Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe Over Normandy | DOGFIGHTS | IL-2 Great Battles | World War II | D-Day

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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +67

    Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/
    Thanks for watching guys, sound off in the comment section if you enjoy World War II content, and I'll focus on making plenty more in the future. Thanks for watching and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.

    • @Jr-uh2so
      @Jr-uh2so Год назад +3

      Bro, I enjoy it all! Legit modern and historical, your commentary and content is entertaining af!

    • @fmj1729
      @fmj1729 Год назад +6

      P38 differential thrust please

    • @clairecelestin8437
      @clairecelestin8437 Год назад +2

      More WWII please!

    • @jameskester7745
      @jameskester7745 Год назад

      Just interested in your opinion if you think this thing would be any kind of match against a A-10?

    • @DChrls
      @DChrls Год назад +1

      GS, since you love making Me262 video's make one with the Me263, Bf109 and Fw190. Then leave the Me262 in the hanger.
      Then you could fly the Bf109 against the Fw190. Then the Fw190 vs. Bf109 and tell us which is easier to get kills with.😃👍

  • @The1980Philip
    @The1980Philip Год назад +812

    GS wasn't shot down by a P38 ... he was shot down by his own hubris.

    • @a64dx86
      @a64dx86 Год назад +66

      just climb away and everything will be fine

    • @M4xPower
      @M4xPower Год назад +90

      The aircraft's best climb speed is near its top speed. Jets gain 'horsepower' as their airspeed increases. Nothing can climb fast with the 262, but steep climbs are a no no. At around 500 km/h and above, the 262 ought to have a climb rate advantage, and that advantage should get higher and higher as the chase becomes faster. The 262 will still have a major percentage of its climb rate above the P-38's top speed, at which the P-38 can't climb at all (while maintaining it speed by definition). I think escaping this situation could have played out like 1. Get out of guns range. 2. Achieve around 600 km/h TAS 3. climb at an attitude gains or maintains airspeed.

    • @LongTran-em6hc
      @LongTran-em6hc Год назад +55

      It's hard not to get hubris in a Me-262, I mean, that thing is like some UFO shit in it's time

    • @mastur_grunt4244
      @mastur_grunt4244 Год назад +30

      Like Icarus flying too close to the sun. His wings literally melting off.

    • @jdbarnes5987
      @jdbarnes5987 Год назад

      When he went back I knew how this video was going to end. And I knew that again a p38 would shoot him down. 😂

  • @Razgriz85
    @Razgriz85 Год назад +506

    So, if the Luftwaffe didn't lose all their veteran pilots, this is how the ME262 would have been used.

    • @emmano6340
      @emmano6340 Год назад +109

      And the luftwaffe vets that did fly the 262 had a pretty good kill rate in it

    • @sbg911
      @sbg911 Год назад +59

      And Hitler didn't ignore people like Galland and demand the plane be used primarily as a bomber...

    • @sbg911
      @sbg911 Год назад +4

      @@LarsAgerbk tks, i will check it out

    • @Baltic_Dude
      @Baltic_Dude Год назад +1

      He's a garbage pilot and talks out of his ass

    • @sbg911
      @sbg911 Год назад +2

      @@norcalsrt1214 appreciate a link to something factual stating its a myth before i accept that.

  • @barbaros99
    @barbaros99 Год назад +105

    The damage modelling in IL-2 is so dang good.

    • @josephstalin5751
      @josephstalin5751 Год назад +6

      I wish we had IL2 on console but Ik it’ll never be imported onto console.

    • @Horendus123
      @Horendus123 Год назад

      @@guinnog2 is it?? I thought it just had the big update??

    • @Horendus123
      @Horendus123 Год назад +2

      @@guinnog2 its great!

    • @dimon5891
      @dimon5891 10 месяцев назад

      it looks more like a random. and mostly, in favour of German planes...

  • @KalvyNoodle
    @KalvyNoodle Год назад +28

    Your sheer joyful bloodlust is what makes this as entertaining as it is

  • @joshallison4857
    @joshallison4857 Год назад +17

    8:26 6 paratroopers may have exited by the time it hit the ground, but I don't think the 6th paratrooper is going to walk away from that... 😬

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +7

      Yaaaa the last guys luck might have run out right at the end there.

  • @GM-fh5jp
    @GM-fh5jp Год назад +38

    One of the biggest problems for the ME262 aside from being bounced in the landing pattern, was sheer weight of numbers fielded by the allies.
    They would dive in and blast some allied aircraft but then be swarmed by a ratio of as high as 15-1 by Mustangs and other air defense fighters while they were trying to engage an enemy.
    Even with its speed it struggled to survive against such heavy opposition flown by very experienced pilots.

    • @dillonpeterson66
      @dillonpeterson66 2 месяца назад +1

      Im sick of this. The 262 struggled to fight anything it and it faced skilled pilots, but instead of praising allied pilot's for their skill, people like you resort to this pathetic hero worship of their murders.

  • @TexasGreed
    @TexasGreed Год назад +244

    Love the WW2 videos just as much as the modern videos really appreciate the mix-up every now and then. Keep kicking ass GS, we see you out here hustlin'.

  • @TemplarDCS
    @TemplarDCS Год назад +113

    imagine you're in WWII and you see a Canadian dude in a German aircraft with a VR headset on

    • @gctzx
      @gctzx Год назад +4

      @@DefinitelyNotEmma yes

    • @gctzx
      @gctzx Год назад +1

      @@Wasattsi why?

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo Год назад +8

      @@Wasattsi Because he is canadian ?

    • @TemplarDCS
      @TemplarDCS Год назад +1

      @@Wasattsi LMFAOOO

    • @rayg.2431
      @rayg.2431 Год назад

      @@Wasattsi Cut GS some slack, at least he will politely shoot you down.
      And to GS, love this WW2 video, keep them coming.

  • @doctorstrangeman7772
    @doctorstrangeman7772 Год назад +308

    I think your next video has got to be a 1v1 dogfight between the p38 and the me262. Only with a twist, both fighters will employ differential thrust. GS make it happen man!

    • @hunterreynolds2188
      @hunterreynolds2188 Год назад +7

      Love it 😂

    • @2bidfilmsguy
      @2bidfilmsguy Год назад +46

      You cant throttle the me262 engines up or down rapidly, you have to go up really slowly otherwise the engines will overheat and catch fire, and go down slowly otherwise you will have a flameout, the throttle also cant go under about 20-30% while in flight otherwise you will flameout, in the 262 you pretty much stay between 80-100% throttle the entire time until landing, normally when I land I take about 30 seconds to go from 90% throttle to 40%

    • @doctorstrangeman7772
      @doctorstrangeman7772 Год назад +16

      @@2bidfilmsguyI will have to take your word about the me262, but the p38 is another story, it performs very well with the differential thrust . Anyway, I think this kan be a very good match up, and I think others would like to see it happen.

    • @richardalldredge9129
      @richardalldredge9129 Год назад

      😂😂😂

    • @JosephArata
      @JosephArata Год назад +3

      @@doctorstrangeman7772 Propeller engines don't have differential thrust, what the hell are you even talking about. Quit meming and go back to class kid. The only propeller driven aircraft that could even remotely be called as having "thrust" were the gas turbine driven propeller cargo planes of the 1950s and the Merlin engine, which they used exhaust ports to provide said "thrust".

  • @Ob1sdarkside
    @Ob1sdarkside Год назад +22

    I like how the Jug's engine was still trying to fly home

  • @8bitCze
    @8bitCze Год назад +19

    That paratrooper bailing animation looks so cool. Wish we had this quality in DCS

  • @havocblast8737
    @havocblast8737 10 месяцев назад +4

    Watched so many of his videos that said never go vertical with someone on your 6. He got complacent since he was in a jet and it shows why that is an important rule.

  • @joshcorvette
    @joshcorvette Год назад +2

    I imagine that the best Luftwaffe pilots had this experience. Takeoff, intercept, shoot-scoot, kill, climb, dive, shoot-scoot, kill, climb, etc. Day after day after day until your luck ran out and you died, or were shot down.

  • @SSJ4Brohan
    @SSJ4Brohan Год назад +20

    Man, the pops from the rounds hitting were sick!
    In the end, everyone rides the lightning 🌩

  • @Boslandschap1
    @Boslandschap1 Год назад +18

    Brutal and a pleasure to watch.
    The 262 is fast but it is a bad climber as far as I know, the P-38 on the other hand is a pretty good climber. Might have been better to extend maybe in a shallow dive and get speed to simply fly away instead of trying to outclimb the P-38.

  • @air-headedaviator1805
    @air-headedaviator1805 Год назад +10

    Best thing about a 262 is the cannons no contest. The speed is nice, but the 4 30mm are essentially a delete button when they hit. Really ahead of the curve in fighter design with providing an overpowered canon for dogfights

  • @Archer89201
    @Archer89201 Год назад +4

    This is what happened IRL to the Luftwaffe, their pilots shot down several planes but there was dozens more and their pilots were grinded down through sheer attrition

  • @nighthawk6755
    @nighthawk6755 Год назад +15

    Episodes in 262 are one of your greatest series continues to do it pure pleasure to watch

  • @andrewb325
    @andrewb325 Год назад +15

    Gorgeous rendering. Anyone else notice how close he was to the end of that runway?

    • @debbiestimac5175
      @debbiestimac5175 Год назад +7

      Yes! He nearly bought the farm so to speak. People don't realize how slow those old turbojets were to make power for take-off. It's why our runways were massively long for the USAF in those early years. The thrust levels were pitiful and you could not just firewall the throttle, you had to ease it in over 30 seconds or so, watching EGTs like a hawk.

  • @Gcatt1
    @Gcatt1 Год назад +5

    I love GS's excitement describing the 262- all of which played out in the game! Thank you for posting this!

  • @bzs187
    @bzs187 Год назад +1

    The fact that the people from transport plane jump after fatal hit, it's kinda a nice touch, a pretty nice one.

  • @marcellusdererste4413
    @marcellusdererste4413 Год назад +5

    dude im on 109 dcs vr learning basics (startup landings etc - and im nailing it tbh) but your ballistics on the 262 with that rudder kill fishing that p40 out of the sky likie a shark reminds me of how beautifull it is what we do and go countless hours through to perfect our skill in

  • @dcolb121
    @dcolb121 Год назад +3

    I saw a ME262 replicant flying from Paine Field in Everett Washington years ago. I was on break at the Boeing plant. It was an amazing sight to see.

  • @NZHardhouser
    @NZHardhouser Год назад +2

    Loving these! Thanks for the IL-2 love - and the WWII content - soaking this up!!

  • @gabemullen8158
    @gabemullen8158 Год назад +40

    hey man just wanted to let u know that i love these videos where its not just the typical dogfights with one plane vs another, I loved the p 38 one

  • @clairecelestin8437
    @clairecelestin8437 Год назад +59

    Great video! Your gunnery has gotten very sharp, which it needs to be to score hits with those closure rates. Make as many of these as you want and I will watch them all.

  • @redbeard3574
    @redbeard3574 Год назад +13

    I don't know if it's available in DCS yet, but it would be cool to see the Me-262 against the Gloster Meteor. From what I've heard, the Meteor was predicted to be a counter to the 262, but they never fought each other (as far as we know).

    • @IrishCarney
      @IrishCarney Год назад +19

      @@DefinitelyNotEmma It wasn't that they feared the 262 so much they were protecting the Meteor from a superior aircraft. They were keeping the Meteor's tech from falling into enemy hands if shot down. So they were forbidden to fly over German-held territory (or even Soviet-held territory, by the way). The British were actually hoping to bait 262s into combat against Meteors -- over Allied-held territory.

  • @Darrylx444
    @Darrylx444 Год назад +6

    Trying to steeply out-climb a P-38 that is already within gun range has killed me so many times I can't even count that high. They can prop hang like a boss.

  • @taylorcarson876
    @taylorcarson876 День назад

    This is one of the most entertaining GS videos I've seen! The speed and power of the 262 is staggering.

  • @MattH-wg7ou
    @MattH-wg7ou Год назад +7

    They have a real Me262 in the NAS Pensacola Aviation Museum and it's so interesting to check it out in detail and see the differences between the German engineering and the US Naval planes of the same era. It is very obviously a different philosophy.
    Thankfully this marvel of engineering came too little too late, if they had it earlier and it had the opportunity to make a bigger impact, the Allies would have been in trouble!

  • @capsbr2100
    @capsbr2100 Год назад +5

    That pilot burning was brutal.

  • @travisdurgeloh9621
    @travisdurgeloh9621 10 месяцев назад

    I love this video…watched it many times. Not only is this one of my favorite ww2 planes, but the running dialogue is just as entertaining as the graphics…”I’m ok. I’m good…oh! That’s a big fire! I gotta go!”

  • @Brextynne
    @Brextynne Год назад +6

    Please more 262 and IL 2 they are my favorites. Excellent work as always 🎉

  • @EdMcStinko
    @EdMcStinko Год назад +2

    This is my favorite GS video. Entertaining from start to finish

  • @scudrunner79
    @scudrunner79 Год назад +11

    That first kill holy shit

  • @HDCairnsAviation
    @HDCairnsAviation 10 месяцев назад

    9:51 is the best part, the way he turns around😂😂

  • @TimVanBuren
    @TimVanBuren Год назад

    That "Ding!" for an angel getting his wings was just... *chef's kiss*

  • @sfctw1
    @sfctw1 Год назад +2

    6:19
    "Yup. That's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation"

  • @stephenschroeder6567
    @stephenschroeder6567 Год назад

    That was hilarious seeing Karma get her payment from you with that flaming engine at the end! Great video and lesson for everyone. Keep up the great work.

  • @thecircusfreak5364
    @thecircusfreak5364 Год назад +2

    I thought this was DCS for a second and about had a heart attack. Make it happen ED, gimme that 262.

  • @davidvaughn7752
    @davidvaughn7752 Год назад

    That was great! Your narration and flight was brilliant!

  • @user-ru5kn4mj5t
    @user-ru5kn4mj5t Год назад +2

    It is very dangerous to maneuver sharply on the Me 262, speed is quickly lost, and then you are an easy target. The correct tactic is to keep speed all the time, speed allows you to be invulnerable and quickly repeat the attack despite the distance, work smoothly, and only at the moment of attack allow you to change your movement dramatically, but do not delay the maneuver, otherwise the loss of speed and you are probably dead.

  • @user-ru5kn4mj5t
    @user-ru5kn4mj5t Год назад +1

    I spent more than 6,000 hours in the Il-2, and my favorite aircraft is the Me 262, then the La-5 fn and La-7, then the Focke Wulf 190 and some Messerschmitt Bf 109 models.

  • @VikingTeddy
    @VikingTeddy Год назад +3

    Holy smoke! I thought you were merging with that first mozzie, but you were actually passing it. That was fast!

  • @wheelwrightpl9429
    @wheelwrightpl9429 Год назад

    awesome reflections in the gauges! this alone brings a lot of realism

  • @rayq1234
    @rayq1234 Год назад

    Loved it!
    I was recently wondering if you could do more multiple aircrafts fight, and here you are!

  • @wolfhound6396
    @wolfhound6396 Год назад

    I just want more Il-2 (because history and world wars are my jam) and I appreciate you making more thank you GS! :)

  • @chroma_aus
    @chroma_aus Год назад

    Very much looking forwards to more Me262 content - loved the first two as well!

  • @PastorRob77
    @PastorRob77 Год назад

    "Oh, that's a big fire. Time to get out." Great ending to a great video. Well done.

  • @Brookspirit
    @Brookspirit Год назад +14

    It would be great to see the ME 262 against the Gloster Meteor.

  • @Dv087
    @Dv087 11 месяцев назад

    I thoroughly enjoyed this please put more of these videos onto RUclips. It's fewer entertainment

  • @jbrenzinator5926
    @jbrenzinator5926 Год назад

    Best part of working a slow Saturday, can watch these videos the millisecond they come out,

  • @charliebailey2359
    @charliebailey2359 Год назад

    And the guy flying the aircraft with two gas driven hair dryers is finally shot down! Great video!

  • @Karza_357
    @Karza_357 Год назад +2

    Il-2 is a great game. I wouldn't mind seeing more of it on the channel.

  • @DiamantisGR
    @DiamantisGR Год назад +5

    So I was like, wait climbing like that is going to make him vulnerable to those 20mm. Oh, there we go.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Год назад

      Correct.

    • @teatime6597
      @teatime6597 Год назад +1

      A slight descent to speed away would have been better right?

  • @thegreenmamba100
    @thegreenmamba100 Год назад

    At this point the video has barely started and I dropped a like. Just know it's always quality stuff :) Love your love of it :)

  • @dimon5891
    @dimon5891 10 дней назад

    British Gloster Meteor was also participating in combat (from Aug.-Sep.1944, if I'm not mistaken), but RAF has strictly forbidden pilots to cross the Channel and dogfight due to secrecy... So their primary objective was intercept of V-1 rockets. Of course, Me-262 was produced in larger amounts than Meteor :)

  • @FishermanJoel
    @FishermanJoel Год назад +2

    Oh man, I want to see a revenge video on the P-38s. I love the 262 videos that thing is a terror. Keep the WW2 content coming I’ve been missing it!!

  • @MrJules2U
    @MrJules2U Год назад

    More of this! Great vid man.

  • @crazykarkarian
    @crazykarkarian Год назад +1

    I am loving these videos. Keep them up please!

  • @bawhamper
    @bawhamper Год назад +3

    Would definitely love to see more Second World War action from the channel. Indeed more First World War as well. Also, it’d be cool if IL-2 introduced the DH Vampire, the P-80 and the Mig-9 for a hypothetical 1946 scenario to go up against the Me-262 etc, just for shits and giggles.

    • @hunormagyar1843
      @hunormagyar1843 Год назад

      You can do some of that in the good ol' very Il-2 1946.
      Prolly not Vampire and Meteor but idk there's def 262s, a YP-80 and a Mig-9 and some other early rocket n jet aircraft.
      You can't do it in this newer Great Battles series tho, so you'll have to suffice with a tad worse graphics... at least you can run it on a literal calculator.

  • @garykleinsteuber4529
    @garykleinsteuber4529 10 месяцев назад

    I remember flying the 262 in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat. It lures you into a false sense of security. You start to feel Invincible.

  • @Aircraft_Films
    @Aircraft_Films Год назад +1

    luv the throwback jet dogfights!

  • @CaptainLawrenceNZ
    @CaptainLawrenceNZ Год назад

    That first mosquito was like confetti 😮 That was an awesome video… omg I want to buy IL2 now

  • @MIKE-313
    @MIKE-313 Год назад

    Great Vids GS...keep up the great work. I liked it!

  • @slickninjadude9165
    @slickninjadude9165 Год назад +9

    idk if IL 2 has these but it would be cool to see you take the ME 262 up against B17 super fortresses with maybe some p-51 escorts? after all that is why the ME 262 was created :P

    • @madigorfkgoogle9349
      @madigorfkgoogle9349 Год назад +5

      Nein nein, nein!!!
      Me-262 ist ein Blitzbomber!!!! Zis is what I wanted for "Entsieg" (Duck-win)!

  • @AlexKowalski-ci6im
    @AlexKowalski-ci6im Месяц назад

    Growling Sidewinder has climaxed several times during this video 😁 ! I really LOVE the Me262 series.

  • @sjpeckham1
    @sjpeckham1 Год назад

    These videos just get more amazing than the last! This is making my loins moist to get back home and use the VR for flights in IL-2

  • @Laerei
    @Laerei 10 месяцев назад +2

    I love how you fly with the fastest plane and check your six as if there would be anyone there. It would be a massive shock if there was. :D

  • @Bossshrew
    @Bossshrew Год назад

    I love the troop carrier had snafu on its nose as it went down 😂

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 Год назад +1

    Hey GS, amazing video, wonderful kills!! I would love to see more of the 262 in videos, maybe do unknown scenarios against you in the 262.

  • @Commandergree143
    @Commandergree143 Год назад

    I love how you include the casualties in the video

  • @fariselsheikh2761
    @fariselsheikh2761 10 месяцев назад

    On 6:19 my guy's canopy went: I'm not having any of this.

  • @khristianasaro1699
    @khristianasaro1699 Год назад +3

    At last another me-262 video. I was thinking about on when your going to do another one.

  • @Paul_Sergeyev
    @Paul_Sergeyev Год назад +6

    Attempt 5!
    Could you please show us ground strafes with different weapon setups from ground perspective? We all know how A10 Brrrt sounds from the ground and looks on target, some even know that for Viper's 20mm, but I really wonder how a 37 mm, 6 x 50 cal., 23 mm MiG-21 and 30 mm MiG-29 long strafes would look and sound on target!
    Also, could you please bring out the flying lol machine I-16 against the F-22?

  • @OurHavenHoney
    @OurHavenHoney Год назад

    Yes!!!! I have been missing these WWII planes and vids.

  • @macgyver186
    @macgyver186 Год назад

    Thanks GS, I really appreciate it!

  • @smellyfella5077
    @smellyfella5077 Год назад +1

    The concentrated firepower of 4 nose-mounted Mk-108 cannons firing Minengeschoß rounds....is just nothing less than a major Can Of Whoop-ass!

  • @darylcav6285
    @darylcav6285 Год назад +5

    Really enjoying the WW2 battles

  • @jamesmacnamara8174
    @jamesmacnamara8174 Год назад

    You can sometimes put out an engine fire in an ME262, if you shut off the engine that is on fire, and point the nose straight down, it extinguishes it, worked a couple times for me.

  • @raleighthomas3079
    @raleighthomas3079 Год назад

    Love the 262 videos! Keep them coming!

  • @hptk01
    @hptk01 Год назад +1

    I have never said OOOF so many times watching a GS video. So brutal.

  • @ivanlam1304
    @ivanlam1304 Год назад

    I think that there is actual camera footage on RUclips showing ME262's attacking American daylight bomber formations. They come straight up from underneath the formation firing a short burst of 30mm cannon, ripping a wing straight off a hapless B17 or B24, perhaps the first time they had seen an aircraft without propellers

  • @kevinloper6551
    @kevinloper6551 Год назад +1

    Awesome video Bud, you got to keep up on the WW2 videos there really enertaning.

  • @SIXSTRING63
    @SIXSTRING63 11 месяцев назад

    The fork tailed devil proved to be just that on this mission. 4 50’s and a 20mm canon made quick work of that ME262.

  • @ChristianPauchet
    @ChristianPauchet Год назад

    06:17 Pilot instantly killed and roasted to perfection. LOL

  • @gunnarbodowiemann7677
    @gunnarbodowiemann7677 Год назад +1

    You coming back to the base, your flight commander yelling: "You just lost a plane worth a fortune. It costs thousands of Reichmarks."

  • @johanalitalo8331
    @johanalitalo8331 Год назад +10

    Hell of a shoot on that mosquito in the beginning.👍 And indeed the schwalbe schreads everything.
    Question: Have you considered trying out the me 410? From what I hear it is an enjoyable plane to fly.

  • @TacoSallust
    @TacoSallust Год назад

    Wonderful video! I have to admit I enjoyed seeing the 262 get its just desserts.

  • @DazzlerHistory
    @DazzlerHistory 9 месяцев назад

    Saw one display this year at RiAT, was surreal.

  • @mattphillips4329
    @mattphillips4329 11 месяцев назад +1

    love seeing how the Me 262 makes him so happy

  • @jep1103
    @jep1103 Год назад

    Great vid plus casualty lists...love it👍

  • @The_Original_Brad_Miller
    @The_Original_Brad_Miller Год назад +2

    I'm surprised the piece you shot off that transport and it hit you in the face didn't leave a mark.... Otto was with you I guess.

  • @huga9705
    @huga9705 Год назад

    Awesome gameplay and I love the realistic first person view

  • @vampirecount3880
    @vampirecount3880 Год назад +1

    LOVE the ME262
    Thanks for the video

  • @AM-vy2pp
    @AM-vy2pp Год назад

    Love your WW2 videos; keep them coming. TNX

  • @lb7144
    @lb7144 Год назад +1

    Say hi to those allied paratroopers you showdown earlier. They have s’mores waiting for you 😂😂😂

  • @JWhitesAZone
    @JWhitesAZone Год назад

    Fantastic video, loved every second.

  • @stanmo4331
    @stanmo4331 9 месяцев назад

    I have to admit seeing that Lightning flash by after taking out the 262 with 20mm and 50 cal fire was kinda fun! :)