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Is 3D printing going to destroy games workshop? Or is it too early to tell? To test out if there is any truth to the claim Pat & Geoff have a friendly competition to make the most Black Templar looking Black Templar, who will win? Games Workshop or 3rd party bits?
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A little in-joke amongst GW store managers is that the box art costs more to produce than the models inside.
The problem there with them them being shiny is you didn't let them dry out. They have to be dry before you cure or they look like shit like that lol. If they are properly cleaned and fully dry they will be perfect when cured.
So wash them in the washing station, then let them fully dry out (?) How Long ETA?
(great point)
@@margaretwood152
It also depends on the type of product used to clean, the best is 99% IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol)but the more you use it, the more it will get cloudy and tacky and lose efficiency at cleaning.
The best is multiple washes : 1st in cloudy/old IPA to remove most of the resin, then a 2nd in a cleaner IPA and sometimes (if small/detailed bits) a 3rd wash with pure IPA for best cleaning potential. I don't use a wash station but multiple containers with the different levels of IPA.
I’d endorse 99% IPA also
When it comes out this shiny after a cure, you can still do a matte primer.
Big time yeah, if it's proper resin water won't do at all. I used water washable resin at the start and it's pointless. It's more brittle, more expensive and you have to let the water evaporate anyway cause you can't pour it down the drain lol. Might aswell just use standard resin and IPA first and then do a water and Ultrasonic after if it's still stubborn.@@Emberbro
I tried rushing at the start and just gave them a quick wash and put them in the cure and it looks desparate looking lol. Put them in 99% IPA and put the wash and cure on as long as you can ( a good 30 mins usually). After that would them on a mesh rack and let them air out naturally in a warm dark place. I'd do it over night usually maybe an entire day. Wehn they dry out naturally is perfect, IPA is alchohol after all so evaporates way faster than water. I slowed my printing time down a lot to avoid fialed prints so I maybe get a good 2-3 prints a day if I need to and I just leave them on racks over night and next day I will cure the whole lot and do it systematically in batches. It just makes things way easier.@@margaretwood152
Patrick vs Geoff once a month please. Great vid chaps.
I've come close to getting as 3d printer but like Pat said, I don't feel like taking on another hobby. If it was literally press play and print then id be down.
It’s not quite a hobby on its own if you have an adequate machine calibrated correctly with a good workflow. It’s a tool at that point
My experience of 3D printing is that it's really great to have a friend with a 3D printer, but it's basically a hobby in itself. Not for me personally.
Yeah, I can deal with fdm printing terrain and big stuff but resin has a bit too much faff for me to do myself.
Sorry to be annoying but.... you need mask men, you need ventilation you need many things. Resin are nasty, organic volatile components everywhere than can fuck up your lungs.
Take care.... are many videos talking about this. Having a printer in the same room as you are all day is a real danger.
Great balanced and open-minded video. Love it when you guys do these little challenges. Fair play to Pat for taking the plunge into 3D printing and Geoff smashed that kitbash and paintjob. Both a success.
But Geoff gets a bonus winning point for my preferred pronunciation of lieutenant 😁👍
☢☣Just a quick FYI: 4:20 Those 3D RP "FILTERS" only filter out & remove *_The SMELL,_* they do not actually remove the majority of the *_Toxic Fumes_* which are released when printing (you need a Intake/Outtake air system to remove the fumes if you are going to be in the room during printing(s)
(CONFIRM) Check Resin *WARNING P271:* "Only Use Outdoors ~or~ In A *_Well VENTILATED Area."_* 4:20
(This means more than just having a window open: you need a system to remove the Fumes entirely from the room if you are going to be spending any length of time in it.)
Geoff wins! He actually painted something on "The Painting Phase" :D
You're not wrong!
Once you get the process down it’s really not too hard. Once you have the STL’s, slicing them and getting the printer setup takes about 10 mins. Then you have to wait during which time you can be painting/sleeping/working etc.
I use water washable resin to save the extra cost of IPA and have found the resins to still be great.
It’s fantastic for armies that haven’t been shown much love from GW for years. People have sculptured some fantastic proxies. Really enjoying it so far.
How to get Warhammer minis for practically nothing: Step one: buy a $1200 3d printer.
Games Workshop doesn't need to worry. At least not yet. Despite of what a lot of people seem to think, this technology is still WAY off from being ready.
I personally agree - Geoff
Hahaha this is so true. But you can buy a $300 printer that gives the exact same quality as that uniformation one. All other barriers of entry(skill) still stand though! For the side hobby gamer its worth getting into. For the dedicated hyperfocused though, I can't Stop making armies lol.
I recently got a $99 Geeetech Alkaid and it’s been perfect for my use case, I’m finding it quite straight forward so far, currently printing a Bretonnia battalion box! I think lots of people scare monger about needing fancy resin and perfect temperatures, I print mine with some cheap resin off Amazon in a cold ventilated room in the U.K. and it’s been perfectly fine!
You can get one for $200 that's more than good enough. Less than the price of a big GW box.
@@gavinmillar
Yes, I know that there are much cheaper printers. But I went with the setup presented in the video, which according the manufacturer's website is $1200. Cheaper printers probably don't make 3d printing any more accessible either since they are likely more difficult to handle.
Its been a year since I painted my first model. Pat's Iron Warriors painting videos gave me the confidence to start, and now I've got 2 small 40k armies that I'm putting the finishing touches on. Just wanted to say thanks for the inspiration Pat!
That’s so kind of you to get in touch, cheers.
problem is still the crazy toxic materials you gotta deal with with resin printers.
that and layer lines on both plastic and resin printers.
i feel like until plastic catches up to resin, it will put most people off with the toxic goo
"In an effort to keep Games Workshop in business". I love these guys :)
Personally as someone with a printer, that's printed whole armies before. It's a pain to print a whole army. Buying a box of 20 marines for horus heresy, and printing some upgrades is way easier then printing the whole bloody thing. If you assume a 5% - 10% fail rate, it's just more worth while buying the base of stuff and printing the smaller add ons.
I think for me personally by the time Ive spent all the time and money on a decent printer set up with all the learning, space, and general faff that goes with that id rather just blow the money on a GW kit which I can slap together in an hour on my kitchen table, paint to my low standards and chuck in a box ready to be usable at any gaming space.
Serious comment: one device that can print, clean and then cure would be dream state
print->wash them in ISO/water (depends on the Resin)->short drop in hot water to pull of the supports->let it dry firmly->cure it under UV. i highly recommend a wash and cure Station. for normal Minis 4 to 6 Minutes washing and 1 min UV light. bigger Minis max 2 Minutes. the shinyness is Absorbed water
Printing is not cheaper. Good stl cost money. resin, especially good one is costly. iso is costly, fep foliage costs. if you use cheap resin, you will have to buy a flex resin to mix in, or youre minis are brittle like glass. Yeah if you compare it with forgeworld prices...then its a better deal, but normally buyin a pack of intercessors and print some shoulderpads, aquilas and helmets with heraldy is the way to go. Or to print minis in better which are only available in failcast. i would recommend gw to sell stls with a nft timer instead of made to order
I do agree that 3D Printing could be the future, and is ideal for custom parts, conversions or for miniatures/parts that don't exist. I don't agree with stealing IP and printing full miniatures that are currently sold by companies that employ artists and specialists to design and manufacture there minis.
Great Comment! 100% this!
I have a 3D printer and like to print bits for my Ultramarines. I like to “kit bash” and not just use full 3D prints for my SMs. Like you said at a certain point they start to look not like space marines if you overdo it. It is a lot of fun. I really like the personality I can get for my Ultramarines considering how bland the primaris upgrade sprue is (the older kit is better)
that ork boss came out absolutely fantastic
Jeff I hope I'm not the first to say this, but you are a really good video presenter
You are! Thanks so very much, I’m currently really paranoid about it. MrCai you have truly brightened my day.
I think the exposure time was to long and didnt dry before curing. My 2 cents
Speaking of resin printed knightly space marines, people like Diverging Realm make marine armours that look more like futuristic plate armour than marine armour, so that guy might be something to check out.
The designs are, of course, not iconic, but something about the style just makes me happy. It's kinda like what I always wanted space marines to look like.
NEED MORE PAINTING FROM GEOFF
Cheers
If the bodies were more detailed those parts would look better on the model, maybe should have picked a sword brethren model. Using an intercessor then putting super detailed stuff on it just looks out of place lol. Can't really expect it to look better than official if you are doing that, not really a fair test but a fun video.
As others have said, though. Parts look like they got a little over-exposed. They also look shiny, which MIGHT be the resin's finish, but usually that should not be the case after a clean and cure. Shine generally means uncured resin, which is bad. I have printed loads of the GTS parts that you did, and when you dial your printer in, you could have ripped off that plate's print in 2 hours or so, depending on settings.
You're getting more the hang of it by the end of the video, which is good to see. Really screw around with the exposure times, though. You can REALLY knock it down, and the other setting to play with is the time off/lift speed. If you chop that down on time off, and up the lift speed within safe limits, you can make that thing sing and pump out layers at double the speed.
What's being missed here to some degree is... yeah, it took you all day to print a plate of parts. You printed in a fraction of the price enough to outfit a giant chunk of a whole army. So one day of printing for a whole month of minis? Fair trade.
This is the overlooked aspect, I print overnight while i am sleeping or all day while im working.... or both! Then i have a whole squad or two ready to go each day. My son Paints quite a bit so this is kind of a must to keep up with him lol
That Killer Kan has a set of bollocks on the front!.
It does indeed.
Volatile subject lol. The reaction to a whole plate costing less than £5 vs retail prices was honestly why i bought one and atill use it 4 years later. Once you get the process down it opens so many doors auch as digital kit bashing and paint all sorts of types and scales of minis .
I'd feel out of my depth too Patrick! 3D printing seems like a whole hobby in itself.
It is but it's worth it if you want to take your models ot the next level. It's like anything though, if you not done it before then you are going to feel like that.
Patrick, I love that shirt you are wearing in this video. It made me realize Sir Topham Hatt looks exactly like Winston Churchill.
On a side, I'm in the market for a 3D printer.
Thanks for the honesty, this sets a more realistic start to the printing hobby.
The second go through and the full miniatures looked ace. I like the finish of those, especially with that formulation of resin. I don't think I'll be getting a 3D Printer anytime soon but it was a good competition to show what's possible!
Seeing Geoff paint made me miss the old paint and banter days. Great video Champs!
For me 3d-printing is also useful because I have no model store near me, so I have to order all stuff online. With a 3d-printer it's much faster and since I've done it for a while now it doesn't feel like a lot of work, just slice, print, put it in the cleaner and curer. Most work is done by machines. The resins also got so much better over the last few years. The first stuff I had was very toxic, needed to be cleaned with isopropal and was very very brittle. Now I use a slightly more expensive resin that is waterwashable,a bit flexible so my swords don't break if you look at them anymore. (Anycubic ABS-Like V2
We sell loads of the Grey Tide bits but I've never used them myself so it's pretty cool to see them used in this video. I agree that less bits definitely work better
Right I'm sold, I'll take a free printer set up and that guy to walk me through it asap thanks! Oh GW your in trouble now!!
I got an O2 ad voiced by Sean Bean before your vid. Just thought you would like to know.
Patrick's beard allowed Patrick in a video! Fan of both!!!
3d printer goes brrrrr
Just want to say Geoff's paint job is excellent! Great video, guys.
You’re far too kind - Geoff
Bloody interesting as always guys!
I got a printer in Sept 23 and absolutely love it. I've printed whole armies for the Old World at a fraction of the cost.
Hey guys FYI
I started playing this video to listen to while driving, but then turned it off 2 or 3 mins in so I could actually watch it at home instead.
This was good content. Love your podcast but more like this is very welcome
Cheers
🤔[ETA 1-3 Years] IMHO once 3D Resin Printers get to the Technological Stage where they are effectively *_'ALL~IN~ONE'_* (i.e. they are *_Self-leveling, Self-cleaning Self-washing -&- Curing)_* that is when -GW- Warhammer Inc. will be due to start really Panicking* (* If they have not already read the market & implemented steps in their Manufacturing & Sales to counter* the onslaught that will be 3D Resin Printing going mainstream, like E.g. the *Home PC* in the Mid 90's: "Every Home's Got One."
(* because if they don't, they may just go the way of HMV in the 2000's: when they didn't quickly adapt to MP3 Technology.....& iTunes+ basically sunk them ☠)
The difference being a home pc doesn't emit toxic fumes and involve harsh toxic chemicals. So long as that's the case a lot of people won't (nor shouldn't) 3d print.
Just to get ahead of the "man I'd hate to spend $800 on a printer" the printer I use and is generally great is the mars 3 base version. It's $150 and I've been using it for 2 years. Yes there is a learning curve to 3d printing. No it's not that daunting if you just look up some tutorials on supports and make the settings on your machine match the recommended ones for the resin you're using
Also feel like people are going to use this as a rallying cry to say "3d printing bad" even though that's 100% not what you're doing
@@RenMomoDotPog it's like with a lot of things, you can make it as cheap or expensive as you want it to be. To me both printing and manufactured kits (from whatever company) seem to enhance each other in a way.
You can double your kits too soem times, expecially with space marines. I tend to use the official arms and weapons a lot for 3D printed marines now. Good way to save money since things are getting more and more extortionate.@@Niekvw
@@RenMomoDotPogI don't think anyone is, but so many 3D printer stans just conveniently ignore the huge upfront costs that *are* there in order to make an argument that they're avoiding paying 'the GW Tax'...
Honest and balanced review of your thoughts. You love to see it.
It's a very nice printer, and a heated vat is really useful. I can't justify that sort of price, not when you can get an elegoo mars for a fraction of the price
I would love to get into 3d printing, but i have young kids and the health and safety issues with the resin fumes is stopping me from having a go.
Well we have been recasting stuff since the 90s. Right now there are places where 20-30 machines are going non stop.
Mr Pat, where did you get that amazing thomas the tank shirt?? Love it haha!
Did the one with the 3D printed parts ever get painted? Poor guy is naked 😮
Honestly I don't think 3d printing will put a serious dent in GW's revenue. It's just too much of a hassle. I do think GW should be selling stls of upgrade bits. You can't really use them without the base models anyway and that would allow people to have much more customizable armies. There are a ton of imperial guard regiments you'd start to see on the table again with this method, without GW having to invest in those expensive moulds.
IMO the two biggest weaknesses of 3d printing is that 1) it's not viable for small living spaces (like are very common in the UK), and 2) it's not a 'fast' solution. Someone can buy a Combat Patrol and play within a couple of hours. The same models will take day(s) of printing.
3d printing takes days for FDM printers. Resin printers can take a couple of hours (it really depends on the size and the orientation of the models) and they are done after some super glue.
@@spuriusligustinus4509 Beginner Resin 3d printers (aka 150 to 200 USD) will take about 4-6 hours to print off a full plate of space marines. But you're looking at 2-3 plates minimum to print off the entire combat patrol. All of this is assuming 0 time to find STL's and 0 time supporting or dealing with failures. That's where the day(s) to start playing comes from.
Don't forget the pretty hefty upfront cost, and learning how to use it. Once you get into 3d printing, you're pretty deep in the hobby already. @@corbingovers7559
I don't know the stats on the printer or whether it's just practice, but those bits don't look as sharp as ones I've bought from Etsy or Only-Games. Geoff's paint job was great, only question - is full black pauldrons 'a thing'? I'm used to seeing white / off white /tan.
Probably not, I was winging it and thought it looked ok.
Well, you definitely had better luck printing your first resin bits than I've had. I've found the learning curve to be much higher than I'd expected. Good job making something. Enjoyed the video as always.
Lads, I totally skipped/missed this in my feed, get some thumbnail consistancy running, use the font from your podcasts or something. :)
Cheers Squire.
Lovely intro to the 3d printing hobby. Though another part that got a bit lost in the fray: With buying miniatures it's a one and done transaction and you can get to building. With (resin) 3dprinting there are some pretty serious health risks involved if you don't take the necessary precautions with ventilation. The liquid resin itself is also pretty nasty stuff that needs proper disposing and care. All things you don't need to think about when you're buying from GW itself.
Where were the custom dreadnought bits from on the model shown at the beginning of the episode??
They are from the always excellent Archie’s Forge.
@@thepaintingphase excellent! Going to build one for funsies and that will turn it up!
"Templars have interesting stuff!"
Space Wolves: "Have you seen our printable parts lately?"
Damn, I really need to get into 3D printing. Looks super fun. Nice video chaps. ❤
I'd like to start 3d printing, because it is cheap, once you get past the initial £200+ cost and so much can be done. But, the caveats are the learning curve, even with youtubers tutorials, not everyone has a desktop PC, time, cleaning, space, cost of some STLs - it's predictably getting costly for good "professional" STLs, and there's a lot of "junk" out there if you want low cost/free stuff. Those who 3d print and think GW's going to go under because of 3d printing are living in a very myopic bubble.
Undrilled barrels is Heresy.. The Emperor will be furious
Thank you very much for choosing our models for the video, it's truly an honor.
Our pleasure!
Enjoyed the video and now know not to get a 3D printer. I haven’t got the extra spare time to learn how to get it perfect, and would rather just throw some money at GW and know what I’m getting; ripped off, but also quality plastic ready to go without the need to learn another skill. Cheers fellas 👍🏼
Even now as someone who user printers all the time and can dial them in easily.. I’d still rather just buy and paint GW bits than print. Plastic is still much easier to work with.
Hi Pat, having been in the same boat experience wise I've learned that the cleaning is your most imoritant part. Don't be afraid to stick those pieces in the wash for 30min if you want, that uncured resin needs to wash off. The curing is not as important, I let my pieces cure in ambient light on my shelf, I only cure larger models or thick pieces
Airbrush. No paint, just air. Blowing ipa/resin out of details is game changer. He is still missing details on those prints. You can see it in all if the upclose photos in end.
I'm surprised ForgeWorld hasnt abandoned resin casting and moved toward resin printers with a robust resin.
Actually love this, been looking at 3-d printers for a while now
Do Iron Hands next
Good shout.
I use 3d printed bits all the time, whether its backpacks, vehicle accessories or full vehicles and minis. They're a lot cheaper than what i'm willing to pay GW for and they look a lot better in my opinion. Welcome to the printing club Patrick 😁
Whilst I don't think GW have anything to worry about, regarding the plastic mini market....yet! Their finecast leftovers and Forgeworld should be concerned. Their days of charging nearly £2k for a resin warlord titan are coming to an end.
I think the key for stuff like this is ‘less is more’. I’ve been printing for some time now, but part of me feels like I can’t mix it with GW models. I have no problem printing terrain or separate models etc. but I feel like the ‘purist’ in me can’t mix the two completely. I don’t know lol. Having seen how some of these parts fit so well may change my mine. Though I wish someone would make some first born bits. I’m really not a fan of Primaris.
On the printer side by the way. Joining some bottom layers of the supports in a nice way to get more off the build plate easier, but I would recommend against filling the built plate using every single millimetre that’s available. You’ll essentially be printing a solid sheet of resin on the first few layers, and the peel force will be something stupid which could damage the FEP and cause you a few problems. I always leave reasonable gaps here and there between stuff. Though I don’t tend to fill the build plate too much.
Great vid as always lads ! Love this format too.
Great effort by Pat on 3d printing and great paintjob from Geoff !
Thanks 👍
Thanks for this, you confirmed to me that there’s no way I’ll be going through all that faff with the printer unless I think it could become a viable business venture for me 😅
where's Peachy?
how much would all that kit cost?
Those Could still use a longer dry before putting in the cure machine, and make sure youre using 99% IPA or Denatured Alcohol or resin detergent.
But side note, i Printed $2k of DKoK, on my printer right after i bought it, spent $850 on the printer setup and resin for that army lol. Now Have printed huge BT army, Votann army, Nid army, UM army, BA army, Necron army, and 4 other Fantasy armies lol. Each Full Army costs me maybe $100. Best part is the ability to just pick up a new OPR compatable army and try it out. I found myself moved on from the 1:1 GW models now. lots of fun stuff out there.
Why has the Killer Kan got a little ballsack on the front of it?
It’s a nod to truck Nuts, I think.
Don't feel bad about the foam. I went to repair some equipment at an engineering firm. Precision stuff, attached to a laser cutter.
Couldn't place why it wasn't filtering properly, customer complained of an ozone smell.
Opened it up... It had never been set up, cus just bought it and put it to use.
Watching as Pat's first SM is spinning around, i am inclined to agree that less is more, if only because as you say it stops looking like a Marine after a lot has been added. If people want that, all the power to them. But i think when adding to a model, keep it simple such as a single Shoulder pad swap, or an Arm and Helmet. But my preference is to keep the aesthetic of the model but with some characterful change, ot a change in character (that makes sense in my head anyways).
But with the 1 big rule of the hobby, its important to remember. They are your models. If you like it, then go with it.
As someone who owns 2 3d printers and regularly prints minis and buys GW minis they each have their own niche. No, 3d printers are not plug and play but they are not a full on second hobby as some say. Its a pretty low angle hill to climb and you can set yourself up in an afternoon with some RUclips tutorials. Honestly GW just has better sculptors currently. Their sculpts are still the best on the market. If someone has the time and money for the initial investment and you like to play with your mates or local shop and not sanctioned GW tourneys then resin printers are a fabulous investment and totally worth it even if you're still going to buy GW minis.
Edit: spelling.
I'm still vastly new to this hobby but I will say this, even if I could 3D print a mini to a T, I still don't think I would do it.
Heading down to the hobby shop and browsing/chatting with peeps, cutting out the parts, sanding and gluing things together. It's all part of a process that I enjoy most about the hobby!
It’s got it’s plus and minus’s but I side more with you - Geoff
I've given GW an ungodly amount of money and I never really considered 3d printing an entire army until the Old World.
Yeah I'm printing a bunch of totally-not-bretonnians peasants and buying the new models. I hate that Old World is releasing with 20-30 year old sculpts. Like, come on GW.
I have enough trouble painting the miniatures I have without the ability to have 3D printer go BRRRRRT
The plastic GW uses for their sprues cost ~1.50USD per kilo. A steel mold costs about ~6000USD, and an injection machine is about 12,000‐20,000usd. A mold can get about 60,000 sprues.
A box of intercessors weighs about 0.26 kilos for 4 sprues. It costs them about ~0.53usd per spure if they buy a 20,000usd and two 6000usd molds just for boxes of intercessors. This is just the cost of plastic manufacturing. This does not include the cost of marketing, designing the models and packaging, salary of the machine operator, nor the overhead markup.
While a 3d printer will cost you about 250-500usd and has a cost of about 40usd per kilo of resin. It will, in the long run, end up costing you 2.61usd for the equivalent of a sprue to make.
So plastic has a much higher start up cost but can be cheaper in the long run but 3d printing is way easier to get into but in the end costs more.
Now that is said the price of buying a box of intercessors costs about 51usd on amazon, a price of 12.75usd per sprue. So buying from GW is more expensive than 3d printing yourself.
Do what you will with this info. A business has their right to do what they want with their pricing.
Given that Pat appears to be being bitten by the 3d ptint bug. How about in 9 months or so you hold a poll amongst your subscribers or patreons for a subject. Geoff gets to build a kit, Pat gets to print and Peachy has to kit bash to get to the end result. From the decision point you have 1 week to get it built. Geoff has to go to GW or say element or order online. Pat has to locate STLs and print. Peachy has to build from his bits box.
Argh ! Now I want a BT Dreadnought with 2 Swords ! Thumb up for the BT glow up. Men of taste... Men taste. N.B : bought some grots from Mezgike too... Men of taste ^^
Honestly, I think the biggest flaw was going with s Space. Marine as addressed towards the end. They are, by design, one of the most uniform looking lines in the GW range.
I think we're this really takes off is where the breadth of the Galaxy gives more of that grey area to play in: Chaos Marines and all the deviations they can have, Guard Regiments that can be from any world, Chaos Demons and all the madness they can manifest, Orks and their endless hodge podge aeathetic.
3D printing is sort of a hobby in and of itself but I believe it's true value does lie in the infinite potential you will always have once you are up and running.
Though I don't think it will "kill" the likes of GW. You have to remember, it's been 50 years of work to get to the point where "Black Templar" is a such a meaningful concept that we can even attempt to recreate it from third party bits so there will always be a place for that shared world we all play in, maybe GW just might have to settle for a world in which they share how people express themselves within it.
Marines were the worst example for this video, with 9 specific armour marks and official variants- there are huge constraints on what you can do in the marine space and have it read right. GW have turned us all into Rivet counters.
Orks OTOH have a huge wealth of gear styles through the decades and no armour variant need be the same. Jackboots and peaked caps, madmax, greatcoats, overalls, padded armour, steel plates, mechanised armour suits.
Guard also are in the sweet spot here, you can start producing copies very easily or original regiments based on untapped historical military styles, Rhodesians, Maoiris, Tigermen, Greeks, Celts.
Spacenam are an example of GW being blown out of the water by an imitator
People are generally drawn towards the path of least resistance, and buying a plastic kit is quicker and easier for most people. They are happy (or at least willing) to pay a premium, in order to save time and effort. 3D printing is amazing (I've been doing it for almost 3 years) and it can save huge amounts of money. But it is nowhere near the plug in a play situation that printer companies (and a lot of RUclipsrs) make it out to be. So many variables are at play, and can mean spending hours or even days figuring out what the problem is when it doesn't work. Until 3D printing really does become "idiot proof", GW has nothing to fear.
yeah i couldn't even watch the 3d printing part without skipping some of it,guess in wich camp i am :D
Nothing on you guys, great video as usual, but it's just way too much fuss. I spend enough time on my minis from start to finish, really really don't want to do even more work.
Besides, nothing like cracking open a box of shiny stuff!
People tend to under estimate the time you can put into 3d printing. The printing aspect is for the most part is fire and forget, but everything before and after that point can be a really where that hobby aspect comes in.
You can spend tons of time setting up sliced files and like 5-10% of everything you print is likely to fail so unless want to print an exact duplicate over and over with no adjustments because you are confident in Your supports you need to remake a slice with different orientations due to fep wear and all the little things thay can cause print failures.
When washing you people recommended 100% isopropyl alcohol but ive always found the unnecessary and expensive so i use simple green which is 75% and do a "dirty wash" to get the bulk of the garbage off and then do a clean wash with hot water and detergent and just scrubbing the models with a firm toothbrush and let them dry.
The breakdown turns into like:
3-4 hours printing
40 minutes for cleaning
20 minutes for dry
20 for curing
10-20 minutes for setting up an stl
GW pricing has always been pretty rough regardless of era but the wallets too tight to support all their game systems
These miniatures might cost you 20 for an stl set and like pocket change for resin
I can play a whole khorne demons list for maybe 250 all said and done and thats the whole range
found with some HH stuff, and more recently 40k stuff you can do reasonably well with digital assembly and printing in a very small number of parts. e.g. a HH Mk VI marine, with a boarding shield, printed as a single part. including the base, is possible - its also possible to key parts nicely too
saves a huge amount of time on clean up and assembly
Loving this already I loved my Black Templars in 4th edition!! Always loved the models and lore!
I went a bit crazy buying 3d printed alternatives for a few months and after getting frustrated and fed up with the prep/clean/glue process I just had enough - it might be more expensive, but i'll stick to plastic that actually glues together
I am not a fan about these bits that are overladden with details. They end up looking like Christmas trees and not in a good way.
3d printers are great. But they need a lot of space in a room you don’t live in. The fumes and stuff aren’t healthy. And use gloves and respirators when working with resins and cleaning fluids
Pat, if you can't go nuts on the most overblown chapter in the game, when can you? Thought he looked ace!
Thanks, now I need to print off truck nuts for all my killa kans! Welcome to the 3d printing world!
I also assume you guys are wearing N95 or equivalent masks at all times when you are handling resin . . . that facial hair is going to be preventing a full seal there.
At the moment 3D Printing is the future but its also a race to the bottom for artists and creator's as there's just too much piracy and illegal sales going on for anyone to make a proper living.
Those tiny filters aren’t going to do anything. Wouldn’t want any of that stuff inside your home or office. Hardly worth your long term health.
There's such thing as sufficient ventilation for 3d printing with resin. What we were shown here.... just ain't enough
"Fascinating" video chaps 🎩 - hope the all is well in your corner of the world in the new year!
Pandemonium! Cats and Dogs, loving together! It's insane! 😊
Cool video!
For me, 3D printing went out the window the moment I realized I have to use resin. We as a community spend so much time hating on GW resin and pointing out all sorts of problems with it (bendy, brittle, whatnot) but turn a blind eye to 3D printer resin. Maybe I'm being harsh and the materials are different, but I simply refuse to work with something other than plastic. And some parts of the process are toxic? Pass, I'll check it out again when printing with plastic gets perfected.
This is very silly, there are tons of different types of resin all of which are different sorts, the generic stuff is a little brittle but you can get stuff that is more pliable and less prone to shattering accidentally. Ive broken more finecast then i have of generic cheapass anycubic and i didnt have to pay 30 dollars to replace it.