adult daughters and I'm already thinking the worst until I hear from them or I go over to where they r living but 2 months not hearing from them that's insane
@@mistyjudge-cardwell9147Same with me and my kids. If I send them a text and don’t hear back after a couple of hours I start to panic and think the worst. The relief when you do get a reply is great. 60 days - no way. I would travel to where my kids live and knock on the door within a couple of days, especially if they didn’t answer their phone or I had sent several texts.
She finds out her new husband is a prostitute, and stays? Take your child, pack your bag (when he's gone first thing in morning to work or whenever he leaves) and GO!!!! Don't hesitate, never hesitate especially for answers because there are no acceptable answers to this type of deception!! JUST GET OUT!
Much easier said than done.. Now, if a woman has help and enough money she can grab then by all means, LEAVE. Reality dictates how easy or hard it can be to "just leave"..
@@michaeltroy7777 she has family, and friends who I am sure would have taken them in. No doubt. Everything else can be sorted, because a deception that deep (her husband being a prostitute) is a danger to her health alone! Unfortunately, she waited and kept herself and son in mortal danger.
@@michaeltroy7777Very true. Many times women stay because of complete fear and or they have absolutely no support or family. It is nit always black and white. Every situation is different from the next. I hate when ppl think they know the right answer when they are not the one going through it.
So a wife & son disappears, leaves her car, makes no contact with anyone & the husband strip's the house & destroys everything. That's enough circumstantial evidence to charge him with her disappearance
Wait, the family didn't call sheriff's dept until 2 months after they couldnt contact her and her grandson? Two months? That is really scary in itself.
The guy probably murdered her daughter and grandson and you think the grieving mother's behavior is scary but not the guy who killed them is? If you have been with a controlling partner you know that they isolate you from your family. The parent is told to keep a distance and to not disturb. As a parent, if you don't know abuse is going on you respect your child's wishes and keep low or no contact if they don't contact you first. So stop the victim blaming! It wasn't in her wildest fantasies that he could ever kill them because she doesn't think like a madman. The mother is devastated. Where is your empathy? So stop judging!!!
@@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirlIt's a valid point. They spoke every day on the phone, so he wasn't controlling that part of the relationship. The wife knew about his secrets, yet she chose to stay. It's sad all around.
The fact that she stayed with him knowing what he was doin is insane. She should've took her Son and left. U have to put ur kids before youself and before a man. Kids cant protect themselves, its our job as parents to protect our kids and give them the best possible life we can. With that being said, Neither of them deserved what happened to them. He could've simply left, there was no reason for him to do what he did. Hes pure evil
He didn't do anything. Its been six years and he has a new woman and in a new house. The blood did not come back as theirs. She took her son and left. The mother know where her daughter is. Its why she took 2 months of no so called communication with her daughter before contacting the police. The friend with all the emails also didn't tell police until 2 month later. The mother and best friend know exactly where they are.
@@shaunpcdwell if what you say is true than why has no one seen them, why has neither of their social security numbers been used, bank accounts, school records? There’s not a trace of them nor has their family or best friend heard from either of them. Nice try though, new girlfriend in the new house. What’s done in the dark, always comes to the light. One day, as with all these other missing wives & children, the perpetrators are caught & do soend the rest of their lives in prison. With all the evidence and cell phone tracking data, it’s only a matter of time, guaranteed! The mother & the best friend, right on this program, say differently than what you’re saying in your comment. This man did something to her & it will come out. He sure does like to clean a lot, hmmm. Neighbors have CCTV footage of the time and they didn’t leave on their own, in their car, not on foot, not by another vehicle. Tell us new woman, why he burnt new furniture, redid the house when she “went with another man who picked her up”. Matter of time…watch and see. Neighbors have videos, ring cameras, where he absolutely removed floors, burnt them in the backyard, they have footage of this. Bottom line, his atty says this is definitely odd & that she’s never been gone for this long. He’s been given more than an opportunity of innocent until proven guilty. There’s not one shred of evidence to show that she spray painted anything on the walls as he claims. When “parents” want to repaint walls, that doesn’t include ripping up entire floors, “sub floors”, and then be scrubbing concrete. It’s only a matter of time, she very well may be buried right under those new floors, as many other husbands have done in the past.
Ladies, never put a stranger/boyfriend in the same home as your innocent precious children. Stay single!! He was possessive over her phone because he was doing all these nasty things in secret!
I did once after divorce, not smart. Kicked his ass out after creepy garbage and have stayed single since. Best decision I made for both my children's safety and my sanity. The risk of serious harm by having a non biological father in the home is through the roof.
I really believe after something that traumatic like a divorce, it’s best for both parties to get therapy. It’s better for the kids and the parties involved. Then after that is at least resolved to a decent co parent situation, then go out and meet someone else if you want.
1) Call 911 for rescue assistance 2) Drive to the police station 3) Drive to hospital 4) Drive to fire station CHOOSE WHICHEVER IS CLOSER I know from personal experience it is hard to think clearly BUT this is why you prepare your mind NOW with what to do when faced with danger. Tell yourself NOW to: Not stop your car Do call 911 rescue If that's not possible; Drive to police or fire station or hospital - whatever is closest If Wounded Don't Drive Home Drive to hospital, police or fire station, whichever is closest YOUR GOAL IS TO SURVIVE BY GETTING WITH ANY RESCUE WORKERS May God Help Us All 🥺
As the former spouse of a firefighter/EMT, you shouldn’t drive if you have life threatening injuries because you could pass out while driving and not only kill yourself, but others. Best to call 911 who can administer life saving help faster than you can drive somewhere.
Make the reward $250,000 and the snitch will surely lead you to the perp .. then indict both of them .. charge the snitch for withholding prudent evidence in a criminal investigation and the other for the murder .. then keep the money
There are good people out there. I've been with the same guy for over 10 years, and I've known him for 17. Couldn't be without him. But if you're happy that's the most important thing :) be well
LOL what makes you think humans are rational. They're not. One of the best things you can realize in life is that humans are NOT rational. So many things will start to make sense now.
If just divorce didnt take half the fortune of the person... It's greed in the end what pushes for murder. In other countries you dont get half of the money, you can split things up pre-wedding.
This is why woman should always save emergency money themselves. If I found out my husband was doing shady shit behind my back I would wait to say anything and just make arrangements and leave. And then tell him. I know you want to confront them as a basic instinct… but if they are unstable you never know what they are capable of.
Exactly even if you had to go like she said and get dropped off and call the cops to make sure you could either leave or they would stand by so you could grab your stuff.
@stormysocks Yes it’s easy for us in the comments to say and I can’t imagine the fear but there are services and police out there to help in these cases!! NEVER DO IT ALONE RIP X More has to be done though other than restraining orders which aren’t for for purpose
What actually creeps me out is the escalation into murder because there never were consequences for all the lies they told before, or the lies by the people who raised them that taught them deception never has serious consequences. Best example: his parents claiming that she sprayed vulgar graffitis before leaving. They bred this killer since childhood.
Then in court the moms swear their killer sons r good etc even after killing many ppl. Denial with no consequences. Parenting is the hardest job in the world but geez.😡🙄
Anytime a person gets away with running circles around someone, they will do anything they please......murder as well. Whether or not his parents taught him to be deceptive, is his business and his choice. She should have never tolerated all that weirdness that had her talking on speaker or making sure that her friend only communicates via email. That's some shit that should repulse you. Not the fact that he lived a double life. Cause she would have already been turned off and moved on. Uncovering his secrets should have not been a goal. Her son and her protection should have been her only focus.
True enough. Every case needs to be looked at individually. Even if one has a good childhood and caring parents doesn`t mean a person will live a life without crime, it`s not that simple. @Azhairmaven77
One thing that really sticks in my mind is that Evan, her son, may have been clueless as to what was going on and was completely bewildered when he was attacked. He is the one that I feel the most sorrow for. I will not sleep well tonight after watching this.
Well, you would be surprised at how many MARRIED men have "extracurricular" activities! The ring makes no difference to me anymore - because almost all of them have one on. I feel sorry for them that they feel they have to be trapped in a tired, meaningless marriage to prove things to others and not consider their own happiness.
@@bostonteaparty3926I LIVE IN APACHE JUNCTION AZ. TONS OF MARRIED MEN CHEATING ON WIVES WITH OTHER MEN IN THEVTOWNS PORN THEATER! MANY ARE MAGA VOTERS. SHOCKED ME TO SEE ALL THESE MEN BANGING OTHER MEN AND LOSE WOMEN INSIDE THE THEATER!
I'm a friend of Jason's wife's family. Josh and his girlfriend were at my house the night this happened. There are several major theories that are whispered about why this happened. Whatever the reason, it's heartbreaking and senseless and cruel.
My rule of thumb is if my loved ones don't answer in an hours time wellness checks are coming and they all agree to this process we all have to protect each other. As for someone who looks at your txt's and monitors every move you make...RUN
but hey, look how impressed she was that he wanted her daughter to look nice, so he so generously bought her dresses. That’s a big plus in her book. Mom only wanted to see $$ provider/protector not controlling/possessive husband.
This first case really needs to be solved, and an arrest made. I saw this when it first came out in 2017, and It's still quite obvious who the killer is. Step it up, detectives.
id your daughter calls you and tells you that she thinks her Husband is gay, WHY as a Mother would you wait 2 months after not hearing from your daughter OR grandson to tell Police she is missing? WHY ???
If my daughter & grandson were missing....I would be at her front door confronting the husband, demanding answers, then I would be back with the police, for those answers! Waiting 2 months before this mother called police is insane! That should never have happened, they should have been called the moment she went missing, sadly, she was already dead by that point. May they both be Resting In Peace.
His wife called her boyfriend, crying for sympathy, telling him her husband was mean to her and the boyfriend went looking so he could show her how much he loved her and could be together now. Why else would some man be so angry at him?
IKR, lol. But come to think of it, to reporters, it shouldn't matter that suspects won't admit to a crime -any behavioural response such as silence, running, anger, over-explaining etc is a telling response in itself, sufficient for their story telling role, and enough to garner public opinion, unlike law enforcers seeking legal recourse.
It's not done for that reason. What they are really looking at is the behavior or any slip ups once they ask those hard-hitting questions. People have been caught in lies thanks to these interviews.
Oh how iffy for mother and son. Ladies you cant control these weirdos. Keep quiet. Do what needs to be done and move on quietly. But protect your children and your own lives. Nothing is worth losing your lives over. This is unnecessary and probably a tragedy in the line.
I don't think he was a weirdo at all - he was just living his best life but was not smart enough to keep a female out of his mix. She was not needed! All that baggage was hers - including that child and he should not have interjected himself in that foolishness in the first place.
Anytime I think I want to date or get remarried, I just watch true crime and I get over it.
Same!
Same here! As a teen, all I remember was hearing about cases of young women meeting a guy that swept them from their feet, having dream weddings only to be found lying dead in a ditch somewhere with their new husband being the main suspect. No thanks!
@karami8844 And we men hear the same stories about guys getting taken out by their wives.
Facts you already had your chance/kids. Buy a dog
Absolutely! I’m so safe and free by myself.
The most suspicious thing ever is a man cleaning two days in a row…
haha, that alone is enough for Case Closed.
my husband wouldn't be able to clean up properly, he doesn't have enough experience to do a good job.
Not really... but hah hah
😂
😂
Ignorant comment, Some people don't like a mess. Male and Female.
The fact that the mother and bff knew all this crap about him, yet took 2 months to report her missing is wild.
Calling in the police is making the situation dreadfully serious and harder to face. When you call the police you are admitting that that something terrible has happened.
@@francesmeyer8478 yes but it would’ve also cut WAY down on Amt of time he had to cover up his scene
The Mom should have called the police right away. The daughter had told her mother about her husband behavior, yet the mother said she didn't ask her daughter again. I don't understand some people
im sure the Mom and BFF reported it, the cops are all like "meh, you are crazy" ...
I feel the same way! The mom was so stand offish about getting the involved when her daughter went silent. Talking about I didn’t want her to be mad at me if the police showed up at her door. Ummmm ma’am that’s your daughter and she will get over it! I’d rather somebody care about my well being over my feelings. Weird mother / daughter relationship!
Who burns furniture and matresses,he's definitely GUILTY...
1000%
He is as guilty as sin for sure, he would be missing too in short order, just saying.
Neighbors should have called fire dept about those FIRES.
I live in deep East Texas out of town and we have a burn pit. My dad burns old furniture, burnable trash(cardboard or paper), whatever else he decides to get rid of that's easier to burn rather than drive to the dump. If she did leave and spray paint vulgar language on the walls and floor he would need to repaint the place. Until he's convicted or more evidence comes out I don't think it's right to fully jump to he's guilty.
Remember sherri papini? She disappeared on her own and before she came back everyone thought it was the husband because she was telling everyone before she "disappeared" that he was abusive which was a lie. She went missing voluntarily leaving him to look like a murderer when he was completely innocent supportive husband and all around good dude.
There is a reason people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Jumping to conclusions after watching one youtube video is just irresponsible.
Not saying he is definitely innocent or that its not easy to come to the conclusion hes guilty based on what we know just that there is a possibility he is innocent and that should be acknowledged. sherri is a perfect example if she would have decided to stay gone and not come back and pretend she had been kidnapped her husband would have stayed looking guilty because of all the lies she told about him.
@@janelightning73why? Its not uncommon for people that dont live in the city to burn large heavy items because taking them to the dump is more effort and costs money. The neighbors had no reason to call it wasnt an out of control blaze.
Never confront someone who's already got full control of you ,even when you find something out that floors you. Escape quietly as soon as you can. And no your belongings and those of your children don't matter, they'll be replaced. You or your children never will be.
Love
- an escapee
Glad you made it out ❤
Also an escapee (kidnapping, felonious restraint, domestic violence, ect charges)... It isn't always that easy, but that is great advice. But sometimes, it feels impossible to get out. ❤ Don't feel bad if it's hard to get away, keep trying. Don't give up.
A grateful escapee
EXACTLY! ❤️
Escapee here ❤
Moms and Dads that are entering a new relationship and you find out your S/O has a double life DO NOT confront them until YOU and KIDS are safe. We live in a world where you cant underestimate someone
Underestimate?!?!........that's no different than giving someone "a chance". If you have a bad feeling about someone, you should sense it way before you get into any kind of serious relationship. There's either real interest or no interest at all.
It sounds so simple when you’re just in the comment section Foh
@junglekutz5625 yeah...I did that!! Waited for 4 years before I even introduced him to my children! He went from Love of my life to a Total Narcissistic Freak!!!! .....Bye!!!
@@PaganPunk lol exactly it’s no way of predicting things sometimes it just takes the experience
Stfu Im a parent and im just giving advice because some moms/dads are naive and are so focus on finding a partner they over look the red flag. the worst thing you could do is confront a person you just found out might be dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!! @@budgonstopCANELO
Reporter: We found out from the sheriff that you were a male escort lol 😂.
lMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Note to self: If someone is chasing you around the streets, don’t get out and confront them. Drive to the nearest police station. And if you clearly have a cell phone on you, call the cops! 🤦🏻♀️
And another note to self: If the sheriff’s department shows up at your door with a search warrant, book right away the next possible flight to Belize 🇧🇿 😊
She never goes more than a day without talking to her daughter yet doesn’t report it to cops or go to her house for 2 months. Wow.
I know.... like did you really talk that much or were you just not concerned
I found that bizarre too
Yea that was strange
Sometimes I avoid the bigger picture simply because I don’t want to face it or believe it, & aside from that, my panic attacks are pretty bad. This mom probably was too terrified to find out the truth, & accept the reality. 😢 Everyone is different, it doesn’t mean she didn’t care.
That got me too! Even if her family let a week pass, they still could have reported them missing or asked for a welfare check. But 2 months of doing nothing!?
I can’t wrap my head around waiting two months to report your daughter missing.
I MIGHT get 12-24 hours before my parents and brothers start asking questions.
Same goes for her “friend”. She told her everything yet her friend didn’t go looking for her same as her mother, who more or less told Susan to talk to Jerry about it. She should have had her come to her house to be safe. So sad no one would put themselves out there to protect Susan and her son.
I’m sure her mom has regrets but all we can do is stay vigilant and listen to our spirit if we ever get a feeling that something is WRONG in our life!
Two months when they know all that shady stuff is going on is crazy.
Honestly! I have 3 adult kids & 24 hours no response to a text I'll call, no answer or call back in 2 hours I call their spouse.
Honestly! I have 3 adult kids & 24 hours no response to a text I'll call, no answer or call back in 2 hours I call their spouse.
The fact that he was still cleaning after 2 months just goes to show they gave him plenty of time to get away with murder. Even neighbours didnt care to contact police ? This is shocking
He wouldn't be cleaning anything if my daughter was missing under these circumstances.....period.
Neighbors? How,Would neighbour's know?
Nowadays so many people have no clue what is going on with their neighbors. They are too busy with their own lives
@@lydiakapten Didn't you watch it? It says that he burned stuff for days and that the smoke reached 4-5 houses down. Def should have raised suspicions to the neighbors, had they cared.
@@captainsoi I did not know that fact. Thanks for enlightening me. But, would the cops have arrested him for burning stuff to change the outcome?
Im not gonna lie, I’m furious at the mom’s actions. First she gives her daughter the worse advice ever and tells her to ask her prostituting husband about his secret life. And then she waits two months before reporting her missing. I’m sorry but what in the actual F was she thinking!?
I agree, but I wonder if it isn't because the mother (as well as the brother), weren't tired of running to Susan's rescue every time and they were hoping for the best in this marriage. Her brother already said he had to 'rescue' her after her first marriage when she had no money (likely she didn't have a job, like with her second marriage to the male prostitute) and they cut off her water, so he went and got her and her furniture, letting her move in with him. I suspect Susan had done this to her mother also. They had their fingers crossed hoping things would work out for her.
It seems like there is dysfunctional relating, and beliefs of the family.
The mother even had a distorted belief that her daughter’s husband cared about her daughter because he wanted her to wear nice things. We have to question false narratives if we are ever going to see reality for what it is
Bad Mom.
Waiting yeah, she should have spilled it immediately but asking him and trying to see if it was worth working it out? They've known each other for a long time, there must have been trust
Her mother failed her, so many people failed her.
When someone is driving like a psycho following you, you drive straight to the police station.
Unless you have a trap waiting....
@@FM-jo1jhlol a trap for what? Warrants? We don’t follow people in unmarked vehicles in the hopes that they’ll go to a precinct for a “trap.” If I have sufficient probable cause to stop you, you’re getting stopped by a marked unit. If I’m in an unmarked unit and have probable cause to stop you (I.e., high-risk warrant apprehension), I’m getting a marked unit to initiate it. Your comment is the most paranoid sounding thing, it’s ridiculous
I think Mr. Vesper should have had his door locked.
I don't understand how the murderer was able to stab him inside the car.
People should always have their doors locked in their cars.
If you can find it in such a state of flight.....
@@reneecarter6702 I think he was saying you dont go to the precinct if you have some trap set up for the guy following you. But, who has a trap set up 24-7 ready to turn the tables on someone following you? Nobody.
I became a single mom when my daughter was 4. I made the choice then and there not to bring anyone into our lives until she leaves home. It was a personal choice among others to make sure we're safe. It's a scary world out there, the least I can do is choose to make my daughter's peace priority. That poor Mom
I waited until daughter was an adult and not in my home. My Sons were 6’3” (14) and 6’6” (17)when I started dating. No staying in my house. I’m now 68 and engaged to the love of my life (finally 🙄).
@lindab.716 This gives me hope! Congratulations on your engagement!!
As a woman I totally get what you are saying God send you a good Godly person one day.
@lindab.716 I pray it doesn't take that long for me cuz I'm tired of being alone 🥹
My mom chose to do the same. There are three of us.
60 days to report your daughter missing? 😢
I don't connect with my daughter every day but her four sons very much do. I talk to her pretty much every two days or so. Two months is inconceivable!
I was divorced after 26 years of marriage. My ex and I share grandchildren and have no problem being around each other. Every time I read about or hear stories like this I am so thankful.
You are incredibly lucky. Makes me happy to know that there are some good men out there. It feels weird to me though. Every man in my life was insane. My husband included. I have a restraining order against him. We have a four yo together. It's just heartbreaking. He's a mess. Not a nice man either. I'm glad you guys have a good relationship. 😊
THE MOTHER IS A TOTAL MOUSEBURGER!
Jesus, read the room lady.
After 26 years?
@Kd & @jessewade4557 That's why u r both divorced - so darn gullible. Why wld u call him good? 😂 Ex-wife he hates your guts. Just playing along so he can circle back to.kake u his "hospice nurse". Dont u see these testimonials. They look stupid & desperate. It"s why he left. If he "got caught" - he wanted it to get the he11 away from you. Gave u a reaso to allow him to move on without you. Pray & get ovr him, or stay sick
Never, ever, ever confront. Just quietly, and methodically, plan your escape, and leave when they are away from the home.
If only this woman had a functioning brain she and her son may be a live now.
Thats how i did.i gave space the Sekret affair grows. Made my passport.pretended everything is fine.took the Signatures to travel abroad with Our daughter.have arranged to expand the house.left the abusive marriage and never returned. Thats 35 years ago
Maybe she did he caught her
My sentiments exactly, move in silence, tell no one plan for a quiet escape.
This mom really WROTE A LETTER and waited for a "return to sender" before she called the police?! Unbelievable. 🤦🏻♀️
This mom clearly understood the volatility of her daughter’s relationship. She knew if she called the cops and her daughter wasn’t missing, that her husband would never let her daughter or grandson talk to her again. She’s a victim in this, not a cause
Stop judging. We don’t know their dynamics. She explained why she did what she did. May they find out what happened and bring any wrongdoer to justice!
Well she did say that she waited because she didn't want to call the cops and the cops show up at her residence and piss her daughter off. It's obvious that the mothers concern isn't welcome. So that's why she didn't take that iniative.
@@b_sus87You don't know that. She didn't say anything like that. She said he daughter would have been mad that she acted on her worries.
@ProfAida74 don't be bossy.
I always say don't have children unless you plan to stay to raise them until adulthood. Stepparents aren't always nice. Nothing beats being a single parent to keep your children safe.
Yup. Kids need at least one very stable parent and you can’t give the m the attention they need if you are dating. Also unfortunately some men date women so they can abuse the kids. Don’t date until your kids show you they are old enough to not want to spend all their free time with you.
My daughter doesn't answer the phone for no more than 24 hours im calling her brothers to cruise over to her place, neighbors to knock, and 911 to do a wellness check... Im on my way.
If a neighbor is burning anything in the backyard with that level of smoke, wouldn’t you report that to the police?
Nope. I would mind my own business. Mind your own you'll live long, that's my motto.
Crazy but in wv you can't burn nothing but wood, paper, or anything made made we live out in the woods, have neighbors and they do call if they smell anything but wood , so this is crazy that no one called about this ?
@@rachelsill79I totally agree with u and plastics I thought were not allowed to be burnt, if toxic smells are being burnt off 😮 its dangerous to. People and could cause a fire spreading 😮fires always need to be reported
@rachelsill79 It's freaking toxic and it's polluting the air. It's ILLEGAL to burn that stuff in your yard for a reason.
@@Renee-wy1poit's called air pollution. It's called you're not the only ones with a right to breathe.
Women and men, please pay extra attention to this and never, EVER tell your partner what you have learned about them that seems suspicious. If your significant other starts becoming extremely controlling and limiting your every move, listening in on your phone conversations or restricting you from seeing your friends, realize this is not love. There is something wrong with them that you cannot help. Too many people, especially women, are still missing or known dead after they discovered things about their SO and confronted them. Please do not confront them with what you know, JUST GET OUT IMMEDIATELY and don't look back. Your things and money are not worth your lives.
I agree! Don’t let on that you know! The best way to escape is act like everything is fine, then wait for an opportunity to get away. When the mother told her to talk to him I couldn’t believe it! I would have said to get the heck out of there and have them move into her house!
Social worker here - this is 100% the right advice. Get help and support from your family, your friends or the social services if you need it - but GET OUT IMMEDIATELY. Especially if you have children. Don't put them at risk, and don't put yourself at risk - they need their mum.
Do the Katie Holmes treatment. Have your escape plan in place and "go on vacation."
She acted on the advice of others : confront him....
Never know who you're sleeping next to as it is, although most of us have a fair idea and so we are good. However, red flags should never be ignored or accepted. We cannot change who people are no matter their connection to us. If someone shows you who they are, believe them ...period.
The mom dropped the ball twice. First time when the daughter asked for advice after finding out he was a male escort, mom's advice, you need to ask him why. Not a smart idea at all. Second time waiting two months to report her daughter and grandson missing.
Right...
I find him guilty of the worst Skyrim tattoo ever. Yikes.
And a bow on his butt
Your honor I purpose the consequences for his crimes against aesthtics be as follows: 10 years bad haircut and he is only allowed to wear neck ties for the duration of his natural life
It always bewilders me how suspects think they are smart but do the most cliche B.S. ever. Divorce seems so preferable to life in prison, I just will never understand how/why people can be this vile!
If that can teach us a lesson: NEVER be arrogant and think you are smarter than anyone else.
because it's not about smarts, it's all about rejection & impulse and what happens is a direct lack of impulse control. only after the finality of their actions hits them do they now express regret.
Money
Homicidal spouse: *Thinking reassuringly to themselves* “Ordinary people get killed by random whack jobs for little to no reason all the time.” (Why on Earth would anyone suspect me).
* Whack job
* killed ordinary people
* for little to no reason
Turns out the urban camouflage they were counting on wasn’t sophisticated enough to offset their ineptitude.
It has to do with arrogance. They believe that they will succeed where most others have failed because they believe themselves to be so much smarter than everyone else, including law enforcement.
To all single parents: you are THE line of defence for your children and strangers are a possible threat to them, especially when you have feelings for them.
Being alone is hard, but take your time, especially with marriage. Loneliness unfortunately attracts very, very harmful people. 😢
So true, be happy with yourself, and keep your children safe!
My children were never going to have a step father - I had one & he was a hideous human being that my mother couldn't leave.
I'd rather be alone than run the risk of falling into any kind of abusive cycle as that's all I've known.
Great advice for single Moms. I am worried if I pass early my wife will make this mistake. She is so trusting and would be vulnerable. Thank God my sons are old enough to protect her from any scum.
AMEN
It's not 'loneliness' that attracts harmful people. It's VULNERABILITY that attracts harmful people.
Loneliness can cause people to have poor judgment, and make poor decisions. Thats definitely true. But it's vulnerability that attracts the predators in the first place. It's vulnerability that the predators look for, and what draws them in.
Even in the wild this is true. An Alaskan Grizzly bear stalking a large herd of caribou isn't going after the biggest strongest bull it can find. It's going after the weakest and slowest in the herd..like one of the calves that can't keep up and falls behind..the most vulnerable.
People aren't all that different from animals. And when you watch enough of these true crime videos, you start to realize just how true that is. Humans are the most dangerous, and cruelest, animal in this world.
Be safe out there everyone 🙏
it is so dumb that all these programmes like crimewatch approach a suspect or knock on their door expecting answers. Would anyone in their right mind guilty or innocent answer them? What is the point of this theatre?
The point is, they are letting these creeps know that they and the majority of the public knows that everything is pointing their way. We don't want them sleeping to sound now do we. Thank you Crime Watch Daily :).
It's more of a psychological thing and to see their reaction. If I'm innocent then I'm not gonna have a problem speaking to a TV show.
Exactly that! ….. just theatre
😂😂😂 “theater”
It's for show
If the first guy hadn't cleaned and remodeled his house it would be much more believable that she took the son and left, but them not getting in touch with family and friends pretty much proves they were murdered.
Dont you say😊
Literally how did he burn all those fires without neighbors reporting him??
I wondered that too. Plus, there have been so many "burn bans".
When you're rural, your neighbors are far away.
@@MaxrepfitgmOnly the neighbours LITERALLY said they saw him burning numerous fires and that the smoke was thick and smelt of plastic. 🤦 He was rural, but not THAT rural.
@@robynandrews4384 Oh, well, I stand corrected.
@@robynandrews4384 I hope he didn't burn the mom and son.
My ex husband told me, "if you kill someone, and never tell anyone, nobody will never know." I took his threat serious.
when
mmmmmm no if you kill a stranger, with no links or ties to that person, THEN never tell someone, you may get away with it...thing is, someone always knows.
@@oo7tease mmmmmmm
After divorce, I knew I didn't want another man to correct or have ANY authority over my children. So glad I did!! They're grown and I still don't want another man. People are crazy and often have secret lives and if confronted about it, can be dangerous. NEVER confront a spouse with anything you know they will be threatened by. Get out quietly.
Wait a minute... what about sexy time?
You're sus 😂
you live in fear, what's the point of living?
You don't wait 2 months before you report your daughter and grandson missing, especially when it is completely out of character for them not to reply to your texts, phone calls etc.
My money is on the Grandmother.
but police gaslight you and discourage your worry and its hard to be a caring person, and report, the authorites are lazy
it's cultural. White mom's are more inclined to be sensitive to their daughters being upset with them. I know the mother's in my family don't necessarily care about being best friends with their children. It is the mother to be respected because they brought you into this world. So the daughters would just have to be upset but eventually they'd get over it if the concerned action was done out of love.
Sorry to disagree, but it isn’t cultural at all, unless you mean individual family culture. White people are no different to any others re love for their children and fear for their wellbeing. However, other non-racial points come into play… intelligence, sense of denial, how well they get on together and how often they normally talk or reply to texts etc. individual family culture, unlike racial stereotypes, are not predictable.
@@supertenor561, That is a Racist statement
Waited 2 months to report her missing? He got rid of everything!
She waited way too long and gave him all the time he needed to get rid of the evidence! I hope they get him one way or another!
So heartbroken for Jason’s family. I hope they get the justice they deserve
Damn, man. That poor woman. You can tell she doesn't even want to hate anyone, she just doesn't have anything left. She literally lost her entire family! That's sooo f*cked up! Soo sad! Prayers to her for sure.
When the man claims that a woman left EVERYTHING behind and left with another man it rarely turns out that way. The other line is she took x amount of his cash and left. Never ends well.
😍
Yes, and then supposedly came back later for furniture...but then he burnt the furniture...
So Jerry got away with murdering his wife and stepchild??? There still missing, this is extremely frustrating when someone gets away with murder!
Seems like many people dropped the ball on this one
It has to be proven! This is how innocent people get put in jail by DA's and communities working on feelings and not facts that PROVE a person committed a crime!
I just saw this happened in 2017 and they're still missing. He probably k1lled them and got away with it. It's so sad.
The grandmother took 2 months before she did anything. I can maybe understand maybe 2-3 weeks but 2 months with no contact? Thats more than enough time for her son in law to get rid of any evidence. @@moonbeeps
Why her mother waited 2 whole months before contacting authorities is mind boggling!!!!!
What kind of mother waits two months to take action regarding the disappearance of her daughter and grandson? This is just absurd
Doesn’t seem like they cared very much!
Buying her clothes so she would dress like he wanted, very “ protective” translates to controlling. Encouraged her to quit her job not so she could be full time mom but so he could have complete control over her. All warning signs of at least narcissistic personality disorder at worst NPD with psychopathy.
Thought the same thing. The way the narrator presented these facts was like it was a positive. First thing I thought of was abuse and manipulation.
Excellent insight about him being a control freak, power-monger.
I agree
My friend's husband kept pushing her to add more houses to clean. He LOVED picking out her clothes, didn't want her to be involved in church, discouraged her reading the Bible, etc. He was into pornography and her oldest son (his stepson) discovered photos of him cross dressing. Now we know why he wanted her to work more, to buy the sicko more pretty clothes😏 She filed for divorce, and is now happily remarried.
You are all becoming armchair psychiatrists and detectives because of too much binge watching true crimes. 🤦♀
Umm Holly, wtf? Her 'best friend' tells her everything scandalous about her husband, says he can't find out she knows, then goes completely missing, as well as her son, and she says nothing? Not cool.
Nobody in her inner circle thought of reporting her missing within the first week of no calls, texts, emails, etc ??
@@Mikael20245very strange behaviour. And now lot of tears
Probably busy after her move.
Yeah. This case was in 2017, this sick now is remarried and sold the house.
I believe that if they would’ve done a welfare check after 24 hours of no communication, it could’ve helped. Think about it, this guy was cleaning 2 months later, imagine how much evidence was there 2 months prior. If I was the mom or “friend”, I would be filled with regret, I wouldn’t be able to get a full nights rest knowing I possibly dropped the ball. Most likely she was dead within the first 24 hours, but, they could’ve proved his guilt with the evidence that was there early on.
Sorry to say but I think there might be more to this story than he told you.
Story #2
My heartfelt condolences to the entire family on this tragedy. May God comfort you everyday with the beautiful memories that you had with your loved one.
It’s crazy that family & friends waited so long to call the police! 60 days is just insane. If my son didn’t respond within a couple days I’d be notifying the police.
The fact that this man is still living his life with a brand new family is crazy. This man was taking it the @ss and couldnt deal with anyone knowing and killed these poor people. Her mom took forever to report this and sorry to say but 2 months is too long to not hear from your daughter after never going long without speaking. He had too much time to get rid of evidence.
He was either taking it or giving it. Male escorts are usually very well equipped.
I don’t care what someone does, you don’t ever, EVER “out” someone. PERIOD! Regardless of what they’ve done. It’s a NEVER NEVER! Nothing good will EVER come from that!
@@mj6962right, you just leave
Just leaving is not always just that simple.
But, it beats leaving in a hearst.m
@@mj6962 very weird takeaway to have after watching this video tbh. you make it sound like she deserved it
Why did it take 2 months for anyone to contact the police? Or even visit? This is so heartbreaking
Edit: I see some of you are saying it is normal for victims of abuse to isolate themselves but for no one to hear from them for 2 months? I get that they may not pick up the phone but the mother and the the best friend should of turned up at the house to check on what the hell is going on. 2 months is wild.
He would not have time to remodel or clean. They were unfortunately killed right away. Her family should have called the police earlier but I feel they were already killed. He knew how to do it. It's so sad. It seemed like they knew something had happened but they didn't want to get involved. Folks get involved.
@@shirl3942yet, he was still cleaning.
That's what I am thinking too.
Really bizarre. I talk to my adult son every day if only for a minute or two. There is no way I would wait even a few days without calling the police if I couldn’t reach him.
@@mandykay8629yep if I didn’t hear back from my daughter in 24hrs & no one had seen or heard from her , I would be beside myself.
2 weeks is a long time let alone 2 months.
So much evidence lost 😢
So whatever happened to the blood testing? Why is he a free man still and why haven’t this mother and child gotten justice?!?!!!!!! It infuriates me for this family.
"You see faces but who knows what their hearts are really like" Mexican proverb
caras vemos corazones no sabemos thats how the saying goes; my mom and grandma used to say it all the time and sometimes those saying can make sense when translated back to english and sometimes the opposite can happen rendering a rambling nonsensical interpretation of whatever the original meaning was; like that one por si las moscas; in english is something like; for if the flies or also in case of the flies which absolutely makes no sense when applied in the same context the Spanish part in applied and used instead; there no way you can fit that translation in any given conversation and people can understand the proverb and understand the example; one that is always understood in both languages is the “not all that glitters is always gold” no todo lo que brilla es siempre oro; their so much fun to listen to all of the proverbs and how they came up with them
Susan and her son showed signs of needing help, before they went missing. It’s too bad those opportunities were missed by friends, family, and neighbors. Hindsight is 20/20.
She also ignored the signs herself. There's only so much influence friends and family can have.
Ignored not missed.
Too bad she didn't have the courage to just walk away with her son at the very beginning. Instead she tried to slowly figure a way out.
@@Swampzoid She overvalued the financial security he gave her.
You are right. Hindsight may be 20/20. But we need to continue educating women to prevent tragedies like this.
Man I can’t imagine the guilt that mother feels for not notifying police sooner, so sad 😢
Such a weirdo. She waited 2 months. Weird also wrote a letter? Odd
@@yogaqueen1527 yeah, definitely strange. A great reminder to always keep in touch with your loved ones!
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Would it have made a difference?
Can they check when was the last time her cell phone pinged and where.If her cell phone was last pinged at her house that means she never left and he killed her and her son.
From my own experience, the first person I dated after my husband showed me that I was very much out of touch and missed many warning signs because we want so much to be wanted and loved by another man. We are missing that companionship.
The mother and her friend could have helped the investigation incredibly if they had reported her missing after a day or two. Unbelievable.
If you are being chased, or in a road rage incident, do not stop. Not even of you're armed. Head to the nearest police station. That usually forces the maniac to calm down.
Great advice
Yeah. I never get why folks just try to go home. Head to the police station or a hospital.
I’ve always said that if I was being followed and/ or some random person trying to get me to pull over, I’d pull up to the police station.
And call ahead, so they're armed and ready.
@@OriginalGlorfindela lady was on the phone to 911 when she pulled into the closest firehouse. He executed her in front of the kids and firefighters. She'd tried so hard to keep her kids safe, such a tragedy. If she'd been listened to and had the cops responded immediately, she may have been saved. Dawson county Georgia
Holy heck-Susan & son disappeared in 2017 and NO ONE has been charged!! Their bodies haven’t been found! Does anybody know who the little girl is in photos?
That's Susan's daughter from a different father who had custody of her.
He was very protective, the mother in law said! For me that's an enormous red flag.
That wicked man was so controlling because he was scared he was going to get found out. God knows the truth and may justice be served. My prayers going out to those effected by this monster.
Both the best friend and mother knew about the escorting and possessiveness yet still waiting 2 MONTHS to report her and her son as missing?? 😮
Sorry to say but what is the point of friends abd family if in these situations they don't step up
People give too much grace. Try to give the benefit of the doubt etc.
That's what got Chris Watts...her friend reported her missing within hours....got him.
I really don't understand why it took her family 60 days to report her missing to the police...
Good thing is you don't have to understand.. u don't know the family dynamics
Her mother explained that!
@@UsernameUnkwn21they asked that in a rhetorical manner but there’s always the snarks compelled to “school” everyone in a response. Btw, we don’t know the family dynamics but we’re allowed to ponder such things.
Probably some history between mother and daughter about prying.
@@scrappedlivesWhile it's understandable to avoid jumping to conclusions after a few days, 2 months is a very different story.
I lived in Scottsbluff NE since about 2000 and I remember this. Also right before I moved there a little boy named Adam Gomez was brutally murdered there. There are some real sick monsters out there
At least 2 major problems with the first story:
1. If you finally decide you must escape an abusive situation, you tend to seek assistance from law enforcement, or alternatively, a trusted friend (or new partner). If the accused is to be believed regarding the man picking up the wife and step-son, it is very unlikely that would have happened while the abusive husband was around. The vague description of the man and vehicle is very problematic.
2. Even more problematic is the lack of photographic evidence of the supposed obscenities spray-painted all over the walls inside the house. You don't just remodel an entire (nearly brand new) house at great expense just because a couple of walls need graffiti covered. You definitely want a photographic record of the graffiti to be able to counter anyone's accusation you were abusive. Instead, this graffiti excuse was likely an afterthought cover-up fabrication just like all the other excuses. His attorney sounds like a real slime ball.
ONE QUESTION: Why in the world would a mom wait 60 Days to report them missing!? Horrible.
Right I get scared not talking or getting a text back in a few hours from my daughters I have 3 adult daughters and I'm already thinking the worst until I hear from them or I go over to where they r living but 2 months not hearing from them that's insane
He was controlling....he had her quit her job to stay home. I'm sure he created a rift between her and her mother.
@@mistyjudge-cardwell9147Same with me and my kids. If I send them a text and don’t hear back after a couple of hours I start to panic and think the worst. The relief when you do get a reply is great. 60 days - no way. I would travel to where my kids live and knock on the door within a couple of days, especially if they didn’t answer their phone or I had sent several texts.
allegedly her mum said that her daughter was a private person, and did not want to upset her
Stop victim blaming.
She finds out her new husband is a prostitute, and stays? Take your child, pack your bag (when he's gone first thing in morning to work or whenever he leaves) and GO!!!! Don't hesitate, never hesitate especially for answers because there are no acceptable answers to this type of deception!! JUST GET OUT!
Much easier said than done.. Now, if a woman has help and enough money she can grab then by all means, LEAVE. Reality dictates how easy or hard it can be to "just leave"..
@@michaeltroy7777 she has family, and friends who I am sure would have taken them in. No doubt. Everything else can be sorted, because a deception that deep (her husband being a prostitute) is a danger to her health alone! Unfortunately, she waited and kept herself and son in mortal danger.
She stayed for son's health ins. Sadly he doesnt need it anymore. Whenever u leave a control freak u have to be so sneaky & need help from dv centers.
@@lour9348 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@michaeltroy7777Very true. Many times women stay because of complete fear and or they have absolutely no support or family. It is nit always black and white. Every situation is different from the next. I hate when ppl think they know the right answer when they are not the one going through it.
So a wife & son disappears, leaves her car, makes no contact with anyone & the husband strip's the house & destroys everything. That's enough circumstantial evidence to charge him with her disappearance
Correct, not enough hard evidence
Exactly and you have some weirdos saying he didn’t do anything she left like what ?
"I'm just a gigolo and everywhere I go, people know the part I'm playin......."
Waited two months with zero returned texts, calls, or letters. Mother of the year right here.
Wait, the family didn't call sheriff's dept until 2 months after they couldnt contact her and her grandson? Two months? That is really scary in itself.
Wait, the guy murdered her? What???
Why..Tons of families only text or talk every few months
The guy probably murdered her daughter and grandson and you think the grieving mother's behavior is scary but not the guy who killed them is?
If you have been with a controlling partner you know that they isolate you from your family. The parent is told to keep a distance and to not disturb. As a parent, if you don't know abuse is going on you respect your child's wishes and keep low or no contact if they don't contact you first. So stop the victim blaming!
It wasn't in her wildest fantasies that he could ever kill them because she doesn't think like a madman.
The mother is devastated. Where is your empathy? So stop judging!!!
Oh sure... Cops wanna cover their own if they murdered their family.... You need psychological help
@@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirlIt's a valid point. They spoke every day on the phone, so he wasn't controlling that part of the relationship. The wife knew about his secrets, yet she chose to stay. It's sad all around.
The fact that she stayed with him knowing what he was doin is insane. She should've took her Son and left. U have to put ur kids before youself and before a man. Kids cant protect themselves, its our job as parents to protect our kids and give them the best possible life we can. With that being said, Neither of them deserved what happened to them. He could've simply left, there was no reason for him to do what he did. Hes pure evil
He didn't do anything. Its been six years and he has a new woman and in a new house. The blood did not come back as theirs. She took her son and left. The mother know where her daughter is. Its why she took 2 months of no so called communication with her daughter before contacting the police. The friend with all the emails also didn't tell police until 2 month later. The mother and best friend know exactly where they are.
@@shaunpcdwell if what you say is true than why has no one seen them, why has neither of their social security numbers been used, bank accounts, school records? There’s not a trace of them nor has their family or best friend heard from either of them. Nice try though, new girlfriend in the new house. What’s done in the dark, always comes to the light. One day, as with all these other missing wives & children, the perpetrators are caught & do soend the rest of their lives in prison. With all the evidence and cell phone tracking data, it’s only a matter of time, guaranteed! The mother & the best friend, right on this program, say differently than what you’re saying in your comment. This man did something to her & it will come out. He sure does like to clean a lot, hmmm. Neighbors have CCTV footage of the time and they didn’t leave on their own, in their car, not on foot, not by another vehicle. Tell us new woman, why he burnt new furniture, redid the house when she “went with another man who picked her up”. Matter of time…watch and see. Neighbors have videos, ring cameras, where he absolutely removed floors, burnt them in the backyard, they have footage of this. Bottom line, his atty says this is definitely odd & that she’s never been gone for this long. He’s been given more than an opportunity of innocent until proven guilty. There’s not one shred of evidence to show that she spray painted anything on the walls as he claims. When “parents” want to repaint walls, that doesn’t include ripping up entire floors, “sub floors”, and then be scrubbing concrete. It’s only a matter of time, she very well may be buried right under those new floors, as many other husbands have done in the past.
@@dudemorris7769
totally agree!
@@shaunpcdsuch a liar
@@dudemorris7769 exactly‼️🎯👏🏼💯
When do we get an update?
I love this cast; thanks for posting!
Ladies, never put a stranger/boyfriend in the same home as your innocent precious children. Stay single!! He was possessive over her phone because he was doing all these nasty things in secret!
I did once after divorce, not smart. Kicked his ass out after creepy garbage and have stayed single since. Best decision I made for both my children's safety and my sanity. The risk of serious harm by having a non biological father in the home is through the roof.
women cant help themselves , preaching to a dead choir
in other words they like the bad boy
@@tantalize5795 Some of them are and it seems to bother you? Feeling inadequate or something? Talk to a therapist, RUclips ain't gonna help you.
I really believe after something that traumatic like a divorce, it’s best for both parties to get therapy. It’s better for the kids and the parties involved. Then after that is at least resolved to a decent co parent situation, then go out and meet someone else if you want.
1) Call 911 for rescue assistance
2) Drive to the police station
3) Drive to hospital
4) Drive to fire station
CHOOSE WHICHEVER IS CLOSER
I know from personal experience it is hard to think clearly BUT this is why you prepare your mind NOW with what to do when faced with danger.
Tell yourself NOW to:
Not stop your car
Do call 911 rescue
If that's not possible;
Drive to police or fire station or hospital - whatever is closest
If Wounded Don't Drive Home
Drive to hospital, police or fire station, whichever is closest
YOUR GOAL IS TO SURVIVE BY GETTING WITH ANY RESCUE WORKERS
May God Help Us All 🥺
As the former spouse of a firefighter/EMT, you shouldn’t drive if you have life threatening injuries because you could pass out while driving and not only kill yourself, but others. Best to call 911 who can administer life saving help faster than you can drive somewhere.
@tlkey they're talking about calling 911 before the incident happens.
Make the reward $250,000 and the snitch will surely lead you to the perp .. then indict both of them .. charge the snitch for withholding prudent evidence in a criminal investigation and the other for the murder .. then keep the money
Tadam 🎉
That's to easy. Makes no sense why cases like this have no investigation go further.
How does it take "a few more months" for police to get results from the lab on the blood tests?
DNA takes forever. It's not like on tv
I’m divorced and when i hear about these horrible things I’m glad to be alone. I’m completely ok with being single.
Same
There are good people out there. I've been with the same guy for over 10 years, and I've known him for 17. Couldn't be without him. But if you're happy that's the most important thing :) be well
I think the very same thing.
I totally agree 💯🎉
DIY alone..
I’ll never understand why someone would rather kill than just get a divorce!!!
LOL what makes you think humans are rational. They're not. One of the best things you can realize in life is that humans are NOT rational. So many things will start to make sense now.
Who said he killed them? Where is the proof!
ARE YOU NAIVE? MONEY!
If just divorce didnt take half the fortune of the person... It's greed in the end what pushes for murder. In other countries you dont get half of the money, you can split things up pre-wedding.
If you find out stuff like this LEAVE!!!!!
JERRY IS GUILTY!!!!! So frustrating to watch knowing that he hasn't been charged.
This is why woman should always save emergency money themselves.
If I found out my husband was doing shady shit behind my back I would wait to say anything and just make arrangements and leave. And then tell him. I know you want to confront them as a basic instinct… but if they are unstable you never know what they are capable of.
Exactly even if you had to go like she said and get dropped off and call the cops to make sure you could either leave or they would stand by so you could grab your stuff.
@stormysocks
Yes it’s easy for us in the comments to say and I can’t imagine the fear but there are services and police out there to help in these cases!! NEVER DO IT ALONE RIP X
More has to be done though other than restraining orders which aren’t for for purpose
People go off emotions to easily.. They want an explanation instead of just leaving.
What actually creeps me out is the escalation into murder because there never were consequences for all the lies they told before, or the lies by the people who raised them that taught them deception never has serious consequences.
Best example: his parents claiming that she sprayed vulgar graffitis before leaving. They bred this killer since childhood.
Then in court the moms swear their killer sons r good etc even after killing many ppl. Denial with no consequences. Parenting is the hardest job in the world but geez.😡🙄
Yes so true. @@spicyirwin5835
Anytime a person gets away with running circles around someone, they will do anything they please......murder as well. Whether or not his parents taught him to be deceptive, is his business and his choice. She should have never tolerated all that weirdness that had her talking on speaker or making sure that her friend only communicates via email. That's some shit that should repulse you. Not the fact that he lived a double life. Cause she would have already been turned off and moved on. Uncovering his secrets should have not been a goal. Her son and her protection should have been her only focus.
True enough. Every case needs to be looked at individually. Even if one has a good childhood and caring parents doesn`t mean a person will live a life without crime, it`s not that simple. @Azhairmaven77
I have an ex boyfriend whose mom literally taught him that you’ve only done wrong if you get caught. I should’ve ran right then.
He could have just been honest and kept his private life private.
And now we ALL know his secret.
One thing that really sticks in my mind is that Evan, her son, may have been clueless as to what was going on and was completely bewildered when he was attacked. He is the one that I feel the most sorrow for. I will not sleep well tonight after watching this.
I miss true crime daily. Show was done so well. Great journalist.
Yes!
I Used to watch it EVERY evening while preparing dinner…
@@hannibal-elmrs.6275dont they show this program anymore😮?
Chris Hansen especially
does it not come on anymore or something? I only watch it on here
@@msariel23 yeah it used to come on everyday on my tv on channel 45. But it’s been off for about 3 years.
I love the word "Extracurricular activities."
Well, you would be surprised at how many MARRIED men have "extracurricular" activities! The ring makes no difference to me anymore - because almost all of them have one on. I feel sorry for them that they feel they have to be trapped in a tired, meaningless marriage to prove things to others and not consider their own happiness.
@@bostonteaparty3926I LIVE IN APACHE JUNCTION AZ. TONS OF MARRIED MEN CHEATING ON WIVES WITH OTHER MEN IN THEVTOWNS PORN THEATER! MANY ARE MAGA VOTERS. SHOCKED ME TO SEE ALL THESE MEN BANGING OTHER MEN AND LOSE WOMEN INSIDE THE THEATER!
I'm a friend of Jason's wife's family. Josh and his girlfriend were at my house the night this happened. There are several major theories that are whispered about why this happened. Whatever the reason, it's heartbreaking and senseless and cruel.
....and, any hints?
My rule of thumb is if my loved ones don't answer in an hours time wellness checks are coming and they all agree to this process we all have to protect each other. As for someone who looks at your txt's and monitors every move you make...RUN
Guilty- the cough at the door proves it. We don't need a trial.😅
All killers use the same excuse that she left or he woke up and she was gone.
"she left with another man"
I don't know where she is. She left and never came back. They're so dumb😢
Well it obviously been working soo......🤷
Yup… Chris watts prime example!
I live in the area of that first story but never heard about it. Thanks for sharing
This guy is the best at confronting shady people who are trying to hide from reporters.
The mother, Linda, is a real piece of work.
but hey, look how impressed she was that he wanted her daughter to look nice, so he so generously bought her dresses. That’s a big plus in her book. Mom only wanted to see $$ provider/protector not controlling/possessive husband.
@TildaTsunagari perhaps she was old school and not aware of abuse.
This first case really needs to be solved, and an arrest made. I saw this when it first came out in 2017, and It's still quite obvious who the killer is. Step it up, detectives.
Im surprised they haven't really made any efforts to search.
People capable of living a double life are terrifying!
id your daughter calls you and tells you that she thinks her Husband is gay, WHY as a Mother would you wait 2 months after not hearing from your daughter OR grandson to tell Police she is missing? WHY ???
If my daughter & grandson were missing....I would be at her front door confronting the husband, demanding answers, then I would be back with the police, for those answers! Waiting 2 months before this mother called police is insane! That should never have happened, they should have been called the moment she went missing, sadly, she was already dead by that point. May they both be Resting In Peace.
Hindsight is a great thing😮
That guy is dangerous. I would just go to the police and let them handle it. I’m not going to confront him and go missing myself.
The saying “It’s too good to be true.” is always correct.
His wife called her boyfriend, crying for sympathy, telling him her husband was mean to her and the boyfriend went looking so he could show her how much he loved her and could be together now. Why else would some man be so angry at him?
Hence why I am single.
It boggles my mind how the reporters show up uninvited and expect the suspects to say “Oh YES. I DID IT!!!! I AM GUILTY !!!”
🤦🏾♀️
So, they should be “invited” to express their sorrow? 🙄
IKR, lol. But come to think of it, to reporters, it shouldn't matter that suspects won't admit to a crime -any behavioural response such as silence, running, anger, over-explaining etc is a telling response in itself, sufficient for their story telling role, and enough to garner public opinion, unlike law enforcers seeking legal recourse.
I've seen some respond. The video of them running in court later when on trial looks crazy though😂. Cause Im not running.
It's not done for that reason. What they are really looking at is the behavior or any slip ups once they ask those hard-hitting questions. People have been caught in lies thanks to these interviews.
I love seeing it and to hear them ask bold questions
Oh how iffy for mother and son. Ladies you cant control these weirdos. Keep quiet. Do what needs to be done and move on quietly. But protect your children and your own lives. Nothing is worth losing your lives over. This is unnecessary and probably a tragedy in the line.
I don't think he was a weirdo at all - he was just living his best life but was not smart enough to keep a female out of his mix. She was not needed! All that baggage was hers - including that child and he should not have interjected himself in that foolishness in the first place.
@bostonthe sick comment. He should not have murdered 😤
Very good story.. as a mother of 6, I just to say I love the sounds of your baby in the background! It's very comforting to me!
I think the family failed her. You waited 2 months to report??