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Heard an interesting theory about the X3D chips, and the way they were launched. Maybe they had too many chiplets, so they made the 7950x3d and 7900x3d prior to releasing the 7800X3d. Think about why they "park" a CCD during gaming. It's not a good look, but I digress.
@@AwesomeBlackDude The "X3D" CPU's refer to the L3 cache that is stacked on the CPU die. It has nothing to do with GPU's. It's about getting a form of memory that is extremely close to the CPU cores. This can improve performance with any GPU. That said, I do agree with you that GPU "MSRP" prices are a joke, and I too believe that they have been artificially inflated, and have been for about 6-7 years now, from all manufacturers. My advice, buy used. I am still running a Titan Xp and a GTX 1080 in both of my systems. The used market is looking good right now, so I think it's time to upgrade both systems. Got a line on a 3060Ti and a 3090. And before you say anything, I need the 3090 for 3D programs. I use 3DSMAX and AutoCAD. The VRAM will make a big difference for that.
With the insane number of hours put into optimizing speedruns, I really hope this doesn't become a thing for CPU reviewing. 😆 Just imagine the chip shortage that'd ensure due to all the bent pins from errors causing a run to be restarted. 🤣
Wait until the next review. "It's gamersnexus, we're here in the parking lot of microcenter with a tent and a generator setting up our test bench" lol.
@@mattk6827 And the next review after that "Ok hello guys, gamersnexus here, we bought AMD and Intel so we can be the first ones to give you real results, and basically, if you care about power consumption, buy AMD, if you don't, buy AMD anyways because Intel really isn't worth it when you also consider the board prices" nah but, yeah, they should really get #1 priority if a company doesn't give GN a product it's really bad, they're basically admitting "the product sucks, don't review it, let people buy it first!!!"
@@awemowe2830 ngl you can get cheap board prices for intel as you can still use Z690 chipset like what I got was only £200 and it works fine with my i9 13900k
1 year later...now that the 7900X3D is $400, the answer is YES...The 7900X3D uses less power, produces less heat, handles production tasks the same as the 7900X BUT has much better gaming performance than the 7900X as well. Therefore, the 7900X3D is a great "in between" from the 7950X3D (which is still very pricey) and the 7800X3D which has great gaming performance and horrible production performance. The 8000 series chips are a disappointment with only PCIe 4.0 and 8 PCIe lanes for gpu from what I've seen.
The 5800X3D is basically AMD's GTX 1080 - they made something so good and priced it so well, that they have trouble passing the bar they set themselves. I haven't been this impressed by an upgrade ever since i bought my HD 5870 a while back. It's one of those monumental achievements you witness once every decade or so.
Yep, just got myself a 5800X3D cause I didn't want to redo everything and go to the AM5 platform. Along with a GPU upgrade and maaaybe RAM, I think I'll be set until the 2030's, especially with the prices they're asking for a lot of this stuff. Might be the first time I keep a platform/system for 10+ years.
Its a great CPU. I have a 5800x3d! Im really curious how the 7800x3d fairs. I could see that one being the best of the bunch just because it doesn't have to turn off any cores and for the value.
@@SteelJM1 Hate to break it to you but even the 2500k couldn't last 8 years without serious compromises, we'll see huge improvements by the end of the decade.
The fact that they allowed us to use our older boards for the 5800X3D is probably the most awesome thing that could have happened for us. Being able to use my X470-F Gaming to run this chip instead of having to wait and see is simply awesome, especially when I realize that I will be able to run this current system for years to come. I truly think that in AMD's mind, they needed the boost in advertising for the 3D cache abilities and took the hit to do it, not really realizing just how awesome the 5800X3D would be and as you said, are now struggling to get people to see the value in upgrading to the newer chip with all it's needed hardware to get there. The idea of spending $1500 just to have a chip that is around 15% better is a hard hit to ask. Top that with needing special software to get to work right and to me, that's a deal killer. I truly think that the 7800X3D is going to be the only 3D cache chip worth getting in this gen.
I think the 5800x3d was really a watershed moment for AMD. Last hurrah for Am4 sure... But the new chips really just don't do it for me. The value proposition just isn't there. I think the one to watch for *would* be the 7800x3d but the reduction in clockspeed to artificially segment their product stack combined with the inability to overclock it (do these chips even support PBO... Will they boost higher, or is the max boost hard locked like the 5800x3d?).. Well its a d*ck move, AMD
Just wanna say as a 3D professional I can't be more happy about the power efficiency benchmark :) whenever a new CPU is released, your review is the one I'm looking for. That combined with the blender GN logo rendertimes is just perfect to make a sensible decision. We do have workstations in the office where I don't care about efficiency, but for my own system at home I very much do. Thanks and keep it up!
I to am looking for a new CPU for 3D work. This video has shown me that the 7900X3D is a waste of "Cache" 😂 so i am now torn between the 7950X3D and 7950X. i think i am heading toward the 7950X3D due to the lower power consumption over the long term, like @du ich i do a lot of 3D modelling and some rendering in Blender / Maya i also play and work in game dev so it makes sense. Thanks Steve and Crew for these fast turn around videos. You are the first 7900X3D review i have watched and its settled my mind on which options i should get for my next build. now i just need to win the lottery.
@@vic62cu Also my idea. build an extra pc with my current 3800X and the choice is either the 5900X or 5800X3d which is roughly same cost and then some 3600 ddr4 for the new cpu and keep my old 3200 ram for the 3800. Not sure the 5950 is worth the extra money compared to the 5900 if focusing on multithreaded perf. The 5800X3D can easy use my current 240mm Aio. The 5950 will most likely benefit from a 360 upgrade. But if really going for multithreaded perf. a shift to AM5 might be the better solution than locking it down to the old AM4 with no more upgrade path.
@mrdali67 i would say keep the system you have now and wait . Why AMD first platform for am5. Its honestly a joke to me. Wait until they get all the small problems out of the way. Why release a 3d chip then right after launch a 7900x chip then after launch a 7900x3d chip makes no sense to me. The 7950x is compared slightly to 7900x3d but why buy in all the confusion? I say wait until ddr5 prices drop and a better chip comes out.
@@mrdali67 i dont think am5 is even worth considering, 5950x is enough for multithread, do you NEED better perf or do you WANT its different from when AM4 was introduced in 2017, you didnt have options back then, well except for used xeons, now you do. imo the money you save can be spent on more ram better gpu if you need more cores, try to find a threadripper/ epyc deal (i would say get an 8380M if you find one for cheap, but i havent found one for cheap yet) although STH just did a vid on AM5 being used in 1U servers, which is interesting
My rig I jokingly call the “GN Value PC” where I picked my parts based on if Steve would sarcastically scoff at the value proposition of the selected parts
@@BBWahoo pulling its value weight 5 years later. I can say that I had a bigger performance uplift and stability increase in switching my CPU to the 5800X3D than I did switching from the 1080ti to the 3080ti. You're good bro
Could you test games like Factorio, Stellaris, and CIV on the 3D v-cache parts? These heavily favor the extra cache and I would love to see the comparison to other CPUs
It's going to be interesting seeing the 7800X3D vs 5800X3D looking at all this funky latency limiting parking stuff going on. All I'm seeing is I'm not going to need to upgrade my 5800X3D for a good number of generations (not to mention I got it at the sale price around black friday!)
I had ordered it but it would only be delivered on the 17th this month and after this review I cancelled, I might as well just buy the 5800x3d because then I don’t need to change mobo and ram too, thanks Steve. You saved me from spending basically 1500$
People on Ryzen 5000 look to be better off getting the 5800X3D for now until Ryzen 9000 or whatever the next generation is gonna be gets released. Like the GPU market, a 2 generation upgrade is a larger leap and offers better price to performance uplift
@@rcortez5979 I have 13900ks, but even 13900k is cheaper than 7950x3d beats in most games and absolutely destroys in multitasking and productivity and stability
It just occurred to me that your current game test suite only has FPS-type tests. I would really like to see some turn time or similar benchmarks be brought back. Just for inspiration, HUB does Factorio, Wendell does Stellaris. I like them because they don't need the crutch of testing at 1080p with a 4090. And they show more scaling with cache. So something to try out in the 7800X3D review maybe?
It's all a matter of sense: not a single lifeform on earth would play another resolution than 4K with a 4080 or 4090 and the only games and resolutions that come near a synthethic benchmark (non-reality conform) are the ones where you got too many FPS the human body could notice and 1080p. In higher resolutions you wouldn't even notice a difference between all the CPUs. All in all it would just be more senseless and thrown out lifetime on the whole working process of content creating to bring even more 'synthethic' game benchmarks.
I would like to see HOI4 (more single threaded) or CK3 (more multi threaded, compared to HOI4) benchmarks. Would get you lots of love from history buffs
I agree, some more strategy games *because* those tend to be more CPU heavy for all the various interactions, dice rolls/chance and backend systems. In some cases over the course of a long game you could actually be looking at genuine time saving between turns. Just before anyone jumps on FFXIV or Tomb Raider not being FPS's, I think @triforian is really just generalising them as being control your character and move around kind of games, I got what they meant :D
@@GERRaze Very few people play at 4K, even with a 4080 or 4090. Newegg is literally full of reviews with people saying that the 4090 is allowing them to get 600FPS in CS:GO (obviously not playing 4K) or that the 4090 is allowing them to max out their 360hz monitor in another game. Most people are literally buying those cards to pair 1920x1080p monitor. That's literally the truth.
@@MistyKathrine I entirely agree. Let's be honest, 4k gaming, especially for demanding games, is still a no-go, maxed out, at high FPS. I mean, natively, not with gimmicks like DLSS. So definitely, most people go for high or extremely high FPS on monitors with very high refresh rates, at 1080p or 1440p. Definitely not 4k. Not to mention, that if you enable Ray Tracing in games that support it, especially at 4k, your FPS decrease radically. And not only in 4k, on every resolution. 4k is definitely the most negatively impacted, though.
I recently bought a 5800x3d because I had left over DDR4, I still semi-regret not going to AM5, but reviews like this really help calm my regrets. $/FPS works in my favor.
Not to mention that the charts are only showing stock settings. The 5800X3D is a fantastic undervolter- I set mine to 1.02 volts, which dropped idle temps by around 13°C, caused no instability, and PBO still overclocks all cores to between 4.4-4.8 GHZ. Just awesome. No need to go AM5 yet if you're primarily gaming.
Also, since the X3D series reduces dependency on communicating with RAM, speed and latency factors are not quite as important. So even budget DDR4 remains perfectly serviceable for gaming. Set RAM speed to 3600 MHz, with 1800 MHz Infinity Fabric clock, and you're good to go.
@@savagej4y241 I was tinkering with PBO and voltage with little changes, but ultimately, I was content getting the 5800x3d because its a "set it and forget it" kind of CPU. XMP and you're pretty much good to go.
@@burwood69 It's really also minimal how much more perf. you get with manually tuning your AMD cpu. Maybe a bit more on the ram unless you get really lucky with the silicon lotto of your cpu and your ram. At least with the older Zen2 parts. I got really little extra out of manually tuning my 3800X and 3200 Corsair kit. So I went back to PBO and just let the Mobo control the boost settings. Feel you get more from trying all core boost on Intel. Ryzen seems to be pretty good at finding a close to optimal boost for the individual cores. Just set PBO and forget it.
I respect that you turned around a review of this CPU so fast. That said, and FPS FPS jokes aside, have you considered dumping titles which achieve 1% lows above 200 frames per second from your day 1 coverage on the grounds that literally every modern CPU is a good experience? Seems like your 12 hours would be better spent testing games that still run poorly on last-gen hardware, like Cyberpunk, Flight Simulator, and Cities Skylines, as well as Civ VI turn times.
AM4 continues to drive price performance thanks to cheaper 10nm Global Foundries chipsets and 7nm TSMC instead of expensive 5nm. The breakneck foundry roadmaps are a hindrance to the industry, consumers, and taxpayers whose representatives in government are handing out billions of dollars that will never be paid back by these foundries.
today, june 9th 2024, the 79000x3d is on Amazon for $329 while the 7900x is $365. I guess all the bad press eventually worked out for me I'm sending back the 7900x I just bought a week ago before researching these differences and I'm buying this.
@@bootchoo96 I still have the Ryzen 5 3600, when I upgrade I am going with the 5800x3d so I don't have to buy a new motherboard, plus? its a better value and considering I only have a 3070 it should be fine.
For it's money and I had older AM4 platform i just doubled 0.1 and 1% percentiles in CP2077 on RX6800XT comparing to R5 3600. And I sold my 3600 so I got some money back.
@@noahsmith5339 just make sure to update your bios before putting the new 5800X3D but yes, it's a simple swap, you keep everything else as is (ram, mobo, psu, gpu, etc)
i was really confused by Steve's conclusion here, saying "no" to this CPU because... it doesn't always match the performance of the superior model ??? DUH it's a lower and less expensive model, how is this a criticism? It's actually a bonus when it matches the performance of the top-of-the-line model, so you can make a good case for the value of this CPU over the more expensive one. A difference of $100 is pretty significant when this one costs $600. How do you go into this review expecting it to match the top model's performance and be disappointed when it doesn't? I don't get it.
I imagine it wouldn't fit well in your usual testing but would be cool to see you guys do some occasional or one off testing with VR titles. Things like the X3D CPUs have been noticed to really help out some VR workloads but there isn't much standardized testing out there, usually its just someone at home comparing their old vs new CPU when picking up a X3D.
@@TheShamefurDispray some vr programs like vrchat are very memory i/o-intensive (more so than most non-vr games) so it ends up benefitting noticeably from the much beefier L2 cache the x3d cpus have
I was literally thinking about a 5800x3d but then I realized I am doing alright and I was also thinking about a bigger monitor so the cpu literally became irrelevant in three simple thoughts. W for responsible consumption Thanks, Steve.
Do you play sims (racing, flight, etc), city builders or VR? If you do, buy it, especially for vr. If you don't and already have a Zen 3, save your money for that monitor.
@@CapaNoisyCapa 3900x, racing sims are fine and VR is fine-ish(~90-100fps usually); I'll definitely consider upgrading cpu when there's something in VR more fun than beat saber
I'd love to see the efficiency tuning from the X3D CPU's going over to the non 3D variants. Those power consumption numbers are remarkable compared to the non 3D's. Great job on the freaking quick review guys.
You likely can get pretty close in efficiency with the non-X3D parts. The biggest chunk of the efficiency gain should come from the lower power limits. There are other factors, like they probably binned the CCXes with cache for ones that run well on lower voltages, and some apps may run more efficiently with extra cache. But other than that, there are at least those three things you can already do: 1. enable PBO settings in the BIOS and put in the power limits of the X3D parts, or try to find limits that gives you good efficiency with acceptable reduction in perf. Most important one is the PPT limit here. 2. (easier) enable EcoMode. It's basically a preset of power limits, biased towards efficiency, but at still acceptable performance losses. 3. (easiest) Buy one of the Non-X variants. They come with lower power limits out of the box. they may be slightly worse bins, but otherwise the same.
I'm watching this review 16 months after it dropped because I picked up a 7900X3d for $327, significantly less than the $630 price mentioned. It seemed like a deal, but I don't watch the computer hardware space so I'm hoping it's not a rip off. The plan is to pair this with an Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super. Welcome any thoughts from you experts on this pairing.
@@lazycrate71 They said games, not scams and ponzi schemes. Unless you are actually fucking gullible enough to think the infamously incompetent Chris Roberts and his crazy stalker/abusive wife is going to give you a finished game.
Yeah might be very well worth it in several months when they do price drops. Something closer to the 5800X3D's current price would be a lot more enticing.
Agree. At the price. You either wait for 7800X3D or go all in on the 7950X3D. That said. New CPU's will never be budget friendly. buy last gen if wanting a real deal.
Great review, as always! I had my eyes on the 7900X3D but the prices are crazy. At the time of writing they are going for £659, meanwhile, I can get the following: 7950X - £560 7900 - £419 5800X3D - £309 The 7900X3D is double the price of the 5800X3D. Then there's the cost of motherboard to take into account... Lets not even think about the cost of modern GPUs. Unless the price of hardware drops significantly, soon, very few people will consider upgrading and PC gaming will suffer. A new PS5 can be bought for £500, £159 cheaper than this processor. Crazy times!
@@QueueTeePies Indeed! I'm needing a completely new desktop. For the cost of the 7900X3D I can get a 5800X3D , motherboard and memory! I'll wait until the 7800X3D comes out before deciding, I had hoped to get an AM5 system for longevity but at the moment the 7000 series prices are fooking insane!
@@DavidEvans1983 I’m going with a 5800x3d and a motherboard. It will cost me 420 euros and I already have decent 3600mhz cl18 Corsair memory. If I wanted to go to AM5 it would cost me 1200 for the likes of the 7900x3d with motherboard and ram , and all that , a 200% increase in price over the 5800x3d route for as little as 5/10% difference in games especially paired with my 6950xt
@@QueueTeePies or even better yet get the normal 5800X which is almost half the price of the 5800X3D, has the same performance in 95% of games at 1080p, can be overclocked, has higher clocks speeds, doesn't sacrifice workstation performance and also doesn't require you to spent 2k on a 4090 that will never be fully used at 1080p because anything less than that makes the advantage of the 3D cache shrink and if you play at 1440p or 4k you only paid extra for 5-10fps over the 5800X. Really the 5800X3D was ahead of its time in terms of not many stuff actually make use of the 3D cache but it also came out too late as GPUs aren't being done for 1080p no more which is a resolution that is slowly disappearing. My thinking is most people who have money to buy a 4090 will not bottleneck it by playing at 1080p. Still it is a nice upgrade option to have for previous AM4 owners but it is a very niche one that needs specific more expensive things to fully utilize it.
ideally the software would pick the optimal CCD for each game so the 7800x3d cant make it irrelevant, then you realize we've come to the point of having 2 slightly different CPUs to deal with the garbage software of today
Impressive work is always Steve and the team. Appreciate all the work you guys do, especially the quick turnarounds like this when the manufacturers don't sample or give you review units late. I can totally relate to Steve. How you say that's fun. I tend to thrive working in chaos.
I'd be interested to see how it runs in like a 4vs4 StarCraft II replay since that game is notoriously hard on a single CPU core due to the deterministic nature of the game engine, and it seems like that is where the X3D CPUs would really shine. Plus you can run the same replay and it will be perfectly consistent.
can that game even utilize the extra cache? I would wager a guess that you will have no benefit, and may even perform worse than the non 3d faster cycle cpu's.
@@valrond its not useless at all, its the first benchmark available. If you want to wait a week or longer, sure there would be more data available. Not everyone is going to do this though.
It does open the door for a potential 7600X3D since they're doing single-chiplet 6-cores+V-cache like that... but we'll see about that. It might undercut their high-end too much.
@@mchonkler7225 For that price, considering ddr5 price as well, and am5 boards, a 5800x3d seems to me, it would be better value, and quite frankly, probably quite close in performance.
@urstrully 92 7600x was bad value at $300 which is why AMD dropped the price a couple of months later. The 13600K was a MUCH better part at a similar price and it just made AMD look silly.
Oh come on! This was the one to get... and to finally retire my old i5-2500k! Meh, I might have to wait for the lower version before finally picking one of the 3.
This is only $330 right now on amazon for prime day, I think I am going to go with this CPU. I ordered an am5 socket motherboard and ddr5 ram because for some reason I didn't realize the (currently $170) 5800x3d was am4. I wanted am5 so I would have the option to upgrade sometime down the line. It is worth noting that it is cheaper than the 7900x, the 7950x3d, AND the 7800x3d
EDIT: No, I misunderstood the microarchitecture. Level1Techs explained it well. -5800X3D was a 1080Ti, AMD will never make that mistake again. Bet the frequency drop on the 7800X3D is to prevent it from embarrassing their higher sku parts and not competing with their next generation like the 5800X3D did.-
In theory, assuming the same frequency, yes -- which may be a good reason for them to not make one! We'll see. It might undercut sales. Depends if Intel puts enough pressure on them.
I've been waiting for this and you guys never disappoint. There are some 7900x3D still available and I was really looking forward to buy it, but after watching this review, it does not make sense. Thanks for help! Best on the market for these reviews.
@@cheekypig553 If you are just gaming, this is the best solution I guess. On the other hand, intel is also an option since the 13600k is also great for gaming and is not really more expensive.
@@cheekypig553 If you are locked on the x3d, then you have the right idea. If money is not an object and you want the better all around chip then go 7950x3d, if you are just worried about gaming or cost then the 7800x3d would be the better choice (as far as we can tell right now). The 7900x3d doesn't really have a solid space in the middle. It's a CPU without a use real use case.
Unless your doing production suff (7950x) you go with 7800x3d if it's a new build if you currantly own a am4 motherboard then drop in replacement 5800x3d (or 5950x for production) and wait till 8000/9000 ryzen cpu is released (you should be good for at least 3-5 years really unless your playing cpu dependent games, factorio/oni/ksp1-2/flightsim/City skyline/simcity/some open world games like tarkov) Production depends what your doing as a lot of stuff can use gpu acceleration so may not actually need all those cores The extra latency of the 7900 are 7950x just means that you will have more cores but double the latency (5000/7000 ryzen generally doesn't run any worse 8 core vs 12/16 core versions, the older 1000-3000 cpus the latency impact could be significant times)
I know you guys are busy and pumping out content so we can all stay informed in our purchases, thank you so much guys! However, I have a request. Do you think you guys could look at Asus' own x3d scheduler they have in their boards bios? I am really curious to see if their simple if/then scheduler is a better solution than AMD's whitelist method with gamebar etc. Appreciate it as always.
Just went from a R5 3600 to a R7 5800x. The deal was so good on the 5800x (non 3D) it made a ton of sense to upgrade and I’m really satisfied so far. I like seeing the 3600 still on the charts as I got so much value from that thing for how much I paid. Definitely coming back to this video when I make the AM5 jump :)
Does the chiplet with Vcache on the 7900X3D and 7950X3D really run that much faster than what the 7800X3D will? I keep hearing RUclipsrs point to a chart that AMD gave for price/clock speeds/ etc.... but THAT chart doesn't show the clock speeds for the Vcache chiplet. There is no frequency validation given in this review. You can't compare the clocks between the listed specs for these 3 CPUs because they're different configs since the 7800X3D ONLY has the Vcache core chiplet. I assume that its clock speeds are similar to the 7900X3D and the 7950X3D Vcache core chiplet but I haven't gone through ALL the reviews to look for it. THIS channel usually does frequency validation but it didn't this time OR for the 7950X3D so you're saying things that I have doubts about and because you aren't showing frequency data for the Vcache chiplets I don't know what to make of anything you say about clock speeds when it comes to gaming since these CPUs would be using the slower clocked Vcache chiplet, for which AMD or you didn't show any data for.
@@CollegeTakeTwo considering am5 motherboards and ddr5 are still pretty expensive, yes. People here usually upgrade faster than normal, but in reality most people last 5-10 years on a build and with that in mind "investing in longevity" doesn't apply. Value is getting either the 5800x3d or something like the 13600 on a ddr4 Intel board and it will outlast the socket anyways. But I'm such tech fans here consider getting a 7800x3d and upgrading in 2025 (to perhaps a 9800x3d?) on the same mobo is also a good value proposition.
Love that you guys are going the extra mile to pump stuff out first.. You needn't worry, regardless of your timing, your followers are coming here for a solid review like always - not evaluation of the colour gamut on the RGB - like some others. Thanks for your hard work GN! Dang, glad to see the 5950x still hangs out with the best in efficiency!
Scary to think about the performance of 7800x3d... The 7900x3d already looks kind of boring or meh. The 7800 will surely get lower scores. I got 0 hype for it as it is, maybe if they were to drop the price... but even then...
Likely the 7800x 3d won't be much slower than the 7950x 3d in gaming because the 700Mhz difference is between the die without the 3D V-cache and the one with. As that die will be parked while gaming, the 3d v-cache die will boost only to 5.25Ghz so with only 250Mhz of difference in gaming I believe that the difference might be minor to non existent if the 7800x 3D boosts slightly higher than the official number (common with other Ryzen).
So basically at this point since RTX40 is looking like a wash and RDNA3 has problems my best option is to wait for next gen graphics and upgrade my R7 3700X to a 5800X3D. Good to know
You shouldn't expect different prices for RTX50 series and AMD fucked up with RDNA3 and cannot ask same price as NVidia for their top product, maybe they will have something to compete with NVidia in the future but don't bet on it. Now best option would be 4090 and 5800x3D, maybe wait a little for 7800x3D to be released so price to be lower.
Amazing turnaround! Great job, Guys. I waited until release day, pretty hyped for the X3D CPUs. Ended up going with a 7950X after watching your review of the X3D variant. Big props again.
I have 7900x and was thinking i should have waited for x3D, and sell 7900x when it comes out but it turns out i will not buy it. It was already bad choice going to AM5, would be way cheaper to buy 5800x3D(i had 5800x).
@@ernestostrman5147 I was on an 8th Gen Intel before and my CPU was my main bottleneck. Core count was more important than on-chip memory for me anyway so 7000 series is fine
my next uprgrade is going to be a 5800x3d, since i am already on am4 and with a NH-D14S so it's a question of budget now, and it's performance is still incredibely good
The closeness in performance between the 7900X3D and the 5800X3D, combined with the fact that the 7800X3D isn't OCable, makes me worried about the actual value the 7800X3D will offer-if it's nerfed to shit, I'll be pissed
Looking forward to seeing if anyone can match or exceed the 65W-ish undervolting that was pulled off with the 5800X3D, without losing significant performance. I'd advise everyone to check the video on the channel from 3 days ago (at time of this comment), "AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks: $700 Gaming Flagship" (ruclips.net/video/9gCzXdLmjPY/видео.html ) and check the sections with the code compilation (for Chromium) and file compression/decompression (in 7zip) as well -- I was surprised to see the 3D cache version chip doing worse. I would love seeing an occasional test with Handbrake of video deinterlacing and x264/VP9/AV1 encoding speeds, as that's the heaviest load I put on my poor wretched i7 4785T (and roughly-equivalent i5 4460 before it) and would be further surprised to see not benefit from extra cache, but I recognize that y'all are already doing a tanker-load of work already. :) Thanks so much, and _especially_ for the power consumption tests!
Steve, I think it would be nice to add some games to your tests that might benefit from high core counts : Like Flight Simulator or Star Citizen (this last one for the 3D Vcache). Btw, thanks a lot for all your in-depth videos.
Purchased this for $469 over black Friday. I was thinking about the 78003D, but I just wanted the extra performance benefits in desktop applications. Besides $70 extra for four extra cores seems to make sense right? 🤷♂️
I think the 3D V-cache and chiplet design is the way of the future for the next 10 years on CPU and GPU. I also like the big little cores on intel's side. It is just a how well can they can perfect it hardware and software wise. I know the 7950X3D and 1900X3D are not great values compared, but let's see if greed will be the master or if real competition will come about again.
Had high hopes for these given how good the 5800x3d was .. Seems a bit more tepid though. Will be interesting to see how the 7800x3d stacks up, still optimistic for that one though!
The fact that only a 5800X3D SKU was released last generation is making a lot more sense now. Wonder what happened to AMD in the interim… Got greedy I guess.
I got a 5800X3D 2 weeks ago and a Nitro+ SE 6900 XT for $700. The seller also gave me the Alphacool water block which he didn't get to use, for free. He even offered to fill my car's tank to come pick them up. I honestly thought I'd get kidnapped or robbed for a moment. Best deal I ever got
Same performance in games for half the price. AMD won't even consider it before a while though, it would make their entire X3D lineup look terrible value in comparison.
@@afriendofafriend5766 Seems like 7950X wouldn't be notably different for productivity. I'm personally in the market for good gaming performance with a strong upgrade path and low power consumption, so 7800X3D is basically the ideal fit right now barring things like availability and stability.
He mentioned multiple times that the intel 13600k is the best value gaming chip. The 7800x3d would have a new release premium and requires the new am5 platform which is also typically more expensive than the intel mobos.
@JimboJet737 I'm just guessing, but since only half of the 7950 and 7900 get the v cache I think we'll see similar gaming performance. It will still cost more to run the platform but you'll save in comparison to the 79series and get basically the same fps.
Crazy how fast you guys work. It is much appreciated! Kinda as expected, the 7900x3D feels like an upsell product. Now if it would be a bit cheaper ... but I think AMD will have little choice but to adjust that down a bit once the 7800x3d is out. The drasticly lowered frequency seems to hint towards it being too close to the other two in gaming benchmarks. I wanted to pick one up but I have a feeling I should just stay with AM4 and get a 5800x3d.
The higher "listed frequency" for the 7900X3D/7950X3D is based on the non-vcache cores, the ones with the extra cache are around the listed frequency of the 7800X3D. The 7950X3D will probably have a marginal lead over the 7800X3D in gaming due to having a slightly better binned vcache CCD on average (and thus running around ~50-100MHz faster on average), at least when the core parking feature works properly, but that's it.
@@NightKev That makes total sense and I should've thought about that, thanks. I think a marginal lead is more than fine, considering the price difference.
Tbh, if you only game, I think 13600k should be the way to go for current gen. What’s the point of buying 12 cores and park half of them all the time. The problem with am5 is that the platform overall cost is too high, the mb with similar features in general cost more money. Even if the cpu drop in price in the future, the 13600k could also drop and you have much more mb choices.
@@RicochetForce The thing is most people don’t upgrade their pc especially the cpu for like 5 year as a bare minimum. Now amd said that they will support the am5 socket till 2025, and in that time people will not upgrade their cpu like 99% cases. And do you think amd will try to support the am5 platform for more than they promised? That’s just not possible. Within 2 years, am5 will be your so called dead end platform. I was considering am5 in the first place because the “future proof”, but the more I think about how I upgrade my pc, the more I think there’s little to no reason for going am5. Plus, as these reviews always say, buy into a product for what it is right now not what it is promised in the future.
First 7900X3D review I've seen yet! Cheers mate and well done to your team! I personally will be buying the 7900X3D, I'd like to think it's a good mid ground for professional workloads and a very solid option for gaming, yes there is better in both aspects and sometimes for less money, but apart from the price, I can't think of any deal breaking compromises the 7900X3D needs to make
I got my 7900X3D on sale for ~$450 when it was still $600 new. For that price it had a lot going for it. They're going for even cheaper now. AGESA, BIOS, and Windows updates have fixed almost all of the issues and I get great performance in every game, regardless of the CCD being used or if it uses both. I haven't had any problems in that regard since maybe the first month or two of ownership. It falls roughly into the same performance niche as the 7800X3D in most games and is even a little faster in a surprising amount of them. And in the games where it falls behind it's usually a pretty insignificant amount. It's still a 7000 series CPU with 3D V-cache and is still much faster than one without it. Even in a worst case scenario it's easily a top-tier gaming CPU capable of pushing the latest video cards with no problems. And outside of traditional PC gaming, the 7900X3D whoops the snot out of the 7800X3D in anything CPU intensive. More than 50% in some cases because not only 50% more cores but higher sustained clockspeeds too. With a good cooler my 7900X3D has no problem hitting ~5.2GHz on the 3D V-Cache CCD in many scenarios. For more modern and heavy games it averages about 5GHz which is still great. I recently ran Geekbench against a buddy of mine both using the same version. He has a 14900KS on a 360mm AIO and I have my 7900X3D on a Noctua NH-D15. Both at factory settings with 64GB of 6000MHz DDR5 and both running a WD SN850X SSD for the OS. My CPU outright matched his in single core score. In fact it was faster in most of the individual benchmarks and the 14900KS only caught up because it won majorly in a few of them. In multicore the scores were shockingly close given the big disparity in cores and threads. like 19000 for mine vs 21000 for his. It was not a very big difference considering the 14900KS has outright double the physical core count, plus 32 threads vs my 24, and uses over double the wattage. During the tests the 14900KS spiked up to 240W. My 7900X3D never went over 103W. I know Geekbench isn't the be-all end-all benchmark but the 14900KS made a pretty lame showing.
7900x3d turned out a better CPU than you gave it credit for. Certainly a superior option to 7800x3d if you are going to do any rendering, 3D modeling and whatnot. You got a cake and can eat it too.
I'm in the Intel camp and I'm still very happy with the 13700 system I built last month. I wanted to try Ryzen but the motherboard prices put me off not to mention the gazillion skews. I really appreciate the dedication you show Steve and the crew. We're regular merch buyers because you guys create great stuff and you deserve it considering how hard you work. You deeply influenced both my last two builds.
I'm team red but a full team blue with their ARC and hoping to see battle-mage GPU's, I am backing Intel as a Fk you to NVIDIA and AMD for price gouging but to encourage Intel into the GPU market. Those drivers are coming along very well nowadays. Plus I dont need to take out a bank loan for the next two years to pay for a filthy NVIDIA product.
@@gozutheDJ depending on the BIOS, memory controller, and Ranks per DIMM and amount of DIMMS used, you may not be able to reach that speed. For instance on my 13900ks CPU and MSI Meg z790 Ace MB I’ve only been able to get up to 7200Mhz Ram XMP speed (2x16GB sticks Single rank per stick) that’s stable in all applications. I think part of this is that I’m using two dimm slots and the current MSI BIOS only supports up to this speed at the moment. However If I knew how to manually tweak/OC all the DRAM parameters in the BIOS I could probably get it stable at a higher speed. However my knowledge is limited when it comes to overclocking and stabilizing ram. IM having to rely on XMP profiles. Hopefully with a BIOS update I can get up to 7600-7800Mhz speed. On a side note, I’m really excited for the upcoming single rank 24GB DDR5 ram sticks. I know Corsair has advertised these coming out. I”d love to get 2x24GB single rank sticks at 7200Mhz+ XMP speed.
I'm still happy with my late-adopted 12100F as an upgrade from a much older 3770k! Also an rtx 3060 12gb 32gb ram and an 1tb nvme m.2 ssd with some larger hdd storage along with it. 240hz 1080p monitor. amazing cheap price and good performance combo Actually got the rtx 3060 for free as a gift from a friend. so thats a lot of money saved right there!
Glad to see that the 13700K was a good purchase. I bought it only 1 month ago and everyone told me to wait but i'm glad to see it's pretty equal and I want to say a little less expensive.
Kudos on the quick turnaround on this, great work by your team. Convinced me that the Non-X 7900 is the way to go right now for value, power consumption/efficiency, productivity, and gaming mix.
I was honestly considering switching from a 13700k with a ddr4 board to am5 at the cost of new MOBO and RAM if the results of the 7000 x3d series was impressive enough. Now though I'll probably end up just upgrading the MOBO and RAM to DDR5 for longevity and sticking with my 13700k for the foreseeable future. Yes it runs hot compared to AMD but I already tuned that down with some undervolting and have it running at about 80 degrees under full load with a NH-D15s on it. Between the not very impressive CPU improvements and the high MSRP of the 40 series I'll probably ride my 13700k and 3090 until the wheels fall off or I am dissapointed with the performance enough to spend a hefty chunk of change on an upgrade, which needless to say will probably be a while.
400$ 7900x3d bought today on black friday. FOr that price, it's stupid to go 7800x3d because that sits at 399 (sometimes 370 if you get lucky). Crazy times.
Oh well, already bought it. Coming from an i7-8086k, it will still be a tremendous jump. I just didn't want to spend $700 on a CPU. Even $600 was painful.
I'm glad you did this video, my 7900x3d is coming tomorrow for a customers build which I'll be doing some testing on as well. It will be a gaming only rig pretty much. There are better options yes, but this customer wants a AMD chip and fits in his budget.
I ended up going with the 7900X3D because the 7950X3D went out of stock everywhere within 30 minutes of release and I really couldn't afford to wait since I'm moving to another state this month and need my computer for work. Coming from a 5600X, it's a massive improvement in productivity and gaming, but it's definitely bitter sweet though since I knew about the 6 cores only having access to the extra cache and it sure as hell isn't great from a value perspective, but that's the early adopter tax for ya. Great review as always!
similar here, i also couldn't stomach the 120gbp price difference h ere in the UK between the two for what amounts to a minimal difference in performance. the cpu was the last thing i needed so I wanted to buy one of these two (as I wanted the AM5 platform) and since the 7950x3d was also out of stock.. the choice was obvious.
Why is it bitter sweet if you are getting a massive improvement for $100 less. 6 cores is only a downside if it's prohibitive, and in 90% of cases, it's not.
@@StandTallTx Never excuse your purchases !! 😄 I will never apologise for mine, no matter how much someone else might think I am/was wrong. I buy what I want when I want with no regrets (apart from having far too much PC crap now from over the years). For context I always run Intel and have now switched to Nvidia (and Intel) GPUs personally. HOWEVER I did a build a while back for my brother in law and specced him with a B450M and 3700. Just upgraded him to 5800X3D which runs his MS Flight Simulator very sweetly on max settings @1440pUW even with his 2060 Super.
Late July 2024, bought this CPU on sale for 45% off MSRP, currently now only 30% off. GN you say don't buy but the value is obviously there, especially with the 13 and 14th gen INTELs nerfing themselves up.
@@NovaDoll people are already rushing to buy these x3D CPUs, if the 7800x3D performs similarly or better than the other 2 for less, it's pretty much an obvious choice for gamers to go for the 7800x3D = Less profit.
About the L2 cache amount you were talking about around 5:00, it doesn't really matter that there is less because AFAIK each core can only use its own L2 cache, so from a performance standpoint there is no difference between the 7950X3D and 7900X3D when L1 or L2 cache is concerned even if the total amount differs. L3 on the other hand is shared, although I'm not sure if the cores on one CCD can use the L3 on the other CCD, given they'd need to go over the infinity fabric and through the IO die.
Cores can definitely access data in the L3 cache of another CCD as that is required for cache coherency. The difference is that they can't fill the L3 on another CCD. The L3 on Zen is what's known as a victim cache: it only fills up with what got kicked out of the L2 cache of a core on the same CCD.
It would be really useful for streamers if you guys did a streaming(x264) while gaming comparison. Pitting the low performance e-cores vs the higher clocked amd cores might be interesting considering it's an actual usage case that streamers do consider when making their streaming PC, especially if they don't have access to NVENC encoding for whatever reason.
I've been looking at prices for 7950x and 5950x systems and components on Ebay for video editing. The prices are just absolutely absurd. There is no way I'm paying like #300-$500 for a CPU... used.... let alone all the other overpricedjvnk
Steve comparing an 8 core to a 12 core with a newer architecture..... it's basically better in everything apart gaming performance. No sense video. 7900X3D better chip overall.
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Heard an interesting theory about the X3D chips, and the way they were launched. Maybe they had too many chiplets, so they made the 7950x3d and 7900x3d prior to releasing the 7800X3d. Think about why they "park" a CCD during gaming. It's not a good look, but I digress.
What's the point of buying the AMD 3D CPU if GPU companies keep the MSRP artificially inflated by design?
Stop buying altogether, sry AMD.
@@AwesomeBlackDude The "X3D" CPU's refer to the L3 cache that is stacked on the CPU die. It has nothing to do with GPU's. It's about getting a form of memory that is extremely close to the CPU cores. This can improve performance with any GPU. That said, I do agree with you that GPU "MSRP" prices are a joke, and I too believe that they have been artificially inflated, and have been for about 6-7 years now, from all manufacturers. My advice, buy used. I am still running a Titan Xp and a GTX 1080 in both of my systems. The used market is looking good right now, so I think it's time to upgrade both systems. Got a line on a 3060Ti and a 3090. And before you say anything, I need the 3090 for 3D programs. I use 3DSMAX and AutoCAD. The VRAM will make a big difference for that.
Please run tests using AMD GPU with AMD CPU. It just makes sense
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Glad to see you're speedrunning CPUs now! This has got to be a WR, or at least PB.
With the insane number of hours put into optimizing speedruns, I really hope this doesn't become a thing for CPU reviewing. 😆
Just imagine the chip shortage that'd ensure due to all the bent pins from errors causing a run to be restarted. 🤣
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The all core boost held up really well during the whole workload 😆
@@ChrispyNut bent pins are just bad RNG. If you stand on a teacup there’s a bug that can give you better pin RNG.
@@CherubCow But only the cream and blue one, not the cream and red one and on left foot, not right ... right?
no way, Gamers Nexus team's quickest turn around time for a tech review yet!
Wait until the next review. "It's gamersnexus, we're here in the parking lot of microcenter with a tent and a generator setting up our test bench" lol.
@@mattk6827 And the next review after that
"Ok hello guys, gamersnexus here, we bought AMD and Intel so we can be the first ones to give you real results, and basically, if you care about power consumption, buy AMD, if you don't, buy AMD anyways because Intel really isn't worth it when you also consider the board prices"
nah but, yeah, they should really get #1 priority
if a company doesn't give GN a product it's really bad, they're basically admitting "the product sucks, don't review it, let people buy it first!!!"
@@awemowe2830 ngl you can get cheap board prices for intel as you can still use Z690 chipset like what I got was only £200 and it works fine with my i9 13900k
@@denied2182 £200???? that's fucking daylight robbery mate...a 5800X3D board is less than 80!
They prerecorded it 2 weeks ago, then pasted in the charts
1 year later...now that the 7900X3D is $400, the answer is YES...The 7900X3D uses less power, produces less heat, handles production tasks the same as the 7900X BUT has much better gaming performance than the 7900X as well. Therefore, the 7900X3D is a great "in between" from the 7950X3D (which is still very pricey) and the 7800X3D which has great gaming performance and horrible production performance. The 8000 series chips are a disappointment with only PCIe 4.0 and 8 PCIe lanes for gpu from what I've seen.
The 5800X3D is basically AMD's GTX 1080 - they made something so good and priced it so well, that they have trouble passing the bar they set themselves. I haven't been this impressed by an upgrade ever since i bought my HD 5870 a while back. It's one of those monumental achievements you witness once every decade or so.
Yep, just got myself a 5800X3D cause I didn't want to redo everything and go to the AM5 platform. Along with a GPU upgrade and maaaybe RAM, I think I'll be set until the 2030's, especially with the prices they're asking for a lot of this stuff. Might be the first time I keep a platform/system for 10+ years.
Its a great CPU. I have a 5800x3d! Im really curious how the 7800x3d fairs. I could see that one being the best of the bunch just because it doesn't have to turn off any cores and for the value.
@@SteelJM1 Hate to break it to you but even the 2500k couldn't last 8 years without serious compromises, we'll see huge improvements by the end of the decade.
The fact that they allowed us to use our older boards for the 5800X3D is probably the most awesome thing that could have happened for us. Being able to use my X470-F Gaming to run this chip instead of having to wait and see is simply awesome, especially when I realize that I will be able to run this current system for years to come. I truly think that in AMD's mind, they needed the boost in advertising for the 3D cache abilities and took the hit to do it, not really realizing just how awesome the 5800X3D would be and as you said, are now struggling to get people to see the value in upgrading to the newer chip with all it's needed hardware to get there. The idea of spending $1500 just to have a chip that is around 15% better is a hard hit to ask. Top that with needing special software to get to work right and to me, that's a deal killer. I truly think that the 7800X3D is going to be the only 3D cache chip worth getting in this gen.
I think the 5800x3d was really a watershed moment for AMD. Last hurrah for Am4 sure... But the new chips really just don't do it for me. The value proposition just isn't there. I think the one to watch for *would* be the 7800x3d but the reduction in clockspeed to artificially segment their product stack combined with the inability to overclock it (do these chips even support PBO... Will they boost higher, or is the max boost hard locked like the 5800x3d?).. Well its a d*ck move, AMD
Just wanna say as a 3D professional I can't be more happy about the power efficiency benchmark :) whenever a new CPU is released, your review is the one I'm looking for. That combined with the blender GN logo rendertimes is just perfect to make a sensible decision.
We do have workstations in the office where I don't care about efficiency, but for my own system at home I very much do.
Thanks and keep it up!
Opens the door to decent ITX + 4090 combo for 3D production
Curios.. what's your primary 3D app?
@@timotmon MS Paint 3D, I suppose
Cinebench too..... us Cinema 4D people find these benchmarks just as important. (I also use Blender and Unity for Real-time GPU videos)
I to am looking for a new CPU for 3D work. This video has shown me that the 7900X3D is a waste of "Cache" 😂 so i am now torn between the 7950X3D and 7950X. i think i am heading toward the 7950X3D due to the lower power consumption over the long term, like @du ich i do a lot of 3D modelling and some rendering in Blender / Maya i also play and work in game dev so it makes sense.
Thanks Steve and Crew for these fast turn around videos. You are the first 7900X3D review i have watched and its settled my mind on which options i should get for my next build. now i just need to win the lottery.
Still amazes me, that the 3700X shows up really high on the power efficiency graph almost 4 years down the line. What a magnificent CPU.
Im selling mines.. i went with 5900x .. it was fantastic move
@@vic62cu Also my idea. build an extra pc with my current 3800X and the choice is either the 5900X or 5800X3d which is roughly same cost and then some 3600 ddr4 for the new cpu and keep my old 3200 ram for the 3800. Not sure the 5950 is worth the extra money compared to the 5900 if focusing on multithreaded perf. The 5800X3D can easy use my current 240mm Aio. The 5950 will most likely benefit from a 360 upgrade. But if really going for multithreaded perf. a shift to AM5 might be the better solution than locking it down to the old AM4 with no more upgrade path.
@mrdali67 i would say keep the system you have now and wait . Why AMD first platform for am5. Its honestly a joke to me. Wait until they get all the small problems out of the way. Why release a 3d chip then right after launch a 7900x chip then after launch a 7900x3d chip makes no sense to me. The 7950x is compared slightly to 7900x3d but why buy in all the confusion? I say wait until ddr5 prices drop and a better chip comes out.
@@vic62cu Ya, Honestly I don’t see that much idea in AM5 atm, unless you really need the extra performance at all cost
@@mrdali67 i dont think am5 is even worth considering, 5950x is enough for multithread, do you NEED better perf or do you WANT
its different from when AM4 was introduced in 2017, you didnt have options back then, well except for used xeons, now you do. imo the money you save can be spent on more ram better gpu
if you need more cores, try to find a threadripper/ epyc deal (i would say get an 8380M if you find one for cheap, but i havent found one for cheap yet)
although STH just did a vid on AM5 being used in 1U servers, which is interesting
Love the dedication Steve! Helped me with making my new rig with all your reviews! Just wish I had more choices with GPUs...
Yeah... The GPU market leaves much to be desired at the not $900 class.
@@GamersNexus y'all make sure to take care of yourselves, god knows the industry will still need you down the line
My rig I jokingly call the “GN Value PC” where I picked my parts based on if Steve would sarcastically scoff at the value proposition of the selected parts
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1080ti 4 lyfe!!
@@BBWahoo pulling its value weight 5 years later. I can say that I had a bigger performance uplift and stability increase in switching my CPU to the 5800X3D than I did switching from the 1080ti to the 3080ti. You're good bro
Could you test games like Factorio, Stellaris, and CIV on the 3D v-cache parts? These heavily favor the extra cache and I would love to see the comparison to other CPUs
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picked up the 7900x3d for $300.. making it a huge upgrade from my 5700x am4.
It's going to be interesting seeing the 7800X3D vs 5800X3D looking at all this funky latency limiting parking stuff going on. All I'm seeing is I'm not going to need to upgrade my 5800X3D for a good number of generations (not to mention I got it at the sale price around black friday!)
I had ordered it but it would only be delivered on the 17th this month and after this review I cancelled, I might as well just buy the 5800x3d because then I don’t need to change mobo and ram too, thanks Steve. You saved me from spending basically 1500$
People on Ryzen 5000 look to be better off getting the 5800X3D for now until Ryzen 9000 or whatever the next generation is gonna be gets released. Like the GPU market, a 2 generation upgrade is a larger leap and offers better price to performance uplift
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@@rcortez5979 I have 13900ks, but even 13900k is cheaper than 7950x3d beats in most games and absolutely destroys in multitasking and productivity and stability
same here
It just occurred to me that your current game test suite only has FPS-type tests. I would really like to see some turn time or similar benchmarks be brought back. Just for inspiration, HUB does Factorio, Wendell does Stellaris. I like them because they don't need the crutch of testing at 1080p with a 4090. And they show more scaling with cache. So something to try out in the 7800X3D review maybe?
It's all a matter of sense: not a single lifeform on earth would play another resolution than 4K with a 4080 or 4090 and the only games and resolutions that come near a synthethic benchmark (non-reality conform) are the ones where you got too many FPS the human body could notice and 1080p. In higher resolutions you wouldn't even notice a difference between all the CPUs. All in all it would just be more senseless and thrown out lifetime on the whole working process of content creating to bring even more 'synthethic' game benchmarks.
I would like to see HOI4 (more single threaded) or CK3 (more multi threaded, compared to HOI4) benchmarks. Would get you lots of love from history buffs
I agree, some more strategy games *because* those tend to be more CPU heavy for all the various interactions, dice rolls/chance and backend systems. In some cases over the course of a long game you could actually be looking at genuine time saving between turns.
Just before anyone jumps on FFXIV or Tomb Raider not being FPS's, I think @triforian is really just generalising them as being control your character and move around kind of games, I got what they meant :D
@@GERRaze Very few people play at 4K, even with a 4080 or 4090. Newegg is literally full of reviews with people saying that the 4090 is allowing them to get 600FPS in CS:GO (obviously not playing 4K) or that the 4090 is allowing them to max out their 360hz monitor in another game. Most people are literally buying those cards to pair 1920x1080p monitor. That's literally the truth.
@@MistyKathrine I entirely agree. Let's be honest, 4k gaming, especially for demanding games, is still a no-go, maxed out, at high FPS. I mean, natively, not with gimmicks like DLSS. So definitely, most people go for high or extremely high FPS on monitors with very high refresh rates, at 1080p or 1440p. Definitely not 4k. Not to mention, that if you enable Ray Tracing in games that support it, especially at 4k, your FPS decrease radically. And not only in 4k, on every resolution. 4k is definitely the most negatively impacted, though.
I recently bought a 5800x3d because I had left over DDR4, I still semi-regret not going to AM5, but reviews like this really help calm my regrets. $/FPS works in my favor.
No mang wait dont go am5 or ddr5 just yet. Wait for price drops and better product
Not to mention that the charts are only showing stock settings. The 5800X3D is a fantastic undervolter- I set mine to 1.02 volts, which dropped idle temps by around 13°C, caused no instability, and PBO still overclocks all cores to between 4.4-4.8 GHZ. Just awesome. No need to go AM5 yet if you're primarily gaming.
Also, since the X3D series reduces dependency on communicating with RAM, speed and latency factors are not quite as important. So even budget DDR4 remains perfectly serviceable for gaming. Set RAM speed to 3600 MHz, with 1800 MHz Infinity Fabric clock, and you're good to go.
@@savagej4y241 I was tinkering with PBO and voltage with little changes, but ultimately, I was content getting the 5800x3d because its a "set it and forget it" kind of CPU. XMP and you're pretty much good to go.
@@burwood69 It's really also minimal how much more perf. you get with manually tuning your AMD cpu. Maybe a bit more on the ram unless you get really lucky with the silicon lotto of your cpu and your ram. At least with the older Zen2 parts. I got really little extra out of manually tuning my 3800X and 3200 Corsair kit. So I went back to PBO and just let the Mobo control the boost settings. Feel you get more from trying all core boost on Intel. Ryzen seems to be pretty good at finding a close to optimal boost for the individual cores. Just set PBO and forget it.
I respect that you turned around a review of this CPU so fast. That said, and FPS FPS jokes aside, have you considered dumping titles which achieve 1% lows above 200 frames per second from your day 1 coverage on the grounds that literally every modern CPU is a good experience? Seems like your 12 hours would be better spent testing games that still run poorly on last-gen hardware, like Cyberpunk, Flight Simulator, and Cities Skylines, as well as Civ VI turn times.
The sand in the thumbnail is the sign of death.
Glad that's becoming an identifiable theme! hahaha
That’s some insane pace
And it’s still quality content
Thanks to all of you for pulling that off!
AM4 continues to drive price performance thanks to cheaper 10nm Global Foundries chipsets and 7nm TSMC instead of expensive 5nm. The breakneck foundry roadmaps are a hindrance to the industry, consumers, and taxpayers whose representatives in government are handing out billions of dollars that will never be paid back by these foundries.
Got the 5800x3d in Jan to max out AM4 for one last time. Solid choice it seems 🙂
today, june 9th 2024, the 79000x3d is on Amazon for $329 while the 7900x is $365. I guess all the bad press eventually worked out for me I'm sending back the 7900x I just bought a week ago before researching these differences and I'm buying this.
$329.99 right now.
Cheaper than a Ryzen 7
@@magicpants0160 $319 at Microcenter right now
It's better than i7 13700k so it's worth it
@@magicpants0160yes and better in work
you guys made the review in 12 hours im here to watch it exactly 12 minutes after you release the video. COINCEDENCE?! I THINK NOT!
But WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!
@@GamersNexus must have some Mayan calendar implications for the end of the world...
@@GamersNexus I don't know, but I'm sick of crappy DIY tinfoil hats, you guys need to come out with a quality GN official one.
@@GamersNexuswell, it is a 12 core CPU
@@Incommensurabilities And there's 12 months in a year, and some people were born on December 12th, 2012. OH NO! Just messin'.
So glad I've got the 5800X3D. Thanks for your work team!
Once in a while AMD make breakthroughs that they themselves find hard to beat.
What made the 5800X3D so good was the simple drop in on an AM4 platform
@@bootchoo96 I still have the Ryzen 5 3600, when I upgrade I am going with the 5800x3d so I don't have to buy a new motherboard, plus? its a better value and considering I only have a 3070 it should be fine.
For it's money and I had older AM4 platform i just doubled 0.1 and 1% percentiles in CP2077 on RX6800XT comparing to R5 3600. And I sold my 3600 so I got some money back.
@@noahsmith5339 just make sure to update your bios before putting the new 5800X3D but yes, it's a simple swap, you keep everything else as is (ram, mobo, psu, gpu, etc)
i was really confused by Steve's conclusion here, saying "no" to this CPU because... it doesn't always match the performance of the superior model ??? DUH it's a lower and less expensive model, how is this a criticism? It's actually a bonus when it matches the performance of the top-of-the-line model, so you can make a good case for the value of this CPU over the more expensive one. A difference of $100 is pretty significant when this one costs $600. How do you go into this review expecting it to match the top model's performance and be disappointed when it doesn't? I don't get it.
I imagine it wouldn't fit well in your usual testing but would be cool to see you guys do some occasional or one off testing with VR titles. Things like the X3D CPUs have been noticed to really help out some VR workloads but there isn't much standardized testing out there, usually its just someone at home comparing their old vs new CPU when picking up a X3D.
There's no such thing as a "vr workload". It is just normal rendering like anything else and you're falling for a total meme.
@@TheShamefurDispray some vr programs like vrchat are very memory i/o-intensive (more so than most non-vr games) so it ends up benefitting noticeably from the much beefier L2 cache the x3d cpus have
I was literally thinking about a 5800x3d but then I realized I am doing alright and I was also thinking about a bigger monitor so the cpu literally became irrelevant in three simple thoughts. W for responsible consumption
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks Steve
Back to you Steve
If you play a lot of map games and stuff like Factorio, it's worth it.
Do you play sims (racing, flight, etc), city builders or VR? If you do, buy it, especially for vr. If you don't and already have a Zen 3, save your money for that monitor.
@@CapaNoisyCapa 3900x, racing sims are fine and VR is fine-ish(~90-100fps usually); I'll definitely consider upgrading cpu when there's something in VR more fun than beat saber
I'd love to see the efficiency tuning from the X3D CPU's going over to the non 3D variants. Those power consumption numbers are remarkable compared to the non 3D's. Great job on the freaking quick review guys.
You likely can get pretty close in efficiency with the non-X3D parts. The biggest chunk of the efficiency gain should come from the lower power limits. There are other factors, like they probably binned the CCXes with cache for ones that run well on lower voltages, and some apps may run more efficiently with extra cache. But other than that, there are at least those three things you can already do:
1. enable PBO settings in the BIOS and put in the power limits of the X3D parts, or try to find limits that gives you good efficiency with acceptable reduction in perf. Most important one is the PPT limit here.
2. (easier) enable EcoMode. It's basically a preset of power limits, biased towards efficiency, but at still acceptable performance losses.
3. (easiest) Buy one of the Non-X variants. They come with lower power limits out of the box. they may be slightly worse bins, but otherwise the same.
@@Hugh_I I've been using the '105' eco mode on my 7950x - it's been working flawlessly.
Something tells me that the 7800X3D will the most optimal choice when it gets released.
I'm watching this review 16 months after it dropped because I picked up a 7900X3d for $327, significantly less than the $630 price mentioned. It seemed like a deal, but I don't watch the computer hardware space so I'm hoping it's not a rip off. The plan is to pair this with an Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Super. Welcome any thoughts from you experts on this pairing.
For that price it’s great. The problem was they tried selling it for 600+
would love to see some benchmarks for games that really take advantage of the added cache... factorio, paradox grand strategy, etc.
Star Citizen
@@lazycrate71 They said games, not scams and ponzi schemes. Unless you are actually fucking gullible enough to think the infamously incompetent Chris Roberts and his crazy stalker/abusive wife is going to give you a finished game.
this looks like a cpu you would wanna buy at a huge discount.
Yeah might be very well worth it in several months when they do price drops. Something closer to the 5800X3D's current price would be a lot more enticing.
Agree. At the price. You either wait for 7800X3D or go all in on the 7950X3D. That said. New CPU's will never be budget friendly. buy last gen if wanting a real deal.
Great review, as always!
I had my eyes on the 7900X3D but the prices are crazy. At the time of writing they are going for £659, meanwhile, I can get the following:
7950X - £560
7900 - £419
5800X3D - £309
The 7900X3D is double the price of the 5800X3D. Then there's the cost of motherboard to take into account... Lets not even think about the cost of modern GPUs. Unless the price of hardware drops significantly, soon, very few people will consider upgrading and PC gaming will suffer.
A new PS5 can be bought for £500, £159 cheaper than this processor. Crazy times!
Yeah it's either the 5800X3D for those still on the AM4 or 7800X3D for AM5. That's it for gaming.
@@QueueTeePies Indeed! I'm needing a completely new desktop. For the cost of the 7900X3D I can get a 5800X3D , motherboard and memory!
I'll wait until the 7800X3D comes out before deciding, I had hoped to get an AM5 system for longevity but at the moment the 7000 series prices are fooking insane!
@@DavidEvans1983 I’m going with a 5800x3d and a motherboard. It will cost me 420 euros and I already have decent 3600mhz cl18 Corsair memory. If I wanted to go to AM5 it would cost me 1200 for the likes of the 7900x3d with motherboard and ram , and all that , a 200% increase in price over the 5800x3d route for as little as 5/10% difference in games especially paired with my 6950xt
@roenie Just pay a little more and get a 7950 X if you're into production as well. The 7900 X will leave you wanting more.
@@QueueTeePies or even better yet get the normal 5800X which is almost half the price of the 5800X3D, has the same performance in 95% of games at 1080p, can be overclocked, has higher clocks speeds, doesn't sacrifice workstation performance and also doesn't require you to spent 2k on a 4090 that will never be fully used at 1080p because anything less than that makes the advantage of the 3D cache shrink and if you play at 1440p or 4k you only paid extra for 5-10fps over the 5800X.
Really the 5800X3D was ahead of its time in terms of not many stuff actually make use of the 3D cache but it also came out too late as GPUs aren't being done for 1080p no more which is a resolution that is slowly disappearing. My thinking is most people who have money to buy a 4090 will not bottleneck it by playing at 1080p. Still it is a nice upgrade option to have for previous AM4 owners but it is a very niche one that needs specific more expensive things to fully utilize it.
Tying cpu functionality to gamebar is like stomping on your own nuts
ideally the software would pick the optimal CCD for each game so the 7800x3d cant make it irrelevant, then you realize we've come to the point of having 2 slightly different CPUs to deal with the garbage software of today
I said it once and I'll say it again, AMD fucked up hard by releasing the 5800X3D.
5800X3D is king.
Impressive work is always Steve and the team. Appreciate all the work you guys do, especially the quick turnarounds like this when the manufacturers don't sample or give you review units late.
I can totally relate to Steve. How you say that's fun. I tend to thrive working in chaos.
I'd be interested to see how it runs in like a 4vs4 StarCraft II replay since that game is notoriously hard on a single CPU core due to the deterministic nature of the game engine, and it seems like that is where the X3D CPUs would really shine. Plus you can run the same replay and it will be perfectly consistent.
Thats a good tip actually, i had many issues cus of my old CPU with SC2. Id love to see some tests too!
Don't expect to see that here. They do the same 4-5 cookie cutter games. I'm sorry to say that, but this test is basically useless.
can that game even utilize the extra cache? I would wager a guess that you will have no benefit, and may even perform worse than the non 3d faster cycle cpu's.
@@valrond its not useless at all, its the first benchmark available. If you want to wait a week or longer, sure there would be more data available. Not everyone is going to do this though.
@@Rem_NL5800X3D beats the 5800X easily in Starcraft 2.
6x3d cores vs 8x3d cores. Good one AMD
It does open the door for a potential 7600X3D since they're doing single-chiplet 6-cores+V-cache like that... but we'll see about that. It might undercut their high-end too much.
A 7600x3d for $300-350 would be a nice option. Maybe in 6-8 months they'll release one.
@@mchonkler7225 For that price, considering ddr5 price as well, and am5 boards, a 5800x3d seems to me, it would be better value, and quite frankly, probably quite close in performance.
@mchonkler7225 yay a 6 core for £350, cant wait. We going back to 2012 pricing?
@urstrully 92 7600x was bad value at $300 which is why AMD dropped the price a couple of months later. The 13600K was a MUCH better part at a similar price and it just made AMD look silly.
Oh come on! This was the one to get... and to finally retire my old i5-2500k! Meh, I might have to wait for the lower version before finally picking one of the 3.
id just buy the 5800x3d, well built chip egineering wise. The other cpu would be the i5 13k.
This is only $330 right now on amazon for prime day, I think I am going to go with this CPU. I ordered an am5 socket motherboard and ddr5 ram because for some reason I didn't realize the (currently $170) 5800x3d was am4. I wanted am5 so I would have the option to upgrade sometime down the line. It is worth noting that it is cheaper than the 7900x, the 7950x3d, AND the 7800x3d
EDIT: No, I misunderstood the microarchitecture. Level1Techs explained it well.
-5800X3D was a 1080Ti, AMD will never make that mistake again. Bet the frequency drop on the 7800X3D is to prevent it from embarrassing their higher sku parts and not competing with their next generation like the 5800X3D did.-
So, basically this should perform the same in games as a 7600x3d if there ever is one?
In theory, assuming the same frequency, yes -- which may be a good reason for them to not make one! We'll see. It might undercut sales. Depends if Intel puts enough pressure on them.
@@GamersNexus Probably why there wasn't a 5600X3d in the first place. What a shame.
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I've been waiting for this and you guys never disappoint.
There are some 7900x3D still available and I was really looking forward to buy it, but after watching this review, it does not make sense.
Thanks for help!
Best on the market for these reviews.
Same, was looking at the 7900x3d to replace my i5 9400F but this review fully ruined that idea, so I'm going to wait for the 7800x3d instead
@@cheekypig553 If you are just gaming, this is the best solution I guess. On the other hand, intel is also an option since the 13600k is also great for gaming and is not really more expensive.
@@cheekypig553 If you are locked on the x3d, then you have the right idea. If money is not an object and you want the better all around chip then go 7950x3d, if you are just worried about gaming or cost then the 7800x3d would be the better choice (as far as we can tell right now). The 7900x3d doesn't really have a solid space in the middle. It's a CPU without a use real use case.
Unless your doing production suff (7950x) you go with 7800x3d if it's a new build
if you currantly own a am4 motherboard then drop in replacement 5800x3d (or 5950x for production) and wait till 8000/9000 ryzen cpu is released (you should be good for at least 3-5 years really unless your playing cpu dependent games, factorio/oni/ksp1-2/flightsim/City skyline/simcity/some open world games like tarkov)
Production depends what your doing as a lot of stuff can use gpu acceleration so may not actually need all those cores
The extra latency of the 7900 are 7950x just means that you will have more cores but double the latency (5000/7000 ryzen generally doesn't run any worse 8 core vs 12/16 core versions, the older 1000-3000 cpus the latency impact could be significant times)
same here.
Now that the price is $409, would you, kindly, go back to this CPU to re-review it? It's ~$200 cheaper now, so the narrative deserves an upgrade.
I know you guys are busy and pumping out content so we can all stay informed in our purchases, thank you so much guys! However, I have a request. Do you think you guys could look at Asus' own x3d scheduler they have in their boards bios? I am really curious to see if their simple if/then scheduler is a better solution than AMD's whitelist method with gamebar etc. Appreciate it as always.
Oh really, I didn't know that
5800X3D - THE 1080Ti of CPU's
Just went from a R5 3600 to a R7 5800x. The deal was so good on the 5800x (non 3D) it made a ton of sense to upgrade and I’m really satisfied so far. I like seeing the 3600 still on the charts as I got so much value from that thing for how much I paid. Definitely coming back to this video when I make the AM5 jump :)
I just upgraded from a R5 3600 to a R7 5800X3D! It's a really good deal at current pricing, couldn't turn it down. Amazing increase of performance.
i went from 3700x to 5800x3d; ithe extra cache will make a meaningful difference for years with games and their high res textures
I love my 5800 X Also.
Does the chiplet with Vcache on the 7900X3D and 7950X3D really run that much faster than what the 7800X3D will?
I keep hearing RUclipsrs point to a chart that AMD gave for price/clock speeds/ etc.... but THAT chart doesn't show the clock speeds for the Vcache chiplet. There is no frequency validation given in this review.
You can't compare the clocks between the listed specs for these 3 CPUs because they're different configs since the 7800X3D ONLY has the Vcache core chiplet. I assume that its clock speeds are similar to the 7900X3D and the 7950X3D Vcache core chiplet but I haven't gone through ALL the reviews to look for it. THIS channel usually does frequency validation but it didn't this time OR for the 7950X3D so you're saying things that I have doubts about and because you aren't showing frequency data for the Vcache chiplets I don't know what to make of anything you say about clock speeds when it comes to gaming since these CPUs would be using the slower clocked Vcache chiplet, for which AMD or you didn't show any data for.
Sure wish you'd include the Non-X AMD chips in the benchmark charts.
Whoah, quick work guys!
Can't wait for the 7800x3d, that seems like the best value proposition, considering I only really want it for gaming.
Honestly the value proposition is still the 5800x3d
@@doctortheeeven at 350?
@@CollegeTakeTwoit can be found for $320
@@CollegeTakeTwo considering am5 motherboards and ddr5 are still pretty expensive, yes.
People here usually upgrade faster than normal, but in reality most people last 5-10 years on a build and with that in mind "investing in longevity" doesn't apply. Value is getting either the 5800x3d or something like the 13600 on a ddr4 Intel board and it will outlast the socket anyways.
But I'm such tech fans here consider getting a 7800x3d and upgrading in 2025 (to perhaps a 9800x3d?) on the same mobo is also a good value proposition.
@@doctorthee I mean, I'm kinda on a 10th gen i7, so It's about time to upgrade.
Love that you guys are going the extra mile to pump stuff out first.. You needn't worry, regardless of your timing, your followers are coming here for a solid review like always - not evaluation of the colour gamut on the RGB - like some others. Thanks for your hard work GN!
Dang, glad to see the 5950x still hangs out with the best in efficiency!
Great review. Still not compelled move up. I7-13700k is $360 at Microcenter and is trading blows throughout the benchmarks.
Still no simulation games. Far Cy 6, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, CS: GO.
Who spends this much in a CPU to play those games?
Scary to think about the performance of 7800x3d... The 7900x3d already looks kind of boring or meh. The 7800 will surely get lower scores. I got 0 hype for it as it is, maybe if they were to drop the price... but even then...
Likely the 7800x 3d won't be much slower than the 7950x 3d in gaming because the 700Mhz difference is between the die without the 3D V-cache and the one with. As that die will be parked while gaming, the 3d v-cache die will boost only to 5.25Ghz so with only 250Mhz of difference in gaming I believe that the difference might be minor to non existent if the 7800x 3D boosts slightly higher than the official number (common with other Ryzen).
Lol it will be slightly faster
So basically at this point since RTX40 is looking like a wash and RDNA3 has problems my best option is to wait for next gen graphics and upgrade my R7 3700X to a 5800X3D. Good to know
The 4090 is good, just expensive. Otherwise yeah. May as well stay on older hardware.
4070ti is good if u find it at the right price. Below MSRP
You shouldn't expect different prices for RTX50 series and AMD fucked up with RDNA3 and cannot ask same price as NVidia for their top product, maybe they will have something to compete with NVidia in the future but don't bet on it.
Now best option would be 4090 and 5800x3D, maybe wait a little for 7800x3D to be released so price to be lower.
Amazing turnaround! Great job, Guys. I waited until release day, pretty hyped for the X3D CPUs. Ended up going with a 7950X after watching your review of the X3D variant. Big props again.
I have 7900x and was thinking i should have waited for x3D, and sell 7900x when it comes out but it turns out i will not buy it. It was already bad choice going to AM5, would be way cheaper to buy 5800x3D(i had 5800x).
@@ernestostrman5147 I was on an 8th Gen Intel before and my CPU was my main bottleneck. Core count was more important than on-chip memory for me anyway so 7000 series is fine
We should just call the 5800X3D the R73D, and anything after it as That New One I'm Not Gonna Say
Will these systems work well in 10+ years if/when Xbox Game Bar is deprecated and no longer supported?
my next uprgrade is going to be a 5800x3d, since i am already on am4 and with a NH-D14S so it's a question of budget now, and it's performance is still incredibely good
I would not wait. They will be clearing the shelves soon.
@@eternalbeing3339 I mean i got to eat
@@eternalbeing3339 u can find used ones, not ideal, but so are people buying old Xeons on AliExpress
I held off to wait for these chips, looking to jump from Intel for the first time in about 17 years, looks like the 13700k is getting my money.
yup these new i5 and i7s are the best money per peformance. The price is nice and dandy too.
The closeness in performance between the 7900X3D and the 5800X3D, combined with the fact that the 7800X3D isn't OCable, makes me worried about the actual value the 7800X3D will offer-if it's nerfed to shit, I'll be pissed
I wanted to hold off on buying my 13900k until the X3D chips came out. I'm really glad I didn't lmao.
So it performs well but the price is too high? Is that the takeaway?
Excellent dedication by Steve and the team at GN. Glad to see my 5800x3D still holding decent value
Decent value ? Its absolutely one of the lost valuable cpu for gaming still today....
Looking forward to seeing if anyone can match or exceed the 65W-ish undervolting that was pulled off with the 5800X3D, without losing significant performance.
I'd advise everyone to check the video on the channel from 3 days ago (at time of this comment), "AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks: $700 Gaming Flagship" (ruclips.net/video/9gCzXdLmjPY/видео.html ) and check the sections with the code compilation (for Chromium) and file compression/decompression (in 7zip) as well -- I was surprised to see the 3D cache version chip doing worse.
I would love seeing an occasional test with Handbrake of video deinterlacing and x264/VP9/AV1 encoding speeds, as that's the heaviest load I put on my poor wretched i7 4785T (and roughly-equivalent i5 4460 before it) and would be further surprised to see not benefit from extra cache, but I recognize that y'all are already doing a tanker-load of work already. :) Thanks so much, and _especially_ for the power consumption tests!
Steve, I think it would be nice to add some games to your tests that might benefit from high core counts : Like Flight Simulator or Star Citizen (this last one for the 3D Vcache). Btw, thanks a lot for all your in-depth videos.
Purchased this for $469 over black Friday. I was thinking about the 78003D, but I just wanted the extra performance benefits in desktop applications. Besides $70 extra for four extra cores seems to make sense right? 🤷♂️
but what about 4k? who is playing in 1080p in 2023 on 4090 while on 55' oled tv :)
get out of here stalker! :D
glad to see you here, you have great videos! 👍
anything over 1080p and the difference between all these cpus would be less than 10 fps. Thus exposing how useless upgrading a cpu would be.
I think the 3D V-cache and chiplet design is the way of the future for the next 10 years on CPU and GPU. I also like the big little cores on intel's side. It is just a how well can they can perfect it hardware and software wise. I know the 7950X3D and 1900X3D are not great values compared, but let's see if greed will be the master or if real competition will come about again.
Had high hopes for these given how good the 5800x3d was .. Seems a bit more tepid though. Will be interesting to see how the 7800x3d stacks up, still optimistic for that one though!
the faster ddr5 is negating alot of the advantage from the cache
Thanks to you and your team for the extra effort in getting this review out to us fast!
The fact that only a 5800X3D SKU was released last generation is making a lot more sense now.
Wonder what happened to AMD in the interim… Got greedy I guess.
I got a 5800X3D 2 weeks ago and a Nitro+ SE 6900 XT for $700. The seller also gave me the Alphacool water block which he didn't get to use, for free. He even offered to fill my car's tank to come pick them up. I honestly thought I'd get kidnapped or robbed for a moment. Best deal I ever got
well paid
This really makes me wonder what a 7600X3D would look like
Same performance in games for half the price. AMD won't even consider it before a while though, it would make their entire X3D lineup look terrible value in comparison.
Yea that or deliberately nerfed to not compeete with the current. :S
The thing is that cores *do* matter. I would still just prefer 8 cores over 6.
@@afriendofafriend5766 that's why i bought an fx8350 over a 7600x, 8 > 6
@@afriendofafriend5766 Yea, but budget is also a thing for some people. Would love to see a ~340USD 6-core with 3D V-cache
Sounds like I should just wait for the 7800X3D. Thanks for the speedy review!
Either buy the 7950X3D because you do professional work on your computer that needs it or get the 7800X3D because you only do gaming.
@@afriendofafriend5766 Seems like 7950X wouldn't be notably different for productivity. I'm personally in the market for good gaming performance with a strong upgrade path and low power consumption, so 7800X3D is basically the ideal fit right now barring things like availability and stability.
Gotta respect that it's a dogfight in the gaming CPU space now.
How about at 330 new?
SHOULD I GET AT THIS $328 FOR PRIME DAY?!
I picked one up
@@pokemonsuperfansame
Can't wait for the 7800x3d review. Should be the way to go for a gaming focused build.
He mentioned multiple times that the intel 13600k is the best value gaming chip. The 7800x3d would have a new release premium and requires the new am5 platform which is also typically more expensive than the intel mobos.
@JimboJet737 I'm just guessing, but since only half of the 7950 and 7900 get the v cache I think we'll see similar gaming performance. It will still cost more to run the platform but you'll save in comparison to the 79series and get basically the same fps.
Crazy how fast you guys work. It is much appreciated!
Kinda as expected, the 7900x3D feels like an upsell product. Now if it would be a bit cheaper ... but I think AMD will have little choice but to adjust that down a bit once the 7800x3d is out. The drasticly lowered frequency seems to hint towards it being too close to the other two in gaming benchmarks. I wanted to pick one up but I have a feeling I should just stay with AM4 and get a 5800x3d.
The higher "listed frequency" for the 7900X3D/7950X3D is based on the non-vcache cores, the ones with the extra cache are around the listed frequency of the 7800X3D. The 7950X3D will probably have a marginal lead over the 7800X3D in gaming due to having a slightly better binned vcache CCD on average (and thus running around ~50-100MHz faster on average), at least when the core parking feature works properly, but that's it.
@@NightKev That makes total sense and I should've thought about that, thanks.
I think a marginal lead is more than fine, considering the price difference.
Tbh, if you only game, I think 13600k should be the way to go for current gen. What’s the point of buying 12 cores and park half of them all the time. The problem with am5 is that the platform overall cost is too high, the mb with similar features in general cost more money. Even if the cpu drop in price in the future, the 13600k could also drop and you have much more mb choices.
@@changliu7346 Many people don't want to buy a dead end platform like 13th gen.
@@RicochetForce The thing is most people don’t upgrade their pc especially the cpu for like 5 year as a bare minimum. Now amd said that they will support the am5 socket till 2025, and in that time people will not upgrade their cpu like 99% cases. And do you think amd will try to support the am5 platform for more than they promised? That’s just not possible. Within 2 years, am5 will be your so called dead end platform. I was considering am5 in the first place because the “future proof”, but the more I think about how I upgrade my pc, the more I think there’s little to no reason for going am5. Plus, as these reviews always say, buy into a product for what it is right now not what it is promised in the future.
First 7900X3D review I've seen yet!
Cheers mate and well done to your team!
I personally will be buying the 7900X3D, I'd like to think it's a good mid ground for professional workloads and a very solid option for gaming, yes there is better in both aspects and sometimes for less money, but apart from the price, I can't think of any deal breaking compromises the 7900X3D needs to make
I got my 7900X3D on sale for ~$450 when it was still $600 new. For that price it had a lot going for it. They're going for even cheaper now.
AGESA, BIOS, and Windows updates have fixed almost all of the issues and I get great performance in every game, regardless of the CCD being used or if it uses both. I haven't had any problems in that regard since maybe the first month or two of ownership. It falls roughly into the same performance niche as the 7800X3D in most games and is even a little faster in a surprising amount of them. And in the games where it falls behind it's usually a pretty insignificant amount. It's still a 7000 series CPU with 3D V-cache and is still much faster than one without it. Even in a worst case scenario it's easily a top-tier gaming CPU capable of pushing the latest video cards with no problems. And outside of traditional PC gaming, the 7900X3D whoops the snot out of the 7800X3D in anything CPU intensive. More than 50% in some cases because not only 50% more cores but higher sustained clockspeeds too.
With a good cooler my 7900X3D has no problem hitting ~5.2GHz on the 3D V-Cache CCD in many scenarios. For more modern and heavy games it averages about 5GHz which is still great. I recently ran Geekbench against a buddy of mine both using the same version. He has a 14900KS on a 360mm AIO and I have my 7900X3D on a Noctua NH-D15. Both at factory settings with 64GB of 6000MHz DDR5 and both running a WD SN850X SSD for the OS. My CPU outright matched his in single core score. In fact it was faster in most of the individual benchmarks and the 14900KS only caught up because it won majorly in a few of them. In multicore the scores were shockingly close given the big disparity in cores and threads. like 19000 for mine vs 21000 for his. It was not a very big difference considering the 14900KS has outright double the physical core count, plus 32 threads vs my 24, and uses over double the wattage. During the tests the 14900KS spiked up to 240W. My 7900X3D never went over 103W. I know Geekbench isn't the be-all end-all benchmark but the 14900KS made a pretty lame showing.
7900x3d turned out a better CPU than you gave it credit for. Certainly a superior option to 7800x3d if you are going to do any rendering, 3D modeling and whatnot. You got a cake and can eat it too.
I'm in the Intel camp and I'm still very happy with the 13700 system I built last month. I wanted to try Ryzen but the motherboard prices put me off not to mention the gazillion skews. I really appreciate the dedication you show Steve and the crew. We're regular merch buyers because you guys create great stuff and you deserve it considering how hard you work. You deeply influenced both my last two builds.
just push your intel with a 7600+ kit of ddr5 (if you're on DDr5)
I'm team red but a full team blue with their ARC and hoping to see battle-mage GPU's, I am backing Intel as a Fk you to NVIDIA and AMD for price gouging but to encourage Intel into the GPU market. Those drivers are coming along very well nowadays. Plus I dont need to take out a bank loan for the next two years to pay for a filthy NVIDIA product.
@@gozutheDJ depending on the BIOS, memory controller, and Ranks per DIMM and amount of DIMMS used, you may not be able to reach that speed. For instance on my 13900ks CPU and MSI Meg z790 Ace MB I’ve only been able to get up to 7200Mhz Ram XMP speed (2x16GB sticks Single rank per stick) that’s stable in all applications. I think part of this is that I’m using two dimm slots and the current MSI BIOS only supports up to this speed at the moment. However If I knew how to manually tweak/OC all the DRAM parameters in the BIOS I could probably get it stable at a higher speed. However my knowledge is limited when it comes to overclocking and stabilizing ram. IM having to rely on XMP profiles. Hopefully with a BIOS update I can get up to 7600-7800Mhz speed. On a side note, I’m really excited for the upcoming single rank 24GB DDR5 ram sticks. I know Corsair has advertised these coming out. I”d love to get 2x24GB single rank sticks at 7200Mhz+ XMP speed.
I'm still happy with my late-adopted 12100F as an upgrade from a much older 3770k!
Also an rtx 3060 12gb
32gb ram
and an 1tb nvme m.2 ssd with some larger hdd storage along with it.
240hz 1080p monitor.
amazing cheap price and good performance combo
Actually got the rtx 3060 for free as a gift from a friend. so thats a lot of money saved right there!
Glad to see that the 13700K was a good purchase. I bought it only 1 month ago and everyone told me to wait but i'm glad to see it's pretty equal and I want to say a little less expensive.
Kudos on the quick turnaround on this, great work by your team. Convinced me that the Non-X 7900 is the way to go right now for value, power consumption/efficiency, productivity, and gaming mix.
I was honestly considering switching from a 13700k with a ddr4 board to am5 at the cost of new MOBO and RAM if the results of the 7000 x3d series was impressive enough. Now though I'll probably end up just upgrading the MOBO and RAM to DDR5 for longevity and sticking with my 13700k for the foreseeable future. Yes it runs hot compared to AMD but I already tuned that down with some undervolting and have it running at about 80 degrees under full load with a NH-D15s on it. Between the not very impressive CPU improvements and the high MSRP of the 40 series I'll probably ride my 13700k and 3090 until the wheels fall off or I am dissapointed with the performance enough to spend a hefty chunk of change on an upgrade, which needless to say will probably be a while.
400$ 7900x3d bought today on black friday. FOr that price, it's stupid to go 7800x3d because that sits at 399 (sometimes 370 if you get lucky).
Crazy times.
Oh well, already bought it. Coming from an i7-8086k, it will still be a tremendous jump. I just didn't want to spend $700 on a CPU. Even $600 was painful.
Same here, I mean it's a really good cpu.
I'm glad you did this video, my 7900x3d is coming tomorrow for a customers build which I'll be doing some testing on as well. It will be a gaming only rig pretty much. There are better options yes, but this customer wants a AMD chip and fits in his budget.
I ended up going with the 7900X3D because the 7950X3D went out of stock everywhere within 30 minutes of release and I really couldn't afford to wait since I'm moving to another state this month and need my computer for work.
Coming from a 5600X, it's a massive improvement in productivity and gaming, but it's definitely bitter sweet though since I knew about the 6 cores only having access to the extra cache and it sure as hell isn't great from a value perspective, but that's the early adopter tax for ya.
Great review as always!
similar here, i also couldn't stomach the 120gbp price difference h ere in the UK between the two for what amounts to a minimal difference in performance. the cpu was the last thing i needed so I wanted to buy one of these two (as I wanted the AM5 platform) and since the 7950x3d was also out of stock.. the choice was obvious.
I feel a 5800X3D would have been a better value buy, but each to their own. Hope you get some enjoyment from it.
Why is it bitter sweet if you are getting a massive improvement for $100 less. 6 cores is only a downside if it's prohibitive, and in 90% of cases, it's not.
@@clansome I was still on an X370 chipset and PCIe gen 5 was my main reason for wanting to jump to AM5.
@@StandTallTx Never excuse your purchases !! 😄 I will never apologise for mine, no matter how much someone else might think I am/was wrong. I buy what I want when I want with no regrets (apart from having far too much PC crap now from over the years).
For context I always run Intel and have now switched to Nvidia (and Intel) GPUs personally. HOWEVER I did a build a while back for my brother in law and specced him with a B450M and 3700. Just upgraded him to 5800X3D which runs his MS Flight Simulator very sweetly on max settings @1440pUW even with his 2060 Super.
Way too expensive though.
Late July 2024, bought this CPU on sale for 45% off MSRP, currently now only 30% off. GN you say don't buy but the value is obviously there, especially with the 13 and 14th gen INTELs nerfing themselves up.
Pretty shady of amd to not release the 7800x3d at the same time.
They likely can’t. Supply issues.
Agreed. That's the really interesting CPU.
@@NovaDoll more like people will see that its better at gaming than the more expensive two
@@NovaDoll people are already rushing to buy these x3D CPUs, if the 7800x3D performs similarly or better than the other 2 for less, it's pretty much an obvious choice for gamers to go for the 7800x3D = Less profit.
They need to sell the leftover CCD's as the 7000 series was a flop in terms of sales.
About the L2 cache amount you were talking about around 5:00, it doesn't really matter that there is less because AFAIK each core can only use its own L2 cache, so from a performance standpoint there is no difference between the 7950X3D and 7900X3D when L1 or L2 cache is concerned even if the total amount differs.
L3 on the other hand is shared, although I'm not sure if the cores on one CCD can use the L3 on the other CCD, given they'd need to go over the infinity fabric and through the IO die.
They can access L3 cache on the other CCD. That however incurs additional latency from the inter chip databus.
Cores can definitely access data in the L3 cache of another CCD as that is required for cache coherency.
The difference is that they can't fill the L3 on another CCD. The L3 on Zen is what's known as a victim cache: it only fills up with what got kicked out of the L2 cache of a core on the same CCD.
It would be really useful for streamers if you guys did a streaming(x264) while gaming comparison. Pitting the low performance e-cores vs the higher clocked amd cores might be interesting considering it's an actual usage case that streamers do consider when making their streaming PC, especially if they don't have access to NVENC encoding for whatever reason.
I've been looking at prices for 7950x and 5950x systems and components on Ebay for video editing.
The prices are just absolutely absurd. There is no way I'm paying like #300-$500 for a CPU... used.... let alone all the other overpricedjvnk
Steve comparing an 8 core to a 12 core with a newer architecture..... it's basically better in everything apart gaming performance. No sense video. 7900X3D better chip overall.
my takeaway from the review. The new X3D chips are really damn good, but not good enough to upgrade from my 5800X3D