Why nobody would buy it. They put out a GPU that clearly and obviously caused Nvidia enough concern they did a refresh with the sole purpose being to interrupt AMD's launch of Navi. Then AMD reduced prices in response to Nvidia's price drop and refresh and reviewers like Steve from Gamers Nexus get paid to say "It looks like Intel brought competition to the market" and Gamers eat it up. Gamers are never going to buy an AMD GPU in numbers that matter, period. They will buy Nvidia no matter what they put out.
@@Sircivus Yes but not the vast majority which is what we are talking about here. It's the few intelligent people who stop and straight up look at what they want to spend and buy price to performance for their budget. That's clearly not the way the vast majority does things. AMD needs to concentrate on keeping that group buying its products and making products that will be bought for computational purposes.
I wanna quote what someone commented in a Tech Syndicate video -“It doesn’t matter how old the chip is, how many cores, or the clock speed. If they’re the same price, it’s a fair comparison.” Ryzen wins.
@@aseed89 10:05 10:29 10:51 12:16 Are these look like browsing performance to you? Give more money for similar or lower performance intel fanboy. You deserve it :)
@@Knives7777 literally every video on gamers nexus is long winded and boring, how is it that people provide the SAME information on other channels for far less time and without the boring monotonous voice throughout. His unique overclocking videos are his market niche tbh everything else feels like a chore to sit through
Jonathan GN goes through a lot of the very technical details of each SKU and how they equate across a large swath of different ones, things that, while not bad, other channels don’t really do for the essence of time. GN has a different way of going about things, and it may seem you’re not into that kind of thing, which is fine
I chose to watch you first because I believe we should "Paul the things..." or is it "Paul ALL the things" ?? Either way, congrats on the new baby and a million+ subs. Keep up the great work!
@Bruce Wayne And I do :) but for me, tech enthusiast it's great that finally I will be able to upgrade my system this year. Currently I'm running 3,8 GHz Xeon x3440, 2nd hand rx 580 (earlier baked Radeon 7850) with squeaking H55M-P31 SATA II motherboard.
at 7:04 you said the 3900x is 36% faster than the 9900k but it has 30,000 points to intel's ~20,000 points which is 50% faster isn't it? 30717 is 156% of 19692 not 136% edit: and at 9:38 you said the 3900x is over 30% faster than the 3700x but it's actually over 44% faster. I think you did your divides backwards and got how much *slower* the lower part was, not how much *faster* the higher part was
Yes, you're correct - I flipped the comparison for several of those, I realized it during editing and tried to remove the erroneous ones but a few slipped through. I should have scripted that part rather than trying to interpret my spreadsheet on the fly 😅
Subbed for one reason, the only totally comprehensive breakdown I've been able to find on the new Ryzen chips. Specifically covering actual testing temperatures of the chips. I just helped my friend build his first pc. He lives in California, I'm in Ohio. He had temps that sounded really high to me, and trying to find information has really been a nightmare. So many gaming/workload benchmark video's out there, none that really touch thermals. Thank you for doing a good job, and the content!
@@mohdnorhalimzainudin7740 team 3570k still here in 2019 haha I think to go on the same Mobo but on a 3900x I'll 'eed this for better perf in productivity like Photoshop / and video editing more than gaming , now I only wants to play VR with asseto Corsa competizione sooo :D ... But wait and for the prices drop a bit !
i7-3770K here and upgrading to an R9-3900x (on order and by the time I get it Star Citizen will be in GOLD and telling me I need more cores LOL). Anyway, couple fun points: 1) Did a tonne of research on motherboards including Buildzoid videos on power etc. Narrowed it down to the Asus Strix X470-F Gaming. 2) for GAMING (not only use case for me) note that it's NOT mainly the increase in average FPS though that matters. It's the 1%/0.1% LOWS I'm more concerned about... for example, let's say you have a regular (not GSync/Freesync) 60Hz monitor and turn on VSYNC to avoid screen tearing. Does the game feel really smooth? Even if it reports 60FPS (i.e. FRAPS, Steam indicator) it's common to drop frames so NOT get an actual 60FPS... there are still a lot of games that a faster CPU would help with this 3) POWER DRAW (for CPU cooler)... roughly speaking an i7-3770K should draw about 200W at 4.4GHz (the entire PC without graphics card but CPU load test). The R9-3900x should draw LESS power than this. Closer to 170W. I was pleased because I plan to use my existing Noctua NH-D14 cooler which works great still (note the 3-pin fans should be supported fine with most/all modern motherboards in the 4-pin fan headers and note that Noctua provides a free AM4 adapter with proof of purchase of the Noctua cooler and the CPU or motherboard. Form at their site. I can't order yet until my CPU ships.) 4) 16GB DDR4 is plenty for gaming but I'm getting 32GB (2x16GB). Even if I didn't need it now (I do) I would eventually. This system is good for a long, long time (especially considering games will get more threaded and care less and less about individual core performance being the game render thread bottleneck). For games? TEN YEARS no problem with the R9-3900x.... oh, I'm getting the 3200MHz 16CL memory due to cost. I could get either 3600MHz 16CL or 3200MHz 14CL but the cost goes way up for very minimal gains. Like 50% higher for maybe 5% max that I'd never notice. Plus, I want at least something to tweak since PB2/PBO doesn't appear to have much overclock headroom (I'm not complaining with good out-of-box dynamic clock performance though). Only recently has my CPU started to become an issue for games though. Not much of one, though an i5-3570K (no hyperthreading) is going to suffer much worse compared to the i7-3770K in a lot of titles. *Final note. I always, always use MEMTEST86 to test system memory prior to installing an OS. Oh, and I will make a backup IMAGE using Acronis True Image of my OS partition but will just then plunk the Samsung SSD that has W10 on it straight on to the new motherboard... (booo, you can't do that don't you know anything?). It's a shit load of work to reinstall everything for me (which also requires to redownload the Windows Store games and though I have only four games it would take about FOUR FULL DAYS!). Anyway, it should be NO PROBLEM to just remove the drivers/software that no longer applies and install the new motherboard software, setup fan control profile etc... it is NOT the same situation as it was a few years ago where you'd get major issues without a clean install. W10 now is pretty damn good at re-detecting the hardware and associating the proper drivers (but just in case I still have that backup)
Same , I have the 2700x currently as well, I'll upgrade early next year more than likely for gaming because 10-18% IPC increase over the 2700x would still be nice
I have 2700x now too, but i have planned spendings this year and i really should not upgrade, also, i spent 220£ on my x470 mobo, and from what i've seen so far, i really would need that new chipset one.
Based on overall performance , at the date of today, the best value for money is the 2700x . 71% of the bae 100 (r 3900x) for 220 € , when the 3900x costs 600€. The difference of ratio is not équivalent for the 3700x. Depends of your needs .
@@ciprianstan9684 Choose voltage and speed manually and its solved. High temps are constant and innecesary boost fault. Read some updated overclock tutorial before, but its really simple
It is like the AMD FX against the 1st gen intel i7’s all over again... but in reverse 😉 - FX 5.0GHz then, high power draw and heat. - 9900K 5.0GHz now, high power and heat.(comparitively) 😉
Well, except that the 9900K is actually a really good CPU in its own right and the FX series wasn't. Even though the 3900X is on par or exceeding the 9900K, it's not as if anyone who owns a 9900K is going to swap platforms to AMD; however, anyone on an 8700K might consider it.
@@bftjoe Some people do use these processors for other things then gaming. For instance, at the office we use Adobe and Autodesk software alot and the Zen 2 processors are a very welcome addition. We of course still have i7's, i9's and Xeon's at the moment but these new processors are something to look forward to :)
@@TheCaptaintsubasaj i still have my I7-4790K. Do you really need 12cores if were playing with 4 core cpu before. Wouldn't 3700x/3800x be a better choice, it would serve well till 4000/5000series.
@@dime4026 , Enough PCIe lanes to do what though? For 99% of the people this doesn't matter. Also, you probably mean the increased bandwidth per lane with PCIe v4.0 not having more lanes. AFAIK the CPU isn't adding more lanes. Pretty sure it's 24 lanes still. x16 to the top slot usually used by a graphics card. x4 for the M.2's that connect to the CPU. x4 to the CHIPSET which it shares between SATA, USB, network etc (CPU has its own additional CPU etc too).
Most of those benchmarks are outdated already because the new chipset drivers apparently helps a whole lot. Linus tested BF5 limiting it to one CCX and got like... a 50fps boost both in minimum and avg fps.
Paul 👍 I remember when I was noob in PC stuff I was watching your videos and other youtube (lines,tech yes city,etc...) channels for a long time, which was very helpful... and then I build my own PC in October 2016 and here we go again watching your video about Ryzen 3000!! this moment spark good memories.
I got brainfried watching this i can't imagine how you feel after doing all the benchmarks and comparisons! "And on the 7th day god made coffee, and it was good"
Much appreciate, Paul, the fact that you included 2700X in comparison. Much better scaling and clearer numbers. For future choice. Thank you. I enjoyed vid.
Lots of information here, how was 1440p and 4k? I don't expect people play games at 1080p with a $500 CPU and 2080ti. Keep up the fantastic work but also get back to your baby.
1080p is the best test for CPU because the higher resolutions lean more on the GPU. I can tell you quite absolutely that the spread is going to be the same in almost all games but the gaps will be considerably smaller at 1440p and then smaller still at 4K.
@@kaldo_kaldo I understand that 1080p highlights the difference in the processor. So would 720p, it would likely be more pronounced. My point is that no one is playing at 720p with this configuration, and at some point 1080p testing is going to be just as outdated given the strength of the hardware. If I'm building a computer with trh same specs I want to know if I can reach 1440p 144hz+ or 4k 100hz. If the Intel and AMD systems are functionality the same on the high end, then that is also an important factor to highlight. I'm not surprised Ryzen is better at multithreaded performance, they had that with the 2700x I want to know how these new high end close the gap. Definitely loved the power comparisons because it highlights the the efficiency. Those are my thoughts and thoughts I know most people play at 1080p according to the Steam data. The high end of the market is shifting and testing for 1080p will eventually be religated to the past as entry level GPU's become more capable.
Congratulations Paul I chose you above all the other video releases at 8 a.m. Central Standard Time! I'm guessing that was when the Embargo lifted LOL! Thanks for giving me something to listen to as I walk my one-month-old around the house trying to get him to sleep
I CAN NOT WAIT for the R5 and R3 reviews. I'm due for an upgrade and I want to compromise build with a Ryzen 5 3600+mobo+ram. Upgrade my aging i5-3570k.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 the 3600 is a 65W part. Ideally it would go head to head with a 9600 but those dont exist yet. You're forgetting the 9600K is a 95W part. And then so is the 3600X! ;)
Paul as a rookie in all things that are PC your videos are engaging knowledgeable and overall helping me so much in relieving the stress that comes with building my first PC thank you for all your help
My 1600x died on me back in November so I have been putting off getting a 1600x or 2600x since then. I have been using an x58 x5875 since then and it's starting to show it's age. That same 1600x took out my 1080ti at the same time but that was replaced under warranty.
I camped at a bestbuy in NC, and there was a couple other people there. I went to get a ryzen 7 3700x, turns out bestbuy didnt have any instock. People were PISSED.
@TheZombieSurvivalist, People switching from Intel to AMD were angry that the Ryzen 3000s were sold out when they arrived in the stores...and they blame AMD for not knowing exactly how many people wanted one. If there is a huge surge in demand no one can predict that. AMD are very small compared to Intel and a sudden huge demand for AMD has never happened before.
thegeorgezila oh, mainly because he managed to say everything I needed to know in pretty much 15 mins. Whereas most other vids available seem to ramble on for a lot longer. Plus he's always clear & concise.... I personally like his tone and conversational approach to presenting.... Ummmmm, apart from that I can't think of anything else to justify my personal opinion to a complete stranger. But I hope this helps you, please let me know if not.
I mean, if you have the money, go ahead! Whatever your wallet can afford. Some of us, however, are what you would consider “poor”. The new amd stuff is really, REALLY, good news. Lower prices, much higher productivity marks, it’s an obvious buy for most of us. I also don’t need a 5ghz overclock to easily achieve 144hz for gaming.
Paul. Which motherboard do you recommend me to buy for the 3600x? I prefer no LEDs, lots of fans connections for my pump and 8 fans, maybe more if I liquid cool the new CPU. Durability is important for me because I don't upgrade all the time.
@@DJHEADPHONENINJA Because it run at 400mhz more, and 5 fps for 400mhz for 200$ of difference +the fact that consume like a town and burn your house... well. Just useless intel chips. Look the reality noob
Great review! I am eager to see overclocking results. After you get some sleep, perhaps go into depth with thermals and cooling solutions and so on? I'm keen to finds out realistic overclocking targets for each chip, without going too crazy on cooling and to see where they all land next to each other with said overclocks. Thanks!
I think is important to mention that the tsmc 7nm silicon is kind of limited by the imposed amd locks so that i stays very efficient and because of that when one of the 3 locks is hit even if the other 2 are not, youre cpu will stop increasing the frequency and you hit that frequency wall. Here are the silicon frequency locks described on the anandtech article: "Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket. This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors. Thermal Design Current (TDC): The maximum amount of current delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators when under thermally constrained scenarios (high temperatures) This is 60A for 65W TDP processors, and 95A for 105W TDP processors. Electrical Design Current (EDC): This is the maximum amount of current at any instantaneous short period of time that can be delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators. This is 90A for 65W TDP processors, and 140A for 105W TDP processors." I think Intel has a way wider margin on those , and i think is one of the reasons why those intel cpus clock much higher but also draw much more juice , amd wanted those to be efficient , the vrms on x570 are way overdone for those power draw limits, also in terms of cooling wouldnt be a problem for some high end noctua cooler or good aio , but it doesnt matter since your locked by amd and that pbo it think doesnt really cross the power boundaries , or if it does is very limited %
For anyone who is interested, Micro Center currently has the 2700X at $200. And, $30 off when purchased with a compatible motherboard. That's an absolute steal.
Probably because it will show you how competitive the new Zen 2 CPUs are in the worst possible scenario. You can only get better from there so this is a good way of showing how well it does outside of its comfort zone.
Imagine loosing to a last gen i7 in gaming, YIKES. Okay I'm trolling, but AMD has def caught up to intel in gaming. Still not ahead, but the prices make intel not even look like an option. Also are any games optimized for amd? I don't think so. It's not even the games are optimized for intel, the infinity fabric is just shit, Disable smt and the results would look at lot better.
@@lumbeeman01 Yea I'm pretty excited. I'm hoping intel can deliver soon too. I like having options, but right now intel is legit NOT an option at current prices.
Man, I'm so happy seeing this video! I chose 3700X (haven't got it yet, just browsing around for benchmarks while waiting xD ) and after seeing this video, I have to say I'm not upset in the slightest! Even though other things beat it, it still holds its own and stays really close in some aspects to the competition, it seems like. even the 3900X I may upgrade later, but so far I'm loving what I see. Thanks for the video!
No, I don;t think its that odd... It would gain some in Gaming, but loose even more heavily in everything else, as hyper-threading is switched off in hardware. So if he uses the 8700K people like you complain, but if he uses the 9700K, other whingers would complain he's not comparing core/threads... He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't!
What shall we call this Sunday!!? I've been watching AMD benchmark vids for like 2hrs now!! Good job AMD!! And thanks to all computer nerds for showing us all these benchmarks(Optimum Tech, Linus, Bitwit, etc)!! Cant wait to do an AMD build!!
For me I primarily use my main system to encode movies with HandBrake in H.265 10-bit using Intel QSV. Because of this, and only having a GTX 1070, I have been sticking with my Intel 8700K. What I would LOVE to see is how these Ryzen CPUs stack up against there Intel counterparts with Quick Sync enabled as one of the encoding metrics.
Great to see AMD so close to Intel in gaming performance and sometimes even beating them, makes me excited for the future; just imagin what a Zen2+ or Zen3 could do!
Krass das man dich hier Findet :) Ich Überlege mir den 3700x zu gönnen. Ziemlich viel Leistung für wenig Geld wie ich finde. Würdest du es is sicherer finden noch ein bisschen abzuwarten ?
@@WotameIon Kommt drauf an für was? Für reines Gaming hat der Ryzen 2600 doch klar das bessere P/L In zwei Wochen werden dann die Preise sicher schon etwas gefallen sein, die Frage ist aber sowieso was du jetzt hast und ob du damit noch zufrieden bist. Der P/L mäßig beste Kauf ist sowieso Ryzen 1000 oder auch 2000
MirelRc I doubt Intel will just stay silent and let AMD absorb the entire market. I hope Intel will one-up amd and release something amazing and keep this competition going we have right now
I don't know what it is about your videos Paul but the focus on the data and the way you discuss the results really flows well and is easily absorbed. I feel like some other tech-tubers could take a lesson from you on communicating clearly. Great work Paul! Best wishes for you and the family - pet the dogs for me plz
Yea I'm not sure why but all 9 reviews I've seen seem to attribute the power saving to Amd architecture not Tsmc 7nm die shrink. to the point of major wowing over it and not even mentioning the die shrink at all. I mean its still yay Amd, just weird is all.
Went to Best Buy today to check out the new hardware, and couldn't find it. So, I asked a rep in the computer area about where the Ryzen 3 stuff would be. She calmly informed me that the video games were in another section of the store! Eventually I found someone who knew about the launch today and he informed me that they unfortunately did not receive any of the new hardware. Bummed, I went grocery shopping then came home.
Are there any settings on the motherboard to use less strict power limits? Just curious if PBO will take the frequency to a higher average than what was shown in these tests, if there is less of a power limit.
yes, buildzoid has made several videos on this subject before. on some motherboards there is a setting for the performance level for the pbo, and so you can set it to the max performance level. the next thing you can do is set a negative offset vcore, which will allow it hit higher clocks on single cores cause pbo is entirely temperature based. pbo wacks each core with a ton of voltage at a time sometimes up to 1.5v for just a split second to go like 4.5ghz plus. If you can bring the voltage spikes down with the negative offset voltage and still find it stable, then you'll lower temperatures enough to add a little bit of a boost to pbo
Now if only AMD can make the Ryzen of GPUs
Why nobody would buy it. They put out a GPU that clearly and obviously caused Nvidia enough concern they did a refresh with the sole purpose being to interrupt AMD's launch of Navi. Then AMD reduced prices in response to Nvidia's price drop and refresh and reviewers like Steve from Gamers Nexus get paid to say "It looks like Intel brought competition to the market" and Gamers eat it up. Gamers are never going to buy an AMD GPU in numbers that matter, period. They will buy Nvidia no matter what they put out.
@@joer8854 unless they get a console then they buy an AMD GPUs lol
@@joer8854 Yet, AMD continues to make gpu's and hold market share. Someone must be buying them, I wonder who.
@@Sircivus Yes but not the vast majority which is what we are talking about here. It's the few intelligent people who stop and straight up look at what they want to spend and buy price to performance for their budget. That's clearly not the way the vast majority does things. AMD needs to concentrate on keeping that group buying its products and making products that will be bought for computational purposes.
@@scottyhaines4226 That's where they have a real shot at changing the market.
I came here first Paul, give me the goods :D
Paul is my dude! You all are pretty awesome too though! Wish I could lend a hand chugging though all this tiresome system building and testing!
You're the best Steve! I'm gonna watch yours too ♥️
Love you steve, i swear you're the 2nd guy i go to, unfortunately paul always comes first ;)
@@paulshardware No you're the best 😍 lol
I came! I just came...
Aaaaaand there goes my RUclips feed...
I wanna quote what someone commented in a Tech Syndicate video -“It doesn’t matter how old the chip is, how many cores, or the clock speed. If they’re the same price, it’s a fair comparison.” Ryzen wins.
actually intel wins, they ahve higher fps
@@aseed89 CPU's doesn't have FPS
@@aseed89 did you consider only fps numbers between millions of values? LOL
@@mcaniberk yes. I get the CPUs to game. At this point whether intel or amd is faster in browsing, who gives a damn
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Are these look like browsing performance to you?
Give more money for similar or lower performance intel fanboy. You deserve it :)
Paul I was gonna watch GN’s stuff but each video is 30mins per SKU. Thanks for the concise information.
I mean if that's a problem for you then that content is probably not for you and that's fine
@@Knives7777 literally every video on gamers nexus is long winded and boring, how is it that people provide the SAME information on other channels for far less time and without the boring monotonous voice throughout. His unique overclocking videos are his market niche tbh everything else feels like a chore to sit through
@@ultimatemeepo You hit the nail right on the head.
@Southeastern777 No ones going to argue with you there. Just stating opinions.
Jonathan GN goes through a lot of the very technical details of each SKU and how they equate across a large swath of different ones, things that, while not bad, other channels don’t really do for the essence of time. GN has a different way of going about things, and it may seem you’re not into that kind of thing, which is fine
I chose to watch you first because I believe we should "Paul the things..."
or is it "Paul ALL the things" ??
Either way, congrats on the new baby and a million+ subs. Keep up the great work!
Paul All the Things 😁🙏
P'All the things!
Holding out for the 3950x, but good news all around!
Alex Rybicki when’s that out?
@@Millsy5 September this year according to the announcement.
@@Millsy5 September
Same here.
Since the x570 MOBO I want is around 600$.
@@dragonfeatherz jesus christ which board? I am a huge fan of the asus rog crosshair hero boards and am currently using an x470 crosshair hero 7
I was refreshing YT whole day to watch first review ;) thanks a lot!
@Bruce Wayne And I do :) but for me, tech enthusiast it's great that finally I will be able to upgrade my system this year. Currently I'm running 3,8 GHz Xeon x3440, 2nd hand rx 580 (earlier baked Radeon 7850) with squeaking H55M-P31 SATA II motherboard.
@@angelsv stop being so toxic, let him do what he wants. You're getting nothing from being cancer on the internet
at 7:04 you said the 3900x is 36% faster than the 9900k but it has 30,000 points to intel's ~20,000 points which is 50% faster isn't it? 30717 is 156% of 19692 not 136%
edit: and at 9:38 you said the 3900x is over 30% faster than the 3700x but it's actually over 44% faster. I think you did your divides backwards and got how much *slower* the lower part was, not how much *faster* the higher part was
Yes, you're correct - I flipped the comparison for several of those, I realized it during editing and tried to remove the erroneous ones but a few slipped through. I should have scripted that part rather than trying to interpret my spreadsheet on the fly 😅
I had a spasm reading this
That single core performance! Great stuff Paul
Subbed for one reason, the only totally comprehensive breakdown I've been able to find on the new Ryzen chips. Specifically covering actual testing temperatures of the chips. I just helped my friend build his first pc. He lives in California, I'm in Ohio. He had temps that sounded really high to me, and trying to find information has really been a nightmare. So many gaming/workload benchmark video's out there, none that really touch thermals. Thank you for doing a good job, and the content!
i think its the right time to change my CPU i5 3570k for a 3900x plus i really love the fact that they are compatible with older mobo GOOD JOB AMD !!!
Hey, another guy running a 3570k! I'm probably be getting the 3700x though, on a b450 board.
@@mohdnorhalimzainudin7740 team 3570k still here in 2019 haha I think to go on the same Mobo but on a 3900x I'll 'eed this for better perf in productivity like Photoshop / and video editing more than gaming , now I only wants to play VR with asseto Corsa competizione sooo :D ... But wait and for the prices drop a bit !
I7 3770k going for 3900x xD
Heeey. The i5-3570K crowd. Nice. Went for a 2700x and been happy with how it turned out.
Sales are nice too. Have fun with your builds y'all
i7-3770K here and upgrading to an R9-3900x (on order and by the time I get it Star Citizen will be in GOLD and telling me I need more cores LOL).
Anyway, couple fun points:
1) Did a tonne of research on motherboards including Buildzoid videos on power etc. Narrowed it down to the Asus Strix X470-F Gaming.
2) for GAMING (not only use case for me) note that it's NOT mainly the increase in average FPS though that matters. It's the 1%/0.1% LOWS I'm more concerned about... for example, let's say you have a regular (not GSync/Freesync) 60Hz monitor and turn on VSYNC to avoid screen tearing. Does the game feel really smooth? Even if it reports 60FPS (i.e. FRAPS, Steam indicator) it's common to drop frames so NOT get an actual 60FPS... there are still a lot of games that a faster CPU would help with this
3) POWER DRAW (for CPU cooler)... roughly speaking an i7-3770K should draw about 200W at 4.4GHz (the entire PC without graphics card but CPU load test). The R9-3900x should draw LESS power than this. Closer to 170W. I was pleased because I plan to use my existing Noctua NH-D14 cooler which works great still (note the 3-pin fans should be supported fine with most/all modern motherboards in the 4-pin fan headers and note that Noctua provides a free AM4 adapter with proof of purchase of the Noctua cooler and the CPU or motherboard. Form at their site. I can't order yet until my CPU ships.)
4) 16GB DDR4 is plenty for gaming but I'm getting 32GB (2x16GB). Even if I didn't need it now (I do) I would eventually. This system is good for a long, long time (especially considering games will get more threaded and care less and less about individual core performance being the game render thread bottleneck). For games? TEN YEARS no problem with the R9-3900x.... oh, I'm getting the 3200MHz 16CL memory due to cost. I could get either 3600MHz 16CL or 3200MHz 14CL but the cost goes way up for very minimal gains. Like 50% higher for maybe 5% max that I'd never notice. Plus, I want at least something to tweak since PB2/PBO doesn't appear to have much overclock headroom (I'm not complaining with good out-of-box dynamic clock performance though).
Only recently has my CPU started to become an issue for games though. Not much of one, though an i5-3570K (no hyperthreading) is going to suffer much worse compared to the i7-3770K in a lot of titles.
*Final note. I always, always use MEMTEST86 to test system memory prior to installing an OS. Oh, and I will make a backup IMAGE using Acronis True Image of my OS partition but will just then plunk the Samsung SSD that has W10 on it straight on to the new motherboard... (booo, you can't do that don't you know anything?). It's a shit load of work to reinstall everything for me (which also requires to redownload the Windows Store games and though I have only four games it would take about FOUR FULL DAYS!). Anyway, it should be NO PROBLEM to just remove the drivers/software that no longer applies and install the new motherboard software, setup fan control profile etc... it is NOT the same situation as it was a few years ago where you'd get major issues without a clean install. W10 now is pretty damn good at re-detecting the hardware and associating the proper drivers (but just in case I still have that backup)
All business in this review - LOVE IT. Nice job Paul
Thank you for tossing the 2700X in there as well, it helped to decide to upgrade or not.
so what do you think? are you going to upgrade?
Jaren Neo I mean, for gaming, I would not upgrade. Video editing, yes.
the same for me, i'd upgrade for work reason
Same , I have the 2700x currently as well, I'll upgrade early next year more than likely for gaming because 10-18% IPC increase over the 2700x would still be nice
I have 2700x now too, but i have planned spendings this year and i really should not upgrade, also, i spent 220£ on my x470 mobo, and from what i've seen so far, i really would need that new chipset one.
Paul, I really like that 3700X, really good content Paul.
paul, yeah, paul
So, the best cpu in terms of value for money, tdp and performance is the Ryzen 7 3700x
Depending on what your budget is sure. Can't go wrong with a 3700x definitely.
Based on overall performance , at the date of today, the best value for money is the 2700x . 71% of the bae 100 (r 3900x) for 220 € , when the 3900x costs 600€. The difference of ratio is not équivalent for the 3700x. Depends of your needs .
I just bought a 3700x and it has pretty high temps on idle with stock cooler between 40 and 55 doing nothing
@@ciprianstan9684 That's not that high. You need to worry when temps go above 80.
@@ciprianstan9684 Choose voltage and speed manually and its solved. High temps are constant and innecesary boost fault. Read some updated overclock tutorial before, but its really simple
It is like the AMD FX against the 1st gen intel i7’s all over again... but in reverse 😉
- FX 5.0GHz then, high power draw and heat.
- 9900K 5.0GHz now, high power and heat.(comparitively) 😉
Well, except that the 9900K is actually a really good CPU in its own right and the FX series wasn't. Even though the 3900X is on par or exceeding the 9900K, it's not as if anyone who owns a 9900K is going to swap platforms to AMD; however, anyone on an 8700K might consider it.
@@Dirtyboxer1 I'm on 8600k@5.3GHz with delid and air cooling and I'm buying that 3900x
@@halbgefressen9768 Why? Do you edit videos all day or something?
@@bftjoe Some people do use these processors for other things then gaming. For instance, at the office we use Adobe and Autodesk software alot and the Zen 2 processors are a very welcome addition. We of course still have i7's, i9's and Xeon's at the moment but these new processors are something to look forward to :)
@@MrJohnLongbow That makes sense but the upgrade for that guy would be quite small for most uses.
Wow bye bye my old i7. Hello ryzen 3900x
Can you send me the i7? :]
@@antongrekov7710 no
bye bye my i7 4790k, hello Ryzen 3900x
@@TheCaptaintsubasaj Gift me jajaja
@@TheCaptaintsubasaj i still have my I7-4790K. Do you really need 12cores if were playing with 4 core cpu before. Wouldn't 3700x/3800x be a better choice, it would serve well till 4000/5000series.
Just see the gap between 2700X and 3700X :O
What a generational leap!! and the power draw !
TPU already has a X470 vs X570 test for both 3700X and 3900X. The results: less than 1% performance difference with identical max OC.
@Rando Chickens www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3900x-3700x-tested-on-x470/
You haven't mentioned a lack of pcie lanes with the x470. Max oc pointless if you don't have enough lanes
@@dime4026 That's not going to be relevant unless you are packing your PCIe lanes with m.2's or something.
@@dime4026 ,
Enough PCIe lanes to do what though? For 99% of the people this doesn't matter. Also, you probably mean the increased bandwidth per lane with PCIe v4.0 not having more lanes. AFAIK the CPU isn't adding more lanes. Pretty sure it's 24 lanes still. x16 to the top slot usually used by a graphics card. x4 for the M.2's that connect to the CPU. x4 to the CHIPSET which it shares between SATA, USB, network etc (CPU has its own additional CPU etc too).
This is a total AMD total assault on 2 fronts. I always love the underdogs.
5:07 “12 vs 18”
Me: He’s definitely tired, it’s 8 vs 12 lmao
4:38 .... COOL ! AMD is no longer the high temp , and power king ;-)
@caRn What the fuck is DURRR? Some twit comment trying make themselves appear smarter?
The most astonishing feat that AMD has achieved is the power envelope.
50% less power draw than Intel.
@@576356 from 3700x to 9900k there is 100% more power
For all of the people who have been waiting for Zen 2, AMD just gave us an early Christmas.
Most of those benchmarks are outdated already because the new chipset drivers apparently helps a whole lot.
Linus tested BF5 limiting it to one CCX and got like... a 50fps boost both in minimum and avg fps.
JAJAJA RIP AMD SO BAD RESULTS OVERALL
Hey Paul, you need to rerun the test with the new Bios. 😂🤣
Glen Rios that’s a 50fps boost not 50fps total.
@@Battugun *so bad for Intel
@@Battugun oof, U Intel fanboy
5:50
Intel fanboy won't be able to throw their trusty power draw and temp arguments now 😆
@thegeorgezila both sides suck, Intel fanboys & AMD fanboys.
It's pathetic that these people got nothing better to do with their lives.
Paul 👍 I remember when I was noob in PC stuff
I was watching your videos and other youtube (lines,tech yes city,etc...) channels for a long time, which was very helpful...
and then I build my own PC in October 2016
and here we go again watching your video about Ryzen 3000!!
this moment spark good memories.
Wait, did you apply all the security fixes for Intel CPUs for this benchmark?
YEEET, Have been waiting for this so damm long xD cant wait to see the video lmao
YEET
Yeet?whats a yeet?!
YEET.
@@megamind8359 YEET, YEET YEET?
YEEEEEET.
Hey Paul, Im building my first pc this week thanks to you and ur videos, thanks a lot! keep it up buddy
I got brainfried watching this i can't imagine how you feel after doing all the benchmarks and comparisons! "And on the 7th day god made coffee, and it was good"
You should see Mr deals videos....he did 30 game benchmark
Much appreciate, Paul, the fact that you included 2700X in comparison. Much better scaling and clearer numbers. For future choice. Thank you. I enjoyed vid.
Lots of information here, how was 1440p and 4k? I don't expect people play games at 1080p with a $500 CPU and 2080ti.
Keep up the fantastic work but also get back to your baby.
1080p is the best test for CPU because the higher resolutions lean more on the GPU. I can tell you quite absolutely that the spread is going to be the same in almost all games but the gaps will be considerably smaller at 1440p and then smaller still at 4K.
@@kaldo_kaldo I understand that 1080p highlights the difference in the processor. So would 720p, it would likely be more pronounced. My point is that no one is playing at 720p with this configuration, and at some point 1080p testing is going to be just as outdated given the strength of the hardware. If I'm building a computer with trh same specs I want to know if I can reach 1440p 144hz+ or 4k 100hz. If the Intel and AMD systems are functionality the same on the high end, then that is also an important factor to highlight.
I'm not surprised Ryzen is better at multithreaded performance, they had that with the 2700x I want to know how these new high end close the gap. Definitely loved the power comparisons because it highlights the the efficiency.
Those are my thoughts and thoughts I know most people play at 1080p according to the Steam data. The high end of the market is shifting and testing for 1080p will eventually be religated to the past as entry level GPU's become more capable.
I really liked the chart with game / productivity vs price comparison.
Great job Paul, as always. ;-)
Congratulations Paul I chose you above all the other video releases at 8 a.m. Central Standard Time! I'm guessing that was when the Embargo lifted LOL! Thanks for giving me something to listen to as I walk my one-month-old around the house trying to get him to sleep
I CAN NOT WAIT for the R5 and R3 reviews. I'm due for an upgrade and I want to compromise build with a Ryzen 5 3600+mobo+ram. Upgrade my aging i5-3570k.
Check out the Gamers Nexus review for the R5 3600! You will be pleasantly surprised :D
They lose to the 9600k in gaming.
R3 is not a Ryzen 3 CPU, get the Ryzen3 R5 instead
@@djsensacion7 I will. I want to know how the lower Ryzen 3 CPUs would perform at the lower cost segment as well.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 the 3600 is a 65W part. Ideally it would go head to head with a 9600 but those dont exist yet. You're forgetting the 9600K is a 95W part. And then so is the 3600X! ;)
Welcome to the top of the hill, AMD. *GIVE INTEL A SHOVE*
I hope so.
One of my professors is a leading engineer for one of intels subsidiaries... i dont like him that much...
Fuck Intel
Looking at the prices I'd say AMD Sparta kicked Intel off the hill.
Just you wait. Intel expects to be rolling out 10nm in 2017... Oh wait🤣.
@@CheapBastard1988 yea your name makes sense
@@tosiitii930 Idiot
Paul as a rookie in all things that are PC your videos are engaging knowledgeable and overall helping me so much in relieving the stress that comes with building my first PC thank you for all your help
I'm really looking forward to seeing the 3700 X and the 3900 X with updated drivers and overclocking
Just ordered my 3700x.
never do that at day one or you gonna suprise haha , shit always happen on day one specifically with electronic stuff ^^ (sorry for my english)
F
Think ill wait until August to see how things play out
My 1600x died on me back in November so I have been putting off getting a 1600x or 2600x since then. I have been using an x58 x5875 since then and it's starting to show it's age.
That same 1600x took out my 1080ti at the same time but that was replaced under warranty.
You know a NDA has been lifted when there are 20 reviews of the same thing at the same time
Your test setup is the best out of everybody else who's doing reviews right now!
Isn’t it cool how all reviews are different 😉, enjoyed your POV on this new launch release! So fun, thx Paul✌🏼
I camped at a bestbuy in NC, and there was a couple other people there. I went to get a ryzen 7 3700x, turns out bestbuy didnt have any instock. People were PISSED.
TheZombieSurvivalist all the people working there probably bought all 10 of them in stock and re-sold for $200 more on eBay /:
@@USMCarter LOL I doubt it, it just seemed like AMD didn't provide bestbuy any inventory for launch day. I was able to order my R7 3700x off newegg.
@TheZombieSurvivalist, People switching from Intel to AMD were angry that the Ryzen 3000s were sold out when they arrived in the stores...and they blame AMD for not knowing exactly how many people wanted one. If there is a huge surge in demand no one can predict that. AMD are very small compared to Intel and a sudden huge demand for AMD has never happened before.
The 3900X has smaller temp at max than my 6 core 8700k... great.
Paul, thank you for your hard work. The 2 weeks surrounding this launch have been "SUPER" busy. Stay cool out there in Cali.
Thanks for all the hard work you put in getting the benchmarks out, with how busy your home life is.
I'm loving the angry Paul. Also loving the CPUs. I can finally upgrade off of my 4790k!
Time to start eating bread for dinner.
Holy shit. It absolutely dominates Intel. Wow Intel probably very worried now. They know AMD is real competition now.
And this benchmarks aren't in the new BIOS uptade, wich gives 30-50 general fps in games.
such wow
@@worztbeats8189 That was like one test with minimum framerates. Don't get too crazy
intel doesnt even bother lowering the price, lol.
Thank's for a very detailed review. Looking forward to more.
As always, Paul remains the only internet voice to really listen to regarding these matters
thegeorgezila oh, mainly because he managed to say everything I needed to know in pretty much 15 mins. Whereas most other vids available seem to ramble on for a lot longer. Plus he's always clear & concise.... I personally like his tone and conversational approach to presenting.... Ummmmm, apart from that I can't think of anything else to justify my personal opinion to a complete stranger. But I hope this helps you, please let me know if not.
Thank you for including the Ryzen 7 2700X
Consumers: "I'm getting one of those!"
Intel: *Trying not to cry* " 10nm is coming soon...
AMD: *Smirks*
mine was different.. I wanted 3900x, looked at the gaming benchmarks and showed the middle finger to AMD and stays with 9700k
@@KOOLBOI2006 well if you already had a 9700k, no reason to upgrade at all at least for a few more years anyways.
@@KOOLBOI2006 I have the i9 9900k and AMD on 7nm don't beat the gaming performance of Intel 14nm, fuck AMD!
I mean, if you have the money, go ahead! Whatever your wallet can afford. Some of us, however, are what you would consider “poor”. The new amd stuff is really, REALLY, good news. Lower prices, much higher productivity marks, it’s an obvious buy for most of us. I also don’t need a 5ghz overclock to easily achieve 144hz for gaming.
@@comannorbert until you start to stream :)
Paul. Which motherboard do you recommend me to buy for the 3600x? I prefer no LEDs, lots of fans connections for my pump and 8 fans, maybe more if I liquid cool the new CPU. Durability is important for me because I don't upgrade all the time.
Good detailed review and comparison. Impressive results using the Noctua 120mm air cooler 😎👍
Hey Paul! Could you please do a test of R5 3600X vs R7 3700X with a 3000mhz stick ram vs 3200mhz stick ram vs 3600mhz stick?
When your RUclips feed is filled with Ryzen 3000 benchmarks and out of all of them you pick Paul's..
Really man you work very hard for this video. Keep it up. 👍👍👍
Thanks for all the hard work and data!
Unless you only play Rise of Tomb Raider for a life time, there is no reason for buy 9900k over ryzen 3900X or even 3700X that's far more cheaper.
What about the reason that 9900K still pushes the best FPS in all games, who cares about price.
@@DJHEADPHONENINJA Because it run at 400mhz more, and 5 fps for 400mhz for 200$ of difference +the fact that consume like a town and burn your house... well. Just useless intel chips. Look the reality noob
i9 9900k is better for gaming
@@cthulhu4606 barely tho. Is five percent worth it?
@@seamusbyrne8259 yes if you can afford it
Absolute win for AMD !!!!! Thanks men !
Great review! I am eager to see overclocking results. After you get some sleep, perhaps go into depth with thermals and cooling solutions and so on? I'm keen to finds out realistic overclocking targets for each chip, without going too crazy on cooling and to see where they all land next to each other with said overclocks. Thanks!
As always Paul, thank you for the great review! looking forward to the next one! thanks!
"Wow, AMD, wow." -Paul
but what color socks were you wearing?
(i do appreciate the supe specific specs though lol)
I think is important to mention that the tsmc 7nm silicon is kind of limited by the imposed amd locks so that i stays very efficient and because of that when one of the 3 locks is hit even if the other 2 are not, youre cpu will stop increasing the frequency and you hit that frequency wall. Here are the silicon frequency locks described on the anandtech article:
"Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket.
This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors.
Thermal Design Current (TDC): The maximum amount of current delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators when under thermally constrained scenarios (high temperatures)
This is 60A for 65W TDP processors, and 95A for 105W TDP processors.
Electrical Design Current (EDC): This is the maximum amount of current at any instantaneous short period of time that can be delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators.
This is 90A for 65W TDP processors, and 140A for 105W TDP processors."
I think Intel has a way wider margin on those , and i think is one of the reasons why those intel cpus clock much higher but also draw much more juice , amd wanted those to be efficient , the vrms on x570 are way overdone for those power draw limits, also in terms of cooling wouldnt be a problem for some high end noctua cooler or good aio , but it doesnt matter since your locked by amd and that pbo it think doesnt really cross the power boundaries , or if it does is very limited %
For anyone who is interested, Micro Center currently has the 2700X at $200. And, $30 off when purchased with a compatible motherboard. That's an absolute steal.
The 3700x is running insane performance for those power draw and temps results.
Good balance CPU, 100% workload and good for gaming plus save money with electricity AMD is balancing the game good bench.
3700x is looking like the sweet spot for a sff build.
Always great videos coming out of Paul’s channel. The pacing is good too
Why are all these reviewers doing benchmarks on the same games all of which are known to be heavily optimized for Intel?
Probably because it will show you how competitive the new Zen 2 CPUs are in the worst possible scenario. You can only get better from there so this is a good way of showing how well it does outside of its comfort zone.
Imagine loosing to a last gen i7 in gaming, YIKES. Okay I'm trolling, but AMD has def caught up to intel in gaming. Still not ahead, but the prices make intel not even look like an option. Also are any games optimized for amd? I don't think so. It's not even the games are optimized for intel, the infinity fabric is just shit, Disable smt and the results would look at lot better.
@@lilililiililliil7277 and things will only improve for AMD with updated drivers.
@@lumbeeman01 Yea I'm pretty excited. I'm hoping intel can deliver soon too. I like having options, but right now intel is legit NOT an option at current prices.
ummm....hello....kuz logic
I think i have to upgrade my 2600 already! ;-p
lol ya, I just got the 2600x 2-3 months ago... and now this! That 3700x is looking pretty nice
GREAT video, Paul!!!
Man, I'm so happy seeing this video!
I chose 3700X (haven't got it yet, just browsing around for benchmarks while waiting xD )
and after seeing this video, I have to say I'm not upset in the slightest!
Even though other things beat it, it still holds its own and stays really close in some aspects to the competition, it seems like. even the 3900X
I may upgrade later, but so far I'm loving what I see.
Thanks for the video!
I’m not the only one that say “Excellent” when it comes up right?😅
Ah, I have money to spend and a 2012 i5 750 with GTX 670.
Money’s gone.
This dude looks like an evil scientist from dreamworks animated movies.
Bets comparison review so far! Ordered ryzen 9 3900x! Thanks!
Why not use the 9700k instead of the 8700k? Seems a bit odd
No, I don;t think its that odd... It would gain some in Gaming, but loose even more heavily in everything else, as hyper-threading is switched off in hardware. So if he uses the 8700K people like you complain, but if he uses the 9700K, other whingers would complain he's not comparing core/threads... He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't!
9700k and 8700k are same chip only difference is stock clock
@@razoo911 Another idiot who can't read! No the main difference is hyper-threading!
I've been an Intel fan for ever.... But.... I'm thinking .... Intel who???????
What shall we call this Sunday!!? I've been watching AMD benchmark vids for like 2hrs now!! Good job AMD!! And thanks to all computer nerds for showing us all these benchmarks(Optimum Tech, Linus, Bitwit, etc)!! Cant wait to do an AMD build!!
For me I primarily use my main system to encode movies with HandBrake in H.265 10-bit using Intel QSV. Because of this, and only having a GTX 1070, I have been sticking with my Intel 8700K. What I would LOVE to see is how these Ryzen CPUs stack up against there Intel counterparts with Quick Sync enabled as one of the encoding metrics.
Need x370 vs x570 Ryzen 3000 comparison!
And B450 for me :D
BIOS is still an issue for X370, no trace of a proper BIOS upgrade from Asrock so far , but maybe other vendors are better?
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 gigabyte had theirs out a month ago for all x370
Seems I’d rather get a x370 to avoid the fan on X570
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 Both my B350 Asrock MB got updated already. Strange that x370 is late
Great to see AMD so close to Intel in gaming performance and sometimes even beating them, makes me excited for the future; just imagin what a Zen2+ or Zen3 could do!
imagine if intel goes 7nm
@@gndmartins like when? 2022? lol
@@gndmartins lol 7nm in 2023
Krass das man dich hier Findet :)
Ich Überlege mir den 3700x zu gönnen. Ziemlich viel Leistung für wenig Geld wie ich finde. Würdest du es is sicherer finden noch ein bisschen abzuwarten ?
@@WotameIon Kommt drauf an für was?
Für reines Gaming hat der Ryzen 2600 doch klar das bessere P/L
In zwei Wochen werden dann die Preise sicher schon etwas gefallen sein, die Frage ist aber sowieso was du jetzt hast und ob du damit noch zufrieden bist.
Der P/L mäßig beste Kauf ist sowieso Ryzen 1000 oder auch 2000
Literally no one
Intel: we can burn your house with 9900K
Finally, Physics scores. Seemed like an obvious detail, but missing from most reviews so far. Thanks Paul!
4.3ghz max manual oc on 1 CPU at 1.45v otherwise doesnt hit stated boost clocks just short.
there was a bios issue they fix it yesterday noe need less voltage and keep high clock
@@razoo911 but still doesnt overclock more than 4.3 gamer nexus comformed this did nothing
Yeah... Ryzen 4000 will bring a bit of refinement, and ryzen 5000, if intel will not gonna do something that really can beat amd, AMD will smack them.
MirelRc I doubt Intel will just stay silent and let AMD absorb the entire market. I hope Intel will one-up amd and release something amazing and keep this competition going we have right now
@@adamforslow9327 that's what I believe too.
Finally retired my old Sandy Bridge i5 2500K, with the Ryzen 3700X. Arrives in two days. Binge-watching these benchmark videos 'til it arrives! w00t
I don't know what it is about your videos Paul but the focus on the data and the way you discuss the results really flows well and is easily absorbed. I feel like some other tech-tubers could take a lesson from you on communicating clearly.
Great work Paul!
Best wishes for you and the family - pet the dogs for me plz
No Views and 5 Comments with 14 likes seems right
sometimes , the "views " takes time to update than comments and likes
intel 9900k 322w 14nm
amd 3700x 161w 7nm
2x smaller tranis 2x less power consuption
Yea I'm not sure why but all 9 reviews I've seen seem to attribute the power saving to Amd architecture not Tsmc 7nm die shrink. to the point of major wowing over it and not even mentioning the die shrink at all. I mean its still yay Amd, just weird is all.
Went to Best Buy today to check out the new hardware, and couldn't find it. So, I asked a rep in the computer area about where the Ryzen 3 stuff would be. She calmly informed me that the video games were in another section of the store! Eventually I found someone who knew about the launch today and he informed me that they unfortunately did not receive any of the new hardware. Bummed, I went grocery shopping then came home.
Are there any settings on the motherboard to use less strict power limits? Just curious if PBO will take the frequency to a higher average than what was shown in these tests, if there is less of a power limit.
yes, buildzoid has made several videos on this subject before. on some motherboards there is a setting for the performance level for the pbo, and so you can set it to the max performance level. the next thing you can do is set a negative offset vcore, which will allow it hit higher clocks on single cores cause pbo is entirely temperature based. pbo wacks each core with a ton of voltage at a time sometimes up to 1.5v for just a split second to go like 4.5ghz plus. If you can bring the voltage spikes down with the negative offset voltage and still find it stable, then you'll lower temperatures enough to add a little bit of a boost to pbo
Sorry Paul, but we have to keep it at 100. ONLY 4 GAME BENCHMARKS.
damn that's lame
Im happy with my i9 9900k, still best for gaming!
great vid mister Paul!