AMD Ryzen 9 3900X & Ryzen 7 3700X Review, Zen 2 Has Arrived!
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AMD Ryzen 9 3900X & Ryzen 7 3700X Review, Zen 2 Has Arrived!
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Thank you for including the Ryzen 5 1600 in your benchmarks. As a 1600 owner, it really helps me gauge what kind of gains I could expect by upgrading.
Absolutely agree with this.
Same. Have to decide if bumping from an X370 is worth it now too.
same here, have 1600 and looking for info if I should upgrade to 3600/3700X and how much uplift to expect
Same! Thats what i would be upgrading from.
@@MarcosCodas sammmeeee, might have to get a complete new build especially since my 750ti is unable to do any aaa games anymore ;-;
That 3700X is looking real juicy from a power consumption to performance ratio.
Still behind the 8700k in gaming which is super disappointing
@@hiphophead8053 wait till the first bios update comes out then see what happens... Right now they're still on the last Zen+ BIOS update. Once they update the chipset drivers benchmarks will improve
@@hiphophead8053 we are talking about a new processor, give it a bit of time and they are gonna be way ahead in games
@@Neiva71 that's cuz intel my friend.
@@Neiva71 Lmfao since when has intel cared about performance
I really appreciated the IPC and memory testing. It was unique to your review (out of 7 or 9 that I've watched) and it added a lot of value. Thanks for your hard work.
7:37 That Ryzen 9 might not need RAM to process it at all XD.
I mean.. it has freaking 70 MB to access 32 MB dictionary.
L3 is 64mb
@@Zero11s Yup L2 6MB L3 64MB, so total 70MB in processor
I thought that. If the dictionary size was small enough (e.g. 14 or 15MB) to fit into the i9's cache memory, it might result in the i9 coming back out on top. who knows.
L3 is 32MB per chiplet. In fact, it's 16MB per CCX so that's actually your cache limit in terms of unique data. If you had for example HALF the dictionary in one CCX's cache and HALF in the other CCX's cache then any thread for CCX#1 would need to jump over and start running on CCX#2 to access any cache data stored there which adds latency thus performance drops...even worse if your thread jumps between chiplets..
besides I don't think 7zip even works like that. I don't think the entire dictionary is dropped into a CPU cache... I assume the 32MB dictionary is stored in DDR4 memory but only relevant data for what each thread is doing currently is stored in the CPU caches so likely the memory requirement per THREAD for optimal size is far smaller than the dictionary size... I don't even know if there's a linear relationship between dictionary size and cache size requirements
Also, the fact that 7zip has a default dictionary size of 32MB also makes me question how much cache matters on the CPU. Dictionary size ties in to compression capability but CPU's with far less than 32MB of cache seem to run quite well... an interesting test would be to run a large compression so you can easily time it then plot dictionary size vs time to compress. I'd think if cache is that important you'd see performance drop off a cliff if a dictionary size was suddenly too big. But again, not sure it works that way.
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I think that I will wait for 4th gen. They will be a bit refined than 3rd gen.
MirelRc same. i got a ryzen 2700x 6 months ago and well i have the money for a 3700x or 3850x i can’t justify it. waiting is the best option if you have an adequate cpu as intel might come back and 4gen will be a bit better.
do u mean the RIP AMD days has come.. those results tho.......... rejoice intel fanboys
Glen Rios what? I’m an owner of an 8th Gen Intel CPU.. and this is very good news for AMD.. they’re way better now..
Unless if you are just a gamer.. most wouldn’t care about those marginal differences..
@@Thunderbolt604 I got ryzen 2600 3 2 weeks ago, and I can say that I am not disappointed.
Linus has found that disabling one chiplet improves FPS in BFV by quite a bit number. So I guess upcoming chipset driver should give bit of bump
I have r5 2600 and B450i strix, w10 1903, and I can't install AMD Chipset driver, it always say "This app can't run on your PC"
@uP-Andre shut up, dude
@uP-Andre Why are you spamming this everywhere?
SouperSaiyan because he can’t take his lord Intel losing in productivity, and being matched in most games.
@uP-Andre Fuck you. Go comment that in the main thread.
Intel have had such a big advantage for years that many games have been programmed with that in mind, with AMD performance improvements and core rises many game engines will probably take advantage of this in the next few years, time will tell.
Word for word, this is exactly what people said when the 8350 came out. We saw what happened there. It is silly to buy a CPU with hopes that it will perform better eventually.
@@moddedimlose Fun fact, while still nothing compared to modern CPUs, the FX 8350 does in fact perform leagues better than it used to.
You can try and use that old "FX" argument all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that even Intel is using more cores in order to compete.
@@moddedimlose Yes but everyone said the Ryzen 5 1600 was worse then the i-5 at the time.... look at benchmarks for new games... its destroying it brutally. FX series was trash. Zen is actually a good architecture for gaming. So comparing the two is just silly.
Hopefuly as we see more OEM's pimp out there Machines with Ryzen cpus we might see that change.
@@arkdesign9517 ruclips.net/video/97sDKvMHd8c/видео.html
Smh why the fuck would i be talking about the 9600? Does that even make any logical sense??
That video is what im talking about.
Why would i compare the Ryzen 5 1600 to the 9600k? Thats so retarded, obviously im talking about the 7600k.
As someone who has always been Intel (have one in the rig now) but has also just ordered a 3700x, I find it odd that none of these reviews fail to mention that the Ryzen 3000 series has literally JUST come out and these games won't be optimised at all for them yet. So for them to be in the region of the much more expensive 9900k etc is really good IMO.
We will see. Ryzen 3000 has terrible overclocking capabilities
I'm not buying into to the "wait for optimizations/drivers/updates." AMD users say that every time about every product. You should buy based on the numbers you see now not on what they might maybe be in the future.
@@Malus1531 the now numbers are great. And they'll only get better
@@daltonv5206 Some increases, but people tend to overstate it. Just saying, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Depends how fast it happens too. Sometimes an AMD product will pull ahead years later sure, but by then I'm buying a new CPU/GPU anyway so who cares? I'd rather buy what's best now, reap the benefits of having a better product over its life, than hope it rewards me at the tail end.
@@Malus1531 ...yeah, I prefer my CPUs to heavily degrade in performance over time due to security vulnerabilities in the architecture. It's a far better experience than being happy with my purchase, and then watching it gain performance.
It has begun. The world has shifted by 0.00001% on its axis from all the vibrations of mobile phone notifications on the new AMD cpu's.
Nah m8, vibration is annoying, sound only club here.
His Supreme Clarkson-ness But sound is also annoying.. to the people around you. If there are any 😂
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 sound is still vibrations technically lol
Bass dropping when you consider those connected to speakers listening to music at the time.
Man, you sure did post this on every channel doing a review of these CPU's didnt ya.
This just conclusively shows that many of these game engines are poorly optimized for modern CPUs. Now that we have consumer 12 core processors, devs will have to step up their game.
Thats very true. I would be much happier if games would be more optimized at least for 8 cores. Because even thats yet to be seen these days.. 😄
i find it funny how all of these reviewers seem to leave out newer games out of the suite ... specifically why the hell isnt the Division 2 known for utilizing basically most threads out of all the games on the market right now (devs claim it can run up to 12 threads ...) and NOONE is using them to review chips that coincidentally have 12+ threads ...
why the F is something like lets say GTA V still in the benchmarks and Division is not ...
devs not gonna step up their game just because 0.5% of their consumers have a 12core cpu... that would be straight up wasting resources.. they will optimize for consoles first, so if the new consoles will have 8cores, it will be pointless to buy a cpu with 8+ cores if u mainly use it for gaming in the next few years.
@@gb34a 12 THREAD not core ... as with 3600 and 3600x that thread count just became the mainstream ...
@@gb34a who only games? who never uses facebook while gaming, steam and steam chat, watch videos etc? The "only gaming" thing is bs
Everyone: 3rd gen Ryzen vs 9900k
Me: imagine buying a 7600k over a 1600x
1440p it barely matters when u use a 3600 vs 10900k. especially given the price
AMD: we have the strongest CPUs in the world!
Steve: kills it in 1 day
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AMD: shocked Pikachu face..
Amd hasnt released their 3950x. So basically their words are still questionable but not false until the 3950x releases and gets full benchmark
@@BaoHoang-ee5ko Yeah. Always more fun watching Red vs Blue teams top-of-the-line CPUs. Best vs best.
You didn't use the meme right lol
Depend on metodology. For example take 5700xt to world war z, set vulkan and say bye bye to gtx 2080ti. If game support vulkan pair amd/amd against intel/nvidia and see how red team wins
@@marbat1854 Well DUH!. Ofcourse they win if they have to come up with an own engine just for AMD.
No other way they would have won. If Nvidia had something similar ofcourse Nvidia would have won over and over.
Insane amount of info and work, well done 👍
Thanks Jarrod 👍
Hey dad!!!
The amount of work but even more, actual insight in this is tremendous and dare I say, outstanding! I love hardware (and get paid to write about it on a dying breed of media, print magazines :'D) but honestly Steve has surpassed himself in this and I'm proud to be a Patreon member.
Thank you Steve, you're doing amazing and I hope you keep doing this at this level for a long time because you're definitely one of my favourite tester worlwide with Steve @ GN
Well done Steve!! Just an insane amount of benchmarks, I have no idea how you had time for all this data gathering.
Start 2 weeks in advance, that's the secret :) Thanks Paul!
This is amazing! Way to go AMD. I will wait and buy the AMD 3950X to replace my aging I7 5960X. Excited to move back to AMD after almost 10 years!
Great review as always
New AMD 3000 are amazing, but i still love my 2700x :D
same. bought my 2700x last nov. 2018
Is a 2700x more worth it than these two new cpus?
Got my 2700x October '18. No regrets here! 3700x runs 40ish watts/tdp lower which is pretty amazing really! .. I don't think I'd upgrade for that reason alone while the gaming fps remained pretty similar imo between the 2700x and 3700x .. If you do more productivity projects over gaming, the 3700x will make you think twice tho. It looks to be a solid all around chip!
First video i looked for in my inbox when NDA lifted
Me too
@uP-Andre we'll see what the future brings.
@uP-Andre this guy again. Spamming comments like "Wow such a major disapointment!" on every AMD review by Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed etc.. this guy clearly has no hobbies xD. The same guy that wanted Quake Champions to be benchmarked by AMD eventhough it's a dead game that no one really plays. Heck even big streamers don't care about it.
I watched GN first XD
@UCiTYaQMiJeGPlpct5j9sqRg tu realmente não percebes nada de informática só pelos os teu comentários vê mesmo que não entendes de nada em quase todos os testes praticamente o Ryzen 9 ganha vs 9900k até mesmo no consumo de energia elétrica ganha ainda por cima tem mais 4 cores que o 9900k faz um favor a nós todos e reduz te a tua ignorância...
Good job killing that poor 12c cpu Steve ;). Great review as always man!
Thanks Chris 👍
BTW this is an interesting read: www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html
I guess Steve pulled the short straw at the s00per secret TechTuber pre-planned collective hardware review meeting(aboard Linuses private jet, no doubt...) and had to sacrifice his review chip to find out where the chip death point was - [all together now!] "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
"FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
"FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
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@@Hardwareunboxed maybe a noob question but here it goes, did you check with newer Windows scheduling? and what about the patches for Intel security patches? Great review and thanks.
The most important part is that it's confirmed AMD will replace your CPU that dies from overclocking lololololol have at it boys and if they ask just say you did it for hardware unboxed so you have to for me CONFIRMED
Stone cold cpu killer
Well, now I know what my next cpu will be :)
Nice to see my old 8700k still clinging on in the gaming benches though, but definitely a switch to ryzen for me with my next build, those productivity numbers are epic.
Cmdr Flint if you only have a 1080p monitor then 8700k is still a sweet piece of kit
productivity-> went with 8700k... just why?
@@arencorparencorp2189 im also a gamer, and at the time i built, the only ryzen option was the 1800x which wasn't that much better for productivity tasks.
@@cmdrflint9115 ever heard of hedt? ik ik, expensive but.. better also the 8700k is not "old" its 8 gen and we're at 9 so.. and 9 is more like high end 8 genand refreshed 8 gen
@@cmdrflint9115 the 1800x was better for productivity by a huge gap. but plenty slower for gaming indeed
11:37
"I'm going to cautiously move to the gaming benchmarks"
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not even kidding this ad was perfect.
The fact I can put a 3900X in the X370 board I bought at launch takes the cake for me. I'd be forced to upgrade my mobo if I'd gone with the 7700K
Same here with a Asrock x370 gaming X board though bios not yet released 👍
Fuck that, it works on my msi b350 board LOL That is incredible!!!! AMD kept there promise.
I used to have i7 7700k but I sold it last month so I can buy lots of bags of heroin. My life sucks as an addict but have lots of love and passion for PC tech.
Based on a few of the gaming benchmarks I've seen, you'll still be chasing the 7700K in a few games, but, admittedly, AMD has now largely beaten Intel's flagship 4c/8t processor ....from 3 years ago...and essentially tied the 8700K.
@Yuck Foutube Thanks a lot dude, actually means a lot to this lonely lonely soul. I'm planning to give up very soon, hopefully this week if I can gather enough strength.
"CiNeBenCh iSnt rEaL wOrLD"
[this meme really is a pAiN iN tHe AsS]
The funny thing is that Cinebench is a benchmark to determine the performance of rendering with Maxxon's C4D -- a real world application ... lol ... and bottlenecking a CPU for gaming is real world? lol ... Good one Intel, good one ....
Its ironic for intel to dismiss what's "real world" when thier head's in the clouds and their value in the guttter.
Not As Much Of A Pain As People Typing Everything With Capital Letters
yes, because game engines are bias towards intel and they know it
X6 Afro or do they bias toward monolithic die designs?
I would have to say mission accomplished by AMD,
the 3900x destroys the 9900k in everything outside gaming. The 3900x manages to hold 144fps in games like battlefield and call of duty. Which the 2700x and 1700x was not able to do.
The high refresh gaming argument is now out the window. You can also expect the ryzen 3900x to get better as bios in motherboards mature as well as windows updates
the only thing that irks me is the clock speeds. I was hoping for 4.5ghz on all cores. But I guess tsmc 7nm process still has some fine tuning to do. It is marvelous for efficiency though but the clock speeds still leave alot to be desired.
Overall the 3900x is a big upgrade coming from a ryzen 1700. In gaming and productivity. Intel's advantage in Adobe is gone.
Apple should consider using ryzen third gen in upcoming Macs, that will make the prices significantly cheaper. Apple is not gaming focused either so ryzen third gen will be great for all the newest cheese graters
They won't make it cheaper they would leave it at the same price or charge more due to the fact that they can say 7nm process
It’s a brand new cpu. It should be beating Intel’s 2-3 year old CPU’s in everything. This is pathetic that it can’t.
@@gwynbleiddroach2589 this only happens if you don't live in the real world.
warcrab cyber it happens in the tech world constantly, what the hell are you talking about?
@@Patrick73787 from the looks of it nothing will satisfy your needs. You are the reason why Nvidia is killing pc gamers with ridiculous prices. It keeps getting worse and worse,
because there are people like you that are never satisfied and spend over 1500$ in video cards alone.
I gurantee AMD is not the problem here , 165hz wow! do you really think 165 hz will give you some kind of advantage in gaming online. You are just wasting money.
Invest your money in something else dude for your own good.
Gamers Nexus got their hand on a R5 3600 if anyone want a early review of that CPU.
Hell no. Ever since he messed up that video on streaming benchmark, I have blacklisted his videos.
@@Supremax67 Messed up? I vaguely remember someone talking about it wasn't realistic but I'm having a brain fart on what it was.
@@johnbuscher -- Most of his test didn't involve fast action game play or scrolling text. 2 of the things very common among twitch players. So yes, fast encoding is all you need for slow moving scenes, which he kept showing off. He downplay the presentation and for a guy with that much tech knowledge, that was just wrong.
@@Supremax67 I agreed that he fucked up and that fact he doubled down only made it worse but still he makes good content , the 3600 review was actually pretty good.
@@Supremax67 he's human, he can make mistakes
Bombarded with ryzen reviews but of course couldn't resist seeing Steve's face 😜
😘
Literally looked at his vid first!
Steves numbers are the ones i trust though.
Happiest face today in RUclips
*_I love you, 3000._*
I only came to watch the nord vpn ad. Can you overclock it?
For 3440x1440p gaming it might not be worth upgrading from a 2700x to a 3700x.
it is ;)
Ryzen 9 3900X is chilling with 40-60% CPU Usage while the i9 has 80% to 90%
Matthew B. It does mean something. It means that a 12 core CPU has more resources to work with than an 8 core CPU.
It has 8 cores 16 threads, I doubt it could it would get anywhere near 90% usage, maybe 70% at worst in the most demeaning games.
@@MrMatthewb9876 Yes, and now see how much better Ryzen is doing with newer games than the 7600k - having extra compute resources is worthwhile! Means the CPU lasts a lot longer before needing to be upgraded. More GPU upgrades can be done without need to touch the CPU, RAM, or motherboard.
@@mduckernz Presumably, no one will be needing upgrading R5-1600 and up then? They were touted as quite 'future proof', were they not? :)
I remember many folks claiming victory for Ryzen in 2017 based solely on lower CPU usage as well... :)
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Both Navi and Zen 2 are 7nm parts, so my guess is AMD really wanted to release both of them on 7/7
DrathVader I hope the gaming benchmark of Navi will be comparable to NVIDIA's line up now that they released the Super lineup. Gaming wise the Radeon VII was disappointingly matching RTX 2080/GTX 1080 Ti in performance and now that the Super version of 2080 is going out, Radeon VII is losing hard when it comes to gaming performance since they have the same price :((
@@williamjake100 Navi benchmarks are already up on techpowerup.
Basically it's decent, but you might want to wait for AIB boards to come up.
Nah they picked 7/7 because of the bombing in the UK 14 years ago
THIS is why I'm a Patron. No one else does this. Keep up the good work, Steve! I just signed up for Nord VPN.
You Benchmarked BFV with DX11.....AMD's Presentation was with DX12. Switch over to the better API and watch the script flip.
BFV performs far worse with DX12 enabled, that's just a fact. Frostbite as an engine favours DX11 heavily.
@@hagridpotterz7802 for sûre dx 12 is not really good on bfv dx11 is th way
@@hagridpotterz7802 Yeah, the game runs better on DX11 but based on the data AMD provided at E3, the 3rd Generation CPUs ran better than the 9900K in DX12.
@@hagridpotterz7802 Yeah, their DX12 implementation obviously sucks. Has all the hallmarks of a not-native DX12 implementation that basically just wraps an existing DX11 one, thereby getting the worst of both worlds lol. It would be better to just not have a DX12 implementation of that's the way they're doing it, but this is common nonetheless as it's good for marketing. Really annoys me as it gives people who don't understand the impression that DX12 sucks when it's really not the case. We've seen genuine DX12 and Vulkan (they are really very similar...) implementations, ones that don't just wrap DX11, and they totally kick ass.
@@DJHeroMasta The data that AMD specifically provided to make their presentation look stronger? We need actual third-party benchmarks to test that in order to prove that their claims are correct.
Great coverage, and appreciate the effort put in. I can only imagine how stressful this week was with all the launches...
12:46 - LinusTechTips has a fix for that, by setting CPU affinity to 1 CCD(4/6 core die) - that would mean that this could be fixed through software.
This. Upvote this, everyone. 3900x does 161 fps in BF5 with CCX lock versus 151fps in his test.
Why the hell would you lock the game to one core?
Can you explain what this option does?
@@combatantezoteric2965 its not just one core. Think of 0 core as the manger and the other cores as the workers. If you have nothing but worker cores, nobody knows how to do the job as well as they can with a manager to guide them. At least thats how I understand it and how most games are still programmed which is why this helps ryzen cpu's for games that haven't been optimized for them.
Yoda loves Luke my mistake, 1 CCD(1 4/6 Core die, not 1 core).
INTEL benchmarked with an AIO watercooler and AMD with the bundled stock cooler? ... No wonder the benchmarks looked off.
Considering this, it only makes the Zen 2 chips look even more impressive!
Still, Steve did acknowledge this disadvantage the AMD chips had, and took it into account in the cost to performance analysis.
Current AIO cool just as well as Custom loops. I have ran custom loops for 8years. I am transitioning to AIOS on all newer devices for less hassle and better resale
Intel is a year older and still kicks amd ass
These gaming results are perfectly in line with what AMD told us to expect. They said they were seeking, what, ~10% improvement in gaming across the board? Well that's exactly what I see, and I am perfectly pleased with that.
Zen 2 may not have caught up to Intel in gaming just yet, and there are reasons for that with which we're all familiar. Be that as it may, Zen 2 stomps Intel in ever other application outside gaming. And again, their gaming performance has seen a very nice uplift over the last generation.
So yeah, Zen 2 is very impressive, and AMD seem to have been quite tempered and realistic with what they told us to expect. So respect to them for that.
Also, Steve, do you think the new Zen chipset driver released today will help the gaming performance at all? I expect not, but it would be nice to get your take on it, even if it is just a few games re-tested to see.
Inlets are running stock clocks and destroying AMD
Perfectly in line to fancy BS marketing benchmark charts at computex?
@@tomr3319 Care to back that up with an actual source, because I can find that nowhere? I'm not saying you're lying, but I also am not going to believe you if I can't validate what you're saying.
Besides, are you saying that the launch of any product (much less a new architecure) must be 100% free of flawed units? That's impossible, and no company has ever managed or will ever manage that; not AMD, not Nvidia, and not Intel.
@@HickoryDickory86 you tube is your friend, check all gaming benchmarks...
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Intel was right, AMD can't beat them in the gaming
However, considering the price, productivity performance, and power consumption, I would definitely go with the Zen2 CPU's.
what do you mean,look at the prices
@@krugec23 8700k is still cheap at 329$ USD right now ... soooooo, yeah the price is moot.
3700x and 3800x are only worth it and 3600
@uP-Andre you gonna keep copying and pasting that exact same comment on every reply you make? have you nothing better to do with your time?
go for ryzen 2000 great prices they got there
well done steve. The very first person to kill a ryzen 3900x but not the last.
RIP 3900X :(
Loved the video Steve, you covered absolutely everything, great job!
Thanks Kev, appreciate. Hope you're doing well mate!
Wow it's probably time I said goodbye to my i7 4790k. As soon as my car loan is paid off next year i'll be sniffing around for the upgrade !
Dont rush ... you gona get only 5-10% fps with 3700x on 2080ti .
@@Taurus_Play the 2600 is equal or better than the 4790k is by seen here: ruclips.net/video/QKzLPqVWE9c/видео.html
So with the IPC increase its gonna be quite abit better - even more if you dont like to OC or throw expensive coolers on your CPU - the benchmark shown has intel @ 4.8ghz which takes a shit ton of cooling, few go that high - aka the new ryzens could show 15-20% increase
@Jeff T no 1 cares about 2% renders . So yeah , only gaming .
@@jahejsa NJ r a fake google testers they take stats from air .
ruclips.net/video/dn9EMlxdCrM/видео.htmlm30s !
@@jahejsa new ryzen ... test are out , go see its so funy !
Finally! Been refreshing youtube all day for this!
I was searching everywhere for the embargo lift time. Found it on Reddit.
I knew I wasn't the only one waiting. But I felt I have spent most of the morning waiting for it
llmao me to was bagging to think theses guys were waiting for Monday, Its like Christmas,
Literally everyone on the internet "boatload of money"
Hardware Unboxed : "Boatload of Stuff"
Thank you for including 1440p benchmarks. It illustrates the reality that a 3700X will max out almost any GPU, and the 2080ti in most titles.
If you do 4K, the story gets even better for the 2700X...
What I learned from this video is to buy a 9700K for gaming.
Perhaps, but with only 8 threads, how long will that hold out moving forward, especially 'if' console gaming is moving to 16 threads. Gaming could very quickly start depending on more threads.
Dear corporations, keep sponsoring this channel! Its one of the best :D :D Ty for the awesome review :D
You mean dear Intel. The stupidest review in youtube. He is a shill.
@@doggSMK How? Got any proof? Or are you just bullshitting because you're an AMD fanboy?
@@hagridpotterz7802 this pathetic review is the proof, Liquid cooler on Intel vs box air on AMD hahha what a joke
@@doggSMK Steve probably intended to do the benches again with the AIO but then the chip died. Did you consider that?
He also did take the price of a cooler into account when doing the cost-benefit analysis (price/performance) presented as a scatter plot. Not something that you'd do if you were a "shill" as you contend.
He will almost certainly do testing with the AIO, just you wait.
While I definitely would have liked to see results with the AIO as well as the box cooler, I'm still glad that the main results were with the box cooler, as that's what the majority of consumers will use, and quite justifiably; they're really quite good coolers, especially for one that comes included!
P.S. I really wish you and those like you wouldn't make shitty accusations like this - it makes us AMD fans look like total dickheads.
Steve, I hope you consider an alternative review in the coming weeks: undervolting.
This is not only interesting for people with TV Box/SFF units, but can show us what to expect with the 2020 PS5 and Xbox V consoles. I know it won't be one-to-one, since consoles typically draw around 100-200W power from wall, especially when considering the efficiencies of APU/Laptops and the added optimisations on consoles.
However, a B450 Mobo and DDR4-3200MHz RAM, combined with a R7-3700X CPU and RX 5700 GPU seems to be around the ballpark. Ofcourse, this would also require some underclocking for both of those components. In particularly, a Base 3.6GHz undervolt All-core for the CPU and around a Base 1.6GHz undervolt for the GPU.
I do wonder if something like that would be able to offer True 4K-HDR/High Settings/60fps-FreeSync for the living room, for both lightweight titles (F1 2019) and heavier titles (FarCry New Dawn). And maybe also for the upcoming CyberPunk 2077, but disregarding un-optimised games like GTA V and Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
F to pay repsects? I give thanks to the 3900X that sacrificed itself for the making of this review.
Let's hear it for durability and the extra (maybe) 100 MHz on tap on all of AMD's CPUS!!! :)
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The 3700X has been the most impressive to me so far. There are already BIOS updates happening by the minute. It's running neck-and-neck with the 9900k in most single-threaded applications, running circles around it in multi-threaded applications, drawing less power, producing less heat, and doing it all for $160 less!
Something tells me that the story of Zen2 gaming performance is not over and that we will see it improve with updates on bios or whatever.
Yeah, that's what they said about first-gen Ryzen, and as Steve's recent video comparing the 1600 and 7600K proves, that just wasn't true. First-gen Ryzen was merely decent for gaming, and in an entire two years, that hasn't changed one bit. These 3rd-gen Ryzen chips are very good (I'll be buying one shortly), but they won't ever surpass the 9900K in gaming.
@@selohcin perhaps the 3950x will ?
@@selohcin This aged extremely badly, now that Zen 3 is out.
@ I was actually referring to the 5800x, due to the improved single thread performance. The 3700x is still a great CPU though, however the i7s have been coming down in price. Originally, the i7 9700k was more expensive around the $400 price point, so while technically outperforming the 3700x, the 3700x was only about ~$330 or so, which made it better value overall, but now you can easily find both for overall the same price, so in my opinion, the one you should get depends on your main usage. If you're a gaming person, then you'd get more use out of the i7, but if you're generally using a PC more for productivity or multitasking, the 3700x would be the better choice. It all just really depends honestly
The review embargo has been lifted and my sub box has been flooded with Ryzen reviews. Guess which is the first video I'm watching?
I was also hoping that the gaming performance would be a bit more closer. But considering the massive productivity advantage and close enough gaming performance, this is definitely a win for AMD.
And even in gaming, the 1% lows and the averages are tighter than they are on the intel, which could mean a smoother overall experience. So there is no doubt that for most people, the AMD is the CPU of choice.
IT is likely if you are buying a 3900X 3800x or 3700X you will be gaming at 1440p. Not 1080p. So in most games the intel and amd cpus are identical in performance.
Gamers nexus?
@@1invag That was a low blow man. 😂😂😂
It looks like I can drop a 3900x into my x470 board as it basically uses the same amount of power as my 2700x. Now, I just need to get some video editing work from my company to justify needing it.
You can justify any purchase by saying you're an enthusiast.
Q: Were ALL security patches applied on all platforms for all these tests?
Another interesting test would be to set the 3900X to 4+4 for a high cache 8 core and see how it runs.
@Hardware Unboxed This one is a pretty interesting configuration to try out Steve :)
Seems hyper-threading was no turned off since 9900K scores much higher than 9700K. Has Intel fixed that and stopped recommending turning off HT?
@@arkdesign9517 But shouldn't comparisons between CPUs be made at the same security level to be fair? That's a load of BS that they recommend companies but not users. Because they know companies will sue if they get hacked while a lone user won't have the same means to sue.
HU's policy is to test with Windows fully updated...
@@DaTube-po3ry I saw at least one review that showed the 9900K gaining FPS with HT off....; not sure that's where you want to really go just yet.
The 3600/X have insanely low cost per frame. A small channel did a video where a comment-er did the math and it's under 2$ because of how well the 3600x or even the 3600 did - it was very close to the 3700X as far as how it performed in gaming. I want the 3700X for help in future games and for the productivity, but these 3600 CPU's are bananas for the price.
As a 2700x owner who games frequently and does basic productivity work, it's not worth upgrading.
For me it's better to get a better graphics card (2070 super or better) as I game on 1440p and buy faster and bigger SSD drives.
If you like fast SSD drives I can imagine that 3rd gen Threadripper will be absolutely perfect for you. Imagine 3 PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVME SSDs in RAID0...
True just get a better graphics if you wanna game. I'm sure 2700x more than sufficient for basic productivity. Now ticket to Gen4 waiting for you ;)
Henry Townsmyth what GPU do you have now
That's a fair point, but for me it was.. because mine was still new in box and I was able to return it 4 days ago and get my money back (minus 10%).. and then get the 3700X for $70 more. I am happy with this based on power consumption figures alone. Any added performance is a bonus and in some instances, there is a big performance increase for 3700X. In gaming.. not so much, but I primarily care about 24/7 encoding.. because this really pushes up the power bill. And some weeks, it's 50-100 hours straight of encoding. If I was gaming at 1440p, I probably wouldn't care as much. And would definitely be aiming at a 2080ti or 2070 Super. I can just give you a tip though, if you wanted to sell your 2700X, you probably should have done it in the last few weeks. Or do it very soon. Because it's value is about to fall off a cliff. Even the 3600 is faster (in most things) and due to socket compatibility.. there's no real reason to buy 1000 or 2000 series AMD chips.. unless they can be had for real cheap. Which I guess is another reason for you to hold on to what you have.. and then wait for 4000 series.
@@JonBslime gtx 1070
Right on the dot!
*The effort for these is greatly appreciated by the way. I'd have to imagine it's been a bit brutal for yahs the past week!
I am an absolute Intel fan boy and 8700k owner, but all I can say is well done AMD!! Can't wait to see Intel response
Steve looks like a dracula from hotel Transylvania 😝😝
No one does benchmarks like you man.....thanks for the info...
Thanks guys, great selection of different benchmarks - as always :). Would be very interested in seeing how different B350 / X370 boards handle the 3rd gen.
Sticking with my 8700k for a while, but if I was in the market for a CPU I would definitely go with the Ryzen 9 3900X over the i9 9900K, or wait for the Ryzen 9 3950X...
Yeah as another 8700k owner there's no reason to upgrade unless you need the cores for productivity. For gaming and everyday tasks this chips don't really offer anything better. I'd love an excuse to do a Ryzen build, but my workloads wouldn't benefit.
CPU benchmarks in BFV absolutely MUST be done in multiplayer rather than singleplayer. The performance between the two is huge, and it's the CPU that makes all the difference.
Given you said you used the stock box cooler for the Ryzen 3000 in these results, does that mean you haven't tried the AIO cooler for the gaming side? Are you seeing boost clocks being reached at all?
Go check Der8auer utube
@diablosv36
Ya, that is my only complaint, the intel should have been tested on the same cooler that was used in the value measurement or both should have been retested on the same AIO and those numbers used in the value assessment. So Intel got the cooling of a 280mm AIO but the pricing of a 1/2 priced air cooler, while the Dark Rock Pro 4 is still a better cooler than the Prism. Also, seeing what LTT mentioned about core scheduling issues, I wonder if gaming results would slightly increase or not if that is tweaked a bit.
It will only change by 5% or less, considering the difference was tested in Blender, the highest stress point for all cores.
@@smokeydops blender is way more CPU heavy so wouldn't be boosting as high compared to gaming where lighter work loads will be boosting higher on those threads being used. The 3900x is rated to go up to 4.6 GHz. Yet reviews are all showing 4.3 GHz OC usually ahead in gaming compared to stock where boosting should be in play
Sucks that you got the Ryzen 5 part a little late but good thing Tech Jesus Steve has that covered.
A minute of silence to remember Steve's Ryzen 9 CPU... long live in the code!
In my opinion the 9700k at $300 and the 9900k at $400 would actually be very competitive options. I am super happy to see AMD back. I got my 9900k at $420, and am happy how it performs overall vs the 3700X. But for productivity, the 3900x makes my mouth water. AMD KICKIN SOME MAJOR TAIL. What a great year to be a consumer!
9900K still safely sitting at the top of the stack for gaming.
I would buy 3900x instead. More cache, more cores/threads, better editing performance, you can use it on cheap B450 mobo.
you're the best Steve! Love you man
It’s sad that he doesn’t compare the 8700k from 2017 to amd new ryzen 2 cpu. 2 years later and it’s still crushing in gaming with 6 cores 12 threads
thanks for the benchmarks my man. Just curious, does does gap between the 9900k and 3900x chips widen if you turn the graphical settings to low? My assumption is that with low settings, it allows the GPU to more easily handle the load but idk if that's a correct assumption. I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to doing benchmarks so I figured I'd ask.
also, would you do some more gaming benchmarks? I think at this point most people know that zen2 destroys intel with productivity - but I wanna know how big of a difference there is between the zen2 chips vs intel in gaming. Is it a huge diff? Small diff? Would love to see you run a few in depth benchmarks with commonly played multiplayer games (thinking Apex Legends, Fortnite, PUBG, Dota, CSGO, COD, warframe, etc)
personally when i look at it the 10-20fps that you from intel isn't worth the extra cost. (especially when amd is more efficient with their Zen2 architecture)
Extra cost? The i9 9900k is literally the same price as the 3900x and was on top in every single game he tested.
Ashinori did you forget you need to buy a cooling solution for Intel cpus?
@@yahikothetendopain3552 I mean... Everybody in the comments were saying that the comparison was not fair because the Ryzen cpu was running with the stock cooler, and that nobody in their right mind would run a 12 cores $500 CPU with the stock cooler. And they're right.
So your argument has no weight.
Ashinori your trolling if you don’t know what 7nm compared to 14nm means in terms of power consumption
I’ll spell it out for you that means you don’t need a beefy cpu cooler!!! Aka you can save. Also you get the bloody stock cooler added in the bundle so I’m not sure how you don’t see how you save money.
Well my suspicions have been more of less completed. I'm so not going to upgrade anytime soon The cost of the CPU's are in line and they are good but your gaming tests showed me that a 10% change is not worth the upgrade. Again thank you very much for your testing.
di. mythios there will likely be further improvements one retail BIOS versions are released. Think of the 10% difference as a guarantee; it can only get better from this point.
8700k still looks pretty good for gaming, especially when you consider overclocking. Going to assume that AMD doesn't OC anywhere near as well as Intel, which will just increase the gap.
Kyle Aitken sadly it’s looking that way. I’m kind of disappointed at this current point in time.
@@Arlyon9999 Makes me chuckle though. Reviewers are going to juice their drawers over how good these chips are, probably just happy for some real competition, but they aren't that special.
lol, with the chair behind matching your shirt the first thing I thought when clicked on this video was its Dracula's cape.
I was waiting for this. Couldn't even sleep. Thank you guys.
We all know we love that girthy blue-red bar of charts, aren't we?
Oh, glad to see you again Steve! Don't forget to get some rest from that all nighter.
Also, RIP Mr. Ryzen 9 3900X, your courage will not be forgotten.
Whoaaa AMD I love you more than ever!! With AMD since my first pc with an amd k6 2 500 mhz!! Fanboism aside, its nice to see better and better products in the ryzen family.
The most detailed review....Well done Steve
im not buying at $300+ CPU to game at 1080 in 2019 thanks. yes it tests CPU but its useless since my GPU will be the bigger bottleneck.
I do pay a high power bill though so the 65 watt CPU that handles everything well is a no brainier.
"im not buying at $300+ CPU to game at 1080 in 2019 thanks." maybe ur not, but someone with a 144Hz or a 240Hz monitor will buy.
Also 1080p tests are good for futureproofing comparison, if you change ur card in the future there won't be any bottlenecks even in higher resolutions.
Why are you gaming at 1080 though?
@@Glurbschnurb excactly
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Not really, as future games will use more resources (cores threads) we saw that with the revisit of 1600 vs Kaby lake.
@@Glurbschnurb 144hz.
I need to get up early for work, but to hell with sleep,I need to know how good it be!!!
Steve, when you added the price of air-coolers, did you also add the price of a cooler for the Ryzen 1600X and 1800X?
They don't come with stock coolers either.
An Australian talking about anything is hilarious. Kiwi here.
PA Flanary we know, most of you live in Australia these days.
@@Kathdath Bondi....lol. Norm Gunston anyone ?
Thank you for doing some IPC testing, no other review youtubers did this and it is rather interesting. Also glad you are testing 2 core chiplets being 8 cores. Thanks Steve. (wish you did some csgo, rocket league, overwatch benchmarks though ;)
Many other reviewers don't even seem to understand what IPC _is_ (they often very incorrectly say it just means single thread performance - nope! The key part is that it is independent of frequency, being a measure of compute efficiency per cycle), so this is hardly surprising haha.
It's pretty impressive that they have completely caught up with Intel in IPC. The only thing saving Intel in any technical sense now is their ability to clock do high, which ultimately is a result of them owning and thus controlling their own fabs, with the very high amount of control over manufacturing this allows them. Architecturally, AMD have caught up, and in some senses, actually have a superior design (the heterogeneous chiplet design is forward thinking and inspired, and was a significant risky bet for them... which has totally paid off!)
@@mduckernz Agreed about many reviewers not understanding IPC. Much as I find Bitwit Kyle entertaining, I have found him making this mistake from time to time.
@@JD-fi4nk Good example, yeah. I enjoy watching him from time to time, but only for certain kinds of content. He's not a technical guy, so I'll choose someone more technically inclined. But he's better for other kinds of content, so I'll prefer him sometimes for that :) it's all about choosing the appropriate source for the context 😊
(I mean, I read WikiChip and their CPU pipeline breakdowns _for fun_ but I know this is unusual, so I'm not gonna hold it against someone to not want to engage at that kind of level haha)
@@mduckernz Absolutely. Fortunately, there are tons of great PC hardware channels to scratch any itch. For more scientific stuff, I love Gamers Nexus and some of Science Studio's videos. For thorough benchmarks, product comparisons, monitor and laptop reviews, and value analysis, you can't beat Hardware Unboxed, and Gamers Nexus is also excellent. For crazy projects and entertaining tech news, I enjoy Linus. I watch Paul and Kyle primarily for their banter.
@@blitzwing1 Yep. The advantage is that it shows the true strength of an architecture, regardless of frequency.
RUclips will explode with simultaneous ryzen 3000 and navi reviews!
Steve deleted an comment with 80 upvotes and shadow bans users wich pointed out mistakes in this review.
Guys This whole Benchmark is totally flawed! I explain why:
1. computerbase.de showed that the 3900x loses 5% single Core and 3% Multi Core with the boxed cooler compared to when compared to an Noctua Air Cooler! With an AIO the difference should be even greater!
That means all the numbers for Ryzen 3000 in this review are 3-5% LOWER than if it would have been tested with the same cooler as Intel! This is literrally what Principled Technology did!
2. I would bet money that this review did not control for different subtimings when an XMP Profile is loaded! When you load an XMP Profile the Subtimings are calculated wich can be different from Mainboad to Mainboard or Intel Platform to AMD Platform. If you dont't manually set every of the 20+ Subtimings on both Platforms to the same value you will get an difference in Performance!
Guess wich website controls for every RAM Timing? computerbase.de
Steve does not specify if he used the new Chipsetdriver that came out today. Computerbase found that this new driver has a 5% single core performance boost for the 3900x. Also if you use the same harddrive for both platforms it will cost performance for AMD. You should use hdd for different platforms.
So as you can see. Who do you think did an better job at benchmarking? The website wich test how much the cooler makes an difference, how much The Chipsetdriver released today makes an difference, that benchmarked every single CPU with the newest Windows, BIOS update of the last few days.
I can highly recommend to look at the computerbase review. Here is a google translated link. On the bottom is boxed vs noctua performance testing
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2F2019-07%2Famd-ryzen-3000-test%2F2%2F%23abschnitt_gut_gekuehlte_cpus_sind_etwas_schneller
He is an Intel shill, I unsubscribed and never watching his vids ever again!!!
kuxitu1 xD .. ...
kuxitu1 this is a joke right?
@@jowarnis Dont you remeber one of the top comments with 80 upvotes who asked if he used the newest agesa? It has been removed.
@@jowarnis Also you will probably see this comment removed from steve. Look after a few hours or days!
Thank you for doing the memory test. I have not seen anybody else do it and the cost difference between 3200 and 3600 memory is significant. looks like 3200 for me
Test the Ryzen 5 3600 as soon as possible Steve! We need your review! This CPU is amazing! It's the new i5-2500K
well 2500K actually overclocked like a champ ;-) but they are VERY nice these ZEN2 monsters
The review we've ALL been waiting for 🤓🤓🤓
with REAL data...bless this man
I said it back when original Ryzen came out and its even more relevant now, Ryzen would be amazing CPUs for Apple to utilize, considering how amazing they are in terms of productivity. A Ryzen powered imac or even Mac Pro would make total sense, almost no one games on Apple computers anyway. These are great chips, great to see AMD kicking ass again.
Thanks for an awesome review, Steve!
Something you guys might want to look at when seeing those discrepancy's is Linus's Tech tips video. They booted up OBS studio and ran a stream while doing the game benchmark for BF V and it beats the i9 by a significant margin. Meaning it looks like a possible optimization issue. They even dedicated one of the cores to BFV and saw huge improvements. Don't know if they did this on all other games.
But something to look into when you see large discrepancy's.
shit never been this early
hype is real!
Finally! Great job. I'd love to see a comparison with the i7 2600k for 4k rendering. I am guessing it will be a worthwhile upgrade for productivity and some gaming.
Hah, it will absolutely annihilate it, considering it curb stomped even the latest generation Intel chips in rendering.
I strongly recommend that you upgrade if that's what you're looking to use it for!!!
If you don't wanna spend much money, you could even just get a 3600, as even this low-mid tier chip will totally dominate the 2600k. Gamers Nexus have benches of it if you want to see the results for rendering :) - here's a link for that: ruclips.net/video/7AbNeht4tAE/видео.html
Im running a 2700K and have had it overclocked to 4.5Ghz on an AIO for a few years... our old babies will get obliterated by these new chips haha
Gamers Nexus did look back on the 2600K last year: ruclips.net/video/dn9EMlxdCrM/видео.html
@@mduckernz I went with the 3900x and 32gb cl16 3200mhz ram. Might as well go for broke if it lasts half as long as the 2600k. Couldn't justify the cost of 3600mhz ram though, hoping it won't matter much. I feel like a giddy kid building a new system again.
@@redstarsrbija They had a good run! Time to rest after faithful service. Thanks for the link.
@@Glurbschnurb Now THAT is an upgrade, haha! Enjoy your new system (you surely will) 😁👍
The 7700k held up much better than I thought it would
I think is important to mention that the tsmc 7nm silicon is kind of limited by the imposed amd locks so that i stays very efficient and because of that when one of the 3 locks is hit even if the other 2 are not, youre cpu will stop increasing the frequency and you hit that frequency wall. Here are the silicon frequency locks described on the anandtech article:
"Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket.
This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors.
Thermal Design Current (TDC): The maximum amount of current delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators when under thermally constrained scenarios (high temperatures)
This is 60A for 65W TDP processors, and 95A for 105W TDP processors.
Electrical Design Current (EDC): This is the maximum amount of current at any instantaneous short period of time that can be delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators.
This is 90A for 65W TDP processors, and 140A for 105W TDP processors."
I think Intel has a way wider margin on those , and i think is one of the reasons why those intel cpus clock much higher but also draw much more juice , amd wanted those to be efficient , the vrms on x570 are way overdone for those power draw limits, also in terms of cooling wouldnt be a problem for some high end noctua cooler or good aio , but it doesnt matter since your locked by amd and that pbo it think doesnt really cross the power boundaries , or if it does is very limited %
Everyone here right now is from F5 gang xD
Dammit Steve, first to review the Zen 3, first to kill a Zen 3.. You always gotta be number one don't ya :)
Zen 2.
I know its confusing cause its the 3rd gen.
But it goes;
Zen
Zen+
Zen2
after seeing MSI godlike run the 3700x at 1.5v stock I'm not surprised he killed the cpu
@@rage8010 Or maybe I just meant Ry-Zen 3000.. :)
Several of these benchmarks, yours and others, show the 3700x and 3900x scoring the exact same.
On one hand that tells me that the 12 core has extra resources while gaming, which is what I want, but I'd love to see the 3600x in the mix and see how it does.
Excellent, through review. I think I might jump back to AMD after rocking my 4770k for the last 4 years. Please keep up the good work. We all appreciate it.
Congratulations AMD. That's honestly all I have to say.
These results sure do not match very closely what AMD was spreading and selling, now do they?
@@mdd1963 Not at all. Even the 8700k is better and they've been touting ryzen 3000 being better than the 9900k; in gaming.
@@nicholasbalser6901 still 8700k is second best for gaming, They lied (AMD).
@@sasatodorovic9056 It was to be expected, AMD does this kind of thing every release, Epic Fail!
congratulations for what ? giving us 100$ discount on the 2 year old 8700k while being slower for gaming ?
Personally I would never rely on automatic CPU voltage when overclocking. They are notorious for putting too much voltage "just in case", which may not necessarily mean instant death for the CPU but it certainly adds unnecessary stress and heat and reduced lifetime. But LLC also tends to boost the volts. I guess it was too much in this case.
Thanks for being one if the few that says the truth that the differences in gaming between red and blue is practically unnoticeable unless you see the hard numbers
The good thing about not upgrading for 6 years is that no matter what I get it'll be way better than what I have now!