Yes sir, working hard on it. It’s been a 10 year project and we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos out. Nevertheless, we want to earn every subscription and will continue to try to put out the best content we can. Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Stay safe.
I just picked up a pyramid trigger for mine from the Glock store. I’m a trucker so I haven’t made it back yet to pick it up and give it a ride. I’ll keep you informed on what I think about that one once I get it dialed in to my preference. I’ve never seen one in real life so I’m anxious to see how well their QC is on such an expensive investment. I got everything minus the firing pin. There is nothing wrong with the firing pin in a Glock and saves about $70.
Installed a Johnny Glock trigger shoe on my 43x, love it…. It’s a stock shoe with an adjustment screw to take you right to the wall if you want. Shoe was $20
I’ve heard great things about the Johnny Glock trigger. I will have to give it a try at some point in the future. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment.
Sir, thank you so much for commenting. I have two of these PSA magazines one of them has caused repeated stages. PSA just sent me a new follower which I replace and am going to test that to see if that’s problem continues. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment.
I understand what you're saying when you describe the feel of this trigger. But, in a real world defensive shooting event when adrenaline dumps you will never feel any of those things you mentioned vs a stock trigger. Hell that trigger could be 12 lbs and you are going to pull it come hell or high water. Don't get me wrong a nice trigger is a nice trigger but finite details are pretty irrelevant in actual shootings. Our sensory perception is so muted we lose some hearing, sight, feel, smell etc IF you think about it, not that I am saying it's the way to go but remember the New York Trigger Glocks had because of the requirement for NYPD to prevent light pulls. I think when it all boils down while many triggers improve upon the factory Glock feel, adrenaline will make you blind to which of them is in the gun. Thanks for sharing.
Sir, thank you so much for watching it commenting. I think perhaps You and I have different views of the importance of using the tools that will best suit your needs. I do feel in the proper hands improvements, like sites, ergonomics, and good triggers make a huge difference! Please allow me to share some thoughts that I have regarding this topic. Over the years I’ve had the ability to not only train with, but also teach a number of different people. I’ve worked with a lot of civilians and people law-enforcement. When you stress test folks with a timer or other things that gets that massive adrenaline dump and ask them to make a precise shot with a super heavy 12 pound trigger pull, even “trained” people will miss. You give those people a stock 5.5 pound trigger connector or 4 1/2 pound connector they make the shot. I taught classes for a couple of different years at the Massachusetts law, instructors association, conference. I recall one specific officer from Massachusetts who was using a Smith & Wesson, MNP45 pistol. The trigger must’ve been 10 pounds. It was absolutely awful. He could not make the head shots. Particularly under the time frames that were very tight and stressful. We gave him a stock Smith and Wesson MP .40. He had no problems whatsoever using that pistol. So I think you and I just might disagree about the importance of equipment, training and practice. I would also note that during several years when I was taking training every few months at the Sig Academy, all of the trainers transition from a double action/single action pistol to a single action only pistol. I asked them why, and they said it was far more efficient and easier to make precise shots under stress. The issue with the New York City transitioning to Glocks was they had been using double action revolvers until that point. Because of that and the lack of training before switching to a new trigger platform and new pistol itself, the police were placing their finger on the trigger and prepping the double action trigger when they didn’t need to with the striker fired gun. All of their years of training with the double action revolvers, put them in a position where they were instinctually, based on their training, prepping the trigger. So it wasn’t the Glock trigger weight. It was the lack of training. I knew a few officers who shared these facts with me who were on the force. Essentially, they gave them a brand new Gun …did not train them on the importance of staying off the trigger. Vs their previous DA trading with revolvers. And under stress, having been used to a double action trigger pull they had negligent discharges. The lowest cost solution for the New York City Police Department was to simply put in 8.5-12 pound trigger connectors versus taking the time to actually train the officers in proper and safe handling of their firearm. What I do know is we all revert to our lowest level of training under stress. Having had the opportunity to be a role-play in several semination events with, some law enforcement agencies I can tell you they and I both reverted to our training. In the midst of a fight, I cleared a type one stoppage with a tap, rack, assess, and fire. Because of the stress of incoming rounds, I had no recollection of doing it until I saw the video recording of it. Some of the officers were impressed at how quickly I dealt with that stoppage. The reason I was able to clear the stoppage on auto pilot is because I literally done hundreds and hundreds of times because of my poor quality reloads! When I was reloading and volume, I would often fail to properly seat the primer. I agree with you 100% that under stress and the adrenaline dump of a gunfight, the operator will not be thinking about their trigger, it’s reset or the firing rate. At the same time, anyone who wants the ability to develop a high-level proficiency that would allow them to make it precision headshot under certain circumstances will greatly benefit from training, practice, and a trigger weight that is manageable under stress , and is not cause you to disrupt the sites and site picture as you’re pressing the shot. I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and perspectives. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your insights with me. Stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Awesome response literally!!! You packed enough info in there to make a video about stress and it's affects of firearm manipulation that I think many would find interesting hint hint. My New York trigger may not have been the best choice to use but I was trying to think of an extreme example and that was as extreme as I could think of for as known trigger weight that I have felt before. It is heavy, I don't like it but I can shoot it. I think a better comparison to ask would be a stock factory Glock trigger (5.5lb?) vs this Defensive Trigger. Do you think the difference between them in a real world event is going to have as much impact on the margins of shooter accuracy as what you saw in your previous comparisons? I just can't see that it would because, I'm using a sample of one here... I shot Glock in competition way back before there ever was such a thing as improved springs or triggers. I managed .15 splits as B/C class shooter back then with a 6lb trigger. I've not shot any of the newer lighter Glock triggers but I can imagine the split times are going to be only minuscule less by only those who train consistently. The average person will just not have that trigger speed and gun control. So it brings me back to my point. These newer improved triggers what they improve probably are felt more by you because you know what to feel and are more sensitive to the trigger than a average person. You have more awareness of what that trigger is actually doing. Now add the crazy juice mute those sensations and a average person I think won't be able to tell much difference between it and stock. But I'd like to know if you've trained or seen where it's been tested to show otherwise. As I get older I find myself leaving my carry guns more and more stock. When I was younger I did change many parts trying to always improve things. I feel as I've aged, gotten a bit slower, hands are not as fast, eyes not as sharp as when I was 20, that I can stay just as proficient with my stock carry Glocks (XS Sights) and spend the money shooting more ammo. I sincerely appreciate your channel, I think it is one of the more practical real world applicable ones around. Thanks for all your content and responses!
Jessie, that was one of my biggest complaints as well. I typically shoot 300 to 400 rounds and arrange training session. The new design of the defender trigger does not have the texture that the Glock trigger has and it’s so much more pleasant to shoot. Give it a try. I think you’ll enjoy it!
Sir, thank you for watching. Triggers are subjective to the user. Apex makes outstanding products! Many people love them! However for me, they simply don’t feel right. What I like about the defender for system is it’s made with OEM Glock parts . Others may feel differently about apex. Bottom line, my personal preference is the defender trigger. I appreciate you watching and commenting. Thanks again.
Another great demo. He only needs 300 more subscribers. The content quality is outstanding and getting more diverse, let's push him over the line.
He's gotta put out more vids & He'll get it!
Hey Skip, always appreciate hearing from you. Thanks for the kind words. Stay safe, brother.
Yes sir, working hard on it. It’s been a 10 year project and we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos out. Nevertheless, we want to earn every subscription and will continue to try to put out the best content we can. Thank you for your comments and suggestions. Stay safe.
I just picked up a pyramid trigger for mine from the Glock store. I’m a trucker so I haven’t made it back yet to pick it up and give it a ride. I’ll keep you informed on what I think about that one once I get it dialed in to my preference.
I’ve never seen one in real life so I’m anxious to see how well their QC is on such an expensive investment. I got everything minus the firing pin. There is nothing wrong with the firing pin in a Glock and saves about $70.
Let us know what you think of that. Very interested to learn more about this option.
Installed a Johnny Glock trigger shoe on my 43x, love it…. It’s a stock shoe with an adjustment screw to take you right to the wall if you want. Shoe was $20
I’ve heard great things about the Johnny Glock trigger. I will have to give it a try at some point in the future. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment.
Hmm? I may have to look into this..I really appreciate the channel 👏🏻 thank you
You should!
I have the PSA 15 round magazines. Put over 300 rounds through them and so far, no problems
Sir, thank you so much for commenting.
I have two of these PSA magazines one of them has caused repeated stages. PSA just sent me a new follower which I replace and am going to test that to see if that’s problem continues.
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
I will be ordering the Defender trigger very soon. Thanks for your review !
I understand what you're saying when you describe the feel of this trigger. But, in a real world defensive shooting event when adrenaline dumps you will never feel any of those things you mentioned vs a stock trigger. Hell that trigger could be 12 lbs and you are going to pull it come hell or high water. Don't get me wrong a nice trigger is a nice trigger but finite details are pretty irrelevant in actual shootings. Our sensory perception is so muted we lose some hearing, sight, feel, smell etc IF you think about it, not that I am saying it's the way to go but remember the New York Trigger Glocks had because of the requirement for NYPD to prevent light pulls. I think when it all boils down while many triggers improve upon the factory Glock feel, adrenaline will make you blind to which of them is in the gun. Thanks for sharing.
Sir, thank you so much for watching it commenting. I think perhaps You and I have different views of the importance of using the tools that will best suit your needs. I do feel in the proper hands improvements, like sites, ergonomics, and good triggers make a huge difference! Please allow me to share some thoughts that I have regarding this topic.
Over the years I’ve had the ability to not only train with, but also teach a number of different people. I’ve worked with a lot of civilians and people law-enforcement.
When you stress test folks with a timer or other things that gets that massive adrenaline dump and ask them to make a precise shot with a super heavy 12 pound trigger pull, even “trained” people will miss. You give those people a stock 5.5 pound trigger connector or 4 1/2 pound connector they make the shot.
I taught classes for a couple of different years at the Massachusetts law, instructors association, conference. I recall one specific officer from Massachusetts who was using a Smith & Wesson, MNP45 pistol. The trigger must’ve been 10 pounds. It was absolutely awful. He could not make the head shots. Particularly under the time frames that were very tight and stressful. We gave him a stock Smith and Wesson MP .40. He had no problems whatsoever using that pistol. So I think you and I just might disagree about the importance of equipment, training and practice.
I would also note that during several years when I was taking training every few months at the Sig Academy, all of the trainers transition from a double action/single action pistol to a single action only pistol. I asked them why, and they said it was far more efficient and easier to make precise shots under stress.
The issue with the New York City transitioning to Glocks was they had been using double action revolvers until that point. Because of that and the lack of training before switching to a new trigger platform and new pistol itself, the police were placing their finger on the trigger and prepping the double action trigger when they didn’t need to with the striker fired gun. All of their years of training with the double action revolvers, put them in a position where they were instinctually, based on their training, prepping the trigger. So it wasn’t the Glock trigger weight. It was the lack of training.
I knew a few officers who shared these facts with me who were on the force. Essentially, they gave them a brand new Gun …did not train them on the importance of staying off the trigger. Vs their previous DA trading with revolvers. And under stress, having been used to a double action trigger pull they had negligent discharges. The lowest cost solution for the New York City Police Department was to simply put in 8.5-12 pound trigger connectors versus taking the time to actually train the officers in proper and safe handling of their firearm.
What I do know is we all revert to our lowest level of training under stress. Having had the opportunity to be a role-play in several semination events with, some law enforcement agencies I can tell you they and I both reverted to our training. In the midst of a fight, I cleared a type one stoppage with a tap, rack, assess, and fire. Because of the stress of incoming rounds, I had no recollection of doing it until I saw the video recording of it. Some of the officers were impressed at how quickly I dealt with that stoppage. The reason I was able to clear the stoppage on auto pilot is because I literally done hundreds and hundreds of times because of my poor quality reloads! When I was reloading and volume, I would often fail to properly seat the primer.
I agree with you 100% that under stress and the adrenaline dump of a gunfight, the operator will not be thinking about their trigger, it’s reset or the firing rate. At the same time, anyone who wants the ability to develop a high-level proficiency that would allow them to make it precision headshot under certain circumstances will greatly benefit from training, practice, and a trigger weight that is manageable under stress , and is not cause you to disrupt the sites and site picture as you’re pressing the shot.
I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and perspectives. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your insights with me. Stay safe.
@@GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC Awesome response literally!!! You packed enough info in there to make a video about stress and it's affects of firearm manipulation that I think many would find interesting hint hint.
My New York trigger may not have been the best choice to use but I was trying to think of an extreme example and that was as extreme as I could think of for as known trigger weight that I have felt before. It is heavy, I don't like it but I can shoot it. I think a better comparison to ask would be a stock factory Glock trigger (5.5lb?) vs this Defensive Trigger. Do you think the difference between them in a real world event is going to have as much impact on the margins of shooter accuracy as what you saw in your previous comparisons? I just can't see that it would because, I'm using a sample of one here... I shot Glock in competition way back before there ever was such a thing as improved springs or triggers. I managed .15 splits as B/C class shooter back then with a 6lb trigger. I've not shot any of the newer lighter Glock triggers but I can imagine the split times are going to be only minuscule less by only those who train consistently. The average person will just not have that trigger speed and gun control. So it brings me back to my point. These newer improved triggers what they improve probably are felt more by you because you know what to feel and are more sensitive to the trigger than a average person. You have more awareness of what that trigger is actually doing. Now add the crazy juice mute those sensations and a average person I think won't be able to tell much difference between it and stock. But I'd like to know if you've trained or seen where it's been tested to show otherwise.
As I get older I find myself leaving my carry guns more and more stock. When I was younger I did change many parts trying to always improve things. I feel as I've aged, gotten a bit slower, hands are not as fast, eyes not as sharp as when I was 20, that I can stay just as proficient with my stock carry Glocks (XS Sights) and spend the money shooting more ammo.
I sincerely appreciate your channel, I think it is one of the more practical real world applicable ones around. Thanks for all your content and responses!
I just bought a Glock 43x mos. I hate the safety lever in the trigger shoe. It digs into my finger. This could be an option for me.
Jessie, that was one of my biggest complaints as well. I typically shoot 300 to 400 rounds and arrange training session. The new design of the defender trigger does not have the texture that the Glock trigger has and it’s so much more pleasant to shoot. Give it a try. I think you’ll enjoy it!
How does it compare against the apex trigger?
Sir, thank you for watching. Triggers are subjective to the user. Apex makes outstanding products! Many people love them! However for me, they simply don’t feel right.
What I like about the defender for system is it’s made with OEM Glock parts .
Others may feel differently about apex.
Bottom line, my personal preference is the defender trigger.
I appreciate you watching and commenting. Thanks again.