Kratos talks about Lysandra, his 1st Wife [ALL Dialogue] | GoW Ragnarok Valhalla DLC [4K 60ᶠᵖˢ ✔]
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2023
- Lyssandra is Kratos´ first wife which he killed in the original God of War - he was tricked into doing so by Ares. This video covers all optional dialogue.
In GoW Valhalla DLC he will talk about his wifes with Mimir. You need to collect 3 of her pendants to get the secret dialogue when you travel to the upper realms of Valhalla.
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Why was Kratos like this this whole video?
I kinda like that Mimir doesn't attempt to say he was wrong or offer advice. He quietly listens. Sometimes that's what people who've suffered loss need.
its a good thing, because he’s curious about it why kratos being like this
like observing
@@joshuagraham2843 smartest men ever live... And also wise... except for tricking Odin
"quietly listens" something that more people need to learn honestly
idk about others but I find most people usually take other peoples' problems as something to be immediately solved on their perspective, saying something unsolicited like "why don't you just X" without first understanding the situation. Personally I do appreciate that some people I know try to trouble themselves by offering "solutions" on problems that have been made difficult in one's situation but tbh I need only them to listen and try to understand.
there’s a theory that odin split his soul and that mimir is odin
Ig its because mimir himself has also done many horrible things for odin and the moment he realized, it was too late for him. Thats why Mimir and kratos are such good brothers because they have mutual understanding and empathy for each other
I like that they addressed that Kratos was already a brutal warmonger long before Ares appeared. Gives an idea of how fucked up the Spartan culture was for people raised in it.
I mean, the addressed this way back in the Greek saga too. Spartans were truly dogs of war.
sparta is literally MILITARY not some clown clown clown or whatever.
Spartans were trained the moment they were born, if someone was birthed with imperfections, they would instantly kill it since it was not fit for war.
Being a brutal warmonger was the way to go back then for him and his people though lol it's like how we praise people like Napoleon etc. but they were all right during their time period. It's just seen in a negative light in peace times
@@Xen0411That's kind of a debate. The biggest problem with Sparta is that we don't have surviving primary sources from the Spartans themselves (due to their antipathy towards record keeping) and the things we know about Sparta are from people who are not Spartan. Moreover, the popular depiction of Sparta is nothing more than Roman-era propaganda (started by Octavian/Augustus) for their own personal agenda... and the descendants of the Spartans actively supported the move to "Disney-fy" its own history...
Lysandra: How much is enough, Kratos?! When will it end?!
Kratos: When the glory of Sparta is known throughout the world.
Lysandra: For the glory of Sparta. You done it for yourself.
That brings back memories
Kratos never forget about what he said to Lysandra. His arrogance and selfishness cost his wife and daughter their lives. You’re right. This is an awesome character development.
Has everyone forgotten who the fates were and what they were in charge of? They're literally in charge of a mortal/God's fate, they technically held more power than any other God in the entire franchise. Kratos literally could not stop a thing before God of war one as they were helping Zeus get rid of Ares, they would've guaranteed Kratos did what he did no matter what up to the point where he kills them.
Yes, that something edgy assholes dont understand when they say the real kratos was better, that makes facepalmed, like motherfucker the real kratos was a loving person with his family, thats why ares destroy his humanity, to be a weapon not a person, but those assholes think that because kratos its not killing everything on his range of vision its somehow bad.@@troyhamilton3218
@@trevorsamuels8392 He could've, but by that point with Zeus destroying his home and being the last Spartan once he reached the Sisters, he was too blinded by rage and revenge to care. The only thing on his mind was killing Zeus.
Crazy to think that calliope and lysandra are still with him throughout the Games just on his skin
More noticeable with the OG skin where the ashes is more white than regular Kratos
Calliope is still living in Elysium Fields. At least Kratos can have some comfort knowing that his sacrifice means that his daughter is still out there.
@@LeonWagg Unless killing Hades and or Zeus destroyed it, I don't think they ever confirmed that or not did they?
@@KruggKruscherp I think she's still out there. The whole point of Kratos sacrificing the chance of being with her is so that she could live there in peace. Maybe the souls in the Elysium were released when the pantheon fell, but I don't think she's dead dead.
@@KruggKruscherpMaybe, maybe not. Greece did eventually get rebuilt and Týr supposedly did visit it by crossing from between realms, but then again Kratos did state that all of the powers that the Gods once held went back into the Earth when he stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus, which could mean every mystical realm in Greece including Hades and even the Elysium Fields went down with him and with the fate of the Gods deeming that so. But I like to think that she’s still there living in peace, I think that’s what Kratos would’ve wanted anyway.
Wild how Kratos went from a raging murderous lunatic to one of the best masculine role models in gaming.
So true 😂
Not really, this side of him always existed and seen bit in older games, it during those game mainly 2-3 kratos is at lowest point and just has snapped and give zero care anymore
@@spinozilla2421 Well can u blame him when u realise Zeus and Athena are involved? and not to mention Deimos and there was no Pandora box corruption escape card at the time .
@spinozilla2421 Ascension, Chains of Olympus, God of War 1, Ghost of Sparta, even 2. Its only 3 where he went off the deep end and even then he wasn't a mindless Berserker all the damn time. The character development is god tier but people need to stop thinking that Kratos was never this insightful and interesting. It's always been there, now it's just at the forefront.
Imagine calling a game character a role model
Lysandra was one of the few people to call Kratos out for his actions, she wasn't afraid of him but was afraid for him and was a strong woman for showing it.
I loved her
Lysandra: How much is enough, Kratos? When will it end?!
Kratos: When the glory of Sparta is known throughout the world!
Lysandra: The glory of Sparta.... You did this for yourself!
Gaia: His desire for conquest has no bound. Would that he desire will ultimately consume him
Not gonna lie bro I loved what you wrote but I laughed when you said I loved her 😭
@@Shaqattack30 lol. You know what I meant😅🤣
@@troyburnexu wanna frick her that’s what u meant
Ofc from one fan to another that made my day lol God bless@@troyburnex
Damn, this Kratos is hitting as hard as the young Kratos but differently. Young one is to hit hard physically, while this one hits hard mentally. Really great character development.
not really, all Kratos suffered from was literal mental torment which was most notable throughout his 10 years of serving the Gods when he just wanted his memory to be wiped so he could forget and he forgotten as part of his redemption even though he never really wanted redemption and it's why he just wanted to be forgotten...
I like how his immense love for Faye doesn't diminish or overshadow his feelings for his first love. In fact a small part of why he loves Faye so much could be because she actually reminds him of his first wife.
I think Faye is the reason Kratos was able to move on actually. She said in the flashback that the first thing they did when they met was fight, no words necessary. Kratos just attacked her, and she defended herself and kicked his ass.
But I do think that she was the one who made him tell her everything, and I think that's why in the first game and even in the second, he keeps hurting everytime he thinks of her: He told her everything. He told he was a god. He told he kiled all gods. He told her why he did it. He told her he killed his previous wife and daughter, he probably told her why his body is chalk white.
And I think that's why it hurts him so badly that she never told him about her identity.
And I also think that's why when he sees the last mural, the one she had hidden herself, in the back of it, where she saw a future where he was loved by others, he almost cried. Because somewhere deep down he understood that she never told him about destiny, because she really wanted to change it. To give him a better future. And so she did.
Lysandra is way better than faye.
@@emiami458 Nah i disagree😅😅
I’m glad that it doesn’t. I’m so glad that the game name dropped Lysandra when Faye was so prominent for 2 games. Shows how significant both wives are to Kratos.
These little tidbits really humanize Kratos so much
He loved a woman, and loved her enough to marry her, and sired a daughter with her whom he also loved. She thought highly of her and she was a good wife to him, but his ambition and close mindedness lead him away from potentially better outcomes because all he could see was rigid pragmatism and slaughter.
Kratos was a young man who never learned to lean onto and trust the advice his partner had for him until she was gone. It's interesting to see that with his second wife, he actually learned to listen, do things in a different way, and start to be a good husband that Lysandra could probably see in him all along
stop equating 'losing humanity' (as well as 'humanize') to losing your positivity to what it means to be 'Human' when that's all propaganda BS to spread the narrative that Humans can just be ever-loving, noble etc. and something that is not deemed that way then gets labelled a 'monster' or 'inhuman' or 'abnormal' to means to differentiate as much as possible because Humans naturally hate or take issues with something that is deemed 'different' to the socially acceptable 'norms'
being a Human is many things, you don't go out labelling Chimpanzees for 'losing their Chimpanzeeness' for being violent and cannibalising one another when that's just a part of what's being a chimpanzee is which goes the same for Humans
Kratos being like this can also be attributed to his brother Deimos being taken right before his eyes and Kratos being powerless to stop the abduction. He loved his brother and losing him so unreasonably made him lean towards this mentality that might makes right and also to eradicate all threats so that none can threaten the ones precious to him again.
@@xorngoh7303last time someone did this
They become the very thing they against because everything must be cynical
It's a shame it took a second wife and son for him to learn
Not just that but here's a tidbit people forget, Calliope was born sickly, in spartan culture she wpuld have been killed
He defied that, he searched for ambrosia to heal his daughter. He loved his family more than words could ever explain
He left his daughter behind in the Fields because he just couldn't let the gods take her again. He regrets this but even that showed how much he loved her. He's not a very talkative person, he doesn't constantly talk about his first wife and daughter but man it too him centuries to love again
I remember in God of War 2 when Kratos accidentally killed his last Spartan warrior, & he allowed himself to be captured by the kraken. He was placed into a dreamlike setting with Sparta burning; his wife walking up to him.
He was so sad when he apologized to her, begging for forgiveness. Kratos may have been a ruthless warrior, but he cared about his family, even at his worst in terms of behavior.
That was Gaia lying to him
@@Moonscentedhunter
I know. It was mainly him being remorseful for killing his wife that I’m referring to.
@@LoneStoneMaalikKratos wasn't really 'begging' for forgiveness... Kratos just said 'will you EVER forgive me' and that's it before it turned out to he Gaia...
@@godzillazfrictionbut isn't that still another way of begging forgiveness?
@@blocksilverplayz4874 not exactly 'begging' but go on...
It's strange to see classic Kratos without his iconic voice.
Agree
In any case, the high pitched raspy voice did him no good. This one is deeper, poignant and more attuned to a Fucking God of War.
@@ordenaxNah the original voice was THE voice for a god of war. Pure anger and lust for combat. This one is tired and matured but it makes sense. Even in this dlc he calls himself a god of hope! I love both voices!
Truth
@@ordenaxthe old voice is the best voice. This one seems like kratos is a little slow mentally, specially when he screams
I can see lysandra and Faye hanging out in heaven with calliope asking an update on how grumbles is doing ..
Well they aren’t in heaven because that’s not part of there mythology
@@Therogueviking95 It would be funny if heaven is the final frontier for kratos, fighting/meeting the archangels, demons and eventually jesus.
@sereese4937 yes I believe in future games archangel like lucifer and Jesus will play a role.
@@thetest8777kratos gonna have a Satan boss fight
@@sereese4937Jesus forgives him of his sins and finally removes the ashes from his skin
"So when I think of her, I can only see my failures."
Damn. That really hits hard the way he said that.
Seems like being a husband hurted Kratos as much as he is being a father. Granted, that always seemed to have greater significance considering Kratos had more scenes or talks regarding his daughter, Caliope. But with Lysandra, his first wife...man. No wonder it's a sour point of bringing up anyone in his family regardless.
Like most young men all he saw was his dream. From childhood all he cared about was being a great Spartan. His ambition clouded his judgment, his wife offered advice counter to the life he wanted to live and so he ignored it. Even still he loved her more than he ever allowed himself to show. His family was his world even if he didn’t realize it until the moment his ambitions allowed him to be tricked into killing them. He was young, hot headed and arrogant and it led him down a path he never wanted. It’s extremely brief but even his own mother feared how far his anger and ambition could carry him, in GOW 3 you can find a note from his mom begging the Gods to forgive him, fearing that his anger would be the death of him.
It's been stated throughout the Greek games that she was the only woman he ever loved in that way. The sex mini games might've been fun for us, but for him, they were always hollow.
That he fell in love with Faye after all that time was an indication that he was eventually beginning to heal.
Also explains why he hardly mentioned Lysandra in the last two games until now. I doubt even Atreus knows much about his other family.
To be fair, she is now on his skin so
@@TerranToro
It’s probably for the best Atreus knows little about them all things considered.
Mimir really is a model friend here. He knows when to pursue a topic when his friend needs advice or affirmation & when his friend isn’t ready to go in depth about his issues and needs time to digest them.
The evolution of Kratos/Mimir relationship is incredible. Kratos confides in him his most deep secrets, and when it's time to scold Artreus he even pulls Mimir head to face Artreus too, that's just to show how much he trust mimir as a friend, as family.
I really hope that if Santa Monica makes a new game, a new one for some reason, with some new things, I hope they give Mimir back his body, and that this is a mission Kratos himself will undertake for his friend. It would be awesome xD
We also have to remember that once Kratos had sworn himself to Olympus, for 10 years he served the Gods suffering the nightmares of Lysandra and Calliope’s deaths by his hands.
The thing is the nightmares never ended; he served the Gods and killed Ares in an attempt to finally rid himself of them, but the Gods only gave him forgiveness and didn’t rid him of the nightmares, saying no one should ever forget the man he was. It literally drove him to suicide, but the Gods continued to keep him alive as the God of War, and those nightmares just continued to torture him.
Not sure if they ever went away, especially in the Nordic timeline now, but I believe he still has nightmares of their deaths.
@@tonybippitykayeit weren't just their deaths, it was countless others including using decapitated heads to be built off as pyramids although it wasn't shown in any of the visions in GoW I, the visions are just supposed to represent every evil deed that Kratos did...
Shame no one on Olympus told him they lacked the power to erase memories, huh? XD
@@tonybippitykaye I think slowly, with time, he was able to move on. To accept it. To learn control. Probably because of Faye, he learned to live with it, to move on, but he never forgave himself. That's clearly, when he says that when he thinks about her the only thing he sees are his failures to her, shows that he will never forgive himself.
But I do think that at some point, just how it is with loss, we learn how to live with it. And he did too.
I mean we all lost someone important in our lives, it hurt as hell in the first years but with time, e learn to move on, even if everytime we remember, it still hurts.
@@godzillazfriction Even if we don’t see that, we get glimpses of other people he slaughtered in battle, so I definitely believe it’s not just them he’s constantly remembering
Calliope is still living in Elysium Fields. At least Kratos can have some comfort knowing that his sacrifice means that his daughter is still out there.
it would be crazy if in next games we will meet her. And think she will be really angry like young kratos
@@user-ob2oh4vw8dOof. This sparks potential for new content and stories.
Assuming she can, or wants to, leave elysium. Because Kratos certainly cannot go there again.
Well Elysium is a haven for the Souls who lived a virtuous life or performer heroic deeds. In some stories Elysium also acts a resting point for souls before they go back to be reincarnated. So there’s a chance we could see her but i highly doubt due to how Kratos is getting closure in Valhalla.
Since you are saying that do you know why his wife isnt there. i sometimes wonder why she is not there
Lysandra walked so Faye could run, and Faye ran so Freya could fly.
That’s sounds very poetic
It does sound poetic but I’d rather see Freya be like a sister/good friend to Kratos rather than another wife or girlfriend.
@@admiralflynn895 I agree
Like a sister you say... well... Aphrodite was technically his great-aunt but it didn't stop him ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Wojtek_Ch Aphrodite was technically his sister-in-law since she was married to his brother, Hephaestus.
I know it's definitely not needed dialogue, but with how much his past and first family are a part of this game, I think it's a borderline shame Kratos never brought up the reason his skin is white to Mimir. Considering the story writing in this DLC, they could have woven that in masterfully.
It's implied that mimir knew of this, what with him exclaiming Kratos as the Ghost of Sparta.
If Freya or any other character who doesn't know it were with Kratos in the journey through Valhalla then sure, the dialogue would serve a purpose.
But reciting it to Mimir and the audience / long time fans is a bit redundant considering that what we got delivered the message and feeling more than poignantly enough.
Its shown that more than just mimir are aware of the actions he’d been guily of. Thor & odin, the norns, everyone, even freya are aware of what he is. In the first game she straight up tells him that she knows enough, its when kratos kills baldur
Who is good mind whould brought that up? Ow I killed my daighter and wife and this white on me are their ashes. Like why the fuck whould Kratos talk about this, this is one of these things that you hide forever, but sadly on Kratos case there is a lot of people that know.
i would be kind of surprised if he didn’t already know tbh
@@S.rosalie.lopez1 But in the second game Freya is shocked when Kratos says he knows what it's like to lose a child and she only then figures out that he had a child before Atreus. So at the very least she doesn't know that part of the story.
It seems that people know the "Ghost of Sparta" but not really who exactly that is. Most likely they only know that he was once wronged by the gods and killed his entire pantheon.
It is a waste that Kratos never met Lysandra during any of his trips to the Underworld.
She didnt fear him, she was afraid for him, of what he was becoming due to his ambition. In a way, she was the wife he needed
I don’t think she was afraid of him, she was afraid *for* her husband.
Kratos is over 200yrs old and only had 2 wives and one kid with each, impressive... more than I can say with people in our world
He did have sex with a bunch of different women during the older games
You would think all thoes times we smashed circle he would of have more kids 💀 you never know tho 😂
Saw from some comments and an interview with the developer, based on what they said kratos is about 1700 years old at this point.
Lysandra and Calliope are still on his skin, but santa monica confirmed that their ashes are gradually fading over time. I think this symbolizes their forgiveness. They are watching how Kratos went from an ambitious, cruel and savage war general, to an even crueler, savage God. To the man he is today. With their ashes becoming less and less noticable, this is their way to forgiveness
In Kratos’s defense, he was following what was drilled into him as a Spartan soldier. Considering their upbringing and culture, acting otherwise invited danger from his allies as much as his foes.
Another nickname for Kratos should be Black Widower, considering his marital history so far.
Or even White widower, yknow why
@@MalosiAudios yes white makes more SENSE
@@shiningfaceofluzon5594 Pale Widower sounds better. Matches with Ghost of Sparta.
The two women who loved Kratos saw the true him, behind all the slaughter and chaos.
I'm surprised the developers did not think to add layers as to the OTHER reason why Kratos decided to lead his army against The Barbarians.
The reason The Barbarians and Kratos of all people came into conflict was because Kratos was after some kind of "medicine" that could cure his daughter's plague.
While The Barbarian King tried to do the same for his father.
Because Kratos got to it first, The Barbarian King wanted revenge on Kratos.
Leading them to clash and thus we got the day where Kratos gave his soul to Ares.
For once, Kratos HAD to disagree with Lysandra. But little did he know, the price that was to come.
For what i had seen, they only reference stuff that we see happening in the games. They don't really get into the side materials of the novels and comic books. Unless i'm forgetting something, every single reference on Ragnarok has over Krato's past focuses on the games.
Kratos "briefly" brought up to Atreus in 2018's GOW that when he came to the shores of Norway, he chose to live as a man.
And the comics describe that precisely within that brief context.
@@davidj.medinag.6524
Barbarian king was revived by Aries after he was killed. Aries used his grief to help him get back at Kratos and defeat him which is why Kratos lost to him in battle.
Never knew that O_O@@Sonic8577
@@davidj.medinag.6524wdym 'side-materials' they're to the fudging lore of the games, stop excusing because you'll probably excuse Santa Monicas poor representation of what happened during Chains of Olympus as the game being 'sidelined' just because it seems like a spinoff to you... SM couldn't even get their own lore right when Kratos himself was saying that Morpheus, The God of Dreams kidnapped Helios despite it being Atlas who kidnapped Helios...
notice how mimir didnt allow kratos to verbalize what he’d done to his wife and daughter, he cut in and finished the statement himself so kratos wouldnt have to relive that. a bro fr.
Hopefully 3rd time is the charm with freya. Kratos literally has a type
If what he said about how Lysandra and Faye being so similar, then I would like to believe Lysandra knew just how much Kratos loved her truly. Soon, Freya as well.
Indeed she is the nightmare that he saw at the end of God of War III the moment before they get killed both her and Calliope heard people dying outside Athena's temple and Lysandra comforted Calliope that "Our husband will protect us" before Kratos killed them
Some argue that Kratos was always this serious and deep, but I feel that in the previous games because the main focus was more about the action than the story (for me at least), we didn’t see it as much, but I love that we can reflect on his story and hear more about the decisions he took, why he made them and his feelings about them now
It's a complicated matter. For one side, the people that said that Kratos was bland/one dimensional on the greek era games (especifically, the console ones) are wrong. But on the other hand, with the way that those games tell his story, i can't really blame then, the original games tried really hard to make you like him, but it never really landed, GoW 3 is especially bad at that. But with the self-reflection that Kratos is forced to expirience after leaving Greece, it does help to enhance his story a lot and his depth is now feels more real, at least for me, that's how i came to see these games from 1 to Ragnarok.
it's funny how both of you guys can be soo wrong even if the 2nd guy acknowledged that Kratos wasn't one-dimensional.. unbelievable
Kratos’s character development/ maturation is incredible
I have never heard her name until now...
Someone needs to play the original games.
I strongly recommend playing the first three games. Play. Not watch. You may like the greek story before scandinavia.
(not "calling you out" or anything but happily and eagerly encouraging you to play some cool as hell games. They are so worth it.)
All the people calling this person out for not hearing Lysandra's name in the first games need to actually replay the old games
in the OG GoW "Lysandra" had no name since it was never mentioned just go check the credits and you will see her name listed as "Wife"
her name is rarely spoken and we only learned it much later on i belive the first time for me at least was in one of the GoW comics
Me neither and I’ve been playing since the PS2
@@Dixie-Normus-True☝️This is what I mean, thank you.
*Mimir asks Kratos about his wife
Kratos: Well you can see her
on my skin.
"When I think of her, I can only see my failures"
Honestly, that's a whole mood right there...
I love the way his voice begins to faulter when he says "my oath to Ares led to". The way Kratos conducts himself around people is so stoic, even when explaining to Freya what he did he kept it matter of fact. So to see in private, with his closest friend that he let himsefl experience the pain of his words and memories was so amazing to see
In many ways Lysandra was a much better wife than Faye *never lied or hid things from him* for once definitely a keeper ...
Well she was also a regular human being with regular problems
@@danielestevao5 it wouldn't have cost Faye much to tell Kratos the truth
And yet her death's is a brutal one and not a peaceful. Faye has secrets because she knows Kratos hatred of gods and wishes to not disturb their happy life together for a brief moment. Lyssandra however, gave everything to Kratos and willing to defy gods if that means to make her husband happy but sadly Ares killed her and Calliope in the most gruesome one which scarred Kratos and their ashes become one with his skin forever.
Faye was a giant. She is not a normal human like Lysandra
@@Force-Multiplier You wouldn't understand.
So before Kratos pledged his loyalty to Ares. He was really a cruel bloodthirsty conqueror by his own choice. His wife Lysandra suggesting him to use other ways like forging alliance and use a more peaceful method of ruling. But Kratos never listened, choosing violence and brutality instead.
This really fits well with Kratos insecurity and self doubt, of whether he should take on his new responsibility as a new general. He's afraid of repeating the same mistake he did in the past. At least after Valhalla, he finally comes into a term with his past mistake. The old selfish and arrogant Kratos is gone, this is the new Kratos wiser and hopeful then ever.
I like how Kratos is finally able to realize what was wrong with him before everything started, when he was just a man with a wife, a daughter and his blades to go to war.
Despite loving old Kratos and prefering that version over the new one, I admit it's great for the character to see past all the violence that led to the end of his family and the start of his eternal suffering. Kratos doesn't feel guilty just for their death, what drove him to seek revenge from his own father, he feels guilty for everything and that means a lot.
There's nothing worse than feeling so guilty for everything you've done in the past, because you'll feel guilty for who you were and try to bury as much as you can of that old self, but all that will do is hide and grow this self-hatred that will come bursting later like a raging beast, making the new you just as bad as the old one, which is the whole problem with God of War.
Kratos keeps trying to forget who he was and pretend he's not the man that killed his own family, as if him being a father now will correct that, but the issue isn't in the past, it's his future, and only he can decide who he'll be now.
I sure hope this means we get to see a Kratos that doesn't shy away from being the god of war again, without the guilt and sorrow.
what gives you the notion of younger Kratos not realising what was wrong with him...
like you do realise that Kratos regretted EVERYTHING that has happened during his 10 year serving for the Gods because of the constant visions/nightmares that he had after getting his memory back at the end of GoW: Ascension in which in GoW I, all Kratos wanted was to forget and be forgotten because that's what Kratos thought it would all be for the better...
@@godzillazfriction
That's exactly what I was talking about, he only regretted being the god of war, but he didn't show regrets towards the time before that period, until now.
All we had was Kratos feeling guilty for what he did for the gods as he was one of them, where all he wanted was to forget what he had done to his own family, but completely ignoring what his relationship with them was like before.
The most we ever see of Kratos interacting with Lysandra and Calliope are in 'God of War: Ascension' and 'God of War: Ghost of Sparta' (which I still consider to be the best story in all of the franchise), but only what Kratos misses, which wasn't all it was.
I say this because, if Kratos truly wants to be a good family father, he needs to know what his past was, understand what went wrong, acknowledge his mistakes and learn to correct himself.
Lyssandra saw more in kratos..
Faye saw more in kratos...
Freya sees more in kratos...
I'm just saiyan...
Also it's interesting that both mimir/kratos have a great understanding of each now....1:55 is a solid example... "I know....later"
Kratos always had the potential to be the god the olympians had failed to become but Zeus actions and Athena machinations prevented him from achieving this.
The original story was just an extremely Metal Greek Tragedy. His ambition and anger were his greatest flaws and it led him down a path he never wanted, that even if his goal is noble the path he paves goes straight through hell
thanks for the video hehe, i had some dialog interrupted by an enemy during the 2nd story
This is truly heartbreaking 💔
Funny how Kratos never referred to faye as "Wife" and he never called his first wife with her name
Yea he did here to explain that to Mimir
He has before. When he and Atreus first meet Durlin in Ragnarok, after Durlin accuses Kratos of killing Faye, he tells him that Faye was his wife
@@Wolf-wc1js Yes to explain him
@@Wolf-wc1js or he refers her as "Mother of Atreus"
All that talking that to move on, Kratos had to reconcile with himself and forgive himself. I guess she should ask people of Greece for forgiveness, as killing each god resulted in bigger and bigger cataclysm.
Granted, they were POS, just like their real mythological counterparts (Greek gods IRL mythology were petty, vengeful, uncaring and ruthless), but once he's finished, nothing remained, and he just went to another mythology, just to become part of it.
One thing remained. Hope.
Except Hestia. She never hurt anyone. She just wanted to sit by a campfire.
In GOW, Kinda hope she was the same and survived after Olympus fell.
Hestia is Bes- oh right, not that one.
I think the franchise needs to take a break from Kratos for a while, but Greece would be a good place to take him if he gets back into the action.
It's only now I found out the first syllable on her name is pronounced as "lai" not "li" lol
It is pronounced li in Greek you can say whatever u want actually
It's meant to be something between "li" and "loo", "lai" is just American accent screwing up everything
Isn't it weird how they make it seem like his first wife and child were just a passing and not really a big deal,I would've loved seeing their ghosts in helheim as kratos memories
Mimir is a friend to talk that Kratos needs all this time
" So when i think of her , i can only see my failures "
This DLC was basically Kratos' therapy session
And a migraine simulator
Kratos...a deeper man than we knew...
is this all post finishing the "main" valhalla storyline?
yes
the dlc is an epilogue with kratos working through his guilts and past thanks to vahlhalla's influence.
heh the DLC also a callback for many who are unsatisfied with the real Tyr since in the post game he just become a chill guy with no evidence of him as God of War.
I wonder why we saw only Calliope in Chains of Olympus and not Lysandra? Food for thought.
Probably because calliope died very young so she was a pure soul while lysadra was maybe in the middle
Only the souls of children and heroes go to the Elysian fields, all the others go to the asphodel fields
@@MariMetal496 So Kratos killed or re-murdered other children or adolescents to regain his power... Man, adds more to the guilt the old Kratos has.
@@pillarmenn1936he threw babies off cliffs
@@FunnyRedemption Don;t remember that one. I assume this is in reference to the Spartans killing off weak children?
bro this is enough to make any diehard and OG god of war fan to cry a river lowkey
Damn that hits hard
Kratos:I regrets killing mortals and gods
Also Kratos:I didn't regret killing my half brother Hercules
Hercules wasnt a god, nor a mortal
he was a demigod
So basically two in one 😂
Santa Monica really did breathe new life into this game
Damn such a feel moment
Mimir is probably my fsvourite character to come out of the new god of war games.
Now that we have more info about his first wife...
What's up with Kratos and "I can fix him" girls?
First Lyssandra, then Faye, and pretty sure Freya trying it too.
Dude's a magnet for these types eh?
God I love Mimir and Kratos.
Faye would be proud of the journey kratos will be on
“I’m sorry my love. Will you ever forgive me?”
If this isn't character development, then I don't know what is
When your therapist is also your bro
Imagine if he had a young Kratos boss fight.
im surprised they havent allowed Kratos to just flat out say that he literally wears his 1st family's ashes on his skin
2:33 his voice, like he's about to cry with that last statement.
Knowing what we know about Spartan women, Lysandra being a believer of non-violent solutions makes an outlier. Spartan women, being the ones who manage the Helots, are morr likely the ones calling gor extreme measures against them...
The people back then were capable of imagining a future without slavery. Magasthenes praised India because he thought India didn't have slavery. Aristotle also foresaw a future without slavery.
But they couldn't eradicate slavery in their times. Jesus couldn't either.
@adorp I know 1920’s America had people who opposed Jim Crow.
Bearded Kratos feels so weird to look at now. It's uncanny in a way
Look at now?
Where were you since 2016?
@@Cruddy129 playing God of War
Mimir is truly that guy
Is there anything new after this? I completed this one about his first wife, wanted to see what’s new but nothing spawned
you have to do it again i think.
@@Eddi3xBac0n I mean items near shrine like flute,neckless, I finished it 2 times after Lysadra’s part,so I guess this was the last one
I can no longer picture Kratos without the beard.
I can relate to Kratos in regards to Lysandra because I was like Lysandra to my ex wife who was like Kratos: I was a good husband despite my faults whereas she wasn't a good wife. My ex didn't want to take my advice let alone listen to me on some things that harmed our marriage & when I was right, she never acknowledged it. She would do childish things on purpose & didn't have a care in the world. When I made a decision to stop being the good husband & stoop to her level, she didn't like it & it also revealed some truths about her, in which she wasn't ready for marriage but I was. After a bitter divorce, she had slandered my character & so forth, but she ended up apologizing to me 2yrs later for not being the good wife that she was supposed to have been
Why hasn’t he talked about this with, Atreus?
"I loved her more than she knew" is code for "I was abusive as hell and only blamed it on Ares later."
You must be the definition of never caring to hear the rest.
He never abuse her he really care for her and Calliope despite their disagreement on Kratos get consume by his ambition that ultimately ended up killed them (being tricked and all)
I think that this is the first time we hear Kratos say his 1st wife's name.
What is the next item you find after pendant?
Pretty impressive marketing strategy in my opinion so that people who only played 2018, and Ragnarok will encourage them to check the OG trilogy
And at the same time some great fan service for all the ogs
You know kratos need to talk about his past more actually talking about what bothers you can actually help you mind more
She was the one who tamed the beast of sparta.
It bothers me so much that he admitted so much to Atreus but not that he manslaughtered (being generous) Atreus’s half sister. Like that’s a big thing to keep to yourself but act like you’ve gotten it all off your chest
Atreus knows his father was a bad person. Atreus doesn’t need to know the gory details.
Is this the first time his wife is named? I didn't play any God of War game in between God of War 3 and God of War(2018). I remember hearing his daughters name in Chains of Olympus on PSP.
I bet all these talks about Kratos’ feelings are making Jaffe roll around in his grave
More please
That's very sad. Kratos was a widower twice
Kratos got some rizz in him
He got it all.
Kratos was already red pilled before red pill even existed lol
Imagine Lysandra and Faye were met tho
I fucking love Kratos and Mimir’s relationship man. Kratos has found a genuine friend and confidant, probably the first one ever, someone he genuinely trusts, respects and cares about and Mimir obviously feels the same about Kratos.
Despite both their flaws, their failures and their loss, Kratos losing his wife and Mimir losing his body, they’ve both come out better together in the end.
They genuinely share a bro connection and it’s heartening to see this as it truly proves Kratos has abandoned the toxic traits of his past.
Kratos: All the things that i did, you need to understand-
Lysandra: If i have to hear one more time that you did this for the family...
Kratos: I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it.
RUclipsrs: *try explaining that Kratos wasn't just a shallow power fantasy character in the previous games*
RUclips: (demonetize)
Game Studio: Fine, we'll do it ourselves...
Kratos is not wrong when he said that enemies can never be turned to friends and often have to be annihilated. You never know when forgiving an enemy will be disastrous because they will use it to betray you
Kratos didn’t say that enemies needed to be forgiven, just that the past doesn’t need to determine the future.
Love the backstory and all that, but I had a random question: How does Mimir know what Kratos picks up? Kratos doesn't tell him what it is and Mimir's facing the wrong way to see it. The animation doesn't show Kratos showing it to Mimir either lol.
Kratos Will probably Go back, maybe he finds then, since the underworld ain't really a think anymore
That thumbnail. I'm just saying, Kratos pulled a baddie in Greece for real.
but to be fair tho i zeus and them started smoke with kratos first
I can relate to it :( she was s good woman I was a bad man
She was a baddie fr
How do you have his old goatee back?
Kratos looks better with a full beard, the goatee was such an early 2000s choice
so angsty and punk anarchist-y