Agreed, the way she also repeats Caliope’s name is haunting as well, you can hear her appreciate the beauty of the name in her voice, but their is also an edge of sadness to her tone as well, as she already knows this story does not have a happy ending.
I agree this is one of my favorite dialogues in the game, though it does bug me that she still doesn't realize or accept that she was the one responsible for Baldr's death. If she didn't put a spell on him he wouldn't have gone insane trying to feel something. Yet Kratos clearly sees that he got his daughter killed because he was mad with rage.
The sound of Freya's shock when Kratos told her about how Ares tricked him into killing Calliope (and his wife) was extremely good, the VAs are phenomenal
I mean, it's not a stretch for Freya to have been able to imagine if she had somehow been tricked into killing Baldur herself. As painful as it was for Freya to lose Baldur, she was at least granted the small mercy of his death not having come at her hands. Kratos....was not so lucky. Though I admit, I would love to see how Freya would have reacted had she been present when Ares tricked Kratos into killing his wife and daughter. I can certainly imagine her flying into a rage and attacking Ares for his cruelty and callousness.
@@paolothorpe1461 Of course she would. She's a mother who loves her own child more than anything. And if there is one thing that any loving mother would be enraged by, it's harming or killing a child, let alone deceiving the child's own father into doing the deed. Freya would probably have seen Ares as little more than a far less cunning but no less callous and cruel version of Odin. And She'd likely have seen Zeus as being just as bad if not *worse* than Odin.
The way Freya immediately switches from cold anger to empathy the moment Kratos mentions Calliope is amazing. It truly feels like she’s fighting against her own nature
Its bizarre that he talks all about his daughter and wifes death and how he destroyed them with his blades. But never brings up that he literally wears their ash on his skin.
I think it's because it is the most messed up part of the story. He was trying to tell Freya he understood her pain and went through a similar thing, not that he suffered more than her or anything.
I wonder if Kratos ever managed to create a positive outlook on the ashes. Something like "they will always be with me, and that's a good thing" instead of "I will never forget my sin"
@@marxist-leninist-protagonist It's kinda hard to create another meaning for them when the person who cursed him literally said "From this night forward, the mark of your terrible deed will be visible to all-" before attaching the ashes to him.
The impactful part of this scene is made best because even in her irritation and fury at everyone she's still got enough of a clear head to realize Kratos' comments were from a similar place. That he had to have had another child. At some point Atraeus had a 'sibling' ((Very distant past half sibling but still)) and they lost them at some point. It's the first of many lightbulbs that tells her kratos is not too far behind her in that feeling.
No, he's far ahead of her in the regard, not only did he kill his first wife and child with his own hands, he finally got past it all and found peace in the new land.
Brilliant story telling as well as voice acting, the fact they added on a time gap between her asking and kratos telling her the story shows him struggling with the painful memory against her right to know he truly understands is amazing
There are several powerful moments in this dialogue. Freya's shock at Knowing with just his response that Kratos Does know that loss. She doesn't for a moment question it. She can hear the pain and fire in his words. Also love how you hear more than a bit of his younger self when Kratos talks of how he took revenge for his family. Amazing voice cast.😊
Yeah There was another I am literally wearing her ashes right now Never asked yourself why i am so white skinned and why they call me “The ghost pf Sparta?”
I’m sure we’ll get to that, we still haven’t had a moment yet of Kratos telling Atreus about his daughter like he did with Freya here Him imagining Atreus saying “he killed his own family!” Tells me he thinks about telling him, and it’ll be it’s own arc in a future game. It makes me think that the skin being their ashes will come around then too, it’s a pretty significant part of his character to just let slide out, I mean it’s flat out his most traumatic experience The series reboot is one of the most successful reboots of any piece of media, so I’m sure more games are on the way (or at least just one) in the next few years
@@nintendojesse and the best part is, I know if Kratos gets his final total redemption and the ashes fall from his skin... We're going to make the dankest memes out of that scene. "When you finally get the N-word pass." etc
Lol. Kratos my man, can you even die to begin with? Your love for your son is so deep, even Helheim can’t take you from life itself if it wanted. She has no idea who she is trying to kill
My guy died 3 times, Critical injuries that Would've destroyed a normal mortal, Committed suicide💀 Idek at this point....But since Kratos is basically there king now Now its Atreus path so lets see what next
Just imagining how Freya would react to hearing about what Persephone threatened to do to Calliope that one time and what Kratos had to sacrifice just to save her soul. Also, I feel like Atreus would definitely try to ask his father about what his sister was like at some point.
There's a very subtle growth of Kratos' character in this. "I did not want to live with killing you, as much as I did not want to die." He's still very much aware of his ability as a god killer. But still cherishes the short friendship he had with Freya. He wants to protect her. Even if that's from herself. She won't forgive him for killing his son, but he won't kill her for saving his.
Children can sometimes help you know who are the good ones. Like in the Last of Us. They knew Joel was good because evil people don’t keep children around. No horrible god would willingly help a child sincerely.
What was Freya even expecting with the whole Baldur thing? Even if for whatever reason they let him kill her, they would only end up killing him afterwards anyway, so it just seemed like a selfish sense of gratification for her own failures which really wouldn't amount to much.
@@Crim-kun he lost his family and burned down greece in his own words. People need to take the time to deal with it. Ik it's a video game and all so none of it is real but losing a child sucks and people need the time to deal with it
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 her grieving aint the point nor does kratos judger her for mourninh her son he jusy corrected her assumption that he doesnt know her pain when he in does. I bring up katara cuz she does the same. Like imagine telling an oprhan they dont knlw what its like to lose a mother
@@Crim-kun How was she supposed to know though? And remember, she's talking to the one who did the killing. She's had a pretty shit life, and unlike Kratos, wasn't a monster in the past. She made one horrible mistake, out of love and fear. Kratos, in comparison, has made countless, many of them pointless cruel.
That would be too much. Remember, their ashes are a mark of shame for him. An extreme example would be people saying to everyone they meet that they have herpes. It's not something people say unprompted
Freya: Why did you refuse to fight me? Kratos: Because every outcome would end in defeat. Not “your defeat” or “my defeat” just defeat. Because who ever won that fight the victor would still lose.😢
i think kratos is going to have a child with freya which will probably the next Main story for Kratos on the next set of Gods wherever that is he had a daughter in Greek and son on Valhala so if it follows the trend im sure a another Child on next set of Pantheon Gods
Nah That will never happen as Freya already said before that she will never truly be able to forgive Kratos so why da f*ck would they have a child? *(Unless you know...Freya is down bad for Kratos's Blade of Olympus)*
Freya: “you think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?” Kratos: “Freya do you know why my skin is so white? Freya: “Huh?” Kratos: “I am wearing my wife and daughter’s ashes on my skin..”
The fact that he did not say Calliopie and Lysandra's ashes were embedded into his skin is a massive misopportunity. After kratos said, "yet the guilt remained" He could've said something like: Kratos "My wife, my daughter, after all these years, i still carry them with me..." Freya "I know the pain, I carry my son with me, in my heart and I always will" Kratos "Yes, I carry them in my heart too" Freya "What do you mean in your heart too?" Kratos "In my blind rage, after I slaughtered my wife and dauther, an oracle from my homland placed a curse on me. She embedded Calliope and Lysandras ashes onto my skin and branded me The Ghost of Sparta" Freya "is that why your skin is---" Kratos "Yes that is why" Freya "I had no idea"
Because it's a mark of shame for him. Remember, he killed them and then abandoned Calliope in Elysium. Sometimes less is more. An extreme example is a person who caught herpes after sleeping around. He/She would just talk about body count in a shameful way but they'd never go "I have herpes btw"
Can kratos even die? I mean when he went through to escape hell being stabbed with the blade of Olympus then stabbing himself with it and also jumping off a montian into a uncontrolled ocean like he would've had to drown atleast once or twice in that before reaching a boat
Bro, first of all. Kratos lost his young child daughter, Baldur was no child. He was 1000 years old when he was killed in battle. Baldur would never change. Meanwhile, kratos was tricked to killing his ACTUAL child who was his sweet little daughter. Freya is pretty dumb ans has little wisdom for a god
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 it's not, OP has a point. The context is, Kratos had to lose Calliope when she was innocent. Baldur is already a piece of shit and would never change. Yes, the love is there but there needs to be punishment for him. It's equivalent to losing a child who grew up to be a serial killer or a drug dealer. You can love the person and still think he deserves death
Don’t forget Calliope is technically a god. So if the developers ever wanted to bring her back, I’m sure they can write something creative since she is part god.
Storytelling is best when there are still secrets kept between characters and this line of dialogue portrays how much growth Kratos have had. Now he no longer talks selfishly or be as self-centered as he used to be. He has thoroughly grown wiser
“You think you could even _begin_ to understand the pain of losing a child?”
“Bitch, I’m wearing one.”
NAHHHHH😭😭😭
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I wish he would have brought that up to
Do you think I’m naturally this colour?
I mean yeah we’re pretty pale up here
@@kopkl1pale yes but looking like I don’t know what lotion is? No
The way Freya says, "There was another" is haunting.
Agreed, the way she also repeats Caliope’s name is haunting as well, you can hear her appreciate the beauty of the name in her voice, but their is also an edge of sadness to her tone as well, as she already knows this story does not have a happy ending.
I agree this is one of my favorite dialogues in the game, though it does bug me that she still doesn't realize or accept that she was the one responsible for Baldr's death. If she didn't put a spell on him he wouldn't have gone insane trying to feel something.
Yet Kratos clearly sees that he got his daughter killed because he was mad with rage.
@@LisaAnn777 Women ☕️
@@Apostle_Fishing lol :)
@@LisaAnn777 She does later in the game after leaving the Norns
I like how freya goes from “you cant fathom my pain” to “shit I cant fathom yours.”
The sound of Freya's shock when Kratos told her about how Ares tricked him into killing Calliope (and his wife) was extremely good, the VAs are phenomenal
I mean, it's not a stretch for Freya to have been able to imagine if she had somehow been tricked into killing Baldur herself. As painful as it was for Freya to lose Baldur, she was at least granted the small mercy of his death not having come at her hands. Kratos....was not so lucky.
Though I admit, I would love to see how Freya would have reacted had she been present when Ares tricked Kratos into killing his wife and daughter. I can certainly imagine her flying into a rage and attacking Ares for his cruelty and callousness.
@@gamester512so shed have been angry when Ares tricked someone else into unaliving their wife and child?
@@paolothorpe1461 Of course she would. She's a mother who loves her own child more than anything. And if there is one thing that any loving mother would be enraged by, it's harming or killing a child, let alone deceiving the child's own father into doing the deed.
Freya would probably have seen Ares as little more than a far less cunning but no less callous and cruel version of Odin. And She'd likely have seen Zeus as being just as bad if not *worse* than Odin.
Imagine her horror if he'd actually revealed why he is pale?
The way Freya immediately switches from cold anger to empathy the moment Kratos mentions Calliope is amazing. It truly feels like she’s fighting against her own nature
"I paid back their blood a thousand times and BURNED Olympus to the ground" yeah pretty much....
😂
It is terrifying how much of an understatement that is
He burnt all of Greece to the ground
Its bizarre that he talks all about his daughter and wifes death and how he destroyed them with his blades. But never brings up that he literally wears their ash on his skin.
I think its just so fucked up and the characters could probably never interact with him the same way
I think it's because it is the most messed up part of the story. He was trying to tell Freya he understood her pain and went through a similar thing, not that he suffered more than her or anything.
it's not like its his choice to be the 'Ghost of Sparta'. he is not proud of looking like that, or being know as that
I wonder if Kratos ever managed to create a positive outlook on the ashes. Something like "they will always be with me, and that's a good thing" instead of "I will never forget my sin"
@@marxist-leninist-protagonist
It's kinda hard to create another meaning for them when the person who cursed him literally said "From this night forward, the mark of your terrible deed will be visible to all-" before attaching the ashes to him.
Kratos has become a philosopher fr
At his point of suffering ? Yes.
well he’s from greece, the homeland of philosopher
Acting a lot like Mike Tyson 😂
@@ViralityCheck005 Greece
@@seanc41556 sorry for my mistake…
I like to imagine Kratos just handing Freya PSP and Chains & Olympus while on the boatto let her see it first hand
XD
i laughed so hard,thank you for that
Whats PSP? Sorry im pretty new to the franchise.
@@ranij519 Playstation Portable, it’s like NDS but look like Switch
@@justnoob8141 ohhh, thought it was some old greek weapon kratos wealded. Thanks dude
The impactful part of this scene is made best because even in her irritation and fury at everyone she's still got enough of a clear head to realize Kratos' comments were from a similar place. That he had to have had another child. At some point Atraeus had a 'sibling' ((Very distant past half sibling but still)) and they lost them at some point.
It's the first of many lightbulbs that tells her kratos is not too far behind her in that feeling.
lightbulbs give off heat, and freya was giving off a lot of heat from her snatch when she looks at kratos
No, he's far ahead of her in the regard, not only did he kill his first wife and child with his own hands, he finally got past it all and found peace in the new land.
Kratos: "Also, forgot to mention, their ashes are forever engraved into my skin, that's why I am so pale"
Freya: "Dude WTF"
Brilliant story telling as well as voice acting, the fact they added on a time gap between her asking and kratos telling her the story shows him struggling with the painful memory against her right to know he truly understands is amazing
I'm so glad to see God of War hadn't forgotten about Calliope... it's very melancholy
There are several powerful moments in this dialogue. Freya's shock at Knowing with just his response that Kratos Does know that loss. She doesn't for a moment question it. She can hear the pain and fire in his words.
Also love how you hear more than a bit of his younger self when Kratos talks of how he took revenge for his family. Amazing voice cast.😊
Yeah
There was another
I am literally wearing her ashes right now
Never asked yourself why i am so white skinned and why they call me
“The ghost pf Sparta?”
Kratos is the game version of mike tyson.
But Mike tyson is still an ass though
@@torchbearer2175 bro what the fuck are you talking about?
That simple "I know"... just is so impactful... And its just two words
Too bad he didn't tell her about their ashes being why his skin is pale white
I’m sure we’ll get to that, we still haven’t had a moment yet of Kratos telling Atreus about his daughter like he did with Freya here
Him imagining Atreus saying “he killed his own family!” Tells me he thinks about telling him, and it’ll be it’s own arc in a future game. It makes me think that the skin being their ashes will come around then too, it’s a pretty significant part of his character to just let slide out, I mean it’s flat out his most traumatic experience
The series reboot is one of the most successful reboots of any piece of media, so I’m sure more games are on the way (or at least just one) in the next few years
@@nintendojesse if it was a reboot it would’ve been from scratch. 2018 and Ragnarök are sequels
@@nintendojesse and the best part is, I know if Kratos gets his final total redemption and the ashes fall from his skin... We're going to make the dankest memes out of that scene. "When you finally get the N-word pass." etc
@@krensharwhite8363 he won't. That sh't is the curse,
Lol. Kratos my man, can you even die to begin with? Your love for your son is so deep, even Helheim can’t take you from life itself if it wanted.
She has no idea who she is trying to kill
My guy died 3 times, Critical injuries that Would've destroyed a normal mortal, Committed suicide💀 Idek at this point....But since Kratos is basically there king now Now its Atreus path so lets see what next
Kratos CAN die, he just feels death hasn't EARNED him, yet
@@ilikethecokev2 Nah. He is going to become the grim reaper in the future
@@Alternative_Alba no that’s what ares wanted him to become so he would never take that opportunity
@@ilikethecokev2 he is cursed to forever remain on earth. he can die but he will come back he will never be able to have his eternal rest.
When she asked if he could understand her pain, I went "Gurl, try him. He killed his own wife and daughter."
Just imagining how Freya would react to hearing about what Persephone threatened to do to Calliope that one time and what Kratos had to sacrifice just to save her soul.
Also, I feel like Atreus would definitely try to ask his father about what his sister was like at some point.
There's a very subtle growth of Kratos' character in this.
"I did not want to live with killing you, as much as I did not want to die."
He's still very much aware of his ability as a god killer. But still cherishes the short friendship he had with Freya. He wants to protect her. Even if that's from herself.
She won't forgive him for killing his son, but he won't kill her for saving his.
I wish this was a whole cut scene revolving around Kratos past incident and his emotional side...
This should've been a cutscene 100%
Honestly this should have been a bigger moment
Children can sometimes help you know who are the good ones. Like in the Last of Us. They knew Joel was good because evil people don’t keep children around. No horrible god would willingly help a child sincerely.
He was tricked into killing her then he was forced to pry her crying body from him forsaking her
"Every outcome would mean defeat" is such a raw line
"I do not wish to live with killing you, more than I wish to die." Had depth to it
Kratos owes freya a son
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“Burned Greece to the ground” actually.
He drowned it techncially lol
"Yet the guilt remained"
Unlike Olympus, Greece still exists.
He burned Olympus. He drowned Greece
What was Freya even expecting with the whole Baldur thing? Even if for whatever reason they let him kill her, they would only end up killing him afterwards anyway, so it just seemed like a selfish sense of gratification for her own failures which really wouldn't amount to much.
Always thinking they know everyone elses pain and past and theirs its the greatest... sounds like katara but glad shw got humbled fast
She lost her child man holy shit
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 so did kratos. Thats the point her pain aint unique
@@Crim-kun he lost his family and burned down greece in his own words. People need to take the time to deal with it. Ik it's a video game and all so none of it is real but losing a child sucks and people need the time to deal with it
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 her grieving aint the point nor does kratos judger her for mourninh her son he jusy corrected her assumption that he doesnt know her pain when he in does. I bring up katara cuz she does the same. Like imagine telling an oprhan they dont knlw what its like to lose a mother
@@Crim-kun How was she supposed to know though? And remember, she's talking to the one who did the killing. She's had a pretty shit life, and unlike Kratos, wasn't a monster in the past. She made one horrible mistake, out of love and fear. Kratos, in comparison, has made countless, many of them pointless cruel.
I think it was a miss that he didn't say, "Their ashes, I wear them." Or something along those lines.
That would be too much. Remember, their ashes are a mark of shame for him.
An extreme example would be people saying to everyone they meet that they have herpes. It's not something people say unprompted
These dialouge parts where so damn good. I was in that forest with them
He's a god of war no more. He could become god of wisdom.
No, God of hope 💙
well hes actually all the gods technically for the greek side but he has no idea how to fix it
How cold is that line about how he didnt want to fight her because he knew he would have to kill her
Kratos: “ wonder why I am called the ghost of Sparta”?
I still find it funny that the real reason he did it was it spare both Freyja and balder the pain of what he went through with his family
Talking about calliope but just *proceeds to press O* to abandon is so messed up asf in QTE 💀
Freya: Why did you refuse to fight me?
Kratos: Because every outcome would end in defeat.
Not “your defeat” or “my defeat” just defeat. Because who ever won that fight the victor would still lose.😢
Her ashes are on his skin Freya
Kratos recently told Mimir about seeing his daughter in Elysium so I wonder if he will ever tell Freya about that day
I named my Guinea pig calliope because of god of war 😂
He didn’t even mention that he has her ash’s stuck to his skin
Am I the only one who actually wished he told Freya he was wearing her ashes?
Yes. It's not the point of the story. People who willingly divulge that sort of info just wants the sympathy card
i think kratos is going to have a child with freya which will probably the next Main story for Kratos on the next set of Gods wherever that is he had a daughter in Greek and son on Valhala so if it follows the trend im sure a another Child on next set of Pantheon Gods
Nah That will never happen as Freya already said before that she will never truly be able to forgive Kratos so why da f*ck would they have a child?
*(Unless you know...Freya is down bad for Kratos's Blade of Olympus)*
@@Super-Saiyan-Blue-Gogeta Kratos redeemed himself in Freya's eyes already.
Kratos should have tell Freya that his wearing his daughter and wife's ashes on him I wonder what would Freya react to that XD
Im half surprised he didn't tell her why he's pale.
It's not a thing people say
Freya: “you think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?”
Kratos: “Freya do you know why my skin is so white?
Freya: “Huh?”
Kratos: “I am wearing my wife and daughter’s ashes on my skin..”
I feel kind of bad for Pandora, on GOW 3 I felt Kratos cared for her as her daughter, but so far he hasn't mentioned her
Oh he mentions her in Alfheim
I wish Freya and mimir with kratos in God of war 6, in Egypt probably
The way this one ended, I really hope they do Greek mythology again. His realization that he can fix things again.
I think Santa Monica studios will start a new series that follows Atreus and adventures outside of norse mythology.
I would love to see one with Egyptian mythology. So many gods they have and traversing the sands and oasis would be dope.
@@holstfly1 they can’t do Greek anymore he already killed all the gods except for Aphrodite
He should fight Slavic mythology next
The fact that he did not say Calliopie and Lysandra's ashes were embedded into his skin is a massive misopportunity. After kratos said, "yet the guilt remained" He could've said something like:
Kratos "My wife, my daughter, after all these years, i still carry them with me..."
Freya "I know the pain, I carry my son with me, in my heart and I always will"
Kratos "Yes, I carry them in my heart too"
Freya "What do you mean in your heart too?"
Kratos "In my blind rage, after I slaughtered my wife and dauther, an oracle from my homland placed a curse on me. She embedded Calliope and Lysandras ashes onto my skin and branded me The Ghost of Sparta"
Freya "is that why your skin is---"
Kratos "Yes that is why"
Freya "I had no idea"
Because it's a mark of shame for him. Remember, he killed them and then abandoned Calliope in Elysium.
Sometimes less is more. An extreme example is a person who caught herpes after sleeping around. He/She would just talk about body count in a shameful way but they'd never go "I have herpes btw"
Can kratos even die? I mean when he went through to escape hell being stabbed with the blade of Olympus then stabbing himself with it and also jumping off a montian into a uncontrolled ocean like he would've had to drown atleast once or twice in that before reaching a boat
Guy has died like 4 times throughout the entire series. It's pretty clear that he's unkillable and immortal
Bro, first of all. Kratos lost his young child daughter, Baldur was no child. He was 1000 years old when he was killed in battle. Baldur would never change. Meanwhile, kratos was tricked to killing his ACTUAL child who was his sweet little daughter. Freya is pretty dumb ans has little wisdom for a god
How would you feel if your child, young or adult, was murdered in front of you?
And how would you, a good, loving parent, feel if your child, young or adult, was murdered by you?
To a parent your child is always your child, whether they're 5 years old or 50, they're still your child, this comment is pretty dumb.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 it's not, OP has a point. The context is, Kratos had to lose Calliope when she was innocent.
Baldur is already a piece of shit and would never change. Yes, the love is there but there needs to be punishment for him. It's equivalent to losing a child who grew up to be a serial killer or a drug dealer. You can love the person and still think he deserves death
Don’t forget Calliope is technically a god. So if the developers ever wanted to bring her back, I’m sure they can write something creative since she is part god.
She's a demigod. 1/4th at best.
Imagine if she learned why his skin is white 😂
I wish he would have told her that’s why his skims so pale he’s skin is stained with the ashes of his wife and child
Storytelling is best when there are still secrets kept between characters and this line of dialogue portrays how much growth Kratos have had.
Now he no longer talks selfishly or be as self-centered as he used to be. He has thoroughly grown wiser