If there’s processing issues with this version, I quit :D j/k there’s too much fun stuff coming up. Hope you enjoy the video guys and sorry for the delay.
Can you do reviews on motherboards? There are so many that are coming to Australia but I don’t know what to get. Right now there seems to only be two motherboards from MSI and Gigabyte in Australia right now.
@@Angel7black people think that amd raised the ihs 3mm specifically because of the X3D versions cause der delidding video literally lowered the temps by 20c
@@Angel7black well you lower the clocks. The 5800X3D proves larger cache is so important that to get similar performance you need massively lower frequencies.
Optimum Tech has the answer to my configuation questions including changing the 95C thermal limit (see Fixing Ryzen 7000). In the BIOS under overclocking there's a configurable entry called "Platform Thermal Throttle Limit", on manual you could run cooler and NEVER avoid triggering excessive fan noise at the price of reducing effective TDP by lowering thermal dissipation. Using the Curve Optimizer to undervolt and setting a power limit can also be done to achieve "decent" behaviour with minimal sacrifice in performance or even a bump.
@@tomtomkowski7653 or ECO 65w mode, even a 7900x with that power limit will tie with an i912900k peak performance. Zen 4 is both super power efficient and super performant.
Small correction to your "CPU + RAM + MOBO" chart: The same kit you're using is now retailing for $210 on newegg taking $70 off what was listed. That's notable and a development I'm quite happy with. When $125-150 B-series boards hit Zen 4 is starting to look attractive.
125-150 usd boards, will be without suitable VRM´s for, and prob bottleneck the cpu´s, unless they found a way to cut cost without hurting vrm quality and overall heatsink usage. the more realistic reality is 250+ board price for a board that can sustain these speeds without coking it self. Afterall X670 starts at an unpresidented 2500+ DKK(300+ usd/euro price + Vat , it seems).
With cpus as fast as they are, you can't go wrong with either AMD or Intel now. Basically, just buy what you can afford and it'll be fast. Here's to hoping these next generation GPUs live up to the hype.
Yeah exactly I think most high end CPUs feel overkill these data. You dont need the latest CPU and GPU to play CS:Go, Dota 2 on Steam or run Excel during your day job.
If you turn down your fans you'll just get less clock speed. Zen 4 boosts until it hits 95C default. Less cooling = less wattage = less clock speed. But you'll hit 95C as soon as you load it up.
So the Chart topping gaming perf is basically a repeat of 5800X, the single CCD removes all the inter CCD latency that can plague 7900/7950X. I'm even more impressed at how it's able to match 3900X and even 5900X at MT, those Zen 4 cores are crazy powerful.
@@ramoraid The 7800X3d is already going to be a beast. If they fixed the issues with dropping core clocks that the has 5800x3d and it can retain some of its boost clock its going an incredible cpu for gaming.
It is not just the single CCD thing, with fewer cores, processors are able to boost clock speeds higher and we all know that games care a lot more about per core performance rather than the no. of cores. 5800x was also the highest all clock-speed of the entire 5000 series. also the infinity fabric will benefit a lot with software, BIOS optimizations and higher memory speed.
Its quite underwhelming, it can barely beat Alder lake and there is next gen Intel cpu coming in next month. Yes in few games it win with massive gain like cggo, but other than that its either worse, same or 5% better at best than the 12700k. The 7600x is in same spot vs 12600k or even worse I would say. If Alder lake just came out, I would say its very impressive, but its not when intel relase next gen with 15% more st perf and 40% more mt. Then both 7600x and 7700x are completely done againt their competitors.
@@eth_saver why would you buy a dead platform out the gate? I got the i5 12gen and I'm regretting the purchase knowing that 13gen might not work on my motherboard that costs me 350+
@@AlexRubio To be honest AM4 was the only time when I had chance to socket in multiple gen of cpus and I wanted to do it. Had X370, the support was completely fd up, so when I bought 5900X I had to get B550 Tomahawk anyway. I dont think people upgrade cpu every year, or even every 2 years, so getting motherboard with potential support for x years maybe dont matter at all, they will get just the better deal. The cost to get Raptor lake 13600k will be the exactly same as for 12600k for new buyers. With AMD the cost will be much higher maybe, for small gain of 5-10%. Instead you can buy just better new gpu from higher tier and get 20-40% more fps that way..
@@tringuyen7519 You will never notice that 20 to 30% fps boost unless you play 1080p low detail with a 3090ti and it will still be slower than Intel in multi-core performance.
Being almost in my 40's, i feel like i'm reliving de days of AMD Durons, Thunderbird, Athlon XP and Athlon 64. I remember drooling for a Athlon Thunderbird 1400+ for glorious frames in Unreal Tournament!!
Just got a 5800x3D. It is completed with a DTX X570 Crosshair, 32gb Tridentz NEO DDR4 3600 c16(not B-die) and an RTX 3080 STrix 10gb OC edition. I now have, almost best of last gen.
@@helder4315 why is that? The hardest I'm pushing my PC is for gaming. Aligning with the consoles for core count, seems to be a good move. Keeping all the data on one CCD is also key to frame time consistency. Read the reviews my man. I could buy the 7950X no issue, but have decided that 5800X3D gaming performance and 5900X productivity performance is perfect right now. I'll upgrade in 3 years time with Zen6
@@nostrum6410 it's the simplest/best chip for the thread scheduler to deal with. That why we see high frame time consistency when compared to the 2 CCD chips.
The MSI MEG X670E ACE listed in your review specs costs the equivalent of about $1000 USD here in Norway. Where is that available for $290 as listed on your cost per frame graph? From the prices I've seen locally so far, I'd say AM5 is priced totally out of the market at the moment, to the point where I could buy a high end AM4 board and a 5800X3D for less than a high end AM5 board without a CPU. It's totally ridiculous.
Hope they release X3D laptops. It could be insane gaming laptop... If they dont kill it with bad DDR5 memories with hidden bottlenecks like high prfc latency. If things go will well, i will replace my 11800h legion in 1.5-2.5 years with 3d ryzen as soon as my 3y warranty comes close to the end.
@@schabigerlump The thing is that the 5800X3D practically doesn't care what memory you throw at it. Even outright shoddy stuff doesn't affect performance more than a few percent. So if AMD does make a laptop X3D part it's going to be a sickening day for Intel.
15:06 I wish you also do benchmarks in ECO mode to see how much performance is lost in ECO mode. This is especially interesting if the cooling solution is not up to the task: is it better to enable ECO mode if the cooler is too small, or to run at stock power but let the CPU throttle itself?
I do not know what power range the cpus use. I would assume the 105w parts use 65w and the 170w parts use 105w as their eco modes. How Zen4 is working (and zen3 and pretty much anything else) that it will downclock itself if your cooling solution isn't good enough. Then again eco mode will more than likely not lose you performance in games, but it would in production or multi thread programs. Example, the 5600x is one of the fastest cpus but it only uses 65w. I can talk in experience with this because I've undervolted and reduced the power my 5800x can use. Stock, it can use up to 142w but I have restricted it to 105w, which is technically the eco mode. I've lost some performance in multi thread programs but I've been able to reduce cpu temp and consume less power with very minor performance loss. In games it overclocks itself anyway any time I'm below 40% usage. After that Temps are too high or power budget is too low and slowly downclocks a bit.
i loved that your review didn't spend 98% of the review talking about value, cost, price to performance. so sick of reviewers being so hung up on the "value". if you want the fastest latest you're going to have to spend the money. shut the F up about value
At the Cost per Frame chart, you should take $100 off of the RAM for the 5800x3d as it doesn't care much about RAM speed, DDR4-3600 only gained 7.2% performance over DDR4-2133. 3600 c14 vs c16 is less than a percentage difference in performance, and a c16 can be picked up for $100 instead of $200 for c14. This would put the cost per frame at 4.49 for the 5800x3d.
Really appreciate the way you guys test. Real world, empirical evidence, sound down to earth advice. You are my now go to for GPU, CPU and monitor stuff for my upcoming build
100% makes the most sense to WAIT until we see what the 13600k and 13700k have to offer. Furthermore, waiting for the Nov 3rd announcement also makes a ton of sense
Both of them are overkill for most gamers using high to ultra settings with 1440p or 4K resolution, even without Ray tracing, which would tax your GPU even more. There will be no noticeable difference between cheap CPU like Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12400 and premium offerings like 7800X, 5800X3D or 13600K if you use anything lower than the best current generation cards, or next gen premium parts. Save your money and get the best GPU you can afford, before wasting your money on a high-end CPU + RAM + MB combo.
@@eastyorkie1972 Yeah, but from time to time there are still some great ones like RDR 2, Elden Ring, etc and I still want to play some of the older games like Wittcher 3.
Please do a 65w bench for 7600x with a normal (not fancy or expensive) cooler. Others have done it not extensively. I think most people are looking for that , once cheaper 650 boards come this would be the optimum way to upgrade with a ddr5 5600 memory.
The AMD EXPO compliant 6000 stuff has already plummeted in price. Steve lists it at $280 for a 2x16GB kit, but the same kit is already going for $210 on newegg. By the time the solid B series boards are out I think it will be a no-brainer to go with the AMD recommended memory, as the price difference will be completely negligible. Then slap a $25 "Noctura ripoff" tower cooler on it (Gamers Nexus found them to be absolutely fine) and let it hit TJMAX as the power limiter.
@@Anankin12 yeah AMD will probably open the year with 3dv to steal some thunder from 13th gen. Then Intel will put out KS to compete with whatever the 3dv does performance wise.
Hey Steve, Resizable Bar/SAM has a negative effect on performance (up to -15%) if enabled when doing CPU Limited benchmarking, F1 2022 is one of them. Always turn off Resizable Bar/SAM if doing CPU benchmarking, you'd be shocked how much faster these titles that are effected can run now!
I am pretty sure that this is going to be a generation, AMD, Intel and Nvidia, that I am going to take a hard pass on. Last gen is really quite good enough for gaming and will be for quite awhile. If game studios get ridiculous in requirements...I have a crap-ton of games in my Epic and Steam to keep me busy for years.
@@wisdoom9153 I game on a 8700 non K, with an Palit RTX 3080 @120 Hz and occasionally on my 65'B9 OLED 4k@120HZ and GSYNC and i do not feel the slightest need to upgrade. I keep checking all these "new-gen" stuff only to understand i do not need any of it.
@@slickysan The biggest problem with AAA on pc is stuttering that hardware cannot solve. Until that gets solved, especially for ue4 there is no incentive for me to upgrade. Consoles have it much better, but game dev cruch is making them having shit performance as well, pokemon, hogwarts etc. This might be a conspiracy but it seems game devs using so much proprietary tech like dlss 3 and 2 which needs to be trained by nvidia themselves before release seems to be incentived by nvidia so that the max settings needs to have the latest and most expensive gpus run well. Maybe the max settings originally did 60fps on the 3080 but nvidia came and told them to make it medium settings instead so that it makes older cards seem obselete, this should be very simple, all they need is one test 4090 card and change parameters on ue4. How come the 3080 just conveniently runs out of video memory for a game now that the 4090 is released? Even if you say game devs optimize for latest and greatest, it doesn't make sense for game devs to cater to the 0.0001% unless they are completely stupid, so nvidia must be paying the devs money for this to happen. Amd likely had something to do with doom 2016 featuring in their ads for vega, which is why it runs so well even on older cards since vegas still performed worse than gtx 1000 series, yet everything to do with nvidia only runs max settings for current 3k cards and perform far worse on amd, not a coincidence I think.
@@Anankin12 it depends, for example when you use DLSS/FSR your internal render resolution will be 1440p or 1080p before it gets upscaled, so i'd aim for something more modern
The real question for me is, how will the Ryzen 7xxx series' "intended" temperatures affect other system component lifespan, GPU, RAM, VRMs, etc. This may be a cause for concern if using a budget case without top ventilation or insufficient airflow. Since all the reviews (regarding the 7xxx series) are of the designated "X" line of CPUs, I'm really curious if the operating temperatures of non-x variants will exhibit the same thermal behavior and what kind of coolers will be included.
watch from 10:24 onwards and you will see that you can improve these temperatures by almost 30 degrees without losing performance. And look, the toilet used was a 240mm ruclips.net/video/AEmhX8PqVi4/видео.html
Since I am still running Zen 2 I think I will skip the expensive Zen 4 upgrade and go to 5800x3d or maybe even 5700x until I see the series 7000 with 3d cache. I use Pc primarily for gaming and for price performance along with MB, memory compatibility the zen 3 part make more sense to me. Luv your content. Pls keep up your fantastic reviews.
Don't buy anything now, Ryzen 7800X3D will be one generation higher in games, just like 5800X3D is compared to 5800X, unless AMD seriously fucks up something.
@@Purjo92 yeah, but a 5800X3D on an existing system will be less than half the price compared to a 7800X3D. But it won't be twice the performance. (5800X3D, assuming 450 price drop, vs 550 7800X3D+200(?) B650e or 400 X670e+150 16gb ddr5+100 cooler, assuming same case and psu=1000 or there abouts)
@@Anankin12 first of all you gott all your numbers wrong AMD said b650 will start at 125 and two why tf y'all keep talking about x670e motherboard which is enthusiast then the regular x670 boards which is cheaper
@@chriswright8074 I think the OP has the right idea. He has a massive upgrade within easy reach for half the price. If he were wanting faster everything such as storage, a new GPU and faster USB ports then he should consider all the new motherboards. If he just wants to get more out of his current GPU or is planning a GPU upgrade later then the 5800X3D makes perfect sense. It's not the fastest possible option but he's not missing out on anything. The saved money can go towards a GPU upgrade which will make the most difference once he has a somewhat better CPU.
@@wayland7150 especially if u game in 1440p, thats even less gains for double the price. Im just waiting for new intels and propably go for 5800x3d as well.
Great job on AMD for a successful zen 4 launch, and not making their newest am4 chip irrelevant. This would probably be the chip I’d buy if I moved over to am5, but it’d make more sense to stay in am4 and just pick up a an X3D chip since performance is near the same in gaming, and I don’t really use my cpu for much else (sometimes music production and streaming)
Thats what I am currently debating. I initially wanted to upgrade to AM5 and switch this 3700X out with the 7700X. But looking all the benchmarks the 5800X3D really hangs in there. And maybe by the time the 7000 series 3D parts land the motherboard landscape might have seen some price reductions.
@@pronstorestiffi motherboard and DDR5 prices will certainly go down and ryzen 70003d will have overclocking support and better cache packaging for higher clock speeds and less haet compared to 5800x3d which had to reduce the clock speed significantly against the 5800x.
@@pronstorestiffi ive got the 5800x3d and its a little monster but if i was going to move from a 3700x and if gaming is really youre only thing i would wait ( as im going to do ) for the 7000x3d cpu's before i upgrade i may invest in a X670e itx board soon just to offset the cost over a period but the ddr5 i think im going to watch and see how it matures / drops in price between now and the 3d v cache cpu's !!
Did the same. bought the R7 5800x3D instead. My motherboard was to new, to replace it (MSI X570S Edge max wifi) And still have 64GB DDR4 3600 CL CLocked at 3800Mhz For me Zen4 does not make sense.. Then need to spend a lot more money for that little more.. I will keep it with 5800x3D for a couple of years.. Replace only when it need it to.
I love your well made review and benchmarks. The best of all in my opinion that you have the game factorio in you portfolio. After seeing this enormous performance increase with a AMD 5800X3D i have bought one. Keep up your good work and im exited to see further benchmarks. Subscription is made :)
The 7700X is a really nice CPU - combine it with a great Asus Hero mainboard and some DDR5 6000 sticks a you have a cheap and powerful mid-class system !
After seeing all these reviews I decided to do a new build and just go AM4 with 5800x3d for my use this is beast🤘. The more reviews I watch the more certain I am of this choice.
This is the only review I've seen thus far where the 5800X3D doesn't spank the 7000 all over. These new cpus have issues, they're like a refresh, kinda disgusting cash grab tbh. They're simply not up to speed. Nicely comparing them to a near year old intel cpu isn't amusing me either. "it's going good" no its not.
Great content as always, but I would like to suggest adding to the power graph the "eco mode" at 65w and 105w respectively, the results seen from other sources are quite impressive.
I got my new 7700x today, CYBERPUNK IS SO AWESOME NOW, with this cpu, isntead of 7th gen intel 7700k, its so smoth 120 fps and 96 lows instead of 45 lows! Still will need to learn mobo and tweak it myself it seems though.
Or leave your 5600X alone, it's, fine yes it's slower than the 5800X3D and the 1% lows in particular on the 5800X3D will be much higher but if you are gaming at 1440p or 4K then it's probably a 6% to 10% improvement in FPS so probably not worth it.
Thank you for all your hard work. Thanks to all this data you showed us, I can see that as owner of am4 ryzen 5 3700x that best path to upgrade is to r7 5800x3D and wait for next few years. almost same performance for 1/3 of price.
@@froznfire9531 no DDR5 needed and no brand new motherboard. Potentially also no much stronger cooler required. The 7000 series CPUs target 94C as the normal operating temperature!!
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 As videos show, you can easily set the target temp to 70-80 and power to 80-90W and still get pretty much the same performance so thats not a big worry imo. Mainboard yes, they are really pricy. Starts at 260 in the US, 100$ for the RAM. Still by far less than 1/3 difference though because the 7700x is cheaper.
@@froznfire9531 I wrote as owner of am4 ryzen 5 3700x, so in that upgrade calc is that I already have am4 MB and ddr4 ram, so when i calc all this in my CZK currency to euro - r7 5800x3d is 486e vs 360e for MB + 304e for good G.SKILL 32gb 6000MHz CL36, could go with Kingston FURY 32GB KIT DDR5 5600MHz CL40 for 220e and 7600x/7700x/7900x/7950x is 352e/470e/649e/835e so if we go with ram then cost spread is from 1016-1134-1313-1499, so getting just 5800x3d is just 47.8%/42.8%/37%/32% of cost of good ram, lower end of high end(picked one of cheapest in whole list, others are more then 100e+ more) of X670E. So yes, 1/3 of cost. I stand by what I said.
@@froznfire9531 OP is on AM4 all he needs is the CPU. Until recently there were discounts on the 5800X3D. Ironically the 7000 series benchmarks and costs seem to have made the 5800X3D very popular and its price has gone up🤦
still rockin my r5 3600 that i got for $180 like a year or two ago..... 6cores for $300 and 8cores for $400 isnt going to cut it since everything is becoming more expensive these days
Very thorough, thanks for taking the time to do all this, looking forward to your extensive benches on the arrival of the next gen AMD cards. Living in the UK where paying your electricity bill's becoming a bit of a nightmare, I'm very happy with my 5600X\RTX3070 combo, very efficient and decent performance, should keep me happy for the next 2-3 years. :)
i highly recommend capping your games at 60/90/120 fps as well, that can lower gpu usage, with in turn will lower your largest (230w) power usage part in your pc. You can also downclock the card via afterburner, does the same in the end.
@@AdaaDK Hi there, I'm under-volting via Afterburner, I'm not noticing any hit to framerate, however, it's running much cooler/quieter and knocks around 25-40 watts off when maxed, I enjoy tweaking. :) I'll also experiment with capping as you suggested, thank you. :)
I want to get my hands into this new gen. I personally was looking for the 7600X but honestly, I think buying a CPU that will deliver 5800X performance doesn't seem logic for me (already owning the 5800X). I think I'll try to get the 7950X but once I save all the money required to buy everything at once and not part-by-part.
@@patuel1 Yea true. I also have a 5800X, and since it's now in the middle of the chart, it looks like I might need to upgrade, but even so the 5800X is still really fast and will do everything I need for the forseeable future.
X670 board prices will also fall over the next month or so. The value proposition for Zen 4 will very likely change notably when you do your Raptor Lake reviews. As an aside, I think you should put a little more emphasis on the difference in performance between DDR4 and DDR5 versions of the Intel chips, as a lot of people are conflating the two when talking about how Zen 4 compares, believing they can get way more performance with the cheaper DDR4 option than they actually can.
Not bad. So there's no "7800x". Perhaps they still release a "7800X3D" soon? It looks like AMD learned something from their 5000 series release schedule.
From what I have seen from PC World the gap between a thermally maxed out Zen 4 CPU and the one with limited power is not that big. Going to 105W, you are at most going to only be 5-10% slower.
@@nipa5961 did you order the 7700x? im studying what to buy, but not to sure yet. i think im going for 7700x with ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI motherboard. Already bought a 3060ti(gddr6x) u_u but trying to sell it so i can buy a 4070 hahaha any advice will be well taken
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 Yes, I ordered the 7700X and paired it with the ASRock X670E Steel Legend. There is a sale going on in my area right now giving you a 90€ discount if you order a Zen4 CPU and a X670E board at the same time so I finally pulled the trigger.
@Hardware Unboxed: Since you are using the optimal memory (according to AMD) for the 7000-series, wouldn't it be fair to use the optimal memory for 5800X3D (3800MHz CL16)? Surely that would close the gap up to the 7700X or even overtake it.
Correct me if im wrong but the 5800X3D doesnt need the fastest ram as much because of the massive cache, so fast memory doest scale as well on the 5800x3d. HU already tested this i think
@@BlackJesus8463 I think every single B550 or X570 motherboard can handle 3800MHz memory with ease, even the budget boards. But here they don't use budget motherboards, they use high end (800 USD+?) stuff so of course you use a high-end motherboard for 5800X3D too.
@@Sinesterr That may be the case, I don't know. But that's why I want high speed memory for the 5800X3D (and the rest of the 5000-series) to be included in the upcoming 40 games+ benchmarks. That would make the fairest comparison between the CPUs.
@@Trollkonto Max memory spped for a 5800X3D is listed at 3200 and it depends on rank. The whole point of v-cache is to minimize the RAM bottleneck and it uses less power than the 5800X so you are wasting money on an expensive mobo and RAM.
something i feel obliged to point out.... even though Raptor lake is likely to take the performance crown when it releases, briefly... its the last generation that will be supported on its platform... whereas Ryzen 7000 is the first on a platfom that will likely last several generations.
Really wished you would include Undervolting testing with PBO2. Zen 4 has same problems like zen 3 had, way too high voltage out of the box and way too high temperature. Please include undervolting Too!!!
Optimum Tech has a great video on this, including altering thermal/power throttle. You were lucky with your Zen3 sample, as on curve optimizer my 2 fastest cores, would only take a -10mV offset in curve optimizer. I think some motherboards set higher voltages than my X570 Aorus Elite from comments I've seen talking about default voltages.
@@RobBCactive I had X570 aorus elite and 5800x by default gigabyte motherboard has huge issues with overvolting Every cpu you put in, I don't understand why nobody talks about it. Its huge problem since zen 2. I had r5 3600 since day one and gigabyte motherboard would like to put voltage between 1.4-1.5v resulting into cpu throttling and underclocking. Same behaviour with 5800x at stock it would work at 1.45v ant only give 4.3ghz all core frequiency ant sitting at 90C, after curve optimizer i managed to get stable 4.7ghz all core in cinebench ant 4.85ghz in gaming and temperature dropped to 65c. Optimum tech also got gigabyte motherboard and i see that his 7700x suffers with same problem. No wonder he could put negative offset 30, because his 7700x is overvolted so much....it could go that low... you wouldn't see that behaviour on MSI motherboards tho... PLEASE do you own investigation, i am pretty sick commenting each time and this issue goes by every time unnoticed, only people in reddit or people with this problem knows what am talking about.
Kinda wondering if I should just buy a 5800x3d on my current board to maximize it, rather than spend on a whole new setup. It's still very competitive and I don't see games destroying it for many years, if at all.
Yeah that's what I intend to do when prices drop nearer the end of the year. The way I see it, upgrading my 3600 to the 5800x3d will give me ~90% the performance of an AM5 platform upgrade at ~1/3rd the cost.
I agree, I think the 7700x should be $350, the 7600x should be $250. I think lower end Zen 4 will have a difficult time with the 13600K, that chip looks to be very competitive.
After this test, I have to re-evaluate my initial negative impression about the 7700X! It makes much more sense now after seeing these unexpected results. Unfortunately, as far as it concerns 4k gaming, there is no need to go from Zen 2 yet, unless the new video cards from Nvidia and AMD expose some significant shortcomings when compared to newer models.
You can keep your ryzen 2600 for 8 more years. CPUs don't really fail over time. You won't see a difference with your GTX 970 if buying 7700X. CPUs don't increase framerates. Your GTX 970 is good for 4K ultra with Ryzen 2600 for 8 more years easily.
@@steamstories1279 I have a 3950X and an Nvidia RTX 3080 at the moment. CPUs only increase framerates where CPU-based computations between frames take longer than GPU-based computations. Which is usually the case at very low resolutions for modern GPUs. At high resolutions like 4k it's almost always the other way around, still there is an opening with new GPUs coming up. We'll have to wait and see whether that's the case.
How was that 15204 score achieved on 5800X? Mine does 14200'ish out of the box with PBO and max oc is 15150. This is when cinebench priority is set to above average. I wonder if my x470-pro mobo is holding me back?
Configuring this 7700X to use less power (as for Optimum Tech latest video) and with the slightly better RAM configuration (as for your tests in the first Ryzen 7000 video review), this would be a beast for gaming, even more.
If you want the best there will be in the near future, wait for 7800X3D, it will be one generation better than 7800X, just like 5800X3D was compared to 5800X.
@@yoyo-nf1ww 4K is GPU bound. All modern CPUs would have similar performance to one another. It's why you test CPUs at as low a resolution as possible. Lower resolutions are more CPU bound
I dont like allmost all reviewers using 600+ USD/EU priced boards + expensive AIO´s on 7000 series. I would have liked a more realistic look from a hyper212/Noctua NH-D14/15 kinda cooling. to see if it influences preformance a lot, same that i hope we see a big time Mhz + cache latency breakdown on influence on Ryzen 7000 seires over the next month or so.
Best buy from AM5 lineup imo, all the problems with this release is the cheaper boards. Issue that we need to see is what coolers can keep the temperature under control.
Are you looking at doing some testing on the 7000 range in the various eco modes, comparing performance per watt and efficiency at each level? Looking at what the actual preformance gap is between the various eco modes and default full on mode.
Zen 4 is very impressive and competition is at full tilt. Its crazy to see the the changes in the CPU market after the first Ryzen release. Its a completely different world from only a few years ago. The cpu market had stagnated for a decade with AMD not really competing at intels level. Now 8 core desktop Cpus are the norm and the prices are equal to an i7 quad core. Raptor lake is incoming, its gonna be an all out brawl, Im not sure if AMDs gains are enough this generation, I guess we will see before the end of the year!
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If there’s processing issues with this version, I quit :D
j/k there’s too much fun stuff coming up. Hope you enjoy the video guys and sorry for the delay.
Can you do reviews on motherboards? There are so many that are coming to Australia but I don’t know what to get. Right now there seems to only be two motherboards from MSI and Gigabyte in Australia right now.
We're already in the process of testing motherboards ;)
In short, wait for the 7800X 3D then, please(ಡωಡ)！...
Before it was basically only with Specs and in Hitman 3.
Why aren't benchmarks run with lowest settings to avoid reaching the limits of the GPU? This would make sense when testing the CPU's no?
Can't wait for the 3D cache version. This looks dope!
These things run 95c constantly, i cant imagine the vcache version not being at 100c atleast and having any longevity
@@Angel7black people think that amd raised the ihs 3mm specifically because of the X3D versions cause der delidding video literally lowered the temps by 20c
Will there be a 7700x3d specifically?
7800X3D gonna cost more than a 7900X for sure
@@Angel7black well you lower the clocks. The 5800X3D proves larger cache is so important that to get similar performance you need massively lower frequencies.
I love how each Steve started from the other end, and they both eventually converged into the 7700X.
Optimum Tech has the answer to my configuation questions including changing the 95C thermal limit (see Fixing Ryzen 7000).
In the BIOS under overclocking there's a configurable entry called "Platform Thermal Throttle Limit", on manual you could run cooler and NEVER avoid triggering excessive fan noise at the price of reducing effective TDP by lowering thermal dissipation. Using the Curve Optimizer to undervolt and setting a power limit can also be done to achieve "decent" behaviour with minimal sacrifice in performance or even a bump.
Easier would be just set ZEN 4 into ECO 105 mode.
I saw the video. He did a great job.
@@tomtomkowski7653 I think he mentions in the video that it is not as effective
@@tomtomkowski7653 or ECO 65w mode, even a 7900x with that power limit will tie with an i912900k peak performance. Zen 4 is both super power efficient and super performant.
I am definitely going to watch that
Always impressed with the amount of work that goes in to getting all these results. Appreciated you HU
Small correction to your "CPU + RAM + MOBO" chart: The same kit you're using is now retailing for $210 on newegg taking $70 off what was listed. That's notable and a development I'm quite happy with. When $125-150 B-series boards hit Zen 4 is starting to look attractive.
125-150 usd boards, will be without suitable VRM´s for, and prob bottleneck the cpu´s, unless they found a way to cut cost without hurting vrm quality and overall heatsink usage. the more realistic reality is 250+ board price for a board that can sustain these speeds without coking it self. Afterall X670 starts at an unpresidented 2500+ DKK(300+ usd/euro price + Vat , it seems).
The cheapest 6400C32 kit I see there (lacks Steve's RGB btw) is $266.
His combo for the AM4 motherboard should've been like $120. AM4 boards are cheap af. You could honestly buy one for $60 and be fine.
@@weasle2904 not at launch.
@@brosplit who cares? The point is to compare the costs between platforms for buyers right now
With cpus as fast as they are, you can't go wrong with either AMD or Intel now. Basically, just buy what you can afford and it'll be fast. Here's to hoping these next generation GPUs live up to the hype.
True, but AMD socket last 3-5+ years you can't ignore. Talk about investment.
@@FaridRudiansyah spending €500 in a board isn't an investment lol
@@0QualityOverQuantity bullshit. AMD has long socket lifetimes, and even with the complete overhauls of Zen 2 and 3. Only Intel does the 2 year socket
@@FaridRudiansyah doesn't really matter if you only upgrade CPUs every 5 years tho
Yeah exactly I think most high end CPUs feel overkill these data. You dont need the latest CPU and GPU to play CS:Go, Dota 2 on Steam or run Excel during your day job.
Thanks! Is PBO enabled by default on x670? Is there a way to run it in a more traditional way without your fan running at 100% all the time?
If you turn down your fans you'll just get less clock speed. Zen 4 boosts until it hits 95C default. Less cooling = less wattage = less clock speed. But you'll hit 95C as soon as you load it up.
Thanks for the support mate. The fans won't ramp up to 100% at 95c, as AMD said this is the target. PBO is not enabled by default.
Some reviewers found that using a curve offset and a lower power limit, can maintain most performance while reducing temperatures drastically.
Delidding alone reduced temps by 20degC, the IHS for this gen is unusually thicc
@@TAP7a but risky.
Would love to see the ECO Mode tested :)
So the Chart topping gaming perf is basically a repeat of 5800X, the single CCD removes all the inter CCD latency that can plague 7900/7950X.
I'm even more impressed at how it's able to match 3900X and even 5900X at MT, those Zen 4 cores are crazy powerful.
the 7800x3d would be insane if it ever comes out
@@ramoraid Q1 next year
@@ramoraid The 7800X3d is already going to be a beast. If they fixed the issues with dropping core clocks that the has 5800x3d and it can retain some of its boost clock its going an incredible cpu for gaming.
It is not just the single CCD thing, with fewer cores, processors are able to boost clock speeds higher and we all know that games care a lot more about per core performance rather than the no. of cores. 5800x was also the highest all clock-speed of the entire 5000 series. also the infinity fabric will benefit a lot with software, BIOS optimizations and higher memory speed.
"Zen 4 cores are crazy powerful"
Because they are launched pre overclocked with underwhelming IPC gains and explains the temps.
This is crazy! Can't wait to see what AMD has for us with the upcoming GPU's. Exciting times.
Its quite underwhelming, it can barely beat Alder lake and there is next gen Intel cpu coming in next month. Yes in few games it win with massive gain like cggo, but other than that its either worse, same or 5% better at best than the 12700k. The 7600x is in same spot vs 12600k or even worse I would say. If Alder lake just came out, I would say its very impressive, but its not when intel relase next gen with 15% more st perf and 40% more mt. Then both 7600x and 7700x are completely done againt their competitors.
@@eth_saver AMD launches the 7800X3D in January for $450. It will beat the 13700K by 20 to 30%. Buying Intel right now would be silly.
@@eth_saver why would you buy a dead platform out the gate? I got the i5 12gen and I'm regretting the purchase knowing that 13gen might not work on my motherboard that costs me 350+
@@AlexRubio To be honest AM4 was the only time when I had chance to socket in multiple gen of cpus and I wanted to do it. Had X370, the support was completely fd up, so when I bought 5900X I had to get B550 Tomahawk anyway.
I dont think people upgrade cpu every year, or even every 2 years, so getting motherboard with potential support for x years maybe dont matter at all, they will get just the better deal.
The cost to get Raptor lake 13600k will be the exactly same as for 12600k for new buyers. With AMD the cost will be much higher maybe, for small gain of 5-10%. Instead you can buy just better new gpu from higher tier and get 20-40% more fps that way..
@@tringuyen7519 You will never notice that 20 to 30% fps boost unless you play 1080p low detail with a 3090ti and it will still be slower than Intel in multi-core performance.
2 years later, bought mine for $220 for a server, very happy with it.
Being almost in my 40's, i feel like i'm reliving de days of AMD Durons, Thunderbird, Athlon XP and Athlon 64.
I remember drooling for a Athlon Thunderbird 1400+ for glorious frames in Unreal Tournament!!
Glory days for AMD!
I remember when I got my 1.2 GB thunderbird
Heady days
Just got a 5800x3D. It is completed with a DTX X570 Crosshair, 32gb Tridentz NEO DDR4 3600 c16(not B-die) and an RTX 3080 STrix 10gb OC edition. I now have, almost best of last gen.
Love the Greg the garlic farmer you slipped in there lol. Well done!
Thanks for all the Zen 4 reviews! Please investigate the eco modes and efficiency soon.
Cant wait for your review of the 13600k, gonna be really interesting stuff!
Agreed! Won't be long now ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed and when could that possibly happen?
@@pcenthusiastbd894 prob around 3 weeks because 13th gen launches on the 20th
Yeah last night it leaked 13600k stock scooted over 24k in r23. So a 320$ chip that only boosts to 5.1 will oc to 7900x performance 😳
@@yoltsbp lol based on 1 app? do you even render on your PC?
Was looking forward to your take! Ordered this yesterday, 5900X level productivity and Single CCD latency for gaming!
But still buying a 8 Core part in 2022 makes no sense to me, just saying. I'm wating for the 3d version to see if i Change my mind :)
i really wouldn't expect the 7700x being best at gaming to always be true, this was in margin of error within every other 7000 cpu
@@helder4315 why is that? The hardest I'm pushing my PC is for gaming. Aligning with the consoles for core count, seems to be a good move. Keeping all the data on one CCD is also key to frame time consistency. Read the reviews my man. I could buy the 7950X no issue, but have decided that 5800X3D gaming performance and 5900X productivity performance is perfect right now. I'll upgrade in 3 years time with Zen6
@@nostrum6410 it's the simplest/best chip for the thread scheduler to deal with. That why we see high frame time consistency when compared to the 2 CCD chips.
@@shaunlunney7551 for me não buying 8 cores today is liking buying 4 cores a couple years ago but i understand your point of view.
At 07:00 we get a Spoiler for the performance of the Ryzen 9 7900x. Somehow it sneaked in there ;)
The MSI MEG X670E ACE listed in your review specs costs the equivalent of about $1000 USD here in Norway. Where is that available for $290 as listed on your cost per frame graph? From the prices I've seen locally so far, I'd say AM5 is priced totally out of the market at the moment, to the point where I could buy a high end AM4 board and a 5800X3D for less than a high end AM5 board without a CPU. It's totally ridiculous.
Thanks!
The X3D parts are going to be monsters.
That will chew raptor lake and next coming lake too,with four year motherboard support . Ryzen gonna kill Intel.
@@vmafarah9473 only thing they gonna kill is people's pockets.. in addition to causing house fires haha
Hope they release X3D laptops. It could be insane gaming laptop... If they dont kill it with bad DDR5 memories with hidden bottlenecks like high prfc latency. If things go will well, i will replace my 11800h legion in 1.5-2.5 years with 3d ryzen as soon as my 3y warranty comes close to the end.
@@schabigerlump The thing is that the 5800X3D practically doesn't care what memory you throw at it. Even outright shoddy stuff doesn't affect performance more than a few percent. So if AMD does make a laptop X3D part it's going to be a sickening day for Intel.
105c guaranteed.
15:06 I wish you also do benchmarks in ECO mode to see how much performance is lost in ECO mode. This is especially interesting if the cooling solution is not up to the task: is it better to enable ECO mode if the cooler is too small, or to run at stock power but let the CPU throttle itself?
I do not know what power range the cpus use. I would assume the 105w parts use 65w and the 170w parts use 105w as their eco modes. How Zen4 is working (and zen3 and pretty much anything else) that it will downclock itself if your cooling solution isn't good enough. Then again eco mode will more than likely not lose you performance in games, but it would in production or multi thread programs. Example, the 5600x is one of the fastest cpus but it only uses 65w. I can talk in experience with this because I've undervolted and reduced the power my 5800x can use. Stock, it can use up to 142w but I have restricted it to 105w, which is technically the eco mode. I've lost some performance in multi thread programs but I've been able to reduce cpu temp and consume less power with very minor performance loss. In games it overclocks itself anyway any time I'm below 40% usage. After that Temps are too high or power budget is too low and slowly downclocks a bit.
Will you do review compare 1700x 2700 x3700 7700X in gaming between 1080p + 1440p + 4K?
I wanna see how 4 different generations jump
i loved that your review didn't spend 98% of the review talking about value, cost, price to performance. so sick of reviewers being so hung up on the "value". if you want the fastest latest you're going to have to spend the money. shut the F up about value
Great job as susal Steve! Next gen GPUs will maybe make those new CPUs look much better dinstanced in gaming by removing the GPU bottlenecks.
At the Cost per Frame chart, you should take $100 off of the RAM for the 5800x3d as it doesn't care much about RAM speed, DDR4-3600 only gained 7.2% performance over DDR4-2133. 3600 c14 vs c16 is less than a percentage difference in performance, and a c16 can be picked up for $100 instead of $200 for c14. This would put the cost per frame at 4.49 for the 5800x3d.
Really appreciate the way you guys test. Real world, empirical evidence, sound down to earth advice. You are my now go to for GPU, CPU and monitor stuff for my upcoming build
Here I am watching this review, and my next tab is the latest VLDL video.
"Ah! Adventurer!"
100% makes the most sense to WAIT until we see what the 13600k and 13700k have to offer. Furthermore, waiting for the Nov 3rd announcement also makes a ton of sense
Even compared to 12th gen, there isn’t much incentive.
dont forget about X3D either.
100% makes the most sense to WAIT until your last day alive to purchase whatever is the fastest CPU by then :P
@@merlingt1 For gaming I would agree, if you do a lot of productivity work, that is a totally different story.
1:50 "Hello Adventurer!" It's Greeeeeeeg!!!
I can't wait to see both the 13600k and the 7800x3d. What a good time for gamers!
Both of them are overkill for most gamers using high to ultra settings with 1440p or 4K resolution, even without Ray tracing, which would tax your GPU even more. There will be no noticeable difference between cheap CPU like Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12400 and premium offerings like 7800X, 5800X3D or 13600K if you use anything lower than the best current generation cards, or next gen premium parts. Save your money and get the best GPU you can afford, before wasting your money on a high-end CPU + RAM + MB combo.
@@Purjo92 I am getting the best CPU AND best GPU.
except prices have risen so much for both sides that it doesnt really.
Great specs for gamers but the games we seem to be getting are just rinse repeat..
@@eastyorkie1972 Yeah, but from time to time there are still some great ones like RDR 2, Elden Ring, etc and I still want to play some of the older games like Wittcher 3.
Just got a Asus x670 Maximus extreme with 7700x. Sold my old computer about 4 or 5 months ago finally time to build again LETS GOOOO!!!
Please do a 65w bench for 7600x with a normal (not fancy or expensive) cooler. Others have done it not extensively. I think most people are looking for that , once cheaper 650 boards come this would be the optimum way to upgrade with a ddr5 5600 memory.
The AMD EXPO compliant 6000 stuff has already plummeted in price. Steve lists it at $280 for a 2x16GB kit, but the same kit is already going for $210 on newegg. By the time the solid B series boards are out I think it will be a no-brainer to go with the AMD recommended memory, as the price difference will be completely negligible. Then slap a $25 "Noctura ripoff" tower cooler on it (Gamers Nexus found them to be absolutely fine) and let it hit TJMAX as the power limiter.
Ready to build a PC right after both brands have released their full stack and price competition is in full effect.
So... January to February?
@@Anankin12 hopefully, if amd and Intel get their posturing over with quick and put out the 3dv and KS models.
@@attemptityourself5662 Intel said next year, I don't see why AMD would kill their own sales and pricing by releasing now and not next year, too.
@@Anankin12 yeah AMD will probably open the year with 3dv to steal some thunder from 13th gen. Then Intel will put out KS to compete with whatever the 3dv does performance wise.
@@attemptityourself5662 it's gon b good :D
Hey Steve, Resizable Bar/SAM has a negative effect on performance (up to -15%) if enabled when doing CPU Limited benchmarking, F1 2022 is one of them. Always turn off Resizable Bar/SAM if doing CPU benchmarking, you'd be shocked how much faster these titles that are effected can run now!
If prices are the same for 13th gen this is going to be a big generation for intel.
I am pretty sure that this is going to be a generation, AMD, Intel and Nvidia, that I am going to take a hard pass on. Last gen is really quite good enough for gaming and will be for quite awhile. If game studios get ridiculous in requirements...I have a crap-ton of games in my Epic and Steam to keep me busy for years.
Don't worry, unless game dev hates money, or it's terribly optimized, they won't crank up system req *that* much
@@wisdoom9153 I game on a 8700 non K, with an Palit RTX 3080 @120 Hz and occasionally on my 65'B9 OLED 4k@120HZ and GSYNC and i do not feel the slightest need to upgrade. I keep checking all these "new-gen" stuff only to understand i do not need any of it.
@@slickysan The biggest problem with AAA on pc is stuttering that hardware cannot solve. Until that gets solved, especially for ue4 there is no incentive for me to upgrade. Consoles have it much better, but game dev cruch is making them having shit performance as well, pokemon, hogwarts etc.
This might be a conspiracy but it seems game devs using so much proprietary tech like dlss 3 and 2 which needs to be trained by nvidia themselves before release seems to be incentived by nvidia so that the max settings needs to have the latest and most expensive gpus run well.
Maybe the max settings originally did 60fps on the 3080 but nvidia came and told them to make it medium settings instead so that it makes older cards seem obselete, this should be very simple, all they need is one test 4090 card and change parameters on ue4. How come the 3080 just conveniently runs out of video memory for a game now that the 4090 is released? Even if you say game devs optimize for latest and greatest, it doesn't make sense for game devs to cater to the 0.0001% unless they are completely stupid, so nvidia must be paying the devs money for this to happen. Amd likely had something to do with doom 2016 featuring in their ads for vega, which is why it runs so well even on older cards since vegas still performed worse than gtx 1000 series, yet everything to do with nvidia only runs max settings for current 3k cards and perform far worse on amd, not a coincidence I think.
Would love to see a video about the minimum CPU requirements for 4K gaming once the new GPUs are available including old CPUs
Probably 2600X would be good enough.
The limiting factor with resolution is the GPU, not the CPU.
@@Anankin12 it depends, for example when you use DLSS/FSR your internal render resolution will be 1440p or 1080p before it gets upscaled, so i'd aim for something more modern
@@ThunderingRoar the work is done on GPU, is it not? The CPU is marginal if you are using 4K, I think
@@Anankin12 Steve has found differences up to 32% between the 5800X and 5800X3D at 4K.
@@KimBoKastekniv47 with a 3090 Ti. What happens on a 3060 Ti or 3070?
The real question for me is, how will the Ryzen 7xxx series' "intended" temperatures affect other system component lifespan, GPU, RAM, VRMs, etc. This may be a cause for concern if using a budget case without top ventilation or insufficient airflow. Since all the reviews (regarding the 7xxx series) are of the designated "X" line of CPUs, I'm really curious if the operating temperatures of non-x variants will exhibit the same thermal behavior and what kind of coolers will be included.
watch from 10:24 onwards and you will see that you can improve these temperatures by almost 30 degrees without losing performance.
And look, the toilet used was a 240mm
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Don't use $30 case for Ryzen 7000.
Those temps are likely local hot spots within the cpu. For the air in the case all that matters is the power consumed, not the temp
Glad to see/hear the new outro music being properly timed now :D
Since I am still running Zen 2 I think I will skip the expensive Zen 4 upgrade and go to 5800x3d or maybe even 5700x until I see the series 7000 with 3d cache. I use Pc primarily for gaming and for price performance along with MB, memory compatibility the zen 3 part make more sense to me.
Luv your content. Pls keep up your fantastic reviews.
Don't buy anything now, Ryzen 7800X3D will be one generation higher in games, just like 5800X3D is compared to 5800X, unless AMD seriously fucks up something.
@@Purjo92 yeah, but a 5800X3D on an existing system will be less than half the price compared to a 7800X3D. But it won't be twice the performance.
(5800X3D, assuming 450 price drop, vs 550 7800X3D+200(?) B650e or 400 X670e+150 16gb ddr5+100 cooler, assuming same case and psu=1000 or there abouts)
@@Anankin12 first of all you gott all your numbers wrong AMD said b650 will start at 125 and two why tf y'all keep talking about x670e motherboard which is enthusiast then the regular x670 boards which is cheaper
@@chriswright8074 I think the OP has the right idea. He has a massive upgrade within easy reach for half the price. If he were wanting faster everything such as storage, a new GPU and faster USB ports then he should consider all the new motherboards. If he just wants to get more out of his current GPU or is planning a GPU upgrade later then the 5800X3D makes perfect sense. It's not the fastest possible option but he's not missing out on anything. The saved money can go towards a GPU upgrade which will make the most difference once he has a somewhat better CPU.
@@wayland7150 especially if u game in 1440p, thats even less gains for double the price. Im just waiting for new intels and propably go for 5800x3d as well.
If your a gamer and don't need an upgrade now, I would really wait for the 3d versions.
Great job on AMD for a successful zen 4 launch, and not making their newest am4 chip irrelevant. This would probably be the chip I’d buy if I moved over to am5, but it’d make more sense to stay in am4 and just pick up a an X3D chip since performance is near the same in gaming, and I don’t really use my cpu for much else (sometimes music production and streaming)
Thats what I am currently debating. I initially wanted to upgrade to AM5 and switch this 3700X out with the 7700X. But looking all the benchmarks the 5800X3D really hangs in there. And maybe by the time the 7000 series 3D parts land the motherboard landscape might have seen some price reductions.
@@pronstorestiffi motherboard and DDR5 prices will certainly go down and ryzen 70003d will have overclocking support and better cache packaging for higher clock speeds and less haet compared to 5800x3d which had to reduce the clock speed significantly against the 5800x.
I think the same as you. I want to wait for the new x3D version to make up my mind.
@@pronstorestiffi ive got the 5800x3d and its a little monster but if i was going to move from a 3700x and if gaming is really youre only thing i would wait ( as im going to do ) for the 7000x3d cpu's before i upgrade i may invest in a X670e itx board soon just to offset the cost over a period but the ddr5 i think im going to watch and see how it matures / drops in price between now and the 3d v cache cpu's !!
Did the same. bought the R7 5800x3D instead. My motherboard was to new, to replace it (MSI X570S Edge max wifi) And still have 64GB DDR4 3600 CL CLocked at 3800Mhz
For me Zen4 does not make sense.. Then need to spend a lot more money for that little more.. I will keep it with 5800x3D for a couple of years.. Replace only when it need it to.
It's a good start for AM5.Beating the 5800x3d is all it needed to do.
I love your well made review and benchmarks. The best of all in my opinion that you have the game factorio in you portfolio. After seeing this enormous performance increase with a AMD 5800X3D i have bought one. Keep up your good work and im exited to see further benchmarks. Subscription is made :)
The 7700X is a really nice CPU - combine it with a great Asus Hero mainboard and some DDR5 6000 sticks a you have a cheap and powerful mid-class system !
The price on the CPU doesn't bug me, the price of the motherboards do.
For $400 it’s pushing it for a 7700X. If it ever goes on sale for $350 then personally I’d snag one up
After seeing all these reviews I decided to do a new build and just go AM4 with 5800x3d for my use this is beast🤘. The more reviews I watch the more certain I am of this choice.
This is the only review I've seen thus far where the 5800X3D doesn't spank the 7000 all over. These new cpus have issues, they're like a refresh, kinda disgusting cash grab tbh. They're simply not up to speed.
Nicely comparing them to a near year old intel cpu isn't amusing me either. "it's going good" no its not.
@@Ionstorm just finished my new build last night happy as with it! Few stress tests and fan curves to work out now but I'm happy as!
@@Ionstorm the 7000 series has a perfectly fine improvement over the 5000 series, it’s just that the 5800X3D is a monster at gaming
@@thebcwonder4850 best comment xD lmao
@@Ionstorm I’m still probably going to get a 5950X
this cpu is now being bundled with a b650 and 32gb of ddr5.. for $370 :O
Great content as always, but I would like to suggest adding to the power graph the "eco mode" at 65w and 105w respectively, the results seen from other sources are quite impressive.
I got my new 7700x today, CYBERPUNK IS SO AWESOME NOW, with this cpu, isntead of 7th gen intel 7700k, its so smoth 120 fps and 96 lows instead of 45 lows! Still will need to learn mobo and tweak it myself it seems though.
Thanks Steve. Guess I'll just upgrade my 5600X to 5800X3d and pair a good 32GB DDR4 memory. to last until Zen 5.
Or leave your 5600X alone, it's, fine yes it's slower than the 5800X3D and the 1% lows in particular on the 5800X3D will be much higher but if you are gaming at 1440p or 4K then it's probably a 6% to 10% improvement in FPS so probably not worth it.
just bought this yesterday, so excited to build
Thank you for all your hard work. Thanks to all this data you showed us, I can see that as owner of am4 ryzen 5 3700x that best path to upgrade is to r7 5800x3D and wait for next few years. almost same performance for 1/3 of price.
1/3 of price? How
@@froznfire9531 no DDR5 needed and no brand new motherboard. Potentially also no much stronger cooler required. The 7000 series CPUs target 94C as the normal operating temperature!!
@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 As videos show, you can easily set the target temp to 70-80 and power to 80-90W and still get pretty much the same performance so thats not a big worry imo. Mainboard yes, they are really pricy. Starts at 260 in the US, 100$ for the RAM. Still by far less than 1/3 difference though because the 7700x is cheaper.
@@froznfire9531 I wrote as owner of am4 ryzen 5 3700x, so in that upgrade calc is that I already have am4 MB and ddr4 ram, so when i calc all this in my CZK currency to euro - r7 5800x3d is 486e vs 360e for MB + 304e for good G.SKILL 32gb 6000MHz CL36, could go with Kingston FURY 32GB KIT DDR5 5600MHz CL40 for 220e and 7600x/7700x/7900x/7950x is 352e/470e/649e/835e so if we go with ram then cost spread is from 1016-1134-1313-1499, so getting just 5800x3d is just 47.8%/42.8%/37%/32% of cost of good ram, lower end of high end(picked one of cheapest in whole list, others are more then 100e+ more) of X670E.
So yes, 1/3 of cost. I stand by what I said.
@@froznfire9531 OP is on AM4 all he needs is the CPU. Until recently there were discounts on the 5800X3D. Ironically the 7000 series benchmarks and costs seem to have made the 5800X3D very popular and its price has gone up🤦
still rockin my r5 3600 that i got for $180 like a year or two ago..... 6cores for $300 and 8cores for $400 isnt going to cut it since everything is becoming more expensive these days
wait but u r a girl, u must be buying the cpu for productivity and video rendering purpose
Very thorough, thanks for taking the time to do all this, looking forward to your extensive benches on the arrival of the next gen AMD cards.
Living in the UK where paying your electricity bill's becoming a bit of a nightmare, I'm very happy with my 5600X\RTX3070 combo, very efficient and decent performance, should keep me happy for the next 2-3 years. :)
i highly recommend capping your games at 60/90/120 fps as well, that can lower gpu usage, with in turn will lower your largest (230w) power usage part in your pc. You can also downclock the card via afterburner, does the same in the end.
@@AdaaDK or you just use Radeon Chill in the drivers if you have an AMD graphics card.
@@AdaaDK Hi there, I'm under-volting via Afterburner, I'm not noticing any hit to framerate, however, it's running much cooler/quieter and knocks around 25-40 watts off when maxed, I enjoy tweaking. :)
I'll also experiment with capping as you suggested, thank you. :)
Great to see Greg and Beradun so happy to help with your presentation.
I want to get my hands into this new gen. I personally was looking for the 7600X but honestly, I think buying a CPU that will deliver 5800X performance doesn't seem logic for me (already owning the 5800X). I think I'll try to get the 7950X but once I save all the money required to buy everything at once and not part-by-part.
Why would you upgrade from a 5800x? Why not wait till zen5 or even zen6?
With a 5800X I wouldn't upgrade at all, it's your money, but I would save it for something better in the future.
@@SWIFTzTrigger And after looking at costs of new gen technology, I probably will do that
@@AndreyStevn I have a 5800x3d and 12gb 3080, I'm not upgrading for at least 5 years.
@@patuel1 Yea true. I also have a 5800X, and since it's now in the middle of the chart, it looks like I might need to upgrade, but even so the 5800X is still really fast and will do everything I need for the forseeable future.
But at 2k and 4k there isn't much difference in gaming performance correct?
X670 board prices will also fall over the next month or so. The value proposition for Zen 4 will very likely change notably when you do your Raptor Lake reviews.
As an aside, I think you should put a little more emphasis on the difference in performance between DDR4 and DDR5 versions of the Intel chips, as a lot of people are conflating the two when talking about how Zen 4 compares, believing they can get way more performance with the cheaper DDR4 option than they actually can.
cant wait for the new GPU's to see if the performance difference between the 5000 series and 7000 series will be even more apparent
Not bad. So there's no "7800x". Perhaps they still release a "7800X3D" soon? It looks like AMD learned something from their 5000 series release schedule.
Rumours says q1 next year, but who knows? Might slip to q2, or a paper launch in q4.
That's the chip I'm interested in for an amd build @ end of '23
"Not bad".... Clown !
The X3D chips are coming out in 4 months time. It was already shown in a leaked AMD deck together with Zen 4.
I haven’t got any notifications for your videos, had to go find you you guys. Great work
What I want to know is how well they perform when you set the max thernals to 50c, especially in comparison to the previous generation
From what I have seen from PC World the gap between a thermally maxed out Zen 4 CPU and the one with limited power is not that big. Going to 105W, you are at most going to only be 5-10% slower.
Steve says it has 6MB L2 Cache but AMD website says 8MB L2 Cache.
Super impressive CPU! I'd like to build a 7700X system once prices calmed down in a few months.
Same gonna upgrade to the new x670 and the 7700x till sale hits
did you do it?
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 Not built yet, but ordered just a few days ago.
@@nipa5961 did you order the 7700x? im studying what to buy, but not to sure yet.
i think im going for 7700x with ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI motherboard. Already bought a 3060ti(gddr6x) u_u but trying to sell it so i can buy a 4070 hahaha any advice will be well taken
@@rodrigocataldorios6533 Yes, I ordered the 7700X and paired it with the ASRock X670E Steel Legend.
There is a sale going on in my area right now giving you a 90€ discount if you order a Zen4 CPU and a X670E board at the same time so I finally pulled the trigger.
Maybe I missed it, but is there a reason for the 7700x to be faster than the 7950x in games?
@Hardware Unboxed: Since you are using the optimal memory (according to AMD) for the 7000-series, wouldn't it be fair to use the optimal memory for 5800X3D (3800MHz CL16)? Surely that would close the gap up to the 7700X or even overtake it.
Correct me if im wrong but the 5800X3D doesnt need the fastest ram as much because of the massive cache, so fast memory doest scale as well on the 5800x3d. HU already tested this i think
Not every motherboard supports 3800 memory.
@@BlackJesus8463 I think every single B550 or X570 motherboard can handle 3800MHz memory with ease, even the budget boards. But here they don't use budget motherboards, they use high end (800 USD+?) stuff so of course you use a high-end motherboard for 5800X3D too.
@@Sinesterr That may be the case, I don't know. But that's why I want high speed memory for the 5800X3D (and the rest of the 5000-series) to be included in the upcoming 40 games+ benchmarks. That would make the fairest comparison between the CPUs.
@@Trollkonto Max memory spped for a 5800X3D is listed at 3200 and it depends on rank. The whole point of v-cache is to minimize the RAM bottleneck and it uses less power than the 5800X so you are wasting money on an expensive mobo and RAM.
something i feel obliged to point out.... even though Raptor lake is likely to take the performance crown when it releases, briefly... its the last generation that will be supported on its platform... whereas Ryzen 7000 is the first on a platfom that will likely last several generations.
I am still not comfortable with the whole 90+ c, I want to know more about that Eco mode people are talking about.
PCWorld made a video about it. tl;dw For the 7950X you get ~90% of the performance at 105W & slightly better performance than 5950X/12900K at 65W
How is it possible that these temperatures were a great issue until now, but suddenly it's okay, because AMD says so?
Really wished you would include Undervolting testing with PBO2. Zen 4 has same problems like zen 3 had, way too high voltage out of the box and way too high temperature. Please include undervolting Too!!!
UV is the same as OC, your mileage will vary. We will look at Eco Mode though.
Optimum Tech has a great video on this, including altering thermal/power throttle.
You were lucky with your Zen3 sample, as on curve optimizer my 2 fastest cores, would only take a -10mV offset in curve optimizer. I think some motherboards set higher voltages than my X570 Aorus Elite from comments I've seen talking about default voltages.
Tech YES City did a UV video with great success.
@@RobBCactive The Optimum Tech video is nice too.
@@RobBCactive I had X570 aorus elite and 5800x by default gigabyte motherboard has huge issues with overvolting Every cpu you put in, I don't understand why nobody talks about it. Its huge problem since zen 2. I had r5 3600 since day one and gigabyte motherboard would like to put voltage between 1.4-1.5v resulting into cpu throttling and underclocking. Same behaviour with 5800x at stock it would work at 1.45v ant only give 4.3ghz all core frequiency ant sitting at 90C, after curve optimizer i managed to get stable 4.7ghz all core in cinebench ant 4.85ghz in gaming and temperature dropped to 65c. Optimum tech also got gigabyte motherboard and i see that his 7700x suffers with same problem. No wonder he could put negative offset 30, because his 7700x is overvolted so much....it could go that low... you wouldn't see that behaviour on MSI motherboards tho... PLEASE do you own investigation, i am pretty sick commenting each time and this issue goes by every time unnoticed, only people in reddit or people with this problem knows what am talking about.
Kinda wondering if I should just buy a 5800x3d on my current board to maximize it, rather than spend on a whole new setup. It's still very competitive and I don't see games destroying it for many years, if at all.
Yeah that's what I intend to do when prices drop nearer the end of the year. The way I see it, upgrading my 3600 to the 5800x3d will give me ~90% the performance of an AM5 platform upgrade at ~1/3rd the cost.
@@RK-252 I've got the same cpu. Don't tell me you have a RTX 3080?
@@mick7727 lol, yup as a matter of fact I do have an RTX 3080 (10GB) LHR. Recently upgraded from an RX 5700 (OC'd with XT firmware). You?
AMD will need to adjust their prices. They are simply not aligned to what competition is offering. So, better wait and checek in a month or two.
I agree, I think the 7700x should be $350, the 7600x should be $250. I think lower end Zen 4 will have a difficult time with the 13600K, that chip looks to be very competitive.
I guess LTT was right, in that you need a 4090 to un-limit the GPU limit to see if the CPU is doing more.
After this test, I have to re-evaluate my initial negative impression about the 7700X! It makes much more sense now after seeing these unexpected results. Unfortunately, as far as it concerns 4k gaming, there is no need to go from Zen 2 yet, unless the new video cards from Nvidia and AMD expose some significant shortcomings when compared to newer models.
You can keep your ryzen 2600 for 8 more years. CPUs don't really fail over time. You won't see a difference with your GTX 970 if buying 7700X. CPUs don't increase framerates. Your GTX 970 is good for 4K ultra with Ryzen 2600 for 8 more years easily.
@@steamstories1279 I have a 3950X and an Nvidia RTX 3080 at the moment. CPUs only increase framerates where CPU-based computations between frames take longer than GPU-based computations. Which is usually the case at very low resolutions for modern GPUs. At high resolutions like 4k it's almost always the other way around, still there is an opening with new GPUs coming up. We'll have to wait and see whether that's the case.
How was that 15204 score achieved on 5800X? Mine does 14200'ish out of the box with PBO and max oc is 15150. This is when cinebench priority is set to above average. I wonder if my x470-pro mobo is holding me back?
Configuring this 7700X to use less power (as for Optimum Tech latest video) and with the slightly better RAM configuration (as for your tests in the first Ryzen 7000 video review), this would be a beast for gaming, even more.
Ooh, I was waiting for this one from you guys. 😀Eyeing the 7700x since the am5 release, but not trigger pulling before hammer on box opinions!
If you want the best there will be in the near future, wait for 7800X3D, it will be one generation better than 7800X, just like 5800X3D was compared to 5800X.
The range of heatsinks video is going to be the most interesting bit of all of this. 7950x on a 65W cooler please, that will be an amazing nonsense.
5800X3D is the gaming king
Just over a year later I got a 7800X3D for £50 (about $65) less than the price the standard 7700 was when this video was made.
Happy with that.
This just makes me more excited for Zen 5. That's my planned upgrade since my 5900X is very good still. Can't wait for potentially 6 Ghz o.o
3:59 7950x Chilling way ahead of everything else, its kind of scary..
Please do the benchmarks in 4k!
Zero chance we benchmark CPUs at 4K... any time soon.
@@Hardwareunboxed Why
@@yoyo-nf1ww I'll summarize it for you "GPU bound"
@@yoyo-nf1ww The point? It will be the GPU test in this case, instead of CPU.
@@yoyo-nf1ww 4K is GPU bound. All modern CPUs would have similar performance to one another. It's why you test CPUs at as low a resolution as possible. Lower resolutions are more CPU bound
I Think a comparison between the air cooled Ryzen 7950x vs aio cooled one would be interesting.
Wait, this is re-uploaded?! It was on the channel already
I dont like allmost all reviewers using 600+ USD/EU priced boards + expensive AIO´s on 7000 series. I would have liked a more realistic look from a hyper212/Noctua NH-D14/15 kinda cooling. to see if it influences preformance a lot, same that i hope we see a big time Mhz + cache latency breakdown on influence on Ryzen 7000 seires over the next month or so.
Please add 1440p games results on your reviews.
They don't add 1440p for cpu reviews coz at that resolution games become gpu bound
Nobody use a 3090 ti to play 1080p
Thank you for all the testing you do for us. 👍
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Well done b**ch
Best buy from AM5 lineup imo, all the problems with this release is the cheaper boards. Issue that we need to see is what coolers can keep the temperature under control.
Are you looking at doing some testing on the 7000 range in the various eco modes, comparing performance per watt and efficiency at each level? Looking at what the actual preformance gap is between the various eco modes and default full on mode.
7800x3d will really be beast in gaming, gona hold out for one.
Waiting on some board VRM reviews before dropping money on new build, hope it comes soon!
Zen 4 is very impressive and competition is at full tilt. Its crazy to see the the changes in the CPU market after the first Ryzen release. Its a completely different world from only a few years ago. The cpu market had stagnated for a decade with AMD not really competing at intels level. Now 8 core desktop Cpus are the norm and the prices are equal to an i7 quad core. Raptor lake is incoming, its gonna be an all out brawl, Im not sure if AMDs gains are enough this generation, I guess we will see before the end of the year!